I have a 430 Texans, sid I put the wrong one on?
#protection
mental crag
rapid tide
Texans?
rapid tide
Ye, then you are using the wrong one 😛
mental crag
Hah
sick sentinel
he has 430 texans in his bag
rapid tide
430 is good then 😄
rapid tide
Ah well. Grabbing Lunch. Have a nice one.
sick sentinel
Still havea 425 weapon tho
rapid tide
And gz Mvpg 😄
sick sentinel
Need to get rid of that shit
rapid tide
Still at 439.7, sad me.
But getting another 445 Azerite next ID so that should fix it
😛
mint imp
I usually do 3SB-IP/kite-1SB-LS because i think i lose some time when last stand just after 3rd SB
sick sentinel
even if you do 10s you should have one
mental crag
Or lucky with chests?
mental crag
I was 3k short ir I would have 2
mental crag
Yeah, I didnt know about that quest
exotic spoke
I’ve rolled on 3 445s
exotic spoke
Now I’m saving for a specific chest
exotic spoke
Doing 19a most weeks. 17 week 1
sick sentinel
yeah if you do 10s you should have 1 this week and 1 more tuesday
I need the kraken shoulder
strong forum
444 equipped now 
exotic spoke
Me too Nome! High five
mental crag
I am lucky to put an 11
exotic spoke
I don’t know what o would have with 10s. I also scrapped a 445
I just need some for m+
exotic spoke
Oof
sick sentinel
so instead of 2 weeks for a rng one, it's 8 weeks for a specific one right
strong forum
If you do an 18 every week, yes
exotic spoke
I felt bad for our DK. Trying to farm 10-13s for a 1 hander. I ran with him and couldn’t get them to drop
Run two dungeons without him and I get two weapons
strong forum
Our dk doesn't even do weekly
exotic spoke
Feelsbadman
sick sentinel
unholy dk?
exotic spoke
:rooduck:
strong forum
Ye
exotic spoke
Yeah
sick sentinel
Skill cap btw :4head:
strong forum
Tops dps on 2nd ashvane burn with over 80k dps
exotic spoke
lol
sick sentinel
probably pops off on bubbles lul
mental crag
So ilevel is king for prot? With preference, choose crit + haste of equal ilevel?
strong forum
There's never more than 1 bubble
sick sentinel
basically yes havitetty
strong forum
Ilvl >Haste > all
exotic spoke
Haste + crit yeah
sick sentinel
ilvl > Haste / Crit > all
exotic spoke
Assuming equal Ilvl
mental crag
What about azerite? 430 dark passenger vs 445 shitty trait?
sick sentinel
do you guys try to be at any certain % of vers?
strong forum
Nop
strong forum
I have 8%, had 3% in 8.1
mental crag
wow...
exotic spoke
Personally no
mental crag
So for example, I have 430 Dark Passenger, vs a 445 Denizen
exotic spoke
No you shouldn’t
sick sentinel
Denizen isn't that bad
mental crag
Was for fury...
exotic spoke
Ugh - this is too early. If I die tell nim he’s 
sick sentinel
Denizen is good for survi for raids
I'd wear it if I wasn't worried about surv
and it's ilvl too
if I was*
mental crag
I just wanna tank m+
sick sentinel
Then it's better for that
Bfi kinda drops value but it's not that bad
as a tank in M+
especially in high keys
you want surv
You're at the point where tank dps doesn't matter That much anymore
as other dps nuke shit now
hence why bm monks are on the leaderboards?
exotic spoke
But be careful with what trinkets you choose this week as the normal go to trinkets for survival don’t add much
sick sentinel
Had this ENH shammy in my key do like 55k overall in my waycrest lol
Yes
BM are gods at surv
mental crag
I am trying to get an edict somehow....
week
exotic spoke
sick sentinel
Ravager weeek lmao
mental crag
I have a chains of suffering, but not sure what to do with it
mental crag
😅
exotic spoke
Just Dwarf then off like a boss
sick sentinel
Roll dwarf LMAO
exotic spoke
Dark Iron 😃
sick sentinel
Tell a ret pally to bop you :ez:
exotic spoke
Who has a pallie
exotic spoke
But muh Glimmeradins
mental crag
Is the Urchin + Edict worth it? Or is it overkill? People prefer edict + butchers ?
exotic spoke
This week I’ve been using butchers + vial of animated blood
sick sentinel
what about phial
Depends on what traits you have havitetty
I got a 430 with a socket the other day
double tank trinkets isn't that bad
but kinda pointless in lower keys
mental crag
Is butcher's better than Rezans and phial?
sick sentinel
no
butchers is the same as rezans
very close
and phial is ?
I'd rather use coral
phial of the arcane tempest
no I mean it's questionable
lmao
???
mental crag
haha
I am wondering if I should focus on getting tank trinkets or DPS trinkets this lockout.
I have 430 Font, rezans and vial of blood
mental crag
Aight, do edict and coral
mental crag
I heard some weeks are best to push higher keys when plugging, as they are more likely to be successful due to affixes.
Pugging* omg this phone lol
Is there a go to " easiest affix week"?
sick sentinel
Fort/tyran, bursting/bolstering, quaking/volcanic
probably going to be the easiest
mental crag
Bursting is wiping pugs in +10s 😬
sick sentinel
Bursting is?
Shouldn't have an issue lol
The easiest week ever probably is enraging, quaking and tyran
mental crag
Yeah, this week. Saurids in AD.
sick sentinel
probably the only place it does that
rapid tide
People have the magical ability to perfectly stagger 4=>5=>6 stacks on every single raptor pack.
I don't know how they do it. But it's a skill that takes long to perfect I assume.
mental crag
Haha
That is literally what happens, they complain and leave.
Then the key is dead
Always the DPS
sick sentinel
well kinda depends what the dps is
if it's demo, aff, mage, unholy dk, rogues or any dot/cleave class
it's not like they can control it
barren torrent
👌
rapid tide
tbf, it's raptors.
sick sentinel
Demo isn't a dot class but it'll still deal damage even after they stop casting
brittle owl
every dps has some form of control over how they handle bursting
rapid tide
I mean they kinda just die in 10s max anyways if just 1 person looks at them 😄
sick sentinel
assa rogues are mostly dots
they can't stop that
even prot warriors have dots
lul
rapid tide
I mean then stagger your dots properly.
Dot up 3 and not all.
It's not like the pack requires insane burst.
Just control yourself 😄
brittle owl
on raptors you either blow them up at the same time or burst 3 before killing the others after bursting has reset
rapid tide
Ye.
barren torrent
Yyp
barren torrent
Yup*
rapid tide
100%.
And even if you have dots, just stop earlier.
Stop when they hit 100k.
Not 10.
🤷
brittle owl
and just avoid the dps that find shit excuses like 'i can't control my cleave/pet/asscheeks'
barren torrent
It's funnier to kill one after another with 3 seconds delay 
brittle owl
bcs mf, yes you can
rapid tide
idk.
A lot of people would play better if they just said "ye, I fked that up, sorry" moved on and looked back at it later to learn from it
Over trying to find 200 excuses how they could not prevent that anyways.
:' )
brittle owl
it's easier to find excuses and place the blame on external factors
rather than look to yourself
🤷
barren torrent
"Not my fault just lagged" 
brittle owl
it's mostly a 'people thing'
'i drank a beer and drove perfectly fine every time' type of people
rapid tide
"that always worked up until now"
brittle owl
yup
strong forum
Or like, I planned to get shit faced for raid today but then we killed ashvane in 2 pulls
🙃
rapid tide
Wait.
strong forum
So he's 'only' drunk for orgo
strong forum
I never drink
rapid tide
Good choice tbf.
strong forum
I plan to get shit faced for classic
brittle owl
but wine and beer can be so good D:
rapid tide
I remember an old guild I was in wanted to do a "drunken raid" ever other week.
That was weird.
strong forum
Wine doesn't taste good
brittle owl
yes id does
strong forum
Beer makes me beyond sleepy
brittle owl
strong forum
And hard stuff is beyond disgusting
brittle owl
hard stuff is 99% bootlegged anyway
so is wine now that i think of it
but when you get a hold of the good stuff it's 🤤
brittle owl
it's a cool soda like drink
barren torrent
There is some seriously delicious wine but not everyone likes alcohol
brittle owl
but i prefer actual soda over it tbh
autumn pendant
🍺 🍷
brittle owl
a lot of alcohols can be delicious
issue is
most of the 'refined' shit is actually bootlegged
barren torrent
Ye
rapid tide
At the end of the day I am kinda an idiot anyways so I just drink coke mixed with fruit juice and feel like a gourmet.
Which works.
brittle owl
beer is easy and cheap to produce so the good stuff is somewhat legit
barren torrent
Ahah
brittle owl
each with their own, no accounting for taste
autumn pendant
Beer is legit, drink beer kids
strong forum
Cuz being drunk is fun~ish
barren torrent
At least you're not the angry man yelling at people Nome
strong forum
Haven't been drunk in 6 years so
It's incredibly hard for me
I don't yell at nobody
Unless it's my own people
🙃
brittle owl
it's incredibly easy for anyone if you want to do it tbh
barren torrent
Gut
rapid tide
I yell at people when RLing tbf.
brittle owl
just drink a lot of hard liquor shots
barren torrent
"Get your ass out of fire lovely people!"
rapid tide
Basically.
Leading in a big "pugging" community kinda leads to newer people needing... more guidance than others 🙂
rapid tide
Exactly 😄
brittle owl
is HR a thing for ST dps on short fights? 🤔
spice ferry
Keep seeing it mentioned
barren torrent
Seen some parsing boys using it on logs with enough BfI
rapid tide
Repercussions?
barren torrent
Ye
brittle owl
i don't think "enough BfI" is the metric
rapid tide
Ye, seen some usage on parse logs
rapid tide
Probably when you can push to really short like < 3 min.
brittle owl
or something around that where you would gain less than 2 avatars from AM
barren torrent
AM feels so good to play with but yes on short fight HR should be fine
brittle owl
i see some crazy SB uptime as well
barren torrent
With HR?
brittle owl
ya
barren torrent
Seems legit
plain silo
does Cyclotronic benefit from Avatar +20% ?
exotic spoke
No
brittle owl
91%
barren torrent
No
exotic spoke
It doesn’t k0rt
brittle owl
😂
brittle owl
class dps cd's have stopped affecting trinkets in bfa
plain silo
yes but they often have a different wording
brittle owl
yeah, blizz tooltips 🤷
plain silo
tru
brittle owl
the only things that affect trinkets are flat stat increase cd's
like paladin's seraphim
exotic spoke
Cyclo for the parses boiiiiiiiii
plain silo
just trying to minmax my short lived life offtanking Ashvane bubbles tonight
brittle owl
or to get ashvane wet 💦
oak lintel
hi. for a m+ exclusive protection war, what azerite traits should I seek?
brittle owl
are you soaking bubbles as prot war @plain silo ?
exotic spoke
Wait - who are the other tanks k0ry#t
plain silo
our usual tank is on vacation for a week so yeah
plain silo
prot war DH
brittle owl
DH should do soaks
exotic spoke
@oak lintel BoM times 3 1 dc and pick two
brittle owl
you should be on boss
exotic spoke
DH should soak those. You’re going to fucking melt
brittle owl
^
prot warr is probably the worst soak boi for ashvane
you'll be a legit hindrance
exotic spoke
^^
brittle owl
you can still gear and play hyper offensive as boss tank
since the damage is mostly irrelevant
plain silo
That's what I said, maybe RL will have changed his mind before tonight. I don't think he's that opposed to swapping me to boss considering how shitty prot war is against this type of dmg
exotic spoke
Your RL is a fucking idiot if he doesn’t understand why prot war soaking bubbles is a terrible
brittle owl
i don't actually think it's possible outside of having 2 hpals and 1 rdudu for fast externals
plain silo
He's not I think he just wanted to change as little as possible and see how bad it was before calling a swap
brittle owl
the DH can legit be self sufficient if he plays VoP/gluttony, almost no healer attention required
and you actually gain dps by being smacked by the boss, whereas the DH doesn't
exotic spoke
Double prot warrior for ignoring barnacle bash and boss damage is awesome
brittle owl
so it's optimal from a dps perspective as well to have the DH do soaks
oak lintel
does DC stack? i have 2 items with both dc and bom
oak lintel
ty
exotic spoke
lol
brittle owl
perma demo, 50% triple bone shield charge, 50% grand crusader, etc etc
idk sounds like legion tbh
😂
exotic spoke
Truth
celest nimbus
Yeah, Legion scaling was stupid, but it did make me feel like a God.
fallen frigate
what is the best allianc ace for prot warrior and why?
exotic spoke
Play what you think looks cool. There is little benefit between the races. So find one you enjoy
rapid tide
Unless pushing high keys all are goodm
If you want to make the best out of Race go Nelf or Dwarf.
And no reason to go over the why
exotic spoke
There are benefits from all of the races and they are so minor it really doesn’t matter
rapid tide
It's been explained roughly thousand times all over the internet
Just google.
Arguably Dwarf and Nelf are definitely superior for really high keys.
In other words non-impactful for 99% of players.
exotic spoke
It doesn’t matter - the benefit is so minor it’s negligible
I’ve done high key as human, as dwarf, gnome, space goat, DID - it’s really small
exotic spoke
Sometimes I wish I had space goat heal. Other times gnome EA, or dwarf, or whatever.
It is so minor it doesn’t matter really
rapid tide
Still some pulls are simply not possible with it or much harder 🤷
rapid tide
Feel free to. But I would say a pull based on shadowmeld is impossible without it.
You can find another pull that works just as well, sure.
exotic spoke
What pull are you doing based on shadowmeld?
rapid tide
Basically every meld skip ever. Did you ever play reaping? 🤔
exotic spoke
Anything you do with shadow meld I can do with death skip
Yes And I death skipped those
I died with my spriest while my rogue/ mage + DH and Druid ran past
rapid tide
As I said, you can obviously always find a different way to go about that...
You are saying the same thing I said.
exotic spoke
Except you’re advocating a specific race where it honestly doesn’t matter and goes against the guide written
celest nimbus
Kul is best race for tanks tbh
rapid tide
I am not advocating a specific race, all I am saying is that dwarfs and nelfs do have advantages for certain pulls over other races that in general outweigh benefits provided by other races in very specific scenarios, namely speedrunning high keys.
And I don't see how that is incorrect.
exotic spoke
You specifically said dwarf / nightelf
And it’s incorrect because the racists literally dont matter
They are so incredibly minor that they can be insignificant for most of a fight
Per dungeon there arebmaybe 3-5 pulls this week where i used dwarf instead of kiting. The other times it just didn’t matter and I stayed in. I could have easily kites on those pups
rapid tide
You are still saying the exact same thing I say is the case for the very vast majority of situations.
exotic spoke
I’m saying in all situations
You are saying there is a best for top tier content. This then permeates down the chain
sick sentinel
tauren is the best horde race because it makes you easy to see. thoughts?
celest nimbus
I mean, war stomp is pretty good
exotic spoke
I mean - that’s an untangible that cant be measured Glick but - yeah you right
vast sedge
Bigger claps from bigger foot = bigger dmg @sick sentinel
sick sentinel
highmountain has bigger horns/antlers so the edge goes to them over vanilla tauren
rapid tide
And that's not correct. When 5 seconds count then yes, there is a difference.
I am saying that is not applicable to probably anyone here other than 2-3 people but it's still a thing...
I am happy to disagree with you on that, it's just my opinion 🤷
exotic spoke
Cause size matters amirite
celest nimbus
I mean, dwarf and nelf have situational uses, brush it off is just always good...
exotic spoke
Except the issue is that by saying for the top 1% you’re saying it really matters for everyone.
A large majority of people look to the 1% as to what to do. By pushing that agenda / opinion you are effectively saying they should be X race
It’s one of the reasons everyone went horde - when the racials did matter in pvp
rapid tide
Well no. I am trying to say the exact opposite and I am sorry if it comes around any different. I say that while for very niche cases there might be some advantage it does not matter to you so don't even bother.
regal knoll
exotic spoke
You’re really not man
Regardless of what you think you’re saying - once you say”X for top tier content” it starts to apply to everything
rapid tide
Well then you perceive something different than my intentional message which is a problem of communication in what I said. My apologies.
exotic spoke
Even if you have the best intentions
I mean you’re good - no hard feels and I’m sorry as well.
It’s just everyone’s perception is there reality.
Also, Glick, it’s all about goblin for the rocket jump though
sand egret
smol tank race gets you into tight spots without a shitty camera view
exotic spoke
If the enemy can’t see you they can’t hit you - to counter your Tauren easier to see
rapid tide
At the end of day I will play my Spacegoat calling down lasers of doom. And I will defend it as my best choice to the end of days :^)
exotic spoke
Ohh light forged. I feel bad for you son.
Oh space goat for those healing parses
sand egret
and like, is doing a high key even worth it when you dont look cool doing it?
rapid tide
Not really tbf
celest nimbus
After I get my rep farm done on my human warrior, I'm swapping to kul for brush it off, I still feel like it's underrated.
rapid tide
Well now that's definitely not an option.
mint imp
I would say best tank race regarding def
Ali - Kul Tiran
Horde - HM Tauren
celest nimbus
I like him
exotic spoke
I mean we literally just went over - it doesn’t matter what race you are
sand egret
Alli- Dorf
Horde- Troll (with orb of deception so they become Dorf)
celest nimbus
It does, min maxing is a thing
exotic spoke
sand egret
also true, gotta have the maximum beard
exotic spoke
The benefit is so fucking niche and small that it honestly doesn’t fucking matter
sand egret
hence why Dorfs >
rapid tide
Sparkling. Space. Goats.
It's not that hard...
celest nimbus
It does matter. The vers and self heal, even if it may be minor, is something warriors lack.
mint imp
well guys what truly matters is do you like how you look like? 😄
rapid tide
I certainly don't lack vers ever
exotic spoke
Vers is garbage and self heal is so minor it’s laughable
celest nimbus
No, I meant the self healing
celest nimbus
Nope, it's an extra 1% damage.
exotic spoke
That’s what she said? (I hope not blade)
celest nimbus
That's a bigger deal than you'd think.
exotic spoke
It really isn’t but ok
sand egret
its how you use it
warm plinth
It’s a bigger deal to you, clearly.
sand egret
😁
exotic spoke
Also; while I don’t advocate taking someone’s word without understanding why - read the icy veins guide. This question is answered
sand egret
its not the size of the race that matters, its if you can push the button
exotic spoke
Not sure? Did we?
exotic spoke
Fuck wowhead
rapid tide
Someone drew the conclusion from it that Crit is a terrible stat for Prot.
celest nimbus
Icy veins literally put crit as the bottom stat for prot
exotic spoke
You have to understand icy veins is written from a defensive point of view
rapid tide
They also probably explicitely state that this is purely for defensive value in a raid environment.
Where yes, Crit is probably the weakest defensive gain per stat point.
regal knoll
before playing again I checked a youtube guide on prot 8.2 from Wow at nights, seemed fairly good.
exotic spoke
Icy veins is better than the wowhead guide
warm plinth
They do. They also say that despite it being lowest in priority, it’s not a bad stat.
celest nimbus
Both are garbage tbh
rapid tide
From my experience 95% of YT guides are kinda garbage.
But that might just be my experience being bad.
warm plinth
But the mentality of a lot of players these days is that not the best = shit
exotic spoke
Also, icy veins was written by Marok - who runs Skyhold.
rapid tide
The Icy-Veins guide is not bad.
celest nimbus
Saying that kid is the smartest kid in the retard class isn't saying much, ya feel? (Talking about the guides)
rapid tide
It's people drawing wrong conclusions from it that is.
regal knoll
exotic spoke
But, bottom line, racials don’t fucking matter. They are sooooo minor it doesn’t make a difference
If they do it’s because you made a plan around that specific one and you could have done it differently with minor changes based on raid
warm plinth
There’s nothing wrong with the Icy-Veins guide. It’s just written for a specific purpose and people need to understand that.
rapid tide
The guide is good really.
People just need to actually read it.
Instead of skipping over and making weird conclusions about things that are either explicitely stated or never mentioned at all.
celest nimbus
That "minor difference" is still a difference and that's been my point dude.
exotic spoke
Except - the minor difference is also what they have and you don’t
rapid tide
Now that I am at pc I can actually say something regarding minor difference for racials.
exotic spoke
It won’t impact your ability to do content
rapid tide
Because yes, Minor Difference is the correct wording.
It's a difference. Every racial will shine in a different situation.
exotic spoke
They are so niche and minor they don’t matter in the big picture
rapid tide
Ye.
mint imp
well look at bloodmallet
rapid tide
It's about working around the minor differences that makes it not matter.
While yes, you will take a bit less damage on Kul'Tiran
mint imp
there are some differencies between races, not all are same reg. dps
rapid tide
You will do a bit more damage on Lightforged instead on a big pull.
Equals out to mitigating the same amount of damage.
The differences are really unimportant when you work with them.
rapid tide
Shadowmeld and Dwarf Racial are good for MDI. Why? Because they base their pulls around them.
Simple as that imho.
celest nimbus
I did think about swapping to dwarf for nec ngl
rapid tide
The YT guide that whoever linked earlier btw is okay imho.
celest nimbus
And just change back after the week was over
exotic spoke
Waste of gold / money
rapid tide
That is indeed a massive waste.
celest nimbus
Eh, min maxing is worth it.
rapid tide
No.
sick sentinel
it's not a waste if you have fun 
rapid tide
I don't see it being worth it.
zenith thistle
Dorf master race
zenith thistle
Just because I'm one
exotic spoke
Like, seriously, necrotic isn’t that bad
rapid tide
Would I want to be a dwarf this id? Yes.
If it was free I'd change probably.
Idk, it would still feel good 😄
celest nimbus
It's not no, but it's a dps loss to run away :)
warm plinth
I'm pretty sure that guide is essentially the wowhead guide
Just in video form
It's even made by the same guy
celest nimbus
The guide that says kul is the best race?
rapid tide
Take someone new to the spec, give them the video and it's good.
exotic spoke
They aren’t but whatever
rapid tide
At the end I think what is important is that one can agree Thunder Clap is the best skill.
regal knoll
Race I just choose based on what looks coolest
warm plinth
This video lost me as soon as it recommended Indomitable for new players
regal knoll
I watched that vid a few times, since I handn't played prot for a while. But I never just read/watch one guide
rapid tide
Didn't it say "you could pick indom but it's a bad idea and better learn it properly off the bat"?
Wasn't paying all too much attention.
warm plinth
He says he doesn't recommend it, right after recommending it
weary thorn
60% of the time, its recommended every time
warm plinth
Traits-wise, he says that other than Bastion and DC, the rest of our traits aren't very good. The only one he even mentions besides those two is CR lol. And then doesn't even mention Overwhelming Power or UF for the middle ring, despite pushing damage most of the guide.
regal knoll
That Bull Rush btw, is quite handy in M+
warm plinth
Oh lord. In one of the comments when a guy asks about Brace, he says "Brace for Impact is not a particularly good or popular trait in raiding, and it's worse in Mythic+. Its only real value is as a purely defensive option for a desperately undergeared tank in raids." 😬
gaunt dawn
I wouldnt use video guides
sick sentinel
LMAO
gaunt dawn
Out of date as soon as its published
sick sentinel
video guides are always bad
gaunt dawn
Too much work to maintain
sick sentinel
For every class ever
gaunt dawn
Takes an absurd amount of time to create
gaunt dawn
Good as a starting point for learning but always use multiple sources of info
Hi friend xo
sick sentinel
making video guides is only viable if that's your full time job
gaunt dawn
Idk
warm plinth
Yeah, someone just mentioned it so I was going through it. It's the same dude who did the wowhead guide so
gaunt dawn
Hes easy to contact
@candid path
That easy
🙂
Idk what time it is for him though 👀
warm plinth
I wasn't trying to say anything to him. I was just going over a guide someone said was good and explaining why it wasn't accurate.
candid path
Yeah, you didn't want me showing up to notice!
Indeed, the problem with a video guide is that what was totally accurate two months or even just a couple of weeks ago might have changed by now. Re: Brace for Impact and its goodness.
exotic spoke
Truth - because things change and you can’t easily update that medium
Even if you’re 100% accurate at launch it’s quickly out of date
gaunt dawn
some people only use video guides so its good for them to use, but they should ideally use ones which are up to date, or at the very least check up in the video description/pinned comments for updates
candid path
I mean, Brace was not popular as recently as two weeks ago.
gaunt dawn
most guides i see also recommend extended reading
candid path
Obviously it was as good as it is now, it's not like anything has been changed except community perception.
And item levels.
exotic spoke
Brace, in my opinion, is amazing early in a tier - especially before you get a new shield.
I tend to run 1 of them if I’m not going for stupid parses.
candid path
I say if you're playing Warrior and not going for stupid parses you're a damn fool!
Monk's right there.
But obviously there have been fights where Shield Block and Spell Reflect are great defensive tools, better than Stagger and all, so whatever.
exotic spoke
I mean I go for parses - but I tend to not onnprogession - barring ashvane
vivid silo
Hi guys. I primarily do 5 man content but have stepped into raiding and enjoying it a lot. I'm trying out my warrior, soon be geared for heroic raids. Do you basically keep shield block on cc or is it best to make sure it's available for set moments?
Cd*
eternal plover
With bolster talented and roughly 20% haste you should be able to maintain close to 100% uptime. At least for the period you are tanking the boss
candid path
As a general rule when there is a boss ability that requires you to have an active mitigation down, such as Yazma's strike, you'll want to time Shield Block around that.
Those are increasingly rare, and just keep it up while tanking works 95% of the time.
exotic spoke
^^
warm plinth
Frankly I didn't even know you were in this Discord, and I have no issue with you noticing my criticism.
vivid silo
Thanks guys, very helpful. Going to master this spec but need some practice.
candid path
I hear that's what makes perfect!
vivid silo
Fingers crossed! Coming from a druid tank so there's a lot more buttons to press and a lot more to consider lol
warm plinth
With more buttons comes more fun though!
sand egret
mmhmmmm
warm plinth
Sorry Blade. How's Guardian?
sand egret
swimming it buttons!
warm plinth
Like the APM comparison?
sand egret
(armor cap is ~4 stacks btw)
warm plinth
Or jsut difference in ability count?
sand egret
hmm kinda both
warm plinth
Yeah I know, just being facetious.
sand egret
since honestly both feel gcd locked anyway, i'm more curious about the hierarchy
warm plinth
Yeah they should both be GCD locked. Warrior just might have more different buttons that are more frequently used than Guardian
sand egret
honestly, it really comes down to IP + SB vs IF
exotic spoke
But more IPs off GCD
warm plinth
Well as a druid, your DPS rotation is what, Moonfire, Mangle, Thrash, Swipe, and ...guessing Maul is still not often used?
Not rotation, but DPS list
sand egret
uh depends on the targets but generally it's a 3 > 2 button rotation
maul is the greed play
(in ST)
warm plinth
That's like the I don't give a shit how much damage I'm taking, I just want more ST deeps
sand egret
but no different that revenge usage
warm plinth
Right
sand egret
now than I think about it, IP prob makes it slightly more
exotic spoke
I mean - it sounds like a healing problem
sand egret
but objectively both specs don't feel too different after playing both
exotic spoke
How can I pump / get parses if I’m worried about defensives
sand egret
in terms of "buttons to press"
warm plinth
Well, how I was thinking of it is that warrior has variability in its presses, whereas guardian is pretty static
I think that's what makes it more fun to me
sand egret
well, the avatar rotation is as simple as it comes 😃
warm plinth
Right but you don't have the Avatar rotation 100% of the time is what I'm saying. It's not a complexity thing, it's a variability thing.
Because I have the awesome spammy part of Avatar, and then outside of Avatar, it changes
sand egret
even out of it TClap goes to what every 3rd gcd?
warm plinth
The other thing that helps make warrior more fun to me is that the abilities are just more fun to look at/cast
sand egret
yeah that's essentially the aoe combo currently (thrash > 3x Swipe)
warm plinth
I mean I can either bash people with my shield, make lightning come out of the ground, or I can...swipe my paw in front of me
warm plinth
For sure. I do enjoy harambear though
I think they missed an opportunity with that to make some truly awesome animations
exotic spoke
And you can’t even see your sick mog- so what’s even the point
exotic spoke
You can’t even see it while in bear form - or kitty, or boomie, or tree
What’s the point
warm plinth
Tree 🤔
sand egret
my mog IS mah form son!
(but also it's super fun with toys since it just looks like you're beating shit with your fists)
exotic spoke
Temporarily tree
You look just like every other Druid - probably have the tower item and if not you’re just an old fashioned bear
Where’s your dreadnaught!?!
sand egret
I've got skymirror
warm plinth
Yeah I do think that druid suffers from a bit of homogenization within the class
exotic spoke
No dreadnaught no good
warm plinth
Imagine having to use toys to like how your character looks
exotic spoke
Lol that would be fun.
warm plinth
That being said, Dark Iron Boot Flask is pretty awesome
sand egret
i usually copy a DH's meta form/ghost wolf
exotic spoke
I have that! But it’s from uldir right? I also like the one that turns me into a Wolvar
warm plinth
Rofl you tank as a ghost wolf? XD
sand egret
if im lucky and have another druid i copy their tree form
yeah sky mirror is the shit dude
exotic spoke
We had a group of ghost wolves - that was fun
sand egret
if you don't have it, get it
exotic spoke
Reflecting prism FTW
sand egret
that's JC only right?
warm plinth
The Iron Boot Flask is from a vendor in Storm Peaks
You buy it with the relics of Ulduar
sand egret
yeah iron boot is from ulduar
exotic spoke
Nah, you can make them for others. It’s how I got it.
Unfortunately, regarding cosmetics, I’ve had to tell people on certain fights to not use certain ones - see world enlarger / things that shrink you and mekkatorque
warm plinth
I wonder if we'll see a revamp of guardian/feral animations at some point. I think there's a lot of potential there.
exotic spoke
If you got the mage tower weapon you got a new bear form
warm plinth
Yeah, I have all the tank ones. But I'm not talking about new forms; I'm talking about the animations of the forms.
And frankly while the mage tower appearance looks amazing, the animations on it are pretty shit
sand egret
don't get me started....there IS an animation they don't use / you can proc by bugging it out and it looks greaaaaat.
it's a 2-handed fist slam
warm plinth
On the mage tower one? Or any bear?
sand egret
mage tower one
warm plinth
A 2-handed fist slam is actually something I fully expected from that form
I mean its fucking arms are 80% of the model
sand egret
¯_(ツ)_/¯
more classes need the Rampage treatment, but so far with the improvements to stuff like instant spells, and "big" spells, I have hope
warm plinth
Bladesong, Bastion of Hope. Has a nice ring to it
sand egret
please, that's my father's name
wild atlas
What is your mothers name tho
brisk ferry
Bladesong, Hope Incarnate
warm plinth
Bladesong, Hope He Doesn't Disappoint Us
brisk ferry
Hopesong
sand egret
that's mah priest
brisk ferry
nice
wild atlas
If this is a theme, we need to know the other classes lol
sand egret
all of my names follow that convention...sans....my druid lol
warm plinth
lolol
sand egret
Felsong was my DH
wild atlas
Stabsong?
sand egret
Stormsong is my shaman
warm plinth
Stabbysong would be better imo
brisk ferry
yeh that's a good one tbh
sand egret
which got awkward this expac
wild atlas
Lol you can now argue that Blizz copied YOU
sand egret
yeah I couldn't find a good one for my druid / Butak Jenkins has such a good ring to it
brisk ferry
mine are all "Bro" something
warm plinth
Brostrodamus being one of them I hope
brisk ferry
Brostrodamus, Brostruction, Brosvidaniya, Brosferatuu
warm plinth
Lol, nice
wild atlas
ohhh no so is a guildie of mine lol
brisk ferry
there are more but I havent touched any other characters in ages lol
wild atlas
Brocerotops, Broseidon, Brobocop
brisk ferry
nice!
warm plinth
I put a lot of thought into most of my names. It took me two days to come up with my warrior's name, and then like a year later someone pointed out that it's Hearthstone reversed and I never noticed 😬
brisk ferry
hahaha that's great
warm plinth
So now I'm just a poser
brisk ferry
I also have Orangejoe and Saintajames cause I love Futurama
tell them you made your warrior before HS was a game
warm plinth
When I started rolling horde toons, I named them all disrespectful versions of their class because I don't really like horde but that's where my M+ group is lol
They'd never believe me anyway XD
brisk ferry
that's fantastic lol
warm plinth
Never thought I'd actually play horde toons that much but now my DH (Demunhuntr) is like 436 ilevel lol
brisk ferry
nice nice
I strictly play Horde, only ever had a warlock on alli, and his name is Garbo for a reason
warm plinth
I've kinda gone back and forth over the years. Every expansion or two I swap for no particular reason
exotic spoke
Riki, deadriki, demonriki, riiki (my druid), kungfuriki
Haven’t really played any of the Alf’s though
warm plinth
What ilevel is your gobby now?
exotic spoke
Oh Probablyriki is still 110
Exhausted most days I get home and everyone wants to run keys. So if I log in I get bombarded with requests. If I don’t I play something else
exotic spoke
I had people ask mid runs with my push group last night after I told them I can’t do it sunday night.
warm plinth
Nimchip does that to me too; I think he doesn't actually want to run with me so he asks me when I'm already doing keys
😂
exotic spoke
Like - I said any day this weekend except Sunday.
If you don’t get a key in and you only ask me on Sunday that’s a you problem
exotic spoke
I don’t mind helping out - but I follow one simple guideline when I ask for help and I expect the same:
If you help me I expect it to be convenient for you. Likewise if you ask me to help you know it’s going to be on my terms / my schedule
sand egret
"Hey......yeah.....so I'm going to need you to run this key for me and I'll also need those TPS reports. Thaaaaanks"
☕
exotic spoke
It’s why I’m getting up at 530 in the morning to go to the gym where my friends are helping me
warm plinth
Riki is gonna need a new toon soon. Buffriki
sand egret
member you talkin about getting into that
exotic spoke
God... lumberg
And yeah - this is the fourth week (maybe 5th?) and down about 15 pounds last I checked
sand egret
noiiiice
warm plinth
Next he's gonna be doing the bodybuilding contests like Bajheera
exotic spoke
It was funny - trying to get a dk a one hander - well two of them - and we ran 10 M+ or so last weekend with different people in the guild
Only drop went to the pallie tank when I wasn’t there and he couldn’t trade it
First two high keys I run I get a 435 and a 430 socketed weapon
This week
warm plinth
I finally got an OH for my dh last night. Missed 16 WCM timer by 90 seconds 😢
exotic spoke
Out of those ten runs he got 6 belts
warm plinth
Gross
My paladin got a 435 socketed weapon on his first 10 key lol
Warrior just needs to do content; my alliance peeps are never on when I am though 😦
warm plinth
Uhh, not sure. Not in-game to look at MDT right now. Not even sure how/if they know, or if they're just guessing somehow
exotic spoke
Fair. I know it’s soon according to mdt
warm plinth
Skittish is a 7 affix
exotic spoke
If it’s week after next I think I can get 65 by then.
royal marsh
maybe explosive next week? We haven't seen it since week 2 of this season
last mason
do most of u take am or sb for m+
warm plinth
We haven't seen quaking at all yet, so I'd expect that soon
exotic spoke
I’m like 25% through 63
sand egret
am or sb?
exotic spoke
AM all the way for m+
royal marsh
oh true we havent seen quaking yet
sand egret
wasn't quaking a week or so ago?
vernal stirrup
am all the way in all content personally
warm plinth
Nope, haven't had quaking yet
We've had grievous/explosive/grievous/volcanic/skittish/necrotic
sand egret
i coulda sworn it was quaking week recently
exotic spoke
Last week or two of reaping?
warm plinth
We had quaking in the post season I believe
plain ice
been seeing a lot of people running aegis, sphere, conflict and strife, and lucid for minors for m+. is there a description of which should be used when? i'm assuming lucid is pretty decent for most general m+ content?
royal marsh
I'm using vision/lucid for everything, then again I don't go much past 14 or 15 so :shrug"
exotic spoke
For survivability, as a general guideline, it’s vision major and lucid minor
However, some people may be running with sphere for the slow this week with necrotic. IMO it’s not needed. Stun+ leap is enough the rare times when you have to reset
I can’t remember what aegis / conflict give. Isn’t one vers?
warm plinth
Conflict is vers
sand egret
both are vers
aegis is per target around you (higher maximum) CnS is stacks on you, (better for ST)
warm plinth
Ah, so it is
exotic spoke
Meh Vers.
sand egret
yar
exotic spoke
Personally, this week I ran CoF major and vision minor
exotic spoke
In 12-15 keys I ran anima to murder large packs
warm plinth
Sounds like it's really strong
I'm still several levels off on my war though. Think he just now got 55
exotic spoke
But in high keys (18/19) I ran CoF to help burst dps on certain targets and also on bosses
Also - I despise TD now
warm plinth
lol
sand egret
im not a fan of that place
exotic spoke
When tides are infront of jes howler :(. RIP Riki.
More like RIPki
exotic spoke
I think it was in the other pack across the floor but yeah - same concept
sand egret
woof
warm plinth
They really need to figure that dungeon out. They need to fix the walls
So many random ass pulls through walls and floors lately
sand egret
that place is a nightmare from a level design perspective
exotic spoke
No of the bosses felt bad. But that trash and emissary placement was rough
sand egret
but so are any 3d dungeons
warm plinth
Yeah the ramparts are bullshit now. Cannons hitting voids would make it a bit better
warm plinth
The enchanteds have some interesting bugs too. Sometimes they refuse to be knocked back, other times it seems like they port out hella fast
red wedge
My favorite is an enchanted, and a misplaced cannon shot just insta-gibbing whoever shot
warm plinth
XD
exotic spoke
Happened previously to our rogue - he wanted to test it first hand to see if cheat death would proc
Spoiler - it didn’t
warm plinth
lol
exotic spoke
Well - it killed him through it I should say
warm plinth
Is Cheat Death one of those ones that won't keep you alive through the massive amounts of damage?
sand egret
yar
red wedge
Does it work on a time-based window of damage, or off of the damage of the hit that will kill you?
'cause each reflect is a separate hit... but the timing would be the "same time"
exotic spoke
It’s also possible that it’s multiple hits and say the first one procs it and the second mob kills him
red wedge
For example, I've reflected 8 melee "blowbacks" from mobs inside the enchanted circle when I charged in and clapped for some aggro
warm plinth
Yeah, damage is reduced for a few seconds but even 85% reduction would probably not be enough to save you through a cannon blast * 1.5 lol
The aura is really inconsistent anyway
I swear sometimes I can just be DPSing away with the aura on shit and nothing happens
Other times I eye beam with the edge of the aura barely grazing mobs and destroy myself
exotic spoke
A cannon shot at high keys still one shots me if I’m not expecting it and it feels bad
vernal stirrup
ghash all cheat death effects now don't work through extreme amounts of damage
exotic spoke
And uh, if I’m expecting it then either I take some damage or I have a dead dps. It depends on how I feel
weary thorn
How do y'all handle the poison stacking from the ranged mobs in Hadal's room on siege at high level? It was brutalizing me this week 
exotic spoke
It’s just a matter of multiple hits in the same instant which will destroy anyone - cannon * 1.5 * X number of mobs (4-5 likely)
weary thorn
I do that on my monk, but no love for pwar
exotic spoke
Horde?
weary thorn
yea
exotic spoke
Cause I don’t know hadal
brittle owl
if you have a cleanse class in your group
warm plinth
Is it poison? Or disease?
exotic spoke
Is it one stack per cleanse?
weary thorn
Okay, so assuming that isn't available is it just a nut roll to get past?
weary thorn
ok
exotic spoke
Waait. A priest can full cleanse necrotic with one fast?
warm plinth
It's the poison from the trash mobs around that boss
weary thorn
its not necrotic, its a poison from the mobs
exotic spoke
Oh my bad - o thought you where saying necrotic for some reason
brittle owl
necrotic can't be dispelled
warm plinth
But if it's poison, priest can't cleanse it; they can only do disease/magic
brittle owl
oh shit yeah
warm plinth
Paladin, monk, and druid can do poison
brittle owl
mass dispel dun work right?
weary thorn
yea and we had rdudu, no pala, no monk
warm plinth
Not on poisons, no
weary thorn
so I felt like I was getting skull drug
brittle owl
yea dudu could do it
warm plinth
Druids can dispel poison but iirc it's not a poison on you is it? Isn't it like a poison weapon proc?
brittle owl
you need to dispel it at 5 stacks for a semblance of control
every melee applies the poison to you
warm plinth
Ah okay so it's Wicked Frenzy-ish
brittle owl
caps at 5 stacks
warm plinth
But yeah if you have a druid and it's dispellable poison, they should be able to clear it for you
brittle owl
it's definately worth to masspull that bit if your group can handle it
weary thorn
I think it was just stacking fast + tides was in group so no cc
warm plinth
Even non-heal specs of paladin/monk/druid can cleanse poison
weary thorn
I know, but I had zero of those in group
warm plinth
You said you had a resto druid though?
weary thorn
well, just the rdruid
yea, thing is it was stacking hella fast
and without cc kiting was a bitch on that big group
warm plinth
Yeah, doesn't help you have the commanders that can't be CCed at all
weary thorn
plus tides in the mix
warm plinth
So you have the poison + a mob always on you. Oh, and a tides. Yikes lol
exotic spoke
Root the tides
weary thorn
yep
exotic spoke
I think for that pack
weary thorn
yea
brittle owl
literally always just had to zerg it with pugs
weary thorn
learned afterwards that you can pull the group with tides, without pulling tides
warm plinth
Is the tides linked? I know the enchanted that spawns in that room sometimes is not linked
weary thorn
its not aggro-connected properly
as long as you dont use the boss to pull them
you can pull the group without the emissary
but that I didnt learn until the next run
on my monk
so it all seemed ez pz anyway
exotic spoke
So you’d do first pack, second pack mimus tides, then pull boss for tides and far pack I guess
weary thorn
yea that would be doable
brittle owl
i usually do first and far then the other if i can't pull them all
weary thorn
^ thats how I've done it. But I used the boss to aggro last big pack the first time and it came with a tides
at least on that emissary rotation, I'll switch it up
exotic spoke
Just thinking with tides that wouldn’t be too inefficient
Since you get tides + another small pack If you’re having issues with tides and big pack
weary thorn
Right
brittle owl
tides shouldn't be an issue though, since every healer is only playing rdudu
but i guess rooting is difficult
🤷
warm plinth
I’m annoyed that cannons work on tides but spotter doesn’t tbh lol
brittle owl
even moonfiring seems out of this world 400iq strat
wild atlas
Can’t they just moonfire too? To keep it at bay
exotic spoke
I mean 8 seconds on root, then a cleanse, gives him 2-3 casts to heal you?
brittle owl
i always have to do boops on the enchanted in pugs
warm plinth
Tides is the anti cc one
exotic spoke
That’s enchanted vitch
warm plinth
Not the knock back/reflect one
weary thorn
how often I have to Heroic Throw a tides to keep it from getting to me
warm plinth
Enchanted you mean :p
warm plinth
Which is dumb since there aren’t even that many overall that even require CC
brittle owl
why is it hard
exotic spoke
But also the cleanse maelkenar
brittle owl
yes i counted that 1 global
exotic spoke
I’m talking specifically on that pull
Ah, sorry. But yeah that’s what 3 seconds?
Minus haste
exotic spoke
Call it 2.5 total.
brittle owl
yeah
exotic spoke
So 5.5. What’s that 3-4 casts then?
brittle owl
that shouldnt be an issue
warm plinth
Haste shortens the cast of roots too doesn’t it
warm plinth
Yeah that trash is nasty regardless.
brittle owl
and no point saving cds for later at that stage
exotic spoke
I’m with you - first and far and then big pack with tides.
But also pugs
brittle owl
i guess just gotta wait 1 month till people get it
exotic spoke
“How can I kitty dps if I have to cc?”
brittle owl
exotic spoke
Got to 99 stacks in TOS twice. That was fun
exotic spoke
“Can you dwarf it off.” As the stacks get to 45
“No, I already did when it was 99”
“Shit”
random urchin
99 guessing that’s in the orb room?
exotic spoke
Yeah
random urchin
Oof
exotic spoke
Ain’t no big deal for the most part. They don’t hurt