thats the issue
#protection
strong forum
sick sentinel
Benthic is stupid
lucid vale
@willow scarab I´m a muppet the normal dummies do no magic damage so the null barrier doesnt absorb anything also doesnt do any damage
willow scarab
lucid vale
I will later tonight
sick sentinel
Can you properly consume it in court?
sick sentinel
Good then
sacred roost
Any of the benthir gear good for tanking?
strong forum
the sparks, the form ranks, the caster bitch, deterred sentence, zelous eruption
for tanking no
only for pushing dps
sacred roost
I know the crit boots and frost wrists are like BiS for fury.
even over 440 gear apparently
sacred roost
got boots, having a hell of a time getting em with gem slots :()
strong forum
i should quote the FAQ more often
tbh
90% of all questions are literally the FAQ
hence the term 🙃
sacred roost
most of em, some could use a bit of clarification.
like, I want to know why the MDI guys last night where stacking DC and BoM, and yet, it's not recommended anywhrer.
sacred roost
there the best in the world of stupid people? :
strong forum
and theyre doing the biggest pulls in existance, so they get a little more gain out of the trait
yes they arent experts at their classes
sacred roost
so we are supposed to stack, 1 dc, 3x BoM and what for the other 2 slots?
IF or BoI?
strong forum
IF if you want block
but ideally
you want 2x MS
1x DC 3x BoM 2x MS
thats the dream setup
sacred roost
MS is?
sacred roost
I don't even think I have that trait
strong forum
thats cuz theres only 2 pieces in the game
1 on chest
1 on shoulders
that also have BoM
sacred roost
I have the best helm right now.
strong forum
do you
sacred roost
Abyssal Malevolence at 450
sick sentinel
😆
sacred roost
I'm gonna need to save the 200k, i guess.
sick sentinel
tawny maple
Yeah I'm probably just gonna save
sacred roost
that';s what I've been doing
sick sentinel
😋
strong forum
i can get so many upgrades from azerite id be stupid to not RNG it
tawny maple
Ive got 3 445 pieces so
strong forum
so do i, and all are trash
tawny maple
I've got kraken shoulders, engi head, so I guess I'll just save for chest
Just my chest is trash
Or meh
sacred roost
I need chest and shoulders
but I could use some upgrades for fury to, so I might just random
wonder wht BiS for fury is right now
strong forum
im seriously considering running mechagon HM helmet for m+ instead of Engi
cuz i dont have BoM
sacred roost
I need to do mecha today, for the trinket stuff 😦
strong forum
got the deathless run today, pretty pog
sacred roost
I need that for the orange essence
strong forum
yup
pseudo robin
400 Dimond-Laced trinket vs 430 mchimbas? got called in to tank raid last minute
sick sentinel
How is Scheming in raids
Very good
vs BFI/ RF
Better than rf
For dps
Is it?
RF sims higher for me
By how much?
Because it simmed higher than rf for me
On ST RF sims higher
on aoe Scheming sims highe
r
Maybe like something like this happened?
Maybe, just now that scheming has always simmed low
er
for st
not by much tho
I should probably use my Scheming as the moment aoe steps in it sims higher
I was simming fume's top gear on st
but not by much
like 60 damage
It simed higher than rf
tawny maple
@pseudo robin diamond
pseudo robin
ty ❤
rapid tide
Don't die and get an external on pull/taunt if you require it.
It's a rather straightforward boss imho.
manic cypress
will last stand suffice for taunt swap?
or do i need to specifically assign painsupps and stuff
upper spoke
warm plinth
Holy shit
vernal stirrup
disgusting
warm plinth
You aren't a true gamer until you use the effect on barb with Avatar and still get 2 R1s like @willow scarab
sacred roost
on raidbots, when simming for essenses, is the first essense in the results the primary?
warm plinth
yeah
warm plinth
Either way, it is :p
sick sentinel
what was your kill time
strong forum
4:59
sick sentinel
ours was almost 8 minutes
strong forum
fuck 3 tank 3 phase
sick sentinel
Lmao
strong forum
2 tank 2 phase is where its at
strong forum
well we dont rely on quick kill times
if its not literally below 4min
on my best pull i had 29k dps
but now i only had like 27k
sick sentinel
most pulls around 5 minutes I had like 29/31k
warm plinth
#firstworldproblems
sick sentinel
4:30 ish average kill time on first boss 😢
strong forum
whats the range on arcing current on orgo
barren torrent
5 yards from what I saw
sick sentinel
tanks shouldn't have to worry about it
sick sentinel
Sounds fun
fallen rose
is dribbling inkpod anygood for prot to deal damage in raids and M+?
strong forum
its good dmg for high tyr keys on bosses
especially in combination with razor coral if you can make it crit
strong forum
tfw its impossible for me to get good logs on orgo cuz of ultra cleave
without BoMs 🙃
ah well
void berry
Stopping the raid night because we know we don't have the DPS for ashvane... 😦
fallen rose
😦
kindred whale
Hey is prot a good beginners?
I thought about tanking. I do have a max warrior(my main, fury boooi)
strong forum
eh
no tank is hard
but for literal beginners other tanks are easier
like monk or guardian
kindred whale
I'm not completely new. I mean to tanking, I been playing since MoP
humble crow
Welcome to the game!
grand drum
Open da game!
kindred whale
Ah
strong forum
and need more knowledge about everything
you need to know everything
about bosses / mobs / dungeons
peak dock
I have a question, is it worth to go higher (if it is even possible) to get more then 20% vers?
My current stats
This is to tank Mythic progress Eternal Palace
kindred whale
Just wandering, good to know. Time to spam some wq for tank gear. Since I was maining fury
vernal stirrup
just tank in your fury gear, as long as you have weapons you're good
there's very few good tank trinkets
humble crow
bloodthirsty urchin?
vernal stirrup
urchin, edicts/diamond are the only ones I think ye
humble crow
idk if i can listen to a dude with a watermelon on his head
vernal stirrup
excuse me, that's double d's hat from Ed edd and eddy
humble crow
LUL
vernal stirrup
my friends called me stinky hat once and it stuck
humble crow
feelsbadman
kindred whale
Yeah I mean weapons. Just started playing again after my little break so for the opening quest for the new zone I choose the shield. Sucks tho since most of my stuff is in the 400s
vernal stirrup
the advantage of protection is you feel invicible most of the time so you can itemize for damage
humble crow
not gonnal ie i'm aout to try to roll for some raid trinkets cause of that ^
dps*
ashvanes razor or urchin that's my dilemma right now
vernal stirrup
I'm rocking 2 dps trinkets rn lol
only one I've had drop so far is phial
which is a feelsbad
humble crow
big rip
vernal stirrup
does less most times than my one reckless fury trait lol
strong forum
mine does like 50% more than 1x RF
but thats on ashvane and orgo
where theres pad
hollow bolt
Dumb question which im sure is in pins, what dps pot do u use in + as tank? the one that str per mob around u?
wispy plume
Proximity with 4+ unbridled on ST
kindred whale
Is prot basically that didn't count, you touched my shirt!
verbal eagle
Is cyclone strike on first boss of temple still reflectable? Didn't seem to be working but not sure (definitely wasn't targetting me)
strong forum
only reflectable if its aimed at someone else
you can sometimes reflect "Jolt"
just before the cyclone goes off
so that consumes your reflect
and then you get fucked up
terse fiber
A whole season and i never thought of that ^ thought it was just bugged and inconsistent
obtuse venture
how do you reflect it? i thought it was a projectile?
do you just stand in the way with spell reflect up?
vestal edge
Is merektha fang trinket still good even tho theres no more reaping
warm plinth
Stand close to the boss where the cyclones spawn so they all hit you at once.
Merektha’s failing is that you can’t block while channeling, nor move really. Lack of reaping has little to do with it.
chilly brook
I didn’t think merekthas fang was good at all ever since it got nerfed less than a day after it got buffed
Like even with reaping pretty sure you got more value out of a strength increase during avatar
vestal edge
Well when i mained blood dk the dk discord wouldnt stop talking about how nice it was lol
you used to be able to move at almost full speed now its like 90 percent slow lol
warm plinth
DK don’t get slowed much which is why it’s okay for them
vestal edge
i have so many trinks i dont know what to do with lol. ive just been running urchin and inkpod for st and alternating between urchin and phial and urchin and vial of animated str for mplus
chilly brook
It used to do a butt load of damage after buff, enough to offset the downsides but it got nerfed rq
warm plinth
Death’s Advance prevents them from being slowed beyond 70% move speed. They’re also not reliant on avoidance (block/dodge/parry) as we are so the channel doesn’t really hurt them as much.
elfin nexus
Is there a list of things that are removable by the blood elf racial specifically in mythic +?
chilly brook
8 more days 😍😍😍😍
elfin nexus
i've found a list for purge. basically it would be the same correct?
chilly brook
Yes
elfin nexus
im thinking of switching from alliance to horde NELF to BELF any real downsides you guys can think of? I've heard m+ is much better on horde side lol
prot warrior/fury
chilly brook
Just play the race you think looks coolest
Realistically your racial won’t do anything for you
elfin nexus
BELF is best looking anyways otherwise would be a tauren lol
seems like best racial too.
for M+ focus anyways
chilly brook
I mean I guess
But not really
It’s not going to have any noticeable impact for the most part
odd quail
Tauren warrior is best warrior.
chilly brook
It’s not legion anymore 🙃
strong forum
Tauren is disgusting, period
silk loom
425 Gore-Crusted Butcher's Block with a socket or 415 Chains of suffering?
warm plinth
Butchers block easily, unless you have some specific need for Chain’s effect
strong forum
Chain is nearly useless
silk loom
I've been using it to kill my guild leader...
warm plinth
Well In that case, chain all the way lol
sick sentinel
@strong forum you're disgusting :))
oblique garnet
its because @sick sentinel fucked it for everyone
ashen garnet
Playing a prot warrior mostly for m+, is there a soft cap or a point at which haste becomes less valuable than vers or mastery? I’m sitting around 40% haste with two haste proc trinkets
oblique garnet
if you are not the add tank you cant get good parse 😦
strong forum
So I can't perma pad
orchid token
@ashen garnet no. keep taking item level.
ashen garnet
Alright thank you!
oblique garnet
look at his gorgonzola log
sick sentinel
Nvm I don't care enough
oblique garnet
until this week he was solid 15k ahead of everyone
sick sentinel
Wtf
outer dew
tawny maple
Yay my guild got AOTC tonight
hallow phoenix
grats
tawny maple
Only took kicking the shitters honestly
sick sentinel
guys, i wnat your opinion. do you think the weapon from AD or ToS is better for us?
vernal stirrup
we had a guy who refused to soak the wards on our first day
sick sentinel
both 430, no modifiers
vernal stirrup
he didn't make it 5 pulls
honest frigate
TOS gives crit haste so more damage and AD haste vers so a little more defensive
true plover
Would you guys rather have double bloodsport or 1 bloodsport and 1 iron fortress?
For m+
mint adder
2BS
undone sun
1 if personally
oblique garnet
1 bs 1 if
true plover
I could also run an extra DC instead of the IF if that makes the choices better?
undone sun
nah
true plover
I'll give it a shot with 1 of each then for a bit
undone sun
stacking DC is no longer the go to, though it'd be better than BS stacks
white plaza
The icy veins guid says to use VoP as your major essence, but all the top logs are using crucible is that just for the dps gain?
red wedge
icy veins is made for defensiveness
And yes. Crucible is mainly because of the ST damage.
Good for Tyr weeks.
white plaza
Ok cool thank you
sacred roost
So optimal azerite traits would be 3xBoM, 2x MS, 1x DC?
merry cave
It's funny was watching APAC mdi a lot are still stacking dcx3
distant crystal
isn't BBI really good?
fickle urchin
i got locked in a room due to being in avatar form today
did not know it actually changed clipping height.
guess i learned something new.
tacit gorge
AD Weapon or Orgozoa Weapon both 430, and is force multi roght enchant?
honest frigate
If it were me for pushing live keys (different from mdi), id run triple BOM, 1x MS 1x BS, 1x DC
Samir take the AD weapon if you want more damage, and the orgozoa weapon if you don’t care and just want a small defensive cd at the cost of a bit of your dps
jade wyvern
obtuse venture
yep
obtuse venture
no
visual hamlet
would ya'll use a 430 rezan's with a socket or 415 urchin?
obtuse venture
I'd use rezans for m+.
visual hamlet
what about for raids?
warm plinth
Rezan's is 100% going to be used. The other just depends on what you need. For magic, definitely edict. But both edict and urchin are kinda meh this week with necrotic.
visual hamlet
ty!
oblique garnet
Edicts can be used for both magic and physical @warm plinth
warm plinth
I know. But typically if you need a larger absorb, it’s for magic. That’s why I said that.
ionic fern
o.o
oblique garnet
I dont touch bears you should know that already 8)
undone sun
👀
tawny maple
Who needs a 430 edict when you have a 425 diamond
ionic fern
Only as bad as your group.
Not a lot of room to kite - RoP from monks is godlike there.
regal knoll
Hey folks, I started working on my tank again. Unfortunately I'm still 399, so what is best ilvl to even start thinking about Op.Mechagon? Rly want that essence :d
ionic fern
Only bad place is the corridor near piggyboye.
sick sentinel
Should I run bounding stride just in case
ionic fern
You can if you feel it's needed for you/your group.
If you got AoE stuns/RoP/slows then it's probably not needed.
Just play that corridor safe and you'll be fine.
@regal knoll i'm pretty sure you can do mechagon already with that ilvl. : )
regal knoll
Only problem is then finding a group I guess 😄
Watched Darkmech's video on it a few times, just want to put it to practise now
ionic fern
Jeah, that's the hardest part always..try making your own group tho..DPS and healers are generally a lot easier to find than a tank.
oblique garnet
Get pala healer and bop on harder packs
ionic fern
Just have a /cancelaura macro for it.
regal knoll
Fair enough yeah, just put a post on the guild's discord see what happens there, and yeah otherwise I'll just open my own group.
Have to say, don't know much about paladin healers 😄 My main alt is a resto shaman, eventhough they complain they're on the bottom, my guy heals like a God in Mythic+ 😉
ionic fern
Jeah, up to a level any healer will do just fine.
regal knoll
I'm sure they need a buff for 15+ keys, since that's where the difference shows apparently. I just love that spec.
mental scarab
9/10 shamy healers i have suck mega balls, but the 1/10 Guy is a frekking beast 👀
ionic fern
I can't even find a shaman healer.
Every healer that applies to my keys or is in the groups i join is a resto druid.
rapid tide
We have one quite decent one.
mental scarab
Hu
rapid tide
Up to 16/17 she has been doing great thus far
mental scarab
And i dont know but i like paladins more then druid
rapid tide
Same. We run main with Pala and I love the stuff he brings. But we also have a Balance for Tides etc
I would not want to run without any Druid tbf
mental scarab
Pwe pwe feral druid
rapid tide
Oh, if we had a good one I would gladly take them
Instant Cast roots is a feelsgood imho
mental scarab
Y i have one on my friend list and he is a dps beast👀👌🏻👌🏻
ionic fern
This is our feral. 
rapid tide
Ye, it's a strong spec, sadly boring as hell since BfA
ionic fern
He isn't that interested in keys tho.
mental scarab
Woaw
ionic fern
😦
ionic fern
441
mental scarab
Lel
mental scarab
Y
brittle owl
too bad they can't have trees
rapid tide
Yeee. If the rota wasn't as residentSleeper as it is I would gladly go back to it for DPS...
mental scarab
Weird that they dont tbh
distant crystal
just got my insides scrambled on ML 15
regal knoll
@mental scarab Well, not that I'm someone to talk about myself as being amazing or something, but.....I know the spec, if you know how to play, they're pretty good.....but yeah, resto druid is what people play now and want in M+. I don't do pugs anyways, so I'm cool w that 😄
stoic pilot
Our disc in my group has been having a lot more fun of a time this season than last
distant crystal
i've also been having fun on my disc
rapid tide
Ouh. Just remembered the Rdruid we pugged yday, like 1.3k r.io, not tooooo shabby. Refused to cast Rejuv as the "healing per cast is too low"
That was fun.
brittle owl
wut
distant crystal
should probably have him take a look at his mastery tooltip
regal knoll
Disc is fun indeed, I did like holy more this expansion
rapid tide
Yeee, my thoughts exactly. No idea what he was on about but ye. Fun key.
regal knoll
Some people may think just to go for resto druid and that's enough, but they don't know how to play it 😄
rapid tide
Disc is great playstyle
Although tbf as dps healer I like HPal more
Same style of offense into healing
But melee and smoother somehow
Also more reactive, less proactive, I like that for keys, people tend to take random spikes
distant crystal
schism -> cyclotron tho
regal knoll
Disc is a bit tough with grevious though
stoic pilot
^
distant crystal
feelsgoodman
stoic pilot
Disc shits on void emissaries and tides
rapid tide
Schism Cyclo is nice, ye.
stoic pilot
It’s so nice
rapid tide
Imagine Disc could use Iris
regal knoll
My elemental shaman eats the voids for breakfast as well 🙂 that's my main, LoS is for pus**es 😄
rapid tide
That would be fun.
distant crystal
that's my motto on rogue
distant crystal
eat the first one, cloak 2nd, eat third
stoic pilot
tbh
brittle owl
or pur protocol
distant crystal
if there's a fourth what is going wrong
brittle owl
having a meme beam on a tank is broken levels of fun
rapid tide
Idk even. Could not Block while channeling and VoP is kinda insanely good too
mental scarab
@regal knoll think ppl wont Rdruid for MDI wonna be to🤓
rapid tide
I don't think I would even play it tbf
brittle owl
maybe not on a warrior
distant crystal
meme beam would only work for pulling
stoic pilot
I’m so far behind on galvanics
distant crystal
but bote would be pure sex
brittle owl
and paladin
rapid tide
Gz
distant crystal
now i just need 50 pearls, 21 crates, 6 oscillators
stoic pilot
I’m gonna get rank 3 nulli tomorrow and then prob grind out purification protocol rank 3
distant crystal
xD
stoic pilot
Pray for rank 4 from paragons
rapid tide
Crates are free, 50 pearls are quick and Oscillators come with time :P
distant crystal
yeah i'm not gonna rush for null
i rarely tank raid
and vision/lucid is more important for keys
stoic pilot
I felt bad during our ashvane prog not having it
distant crystal
tho i did run r2 null minor for ML
stoic pilot
Was our brews like 4th highest damage
distant crystal
i even used edict
rapid tide
That's gonna be a great time
distant crystal
with magic edict
rapid tide
Ye. Some of the mechanics sound terrible tbf
ionic fern
Nullbarrier pumps
rapid tide
A lot of "just heal it 4head"
distant crystal
man i got some bad info from this discord
ionic fern
🤔
rapid tide
As per tradition
distant crystal
told our tanks that null dynamo would deal its dmg no matter what
ionic fern
Wut
distant crystal
ppl were saying it deals the dmg on expiry regardless of absorb
rapid tide
I mean. The tooltip is kinda clear in that regard
brittle owl
if the main tanks take 1 stack of the debuff, that's a guaranteed 2k extra dps with null r3
and it makes sense to do it
distant crystal
yeah, i was tellinng them not to bother cause it would do the dps anyway
brittle owl
for monks it's way more too bcs celestial fort
distant crystal
luckily they had already tested and knew i was wrong :p
rapid tide
Good on them :^)
sick sentinel
spell reflect still works on first boss right on temple
regal knoll
Was gonna ask about SR as well, this does work on the void emmisary?
mental scarab
Only reduce dmg
mint imp
You can survive like 3 stacks only with IP on void emisary to be honest
ionic fern
🤔
rapid tide
Well it's 100% of your health but with any reduction (such as IP) and you being at 100%...
mental scarab
Or is it 75
rapid tide
But I wouldn't tbf :' )
strong forum
2 stacks is fine 3 stacks is unnecessary
rapid tide
Should a third cast go through I would either LoS or at least Spell Reflect => Potion.
rapid tide
^
ionic fern
I mean..you usually pull shit ontop of the emissary to not waste time.
rapid tide
If it doesn't die before third your dps is really low or badly focussed imho 😄
ionic fern
So you won't be that high health most of the time anyways.
strong forum
Yup
rapid tide
Yep.
rapid tide
Like I would never go "oh a third cast is coming through, IP will save my ass". Let's say it like that 😄
regal knoll
In AD there's also one on the spot before the last boss, that big pack in the middle. No void I think, but what we did was tank went right, and died, we just mass rezzed him, and problem solved
In KR there's also one in that big area after 2nd boss, we just pulled the pack out of that area, and took it back, nuked the void after that, pretty doable
strong forum
Ye that's the typical skip
regal knoll
I do like season 3 more though, I like the randomness of the placements....S2 was fairly ez affix, but the randomness makes it less boring as to you don't know what to expect next reset.
strong forum
It won't be random for long anymore
We'll know what week its next
And mdt has it mapped out already
So technically you can look it up beforehand 🙃
regal knoll
Yeah I know, but S3 was a bit of a boring affix, I do like this one more
Maybe they plan to add a new emmisary type half way, that'd be cool
rapid tide
I kinda don't mind this affix.
But for me personally it has put even more emphasis on skippin and avoiding.
strong forum
Yup
rapid tide
I really dislike the mentality that every affix has to be about "how do I avoid it best"
I would really like some more positive affixes for once.
regal knoll
Well, that is the trend mate.....look at M+ groups, let's take a rogue to skip.....
I personally play keys for the challenge
If you always skip a certain part, and then one day you can't.....then you **** up since you don't know how to do it
stoic pilot
Taking a rogue doesn’t mean you’re less skilled though. Some stuff is just a waste of time to do versus doing other packs
It’s still challenging lol
ionic fern
Rogues just bring too much utility/dps right now .🤷
ionic fern
Even without shroud they would be brought just because of all the other utility+survivability.
brittle owl
an affix that made you efficient would be interesting to see
something that gives a reward rather than a penalty
old zephyr
But that would be too easy to time
brittle owl
🤷
stoic pilot
I think reaping showed that people care more about fun > difficulty
Idk they were supposed to have some sort of positive affix; they announced it when they announced bfa
Something like curse / kiss affix or whatever
Forgot what it was specifically but I remember them throwing out the idea of affixes having positives and negatives
regal knoll
For me if it's difficult, it's fun as wll 😄
I love games like Dark Souls etc....the harder, the more I needed to do to avoid dying, the better
brittle owl
they couldve tuned it so reaping was actually dangerous and difficult, still wouldve been fun
ionic fern
Idk..would just put something like Azshara's Decrees from Queens Court into m+ and they alternate over the dungeon giving you something positive if you follow them..otherwise something negative.
Not that hard.
😒
brittle owl
because it lowkey encouraged you to pull big
gaunt dawn
Nah
brittle owl
big dick, always
gaunt dawn
Coordination and good planning is more fun when things go smooth
strong forum
Aka arms
brittle owl
small dicks get the memes
gaunt dawn
Over mindless big pulls
strong forum
Big pulls are life
brittle owl
big pulls arent mindless though
gaunt dawn
Most are
strong forum
None are
gaunt dawn
Let's be honest
strong forum
Tbh
brittle owl
on low key levels sure
gaunt dawn
If you're doing triple or quadruple packs on a 15+
That just means you have CDs
Which innately lowers risk
brittle owl
well duh
strong forum
Nothing is more fun than pulling the triple pack in FH at 2nd boss into reaping
That shit was 👌
gaunt dawn
So it is somewhat mindless
brittle owl
depleto*
strong forum
No that's called being efficient
stoic pilot
I was thinking after islands today; reaping with Anima major would’ve been so fun
strong forum
Big pulls are efficient when you pull them off
brittle owl
i get what you're saying, s3 reward coordination and personal play a lot
ionic fern
It depends on the pull tho.
Fh pulls are mostly mindless.
SOTS pulls are not mindless since you need decent interrupts/stuns/cc's all over the place.
gaunt dawn
You dont mass pull those though
brittle owl
sots and ml big pulls are the examples of 'pay attention you little shit'
lel
what are you on about panth
ionic fern
I do mass pull SOTS tho. 😦
gaunt dawn
Are we talking a LoS mass pull into stun?
sick sentinel
I dunno wtf is going on but I'm having a ton of problems in td 10s this week, 2nd and final more specifically.
I've done practically every other key outside of KR on time in a 10 this week
ionic fern
First pull outside with the casters+stair mobs into lust for example.
sick sentinel
I've went in that damn place like 5 times and we always fail it somehow
gaunt dawn
That's two casters?
old zephyr
Welcome to the club
gaunt dawn
Which will require 3/4 interrupts total (assuming shockwave)
ionic fern
2 casters outside+2 from down + 2 healers from each side of the stairs + protection boye.
gaunt dawn
Oh you're doing those also
ionic fern
Jeap.
gaunt dawn
Ye that's a big ball pull
gaunt dawn
Esp as you cant reliably snap mobs with the braziers
stoic pilot
That pull is so sketchy if your dps blank for a second and miss interrupts
sick sentinel
Like I know you can bop bobby off, but are they other none warrior ways to get him off ppl?
stoic pilot
Interrupt him
gaunt dawn
Interrupt him
stoic pilot
Same thing
gaunt dawn
But shh 🤐
stoic pilot
But one day of last boss in siege spawning 1 demo tentacle
ionic fern
Please don't.
gaunt dawn
😡
ionic fern
😂
Idk..we did WM yesterday and the piggy boss just randomly decided to de-spawn at 0.2%. 🙂
Was a fun time.
brittle owl
thats cuz you didnt slam hard enough
this is why tank dmg matters folks
don't be a mwahi and have your boss despawn at .2%
do more deeps 👌
free psa btw, feel free to pin
gaunt dawn
Dont do too much dps
You might crash your server
When were on a queens court kill 😢
brittle owl
F
brittle owl
i blame celestial fortune
gaunt dawn
Were you doing DPS on thursday??
stoic pilot
Here’s a question, has anyone here had any required use for Azeroths Undying Gift in raid?
I’m considering not making rank 3 of it first and just grabbing condensed life force first
brittle owl
required
stoic pilot
Sorry poor word choice
gaunt dawn
Why not get it r3?
sick sentinel
I thought about going back arms or fury or some crap but I'm not good at those. Don't overly enjoy them either
brittle owl
it's good for gorgonzola i guess
stoic pilot
Oh I will eventually I just dunno if I want to get it first before condensed
gaunt dawn
You should have both r3 by now..
shut summit
been messing around with it on azshara
stoic pilot
And I do not. I took a break and rerolled a few times
shut summit
works great until shes royal cunt and pushes back jolt by 5+secs
brittle owl
azshara has a lot of magic dmg ye, could be good there
gaunt dawn
Only useful for p1 azshara. No?
sick sentinel
I just simply don't do raiding, mostly keys.
stoic pilot
Hmm okay, we’re on orgonzoa now but tbh the dmg intake doesn’t feel that bad (unless it heavily ramps in downstairs phase)
sick sentinel
Got 7/9 last week in a pug though as main tank, easy to learn fights
stoic pilot
So if it’s at azshara where you actually feel a good use for it I’ll probably just make condensed first since we’re a ways off
ionic fern
I will take the blame for that @gaunt dawn 😦
strong forum
He means bod, clearly
mint imp
idk everyone was speaking about ep
regal knoll
One boss encounter 😄
I will aim to tank EP NM coming friday with guild, I'm not a pro tank or anything, just want to give it a try.
sick sentinel
Oh you don't fight her on normal but in lfr you do? Wat lol
novel temple
do we socket both the 120 str gem and the 80 str gem?
sacred anvil
You can do that?
regal knoll
I avoid LfR, not only because of the difficulty, but the "nice"atmosphere 😄
mint imp
Avoid any pug-ish groups
novel temple
pretty sure we can @shut monolith since i was looking at the resto druid stuff and they socket both
mint imp
If someone told me this when i started with wow it would save me a lot of hair
sick sentinel
Yes, +80 and +120 main stat are separate types of gems so you can use both even though they say unique equip
strong forum
1 unique kraken
And 1 unique leviathan
mint imp
you want to eq +120 for sure but +80 main or +50 secondary?
sick sentinel
So it makes secondary stat gems nearly useless as you can't enchant ring str at least not a bfa one
And you'd need 3+ pieces that have socket and worth equipping
I don't know market value of the new secondary stat gems but can't imagine it's a strong prices atm
regal knoll
I will change realms then 😄
sick sentinel
I'm low pop as horde on a ally based server, so I got a bit cuckes in that regard, prices are way outta whack
marble cipher
I'm on a very high pop eu realm, on horde (and horde makes up like 90% of the population).
No single raid consumable is expensive, I like it 😄
mint imp
how much you got for +50 gem?
sick sentinel
The prices are low because of jc rings
I already got a 455 ring outta the weekly box, so I can't complain
did it have a socket
spice mortar
Boys, 400 refracting prism or a 430 Rezans?
sick sentinel
Wrong stats crit and uh, mastery maybe? But who cares 455
rapid tide
Wrong stats and "crit" in one sentence is weird
sick sentinel
Nah no speed or socket
sick sentinel
Crit is like
your best
:4head:
Icy viens tells me crit is bottom of list
ew
icy veins
celest nimbus
Wait no, don't listen to them
rapid tide
Please don't follow Icy-Veins :S
sick sentinel
:/
celest nimbus
Crit prot is actually broken
rapid tide
It's really good for being a good critty boi and doing big dmg.
sick sentinel
mastery/vers are eh considering BoM
rapid tide
Ye. Haste + Crit is kinda what I personally gear towards given the choice 😄
sick sentinel
Fml I had a 440 cloak drop with crit from wcm and I gave it away cuz I looked at stat priority from them
rapid tide
Have the Freehold ring at 450 (no hole sadly) and a 450 Crit/Vers Ring with Hole :))
I think I won't be replacing those anytime soon.
sick sentinel
This was today too
rapid tide
Uff.
celest nimbus
I got like a 450 cape with crit and mastery, but that's all I got :(
rapid tide
I mean tbf, it obviously depends.
sick sentinel
Feelsbadman.jpg
rapid tide
Defensively Crit is not your best bet more often than not.
Offensively it's really really good.
Then again I don't think you need much help defensively and being able to pull the juicy 100k on good pulls is much more valuable defensively by simply slapping stuff to death quicker 😛
celest nimbus
^^^
rapid tide
I personally would say I want ~30% crit if I had the choice.
rapid tide
Oh ye, parry is obvsly never bad.
I think I have like 1.3k Crit 1.5k Haste atm iirc.
Let me check.
sick sentinel
I still prefer to be traditional tank type and not take any damage if I can, but I should change to some offensive
celest nimbus
We're fine against melee though. Magic users is what got me. Til I got my edict from heroic today, with a socket!
rapid tide
Ah well, logged out in Fury gear, can't check. But ye, roughly around there.
Thing is you don't take damage, claw.
That's the beauty of Prot.
You go as big dps as you can for keys
And you still ain't dyin.
You can go for Urchin or Edict if you know there will be big slaps obvsly.
I run Rezan's + Gore atm, simply because I don't feel like I need it for 16/17s.
Might change when I get to decently high keys I guess.
marble cipher
I run Urchin + Edict atm, cause no luck what so ever on dps trinkets so far......
It's overkill as hell, but, first I need other trinkets to be higher than 400 before considering to take one.
And the many many many waycrest spams still haven't given me a good block (or rezan from atal for that matter...)
Soon (tm)
rapid tide
Ye, probably would go more defensive in keys with pugs.
sick sentinel
I do at least have a 430 gore, and the other is a 440 button
rapid tide
I got 4 Rezan's thus far and none procced above 430 :/
sick sentinel
Button is nice, crit for 150k on bosses or helps grab aggro on mobs
rapid tide
If you haev Gore and Edict at 430 I would prolly roll with those.
Can't go wrong with that.
mint imp
you have to consider all the things in M+ and draw the best results/gear
rapid tide
I don't like button but that's me 🤷
mint imp
thats how you know good/bad tank in m+
rapid tide
tbf, you know someone is good at tanking in m+ after playing with them.
So many people can "tank" but have no idea about m+
Seen warriors kiting like mad men as soon as they pull.
sick sentinel
I feel like I'm okay tank nothing too special
rapid tide
Saw people overpulling like crazy on random aggro mobs because they ain't dying as tank.
You can't really say whether someone is good before you played with them imho 😛
And tbf, I prefer tanks that just consistently pull 1-2 packs and make sure stuff dies.
I don't want to speedrun, I am happy with clearing my keys.
mint imp
well things you do when actually running the key is different.. thats about skill but the theory in preparation is also important
rapid tide
Oh ye, obvsly.
celest nimbus
Ngl, I forgot this week had bursting and got my killed because of thicc claps. So I can't say anything about being good or bad.
sick sentinel
My biggest down fall is we wipe or whatever and lose tons of time so i pull immediately on a later pull to make up for it occasionally.
rapid tide
Happens. Went ham on the raptors after first boss with the void and kinda forgot void + bursting is dumb dumb.
🤷
I think for just clearing your keys and not speedrunning when running keys at like 16 and lower it's just about playing clean
The timer is lenient enough that you can take each pack on their own if you want to.
And if you have a wipe or 2... doesn't matter.
Timer will still be fine.
In lower keys I like to go ham and pull big even if we have some deaths.
Simply because it's still faster and also just... fun I guess? 😄
celest nimbus
Rule of thumb, never take a gnome though. They tend to leave WAY more often than anyone else.
sick sentinel
And then we die again... I'm getting councler anyway for anger management to try to settle down a bit (bad pun, but it's true)
celest nimbus
Wait, does my comment count as racism?
mint imp
You cant be racism to gnomes
sick sentinel
I'm a tauren so no, we punt them.
mint imp
as gnomes are bullying the other races already
celest nimbus
Oh yeah, I forgot alliance is the minority
sick sentinel
Never ever trust a gnome dk
regal knoll
Gnomes 😄 Even in Avatar they're small 😉
sick sentinel
Gnome dk is bad news and you want to run the hell away if you meet one
sick sentinel
There is that deviate snack too. Makes you small, dunno if relative to current size though
If it is.. make a gnome something eat that and put on goggles, become antman
For memes
mental crag
Hello all, I am new to tanking and have been reading guides. Do people go for the 42% soft block cap as priorty as stated in Lepan's guide to M+? That seems incredibly difficult to do. with even 1x iron trait haste/mastery gear and at 430。。。
vale whale
What red Punch card would you guys use?
Haste or beam?
I am going with beam atm
mental crag
I am at like 30% right now...
onyx vessel
haste
onyx vessel
not bis then
celest nimbus
F
vital tree
all over as in the remaining stuff that makes him 437 is pretty damn bis itemized
but shields just refuse to drop
still carrying the damn week 1 pvp shield
vital tree
450 AD shield in my weekly chest on wednesday though
quick elk
Where is this Lepan guide?
vital tree
I can feel it
mental crag
@quick elk wowhead prot warrior guide.
He discussed K block value, soft block cap etc.
Crit block capping out at 85% etc...
rapid tide
42 soft block cap?
mental crag
I am wondering if people actually follow that for keys 10 to 15.
rapid tide
First time I hear of that.
mental crag
42%
rapid tide
And no, definitely not.
spice ferry
never even heard of it lol
spice ferry
if its anything like his s1 dk guide, ignore it
quick elk
Thanks
rapid tide
Thing is block is 99% related to your shield.
So yes. You want highest ilvl shield
But that's about the extend of what you can do about your block.
🤷
rapid tide
I mean okay.
He makes some weird statistic of a "k value"e.
Honestly, sounds like overengineered bullshit to me.
The metric for block is: Wear your highest ilvl shield.
Done.
mental crag
Should to steer away from 3x clap, 3x bastion traits to pick up more "block"
rapid tide
No.
mental crag
I doubt it....
rapid tide
Never.
3x DC is purely for dps though in all honesty.
It's theoretically highest throughput for m+ but you lose defense for it.
I personally only run 1 DC and 2 Scheming.
You can also run Iron Fortress, Brace for Impact or any other trait really.
(3 BoM being a given if you have any chance to get it)
mental crag
I have been playing with my gear to swap from Fury to Prot. I have a million 430 rings
rapid tide
But ye.
Skimming over that guide I don't like it.
Bloodsport and Callous Reprisal are not "bad".
regal knoll
I'd say if you have a million of those rings, sell them 😄 you can buy that Dino mount
rapid tide
Bloodsport can actually be quite decent. And both of them are not terrible by any means.
rapid tide
I'd take it if I don't have other choices for ilvl and would not feel terrible about it
🤷
ionic fern
If you take it for ilvl then sure. But the trait itself is meh.
rapid tide
I don't say it's good.
Ye, obvsly it is.
But I don't think you can straight up say "it's bad, avoid at all costs"
As the guide does.
Because that leads to believe "430 with IF or 445 with BS? oh ye, 430 for sure".
If you have choice then yes, I would always go for the other trait probably.
But if I don't I won't be crying over it 😛
But ye. I don't know.
The guide also recommends 2 TC as the best offensive traits for 8.2
🤷 I mean just my opinion but I don't really see that.
mental crag
I can swap some gear out away from haste mastery, but this is what I have so far.
any tips for 10+?
rapid tide
Looks good to me. I don't like Tides, no idea what the alternative is there.
ionic fern
What guide are you reading? @rapid tide 🤔
rapid tide
And you have relatively low crit so maybe similar ilvl gear with crit if you have any.
mental crag
I dont like it either, but I will gamble 445 shoulder this week.
rapid tide
https://www.wowhead.com/protection-warrior-mythic-dungeon-guide @ionic fern the one linked earlier where it says "prioritize getting block over anything else even if it means dropping good traits".
mental crag
I have a ton of crit items from fury.
mental crag
Crit the way to go for M+?
marble cipher
@mental crag crit+haste is lovely for M+ yes
mental crag
thank you all for being so responsive!
autumn pendant
You will def die even in +2
Look at those russians guys that ran one dungeon 2 hours
😋
rapid tide
I mean. I do assume you like... knowing how to play :' )
You mean the +12 KR?
That was 4 manned?
marble cipher
I went full on haste+mastery in M+ until I thought to myself "waaaaait a minute, I got 3xBoM, I think this is a retarded choice of me going for mastery....."
rapid tide
That one on reddit?
mental crag
Haste is high enough that SB CD is 12secs so, can 3x SB then last stand then SB?
rapid tide
Yup
mental crag
Yeah, I have 3x BOM
rapid tide
Although depending on pull it's wise to just not have block up for a while and keep Bolster for next pack.
marble cipher
you can usually do that yes, and you can shockwave or kite whenever you can't manage to SB
rapid tide
If I am just tanking 2 remaining mobs and will pull 6+ afterwards I won't be using Bolster 😛
But ye in eneral 3xSB=>Bolster=>SB
And make sure you actually utilize the SB, there are a lot of mobs that cast etc. where they don't attack you.
So effective uptime > general uptime
Mhm?
Is that a pic? Can't see it, it's uploaded as a file.
autumn pendant
autumn pendant
😶
rapid tide
0.3 points is a challenge by itself.
Imagine being 3 r.io with all keys completed.
🤔
marble cipher
Were they testing a new russion bot to run M+ 🤔
mental crag
mental crag
I have, Font of power