Unless im horribly wrong
#protection
strong forum
analog creek
Dk can also get away with extremely offensive setups
willow scarab
I thin Ashvane onwards is definitely favouring tanky play
exotic spoke
I know man. And if they told me about it, I’ll tell them the same thing - until it becomes a problem I will run the tanks my way. Itsworked since I came back in EN and it has continued to work.
If they feel they need more survivability then so be it. They need to talk to the healing core and I maintain close conversations with healing lead.
If it gets a problem I address it
willow scarab
Surprisingly Za'Qul doesn't pump as hard as you expect it to at all
exotic spoke
Our BdK needs to go full tank
willow scarab
I'm still coining for an urchin to use on za'qul but just to over-prep myself
sick sentinel
Anyone know if there are azerite pieces that have both bastion of might and brace for impact? Im on mobile right now
strong forum
Ashvane warden cuirass @sick sentinel
sick sentinel
Is that dungeons or ep?
analog creek
I did 30man heroic zaqul week one, he was pumping me then...
random urchin
That’s raid @sick sentinel
analog creek
I am still using a 430 shield, I cried last night when my orgazoa coin gave me AP
unborn island
Pug- 'why don't you gear for defence, you're an idiot, tanks shouldn't do damage'
Me- 'I ate a 540k bloodbolt to the face/messed up cd's no gearing fixes that'
Pug - 'Lol, some tank, you need to LTP'
Me - 'Yes. I did fuck up at that point, but it's got nothing to do with my gearing'
Pug - 'Lol scrub, welcome to ignore'
Me - /facepalm
actual conversation which happens a lot
willow scarab
I only just got my 445 last week so I'm with you don't worry, it gets better. I had a 420
strong forum
Don't accept playing wrong vs pugs
random urchin
Yep had something similar in an AD key I ran lat night lol
strong forum
They don't know reason
red wedge
The prot pally in my guild got a 450 rezan's with a socket last night from his weekly 10. Bastard.
willow scarab
Just don't make a mistake and then they won't have anything to say
rezan suck now
better options in game
red wedge
Still 450 with a socket :P
analog creek
Loose, the only part missing in that story is said persons interrupt not being on cd
random urchin
Kiting a big group to drop stacks. Dps goes and cleaves down 4 enemies. I did to bursting because I can’t heal. “Lol tank you so squishy”
It then happens again on the next pull 😑
unborn island
ah yes, interrupt not being on CD is always my favourite
hard sigil
hmm how is tradewinds passive? compared to iron fortress
unborn island
funny thing is, those types of conversation don't happen in high keys, where things like that 540k bloodbolt actually happen
it's people in 10-15's last season who are dreadful
also, 9/10 they are Demon Hunters
@willow scarab agree, but everyone makes mistakes occasionally 😃
analog creek
I'd probably take fortress over tradewinds, tradewinds should give more dps though
unborn island
especially filthy casuals like me
red wedge
Bursting is so much easier to handle on higher keys. I went into an 11 yesterday to see some emissary placements, and we died so much to bad bursting because of dots even when we backed off :P
random urchin
Yeah. It helps that on higher keys people tend to pay attention to bursting stacks too...
hard sigil
@analog creek thx
unborn island
people pay attention/it takes more time for shit to die anyway
random urchin
In the 10-13 range I see most people don’t seem to care/notice
analog creek
Trying to farm 10/12 this week with pug healers as a well geared tank wont go well. I might suggest taking off your pants
random urchin
Lol
exotic spoke
@willow scarab I don’t expect them to go full dps for ashvane. But just to do as much as they can based on their roles. It’s a fine line - to figure out what’s right. I’m certainly only using some offensive things
unborn island
sword and shield only
and maybe neck/rings
and trinkets
pro trnasmog
naked tank
random urchin
I just started getting my warr geared up in season 3 stuff last week. Hard to pug higher keys when your gear isn’t quite there yet
unborn island
anyone else annoyed that you can transmog your shield into a 'held in off hand' item?
sick sentinel
I got kicked from a pug for dpsint as prot : (
unborn island
I want to block things with the fish, dammit
sick sentinel
Was doing like 25k until they wiped
exotic spoke
I mean - were you taking a fuck ton of damage?
Where you supposed to tank or supposed to dps bobbyboon? If you’re supposed to dps you shouldn’t be in prot
exotic spoke
Glad spec doesn’t exist any more. It makes perfect sense why they kicked you
exotic spoke
No, not wrong - you’re fucking over the other tanks who are supposed to actually tank by doing that
exotic spoke
Your threat gen is going to be significantly higher - trust me it will with the higher dps - and that can cause the boss to turn, not move when they expect it if you take it at the wrong time, give extra debuff out, etc
You’re being selfish for doing sub par dps (though good for a tank) when you get invited as a dps - you should have been fury and done more dps
sick sentinel
When I’m doing 4x more damage than the tanks that just means they need to up their game
Also it’s insurance
If one of the tanks get smacked and die I can take over
little sun
🤦
sick sentinel
Pretty sure they call what this guy has a god complex
warm plinth
Can you imagine how mad Nim would be if he was here right now? 😂
exotic spoke
Bobbyboon, you realize not all tanks can do the same dps we can - by design.
You’re being selfish. I would have kicked you in a pug too. I would also kick you from my guild if you where on my raid team with an attitude like that
exotic spoke
You’re part of a team - where the whole is greater than the sum of the parts.
Nome - he queued as dps and isn’t tanking at all
willow scarab
Prot is a dps spec though
strong forum
Every spec can do 30k nowadays
exotic spoke
Fume - not now
strong forum
Even bdk
exotic spoke
And yes, but he could do more as fury without causing. Problems for the raid because they didn’t expect a third tank
strong forum
Not guardian though
willow scarab
Guardian is very nice
I want a guardian alt but without levelling and gearing and grinding ap/essences
random urchin
Lol. I would like a few alts without having to do all the grinding and neck catching up.
willow scarab
essences and AP should be baseline but only be able to be achieved once
random urchin
If essences were account wide that alone would encourage me to gear an alt.
exotic spoke
The issue I have with his scenario is purely the expectations set when he joined raid.
You queue and join as DPS you do fury or arms. You queue as tank - you do prot. Max out your dps either way
hearty hemlock
I really see no problem. If he wants to go prot and dps, let him. If he queued for tank and stayed in a dps spec, that's an issue
But from the sounds of it, he queued to dps - as prot
Let the man be
willow scarab
wtf kind of thinking is that
queue as dps : bro it's okay you can stay prot
queue as tank: mmmmmm better go prot, you're not stupid right?
nice double standard
The 2 other specs are designed to do more damage than the spec designed to take less damage
If you wanted to dps as prot you should have been playing in 2015
hearty hemlock
That's the way of life. If you can still do damage while in a spec which isn't designed to be a "main dps" spec, and just want to dps
exotic spoke
The problem is a proper dps can do more dps than that.
The problem is he’s potentially causing threat issues for other tanks who aren’t expecting that
25k dps is subpar dps for a dps player
willow scarab
Maybe if you're pugging a weekly 3/8 normal clear you can do stupid shit like that
exotic spoke
It’s good for a tank when you have to juggle survivability / dps - but I would kick him too
hearty hemlock
I mean, sure. Threat will be a bit more of a problem - but that just means they need to work a bit more to keep the threat. I wouldn't care in a pug. Then again, I really don't pug at all
warm plinth
Yeah if there weren’t a such thing as a threat multiplier, I would agree with you Xero. But he’s doing better than the average tank and in a tank spec which means there’s a pretty good likelihood that he could rip threat at a bad time.
exotic spoke
They shouldn’t have to fight a dps for threat. Especially in high movement or during his burst phases it will cause problems.
hearty hemlock
If they can't keep the threat at all, that's a situation where the user really should stop. But in a typical group, the two tanks who are actually having the boss shouldn't have a problem
exotic spoke
Overall, it adds more problems and headaches then the benefits it could theoretically bring
So fuck it - don’t do it
hearty hemlock
Especially if they're the starting ones who actually use taunt depending on threat percent
willow scarab
this is such a weird stance to take
how about you and your favourite co-tank pug a raid with me
i'll dps as prot
and we can talk about threat issues
warm plinth
Lol
exotic spoke
Oh can I join too?
hearty hemlock
That wouldn't be a problem :P
willow scarab
It's like
Why enter a marathon but purposefully cut off 1 leg
Just use the specs designed for damage
exotic spoke
I could probably rip it off you too and I do about 7k less than fumeiyo - though I did get another dps piece
warm plinth
Nah it’d be fine. Fum has all bad parses anyway 😏
exotic spoke
If you can hold Aggro off of a tank acting as dps when he does 37.5k dps then I’m impressed
willow scarab
i love grey logging
exotic spoke
But I guarantee you most tanks pugging wouldn’t be able to
willow scarab
What if people queue as healer but play boomkin and use the restoration affinity spells
Is that okay
blissful pebble
In any PUG i run I aim to eliminate any obvious barrier to success or anything likely to cause disharmony in the group. This qualifies under both he would be gone without an afterthought.
exotic spoke
agree joy
Gladiator is dead as a spec. It lived for one expansion....
Go play prot and tank with as much dps as you want or go fury / arms.
Otherwise gtfo the raid
@hearty hemlock how much dps do you do when actively tanking in a raid?
fluid lark
hey, anyone around that is a pro prot warr
willow scarab
@exotic spoke
exotic spoke
There are a couple that are pretty good right now
@willow scarab
Lol
Why you volunteer me like that Fumeiyo! I have shit luck with Tr. rolled shoulders last night. No BoM. Have DC and RF though
willow scarab
I've rolled 4 bad pieces, all I have is ashvan'e chest
exotic spoke
2 bad chests and 1 bad shoulders so far. Now I’m saving for chest I think. Then I’ll roll shoulders every other week
blissful pebble
Where do people stand on gamble vs save for specific (residuum)?
willow scarab
gamble if there are multiple good options in the slot
exotic spoke
Gamble on shoulders. I wouldn’t gamble on chest
40% of not getting the one chest I want by the time I random and would have had 200k Tr
blissful pebble
I got worst shoulder on my 1st attempt may make another this week.
blissful pebble
Yep majority are good I got the exception 😛
exotic spoke
Probably the same one I did
Have reckless fury on the outer ring and DC on the inner?
blissful pebble
willow scarab
i think i'm just gonna save up 200 and chuck it at them specifically
exotic spoke
RF + swirling sands or RF + DC
willow scarab
RF + sands
haste/attack speed synergizes amazingly with RF and sands is such a good haste proc
exotic spoke
But that’s for raid.
I just wanted it for m+ first
Was going to keep for parses - definitely not scrapping that
exotic spoke
Yeah - those are what I wanted. Guess I’m saving up for the next 12-14 weeks for chest and then shoulders
willow scarab
that's what you get for not having a 100 yet
strong forum
more like the other way around
i dont get 100s because of this
i dont even get the chance to
tawny maple
I got lucky with week one Krakens shoulders thank god
But my other two pieces don't have it
blissful pebble
I primarily want M+ optimised so not impressed with C'thraxxi Binders Pauldrons @willow scarab you like them for raid? Basing that on ST DPS?
willow scarab
when will blizzard bless me with a wep above 430
Yeah literally just the ST dps makes me want them for raid
they're not even good for prog, they're just a BEAUTIFUL piece of ST dps for prot
willow scarab
which is so awkward
strong forum
yup
strong forum
bfi + rf and op
willow scarab
just an awkward piece
strong forum
sounds great actually
willow scarab
doesn't feel good to use
floral bolt
would u consider this an upgrade? 🤔
willow scarab
Change the gem to haste
I would take it purely because your ilvl is probably 420 and so the extra 100 stamina is a big deal to you
blissful pebble
On Shoulder why the love for https://www.wowhead.com/item=159431/kraken-shell-pauldrons&bonus=1622#sold-by&azerite-powers=1 One of the nicer ones certainly but not the best (for M+) is it?
oblique garnet
RF + sands simming higher than kraken for you on patchwerk Fumeiyo? o.O
willow scarab
Bastion + Crash/Meticulous + UF + hatchet / bulwark depending on playstyle
perfect shoulders for m+
It's not just RF + sands
It's RF + SS + OP
blissful pebble
Wasn't especially looking for DC on shoulder so guess that is my blindspot. What in your view is the optimal mid teen M+ set then?
unborn island
3xBOM/2xIF/1xDC IMO
analog swift
Imo a brace for impact for dat prior damage
unborn island
although I guess you could swap the IF's for MS perhaps
true - BFI is nice for slams
wispy plume
blissful pebble
Fireblood does so suspect it might
random urchin
That would be huge if null removed necro
willow scarab
Can someone go test it asap
Volkhor might have just found the biggest piece of info of 8.2
This applies to every tank of every race
random urchin
If it works as it’s written I think it will work...
Since it’s worded the same way as dark iron passive
chrome falcon
Anyone remember which of the pvp trinkets is best for us?
chrome falcon
Got a 435 upgrade token and wondering which trinket to grab
red wedge
Bleeds aren't listed.
chrome falcon
435 badge is going to be better than 440 vial of animated blood though so eh
willow scarab
no it won't be
random urchin
Ah, forgot necro is technically a bleed even
red wedge
I thought they changed necrotic to a physical bleed, even though the application is magic based
willow scarab
It sounds like it should be better than vial and it definitely looks like it would be
the bit that makes it worse?
red wedge
So you can still AMS the application, but the debuff itself is a phys bleed, which sucks ass :P
willow scarab
Badge is 2 minute cd vial is 1m30
random urchin
Yeah, can shield the dmg but not the stacks I guess
willow scarab
Image not just skipping the entire necrotic week
blissful pebble
I dont have to imagine I am dark iron 😛
lunar jackal
guys does necrotic affect the edicts and urching trinkets from raid?
willow scarab
yes
warm plinth
I don't believe there's anything left in the game that necrotic does not affect as far as absorbs/heals go.
lunar jackal
kk i guess im switching trinkets then
unborn island
MDI teams filled with dwarfs...
warm plinth
But we'd be broken then lol
blissful pebble
Spell reflect helps
unborn island
SR does decrease the damage, right? or it used to
warm plinth
It does, yeah
unborn island
always ran the legs in legion on bursting weeks for that reason
well, not always, but when i was in groups which could do massive pulls 😃
unborn island
was very nice for like, the big pull of whole first area in Seat
prisma crane
well in Seat you'd actually jsut reflect their casts and boost group damage
warm plinth
I never did Seat beyond base Mythic, and I have no regrets lol
prisma crane
as well as hit them hard
i wore pants for that pull then swapped back to gloves+belt right after
chrome falcon
seat was a truly rancid dungeon
warm plinth
Krotos, check this M+ score man ✊
prisma crane
hell yea
warm plinth
Starting to get back into the swing of it. My Ava/Demo uptimes aren't where I'd like them to be though
prisma crane
i'm such a shitter these days, i dont think i've broken 1k in BFA, though i dont think i've ever had one of every key in a season either lol
warm plinth
Might need to spice up my WA a little bit until I'm more used to it
Ava uptime is only 30% (which sounds extra bad but I don't have Vision yet so maybe not as bad as it could be lol) and Demo is like 40% which should be quite a bit higher I think
prisma crane
i never logged M+ so i'm not sure where i sit, but maybe i should start
prisma crane
heh
frank otter
lmao
warm plinth
😂
prisma crane
that's what alts are for
warm plinth
But I am looking forward to getting some higher keys on the war. Gonna need a better shield before I get too much higher though
In the 9 Temple I did, I got a 425 belt (not an upgrade), bonus rolled, got a 425 ring (that I already had). I was like well fuck
395 shield feelsbad
exotic spoke
Feelsbadman
prisma crane
go for the ML shield
warm plinth
I'm just going for any shield tbh lol
prisma crane
did a ML 10 like 2 wks ago, healer and i both got 435s
warm plinth
Nice
carmine light
Got 440 servant splitter axe from chest to replace my 400 barb sword
415 shield still
prisma crane
all i've been doing really is selling keys and looting whatever i get
brittle ledge
How do you guys deal with the berserkers in kr?
warm plinth
Think our key turned into +10 AD which we're gonna do tonight so might get lucky there
sick sentinel
440 weapon
carmine light
Anyone use flame major this week?
sick sentinel
@brittle ledge you parry xd
if you didnt kite
let dh or rogue take it with parry
or dodge
brittle ledge
In fortified weeks seems so strong their debuf
sick sentinel
yes it is i suggest using engi helmet if you have it for delete bleeds
it helps alot
prisma crane
@brittle ledge you have to try to get the rest of your group to take it where they can
warm plinth
@brittle ledge If you have any pets in the group, just hang back when bleed is going out and it'll go on the pet because they're closer. You can also let DPS take it sometimes
sick sentinel
other then that use your team aswell
prisma crane
also, i heard if you stun them mid leap they don't apply it after? cant confirm though
brittle ledge
Mean getting away and a DPS taunts it to get the bleed?
warm plinth
No
sick sentinel
not needed for taunt
brittle ledge
Always apply after jump right?
prisma crane
no bleed goes to closest target
warm plinth
If they're closer, they'll get it
sick sentinel
they have to be close to target
prisma crane
yea its after the jump
sick sentinel
after some point in high keys even one stack starts becoming lethal so you get maybe couple with cds rest use your team and their defensives
dh can dodge rogues can parry and doge
red wedge
omg. I dont remember who I was talking to yesterday, but Swapblaster in Mechagon while running through those bots = Instant Hilarity.
brittle ledge
So just let a pet on it and stay away after the jump
sick sentinel
healer can soak one with cds
and some other
pets are really good for it aswell
but thats pretty much it
exotic spoke
One stack isn’t bad. Dps can help soak. Two stacks use CDs. Three stacks - start praying
prisma crane
dwarf, or nullification thing, etc
exotic spoke
Ghash - everyone’s disposable that isn’t me
warm plinth
If you're a dwarf/DID, I always blow Stoneform on 2nd stack
brittle ledge
Thanks to all
exotic spoke
If you ask the dps, they’ll say the same thing about themselves
warm plinth
lol
prisma crane
only thing worse in that place is the mini boss at the end
warm plinth
I mean, I'm sure the BM hunter will disagree that their pet is disposable XD
exotic spoke
Kite it Krotos
red wedge
I love having to save lust for a mini-boss on fortified weeks. Makes me so happy.
exotic spoke
And or have a dps take a hit or two with taunt
warm plinth
Yeah just kite it on higher keys. Step in/out max range
brittle ledge
If the dps takes too long to kill it's a wipr
warm plinth
Zul can suck it
red wedge
Kiting that asshole on skittish week sucked sooo much. lol
prisma crane
i think i just need more mechagnome rep and use the major for that place
exotic spoke
But... but yourbdps?
warm plinth
D:
warm plinth
Yeah how do you get big boy deeps in slime room without Anima? 🤔
exotic spoke
Honestly hate Kr. Can’t pull super huge there because of the types of mobs. So going tanks doesn’t help.
Also, because of the types of mobs, they fucking hurt so can’t go full dps
prisma crane
it was worse when we couldnt block ranged attacks
the one mini event mob that spams arrows
warm plinth
Yeah, Shoot from the one miniboss? 😄
prisma crane
always death
exotic spoke
I’m sorry - I don’t remember that part. Maybe I blocked it out cause it was cancer
prisma crane
lol
warm plinth
It's brutal when I watch our DK tanks do that fight
Just getting chunked every hit
My pally gets hit decently hard too, even with SotR up
prisma crane
i have zero sympathy for the 2IQ kings of Legion M+
exotic spoke
To be fair, I didn’t play much during uldir. Hated how it played and wasn’t having fun.
Part of the burn out cycle I go through contributed greatly I’m sure
warm plinth
There there Krotos, it's over
Until next expansion when they overbuff them during the expansion rework
prisma crane
theoretically new class next xpac so it'll be their turn
warm plinth
It would be cool to see another tank spec
As long as it's not insanely gimmicky or something
warm plinth
We don't know
brittle owl
prob not another tank
red wedge
Ohhh.. So we just know there's another class being added?
warm plinth
We assume there is, since they've added a new one every couple of expansions
red wedge
okes :)
warm plinth
And there are "leaks" out that claim to know what it'll be
prisma crane
MoP yes, Wod no, Legion Yes, BFA no, etc
red wedge
Yar. I gotcha
exotic spoke
Every other new class has had a tank spec
They need new ranged classes
prisma crane
^
exotic spoke
Since vanilla the net change of ranged specs is
-1
prisma crane
i think it needs to be closer to a hunter style as well
warm plinth
I mean, no reason they can't do a class with a tank spec and a ranged dps spec
shut summit
👀
warm plinth
No, not what I meant. Please fuck no
There's no way that wouldn't be either completely useless or totally broken in my mind
exotic spoke
You mean VDH?
prisma crane
but so niche that you'd need it if it's good
exotic spoke
I kid I kid
prisma crane
what do you want in a new class Sense?
warm plinth
I want one that has an on-hit debuff that makes every mob take 50% extra damage from prot warriors
😏
prisma crane
works for me
warm plinth
But yeah idk. I wouldn't mind another ranged DPS, especially if we could have another short-interrupt one like ele
warm plinth
Or hell, just make the new expansion fix the interrupt issue that makes ranged less desirable in M+
prisma crane
like a super ele shaman
exotic spoke
Make it a ranged dps / ranged healer / melee dps (Maybe on melee)
red wedge
Another ranged physical damage class would be nice.
prisma crane
or a sneaky ranged class
warm plinth
Great opportunity to balance interrupt requirements
exotic spoke
Lol
prisma crane
yea, and magic
red wedge
They really just need to normalize interrupts by giving every spec a 20s.
prisma crane
but physical magic
warm plinth
I would like another ranged spec like BM that has no limit on mobility though, in all seriousness
Main reason I don't play more ranged is because I don't like turreting
exotic spoke
@red wedge indont think that’s a good idea for balance. Would severely hurt melee in the raiding scene
Ranged have an easier time maintaining up time and a ranged interrupt so they can get to where they need for the interrupt mroebeasily.
Giving them the same amount of CD on kick would be even more of an excuse not to take melee
warm plinth
Probably
red wedge
Yea. @exotic spoke. I get that. I was thinking strictly M+
warm plinth
It's not a bad choice for tyrannical
red wedge
But I see the balance issue for raids.
warm plinth
I think it'd be easier to balance M+ around interrupts than balance interrupts around M+
exotic spoke
I agree something needs to be done. But I don’t think that’s the best solution.
Right now there’s a definite preference:
M+ mostly melee
Raids mostly ranged
red wedge
So stupid.. Raids for Ranged, Melee for M+. Hatred.
warm plinth
Just make chain interrupts less needed in M+ and make mechanics focus on something else
Like avoiding things or something like that
exotic spoke
More movement would favor certain ranged classes as the mobs getting dragged around wouldn’t necessarily take them out of range as easily
warm plinth
Yeah, but giving a little benefit to ranged wouldn't necessarily be bad right now
exotic spoke
Specifically, regarding shroud which I know is a major issue, I think a consumable should be added
carmine light
Ok a trash mob has an ability where everyone need to eat food for 10 full seconds within a 14 second window or they wipe. Make it before last boss so if they wipe they have to walk back
warm plinth
Or just take the shared CD off invis pots entirely
exotic spoke
The more I thought about it the more I don’t think that’s enough ghash
warm plinth
Could also make it so shroud/invis has a charge system like battle rez, but I almost don't even want to say that out loud
exotic spoke
That would be a bad idea - because then you’re incentivizing to take as many stealth classes as possible to make up for the fact that you can’t shroud / invis as much
red wedge
Remember stealth dungeon groups in vanilla? lol. All rogues and druids.
exotic spoke
You’ll still see 3 rogue 1 Druid heal + tank
Where the tank just death runs to the next point to get texted
warm plinth
Yeah that's true
exotic spoke
Where as a consumable item for shroud makes it so everyone has access, and anyclass can then stealth
warm plinth
So just an item that puts up a shroud just like the spell around the person who uses it?
exotic spoke
Pretty much.
warm plinth
That'd be neat
exotic spoke
It’s not elegant. But I think it addresses the issue and potential repercussions of other possible solutions
warm plinth
inb4 Blizz takes the other extreme and just makes it impossible to skip any trash 😂
red wedge
They're already moving that direction with Void Emissaries :P
exotic spoke
The other solution is nerf rogue utility bit that’s a class identity since vanilla
warm plinth
Every dungeon will just have the exact trash count you need to finish it 😂
wild stump
Anyone doing zaqul recently? Hoping it was actually fixed, last night I was taking a dicking in heroic
exotic spoke
They upped damage from mind tether from 50% to 100%
Are you MTing or being OT Ukhai?
wild stump
I'm MT with dk OT
exotic spoke
What the fuck is hitting your oT then
wild stump
But whenever adds pile up on DK tank I seem to just blow ip
exotic spoke
Do you have logs?
wild stump
Uhh yeah one sec
exotic spoke
Honestly dps needs to burn the adds down faster in all likelyhood
Before even looking at them
exotic spoke
I got it, typed it in on a browser since I’m on my phone
Your IP casts aren’t lining up with the damage from mind tether
Like on wipe 3, you have 15 IP casts. And 5 avatars. There are periods where you’re taking a lot of mind tether damage but not using many IP
wild stump
Kk I'll try and manage that better
exotic spoke
It looks like there are times you two got pretty separated on the replay.
I have a hard time judging distance on the replay - but wipe 3 around 2:05 you start to get apart and there is a tether up
wild stump
Yeah those times trying to get ot to move to to the eruption a bit sooner with me
Me leaping too much probably because I wasn't paying attention to timers earlier
exotic spoke
Adds may stay up in him too long
Your dps is focusing the other caster adds - not the adds beating on him towards the end.
Drag the boss / adds to the casters and cleave then down?
wild stump
Ranged dps heals could stack better to help us get em pulled sooner
shut summit
yup
exotic spoke
Truth - magic damage is fun
hearty lichen
Anyone know if the raid haste trinket is any good for prot?
rapid tide
Vision of Demise?
rapid tide
Sucks quite badly afaik.
hearty lichen
Ah rip
rapid tide
Rezan's should be a good chunk better or Overclock Punchcard.
hearty lichen
Anyone have experience using the dodge red punch card (I know I went from dps to mitigation)
warm plinth
How much haste is Rezan's at that ilevel?
rapid tide
Should be a bit over 900
hearty lichen
I have a 425 dodge card
warm plinth
I don't have experience with it, but can't imagine it's particularly great to use for general purpose. You have to stack it up and then keep it stacked with only 6 seconds of leeway
rapid tide
The dodge card was nerfed quite heavily, don't think it's good anymore.
warm plinth
It's like 25% dodge at 99 stacks iirc, which is still pretty huge. It's just getting the stacks up and then maintaining it that would make it kinda meh for me.
rapid tide
I don't see you realyl stacking it up and even then I'd probably just want something else that gives me value on all pulls not just on big ones.
warm plinth
Don't think any dungeon makes it particularly easy to maintain. All it takes is a lucky string of parries (or dodges, since you have a lot more with that trinket) and the buff is gone
hearty lichen
Ok what about the 750 heal every 1 second card?
rapid tide
Uff.
warm plinth
Wouldn't even consider it
hearty lichen
Terrible?
rapid tide
your choices really are... interesting 😄
hearty lichen
Haha I have soooo many trinkets these are all just new things I have no clue about and was curious
Been using the 445 briny barnacle lmao
warm plinth
Barnacle isn't ideal but there are worse trinkets
warm plinth
Wow lol
unborn island
Exact same item
hearty lichen
But I use 400ilvl opulence for mitigation because I dont have any new raid trinkets with Rezans because it feels the best
exotic spoke
What trinkets do you have pretep
exotic spoke
And are you talking about m+ or tanking in raids?
warm plinth
I wouldn't, especially not with several 430 options. Rezan+Block if you have all the M+ trinkets
strong forum
tfw you get 27k dps on sivarra, check talents and realize you didn play deva
exotic spoke
Oof Nome
warm plinth
😬
sand egret
sounds like a 96 parser to me
hearty lichen
I tank both m+ and raid
exotic spoke
I mean - this week the answer I give for m+ may be different
unborn island
rnjesus...really
hearty lichen
Raid is only as backup
rapid tide
Nice head 😄
inland mesa
hmmm random two chests, or just save and buy Ashvane?
sand egret
uh...what other options you got on that CR slot
exotic spoke
But, if you have all of the m+ trinkets like I think was mentioned - gore crusted butchers block and rezan for m+ definitely this week
sand egret
woof
exotic spoke
Yes chew toy - save and buy imo
hearty lichen
So I guess mostly m+
sand egret
honestly, TW is like poorman's BoM
inland mesa
I'm already at like 100k, so that's what...4 weeks?
exotic spoke
I would ditch the opulence gem. 30 Ilvl is a lot
sick sentinel
@unborn island no reason to roll head when radiance has an amazing head
exotic spoke
Yeah man - save it @inland mesa
rapid tide
I think I will keep the Mecha HM Helm for now, buy Ashvane chest next.
And then buy helmet.
unborn island
@sick sentinel I have killed 1 raid boss in EP, on LFR 😃
inland mesa
I finally got Radiance helm last night
sick sentinel
aw rip
rapid tide
435 helmet is yikes but replacing DC+BoM Helmet is kinda a pain.
unborn island
so won't be getting that
inland mesa
and cache gave me 455 crit haste boots 😄
sand egret
not everyone has that raid life access 😃
hearty lichen
@exotic spoke I also have inkpod and razor coral 430 do you think the crit for parry this week is best? In my that is...
rapid tide
:))
inland mesa
rolled it, I've gotten like all my gear this tier with bonus rolls, no 445 weapon yet though 😦
exotic spoke
@hearty lichen I think crit for dps and the added benefit of parry is nice but not the reason why.
hearty lichen
Game loves giving me trinkets for no reason and I accidentally rolled tank on mythic sivarra last night and got weap 445 lol
@exotic spoke so it dies faster?
Less stacks of necro?
exotic spoke
We don’t need the survivability in most cases.
Also, parry is less streaky in m+ due to the volume of attacks
red wedge
@unborn island That's the same helm I got yesterday. My first and only 445 azerite so far. So depressing :P
hearty lichen
Ty for the info @ancient dew and chat
It's funny because in my high key push group the healer encourages me to go full dps. I only consider more mitigation when I pug keys
sick sentinel
My healer asked me to "go faster this time" because she doesn't use any CDs during trash
warm plinth
Proper play will contribute far more to survival than using a defensive trinket. And since block is so strong (especially in M+), it's definitely worth it to go more offensive.
warm plinth
You guys need to learn from @oblique garnet how to pull big
hearty lichen
This week is just expensive with me using 10 slysteps per key lol
warm plinth
That's no fun
sick sentinel
because they are standing in shit
exotic spoke
Sounds like a dps problem
warm plinth
Sounds like a healer problem
sick sentinel
or not interrupting shit
exotic spoke
Both?
sick sentinel
both!
warm plinth
Definitely not a tank problem, in either case
hearty lichen
Running with a hunter saves me speed pots lol
oblique garnet
`?
hearty lichen
18wcm gotta run to drop necro stacks on the right side
Hunter clown trap OP
Slow trap*
exotic spoke
It’ll be fine. Most of the time you shouldn’t need to kite.
hearty lichen
Stacks get to 40 quick and then bursting (usually 40 is fine, but bursting makes it tough)
hearty lichen
98 no benthic gear 0_o
strong forum
can get 99 but i dont have any BoM either
hearty lichen
Pepehands no bastion no benthic
strong forum
you cannot block its attacks
exotic spoke
On radiance?
strong forum
its physical nature damage
sage niche
jesus fucking stupid adds
strong forum
just cant block it
exotic spoke
You can’t block them. Demo / spell reflect / ignore pain
hearty lichen
Yea have to think about not spending rage on block for that fight
I always do it :[
harsh hollow
does anyone know if island expeditions will be faster with heirloom gear than straight questing?
oblique garnet
shouldve leveled with timewalking
also random dungeons take like 3 hours from 110-120
prisma crane
tbh
i hate leveling
to the point where i'd just wait until TW comes back around
cuz it's so fast
oblique garnet
normal dungeons are also like 3 hours when you level with full heirlooms + xp pot
prisma crane
yea it's not too bad
at least with TW though, if you have max level people with you you can get a decent head start on gear too
carmine light
@harsh hollow I have level two alts by just doing island expeditions in battle grounds. Use the experience potion and the heirlooms. And if you have flying and all the flight points go ahead and do incursions.
Also on Druid when herbing each one gave like 3-6 k
inland bolt
How is the Arcane heart trait on prot warrior atm?
ive seen some chinese players run it in high keys and some prot wars bring it to raid prog
exotic spoke
How do your dps perform andanaelle
void berry
You can look for Adamantra on wlog, it really depends.
I can't really say for this boss tho, we'll see.
Trying the 2 P2 as a starter
void berry
They usually do ok. We got some really good ones, and some meh ones.
Tonight some of our best are missing but hey
At least we'll train.
Our comp is really sucky, I didn't notice.
west kayak
So I sim'd Devastator with my current gear and it was a 2k+ DPS increase on Patchwork. Not sure if im ok with losing the instant 40 Rage.
Went from ~25k DPS to `27k DPS @ ilvl 437.
undone sun
👏
sand egret
👢 🍵
warm plinth
Clap boot soup?
warm plinth
RIP
tame citrus
is there somewhere I can find info on using the Reckless Flurry azerite trait, and whether is worth the defensive trade off of other traits?
void berry
@strong forum best pull 96% for now :kappa:
undone sun
if you plan on using RF you don't care about defensive
tame citrus
I've just seen lots of people using it in logs
undone sun
to increase damage output, from what i hear the tank damage in EP isn't substantial so more people are feeling the need to extend their DPS more
tame citrus
700 dps doesn't seem worth it
strong forum
theres hardly any trait giving more dps
exotic spoke
If you don’t need the survivability then it’s worth it
Judge based on your content and your healers
undone sun
yup
tame citrus
does it stack?
strong forum
yes
sick sentinel
is there a way to sim pieces that you dont have?
tame citrus
I tried running 2 of them last progression night and I eneded up have to switch back to more defensive
exotic spoke
And it also stacks with devastator. Again - judge if you can lose survivability based on your situation
tame citrus
guess I'll just have to play with it more
lusty grotto
@oblique garnet they're talking about your favorite subject
exotic spoke
Leech?
lusty grotto
no his third favorite subject
exotic spoke
M+?
lusty grotto
... yes
exotic spoke
Lol ❤
undone sun
leech in M+
oblique garnet
?`
undone sun
😏
exotic spoke
I think you’re on to something Thyme
undone sun
👀
warm plinth
Late is such an eloquent speaker
exotic spoke
Should I drop Ilvl for it?
warm plinth
"?"
oblique garnet
Im doing ap sweeps atm
warm plinth
I think you mean damaging your brain cells
undone sun
whatever's left anyways
warm plinth
After leeching up a storm
oblique garnet
Well my monk is now 440 with 60 neck 8)
warm plinth
You're a psycho
oblique garnet
Azhara must die
gusty depot
what ilvl do you guys think would be acceptable before trying to pug mechagon? im a pretty new tank wanting to get my esssence from king mech
warm plinth
Did you see the balance druid in Big Dumb Guild who has zero raid prog, an 800 score, and a level 69 necklace?
exotic spoke
Good luck late.
I think Nim summoned you because we were talking about devastator / RF
oblique garnet
yeah buckethead
warm plinth
I just have to ask myself, why
Is he the one guy that Blizzard had in mind when they invented islands? He just loves them and enjoys them as his only content?
warm plinth
@gusty depot 405-410 should be fine if you're not going for hard mode
oblique garnet
RF not evastator
exotic spoke
And the answer given was - base your decision on your situation / your raid. If you want to give up survivability for dps and you / your healers can cover it no problem then fine
gusty depot
Thanks Ghash. I'm 404 ilvl, i spose thats close enough.
exotic spoke
I honestly think it’s kinda boring since I have open GCDs at times
And nothing to hit.... I’m like../ what do I do with my hands....
undone sun
same argument was had when Deva was first introduced in legion, but as soon as it was good no one looked back @exotic spoke
lusty grotto
yea
exotic spoke
So true Thyme.
lusty grotto
you gotta siphon legion
and spam the shit out of Shield Slam
like literally mash the key
exotic spoke
It all depends on what’s good or nots
undone sun
GachiGasm
sick sentinel
how do i sim gear that i dont currently own?
lusty grotto
spamming thunderclap? INCORRECT
spam that shield slam
so if you got used to bootyclapping it takes a minute to get used to
exotic spoke
undone sun
i legitimately miss T21
strong forum
SS > TC
exotic spoke
Antorus?
strong forum
change my mind
warm plinth
I...don't tbh
undone sun
yeah
exotic spoke
yeah that was fun
strong forum
uses battle cry SS SS SS SS SS ( in a 1 sec window )
lusty grotto
it kinda turns around
undone sun
it's not much different from how it is now tbh
instead of TC is was SS, and instead of Avatar activating it it was Battle cry
also F for my boy Battle cry
lusty grotto
just SS and TC
exotic spoke
F
grand drum
yep my SS does slightly more damage during ava
lusty grotto
dunno
exotic spoke
@sick sentinel not sure exactly.
lusty grotto
i guess ill have to keep a lookout
warm plinth
could just be close enough that traits might make the difference
warm plinth
D-D-D-DROPTIMIZER
sick sentinel
i wanna see how well stacking RF and Bfi sims for me
warm plinth
But no, there is a way
Hang on
Gear compare I think is where you can do shit you don't have
exotic spoke
I really should think multiple times before I say something snarky
Because if I don’t I’m sure it’ll end poorly for me
undone sun
i think multiple times to be snarky
sick sentinel
yeah gear compare thank you
exotic spoke
Trying to improve on my mecha hardmode hunt for rank 4
But yeah - on the hunt to remove 3 deaths from last week
sand egret
you trying to run deathless i take it?
sick sentinel
lmao stacking RF and bfi with devastator and HR adds 4k dps
exotic spoke
Yeah blade. Had zero wipes and 3 deaths last week
sand egret
I'm pretty sure you don't need deathless for Rank 4 tho..
sand egret
but not on hardmode
exotic spoke
It is
undone sun
hardmode is required
sand egret
undone sun
everything states hard mode
exotic spoke
“Before the destruction of all organic life” means hardmode
undone sun
can you read
sand egret
so wtf is the king doing on ezmode?
exotic spoke
Fall over?
sand egret
if he's not trying to bring destruction to all organic life
exotic spoke
Dying... I believe he’s dying
sand egret
hmm well I guess that makes sense, but it certainly doesn't say "hard mode!" MR SNARKY @undone sun
undone sun
good luck with blizzard transparency
exotic spoke
They are as transparent as concrete
sand egret
Well I guess normal mode is more "destruction of some non-robotic life" (although, I guess this does solidify the philosophical stance on "life" in the WoW universe as it applies to robots)
exotic spoke
I just realized it
He’s robotic right?
And he wants to commit mass genocide....
He’s mecha Hitler
sand egret
basically
but WoW has always had their versions of Hitler. We had Icy-Death Hitler, we had Orc Hitler, now we got Robo-Hitler
lusty grotto
Banshee-Hitler though
lusty grotto
hmm
modern brook
😮
lusty grotto
nimchy is a rude bitch
modern brook
nimchip is the worst to run with TBH
lusty grotto
homeless rude bitch
modern brook
sometimes its 12am
modern brook
I wisp'd at 8pm yesterday and u gave me nothing
lusty grotto
hmm impossible
exotic spoke
I mean - you’re right Bull.
And you know I’d take that for a nimchy. At least he’s an actual dps specced player.....
lusty grotto
yes hes Assiance
modern brook
☢
lusty grotto
exotic spoke
lusty grotto
shit i gotta learn to play fire now
modern brook
I have to relearn outlaw
i got a 440 one hander
and i just fucking destroy'd some poor guys 13 shrine
lusty grotto
so rude
exotic spoke
Truth
formal thicket
What is best slot to target from my+ vendor?
oblique garnet
👏🏻
modern brook
👏
mystic ferry
What do you guys think of sphere minor? Is it good enough for dropping necrotic to run this week? Or not until 65 beck
warm plinth
😢
modern brook
@mystic ferry take this opinion with a grain of salt: you have 4 other classes with CC; at least one of which will more than likely have a passive slow. You shouldnt need your azerite slot to kite off necrotic stacks
I would consider it more at 65
sand egret
its also only a 10% net gain over not using it (as at minimum TClap is always on the target)
warm plinth
Hey until I'm at 50, I can still be healed 😏
nocturne blaze
hi, quick question which ring combo is better? the mechagon ring combo: 3 abilities(420) + haste (415) or a 440 low versa high mastery + mechagon haste (415) ?
exotic spoke
440 +420 for survival
nocturne blaze
ty
spice ferry
does wow analyzer really provide much for prot warriors or is it unreliable?
oblique garnet
pretty sure it doesnt work for prot unless its been changed
spice ferry
it says it isn't maintained, but then when you go in it still shows some stuff
like TC casts missed etc
undone sun
it's very basic
spice ferry
in what way?
spice ferry
oof
undone sun
not even bfa updated
warm bolt
hi, short question.. iam not sure about ashvanes razor coral.. what is the correct usage for prot warris in single target situations?
undone sun
so it will barely show you anything usefull
spice ferry
rip
been using it with every second avatar zulu
not sure if its the best, but thats what ive been doing
spice ferry
its fine in m+ too, if the target dies you get the buff
sick sentinel
yeah but
spice ferry
there are better options sure
sick sentinel
i mean one stack maybe 2
something like gore crusted would do better imo
inkpod is nice to have aswell
coral inkpod is pretty nice
spice ferry
possibly, but if you have a 445 version it'll probably beat it unless you get a juicy gore
sick sentinel
i have been told inkpod also does decent damage in m+ but i havent tried it myself
spice ferry
i been using coral asap and then cyclo after your first avatar cast runs out
though again, not sure if that's the best
presuming avatar doesn't affect it so don't want to do a channel during it
spice ferry
cyclo is fantastic for ST damage, so its great to smash voids etc
sick sentinel
idk really i just play dps in raids 😄
but if i did i would go for blast for sure if its on farm
maybe for progression aswell if boss is chill just for more damage
oblique garnet
cyclo is not great in m+
spice ferry
best i have atm sadly 😦
oblique garnet
"Its great for voids" is pretty inaccurate since there are rarely cases where you are just killing the void alone and while youre channeling it all the mobs are hitting through your block now on lower keys it doesnt matter as much but the higher you get you will notice it
spice ferry
i'd hardly say its inaccurate, it IS great to blast voids, but you're correct it's a bad idea to channel it while other shits smacking you.
exotic spoke
Cycle isn’t worth in m+
Konrad, the issue is they have so much health it doesn’t make much of a difference.
At high keys you’ll have to Los them anyway
wild sandal
i see people going through diffrent essences for m+, one was even using C&S as major, i thought we almost always go VOP as major and maybe lucid or aegis for minor
oblique garnet
Its because its necrotic
Conflict and strife might not be too bad for this week havent tested it yet so hard to tell
oblique garnet
If it still has the same issues @potent anvil once mentioned idk if its even worth
All of those are solid choices
Dependingh on dungeon, affixes etc
wild sandal
sometimes even thinking of the one that gives us armor and health when we go below 35%
ye im trying to choose based on dung and magic damage
i dont really go super high , 16 - 17 at beast usually
potent anvil
The thing about conflict major, is that it doesn't apply if the target has a 30% or greater slow.
Also, you get the double vers buff from r3 because of the root, so you end up having 800+ vers all the time.
wild sandal
thats more tthan aegis i guess
potent anvil
As long as you don't run with a frost mage, or any other spec/class that somehow constantly applies a 30%+ slow, then you can run conflict major and have the root effect.
spice ferry
is it intended to not work on targets with that slow?
or is this another small indie dev kinda thing
potent anvil
I imagine so. It doesn't work if you run sphere minor, and I tested it with slows like piercing howl from fury or frost mages in general.
undone sun
interesting
potent anvil
I assume its categorized as a slow? So the effect is overridden or it fails to apply if there's something stronger. I dunno though.
That's just how it works currently.
undone sun
oh wait, how big is the slow
potent anvil
Yeah, the issue is that thunderstruck is a root, so I dunno if that's technically a slow.
undone sun
hmmm
sand egret
Roots could be under-the-hood just 100% slows
stoic pilot
Probably tied to the actual slow from thunderclap applying for the root to function
sand egret
but if the application goes minor > major's effect, the root doesnt get a chance to apply due to the minor not applying
so could be an order-based bug
just a theory
potent anvil
Whatever the case may be, that's currently how it works.
sand egret
maybe it's a secret blizz coalition that hates frost mages
trying to subvert groups to not bring them 🤔
oblique garnet
@potent anvil did you test if it roots players when they are slowed?
potent anvil
Didn't get a chance, I imagine its the same case in pvp. If someone can test and report back to let me know that'll be great. I'm raiding atm
oblique garnet
Could probably do some tests but its 3 am and i doubt there are anyone available to test it out real quick in eu
potent anvil
Did a quick test, works the same way in pvp
Conflict major/sphere minor, let the person attack to get the slow debuff and I can't root with thunderclap
oblique garnet
That explains some things
buoyant tide
when's the best time to lust on mythic radiance? during an intermission?
willow scarab
It doesn’t root players when they’re under a heavy slow ~sometimes~
We lust radiance on pull to get more out of cooldowns and get bosss as low as possible by first intermission
potent anvil
I don't think its sometimes. Looks pretty consistent to me with a slow 30% or greater.
Everchill anchor slow is 20% max and thunderstruck roots targets with that.
willow scarab
In pvp it applies the majority of the time even when slows are applied
I regularly semi afk bgs as prot to do uni work so I’ve tested it a lot
potent anvil
Which slows and what % of slow?
I just tested it with sphere slow and piercing howl. Spamming thunderclap during avatar and can never get it to root.
willow scarab
Everything from hamstring to frostbolt to crippling poison, in bgs it almost always applies. In open world it applies less often to players. Sometimes when you’re in a big fight for against overwhelming odds it won’t apply whilst the target has 20 debuffs and a variety of slows/roots applied
I only really ever see it not apply during open world
Which leads me to think it’s less about slow applied and more to do with open world and dungeon CC interactions opposed to instanced pvp
potent anvil
Does dueling not behave the same way as instanced pvp in terms of pvp rules?
I'll have to do more testing on it I suppose.
Because if dueling is different, then I'll check in instanced pvp
And it's most likely tied to slows.
Because no other type of CC in open world prevents the root. Like charge root doesn't, stuns do not, etc.