protection

[sharp night]

sometimes things i expect from wowhead spelldata don't actually work because of some hidden trigger ingame

[weary thorn]

I was skepticle. Who knows what crazy shit Vince might say

[sand egret]

Apply Aura: Mod Minimum Speed % Value: 100% yep there it is

good catch Vince

Effect #2 Apply Aura: Immunity - Mechanic (Snared) on BoF,

[vernal stirrup]

give it to a shaman and make them ghost wolf for it lol

[sharp night]

only reason i know is because eye beam for havoc dh also applies the same modifier as merektha's fang and freedom doesn't let you move around while doing it

and the reasoning for it is because they don't want to actually root you in place but they want the same effect

because otherwise you could freedom/beam or use beam/fang to lock yourself in place during a boss knockback for example

[sand egret]

yeah, makes sense

[west kayak]

Is it just me or do you generate more Rage with the Devastator talent than Booming Voice? I get back to back Shield Slams and I find myself "over-raged" at times. 🙂

[undone sun]

RNG

[west kayak]

True, but it does provide more Rage than BV consistently. At least for me since I switched the other night.

[sharp night]

do you have logs for it? mathematically deva should only provide as much rage per minute as bv on average (ie consistently) with unrealistic uptimes

assuming you get a "full reset" on ss every time from it, at 20% and a 1.5s swing timer (meaning you need ~74% haste), it provides equal rage to BV

realistically you're going to be at maybe ~40-50% haste with procs bringing it up a little over that, and most of the resets aren't going to be a full reset

[warm plinth]

I think logs have been dissected enough in this channel to prove that BV provides more rage.

Can always get lucky with RNG and have a one-off but it's not consistent.

[cosmic cape]

what should i wear assuming i upgrade the boots to 425

[vernal stirrup]

the benthic, personally

depends how much you value defensive stats

[warm plinth]

Are you going to be raiding? Or no?

And then my second question would be, if you're raiding, are you trying to get high parses?

[cosmic cape]

yes and yes aotc and 3/8 m

im not the type of tank to go full turtle i like to just get baseline defensive so that i can take the training wheels off and do as much dmg as possible

[distant crystal]

well

since you're 3/8m

go for benthic

[vernal stirrup]

then definitely benthic

[distant crystal]

ashvane needs everybody pumping

[vernal stirrup]

protect warrior is pretty tanky already, avoidance and 10 ilvls of Stam won't make as much difference as the damage of the boots

[cosmic cape]

like when im in keys and other not nazjatar things the other boots?

[vernal stirrup]

if you wanna, they're still worse dps wise

because of the socket

at 425

[cosmic cape]

yeah i can upgrade them again today i just need to go to naz

[distant crystal]

crit/haste with a socket will beat 10 ilvl

for dmg

and it's barely behind for def

[vernal stirrup]

yep

[cosmic cape]

idk what trinks to use either i have so many now lol

[vernal stirrup]

the ones you like most

for dps just sim

[cosmic cape]

430 urchin 440 animated blood 440 bandages 430 inkpod 430 socketed phial of arcane and 415 laser mech trink

[vernal stirrup]

I'd go ink pod urchin myself

[cosmic cape]

lately ive been using the urchin and animated blood just cuz i like hitting shield slam for 50k lol

[distant crystal]

you gotta stop using prot loot spec lol

unless you're on a specific boss/dungeon for shield/1h

[cosmic cape]

well i dont on my old dk main lol i just dont want to get 2h weapons

thats what i like about blood dk

i would LOVE inkpod if it would apply to multi targets on my thunderclap and stuff lol

[distant crystal]

it does

[cosmic cape]

does it? i was trying it and it wasnt working for m

inkpod stacks apply on all aoe stuff?

[distant crystal]

p sure yeah, i haven't tested for tclap specifically but

i know fury whirlwind cleave applies it all over

[cosmic cape]

doesnt appear to be im trying on multi target rn

whirlwind might be a little different i feel like it kinda smart targets mobs when it strikes multiple times as opposed to tclap and rend which is just like a circle of damage yknow

[warm plinth]

Revenge might work?

[vernal stirrup]

I think it night be because fury aoe is weird and has a target cap

but ww doesnt

so idk

[undone sun]

20 targets is the default target cap, game wide

[vernal stirrup]

oh, I didn't know that

[sharp night]

that's different

over 20 targets is where damage starts to get split amongst all targets, it doesn't just randomly stop hitting targets past 20

fury's aoe is a real target cap where it doesn't hit targets beyond 5

and the spell is "copied" 4 times from your primary target to the secondary targets

[vernal stirrup]

yes

that's why I think it might work for them

it's not real aoe

it's cleaving

[sick sentinel]

So I got the Mechagon HM helm, I assume when I can buy a 445 residuum piece it would still replace it, even with the perfect azerite traits

Ya

And the mechagon helm is not perfect

PSI is good, with the correct red and correct yellow

Im using the cyclone red, and a vers/crit card sadly, but only cause its ilvl 445

That's a big card ngl

Wish it was haste, but I cant be picky

I guess that leads me to my next question, would it be worth using the PCI trait? Or just use the BoM, since the PCI would give 324 vers

How much mastery is bom

642

Let's go through this together so you can see my line of thinking

We'll use this

Crit - 72 
Haste - 68
MasteryAP - 72
Verse - 85 / 170```

642 mastery with 60% uptime

Or 324 vers with 100% uptime

That's your choices

I think I'd still go with bom here

Thats what I was thinking, I only get 2% vers from it

It's better to make your strong phases even stronger (known as cd stacking) than have it spread out

Yeah, I like the burst from BoM, but I appreciate the help!

I could have just told you "use bom"

Because that's the correct answer

But you'd never learn that way

Fair enough

[inland ice]

Ah! Is simming with Prot viable then? Or is this just stat weights through some other means?

[undone sun]

simming for offensive, yes

[sick sentinel]

@inland ice those are not stat weights

[exotic spoke]

Ahhhj shit kaege

I like this

[lapis topaz]

Those stat points per % are subject to DR right? Not trying to derail your argument, just trying to make sure I understand the details. @sick sentinel

[sick sentinel]

There's no dr

As far as I am aware

[lapis topaz]

Oh. Hmmm. I thought there was. I would trust your knowledge over mine though.

[warm plinth]

There are no DR on stat gains

[sick sentinel]

There is dr in stuff like parry rating

[warm plinth]

e.g. 85 haste is 1% and will always be 1% haste

[sick sentinel]

Wrong numbers but yes

But

[warm plinth]

Yeah whatever

Lol

[lapis topaz]

Ohhh, so it’s just for block, party, dodge? Like things derived from other stats?

[sick sentinel]

Party 🎉

[lapis topaz]

LOL. Autocorrect ftw

[sick sentinel]

50% party 🎉

Ghash

Wait

I remember

I tested this on my own

[lapis topaz]

That change in effectiveness... that’s dr though, right?

[sick sentinel]

I had a 400ilvl Gore block and no other crit procs

When I had 15% crit and gore proced I got more parry compared to when I was at 25% and got a Gore block proc

But I got the same crit chance

Unless if I don't remember correctly

It's been many months

[sharp night]

all defensive stats have DR

the crit-> parry conversion is what DRs

[sick sentinel]

So I remember correctly

I have spent time on this shit

[sharp night]

armor is the only one that doesn't have a true DR but it's capped

[lapis topaz]

https://peakofserenity.com/2017/10/16/stat-weights-and-you-round-2/ is helping me out

[sick sentinel]

@lapis topaz the odd thing on prot warrior is mastery

The more you have, the more dr it gives

Also the more haste you have, the more haste your ITF gives

[warm plinth]

Yeah but I think that's just because ITF is multiplicative, not additive

[sick sentinel]

Ya

[sharp night]

all haste buffs are multiplicative

er, all haste buffs that aren't from haste rating

haste rating is additive

[warm plinth]

Yeah

[lapis topaz]

Itf = into the fray?

[warm plinth]

Mmhm

[lapis topaz]

Thanks gentlemen

And or ladies

[waxen cradle]

Hey guys how much damage does a 430 Inkpod do compared to a 430 Block ?

I mean looking at it the block no doubt double dips more crit = more parry unless I am wrong, and then the dps gain from the crit, but wondering how Inkpod stacks up purely damage wise

[analog swift]

i mean the free revenges aren't that good

you're spamming Tclap so much and unless it's a decent sized pack (5+) a shield slam would be better

[sick sentinel]

I'd rather use a free revenge over a devastate

[vernal stirrup]

does ink pod do less damage for prot? if not it's p good and I'd use it over block personally

[sick sentinel]

This about inkpod is

It caps at 1 target

The bigger your pulls, the better goreblock will be

[winter swan]

is devastator a decent talent for single target fights or is it always better to use booming voice ?

[sick sentinel]

You lose survivability for about 1k dps

And only in pure st

[winter swan]

hmm im trying to put out more damage and just looking at ways to do it !!! what essences do you use for damage output ?

[sick sentinel]

Cof major

If you care purely for st dps

Just sim top gear

That's literally the only thing the right answer is

For everything else the answer is "it depends"

[winter swan]

im reasonably new to prot our tank bailed and i was asked to tank so im just trying to pick it up

[sick sentinel]

Focus on survivability

Dps will come along

And please play booming voice if you're new to the spec

[oblique harbor]

what is the best profession for pve? Is engineering good?

[sick sentinel]

Eng is amazing for pve

[winter swan]

booming voice has been my go to but i was going to play around with other options i just feel if my dps is low i parse low and people start questioning why i parse low

[sick sentinel]

@winter swan it's not talents

Play cof major

And play good

That's it

[winter swan]

this week im trying cof major and the cyclotronic blast trink

[oblique harbor]

@sick sentinel Why?

[sick sentinel]

Combat res

Belt enchant

And a very good helm

Until you get radiance helm

[oblique harbor]

is good for protection? my focus is M+

[sick sentinel]

Or abyssal malevolence

There are like 2 helmets that i know that are better

[winter swan]

and thats only if you get mythic right ?

[sick sentinel]

Yes

[winter swan]

i only sim 300 dps higher with devastator so thats pointless

o no its 1300

[spice ferry]

Deva is a minor st dps increase

It’s purely for parsing

[modern brook]

@warm plinth @lusty grotto i bought a piano, sorry

[warm plinth]

Whatever, you abandoned us

[modern brook]

🤷 where u at now fam

[sterile mantle]

is edicts trinket worth it

[waxen cradle]

What ring you guys this is better to run with a 440 Footbomb ring from ML, 430 Seal of Regal Loa with a leech bonus, or 430 Pulsing Veins from UR

[oblique garnet]

@sterile mantle edicts is one of the stronger defensive trinkets

[waxen cradle]

https://gyazo.com/a8b8f3921e6ad48c570a2ec4883e90d3

Main first ring

[gusty depot]

thats yummy

[waxen cradle]

Question is what other one would ya guys run with ithttps://gyazo.com/64a64ec130002542344690c8e53563ea

Or https://gyazo.com/778f1582c7fadc9bf675cb3e187d6645

At least the logical answer to me feels like how bad do I need the haste and admittedly my Vers is considerably lower then my Haste which is 43% with 5 stacks of ITF so to me it feels like take the Vers but second opinions and all that

[warm plinth]

I'd still take the haste heavy one. What your vers is compared to your haste doesn't make any difference

Defensively I guess you could go for the vers/haste one

[sick sentinel]

But

The L E E C H

[outer dew]

???

Inb4 ghash tells the guy not running siphoning is the play

[undone sun]

bad tofu

[warm plinth]

Nah we talked about it in DMs

[waxen cradle]

Ok what is the allure of the Dreams End weapon I guess the attack speed buff from it, even with that bonus it seems so meh as it stacks from auto's ?

[warm plinth]

He didn't even bring up leech; I'm so proud

Meleeing is actually a big part of our damage, and the parsing meta is RF+Deva which synergizes with increased attack speed

Hence the allure

[waxen cradle]

Ah ok

So more or less looking to push big parses people go nuts for RF, Devastator, and since Devastators damage is all melee yeah that makes sense

And of course EP is for the most part all ST yeah I get it

[warm plinth]

Deva and RF's damage both proc off auto attacks (they don't increase AAs themselves) so the more auto attacks the better

But yeah you have the idea

[sterile mantle]

ty @oblique garnet

[surreal plinth]

Hey all, does anyone have any recommended weak aura "packs" ? I really like the ignore pain WA that's listed under the resources channel but was wanting something more "all in one"

[vernal stirrup]

what third essence is everyone gonna rock

I'm running vop crucible rn

[surreal plinth]

Been running rank 3 crucible major this week, nice dps increase

[sick sentinel]

Run CoF, VoP, Null

Ultimate damage

and good def

[surreal plinth]

Managed to get coral and vision this week as well. been getting lucky on rolls

Is null worth using at rank 2 @sick sentinel ?

[vernal stirrup]

yea I guess I should get around to grabbing null 3

[surreal plinth]

mines at rank 1 😐 soon as i got flying i said fuck off mecha

[vernal stirrup]

I've been doing the daily wq every once and a while

have rank 2

I'll need to farm spare parts for a while

[surreal plinth]

I'm just tapped out of Oscillators

[vernal stirrup]

oscillators come easy

I think I have 8?

but I only have 4 crates

[lusty grotto]

no, they do not

they are guaranteed 1 per day

[vernal stirrup]

I need to stop using my parts

[lusty grotto]

and RNG'd off chests

[surreal plinth]

shiiit i get 1 a day maybe 2 if i get lucky on a chest

[vernal stirrup]

you can get them from chests

[lusty grotto]

they do not come easy

[vernal stirrup]

but what else are you spending them on

parts have other uses

[lusty grotto]

you have 8, you need 15 for r3

[surreal plinth]

spare parts are easy if you have the time to join a farming group

[vernal stirrup]

yeah so a week

[lusty grotto]

spare parts are hella easy

[vernal stirrup]

I need 17 crates

16*

[surreal plinth]

Junkwatt depot farm group man

[lusty grotto]

like an hour killing mobs and doing the repetable quest

[surreal plinth]

look in the group finder under custom

[onyx vessel]

make sure you get all the chests daily they have a chance to give oscillators

[onyx vessel]

and the world quest ez

[distant crystal]

i got heaps of oscillators

but i need like 16 crates

should hit exalted tomorrow

[surreal plinth]

I'd have heaps to but I literally stopped doing mecha dailies as soon as I got flying which was as fast as you possibly could get it lol its been like a month since i've done anything in mecha

[distant crystal]

i stopped doing them on my main when i got flying

and started doing them on my warrior for null dynamo

[surreal plinth]

That's where I'm at right now

[distant crystal]

gonna get exalted on warr before main

[surreal plinth]

Has anyone played around with blood of the enemy for necrotic this week?

[sick sentinel]

Wait.... what?

[strong forum]

Bote only works for dps 🤦

[sick sentinel]

how does the shorting bit band work

[surreal plinth]

My bad I meant conflict and strife >_>

Thunderclap root

[carmine light]

Unstoppable force or dragon roar for necrotic week?

[vernal stirrup]

@sick sentinel combine rings from hk and gardener

if you wear both you get the effect they combine to do

[sick sentinel]

combine rings?

[surreal plinth]

two sets of rings drop in mecha with passive affects they go together

[sick sentinel]

So you need both

[surreal plinth]

yeah

[sick sentinel]

so sims are simming them

as if you have both

[surreal plinth]

HK-8 drops the "if" statement if you will and Machinist drops the ring that triggers the effect

[sick sentinel]

so sims stlil sim it tho

when it shouldn

t

[surreal plinth]

I'm not sure on that. Haven't bothered simming them

[sick sentinel]

Ye it siming higher than a gemmed item

that is 15 ilvls higher

so ye

and I don't have the if statement

just the equip

[surreal plinth]

interesting

[sick sentinel]

I mean how could you sim the "IF"s

so they probably just sim it

[vernal stirrup]

you would just Sim it as if you didn't have anything

they're also really heavy into one secondary

[surreal plinth]

I've got two 440 haste crit rings with sockets. curious if one of the sets is worth trying to get

[undone sun]

@carmine light always UF

[carmine light]

Any tips for kiting

[strong forum]

leap

and shockwave

should be enough

[sonic cave]

So can i really tom break with war breaking?

[shut isle]

what language you speaking

prot doesn’t have warbreaker or test of might

[sonic cave]

Oh sorry

Just reading guidelines like arch told me too

He was theory crafting earlier about it

[tawny maple]

@carmine light never use DR

[sick sentinel]

What’s all this talk of kiting as a prot war during necrotic

[swift sequoia]

olay i gots a question yall

[Lingering Sporepods] or [Subroutine: Defragmentation]

[tawny maple]

hover over that icon @swift sequoia

[sick sentinel]

is 28.5k sim high for no benthic?

[willow scarab]

Link the sim for an answer

What essences? Talents? Ilvl? Trinkets?

With benthic mine is 38.5

[wanton crag]

Gentlemen. Heroic raider rogue main rerolling to prot warrior. One simple question towards my AP grind, what would you consider a hard must for heroic raiding, 57 neck or higher? Thanks

[sick sentinel]

55

You'll be fine at 55

Then getting rank 2 of essences

[wanton crag]

Okay sweet, should just take a week or so then. Thanks

[spice ferry]

Even then you could definitely get by without that if you had like 430 ilvl, atleast for a week or so

[sick sentinel]

how to look at EDRPS

or whatever it's called

EHRPS

It's in damage taken

what's a good mitigition %

[sharp lotus]

Is there a crash course for the new neck system/ patch? Or will I need to reread the standard shit?

[sick sentinel]

I did 70% mitigited on ashvane mythic

is that good

[sharp lotus]

yes

70% on any boss = adequate if i remember correctly

[sick sentinel]

What's average

[sharp lotus]

surviving

tbh i made the statistic up. However, if you are only taking 30% of the baseline damage, you are probably doing fine. Numbers only verify so much. You will either need to post logs or talk to your healers/ raid leader to get accurate criticism. The fact is that you will get cookie cutter advice if you say such things

people will say "make sure to not be drinking windex instead of paying attention" "save cool downs for bursts instead of dying" "Knowing the fight is important, dont not know the fight, instead know the fight"

[sick sentinel]

Why do people not use Never surrender

on radiance*

as you take you can have 100% block uptime during boss because of how often tide fist happens

[sharp lotus]

because of effective hp

i dont fully understand why you want bubble % over last stand frequency/effectiveness tbh

bubble is a very ineffective damage mitigation outside of the bump and grind from my understanding

[sick sentinel]

Because you take absolutely no damage from the boss itself

and adds are pure magic damage

so last stand doesn't work besides the 15% health increase

[strong forum]

It's 30% and, the boss is easy AF, it's a waste to build around a boss that does effectively nothing

Also mvpg im at like 30k Sims without benthic, so 28.5k is quite high yes

[sick sentinel]

or I mean 30%

still doesn't do much if you are just going to get nuked

[cyan prism]

Hey guys needed a bit of advice, I recently went prot, and i have about 22 haste / 15 vers, char plays pretty smooth, i mostly just prot in keys, u guys think i should stack more vers ? could i give up a bit of haste for vers or is 15% good enough.

[strong forum]

Just have your healers heal you

There's nothing hard

[sick sentinel]

That's not a thing

:4head:

[strong forum]

Then start yelling at your healers

[sick sentinel]

We try

[strong forum]

Yell more

Get tank healers

1 on each side

Done.

[sick sentinel]

Sounds like you don't think we know that :(

[strong forum]

Well shit

If you wipe on radiance, that's the only thing I can tell you

[sick sentinel]

We don't wipe

:)

[strong forum]

So why bother

[sick sentinel]

It just makes it easier

with no dps loss

[strong forum]

I fail to see the issue

[sick sentinel]

so why do people not use it

[strong forum]

No I mean

I fail to see the reason why to spend 600gold for that

[sick sentinel]

600 gold?

[strong forum]

For only to still kill the boss

[sick sentinel]

It's 0 gold

[strong forum]

So you want to teleport out

Spec into NS

Then get ported back in?

[sick sentinel]

No?

I don't come in for beh sometimes as plates need shoulders

[strong forum]

So you're only tanking radiance

[sick sentinel]

I'm tanking all of them and sometimes I don't on beh

[strong forum]

So why bother wasting time specing into NS

[sick sentinel]

To save time

?

[strong forum]

Who's time

[sick sentinel]

The guilds

[strong forum]

How does the guild benefit

If you kill it anyway

[sick sentinel]

Less required healing, less time spent on having troubles keeping tanks up and more time dpsing boss to 2 phase it

[strong forum]

30% increase on IP surely will do amazingly at that

[sick sentinel]

It will

[strong forum]

Breh

No it won't

[sick sentinel]

and it's 100% on ip

?

[strong forum]

If youre 0% hp

Yes

It 50% increase at 50%

And chances are, you'll not drop below 70%

[sick sentinel]

I dip more often to liek 30%

[strong forum]

Shit heals then

What can I tell you

[sick sentinel]

uh

Nvm then lmao

[strong forum]

Like, an 70k/80k IP isn't gonna save your life there, or help the healers amazingly

It's a trivial boss

[stoic pilot]

Tbh radiance as a whole does 0 dmg

Just save cds for intermission and gg

Don’t need to respec

[thick slate]

Is nullification barrier major worth for necrotic week? Did anyone test already?

[undone sun]

Don't see why it would

Null is magic based, necro is physical bleed

[thick slate]

Aaah. It’s physical. Dam I didn’t tank necrotic for ages then. It was magic in legion though or am I tripping?

[undone sun]

That's correct

Changed to a bleed in 8.1

[thick slate]

That’s great, thank you!

[idle current]

Aggro problem, I have recently been moved from dps to main tank (not tanked in years), I am coping ok with learning what to do, however I have an issue with aggro over the other tanks. Last weeks heroic palace run was a death knight and this week a Druid, both had the majority aggro on trash but my main concern is that they were pulling aggro back off me on one or two of the bosses purely from their own dps rotation. Am I doing something wrong, is this common?

[strong forum]

its more common for warriors to steal aggro

tbh

so youre defo doing smth wrong

[idle current]

Ok I’ll go back to the guides, maybe I’m focusing to much rage on mitigation and not enough on dps...that even sounds wrong to type lol...but at least it’s my problem not the class

[strong forum]

the thing is

you have to spend rage

in order to get rage

playing offensively benefits our defense

like you can hardly play defensively without maxing DPS too

use avatar on CD

use Demo on CD

TC and SS on CD

dont overlap Shield block / Last stand

thats the crash course

Rage Management with IP / Revenge you'll have to learn

but dont Cap on Rage, rather just spend it on IP even if you dont get a bigger IP

spending rage = more CDs ( avatar / LS / shieldwall )
more avatars = more rage
More rage = more rage

[brittle owl]

big damage = big no die

on every tank except vdh

[strong forum]

and bdk

[brittle owl]

optimal HS's lead to better RP doe

[strong forum]

optimal HS, yes

optimal

[brittle owl]

and to better dps than just marrowing

[strong forum]

but if you spend all your shit

including Deathstrike when you take no dmg

[brittle owl]

ya true fair point

[strong forum]

then youre big dead

[brittle owl]

unless big carried

thats the secret sauce success formula for most tanks

[idle current]

I find the more offensive i play the less IP’s you get off....I’m never rage capping or even close. But still good to know the issue is mine, that means it can be fixed 😃

[strong forum]

na, hardly as any tank you have to hold anything

but as BDK? lemme just sit here until i take dmg

[brittle owl]

ok, most players*

@idle current playing more offensively doesnt mean spending rage on revenges

playing offensively just leads to more rage

[strong forum]

ye

[brittle owl]

which means more ip's, as you put it

[strong forum]

same goes for defensive playstyle

like, i tried it

and still did decent damage

according to parses

[brittle owl]

there's a reason it's called active mitigation and not passive

you gotta do something

not just wait for smacks

ok unless you're a monk and can be litterally carried by the class

[strong forum]

fuck monks

[brittle owl]

fuck monks

[barren torrent]

Muck fonks

[sick sentinel]

Defensive build is better for keys right

[proper cedar]

Is it worth losing a stack of bastion to get reckless flurry for higher dps output

[sick sentinel]

if you don't have issues tanking

and really only worth if you have the zaqul weapon and devastator talent

[proper cedar]

I see, so I should probably stick with the bastion then

[sick sentinel]

zaqul weapon with devastator and two RF is like a 7% dps gain for me haha

I just need zaqul weapon

:(

[rose agate]

So guys in kings rest what's the best way I'm am supposed to handle the bleed from the berserker adds just shield wall or ?

[hallow phoenix]

dont let them apply it in the first place

About 3 seconds after they do their leap, they will attempt to bleed the person closest to them

dont be that person

[soft rampart]

necrotic + bursting... anyone feel like this a stealth nerf to prot in m+? prot feels bad on this combo

[tender burrow]

And screw a dps?

[hallow phoenix]

What problems are you having specifically @soft rampart?

@tender burrow the DPS should be kiting the berserker during this window too. Ideally she swings and only hits air

[upbeat minnow]

Yo guys. Is there a haste cap as tank ? I sit around 45 % haste in m+ (ofcourse with the "into the fray" talent)

[autumn pendant]

No cap

[hallow phoenix]

Keep stacking yummy haste

[upbeat minnow]

Ok , I was wondering if I would benifit from dropping some haste and getting more versa.

[hallow phoenix]

Haste is best defensively because you get shield block to recharge faster

That being said, I feel fine defensively in m+ and raids and have been getting more vers for DPS purposes

[upbeat minnow]

I sometimes find it hard to know wich items I should use. I still use a 420 ring (302 haste + 192 mastery) but got a ring 430 also (329 crit + 182 versa). So should I use the one with haste still?

[hallow phoenix]

What's your third ring

[upbeat minnow]

425 ilvl ( 344 haste + 158 crit )

[hallow phoenix]

I'm typically willing to drop 10 ilvls for a haste+crit ring, harder to say when it's the options you have

I'd choose the crit ring personally

[upbeat minnow]

Alright will use those for now than. Thanks for the help 🙂

[hallow phoenix]

You could always sim yourself and pick the ring that gives the most DPS

[upbeat minnow]

Can do , I never realy simmed my tank chars before. Only my DPS chars.

[hallow phoenix]

Prot war is DPS

[upbeat minnow]

Damn right 🙂

[sick sentinel]

maybe in keys

prot isn't that good for dps reasons compared to other tanks on ST

[hallow phoenix]

It's not like we're worse though

[upbeat minnow]

Warrior does fall behind abit ST but in M+ oh boy my nrs go high 🙂

[hallow phoenix]

Still pulling 25-30k single target

[sick sentinel]

brewmaster does the best ST

in raids

for mythic that is

[hallow phoenix]

What setup do they need? We have a BrM trying to get his orange parses but hes shy by afew k

[sick sentinel]

Null barrier

two minors

dps trinkets

Crucible major

[hallow phoenix]

There fire breath traits I imagine?

[sick sentinel]

IDk look at logs

"training of niuzao

and tides

looks like what they are s tacking

[hallow phoenix]

I am and I'm seeing mostly warriors

Nvm I found all the monks

[brittle owl]

that's not true, in raids in ST it's paladin >= warr > brew > dk > bear > dh

warrior is definately not lagging behind

[hallow phoenix]

I wonder if monk seems inflated cause most people are using monks to prog

[brittle owl]

it isn't and it does not feel inflated

on certain fights they can abuse null barrier r3

if the kill timers are favorable

[sick sentinel]

Paladin top on meters?

lmao

they are flat bottom

[hallow phoenix]

Pally pumps

[sick sentinel]

where are you getting your stats

[brittle owl]

you must be playing the wrong game

[sick sentinel]

http://prntscr.com/otvla8

hello?

[brittle owl]

wrong metric my dude

you want to look at top parses

[marble cipher]

@hallow phoenix Elusive Footwork is a pure single target trait for monks, triple ToN is lovely too. The fire brezth trait isn't 'that' important. Certainly not for stacking it.

[sick sentinel]

http://prntscr.com/otvlgl

hello?

[hallow phoenix]

Thanks @marble cipher I'll pass on the info

[brittle owl]

sivarra

pure ST fight

[marble cipher]

Tides trait is only good if you manage not to dip below 50% to avoid proccing the debuff.

[brittle owl]

warrior and paladin are within a neglijable margin

[sick sentinel]

Looking at very top parses when they can be stacked with kill times, RNG procs and other factors

[marble cipher]

33k on monk, damn, I got some catching up to do there it seems

[sick sentinel]

95% and below

they are bottom

[brittle owl]

blackwater behemoth

same story

[sick sentinel]

top parses are a joke

[hallow phoenix]

Does the "damage done to bosses" completely exclude adds?

[brittle owl]

neglijable difference

those are pure st fiights

[sick sentinel]

if you think looking at top parses actually mean anything

[brittle owl]

cant cleave anything

[sick sentinel]

you're dead wrong

[brittle owl]

i mean

if you think that top parses don't mean anything

[sick sentinel]

check every stat 95%

[brittle owl]

then i guess we should stop talking

[sick sentinel]

and below

they are garbage

Prot ppallys rely on heavy rng

[brittle owl]

idc about people playing suboptimally

[sick sentinel]

it's rng, kill time and gear

lmao

[brittle owl]

and thats completely wrong, but you'll keep believing your own narrative i guess

[sick sentinel]

doesn't matter teh suboptimal

[hallow phoenix]

Just show us 99th percentile

[sick sentinel]

http://prntscr.com/otvmiw

sure

[brittle owl]

99th percentile

all tanks are close to eachother

[sick sentinel]

Close?

[brittle owl]

because this patch 40% of tank dmg comes from external sources

because benthic

top vs bottom its a 2k diff

tell me how that is a quantifiably strong difference

[hallow phoenix]

Includes all damage in encounter

[brittle owl]

top damage will show you orogozoa mythic

[hallow phoenix]

Cause adds matter too :(

[brittle owl]

since that is the highest dps fight atm

you got adds to pad all thru ohase 2

surprised bears arent higher tbh, since they pump on aoe

[hallow phoenix]

Everyone is still very close even with padding

[brittle owl]

well yeah

[marble cipher]

Even that one VDH is doing well 😜

[brittle owl]

benthic 😛

vdh are strong this tier wdym lmao

dk's are the bottom feeders

sadly

they got dicked hard this expac

[sand egret]

someone’s gotta be on bottom

[brittle owl]

it's not even funny

[hallow phoenix]

Big tru

[marble cipher]

I thought VDH's were in quite a bad spot?

[brittle owl]

nop

they strong af

esp in EP

15% base magic dmg reduction

theres a shit ton of magic dmg

[sand egret]

they were, got buffs, people still complained, but benthic + revel in pain being realized is legit AF helped

[brittle owl]

with fiery brand cd they are one of the best orgo boss tanks

arguably best zaqul add tank due to the mitigation

if they play vop+gluttony they do silly hps as well

talking 50k+ hps

[sand egret]

turns out like 1.3 mill health is sweet

[brittle owl]

week 1 there was a dude solo tanking h behemoth

[marble cipher]

Hm, didn't know that. Wasn't really following their viability since our guild doesn't have one anyway

[brittle owl]

with vop+gluttony

they were always viable

just weakest tank

[sand egret]

power creep + content changed

[brittle owl]

there's no 'unviable' tank

theres even dk's boss tanking orgo

[sand egret]

they also did get some solid buffs

[brittle owl]

abd they're objectively the worst at it

one slight missplay and deaded

[marble cipher]

Might have to level my DH then, just for a change here and there 😜

[sand egret]

they’re super fun to tank with

[brittle owl]

the only thing thats really busted is monks

[sand egret]

stagger*

[marble cipher]

I know, I main BrM

[brittle owl]

turns out giving them self sustain makes them even more retardedly broken

[marble cipher]

(in raids anyway)

[brittle owl]

what with benthic contributing to a ton of dmg

[hallow phoenix]

Do swim speed pots stack on with the swim speed/water breathing mechanic on behemoth?

[brittle owl]

why would you play anything else for serious progression

high dps, high selfsustain

[sand egret]

you do it for stagger ultimately

[brittle owl]

blueprynt was talking about pumps needing

3 direct heals

on azshara m

that's beyond broken

[sand egret]

what new sustain did they get?

is it in benthic?

[marble cipher]

Having a teleport to reset a failing fight is also very nice

And, I'd be curious about that 'self sustain' too, my hps is not 'out of this world'

[sand egret]

or essences?

[brittle owl]

celestial fort makes null barrier retardedly strong

the benthic gloves are super good on them

and some more

[marble cipher]

You use the dps gloves, not the heal gloves

[brittle owl]

wait a sec

[sand egret]

does the shield crit or something?

how does celestial fort interact with null

[marble cipher]

BrM crit% adds to absorbs

[sand egret]

oooo

did not know that tbh

[marble cipher]

Null Barrier is lovely, so are stuff like Edict trinket

[sand egret]

thats neato

[brittle owl]

ya

CoS trident, null barrier, edicts

26k hps

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/kB6VXJx7bZPmYNra#fight=6&type=summary&source=14

[marble cipher]

Overall, the idea of BrM and stat interaction is very good.
Just stagger is too powerful, or rather, the ease of 100% mitigation

[sand egret]

well the “time” offered via stagger is the strong point imho

[brittle owl]

null barrier interaction is silly as well

[hallow phoenix]

Gives too much time to live over any other tank :(

[brittle owl]

huge nukes

it's not that they live longer

they live easier

if you're a mediocre player you will be carried by the class itself

very hard to make deadly mistakes

[marble cipher]

^

Change to ISB post uldir was a good one though, but it's still a safe class to play

[sand egret]

longer allows healers time to recover you from your mistakes thus making the overall experience easier

[hallow phoenix]

So we're having this issue on sivarra where occasionally tank stacks will drop due to avoidance. Raid wants me to just turn around or something but I'd like to know what others are doing. Seems to only happen after an overwhelming barrage followed by a parry or two.

[exotic spoke]

Welcome tonparru

To parry*

[marble cipher]

It's fun tanking Gorgonzola's first hits on BrM though, especially if I see our DK do it afterwards 😜

[exotic spoke]

You should be swapping on every overwhelming barrage

[marble cipher]

Swap on barrage yeah

Easiest

[hallow phoenix]

Tried that and our BrM took too much damage or something from high stacks

[marble cipher]

🤔

Poison will take more dmg then frost, but, still very doable

[hallow phoenix]

Yeah idk I didn't find 10 stacks or whatever it got up to too difficult

[exotic spoke]

Shouldn’t be 10 stacks I don’t think

[hallow phoenix]

I definitely got up to about 10 before a barrage swap

[marble cipher]

I went up to 5 before swap on our kill yesterday 🤔

[hallow phoenix]

Let me search through logs to find the few attempts we tried swapping on barrage

[exotic spoke]

I got to 5 frost marks doing that

[hallow phoenix]

On mobile so this will be a journey

[marble cipher]

During the swap, you need to go and trigger the stack explosion though, to remove what you had

[exotic spoke]

Bdk I tank with maxed out at 7

Do you shouldn’t be getting to 10
Are you solo soaking or standing with melee?

[hallow phoenix]

Solo

Both of us

[exotic spoke]

I don’t know how you’re getting hit by more marks

[marble cipher]

Yeah, shouldn't happen, unless you didn't trigger the stack drop on swaps

[inland ice]

Would love a second opinion

I got the Anodized Deflectors from Mechagon

Ifg you're not aware, they cme with an effect instead of stats

[marble cipher]

The dmg and parry effect right?

[inland ice]

562 Parry, 399 avoidance, 6 sec- then Shockwave for 3,6k damage. 30 sec CD.

Yeah.

They, damagewise, sim better (!) than my 430 with Socket

With the right trinks as backup anwyay.

[marble cipher]

For damage you'll have benthic in that slot anyway

In raid

[inland ice]

But I reckon it's a big mitigation loss?

I'm DPS in Raid, Prot only for M+

[marble cipher]

Ah, then you could use them I guess, I didn't, but have 450 bracers from weekly chest...

[inland ice]

I should scrap 'em, right? The DPS boost is tempting me but that's a lot of stats I'm missing out on

[marble cipher]

You could just run a few M+ with it and check details after, see how they feel

[inland ice]

Well that's awfully sensible of you

I should be less hasty.

Although I've not yet logged for M+ ever, so I wouldn't know what to look for- I reckon that's a good habit to start with now.

[cinder roost]

@hallow phoenix If you take boss first, you swap at 5, then you take back during barrage, and repeat

[lone socket]

Woop, newbie tank finally killed H Azshara. Definitely been gimping myself by abandoning Nazjatar dailies after getting flying... time to farm benthic slotted gear for M 😦

[brittle owl]

dont do that

benthic is good only for dps in the raid

thats it

you can justify losing 15+ itemlevels just to gain a socket

[lone socket]

I mean, I'll keep my gear for non-EP, but aren't the bonuses BiS for EP?

w/ slots, that is

[brittle owl]

the bonuses are bis for ep yes

thought for a second you wanted the bonuses for m+, mb

[lone socket]

ahh gotcha

nah Mythic EP

our casual guild hasn't really done M in prior tiers, should be interesting

[exotic spoke]

Yeah, I gave up on them - but thats cause I had some really lucky TF in certain slots

[lone socket]

I can't bring myself to do Nazjatar quests on more than one character, but I guess that's why I'm in a casual guild

to farm more benthics

[hallow phoenix]

@cinder roost is it repeat whole thing or after the first 5, swap every barrage?

[exotic spoke]

Nah, I would just swap at every barrage personally

[hallow phoenix]

Seems he was only getting high stacks at the very beginning when he grabbed her first

[marble cipher]

We just always swap at barrage, no other swaps

Have him call for an external if needed, or have him pop Fort Brew, or run dampen harm talent ( I wouldn't take DH, but it's a possibility)

[lone socket]

I also got some grief for parsing ~50-60, so I swapped bloodthirsty urchin to phial of arcane tempest and nabbed devastator... survivability definitely dropped but now I'm parsing 75-90. Hate that people pay attention to that (for raid tanking). Changed back for M Sivara wipes, but feelsbadman

[hallow phoenix]

I'll be paying more attention to it this Sunday

Our raid is having difficulty being responsible about clearing stacks in general so that certainly wasn't helping

[cinder roost]

@hallow phoenix Repeat whole, basically YOU always take 4-5 and taunt back at barrage

[inland ice]

@lone socket As long as tank dying or healers exhausting their mana isn't an issue, going DPS is the right choice I reckon 🙂

[hallow phoenix]

@lone socket you take less overall damage if the boss dies faster amirite

[lone socket]

@inland ice I was first death (to boss dmg) on H Za'qul the first night I started swapping things for DPS but I think healers have adapted by now

lol, true, true

I did friendly warn them that I'd be less invincible

[inland ice]

I don't think worrying overly much about tank DPS is a good idea from the raid though

[hallow phoenix]

Every time I've ever died on zaqul it's because heals literally stopped healing me for 10 sec during tether

[inland ice]

If I was DPS in raid, I'd prefer tanks to be cushy and safer so healers can be more mana conservative

[lone socket]

it was more friendly ribbing but I've got a competitive anxiety thing goin'

[inland ice]

Hey now, you're not raiding if you're not whoring the log!

I'm the same, I want to be #1 as long as it ain'tj ust padding

[lone socket]

hah, yeah. I'm a reformed healer so I'm used to subjective parses

non-druid healer*

[hallow phoenix]

My raid lead is a bit too heavily focused on raw hps over the fight

[lone socket]

aye

[exotic spoke]

Ironteats - everone's role is to safely maximize dps

How much survivabilty you can give up depends on your situation

[inland ice]

For sure! I didn't say otherwise. That "safely maximize DPS" is quite vague.

[hallow phoenix]

Check your healers' DPS parses

[lone socket]

our top healer mentioned a few wipes in, "I just set a personal record of 0.1% raid damage that pull"

[hallow phoenix]

If they're orange you can sacrifice survival

[lone socket]

that's, well, good, not bad

well could be bad if people are fucking up and taking extra dmg

[exotic spoke]

It is intentionally vague. You need to work with your healers to determine what you can give up

[lone socket]

but primary roles > secondary

[exotic spoke]

hence why on Ashvane right now, Im asking them as I go more offensive if its still good.

[lone socket]

oh yeah, our druid healers are in the orange area for sure - DPS and healing

at least in H

[exotic spoke]

Until I go tto full offensive on thursday and they said they had no issues keeping me up

[lone socket]

essences too?

I've been meaning to start farming DPS ones

(mostly in anticipation of finally getting a single 2h drop)

but for tanking, too, sometimes

[exotic spoke]

CoF + Vision. Null will be next week. I didnt have rank 3. Cyclo + Gore crusted for trinkets and ran 2 RF, Swiling Sands, and whatever else I could to maximize dps from traits, Lastly - Devastator since Im going for dps

[lone socket]

awesome

[vernal stirrup]

I generally feel like warrior has a solid enough toolkit to get me through anything without essences so I generally just go full offense there

I don't raid mythic tho

so it's just to fit my guild

we are a super casual heroic guild, still working on court

[lone socket]

I'm gonna give that a shot. I'm a bit behind on neck lvl but should hit 60 by Tuesday

for rank 3 CoF

"a bit" - 🤔

[vernal stirrup]

yep, that's when I switched

major vop and cof minor

also I kind of feel like I have to mention this, I don't raid tank super often, like 40% of the time

most of the time I'm fury

[lone socket]

we are all beefy boys

[vernal stirrup]

biggest beef

my fury has 100k more up than our disc priest and it always makes me laugh

hp*

[wise wyvern]

is there actually a Haste Cap ?

[vernal stirrup]

kind of, 100% is as low as your gcd goes

[lone socket]

I've been lootspeccing Fury for Radiance and Orgozoa for 3-4 weeks.. no 2her yet 😦

[vernal stirrup]

dude pdf

I haven't gotten a trinket drop all tier

I'm still rocking the punchcard and a 415 I made on mecha that's a haste proc

[lone socket]

@wise wyvern I'd be interested in haste cap too

[vernal stirrup]

I want an inkpod so bad

[wise wyvern]

@lone socket actualy i around 41% but only 4 % vers

[marble cipher]

As prot?

Inkpod?

[vernal stirrup]

yea

for both my spec

[marble cipher]

Tried it out for a while in muhplus, didn't seem all that impressed tbf

[vernal stirrup]

it's not prime for aoe, but st is where I want to improve anyway

[lone socket]

@vernal stirrup I get all the trinkets... just not razor coral

[marble cipher]

Ah, yeah, I can see it being better for ST. I don't raid on warrior, well, I do as fury

[vernal stirrup]

I've been trying for urchin over coral

[hallow phoenix]

Do you like phial @lone socket

[lone socket]

the visual is annoying but the damage is nice

[hallow phoenix]

In raid or m+? I can never get it to pump

[lone socket]

giant white swirling circle around you

[wise wyvern]

isnt there a reason to take Sporepods in m+ ?

[lone socket]

in M+ right now, I used it on za'qul for adds and iirc it was pumping fairly nice

[exotic spoke]

See what the emote is called

[wise wyvern]

@exotic spoke where do i find it ? 😄

[exotic spoke]

I’ll help you : literalgarabage :

Remove the spaces

[wise wyvern]

okay 😄

[broken isle]

low proc rate?

I got a 440 yesterday oh well lol

[wise wyvern]

seems like its for the trashcan

nothing positive about it on the web

[lone socket]

iirc I was getting more healing out of my 415 urchin than 420 sporepods. don't remember feeling strongly about their dmg one way or the other

[jovial warren]

hey, I am in the process of re-rolling from a holy priest to a prot warr for doing m+. do I need the blood of the enemy minor for higher keys? icy guide doesn't mention it but it makes sense to have it?

[oblique garnet]

Blood of the enemy is dps essence and you cant use it as tank

[sick sentinel]

did something happen to the cyclotronic trinket recently? tooltip dmg is lower than real and it feels like it pulls aggro better on pull than it used to. maybe i'm crazy idk

[jovial warren]

@oblique garnet my friend has it and said he is using it and it's a must for high keys? are you sure or is he stupid?

[oblique garnet]

He is stupid

[sick sentinel]

bote as a tank

🤔

[vernal stirrup]

bote is literally not an equippable essence for tanks

he's stupid

[winter swan]

if i post some logs from last nights raid can any1 look them over and see what i could do differently its only my 2nd week tanking as our tank bailed but im trying to get better

[runic tangle]

Will we ever get enough haste to take punish over into the fray as our 15 talent?

[vernal stirrup]

no

[junior ivy]

hi

[sick sentinel]

hello cat

[weary socket]

hey guys, do i allways use haste enchants? even with 2k haste?

*and gems

[honest frigate]

120 Strength gem then haste

[weary socket]

on weapon haste too or the new one?

[honest frigate]

Force multiplier

[weary socket]

thx

[winter swan]

whats the better weapon paralytic barb or the royal scaleguards battleaxe ? is the barbs use ability worth it ?

[warm plinth]

Are they the same item level?

[winter swan]

the battleaxe is 335 the bard is 330

[vernal stirrup]

battleaxe

[warm plinth]

Then the battleaxe is better. The barb's effect is pretty meh. It's a tiny DR that's never going to save your life, and it reduces your damage as well.

[vernal stirrup]

barbs is OK but weapon dps is king

and yes it also reduces your damage

[willow scarab]

wait did I read barb wrong

reduces damage taken and damage done by 10%?

[warm plinth]

No, that's it

[willow scarab]

I thought it was +10% dmg -10% taken

and i fucking macrod it to avatar

whilst trying to get logs tonight

[warm plinth]

Lolol

[willow scarab]

and somehow still got 2 rank 1s

fuck me

why did i

damn...

[warm plinth]

That's a RIP

[onyx abyss]

Damn that's crazy

[warm plinth]

What did you get rank 1 on Fum?

[willow scarab]

heroic azshara and queen's court i think

I've got 3 rank 1s on mythic, 5 on heroic and 3 on normal I think

[warm plinth]

Nice

[willow scarab]

but I haven't done normal since the first week

I can't believe...

how stupid...

i was

literally 10% less damage for the majority of bloodlust AND the entire avatar

because i can't read

[vernal stirrup]

o o f

[warm plinth]

😦

[willow scarab]

That means the rank 1s I lost but got top 10 on

i coulda...

and i was sitting here wondering why my logs weren't as good as they should have bene...

i'm gonna go catch up on sleep so i don't make more mistakes like this

[strong forum]

Ha Mr fumei

Looks like we need to read up

👀

[junior ivy]

who wants to add me on pokemon go i need more friends

my code is 0129 1981 7337

[oblique garnet]

Press F for fumeiyo

[warm plinth]

F for reading comprehension

😢

[junior ivy]

@willow scarab

add me

or else

[warm plinth]

Wow cat, that guy worked hard drawing that pfp for you and you already changed it

smh

[strong forum]

L

[true plover]

What minor are you guys running for M+ this week?

[sick sentinel]

Only got the 1 minor and I'm not pushing high at all (around 12's) and i'm going the normal major and conflict and strife for minor.

And I've been playing prot since vanilla and I just joined the server like 20 min ago so Hai ^^

[warm plinth]

👋

[tawny maple]

@true plover I'm running CoF major and VoP minor

[unkempt palm]

I’m running the standard visions major and lucid minor

Haven’t switched them up at all lol

[true plover]

@tawny maple CoF over Visions? I thought Visions was by far our best

[red wedge]

CoF is better single target dps. And you still get the shortened CD for Avatar with VoP minor.

[tawny maple]

Cof is big titty ST dmg

[junior ivy]

convergence of fates

[tawny maple]

Makes the big bad bosses and dangerous mobs go bye bye

[true plover]

Any idea how much more st dmg over visions it is?

Is blood mallet accurate?

[junior ivy]

wheres @willow scarab

make sure he adds me

[shut summit]

🗞 🐱

[true plover]

@tawny maple What key levels are you running this week?

[tawny maple]

@true plover 13-16s

Pug life baby

[sick sentinel]

This week is easy

[marble cipher]

I don't like the combo too much tbf

[true plover]

Was thinking of running Vision/Sphere for necrotic but mighht just try CoF/Vision if it works really well. I'm running the same key levels

[marble cipher]

But wouldn't call it overly hard

I usually run Visions/CoF. Switched to sphere major this week

[true plover]

It seems like people run so many different combos

[tawny maple]

Oh yeah I don't like CoF I think it's boring AF but it does like good damage so

[marble cipher]

I'll almost exclusively run Visions major though, dem avatars 🤤

[sick sentinel]

Exclusively running visions as well

But I don't raid as prot

CoF is conflict and strife or am i missing something?

🤔

[marble cipher]

Crucible of Flames

The neck level one

[sick sentinel]

oh, is that actually a dps increase over vision? 😮 I mean, I'm having issues with not getting rid off my rage already and then add another GCD for that 🤔

[true plover]

Is CoF on the gcd?

[red wedge]

Yes

[true plover]

ah dam

[tawny maple]

@sick sentinel it's better ST damage

@sick sentinel also if you're having issue getting rid of you rage IP more

[sick sentinel]

Oh yeah, i was thinking wrong. I basically can't IP more. Atleast it feels that way xD

[tawny maple]

Then you should pull bigger / do harder content

Cause you a boss

[sick sentinel]

While i'm here and b4 i forget. I got another 430 head so i have 1 with bastion and the engi goggles (430) that ofc has defeaning crash. I do have bastion of might on both chest and shoulders. Should i be using goggles for def or go triple bastion?

[warm plinth]

Do you have DC on another piece?

[sick sentinel]

Nope, either 3x bast or double bast+DC

[warm plinth]

Then do double bastion + DC

[tawny maple]

The 2 BOM

[oblique garnet]

^

[tawny maple]

I miss having two Bom

Or three

[warm plinth]

I have 0 right now 😬

[oblique garnet]

Imagine not having 3x BoM lul

[warm plinth]

But my war is still a baby so I have room to grow

[tawny maple]

Feels bad Gnash

[warm plinth]

Only 418

[sick sentinel]

I bonus rolled radiance helm

[warm plinth]

😮

[sick sentinel]

yea that's what i was thinking aswell. Didn't realise i only had 1 of em atm. Something it feels like i'm missing atm tho is DPS. I kinda feel... obsolete like a concrete wall jsut spamming flashy lightning bolts xD

[tawny maple]

I got lucky and got the Kraken shoulders week 1

[sick sentinel]

I coined the court trink first kill, I don't raid but was pugging for that and the court trink

[exotic spoke]

@oblique garnet

[oblique garnet]

🙂

[exotic spoke]

I only have 2 when I do M+ and I hate it

Also - 269 games on steam and dont feel like playing any of them >.>

[sick sentinel]

@exotic spoke 😮

[warm plinth]

@exotic spoke Dark Souls Remastered imo

[exotic spoke]

dont have dark souls

[warm plinth]

269 games and no Dark Souls

For shame sir

[exotic spoke]

lol

Whats a good fast paced shooter? Think thats what Im feeling right now

[tawny maple]

In the MDI do they just pick 445 or can they pick WF/TF pieces as well?

[exotic spoke]

set ilvl

[tawny maple]

I see

[oblique garnet]

@exotic spoke Battalion 1944 is fast paced shooter

[warm plinth]

Cuphead is a fast paced shooter I hear

😂

[exotic spoke]

not the shooter Im looking for ghash

Though cuphead is somethign I need to pick up

Late - CS set in 1944?

[vernal stirrup]

@exotic spoke titan fall 2 and apex legends

[oblique garnet]

its like mix of everything tbh set in 1944

really fast paced

[true plover]

Is there any way to "best" set up CoF in an m+ run or just use it on cd?

[exotic spoke]

Checking it out. thanks also mr. 2012.

Part of me wishes old school CoD games / games like that were big instead of BR games

On CD Nem - as long as you don't overwrite the buff at the very beginning when you have two charges availabl;e

[vernal stirrup]

titanfall2 is just a straight up arena shooter like cod

but with the best movement I've ever seen in a game

and also giant robots

[exotic spoke]

Yeah - but its not on steam and also its like CoD future shit right?

[oblique garnet]

oh you like old school cod?

Then you are gonna like battalion

[exotic spoke]

Im old 😦 Give me like MW 1 - MW 3

[vernal stirrup]

advanced warfare ripped off the jump pack from titanfall, yes

[exotic spoke]

Or cod1-3 as well

[vernal stirrup]

and did it way worse

[exotic spoke]

Yeah I never liked AW

[warm plinth]

I'm looking forward to the reboot of MW

Super excited

[vernal stirrup]

titanfall2 also has the best campaign of any shooter imo

[outer dew]

Still waiting for this wc3 reskin

[exotic spoke]

Go go gadget steam wallet from CSGO Gambling. Awwww still paying dividends