Tbh I bet Blade could come up with a really punny name for you
#protection
warm plinth
sand egret
like, my MDI squad would all have their toons named after the Jackson 5
warm plinth
But would the team name be Easy as ABC?
sand egret
1,2,3
exotic spoke
It started out on mekkatorque with the rdruid changing his name to rootbot. Then the dk did gripbot
Then I added tauntbot. Our DH, since he normally parses 95%+ did parsebot. Rogue did stabbot, priest is now staffbot
knotty wagon
I mean, if you want vulgar call yourselves ||The 5 muskaqueers||
exotic spoke
Not gonna be allowed to get in
warm plinth
Rawr
exotic spoke
Of Ruck Fob isn’t allowed and has zero actual profanity in it - that’s not either
distant crystal
that's some 4th grader humor
exotic spoke
Mine?
distant crystal
yuzus
knotty wagon
Implied profanity
sand egret
eh, profanity can extend to stuff like that
knotty wagon
is still profanity
exotic spoke
I take that as a compliment - I was thinking second grade at best
knotty wagon
@distant crystal Except I dont f ind it funny? It's just the most offensive thing i could come up with that was punny
mystic ferry
Which 2 would you use? I don't know how much the socket is worth on the 410 and the stats on the 430 are better than the 440
knotty wagon
Sim it
exotic spoke
Continuing with the bot trend in details - we have a hpal that was going to go with “Shockbot” but she thought that was a bad idea with the implied “shocker” references which would get made
mystic ferry
i thought prot sims suck
exotic spoke
410 and 440
sand egret
BOPBOT
exotic spoke
You can accurately sim dps - not survival
distant crystal
@ionic fern you gonna let @mystic ferry slander your name like that?
exotic spoke
She went with Wingsbot
knotty wagon
I'm natively keen on the 410 and 430
sand egret
missed potential but i respect that
exotic spoke
Our fury warrior went with Gnomebot
Just cause he’s a gnome. And our mage went with portalbot
sand egret
i woulda called the mage GrubHub
but this is probably why I don't have any more wow friends...
lol
oblique garnet
🤔
exotic spoke
@oblique garnet come raid with me on NA alliance. It’ll be fun on a dead server and way off time zones
oblique garnet
No
exotic spoke
It’s cause alliance isn’t it 😦
oblique garnet
Yup
cosmic cape
Phial for st and vial for multi target?
distant crystal
O_o
exotic spoke
😦 I can’t believe that’s the reason andnnot that I’m on a dead server or on NA while you’re EU
oblique garnet
im on dead server in eu 🤷
oblique garnet
anchor weed costs 75k stack :)))
exotic spoke
@distant crystal 😦 truth hurts bro
knotty wagon
Sounds like ezmoney
exotic spoke
I think we’re at like 80k a stack lol
frank otter
which trait should I pick if they are in the same row: blightborne infusion or calllous reprisal?
exotic spoke
@knotty wagon except no one really raids. My guild is 3/8 mythic. Two guilds at 8/8 heroic. That’s it
knotty wagon
Callous reprisal is pretty decent defensively
exotic spoke
Sorry it’s down to 60k per stack now lol
frank otter
I'll ss the piece, just got a 445 and idk what to pick, traits seem kinda shitty imo lol
knotty wagon
You raiding, pvping, or keys?
knotty wagon
Bfi will give you damage and defense against physical oriented bosses and keys
Bloodsport will gain value in high magic damage sitstuions
obtuse venture
hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnggggggggggg gambled a BoM DC azerite helm. big nut
frank otter
gz
distant crystal
seafarer?
honest frigate
piece is really strong actually @frank otter i have it
obtuse venture
sea-brawler
honest frigate
brace. blightborne, gutripper, and vampiric speed
its a great raid dps chest
BFI is strong
callous sucks, go blightborne no matter the content
gutripper/earthlink your choice
knotty wagon
^ for very high keys, you may want bloodsport
honest frigate
earthlink if you want the primary stat, gutripper if you want the execute
Eh BfI probably gives you more value
frank otter
thanks for the insight 😄
honest frigate
bloodsport isn't needed in most high keys, its just nice to have imo
honest frigate
But tbh you want triple bastion in keys so that piece isn't that great in that context
good raid piece though
distant crystal
it's also a really nice fury piece
knotty wagon
It's only valued in some dungeons at that, unless you're trying to push the limits you won't be changing traits per dungeon
distant crystal
i think it's CSHB/BBI if you use it for fury right
frank otter
btw which is better razdunk brb or vial? razdunk brb sims higher but seems scuffed
wicked moth
i'm brand new to prot tanking, noticing i'm having issues keeping aggro even when thunder clapping on cooldown (dps also low? 400 ilvl 13k dps avg)
is it just cause these 430 demon hunters are jacking my swag? or do i need some help
obtuse venture
skittish week
wicked moth
not for me in us
sick sentinel
he wouldnt be doing a +7
wicked moth
i was in a +5
obtuse venture
dh pull threat pretty hard anyway. especially if they are high ilvl. just tell em to wait or be quick to taunt i guess.
wicked moth
i know they kinda nerfed tps during bfa and i haven't tanked since legion where before i could auto attack a thing and have perma aggro
for sure thanks
distant crystal
just don't mongo leap into packs on cd to pull :p
wicked moth
tanking feels kinda overwhelming at first but i'm gettin there
wicked moth
i'm worried about my dps but i'm lookin into it, seems low to compare to what i've seen on other groups with war tanks
sullen pollen
does booming voice affect trinket damage like cyclo/inkpod
random urchin
what weapon enchant should I be running? naga or quick nav?
sick sentinel
if you have good dps in group if u have a rogue or hunter they can help keep the agro on you with miss direct etc but thats if its needed
wicked moth
for sure
true plover
For M+ would you guys use the 440 alc stone over either a 430 edicts/430 urchin?
obtuse venture
i know nerftank (highest rated m+ prot warrior right now) uses urchin + edict on his min maxed tournament realm character
distant crystal
min/maxed MDI runs are a lot different from live keys
obtuse venture
on live I've seen him use Vial + urchin and Vial + rezans
distant crystal
if you're planning on doing redonkulously huge pulls aiming for speedruns survivability is a little more important
obtuse venture
they do some fairly large pulls on their tournament realm runs and he runs urchin + edicts.
i think on live he runs vial over edicts because he either hasnt gotten edicts or he just favours the extra dam because its yolo
oblique garnet
not everyone is also alchemist
distant crystal
you can't use alch on tourney realm
obtuse venture
but either way i think edicts + urchin is a solid combo.
obtuse venture
is alchemists stone not a defensive trinket
oblique garnet
Alchemist stone is not just defensive trinket
upbeat tendon
any haste point i should run naga hide instead of quick navigation?
remote tusk
Goddamn fucking Zerkers and Shadow of zul..
warm plinth
@sullen pollen No, Demoralizing Shout with BV and Avatar only affect damage done by warrior abilities. No trinkets, essences, etc are affected by either.
stoic pilot
Racial is effected though by Bastion of Might via mastery increasing your attack power
at least LFD one
sullen pollen
ty @warm plinth
undone sun
but not inherently avatar
stoic pilot
yeah let me fix that
remote rose
mid tank crisis here i need some supportive tips
i feel like im getting trucked to hard on mythic radiance are there certain essences i need to running just for him?
sharp abyss
@vast sedge I got pauldrons of the horned horror
knotty wagon
@remote rose logs?
remote rose
the boss itself doesnt hit hard its the add stage is were im getting hit
sick sentinel
don't use SB while tanking adds
just spam the living shit out of IP
and tell your healers that tank healing is important
knotty wagon
It sounds like you may be misusing your active mitigation, and cooldowns, and may want to choreograph your cds
sick sentinel
use spell reflect, your interrupt. stombolt and shockwave
also int shout
to interrupt smalliers
knotty wagon
Also make sure you don't have tide fist when the add hits you
odd quail
If you're getting overwhelmed with damage, adds are also a good time for a shield wall.
odd quail
Health pot, lock rocks, plus everything else mentioned
sick sentinel
I cast rally there too
knotty wagon
Don't go in blind, plan ahead, find out what externals are available
And plan to use them at specific times
Choreographed cooldowns plans go a long way
odd quail
Get the weakaura to track externals and call them out.
sick sentinel
You can use everything save wall and rally on the first adds
And you can use literally everything on second adds
mortal pike
If you're REALLY struggling you could use Null Dynamo major
sick sentinel
I wouldn't advise that
mortal pike
Its overkill but it helps against the magic damage
knotty wagon
What is your healer comp rn? Prime time for spirit link or life cocoon
sharp abyss
Guys i just got a 445 pauldrons of the horned horror and have 430 Skyschorcher Pauldrons which should I go with?
remote rose
thanks guys
sick sentinel
@sharp abyss isn't horned horror like cr bom
sharp abyss
DC IF or rank 2 CR
sick sentinel
confused
chilly brook
I honestly don’t know what to do in game
sharp abyss
ring 1 i can pick DC or IF and in ring 2 I can pick CR or ruinous bolt
sharp abyss
Helm
sharp abyss
CR
wild sandal
i have a Brm and prot war, but on the BrM i dont have null r3 , and on war i do and right now we stuck on ashvane, which one should i take to help us progress?
sick sentinel
Go if/cr on shoulders
@wild sandal what's your co-tank
And do you have a bdk for bubbles
wild sandal
monk
sharp abyss
replace the Bom and Brace on my 430? i thought azerite goes to like 15 or 30 ilvl if not the ebst of all traits
wild sandal
no, we use a pala
sick sentinel
Pala's good enough
Go monk
Bis for progress
@sharp abyss bom is probably better offensively
You can sim by how much
sick sentinel
But defensively the 445 should be better
@wild sandal personal opinion : play the class you enjoy playing the most
wild sandal
i will try both and see, ofc im more inclinded to warrior
sick sentinel
Btw as warr you should always take bubbles
And monk should always take coral cuter
wild sandal
oh ok
sick sentinel
You control who gets what
You can immune most bubbles, but even if you can't you can still clap
fickle urchin
we run a holy prieest with the pvp talent, so we get a castable immune for bubbles. We cant pick and choose classes tho, so its prolly not optimal. Just thought I d mention it.
mortal pike
holy priest wut
sick sentinel
But that's because I cba'd to have one more button
fickle urchin
she refuses to play disc
wild sandal
thanks @sick sentinel for the help
sick sentinel
No problem
fickle urchin
and the castable immune on bubbles is actually nice for like.. shammies etc that cant get out themselves.
sick sentinel
Anyway, bed, good night chat
wild sandal
gn
tranquil night
whats our BIS traits for M+ pushing ?
warm plinth
3x BoM, 1x DC, 2x somethingsomething
tranquil night
only 1 dc ?
warm plinth
At least 1. The first one is by far the most valuable.
There are better traits than having 2 more DC
Meticulous Scheming, Blightborne Infusion, Swirling Sands are probably all better than 2nd/3rd DC in M+
vestal edge
OK tell me what to wear
i have 430 ink pod 430 socketed phial 430 bandages 440 vial 430 urchin and 415 laser punchcard trink
for both raid and m plus
tranquil night
is chain of suffering good for anything ?
stoic pilot
445 shoulders with BFI / IF / OP / Bulwark or 435 shoulders with BOM / Liberators / Unstable Flames / Impassive
for raid
and m+
vestal edge
Halp lol
dreamy epoch
errant prairie
Any experienced mplus prot warriors can tell me whats super important to do in prot rotation, in short sentence? im not so good with aggro maintain. Also probly skittish week
long ermine
opinions on [Bloodthirsty Urchin]? any good?
chilly brook
@errant prairie literally the same rotation we always do
If you’re not good with maintaining aggro it’s most definitely a personal issue
tawny maple
@errant prairie press avatar press thunderclap
your DPS should give you 2 seconds for aggro
thats only during skittish tho
chilly brook
Avatar>thunderclap>shield slam>revenge w/proc>devastate>Revenge to spend rage
Fit Demoralizing Shout in between thunderclap and shield slam if it’s not already up
Our rotation hasn’t changed since 8.0
brazen sequoia
"Usually" a thunder clap should be enouch on non-skittish weeks. On skittish weeks I usually only run groups that have either a hunter or a rogue and make them T/T or MD me all the time.
chilly brook
Unless you’re running with people who severely outgear you it shouldn’t be that big of an issue
brazen sequoia
True
chilly brook
Assuming you’re playing optimally
brazen sequoia
Tbh I play druid atm and haven't had problems with it, but it's better to be safe than having a 8x bolster (looking at you, mr. warlock pet that pulled an extra pack out of fucking nowhere) smack your healer :p Granted, that should just be a "wipe/reset" because it'll have more HP than the bosses, but you get the point
chilly brook
Facts though
brazen sequoia
Facts don't matter when you can get a google degree. 😄
chilly brook
I mean basically does
Most tanks are actually autismo
“TaNkS aReN’t SuPpOsEd To Do DaMaGe”
chilly brook
Stahp
lusty grotto
well shit griff is back
brazen sequoia
Ravager is the best talent man
chilly brook
I’m only kinda back
brazen sequoia
throw it on the healer and they will freak the fuck out
lusty grotto
dailies and wqs xD
brazen sequoia
azerite farming 😦
oblique garnet
Stop memeing about ravager
brazen sequoia
New raid is a drag.
lusty grotto
lets see what piece of shit the chest of disappointment gives me
oblique garnet
Dont make me get the 🚔
brazen sequoia
well
I've only gotten 440+ trinkets.. Granted, I'm druid atm and they might be usefull if I off-tank, but like.. Electryfing Jar and Spyglass? Bruh
distant crystal
uhh
doesn't null dynamo deal its dmg regardless of if it absorbed dmg
for the r3 minor?
or am i crazy?
guildies saying you have to take/absorb dmg for it to deal it
lusty grotto
distant crystal
i could've sworn people were saying it deals the dmg regardless in here
lusty grotto
well in EP just about everything deals magic damage
so it goes off on all bosses
even on orgazoa
distant crystal
monk tank was wanting to take a bubble early to proc it
i just thought it was gonna deal it either way but sounds like it would be worth
distant crystal
because he'll have a dot
that makes sure he always consumes every shield
regardless of raid dmg
sick sentinel
helm of dreadwaters, should I go with Heed my Call, or Unstable flames. Already have one unstable flames? Sim it?
lusty grotto
i use flames on keys
sick sentinel
for mythic raiding, sorry about that
distant crystal
@lusty grotto I mean the dot you get from soaking a bubble
magic dmg for the rest of the fight
sick sentinel
kk haha 😃
distant crystal
lol
slow kiln
Should i use a 455 Phial of the Arcane Tempest over a 410 Rezans just because of the ilvl?
for m+
warm plinth
It's not very good in M+ actually, but it's still like 45 ilevels of str
Since you're pretty much always fighting multiple mobs, it never ramps up in M+
distant crystal
dats fake news
slow kiln
Yeah im ms fury and it doesnt outsim Coral and Ink but i figured i can use it in M+ and for tanking possibly
distant crystal
it ramps occasionally but it still does p good dmg
warm plinth
😮
lusty grotto
shirakess bracerlets and wristwraps and neri's wavebreaker cuffs
i wonder which one is the one
ok shirakess bracelets is def not it
wristwraps has the pufferfish so im leaning towards neri
warm plinth
You're a pufferfish
old falcon
Is anima an ok minor essence or what should i priotitize for my first minor
lusty grotto
anima is a shitty minor
willow scarab
Extra hp alone isn’t very good it’s just more to heal
old falcon
what would yall rec for first minor
willow scarab
For what content
old falcon
cool ty buddy
onyx vessel
arcane heart or callous
knotty wagon
I chose callous
Atleast it's useful
cough had it's uses. Arcane heart is just shit
orchid token
@willow scarab get anything good
winter oxide
is a 2nd deafening crash better than a 2nd iron fortress?
merry bane
just got Edicts of the Faithless. Finally some tanking magic mitigation
merry bane
is the edict better than a haste or alchemy trinket?
jovial jewel
is inkpod bad to use this week
stuck crown
Do sims currently account for how broken FM is?
tawny maple
@merry bane Edict is a defensive trinket, the other two are DPS trinkets.
Use Edicts if you wanna be tanky and use the other two if you want more dps
merry bane
So what better for M+
my Rezan's eye is at 395 and the edict is 400
I also have my alchemy trinket at 410 currently with a socket of 50 haste
tawny maple
I mean it just depends really
I would definitely wear the alcy trinker, and then its up to you
ionic fern
@stuck crown FM?
tawny maple
Rezans is the best of both worlds, but Edicts is really good
merry bane
I mean even without rezans and a group of 5 I am at 50% haste
thats just my 5 buff and normal gear.
tawny maple
You can never get enough haste
merry bane
LOL this is true
tawny maple
It will get you more damage and defense because more buttons to push more rage etc
Edicts will block more damage the higher the key level
But its really up to you, they are both good. If you wanna be more tanky wear the Edict wanna do more dmg wear the Rezans
And you can always swap them out with each other
merry bane
hmm so its not a throwaway trinket. thats good at least
tawny maple
Nah Edicts is good
merry bane
I thought it looked sweet when it dropped
plus changing the phys to magic is amazing
finally a steady magic damage absord lol
tawny maple
Honestly I just keep it on the physical dmg absorb
Most things get kicked/reflected/stunned that are magic in m+
But for places like ML and WC yeah it is nice
But in places like FH its really good too I think in a 14 FH I absorbed like 5mil with it
And I didnt even pull huge
merry bane
cant wait to try it tomorrow
its only a 400 but still
I am hoping to get in a heroic group for EP this week. 415 ilevel with 6/9 normal
orchid token
@merry cave at the very least it's a socketed 450 strength stat stick
merry bane
also for this weeks affixes do I have to rely on DPS to take them down fast enough?
or try and kite cause that sucks ass in M+
sick sentinel
@stuck crown what if FM?
tawny maple
@merry bane you got a guild?
sick sentinel
@stuck crown no
Force multiplier undersims for every spec
And simc devs are aware of this
And refuse to fix it
@ionic fern fm is force multiplier
@distant crystal phial is not good in mplus since you're never figuring one target, except when fighting bosses
ionic fern
👌
merry cave
Phial does alright damage from what ive found
sick sentinel
Worse than other trinkets
merry cave
Compared to what? Prefer it to my rezans and defensive trinkets tbh
sick sentinel
You'll do more with rezans
merry cave
In what regards? overall dps? Because I found them to be virtually the same running a few lower keys of the same dungeon (same key level same pulls) to test stuff and compare to dungeon Sim
merry cave
And vial was well behind both
opaque vine
Kinda OT maybe: ive read about worldvein not working correctly. Does any of you guys and girls have some information about that?
spice ferry
basically if you drop a stack due to one despawning, but there are more around you there is a delay in registering that
from what i remember
@opaque vine
opaque vine
@@sick sentinel it did sim highest minor for me, but i only got nullification rank 3 2 days ago
@spice ferry i ser thank you. That does not seem like that big of a deal, depending how long that delay is anyway
sick sentinel
Keep in mind, null minor spreads the damage to all enemies hit
So it doesn't scale with targets
opaque vine
Sure, the only boss that applies to would be orgozoa and maybe ashvane anyway right?
And m+ obviously.
ionic fern
Why Ashvane? It's really good on Ashvane.
opaque vine
Thought maaaybeeee bc of the brinies
sick sentinel
Those die insta anyway
And it also still does good damage on mplus
I just said to keep it in mind
opaque vine
Maybe with your raidteam :D
Currently were only runnimg heroic ep and on orgozoa we just keep the adds under the boss. So thatd be specific to our tactic i guess?
sick sentinel
You're not supposed to do that
They take less damage and do more damage
And "they die insta" was meant for ashvane
They are permanently up on orgo
opaque vine
Im aware of point 1, its just on heroic our healers can deal with it and they die from passive cleave before the next wave spawns
So i didnt really see the need to burst them down away from the bods
Especially when he transitioned by time the first one or two id's
On mythic sure, that would just kill us, no doubt about that
meager oyster
is it worth to change from 2x Bastion of Might 420 Azerite to 1x Bastion of Might and a 430 Azerite with Bloodsport and Callous Reprisal for M+?
sick sentinel
bloodsport?
meager oyster
the ignore pain trait
meager oyster
I mean I have 2x 420 Azerite with Bastion of Might, and I want to know if it is worth to lose one of them for a 430 Azerite with worse traits
opaque vine
@sick sentinel "i just said to keep it in mind" - sorry if i sounded aggressive or stuborn. Just trying to minmax - probably the wrong corners
@meager oyster whats the other trait to bloodsport?
frigid forge
how viable are secret of the deep? if anyone tried it
sick sentinel
it's good
but like
anything that forces you to move
if you can't move
it's a big yikes
frigid forge
true that @sick sentinel i have to pick between that or tradewinds and cant rly deside or get the feel of it 😄
brittle owl
they don't spawn too far away
and the buff lasts long enough that you can reliably get high uptime in m+
azure birch
Im confused why the majority of prot warriors on top of ep boards on warcraft logs have Fury azerite traits. Any thoughts?
azure birch
I can get it as prot?
brittle owl
and synergises with devastator
frigid forge
thanks @brittle owl ❤ ill test it
brittle owl
switch to fury, select it, go back to prot
azure birch
😮
brittle owl
400iq ikr
opaque shuttle
Hey guys , is it worth equipping a +25 ilvl helm with meh traits and loosing 1 BoM and my only DC ?
azure birch
thank you very much
finite gull
With it being necrotic is Suppresion Pulse worth running? Or just stick with VoP and Memory minor
quick elk
yes This is going to be a horrific week. any tips on how best to deal with this would be great.
brittle owl
you don't really care for necrotic as a warrior though until you get to high keys 🤔
but if you do and you pug/don't have a frost mage
sphere is gud
also good to reset necro on bosses
mental scarab
And go full crit for that sweeeet parry😜😜
sick sentinel
you will lose some dps but you will get surv
I get 3 bloodsports 
I would rather off myself
why would you ever
get bloodsport
undone sun
getting one is questionable, 3 is fucked
sick sentinel
because no other powers besides ones like callous reprisal are available?
undone sun
a lot of things are way better than bloodsports
undone sun
yup
sick sentinel
yikes
brittle owl
you have bosses there too you know
brittle owl
incite the group damage
vital token
Is Trecherous Covenant still good in S3 or should I get a 445 to replace my BoD 415?
Covenant still has +200 str over a 445
torn gulch
morning what would be the value of the socket on a 425 disk of indomitable will
brittle owl
not much
wild sandal
do we still stack BOM or shoul i go for other traits like brace , even if i have it on other piece
torn gulch
so sockets are not as valuable on shields
modest wedge
the same conversations over and over again 
👀
willow scarab
Shield Ilvl is more important than anything because you can’t socket Amour or block
sick sentinel
16% crit 22% Haste 21% Mastery 13% Versatility I did have 24% mastery but i had 415 vers mastery legs which i switched for my new 440 legs crit haste should i be ok with my stats just try to not loose any more mastery?
worthy karma
so for mythic ashvane, are you guys dragging boss to to corals for the lazers or leaving against the wall
worthy karma
for mythic?
thats what i wanna do, but my RL is saying everyone drags it to coral for more uptime
vital token
if he wants shit all over the room let him have it
brittle owl
just gotta stack bashes neatly
theres no set way of moving the boss around, you just want to maximise encounter space and make it easy for soaks
that can be accomplished in a lot of diff ways
opaque shuttle
Hey guys , is it worth equipping a +25 ilvl helm with meh traits and loosing 1 BoM and my only DC ? The 445 piece is this one https://gyazo.com/e39ee69d99be94de13b989306b672c3f
and the 420 is the one with BoM and DC
sick sentinel
@sick sentinel wear highest ilvl always
When you have 2 items of the same ilvl wear highest haste
We don't care at all what your stats are
@opaque shuttle do you have dc somewhere else in your gear
willow scarab
Has your raid leader seen a kill video before @worthy karma
More than keep it on the wall... you keep it on the same spot for as long as possible
sick sentinel
New fume profile pic 
tepid niche
how much haste is good to have?
sick sentinel
All the haste
ionic fern
^
opaque shuttle
@sick sentinel Yeah but loosing an other, so my last BoM if i do that :/
tepid niche
i got 42%
willow scarab
I'm never happy on a pic so i change every few weeks
tepid niche
ok 😛
sick sentinel
ilvl has prio though
tepid niche
btw how come i can't change my nickname in this channel?
ionic fern
Cause we're bullies.
tepid niche
😦
sick sentinel
tepid niche
this is my rogues name 😛
tepid niche
well, thanks for the advice 😃
opaque shuttle
@sick sentinel Did you see ?
opaque shuttle
yeah //
sick sentinel
And when you can get dc somewhere else then you can use 445
rose quiver
@worthy karma your RL is right, you want to move Ashvane in the middle right after the first bash in the broken shield phase
so people running to cut the corals can still dps her
it's a very major dps loss to leave her at the wall
and then you just take her away during every bash
and try to put them on top of existing ones
so you don't have to run too far
cinder roost
Meh, if we're talking raid I say just drop DC but that's just me
rose quiver
@willow scarab did you kill Ashvane on mythic?
willow scarab
Yes I'm 6/8
rose quiver
your advice is very wrong
willow scarab
Thanks for your input
stiff bear
jes howler 455, any good? i dont haver the raid trinkets yet since i dont tank raids just m+
ionic fern
Well, the other option on CR row is Bloodsport so.. @willow scarab 😂
sick sentinel
You don't have to move the boss
You'll lose some uptime, sure
But you don't have to move it to the middle at all
willow scarab
I'd take CR too in that instance
rose quiver
for most guilds first kill it would be extremely detrimental, dps check is already pretty tight
sweet kettle
440 ring with high vers mast or 440 with crit mast and socket?
willow scarab
Standing in the middle sounds good and I'm not saying it's a bad idea btw. I'm saying it's simpler to keep her on hte wall and we' did it 3 weeks ago that way
sick sentinel
Out of all of mwahi's traits I like 1
willow scarab
If a guild hasn't even killed ashvane as if the players are gonna be able to handle a strat with more moving
sick sentinel
@rose quiver dps was really tight 3 weeks ago
rose quiver
@sick sentinel dps for top raiding guilds was tight 3 weeks ago*
sick sentinel
Now dps check is basically free
rose quiver
it still is tight for some
willow scarab
If the guild hasn't killed Ashvane yet then they need the simpler strat
3/8 was free and is the same as 0/8, ashvane is the first boss of the raid
sick sentinel
Ashvane is 100% execution
willow scarab
If it's not dead then the guild needs a boss to be kept easy
ionic fern
I'm gonna fish for a better chest today.. 😄
rose quiver
I know plenty of guilds who just decided not to prog on ashvane before getting more gear
ionic fern
RNG lottery please be kind.
rose quiver
but yeah, she's the first actual boss
willow scarab
I got Ashvane's cuirass first week
and then 4 pieces of rubbish
together we have the perfect parsing azerite mwahi
sick sentinel
@ionic fern I only like SS
willow scarab
Any guild that took time off before progging ashvane is the same type of guild i'm talking about
if you need to outgear it to baby your way through it then you need the simple strat too
ionic fern
Ashvane became a ton less difficult after we started trying to 2 phase it tbh. 😂
willow scarab
Imagine wasting even one lockout just because you don't want to try the boss
sick sentinel
@rose quiver my guild is wr 550 and we were doing too much damage like 2 weeks ago
You just need to get a competent raid leader
That knows whose cds to assign where
Where to assign the second pot
And where to assign the bl
ionic fern
^
willow scarab
Tfw your world top 150 maybe top 100 guild isn't 2 phasing her yet
sick sentinel
We just kill her in like 2-3 pulls with 3 phasing
Why change something that isn't broken
sick sentinel
@willow scarab casual
willow scarab
Also someone said you need 1m raid dps or something to do 2 phase
sick sentinel
That's 50k across 20 people
willow scarab
Yeah cyclo and clf lust pots etc on the break i follow
It's the easier strat
We have really big damage so good speed rankings on our kills but shit execution
It sounds like we'll 2 phase it once we clean it up first
rose quiver
execution will probably go up as well since you'll have less time to make mistakes 😛
willow scarab
wow we use to be world 600
sick sentinel
We kinda have some people with barely any benethic
rose quiver
how many days do you raid Fumeiyo
rose quiver
3x3?
spice ferry
anyone got a wa to track carapace for ashvane?
tight surge
Do warriors have some hidden secret way of getting rid of necrotic stacks?
Other than running :D
undone sun
Nope
tight surge
I'm trying!
spice ferry
❤ Fumeiyo
fluid parrot
Is this proc worth any item levels?
ionic fern
I'll do the mandatory "Dwarf racial gets rid of Necrotic stacks".
sick sentinel
Dorfs are op this week
ionic fern
No - it's not.
I just got it out of the way since it's necrotic week.
😂
Still better than "run 
with full crit".
wintry olive
If you want to be extra troll run the pocket trinket with the card that funnels stats into highest secondary. During avatar with proc it’ll def hit or get ridiculously close to 100% crit.
Played around with it at start of patch , was hilarious but annoying.
brittle owl
you're all laughing, but he's out there somewhere
getting his io up
plotting his ravager revenge
his
RAVANGE
undone sun
🤦
brittle owl
no u
sick sentinel
Sphere sleeper op this week kapp
undone sun
I'll one up you and say I haven't even done normal bfd @ionic fern
rapid tide
Quit this tier. Feel really good about it.
Best choice I made in a long time.
Well okay. Quit into BoD to be more precise after 140 wipes on Mekka
🤔
But I did think back then I would go agian this tier so... 😛
rapid tide
Mekka was basically fun.
But we got into intermission like 6 times over those wipes.
We extended for 4 weeks straight.
While people still had 400 weapons etc.
weary thorn
yikers
rapid tide
It was not the boss that killed my mood more the... way it was approached?
unborn island
I managed to kill normal Mekka...and I think I killed Rastaman on heroic, but after that I just completely stopped and did M+ only
rapid tide
BoD with a great guild woudl have been amazing.
brittle owl
otherwise it was shit
spice ferry
most tiers are good with a good guild tbh
unborn island
haven't stepped foot into EP yet, aside from doing the 1st boss on LFR when I was bored, with a bear tank who consistently lost aggro to me and then re-taunted the boss
it was fun
brittle owl
lfr
unborn island
then I dropped the group because the whole experience was awful
brittle owl
yikes
brittle owl
i didn't do lfr at all this expac on any character
unborn island
and decided I would do no raiding until the first boss mythic is easily puggable
unborn island
oh god, LFR G'huun
brittle owl
was lucky, only 5x determination
unborn island
I did a lot of LFR Uldir because I didn't ding until like 2 months after it was out, and had no friends
so gearing up was cancerous
brittle owl
nah
its hard being a fresh ding main true
but you literally don't need anyone to be raid ready
can just pug your way to hc ilvl in 2 resets
1 reset if you no life it
unborn island
yeah, it was difficult because I hate pugging M+ when I don't know the dungeons
once I got to like 340 or something I just started doing them, reminded myself that the people who do low keys are absolutely disgraceful for the most part
then stopped caring and geared pretty fast 😃
was weird going from doing 22/23's in Legion to struggling to get groups in 2/3/4's, the contrast in playerbase was ridiculous 😃
rapid tide
Uff.
brittle owl
nah it's also due to thr fact that dungeons are objectively harder/slower
rapid tide
I would honestly just look for a m+ community or sth if I wanted to do keys.
Pugging is like the bane of my existence.
unborn island
I do that for the most part now
spice ferry
get ya way into a decent mythic guild as social
knock over aotc like week 1/2
pump keys with good players all tier long
brittle owl
also that
unborn island
yeah, could do that
rapid tide
I mean... expecting "decent mythic guilds" to have good m+ players is a stretch at times 😛
brittle owl
not even 'good', the issue with the majority of wow players is that they're bad
horribly so
unborn island
problem was when I rejoined my old guild, very nice bunch of folks, but terrible players
and only interested in raiding
people doing less than the tank and saying that they 'don't need to do normal'
(also don't have time for regular raids anyway)
exotic spoke
It’s all about finding the right fit for you
exotic spoke
I mean - yes you can. But I don’t think works well long term
brittle owl
depends if you use enough lube
exotic spoke
That’s what she said.
But, depending on your goals,you may have to do that
But you’re absolutely correct mael
brittle owl
💦 
💧
wheat python
Hey guys, general questions. For the random azerite, does the pool include raid gear?
I'm thinking of rolling heroic random azerite to get BIS instead of random mythic
What do y'all think ?
indigo yew
i think it's only the M+ ones that you can specifically choose for 200k
someone needs to confirm it though
remote tusk
No, it only includes mythic plus dungeon gear.
The gear you can buy is the gear you can get.
indigo yew
Another question myslef. I'm a Tank and my current gear is https://worldofwarcraft.com/character/eu/defias-brotherhood/itsnino
and i just got a 455 + socket Trinket.
should i drop edicts or jes' howler? or just use it for my dps specc
i feel glad and sad at the same time lol
exotic spoke
What Ilvl are your edicts and howler?
Also are you trying to maximize dps or survivability
rapid tide
Seeing your Howler being 450...
exotic spoke
Ohh fuck seriously? Jesus Christ
rapid tide
I would probably still drop it because I don't like it but I think 430 edict is kinda more the choice to drop...
Also darn, give me that Merektha's..
exotic spoke
I wouldn’t drop howler. 5 Ilvl sand socket is not with the shit that is merethas imo
strong forum
I wouldn't use merektha for the live of me
indigo yew
yeah this is so confusing. i got the howler last week ^^
indigo yew
yeah, i put in 120 strength. its 720 strength in one slot
exotic spoke
If you are curious about dps - I’d sum it. And if you don’t need survivability from edicts I’d probably use it
indigo yew
i guess i drop edict, unless i take too much damage in some encounters or m+
last kings rest run edict absored 36% of the damage i absorbed in the whole run, so it's pretty nice for survival
exotic spoke
I mean alright - but I’d consider it.
I get that it’s shit. I’ve sharded 440 sporepods and merekthas so far. But if I didn’t need survivability and didn’t have semi decent other options I’d use them purely as a stat stick
strong forum
Id use 415 diamond over that merektha any day of the week
exotic spoke
@indigo yew then keep edicts - since you like it man. You got lucky and unlucky.
Equip it in both trinket slots and then get rid of it
rapid tide
I like Merektha tbf. It does decent dmg.
It's not terribly good and channeling sucks.
But 455 with socket is 455 with socket.
indigo yew
okay thanks for replying guys. gonna go the higher ilvl ones first unless its a heavy damage fight or m+
just need to use it on cooldown to get the value
besides that 720 strength
exotic spoke
I wouldn’t care about the active effect personally but it’s such a high Ilvl
subtle hare
Should I run blood thirsty urchen (430) and Dimanond- laced refractor prism (415) for 18+ keys or drop one for a damage trinket?
analog creek
Edict is really strong, but I really dont like how it works and stop using mine first shot I get in most situations
rapid tide
If you just want to time them I would go with Urchin + Prism.
Missing Damage is probably not an issue you will be facing.
But also: What damage trinket options do you have? 😄
I mean if you have a 455 socketed Gore-Crusted... I might consider that a good option :lul:
analog creek
I'd urchin and a dmg trinket assuming you have equal or higher ilvl
Healing type trinkets lose a ton of value this week
subtle hare
I have a 430 proc pvp trinket and 430 radiance trinket at the moment.
So not amazing options there
analog creek
In m+ I prefer to use trinkets with hybrid value, with maybe 1 healing type trinket
Trinket choice really depends on the options you have, for m+ ilvl will be the biggest factor among the desirable trinkets
exotic spoke
@subtle hare I wouldn’t use either trinket this week
Necrotic means both lose a lot of value
On other weeks I’d use Urchin and a dps trinket. We rarely need double defensive trinkets
brittle owl
just take it to the face like you did until now lmaoooooooooooo
ooo
only classes i'd use sphere tbh would be dk and dh
since necro is actually scary on those
sick sentinel
Yeah that's why the "kapp"
I have 1600 crit rn
My crit is at a sizeable level to keep my stacks from going too high too fast
sick sentinel
Yike
oblique garnet
😡
willow fractal
does parry parry just auto attacks only?
analog creek
There are abilities that can be parried
strong forum
Anything that can be blocked, can be parried I think
analog creek
Most melee attacks can be parried
strong forum
Except ranged attacks, like shoot
analog creek
There are more parryable attacks than there are blockable
exotic spoke
I believe you’re correct Nome - and with added benefits at time.
Like third boss in KR. You can parry the backhand and not get the debuff
strong forum
Those you can block but not parry
Parrying is huge
tree boss in WM
Lemme just not take that 300k hit
👌
analog creek
That boss hits for 300k?
strong forum
The single most fun boss in entire bfa
Just dont reset him
Unless your dps sucks / its high tyr
analog creek
I do it more for the thorned people
strong forum
Never had anyone die to thorns tbh
analog creek
Two ticks can kill at really high stacks
strong forum
Or get even close
analog creek
Many instant break, but if they dont for whatever reason
strong forum
🤷
exotic spoke
I think he’s the most fun mythic plus boss yeah.
I do like Paku and behemoth for similar reasons in raid
All the block
Also, getting 445 shoulders without BoM feels super bad
strong forum
Behemoth is meh, conclave was 👌 my favourite boss if it wasnt so easy
exotic spoke
Do you take behemoth to 50 stacks?
analog creek
Paku was fun before they hard capped the stacks
strong forum
No we swap at 16 or earlier cuz cba
I just want it dead
Shit raid
Hate EP so far
exotic spoke
That’s why. I just tanked him most of the time in heroic - going to try it in mythic cause bored
strong forum
Ah heroic
Heroic is literally whatever
Mythic I cba
Heroic I haven't done him in 3 weeks
exotic spoke
So far I like some of the fights.
Like week one is what we tried. Going to try it tomorrow.
Rather try that than do ashvane when people haven’t gotten enough dps yet because they CBA
analog creek
There are some interesting fights, overall I'm not too impressed with the raid
exotic spoke
Like a resto shaman, on almost 20 pulls, has 4 offensive spells cast in total
carmine light
This grind for bote rank 3 is rough. Even with the event.
exotic spoke
Which essence?
carmine light
Blood of the enemy
analog creek
The essence system is my least favorite part of this patch. On one character it's good, but trying to maintain a 2nd raid ready tank is a real pain
carmine light
Yeah 50k honor but only from bgs skirmish and brawls.
Yeah hard for alts to really catch up
strong forum
@exotic spoke bote is the insane crit one
Where you get like 50% crit from the essence
analog creek
And having rank 3 null isn't really an option
strong forum
And resto sham can hardly afford to do dps riki
Cuz they have to choose between healing or dps, they can't do both
Except maybe keep up flame shock
Just got null r3 after I didn't do mechagon for 3 weeks cuz I didn't know about r3 doing that much dps
analog creek
Null r3 is actually busted, and every fight in ep does enough magic to make it pop off
lapis topaz
Does anyone know how/if Honey Potpie's slow stacks with the PVP tank essence (Sphere of Suppresion I think?)
unborn island
is it worth doing some raids to get the heroic axe from Zaq'ul?
exotic spoke
Oh fair
sick sentinel
Is it worth replacing two 445 Azerite pieces with shit traits with bastion of might traits?
430 bastion of might
exotic spoke
About bote. Also, there are periods where very little healing is required - from what little I’ve seen.
Like shouldn’t they be attacking then?
sick sentinel
Like chest and shoulder pieces with blood rite and ruinous bolt at 445
exotic spoke
rsham when there’s not a lot of damage on ashvane
strong forum
Ah
exotic spoke
I was clarifying my previous response about that “makes sense” with “about bote” or whatever
strong forum
Rsham can attack for a bit yes
analog creek
Healer dps in mythic progression is actually really important
strong forum
Like on the opener, and during shield break
exotic spoke
@analog creek that’s exactly what I’ve read.
And on 20 pulls - for first shield and first shield break - 4 offensive spells cast
strong forum
That's just plain stupid
Shouldn't raid mythic
If you do that
Hey lemme just afk for 30sec on pull
Great idea
You can atleast attack freely for 10 seconds on pull as shaman
analog creek
Your healer team should be collectively doing almost a dps worth of dmg on any given pull
exotic spoke
exactly my point. I get that they can’t do full time dps - but help out when free.
I’ve talked to all my tanks and told them they need to sacrifice as much survivability as they can - without being a liability - to get as much dps as possible on that fight
analog creek
Unless you are under healing content
exotic spoke
We have 3 healers 3 tanks for that fight and the other two are about 20-25k depending on the pull (combined between the two of them
strong forum
And riki, here I've been told tank dps doesn't matter and should aim to be as defensive as possible 🙃 from shitty dps players
exotic spoke
They can suck on these
strong forum
That's why I hate EP currently, cuz shit dps are looking at me and telling me what I should do
analog creek
With 3 healers on ashvane they wont equal a full dps unless you are running 2 disc, but they should all be making impactful dps contributions at every opportunity
strong forum
Like bitch, I was top 50 world on Bod overall and sometimes top 10 in EP so far. :angery:
willow scarab
They have half a point
Bosses hit way harder compared to the BoD equivalent
And the fights rely on proper tank play a lot more than BoD did
strong forum
Ye but looking at one of their best players is kinda stupid
strong forum
Ye I noticed a disturbance in the force
willow scarab
But I also had to do ashvane and half of my org prog with a 420 shield... so.... no choice
strong forum
I tried playing turtle, and took same damage as before
exotic spoke
I’m lucky - as one of the most senior officers, by seniority / time spent, and as the main tank I get free reign of how I run the tanks - so long as it doesn’t fuck the raid
analog creek
I rarely go full parse monkey, and I still push very respectable damage and always maximize my tankability
unborn island
how is it for other tanks vs warrior? I get that for us proper play >>>>>>> how you gear, for defence at least
strong forum
But we have some loose cannons that don't respect that
unborn island
is that the same for the other tanks?
strong forum
For every tank
analog creek
The later fights do lend themselves to a much more defensive setup though
Not monks
unborn island
mate, I will never play defensive
strong forum
Ye Monks can literally do whatever
unborn island
I don't play content which is even remotely hard enough to require it
strong forum
And still do fine