I just got bis chest tho
#protection
exotic spoke
A 50% gain is a 33% loss the other way - its how it works
analog creek
Then 14k to 30k is a 114% gain
exotic spoke
Yeah it is
sick sentinel
so OP > Unstable?
exotic spoke
But - and you’re right - it probably wasn’t entirely accurate.
I’ll admit that - I pulled numbers out of my ass
Trying to go with what funeiyo is using an example cause I know he sims a lot
willow scarab
it's defaulting to my bigger dps gear even when i pick defensive in sim
analog creek
The point I was going to get to but never made to, is that if you drop from 30k to 14k, it is much more likely that the player is making mistakes
analog creek
That dmg swing cant be accounted for entirely by a setup change
wispy plume
26k to 37k
exotic spoke
So 26k full defensive to 37k full offensive.
We have hard sim numbers
willow scarab
read the sim then
warm plinth
@sick sentinel OP should be chosen if it's available, over everything else in that ring.
willow scarab
about to link a dps sim
unborn island
How big a DPS increase is going from a 415 Weap to 440? That's what I'm hoping to see tomorrow....
willow scarab
huge
lilac minnow
anyone know what the new affixes are for next week?
warm plinth
Weapon DPS is by far everyone's highest stat weight.
willow scarab
necro burst
lilac minnow
fuck me... ty 😦
willow scarab
26k defensive (scroll down in that sim)
37.4k offensive
both sets of sims account for 3x essence slots
exotic spoke
So, is 11.4k dps worth losing survivability? In some cases it absolutely is.
In some cases it absolutely isn’t.
In other cases a blend will be required.
Knowing when is as important
wispy plume
Your gear is nuts for ST
willow scarab
430 weapon no coral no inkpod and average cylotronic blast 🤔
wispy plume
Well yeah but I have ran a shit ton of m+ and have only gotten 430 socketed ring
Stuff like that
My weapon is 430 as well briny is decent though
willow scarab
I'm gonna be 7/8M this week and was 3/8M first week so that does help
wispy plume
Yeah we were 3/8 first week but sat at 4/8 the rest of the weeks
willow scarab
I also saved up enough TR for 1 item the first week of mythic
so i was 2x 445 because of 3 months ofw ork
willow scarab
speed typing between WQs is so rough
warm plinth
You don't play any alts do you Fum
willow scarab
I've bought 4 items so far and only 1 is usable
wispy plume
Yeah for sure I mean most of your gear is similar to mine. I just didn’t do CoS so I don’t have pants and my rings are 430 socketed
willow scarab
I buy a 5th soon
I have 3 alts but haven't played any since 8.2
very busy with gf and uni
I only play wow from like midnight-3am each day and log for raid
(when gf is asleep)
warm plinth
Oh yeah weren't you the one that said your gf told you you had to stop spamming islands? XD
warm plinth
Lol
willow scarab
I feel like I just mainlined a coffee with how fast i'm pumping messages while flying
exotic spoke
My point is that we, Warriors, can often forgo defensives and get more offensives because of how block works - especially with better shields.
There are fights and situations where it’s definitely beneficial and correct to do so.
On certain weeks of m+ when pushing I run 0 defensive trinkets and more offensive traits
wispy plume
Yeah for sure. Hell I don’t even have any good defensive trinkets
I keep debating if I’m going to stop trying to get coral and try and get urchin
Butttttt I keep rolling for coral lol
wispy plume
Yeah my defensive trinkets... are alch stone and rezans 😂
willow scarab
I'm stopping coral and getting urchin this week
zaqul kinda hurts but I ~know~ azshara will
logs can come when i'm 8/8
i'm 100/100/100/20/20/20 on logs atm
wispy plume
Yeah I kind of want urchin and edict
willow scarab
so i'll fix that later
wispy plume
For super high m+
exotic spoke
Double defensive trinketsbare a crutch
willow scarab
I've been saying that since week 1
edict/urchin for m+ and pull more tha nnormal
utilize the op dps gear/essences better
exotic spoke
If you kill all the mobs you can’t take damage (bad week to say that I know)
wispy plume
99/94/99/95 for me
exotic spoke
?
willow scarab
my logs are an actual joke
heroic/normal is like 50% 100s and rest 99s
mythic is 3 100s
and then 3 prog bosses grey loggin
wispy plume
Lol yeah you aim like 5-6k higher than me atm. I need some better stuff and to hit that 65 neck
Sim**
exotic spoke
Though, none bursting tyrannical weeks are good to do mega pulls
willow scarab
the 5-6k is because i just got 65 neck
but also like
i worked to sim so much higher than everyone else
wispy plume
True true. Oh yeah your gear is lit for single target
willow scarab
who else grinded the AP? saved up 3 months of TR for an extra piece of azerite ?
like If I get any free 100s this week I worked hard for the advantage
exotic spoke
I should have saved up the Tr. I spent it for shits and giggles
wispy plume
I can’t parse on radiance. Because our side kills the adds so fast that we sit there with nothing to hit and the boss with the 99% reduction for like 15 seconds
unborn island
I spent my saved stuff for an instant 430, not worth.
wispy plume
And the raid leader won’t swap peoples ol
exotic spoke
On RF gear
eternal plover
Regarding the talk on defensive trinkets.. does anyone have both urchin and edict and have an actual comparison of what gives the best defensive output?
wispy plume
I mean those are two best defensive options atm. Especially in high magic dungeons. Things like shrine. Or the second half of kings rest
I just don’t have them to test
Like in kings rest you could wear it as phys reduction and then swap to magic in the room with the blobs
eternal plover
Was thinking of situations where u would only use 1 of them. Which one would be the better option?
wispy plume
And it would be maxed before you got up to all the casters
That depends really
On the ilvl of trinkets and what dungeon
eternal plover
Yeah i guess u are right.. edict seems very useful
wispy plume
If it was mainly physical damage dungeon and you urchin was high I would use that
warped mirage
anyone have any tips for tanking keys with necrotic. necrotic scares me on 10+ keys
wispy plume
Stack to where you feel comfortable and then kite
Or utilize things like earth Ele and treee
Necrotic is just not fun for tanks. It’s anti fun honestly
eternal plover
Race change to dwarf :)
warped mirage
me is a dark iron dward :3
i started tanking the end of season 2 and got 2 weeks of necrotic expirience and ... i got pummeled
wispy plume
That too. Then racial that shit and keep pumping. Don’t get caught with a fat bursting stack and high necrotic though
eternal plover
I would recommend going to 30 stacks then and reset (for bigger pulls ofc) otherwise just kite around 25-30
exotic spoke
@warped mirage were one of the better tanks for necrotic. Get to 20 and start watching stacks. If your health isn’t moving go to 30. Rinse and repeat
When you need to get out intervene to range or leap out.
As a dark iron you can get to 30 or higher - clear if necessary and stay in
It’ll all depend on the pack
And key level
exotic spoke
But, my RDruid is in melee range doing kitty dps
willow scarab
Also an obnoxiously big necrotic weakaura helps
eternal plover
The most important for u as dwarf is to know the dungeons well. That racial can save your ass in corridors or places where kiting is close to impossible
willow scarab
I don't htink you're doing any kitty dps in necrotic bursting week lmao
eternal plover
Or the other option is to make a frost mage your best friend
exotic spoke
Fumeiyo - you fail to understand the mindset of my RDruid
wispy plume
Stack crit and parry ever attack 😎
exotic spoke
Realizes he needs to heal me. Realizes it’s going to take a lot of GCDs to heal me and he may not be able to keep me alive
Let’s me die as he continues to kitty dps and just spends one GCD on his most mana / GCD efficient heal - Battle Rez
As he says - and I quote - “I got you man”
willow scarab
I mean... he does in fact.. have you
exotic spoke
Just not in the way I expected
red wedge
Hmm.. Can't remember. Necrotic pretty much makes absorb trinkets garbage, correct? Like an Edict is pretty worthless this week.
exotic spoke
Was it the right call - absolutely. Just funny in hindsight.
It was on the stupid eel packs
Yes tacos
Yes racial* don’t know why it corrected to tacos
red wedge
Because Tacos are delicious.
warped mirage
alright i got one more question before i head out. thanks btw gonna make a necrotic WA later. but i did a lot KR last week and the week before. those beserkers dot they put on are unforgiving what can i do to do better mitigate or deal with. i would spam ignore pain with 2+ stacks and still get rekt once i get to 3 or 4
red wedge
And discord read your stomach and mind.
wispy plume
Don’t get 3
red wedge
Bait the zerker dot onto dps or pets
exotic spoke
They are delicious and now im scared of skynet
wispy plume
And let a dps get smacked
exotic spoke
He’s DiD. Dwarf them at 2
warped mirage
do i kite them or leap away to have them smack someone else? ive just been face tanking them like a meat bag like theyre regular trash
wispy plume
They hit the closest target with it
eternal plover
@warped mirage berserker dot:
- only get one stack. Stormbolt stun when ur bleed has 3-4 sec left.
- dark iron racial it off if u get to higher stacks
exotic spoke
It hits the closest. DH can parry it I believe
wispy plume
Or the unsuspecting DH/rogue
red wedge
They cast severing every 3-4 seconds, and almost always directly after a bloodied leap.
eternal plover
They reapply when the dot is 2-3 sec left.
exotic spoke
I make the spriest soak them - cause he’s a dwarf too
analog creek
There is a WA I used on the berserker, tracks cd on the bleed dot, DH uses same aura. Run out at 2 secs, let dh blade dance all the bleeds.
sharp abyss
My armory is Delithvian-Sargeras and I get to roll for a random mythic piece today and I would like some suggested on what i should roll on https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/sargeras/delithvian
exotic spoke
That’s actually a really smart WA
warped mirage
shweet you are guys are awesome thanks a bunch gonna try this out tonight with my KR key
analog creek
analog creek
Pretty sure thata the one
warm plinth
I main HDH and KR is bae for DH dodging shit
Only manage to get the bleed sometimes though because you have to anticipate it. Cast time is too fast for me to do it reactively
WA will help
warm plinth
Yeah. Just hard to anticipate when you only have a one second window. Do you notice they actually cast it on CD or does the WA just tell you when they’re able to cast it?
analog creek
Pretty much dead on cd
eternal plover
Just stun it at 3-4 sec left of dot.. maintain 1 stack. Its so easy
warm plinth
Nice. Thanks for that. Gonna have fun with that.
analog creek
Except for when they leap
That bleed does more damage than the entire rest of the pull
vast sedge
@sharp abyss gamble shoulders
warm plinth
So now I get to dodge more stuff! Already do backhand on 3rd boss, severing axe on 3rd boss, quaking leap on last boss, etc
vast sedge
5/6 chance you’re happy and the good ones from raid aren’t until way later
warm plinth
So much fun
vast sedge
And if you dip into mythic you can get a serviceable chest and great helm quickly
Chest is 2/6 for a good one but if you don’t want shoulders you should gamble that
willow scarab
blackwater is as easy as the other two but the shoulders that drop are pretty meh
warm plinth
Does feel shit doing relatively trash DPS on third boss though lol. Because of kiting to dodge backhand
willow scarab
If you're going mythic you might as well go 3/8
exotic spoke
Second two bosses fall over
warm plinth
I enjoy being able to dodge all that stuff though
sharp abyss
I am not mythic @vast sedge
red wedge
Because it was the only one without bom
limpid pawn
vast sedge
OOF @limpid pawn
I’m gambling my 4th chest today and will be in same boat probably :/
vast sedge
I hope ❤
sharp abyss
When i get out of school I’ll roll shoulders hope for a good one
willow scarab
good luck
4 times is rip
it took me 4 to get shoulders that weren't shit last season
and evne then they were only ok
vast sedge
Yea def best choice for you @sharp abyss I believe 🙏
rapid tide
So with Bursting Necrotic what do I do instead of WoW while skipping out on this week? 🤔
warm plinth
Sack up and do dungeons
strong forum
tomorrow is the day @willow scarab the day where i roll the worst possible chest
and you all shall be my witnesses
so that my shit fucking luck streak continues
warm plinth
I believe in you Nome
sharp abyss
You got this Nome channeling the good vibes
willow scarab
good luck on ashvanes
i believe in you
Still no rank 4 null
i've opened 6? 7? caches
I just opened 3
exotic spoke
RIp
warm plinth
Anyone on NA do a Waycrest yet today? I know it's early, but I'm wondering if the maggots bursting again in the post-season was a bug like the Siege thing or if it was intended.
Since they both happened at the same time
analog swift
i believe it ended up being a bug that was hotfixed
warm plinth
Well I know the Siege thing was, but I don't remember seeing the maggots bursting on that hotfix list. I'll have to double check
red wedge
Cant decide what essences to run this week.
willow scarab
conflict3 + aegis3 + lucid3 ?
analog swift
it looks like they updated this and took away the whole tentacle sponning thing
red wedge
I dont have conflict because im a lazy shit.
red wedge
isnt that absorb hindered by necrotic?
warm plinth
Yeah but that was the same article that had the tentacle thing in there originally. And maggots do not do sanguine or bolster
So that's not correct entirely, if at all. Was hoping someone had already done it this week and could confirm, but I'm sure I'll find out eventually. Just impatient :p
lusty grotto
they changed it
then changed it back
then changed it back to before
so they don't bolster
willow scarab
conflict is flat vers
lusty grotto
at some point, the ones that were present (but not the ones that spawned due to infest) bolstered
but that was reverted
sand egret
boy was I really confused doing a WCM this week
totally explains it, missed the last memo lol
warm plinth
Thankt he jesus
I figured once I saw them not bolstering/sanguining(?) that it was reverted fully but wanted to check
lusty grotto
they talked about it during MDI
warm plinth
Ah, yeah I haven't watched any yet.
sand egret
yea me neither
warm plinth
I just remembered them bursting in the post-season and was worried that was intentional because it's just aggravating for that hallway
lusty grotto
well im talking specifically about bolstering
you know some affixes work on x mobs and don't work on y mobs
warm plinth
Well, afaik any mob where any on-death affixes are disabled, all of them are. So if maggots still burst, they're the only exception.
sand egret
wouldn't this be X affix works on mob but Y affix doesnt, in this case?
warm plinth
Yeah, if they still burst, that's what it'd be
lusty grotto
i guess that would be the case yeah
warm plinth
Since all the others (droplets, rats, etc.), all of the on-deaths are disabled
lusty grotto
they shouldn't burst though
vital token
Yo, guys, I'm doing Radience Mythic with a semi-pug and for some reason I keep dying to melee hits. I've no idea if healers are being silly, if I'm playing badly or the group is taking too much damage in general or what. Any advice? I'll edit some logs in a second
warm plinth
I'm pretty confident they won't, but we'll see
lusty grotto
radiance is magic only
warm plinth
Well, you can't block the adds
lusty grotto
and non-blockable
sand egret
perty sure their melee is magic damage
vital token
is it? Even the big add?
warm plinth
Yep
lusty grotto
keep demo up, use IP
warm plinth
100% magic
vital token
aight, that will prbably help a lot then
warm plinth
I've seen swings from big add doing like 140k in logs
lusty grotto
swap your edict to magic only too
sand egret
and nature resist gear! 😆
warm plinth
He's no joke
vital token
yeah man, i was hit for 180k at one point im pretty sure
lusty grotto
make sure the little adds are interrupted
and/or aoe stunned
and make sure they are burning big add down
the faster it dies, the less adds you have to deal with and the faster the fight goes on
lusty grotto
👍
vital token
there's a neck essense as well isnt htere, forgot about that
Would you guys suggest using that over anything else, i have a major and minor slot.
lusty grotto
minor null r3 is a shitload of damage, there's no reason why you shouldn't be using it in EP
if you have it
and are using it for the fight
analog creek
I think the boss still melees if you tank the add on range of him
analog creek
It didn't seem to work as intended weeks ago, I haven't really tested it since
lusty grotto
if he did melee when he's submerged
that would be a bug
why would you want a boss to hit tanks while theyre doing adds
usually tanks are not even facing him so that would mean unmitigated hits
sterile mantle
hmm Force Multiplier or Naga Hide!?
lusty grotto
this is the leech type question that im most annoyed about @warm plinth
remember when you guys were talking about RF being like Leech
well i disagree
its the naga hide question that is like leech
also gonna tag this dude @oblique garnet
popular streamer / high io warrior runs Naga Hide == popular streamer / high io warrior runs Leech
sterile mantle
i had been using both and jsut wanted an opinion @lusty grotto
sterile mantle
max defense
sterile mantle
it was jsut a damn question.....every guide ive looked at has shown something different
exotic spoke
Quick nav is more mitigation. Force multiplier for more dps oriented
Naga hides benefit isn’t that good imo
sterile mantle
the main stats from naga from blocking/dodgeing works with my current set up anda 15k absorb is kice passivley
knotty geyser
Where can I find a list of boss abilities that can be spell reflected?
sterile mantle
ive been using the dodge chip to incease my dodging to help proc naga hide more
exotic spoke
15k is so small though 😦
lusty grotto
you're already blocking all the time
analog creek
I wouldn't use it, but there are situations it might help for your end goals to use naga hide
knotty geyser
Thanks bud
exotic spoke
(That’s not what she said)
sterile mantle
just something ive tried and it seems to have worked...afraid to change lol
analog creek
But it is not the best option in any typical situation
red wedge
How can you tell it's working?
analog creek
No enchant is an option that works too
sterile mantle
my surviablitly in mass trash pulls for dungeons has increased
red wedge
Mm.
lusty grotto
feelcrafty
exotic spoke
Correlation is not causation
red wedge
What he said.
lusty grotto
a 15k absorb has increased your survivability?
sterile mantle
multiple dugeons show it isnt a fluke
eh 15k absorb is 15k my healers dont have to heal lol
red wedge
imo, that's just you gaining experience in handling it vs a 15k absorb that wont last longer than half a hit from mobs.
sterile mantle
if i can get overcharge punchcard id switch
strong forum
finally null r3
lusty grotto
gz nome
lusty grotto
fuck those oscillators though
analog creek
Check your healers overhealing on you, if that is higher than the absorbed value of naga hide, it effectively did nothing.
strong forum
so i got the last 2
analog creek
Provided you didn't die
sterile mantle
Did get this today
honest frigate
A 15k absorb just saves a small amount of healer mana which is all it really does
sterile mantle
50 ilvl increase lol
lusty grotto
gz'
honest frigate
You’re better off taking Force multiplier and benefiting from the stat gain
warm plinth
And that's assuming it even does save mana. More likely it's just gonna result in overhealing
lusty grotto
remember when we argued about this regarding leech
and then all the warriors in the world stopped gearing leech
exotic spoke
Grats man
warm plinth
That's a sexy weapon
sterile mantle
that should help a bunch
lusty grotto
because leech fucking scuffed keys on MDI
warm plinth
Looking forward to opening my chests when I get home. Only did a 5 on my war though so I don't expect anything significant.
lusty grotto
pepperidge farm remembers
exotic spoke
How did it scuff keys nim?
lusty grotto
coughNerfLeech
exotic spoke
I honestly don’t remember
lusty grotto
you dont remember naowh destroying everyone with his gearing?
exotic spoke
Not really I don’t watch that closely
warm plinth
Was he just gearing properly vs the others trying to leech stack?
exotic spoke
I see big picture and stop caring
lusty grotto
naowh was the only warrior that went what Late and co said, and disregarded the fuck out of leech
then his team destroyed everyone
exotic spoke
Ah
exotic spoke
I mean if I get leech on the best piece I’ll use it - but it ain’t no thing
warm plinth
So basically one guy changed the meta. Even though it was a fake, stupid meta. 😄
lusty grotto
shit did you guys remember nerf did that 20 something?
guess what enchant he was using
NOT NAGA HIDE
warm plinth
Then again, I doubt we'll see as much of a difference with enchants since you don't drop ilevel for those.
exotic spoke
MDI keys != keys on Live anyway
warm plinth
I mean, you know that, and I know that, but the general population doesn't seem to know that.
honest frigate
He was doing more damage but that’s not the reason they won
MEU was largely performing better and had better pulls/routes
exotic spoke
I’d be curious if he needed less EHRPS
sick sentinel
does anyone feel underwhelmed by prot after nerf?
honest frigate
At the end of the day an enchant makes little difference over the course of a dungeons outcome
exotic spoke
But that’s harder to judge
sick sentinel
feels like every other tank except DK is better for keys
warm plinth
Feels the same to me
honest frigate
Prot is still the best at mitigating damage in keys our damage was only nerfed a bit
vital token
how did leech scuff keys on the mdi?
exotic spoke
@sick sentinel I mean - that’s an opinion you can have but personally I think it’s the wrong opinion
honest frigate
Utility wise we’ve always been the worst
warm plinth
But our utility was unchanged
vital token
oh nvm
lusty grotto
wait, what's utility?
exotic spoke
We didn’t lose any utility and they didn’t gain utility - so nothing changed
honest frigate
Warrior doesn’t bring a lot of utility we bring great mitigation/damage
warm plinth
We do have some utility. It's just situational. e.g. intercept on powder shot and shit
exotic spoke
Shouts nice. An external for any dps / healer every 15 seconds is very nice
Aoe stun and aoe fear are nice
warm plinth
We have Rallying Cry as well
sick sentinel
what I meant was
exotic spoke
Saying we have no utility is just wrong
sick sentinel
I watched a couple streams of VDH/Monk and they feel much better utility wise
exotic spoke
Our “Utility” is our amazing mitigation and very strong dps
We’re still top tier tanks for m+
Because that VDH is going to have to kite like a mother fucker at high keys
vast sedge
Insane bait wp
frosty vigil
I'd rather have great mitigation and damage and not a fun button that knocks mobs back
exotic spoke
But yeah - pretty much Cozen
eternal plover
I guess spell reflect is not utility, although it nullifies boss abilities..
warm plinth
Ring of Peace is pretty sick though, ngl. Less necessary when you're on a tank that doesn't generally have to kite in the first place though.
analog creek
Warrior can tank two motherload trash pack while your rdruid kites 2 peacekeepers on a 19, I consider that solid utility.
vital token
shockwave
sick sentinel
to my key grpup
vital token
int shout, that's all teh utility you need
exotic spoke
We don’t need a lot of healing - which means we let our healer do more shit too
warm plinth
Maybe you're just not using your utility as much as you should be. Intimidating Shout to mass interrupt, aoe stun, single target stun, intercept, massive mitigation, great damage
sick sentinel
I am using it
but you know before nerf I felt so op
now just feel kinda
vanilla
idk how to explain
vital token
that's what balance feels like
warm plinth
Idk, can't change how you feel, but there's no logical reason that that would be the case.
narrow sparrow
You’re still playing the best m+ tank class mang
analog creek
Did you play blood in legion?
warm plinth
Since our utility and the utility of other tanks was untouched.
exotic spoke
Nothing else changed other than a dps nerf that we’ve all knew was coming
sick sentinel
No i didnt play much in legion
frosty vigil
You want to feel down, go from Bears in Legion to Bears in BfA....
exotic spoke
Meh bears
analog creek
Bears are legit now
sick sentinel
yeah everyone besides Blood is legit
I guess this is how it feels
to be balanced
analog creek
Blood is fine, you just need to actually be good with it to do good now
analog creek
I still do
sick sentinel
not often thouhg is it
analog creek
Every time I pull more than 1 pack
frosty vigil
If you get sad about nerfs, you shouldn't play wow
analog creek
It drops off to like 70k by the end of pull
But I still often burst more aoe than the dps
eternal plover
In our case the nerf isnt even bad.. many people expected prot to go back to what it was in S1.. but we are still around on the top
analog creek
End most m+ on the top side of 30k
oblique garnet
We are still the best tanks for m+
frosty vigil
To expect to be top dps as a tank is unrealistic
eternal plover
"the best" is pretty subjective in my opinion.. Monk seems to pull ahead when it comes to the highest keys
grand drum
is someone getting the best the best the best the best of you?
vital token
What is it with monks man, people say stagger is the best ability in the game... But isn't that just to ofstet their lack of armor?
ofset
red wedge
Stagger is the best for progression.
chilly brook
Stagger in general is just the easiest form of “mitigation” to deal with
junior rose
The hidden Artifact appearance that you find in the cave in Highmountain; does that spawn randomly like a rare spawn? or does it just have a chance to spawn once every day?
like if I check it after the daily reset, and it's not there, then I can just check tomorrow?
vital token
chance every once per day. You can make a class trail and get a load of chances tho
junior rose
what's the chance on it? I've been checking it every day for about two weeks now lol
chilly brook
@vital token let me put it to you this way, when it comes to healing a tank, especially in progression, consistency is a huge deal. And monks have that in spades because the damage is always consistent, they take more damage but it’s very steady because it’s just spread out over time instead of up front. Does this mean they are hands down the best? No, but it does mean they are desirable for consistency and a distinct lack of player mess ups that can occur because of how their kit works in terms of mitigation.
vital token
Yeah, like I say, you can make a class trial and just spam the cave. Check the wowhead page for it though, i think you have to talk to some guy first before youre eligable
thats true griff, good point
chilly brook
From a tank standpoint I don’t think there’s anything that really beats stagger tbh
Block is great don’t get me wrong but stagger is just a really well thought out design
winter swan
hey can any 1 help me with trinket choices as prot ?
random urchin
For the inner ring of traits what would you guys say are the most desirable ones. Right now I’m deciding between lifespeed or heed my call.
vital token
Swift hand of Justice and Inherited Mark of Tyranny. Trust me.
chilly brook
I’m sure people can certainly help you with trinkets
winter swan
ok ty ! so
analog creek
Consider stagger as critically blocking every hit, but still taking that dmg over 8 seconds. It buys time to react to the dmg, for the tank and the healers.
And completely removes the ability to be spiked down
vital token
nah @winter swan, any trinket's a good trinket. Edicts of the Faithless is great
winter swan
i have a choice of 4 at the moment azsharas font of power heroic with a socket, 415 edicts of the faithless which i feel is a little underwhelming a 430 vial of animated blood or the mechagon trink with cyclotronic blass and a haste vers card for more damage im not sure whether its more beneficial to just go more damage output or more defensive
chilly brook
430 vial is very nice
vital token
I'd go with edict and vial if i were you
chilly brook
Serves as both offensive and defensive
winter swan
i have that eqipped most of the time im just debating on the other
vital token
I'd personally shy away from the font because of the 4 second channel, but you could make it work between tank swaps quite well really
winter swan
that was my thought
i run with a dk tank and he pulls 22k single target damage and i cant seem to keep up with him he uses the cyclotronic blast trink and its a lot of his damage
winter swan
so would you say the blast trink would be a better option than a 430 font of power socketed ?
winter swan
he was simming a 93 so i just assumed it was good
willow scarab
Yes it beats font
chilly brook
I mean let’s be honest
If you’re above average for DPS as a tank you’re gonna be purple parsing no problem
Aka as long as you’re actually pressing your buttons
willow scarab
The only time I lose threat to my bdk cotank (who does 30k)+ is when he’s playing dps trinkets and essences but I’m playing double defensive across the board
winter swan
what is a good single target dps goal as a 434 prot warrior i feel my dps is low i can only pull aroud 18k
chilly brook
That’s what I hate about most tanks, it’s that mediocrity is the norm
winter swan
not too sure what im doing wrong
chilly brook
Link them logs
willow scarab
Wasting globals and not pressing avatar enough no doubt
vital token
30-33k singe target as prot?
willow scarab
I currently sim 38k
winter swan
i only hold back on avatar on fights like za qul when adds are close etc
willow scarab
If you link your raidbots and logs then this discord will fix your issues
Typing won’t help
My group dps do 45-50 ST
chilly brook
Logs would be the best help
willow scarab
Can someone else do it for these two guys?
winter swan
ok so what ill do is log this weeks raid and post the weekend and maybe you guys could help me ! be nice though i just got asked to go prot from fury as our tank quit so i am new to this
willow scarab
It’s 4am I’m about to sleep
vital token
😄
willow scarab
If you’d like to review yourself you can look me up
Fumeiyo-Frostmourne and compare
chilly brook
3 uses of avatar in a 4 minute fight seems low @vital token
willow scarab
Other warriors who don’t still have bad trinkets and a 430 weapon do even more than me, so you can analyse their logs as well
vital token
ah, female void elf, i see youre a man of culture
willow scarab
Aesthetics over everything
vital token
I generally wait until im tanking to pop it, what fight is that
willow scarab
A 4 minute fight allows for 6 avatars
chilly brook
The first one
Don’t wait until you’re tanking to pop it
Just wastes your CD reduction from AM
willow scarab
It’s a dps spell not a tanking threat spell
vital token
True. What about demo?
chilly brook
He’s
willow scarab
Demo is 22s CD with 16s uptime
chilly brook
Yes*
chilly brook
Feeds into your CD reduction and your DPS
vital token
never thought about it that way
chilly brook
It’s free rage
willow scarab
Devastator provides more dps and you really don’t need booming voice until you’re on a boss that’s killing you
winter swan
ye im thinking too defensive when i play
willow scarab
It’s a small amount more rage and the strength of booming voice is that it’s on demand IP with your DS
chilly brook
Devastator isn’t that much extra DPS unless something changed
willow scarab
It’s like 4K more for me
It’ll be 2-3k for these guys
And the rage generation isn’t that much lower
chilly brook
Been away for 6 weeks as well so I’m also not 100% up to date except for the fundamentals
willow scarab
You only use BV for add fights and fights where you’re being trucked the whole time like orgozoa M
You also use CoF3 + null3 for maximim dps, followed by VoP3 + null3 for good hybrid. You rarely need other essences for raid
winter swan
i need a few tips for za qul we did down it but out MT is a DK and i get flattened by the link shouls we swap rolls ?
winter swan
it was rough
willow scarab
If you swap the damage taken more than halves because he takes your blocked hits
On mythic zaqul my bdk offtank is being hit for 40k
For reference.
winter swan
i just didnt know the fight too well last week so he tanked
willow scarab
Now you do and you can make both your lives easier and treat the healers
chilly brook
TBH most groups also aren’t familiar with the tank strengths and weaknesses so it’s only understandable
willow scarab
Alright I’m sleeping now, there are better players than me who can keep answering your questions
brittle owl
dk's are probably the worst mt for zacool due to their kit
whereas warrior is probably the best
winter swan
thx fume
vital token
nn fume
analog creek
Checked that log for sivara, way too many devastate casts. Always prioritize shieldslam>thunderclap>revenge>deva
Thunderclap casts are low, probably due to low avatar uptime
Then everything else that was mentioned
winter swan
so i was told not to revenge unless its a free proc ? is that wrong ?
analog creek
Really depends on how much dmg you are taking
warm plinth
If you're new to the spec, that's the safest route. However as you get experienced, you can make the call between using IP or spending your extra rage on Revenge if you don't need more survival.
prime owl
I'm a casual shit tank - what essences should I be running for M+, preferably passive ones?
winter swan
i just find my self using IP to be safe at the same time as using the rage instead of capping to get the most out of anger management
analog creek
Vision major, crucible/lucid minor
prime owl
thank you, arch
analog creek
Westan there are weakauras you can track your active IP with to help with the decision making. With that said, never cap your rage
warm plinth
As long as you're not overcapping the rage, you're making the right call. You're just going to have less damage and some overcapped IP until you adjust accordingly to your damage intake.
analog creek
Dump that rage anywhere to not cap
winter swan
i do have the weakaura whats the rule on reapplying IP
like when is it a waste to reapply it
analog creek
125%? Someone correct that. Is the max you can have up
vast sedge
1.3
winter swan
ok so reapplying it anywhere above 30 % is a waste
analog creek
If you know a large hit is about to come in I'd recast no matter what
warm plinth
A waste of IP, yes. Not a waste of rage though, since it still applies to Anger Management cooldown reduction.
But yeah if you're at like 35%, and you have a big hit coming in, it's not really a waste.
winter swan
and how much rage do you guys like to pool ?
winter swan
so you dont sit on any rage ?
vast sedge
Nope
warm plinth
The only time you shouldn't immediately spend rage is if you're waiting on SB to come off CD and you won't be able to regain the rage in time to cast it
Any other time, you spend it.
analog creek
Yes, SB uptime is the biggest consideration for rage spending
winter swan
definitely finding things i need to change i really do appreciate the help
analog creek
Max that uptime, then dump
lusty grotto
excuse me
the only Nimmie is my gnome mage
you are not allowed to type impostor
:p
sick sentinel
@lusty grotto how was the fish called
sick sentinel
I just started using him and called him Steve
simple prairie
I am off tanking zaqul in EP heroic and got some questions about the mindtether. Is it magical dmg and I should use ignore pain or is it blockable dmg?
sweet kettle
exotic spoke
@simple prairie who is your co tank
simple prairie
its a druid
exotic spoke
He should be off tanking and you tank the boss
simple prairie
ty, didnt know about the dot, but thought IP was correct
exotic spoke
He can get more self healing, you have more mitigation, so it makes it easier to deal with mind tether
simple prairie
I also thought about that, but she (the druid) is the star of the raid team and doesnt handle 2nd place good.
exotic spoke
She needs to suck up her pride and do what’s best for the raid team
exotic spoke
You’re a team - no one is above being a team player
simple prairie
thanks guys, will inform raid team. Just had to ask the experts!
sick sentinel
Why would blizzard do such thing
exotic spoke
Cause they hate you
analog creek
Just make sure you drop stacks before things start dying
warm plinth
@sick sentinel Because people didn't want bursting/quaking anymore 😂
exotic spoke
@simple prairie also, off tanking doesn’t mean second place. Both are very important roles.
Tanking is more of a tandem role - not a 1st / 2nd
analog creek
A solid tanking team is infinitely better than a single god-tank
exotic spoke
Swear to god. You’re making it sexual now
simple prairie
yep, I also believe that, but not everyone handles stepping down from leading/responsibility very well. I admit we have some issues in the raid team.
lusty grotto
great minds think alike
being offtank is not even being 2nd in the line
if someone thinks that way they are flat out retarded
warm plinth
Yes it is Nim. It's horrible. You're just a second-class citizen. How dare you say such a thing? 😢
warm plinth
❤
lusty grotto
just because im an orc and not a fish like Stewart, i see how it is
exotic spoke
She can still lead Nicolaimy. It’s a better show of leadership to know when another class is better suited for the role.
See what happened in the world first race where the Raid leader sat himself and let the other tank solo tank zaqul while he called from over his shoulder
lusty grotto
(or Steve)
yeah shit even Lord Sco sat down
we shit on him all the time but he concedes to other players when it benefits the team
also Limit's lead
warm plinth
I mean, specifically I just shit on his tank ranking videos 😂
lusty grotto
i just shit on him cause i dislike his hero in Apex
warm plinth
lul
lusty grotto
yelling indom everytime he plants a poison trap
i swear its just me, cause my buddies say they don't hear the indom yelling
oh ghash
i have a present for you
a brand spanking fresh VoD (fresh as in 2 days ago)
knotty wagon
@sullen valve happy?
lusty grotto
1 sec fam looking for it
strange plover
just got a TF 455 ilvl Mchimba's Ritual Bandages.... the trinket isnt even listed on the prot warrior trinket list. Is this thing complete trash even at this ilvl? Currently running a 430 Jes'and a 440 Rezans
sullen valve
YEET
lusty grotto
you wanna see TD derping out?
sand egret
well Lord Sco just got me a sick win last night @lusty grotto them traps are MVP
lusty grotto
like holy shit what the fuck is going on TD
warm plinth
I mean, who doesn't
lusty grotto
ok pming you
dawn sand
Hey, what do you guys think Bloodthirsty Urchin or Edicts of the Faithless (430 both) on 15s Keys?
warm plinth
Well you're definitely not using Edicts this week
What are your other trinket options though?
sand egret
Urchin between those two
exotic spoke
Neither are amazing - both are absorbs / heals so they have reduced effectiveness with necrotic
lusty grotto
well 3 days ago
dawn sand
Poison one from ToS, then couldn't decide between the two of those
warm plinth
Oh yeah I guess neither would work well in Necrotic. Forgot what urchin was for a second
😄
Yikes
That's a bad selection
lusty grotto
poison one from ToS....
warm plinth
Merektha's Fang
lusty grotto
Merektha spotted
dawn sand
Eh, not talking about necrotic specifically
exotic spoke
If you want a defensive trinket this week it would be punch card, eye, or howler
sand egret
why you hating on it, you know it's sitting in your cache right now
lusty grotto
you have to talk about this week though
warm plinth
Blade why would you say that
lusty grotto
you cant just pick general stuff
sand egret
cuz it is
exotic spoke
@dawn sand I straight up wouldn’t run either this week at all.
Technically urchin is rated higher than edicts in survivability
exotic spoke
And I have urchin - so is go urchin
sand egret
Urchin is smexxy
exotic spoke
I just want double dps trinkets - and how I have them. Vial + gore crusted so I’m happy
sand egret
and works with our mitigation vs just working alongside it
lusty grotto
im set on trinkets tho
warm plinth
Shut up Nim
sand egret
edict has the benefit of having the magical option, so it does have its niche
lusty grotto
btw my mage got the rocket stingray trinket with the poison exploition one apparently they are top for dps
warm plinth
What spec is your mage?
onyx venture
how many item levels are sockets worth on rings?
lusty grotto
frost, but i might swap to fire
warm plinth
Probably like...20 ilevels? Something around there.
lusty grotto
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/arthas/Magechip look at this god
goddess i mean
warm plinth
That raid finder gear though
lusty grotto
only 400 ilvl though 😦
random urchin
Yeah, if only it wasn’t RF ilvl
lusty grotto
im only starting to gear her
warm plinth
No excuses
lusty grotto
im all out of pearls
warm plinth
C'mon man
lusty grotto
fishing for socketed benthic
warm plinth
Oh dear
lusty grotto
you see those boots tho
no socket
that can't happen
wtb bracers and belt with socket
warm plinth
Wonder what's better, benthic wrists or the wrists from Mecha (for fire)
warm plinth
Yeah
warm plinth
Yeah, most likely.
exotic spoke
I heard there’s this prot warrior who would sell carries in the past
Maybe he could be convinced to do so again
lusty grotto
hyperthread mistwraps yeah?
warm plinth
Yeah
lusty grotto
hmm
warm plinth
The ones that reduce CDs by 5 seconds or something
lusty grotto
i suppose i could try to get into a normal EP
warm plinth
apparently they're godlike for fire
exotic spoke
Nim, I may be able to help with that
lusty grotto
silence alliance scum!
warm plinth
D:
exotic spoke
Wednesday we do offnight shit with alts / friends / socials
lusty grotto
if i wanna gear nimchy
exotic spoke
Wow, now I don’t want to help
exotic spoke
I was going today at we have a few more weeks of normal and then it swaps to heroic
warm plinth
So what you can do is like
exotic spoke
To say*
warm plinth
Just do everything in Nazjatar
lusty grotto
SMH
warm plinth
And you get pearls
exotic spoke
But, if you’re going to call me alliance scum then Nimchy can fuck right off
lusty grotto
🤔
warm plinth
Sylvanas needs to die in a fire
lusty grotto
no but seriously
exotic spoke
One of the /silly lines as a DiD is
“Some people just want to watch the world burn. I’m one of those people”
lusty grotto
i suppose i could just buy all the pieces on my warrior
and keep sending them
but then to upgrade them EEK
warm plinth
Yeah but you could have done that originally then you would've only spent your mage's pearls productively instead of wasting them fishing
lusty grotto
yeah except i had to buy the stupid crap for the crafting thing
that sets you back a ton
iirc the key pieces are... bracers boots and belt yeah?
what about legs for dps though
100 pearls for 425 wdf
nvm on legs
just those 3
exotic spoke
And god only knows how many to get them
lusty grotto
so 600 in total for all 3 pieces if you're blessed by RNGesus on sockets and the abilities
warm plinth
220
exotic spoke
You’re cute if you think 12 rolls is enough to get them with sockets
lusty grotto
tacos are worth 666gold too
a man can dream riki
i suppose if i kill all rares
every day
at least cause im not doing treasure chests
exotic spoke
I’ve stopped caring about Nazjatar
lusty grotto
why do you think im doing alts now
exotic spoke
What are alts?
tawny lotus
hey guys can you taunt as soon as the tide fist cast starts on radiance or do i gotta wait till the cast finishes?
lusty grotto
wait until the cast finishes
it doesn't apply the debuff until he hits the other tank with it
that's one of the only fights where you should listen to DBM or Bigwigs taunt alerts
the other fights not so much
in fact i don't pay attention to them at all on any of the other fights
swap on barrage, swap on x amount or when healing buff is about to fade, swap on arcing azerite or brinies, swap on add spawns
well
i suppose court is a good one too
twilit kraken
what slot should I gamble a 445 azerite if my current are 420/405/405 respectively?
warm plinth
Shoulders probably, assuming you listed them in order
twilit kraken
yep, thanks
vast sedge
@tawny lotus you can taunt once the cast starts, but be careful as your current tide fist debuff will have like 1s or less on it and you could eat a melee with that debuff
floral sphinx
are you able to get more then one progression sprocket a week?
exotic spoke
You can get two if you do HM. But you have to do HM first for the week
floral sphinx
dam..i gotta do HM then lol
exotic spoke
Since it shares a lockout with normal
pearl river
Im new to tanking, any tips for dealing with bursting this week?
sand egret
yell at your dps for not focus firing
which they'll inevitably do
cuz the hardest thing for dps is to NOT aoe
pearl river
lol
sand egret
salt aside: key is to make sure things dont die all at once
exotic spoke
We actually don’t have a lot of control over bursting - other than not a huge aoe pck with similar hp mobs
twilit kraken
intimidating shout on CD to make sure the pack is nicely spread out and dps can't cleave
exotic spoke
Bursting is a dps affix that punishes healers
sand egret
that we still get blamed for*
ornate gull
so I got a font from Azshara today and I'm struggling to see how I'm supposed to use a channeled spell when tanking or if I should just rage that it didn't show up for my hunter
twilit kraken
idk about punishing
bursting is the only week I'm not bored out of my mind on my healer
warm plinth
Flashback to Vault run during first ever bursting week
sand egret
clearly you dont play disc
twilit kraken
rdrood ftw
warm plinth
This affix combination is actually trash for disc
sand egret
yeah.
low shuttle
if i'm useing 2 dps trinks is eye and barnacle a good choice?
sand egret
this affix combo is also: Play Holy you turds
stuck crown
If I've got 435 Dark Passengers, is it work spending the Azerite on a random 445 Chestpeice? I do not have the heart ilvl to upgrade the chest to 450
exotic spoke
@warm plinth what’s a disc priest in m+?
warm plinth
We have a couple disc priests on our team
sand egret
the one that has the grey health bar, disappeared from your party, and has what looks like a lightning bolt on their portrait
exotic spoke
Do...do you mean shadow priests?
sand egret
naw, the ones that aren't moving at all
honest frigate
@stuck crown Up to you. As prot almost any azerite piece is an upgrade if it's a higher ilvl. You can also save your residuum for a specific piece and wait the long haul if you'd like but it's up to you
stuck crown
@honest frigate you've given me the courage to random. I'm sure by the time I have 200k I'll have zaqul mythic chest anyways
honest frigate
Good luck!
low shuttle
if i'm using 2 dps trinks for M+ is rezans eye and briny barnacle a good choice?
low shuttle
mecha trink vial and red button
exotic spoke
What Ilvl vial?
stuck crown
Nice, rolled Desert Guardian's Breastplate. Time to hit the casino
naive panther
Which one is that one?
twilit kraken
on icy veins are the trait rankings irrespective of how many of said trait you already have?
or am I better off grabbing say a 1st bloodsport instead of a 2nd bastion of might?
stuck crown
regardless of how many.
naive panther
Warden but still solid
stuck crown
yeah
oblique garnet
Ashvane's Warden is better than desert
naive panther
Better than the chest I got. I got a prog chest basically. Use it for fury and use my 420 ash
I meant to say not quite not it
stuck crown
Only thing is I have Dread Waters and Desrt Guardians now
They both have revenge and tclap option on outer ring
...
I may just stack tclap
oblique garnet
ashvane has bastion + meticulous
naive panther
Yeah was my first chest roll last tier.
Well only chest roll. Lots of shoulder rolls
At least it gives you decent options for changing other slots
sand egret
Siphon
stuck crown
ez
dark lark
options for my minor in m+ (most dungeons): rank 3 lucid, rank 2 conflict, rank 2 aegis? probably run nullifcation for shrine and maybe KR. thoughts?
random urchin
Assuming heed my call is better for M+ than lifespeed or am I mistaken?
dark lark
I run heed for the small damage boost
pearl river
Any know any good video guides for mythic plus tanking?
distant crystal
@random urchin heed is better dmg, if you ever pull things with heroic throw that are near cc'd mobs
you'll occasionally break cc with it
but p minor
knotty wagon
Anodized deflectors, thoughts? They sim well compared to 400 bracers @415
warm plinth
Define well?
knotty wagon
100dps per target
Above 400 ilvl bracers
The defensive protionnis front loaded to 6s every 30s
Portion
This is single target
warm plinth
Is it the 3681 or whatever to every target? Or split?
knotty wagon
I think it's to each target
from what I observed, I can try to more thoroughly test
warm plinth
If it is, then for strictly DPS, I'd use it over the 415s. But defensively the effect is pretty crap even used on CD
So I'd use the higher ilevel for general/survival
warm plinth
Oh okay
I missread
So yeah I'd use those anyway
Just use the effect on CD. Not enough damage to be worth holding it for anything
knotty wagon
Yeah I have it macro'd into clap rn
I cant be bothered to manually activate every 30s
warm plinth
Don't blame you lol
carmine light
So bursting and necrotic seem sucky.
warm plinth
👍
random urchin
@distant crystal Good to know, never even thought about it popping on a throw and messing up cc. Thanks
distant crystal
yeah it's a p rare case but can really ruin your day when it happens :p
exotic spoke
So, I need help guys.
knotty wagon
Whatchu need help with fren
exotic spoke
I need a new team name for m+ / MDI tournament realm. The next one
warm plinth
He needs help being a good warrior
sand egret
dude I told you, Rigatony is comin
exotic spoke
They didn’t like our old one “Ruck Fob”
exotic spoke
And well, we didn’t get to go anyway cause I live in Maryland
sand egret
that shit gets me every time
warm plinth
I love that quote
sand egret
you know there's some dude who put that in with legal just GLARING at him
warm plinth
lolol
sand egret
like "ITS THE LORE MAN"
warm plinth
My friend loves nagas and I hate them
exotic spoke
It’s kinda overplayed. Ever since BC “naga in slave pens” “naga stole my horse” etc
knotty wagon
It's a good team name
warm plinth
So this is his Discord name now
knotty wagon
<Except the Naga>
warm plinth
exotic spoke
Apparently our last one was too vulgar. I don’t know why
knotty wagon
You know exactly why
sand egret
mmhmmmm
warm plinth
I want someone to name their MDI warrior EricClapton
sand egret
EricClapATon
warm plinth
XD
sand egret
GrandmasterClap
knotty wagon
Someone has that character name
warm plinth
Oh I'm sure they do
sand egret
really unimpressed with the lack of a cohesive naming scheme on toons made fro MDI
knotty wagon
warm plinth
oh lul
exotic spoke
We changed our details name on live blade. Does that count?