anyone got the full link?
#protection
peak lily
warm plinth
peak lily
thanks
sharp dragon
what keys did you guys farm for shields?
warm plinth
Atal, UR, Tol Dagor, Temple, Motherlode all drop shields
Can also get one from Mecha but obviously lower base ilevel (assuming you're farming +10ish keys)
warm plinth
Mmhm
warm plinth
I mean, most people are gonna run it anyway since visions
Unless you have r3 already
brittle owl
yeah but like, for most classes visions is a meme
like what, prot woyer, vdh, hpala and maybe balance use it as a non meme essence
sand egret
there's a few more iirc
warm plinth
I know 🤔 But we're in Skyhold, so I assume anyone asking about shields in here is a prot warrior lol.
Anyway, farming keys is definitely the better strategy since as you said, higher ilevel.
sand egret
and you can do more than one a week 😃
warm plinth
Yeah, that too
I did my first clear of hard mode yesterday (on my HDH). Was pretty fun tbh.
It was interesting seeing how much easier it was since we tried it week 1 going in fully blind XD
sand egret
i liked hard mode, the last boss gave me real Destiny vibes
warm plinth
Week 1 we got hung up on HK-8 and couldn't pass it. Today we one-shot everything until KUJO. We wiped once on him because we didn't realize the big damage throwing the waste did. Easily killed him second time. Then I think we had like 8 or so wipes on Mecha just learning the hard mode process but overall still fairly easy.
Er, not today but yesterday I mean
exotic spoke
Two more weeks until everyone in my group has the mount. Hoping to have rank 4 by then
red wedge
Tomorrow will be my first time trying Hard Mode :P
warm plinth
Yeah I didn't get the mount or helm but I run with the same group so we'll eventually all get it. Not worried about it.
Love the Jetsons sound effect of the mount though
analog creek
The tease of titanforge on the mechagon 'set' rings will have me running it forever.
red wedge
I wonder what Mechagon M+ will be like
brittle owl
like hardmode prolly
analog creek
Rumor has is M+ has been scrapped
brittle owl
tbh
warm plinth
Nah, I doubt hard mode will be in M+
red wedge
wat? That makes me sad.
warm plinth
It's gonna be bad enough having the detection bots section in M+. They're not gonna have us pressing fuckin buttons every 45 seconds too
brittle owl
at high enough levels
warm plinth
If they do, they're just fuckin cruel
red wedge
I mean. Detection Bots = Orbs in Temple.
warm plinth
Except worse because I can carry orbs if I need to
brittle owl
yeah the bots are a meme
warm plinth
I can't run other people through that gauntlet
red wedge
Imeant the spinny orbs
brittle owl
just don't stand in em
red wedge
That send you backwards if you touch them
warm plinth
Oh, eh. Those are way easier though
Lot less to dodge than the bots, especially if people start to get impatient with the bots
red wedge
I get what y'all are saying though. I, personally, also hate "events" in m+
warm plinth
I wouldn't be mad if they removed the bot part from M+ tbh. They can be a bit trolly sometimes
If you start the event at an awkward time and have that horrible group up of the 3 in the start and have to wait 25 seconds or so for an opening
red wedge
We can leap over them and laugh/cry as people get ported back
red wedge
lol can you? I am 100% gonna troll people tomorrow.
exotic spoke
Oh you certainly can
red wedge
muahaha
warm plinth
I haven't tested if I can double jump/fel rush over them yet. Usually it works on anything leap does though
red wedge
I love trolling my group when we're just doing whatever.
exotic spoke
Trust me - I find ways to troll my guild members. Ideally murder them in dungeons / raids too
The true troll is one willing to die for the cause of trolling.
red wedge
omg. I tried so goddamn hard to kill people in low keys with the uunat trinket
Would just leap onto the ranged, pop it and then intercept back to the mobs :P
exotic spoke
You can’t actually kill them with the trinket unfortunately
red wedge
I'd do it during unavoidable burst damage.
exotic spoke
That can kill them. Though it’s only a little bit of damage
red wedge
I never got anyone
But definitely made some people wary of me whenever I did certain pulls
analog creek
I dont think the trinket is what made them wary
exotic spoke
Swap blasters in raid next to falls that will kill them
red wedge
hehe
exotic spoke
Swap blaster someone strafing and then laugh
warm plinth
Oh you know what might be a good one? Swap blaster someone running forward while standing in front of the door going back toward Zul after 3rd boss in KR. Cutscene triggering while running makes you keep running lol
And it doesn't stop easily either. I usually have to spam a few different directions to get the auto run to stop
random urchin
Hey guys. Recently got the itch to start gearing up my warrior alt in M+ and wondering what essences you recommend? Right now I’m just running vision major and dreams minor. Seems pretty good so far but if their are better combos out there I would love to know.
exotic spoke
Nullification rank 3 is very good.
CoF and anima are also used by some people.
Anima / CoF pretty much only as a major.
Nullification as a minor
random urchin
Crucible? I don’t think I even considered it. I know it pumps out some damage at rank 3.
brittle owl
pumps even before that
exotic spoke
Which is why people use it. I tend to use it on tyrannical weeks and anima on fortified
toxic gyro
I run visions + c&s minor for fort and visions & crucible for tyrannical
random urchin
Good to know. Thanks guys!
exotic spoke
What does conflict give as a minor?
toxic gyro
A lot of vers
exotic spoke
Eh, I guess that’s alright
toxic gyro
And any crowd control effect from mobs doubles it
analog creek
I've been running visions major, and either crucible or nullification minor.
I'd probably use lucid minor over c&s minor
toxic gyro
Aegis r3 minor is good too for fort if u pull pretty big packs
analog creek
It leads to a ton of wasted rage
exotic spoke
I just want more dps
analog creek
Aegis has really low max stack uptime
toxic gyro
There is one minor that also gives u permanently over 300 haste and 30% slow on mobs
analog creek
Supression
toxic gyro
Yea
exotic spoke
I’d have to sim, 300 haste is nice but I doubt that outdpses CoF anima / null rank 3
analog creek
CoF generally is your best dmg minor
Unless you can always pop the bull barrier
Null*
toxic gyro
Yea major is pretty shitty unless your team lacks crowd control and u use it to reset stacks on nevrotic weeks
wispy plume
I am pretty pumped for null rank 3. Should get it in the next few days. Gonna be nice for all the bulls hit trash mobs that cast big ass hits
warm plinth
Dwarf master race
analog creek
My go to when I have all 3 unlocked will be vision major, CoF and lucid minor
analog creek
M+
manic cypress
Hello my prot brothers , should prot warriors be using cyclotronic punch card for mythic ashvane?
exotic spoke
I know. I stand by my statement
toxic gyro
Avatar with 3x bom gives tons of survivability and dmg
exotic spoke
Yeah, but you get more dps from other options
manic cypress
riki are u replying me?
toxic gyro
Not for m+
exotic spoke
No - archaous / bandi
analog creek
CoF is not more dmg in m+ compared to visions
analog creek
Anima could be, week dependant
toxic gyro
Anima is good too
manic cypress
Anyone here with mythic ashvane experience? can share if its more beneficial for me to run cyclotronic punch card?
exotic spoke
Anima on fort and CoF for tyrannical as majors imo
toxic gyro
I just like visions more
manic cypress
also i see on WCL alot of warriors using devastator? is that the go to now for more dps?
exotic spoke
Yes, if you can sacrifice the survivability you probably should use cyclotronic Obama
manic cypress
i would be losing the haste bonus from red punch card
i'm j usjt not so certain how much of a dps boost it is
oblique garnet
👏
eternal plover
Wish they would change anima minor to reduce the major CD on each heal. It would make much more sense! And give a good reason to stay >35%.
toxic gyro
I mean avatar with 3x bom is basically like another defensive, you basically critically block every hit
distant crystal
do i dare loot my cache with prot loot spec tomorrow
exotic spoke
Avatar is another defensive 😛 we typically don’t need more of them
distant crystal
i really need a 1h but i really really don't need a tank trinket
warm plinth
inb4 
eternal plover
455 indestructible shield inc ?
exotic spoke
What do you need waat?
distant crystal
a 1h
red wedge
God.. I scrapped a 445 sporepod the other day.
distant crystal
rocking a 415 from world boss atm ~_~
oblique garnet
warm plinth
Can't get a 455 shield from M+ weekly 😬
red wedge
Running 445 edicts, and a 430 vial atm.
analog creek
I'm still fishing for a shield, 430 socketed best I've gotten so far
distant crystal
my best dmg setup right now is 440 block and 430 barnacle
red wedge
I'm really hoping for a weapon or shield upgrade in tomorrow's cache. That'd be the dream
distant crystal
same
red wedge
Also looking forward to my first 445 azerite tomorrow :P
distant crystal
my chest is BFI BBI right now
toxic gyro
I got this week 455 2h from radiance and brolled 445 shield 😁
red wedge
Nice!
distant crystal
yeah i'm rolling fury on radiance always now
analog creek
I've coined radiance every week, and orgazoa 1x, still no mythic shield
eternal plover
Can u even do that @toxic gyro ?
distant crystal
i'll take trinket or 2h
@summer dust yeah you can change loot spec before you bonus roll
red wedge
I'm not running mythic raid this tier. Maybe when cross-realm pugs come out, but meh.
toxic gyro
It was from mythic radiance
exotic spoke
Yeah change your loot spec before bonus roll
distant crystal
but loot spec when the boss dies is your loot spec for the drops
can't change before looting
exotic spoke
Second / third bosses are loot piñata
toxic gyro
Yes u can swap loot spec for broll
eternal plover
Didnt know that changing specs counted after the mob had died
analog creek
It dosent
red wedge
It only does as long as the loot hasn't already been rolled.
distant crystal
only for bonus
exotic spoke
You can for bonus rolls. Not for what came from the boss
red wedge
The moment a chest spawns, or boss dies, your loot has been rolled.
analog creek
The moment the loot is generated is when it checks your loot spec
red wedge
Yea. That's a more accurate way of saying it.
exotic spoke
It’s schrondingers loot - both amazing and shit until you open it up
eternal plover
Ah i see.. useful for gearing offspecs later :) Cheers
exotic spoke
That is correct. It only works on bonus rolls.
distant crystal
did that for m champs last tier
got shield, bonus rolled weap
:D
we did a ghetto heroic split this weekend and the RL demon hunter was pestering everyone to doublecheck loot specs on ashvane
boss dies, he loots a forged urchin
and starts cussing himself
warm plinth
lmao
exotic spoke
Oof
On our alt night - an alt got a 455 trinket that our main DH wanted
He was salty
distant crystal
one of our tanks got a coral
and decided he needed it more than our melee
while we're progging ashvane
:/
exotic spoke
Hooray personal loot
exotic spoke
Eh, personal loot is fucking cancer
distant crystal
seems like they could allow master loot for 100% guild runs only
if they really cared about ninjas
i think they just want to curb split runs
or like, mythic 100% guild runs only would be nice
exotic spoke
Personal loot doesn’t do that though. They still did split runs with personal loot.
It just feels super shitty that blizzard says “you can’t trade this cause it’s an upgrade” but it’s not an upgrade and someone else needs it
warm plinth
I mean, if they really wanted to prevent splits they'd just make you unable to run heroic and mythic in the same week on the same toon.
I think Blizz just wants to feel like they know better than you or something lol
analog creek
Imagine a game the requires you to own a higher ilvl item to trade loot while simultaneously making 425s bis in raid.
sharp plank
how many stacks should your cotank have on orgozoa before taunting off for the first time
on normal
analog creek
6-7
distant crystal
my alt mage got lure and shiver first heroic
meanwhile our main raider casters are fishing in normal/lfr for lures
red wedge
I think my guild's mythic raid got their very first venom or something just this past reset.
I dunno. I haven't been paying a lot of attention to EP loot.
analog creek
On normal orgazoa stacks dont really matter tbh, dont hit 10 and don't miss soaks.
red wedge
I jsut know they've been bitching about smething not dropping, then everyone was so happy when 1 dropped this week
sharp plank
tanks in my group are arguing about when to taunt
i dont know how much more simple it is than "just taunt when we are done dancing"
analog creek
Properly done, tank 2 should taunt when adds spawn
red wedge
You need to swap at 6-7 so you can soak the puddles when the adds die, iirc
analog creek
Tank 1 then tanks adds until they die and soaks puddles.
You dont need stacks to soak on normal
Once the adds are done, tank 1 takes boss back
Rinse/repeat
Short answer, they swap when adds spawn, then when debuff falls off
floral sphinx
is cruible of flames the way to go in raids?
versed blade
For dps
floral sphinx
vision for def?
west kayak
CoF and Null both R3 good for raid/M+ dps?
warm plinth
Null is probably better for raids than dungeons, but it depends on the dungeon.
More specifically, how frequently you can break the bubble
steel dawn
What traits you guys running for m+ this week specifically? And essences
west kayak
@warm plinth What would you run for M+ for dps?
warm plinth
Probably Vision/CoF/Anima major (depending on what I had/what week it is) and for minor probably some combination of Vision/Null/Lucid/Sphere
Definitely need Vision as first minor though, at least
warm plinth
Rank 2 is fine for Vision anyway. You get the vers bonus on r3 but it's not the important part of the minor anyway
west kayak
Sounds like I should run CoF Major and Visions Minor til I hit 65 and then use Null Minor?
warm plinth
So with just one minor, I'd probably do like CoF major, Vision minor on tyr weeks. And then fort weeks probably either Vision major Lucid minor or Anima major, vision minor. Hard to say for sure because I haven't had enough experience with the two majors to make a good comparison
tawny lotus
hey guys can you taunt as soon as the tide fist cast starts on radiance or do i gotta wait till the cast finishes?
warm plinth
Yeah but Null is highly dependent on dungeon. Like Freehold would probably be a shit dungeon to run Null for example, since you could break it on CD in some packs but most of the time you're gonna be taking nothing magical to break it
west kayak
Sounds good@warm plinth , thank you for the info.
violet coyote
orc troll tauren or undead for classic now? 🤔
warm plinth
Orc for the massive shoulders of course
violet coyote
hmm, i guess best use would be tauren cuz more hp...
crystal nexus
What's prot warirors main stats
violet coyote
not in classic
warm plinth
Check out the guide in the pins @crystal nexus
warm plinth
Even people who can are having issues getting names to go through from what I hear
The accept button won't work for them so they have to keep backing out and trying again.
oblique garnet
I mean i cant even choose classic as option to launch 
carmine light
How worth it is it to keep grinding to get the mechagon null essence ?
oblique garnet
Very
warm plinth
Am I the only person who (if I were home) wants to just log in to classic to make names so other people can't have them? Like all the stereotypical shit that you know people will snatch up immediately like two-letter names and shit
exotic spoke
Do it and sell them later
But then you have classic gold which is worthless to me
So meh
warm plinth
Well you could just advertise on BfA
Like WTS the name Sword on classic for 5 million gold here
lol
exotic spoke
But then they’d have to have gold on my server (a dead server too) and want to buy a name on one specific server
warm plinth
Not sure how you'd really get someone to do it though
exotic spoke
And I’d have to have that name
distant crystal
just grab Asmongold and Mcconnel
warm plinth
No one would trust the other person
warm plinth
lolol
The funny thing is that the streamers' fans are likely to get the streamer's name instead of the streamer
oblique garnet
@warm plinth The type of man to snatch Late from me 😦 had to bribe my friend to use his one reservation to get it for me monkaS
warm plinth
I would never do that to you ❤
exotic spoke
Got a guild mate to grab Riki on our server
Refuse to let some pleb sully my name. I can do that well enough on my own
thick slate
Ten thousand queue on eu
warm plinth
Yeah what happens when they do better than you and then you have to improve. Yikes
thick slate
Guess people know prot wars were meta before it was cool
exotic spoke
They won’t ghash... they won’t
warm plinth
lol
I mean, tbf, prot war was the meta tank in vanilla because it was really the only viable one for raid content lol. Paladins and druids both have to pay the hybrid tax in vanilla; you get to be lackluster in all 3 specs
spice ferry
aka play your healer spec because thats the only thing you're good at
warm plinth
Yep
exotic spoke
FUCK! They got it on the wrong server
warm plinth
RIP 😦
grand drum
lol that happened for streamers as well, they got logged into the wrong servers
exotic spoke
He has an hour and 15 minutes to resolve his mistake before there are dire consequences
carmine light
So the null essence is good for the magic barrier or the damage it does? Only good rank 2 and up? Or at rank 1?
crisp spruce
It's okay as a minor both for the shield but especially the damage. I would be hesitant to use it before rank 3.
crisp spruce
Null Barrier was doing uh...13-15% of my damage or so on Sivara last night. Almost 2k DPS. And the same healing, of course. I'd consider 2k DPS for a minor essence pretty good, and 2k HPS to be whatever. Hence why, yes, you'd need to be fairly desperate for survivability to use it at rank 2.
tender burrow
still no artifact skin 😦
warm plinth
Sad times
fresh vigil
what Essence combo is reccomended for Prot Warrior M+ specific
distant crystal
vision/lucid is the normal go-to
fresh vigil
ok ty
formal rune
What would be ya 3rd choice for minor once hit 65 for m+??
distant crystal
maybe conflict? not sure
crucible minor might beat out the vers from conflict ye
or maybe even ripple
for that fat str when you charge in
rocky flicker
so for all you classic prots out here im like 80% on my spec do you think the deep fury prot spec will shine
you go down to flurry then prot
spice ferry
might be better off in #vanilla-discussion
reef fulcrum
what is the minimum ilvl required for +10? I haven't played in a while and I'm 420 already
curious because +9 is too easy
spice ferry
420 is easily enough
prisma crane
honestly, from a tanking standpoint 10s are hardly any different than 9s. You may have some issues on pulls with the tides emissary, but other than that, it just changes when you'd use CDs and path or pace of some dungeons
unkempt palm
420 is good but with pugs being around 430-435 right now it may be difficult for you to find pugs
@reef fulcrum
reef fulcrum
Thanks!
spice ferry
Yeh exactly, it’s just the change of having emissaries to consider. It’s marginally more hp on mobs and damage taken
junior ivy
hi
undone sun
hi
exotic spoke
Hi
north trout
hi
zenith vine
hi
spice ferry
Hi
real thunder
so reading the guides, Ilvl is above all on non-azerite pieces. What if i have a 415 socketed shield but got a 430 shield drop? Does the socket make it better or just choose the highest ILvl shield no matter what?
warm plinth
Ilevel on shield and weapon aren’t sacrificed for anything
Can’t socket block rating or weapon DPS
real thunder
thx
sharp dragon
how important is ilvl on shield? Is that the difference of getting destroyed and being much tankier? I just transitioned to prot for the first time since uldir and my shield is 385 and im trying to farm for a 430 right now
Is that 385 making a mongo difference?
grand drum
berry important
sharp dragon
im praying to RNGsus for a 440 tomorrow
warm plinth
Yeah block rating is everything for our survival. Second only to proper play.
Assuming you’re taking blockable damage which is most of the time
sharp dragon
I have like ~30%ish block rating with this shield so ill assume it goes up a bunch
Also proper play definitely isnt there yet haha its easy to do my damage rotation but managing our 2 trillion defensives is difficult to me
I came from VDH where i have 1 defensive button
warm plinth
30ish, is that with nothing targeted? Or are you looking at the “against current target” thing
willow scarab
With nothing targeted most of us are closer to 50% for reference
And it’s halved against bosses basically so we have 25 to your 15
sharp dragon
Damn yeah im way far behind. I need a shield
So you guys spam ignore pain when ever you have the resources for it as long as youre taking incoming damage?
tawny maple
Anyone else feel like sockets and bonus stats are like SUPER easy to find in m+ gear, but not ilvl upgrades?
warm plinth
@sharp dragon Shield Block is infinitely more important to maintain than Ignore Pain. Essentially you use SB (or Last Stand if SB is unavailable with Bolster talented) at all times you’re taking blockable damage, and with your extra rage you decide on gaining further defense with IP or casting Revenge for a bit more damage if you don’t need more defense.
old night
what minor essence are you all running on mythic ashvane
i was gonna do vision/worldvein minor
mystic whale
is there anything cool that can be bypassed/cheesed by rank3 nullification dynamo in raids ?
spice ferry
Yeh worldvein is good if enough are running
limpid pawn
nomeratur your UI is awesome
what exactly is that keeping track of raid cd's and externals and whatnot?
and also the huge thing keeping track of ashvane's shield - is this big wigs?
sick sentinel
so I looted a 430 Jes tonight; I'm just wondering if it would be better than a 425 vial or a 425 gore-crusted butcher's block, mainly for mythic raiding. We just started Mythic on Saturday.
tawny maple
@sick sentinel sim it
sick sentinel
I'll sim it, but I'm not particularly worried about dps at this point. Trying to get max defense while healers are gearing up in mythic
tawny maple
If you're not worried about damage than go with Jes
I would go vial and Jes if I were you, but idk what sims
spice ferry
the defensive utility of jes is basically non existant
what is it a few % dr for a 12 seconds on a 2min cd
sick sentinel
yeah it's just pretty shit, isn't it? I'll sim it for dps just to see
yep, it's shit, 200dps loss either way, feelsbad
spice ferry
warriors have a bunch of cd's to rotate through, personally i dont really think having a piss weak version of a CD is worth the trinket slot
unless you got a juicy tf
sick sentinel
yeah, makes sense
willow scarab
@limpid pawn I’m not sure what he’s using because I don’t have his UI open but most people use Expedia Raid Tools for raid cooldowns and a weakaura to track Ashvane shield
@old night use null r3, the damage profile is half magic damage and the dps from null helps push the dps check
Exorsus raid tools**
@sick sentinel only reason to use Jes is if you suck at doing damage and like playing as tanky as possible. That way you’re using the better defensive trinket AND helping your dps make up for your lack of dps. Otherwise vial macrod to avatar and gore block is your best setup
sick sentinel
@willow scarab thanks man; that's how I'm set up now; I'm just going to keep it that way. I'm ready for new trinks because these are my lowest slots, but they will come 😃
willow scarab
Tfw 445 every slot except trinkets and weapon, and your trinkets and weapon are the worst options
spice ferry
f
im almost the same actually
trinkets and shield tho 😦
praying for a 445 coral when we get her
floral forum
I have to tank this week in mythic raid. which two should I use?
I guess how good is the gleaming eye for prot wararior
brittle owl
yeah
empty inlet
brittle owl
defensively those are poop in raid
talking the urchin and diamond
of you die you'll die due to playing poorly
and those trinkets won't save you
frank lava
Wait there's another way to play tank than go absolute max dps? Didn't play in a while lmao
brittle owl
yes it's called being a LIMIT tank
astral hare
And when such tank swaps to max dps, it’s called Limit Break
brittle owl
🚀
frank lava
Wasn't method the break-guild
opaque vine
Why is the diamond poop? Yeah ilvl is loe but its still our best defensive trinket isnt it? Ofc barring all defensive trinkets being quite shitty since atleast legion
sick sentinel
@opaque vine mael said that ashvane+briny are poop defensively
sick sentinel
Ya that was referring to the thing after
opaque vine
Yeah okay, that makes alot more sense
tawny maple
Who runs defensive trinkets in raid 😤
sick sentinel
People who are forced to tank
opaque vine
I actually used diamond with socket for our hc zaqul & ashvane firstkills cause it felt like our healers were a little stretched
(Pls dont stone me)
tawny maple
Tank trinkets are a trap I'm convinces
You get them from raid -> but they are garbo in raid
tawny maple
I only run one defensive trinket right now for m+and that's because I don't have block yet and like edicts alot
tawny maple
Yeah see I'm an engineer so my ideal would also be rezans/gore because I like trinkets like that
Not a big fan of briny barncle and vial...I run vial on tyrannical weeks but it's fortified so /shrug
Just like Rezans + Edict this week
mint imp
Thats why i play monk in raid and warr for mplus
opaque vine
Wasnt briny nerfed pretty badly some time ago?
strong forum
All numerical trinkets got buffed with 8.2
opaque vine
Huh, didnt even know...😩
strong forum
Or rather anything that had a does X dmg / healing / absorb got changed so it scales with secondaries resulting in like a 100% buff
opaque vine
Ohh right, the no longer scaling wirh primaries thing. Wow, looks like i underestimated that pretty badly
mint imp
Isnt 430 edict better than 415 diamond?
sick sentinel
One of them scales hard with haste
And one not at all
You could test them and see how much hps they are doing
mint imp
question is if diamond can absorb magic damage?
sick sentinel
But keep in mind if you're at 1,4k haste or at 2k haste its completely different caliber
Yes it can
mint imp
which one scales with haste?
sick sentinel
Diamond
strong forum
Pretty sure 430 urchin does more
sick sentinel
Diamond scales with haste and vers but edict only vers
strong forum
Since its like 9k every 3 seconds
sick sentinel
Urchin is better than both I think
tawny maple
Edict is better for mythic+
ionic fern
Ooh, btw @strong forum i did like 23 crates yesterday in 30m so thanks for that.
Will do the other 17 today.
strong forum
Edict is only better once you have the fanaticism stackd
And you lose your stacks if you swap schools or die
sick sentinel
@tawny maple all that matters is what will give you more damage absorbed at the end of the dungeon
strong forum
So a 430 edict, idk if its better. 445 definetely
tawny maple
@sick sentinel Yeah depending on the dungeon but i average like 4.5k absorbed
with Edict
strong forum
I ran a 415 edict couple weeks back, did fucking nothing, I couldn't even get max stacks in a dungeon
What do you mean average like 4.5k absorbed, diamond does like 5.2mil a dungeon, that's what I know
strong forum
Diamond is straight 2.5k hps
sick sentinel
It's all about hps but ya
sick sentinel
@strong forum depending on haste
strong forum
Well
On my vdh and my warri it's around that
Pretty equal
With huge difference in haste
Atleast I think 🤔
opaque vine
But vdh doesnt get 6%+ for free does it?
strong forum
All I know is that Dh has more crit than other classes
Idk if that's a fact, but it sure as hell feels like it
sick sentinel
Vdh doesn't want crit
strong forum
has =/= want
sick sentinel
Sure
tawny maple
Lmao
Do you guys have screenshots of urchin that shit feels bad to me
I think the last time I used it I only healed like 1 mil of damage
mint adder
I have a feeling urchin scales better with brm than prot
mint adder
Ya
strong forum
But in high keys everybody takes enough dmg to perma cap out on urchin
I would assume
If you don't take dmg urchin obv doesn't heal for shit
mint adder
Probably pairs well with brm crit
F
And someone was saying that edict is eh in m+?
That depends heavily on damage taken too
strong forum
Yup
mint adder
Would you say the required dtps is higher on edict to fully utilize it
tawdry cedar
is lurkers any good for prot
vs socketed venom trinket from sethraliss
415 vs 430
strong forum
Edict needs higher ilvl and long encounters
Minimum of roughly 7 minutes until it at full stacks
opaque vine
I dont have one yet, how long do fanatical dtaxks keep going till they run out?
manic cypress
Everyone here play devastator?
What happens when shield slam / thunderclap / revenge all on CD and theres no rage for IP
cinder pasture
You just stand there twiddling your thumbs until one becomes available
manic cypress
is there no filler?
ionic fern
@manic cypress Devastator is usually only played when going for ST DPS.
There are not many times where you have nothing to press so don't worry about it.
manic cypress
recently switched to devastator and i must say i'm not used to it
ionic fern
But in general if it does happen then yes - you just wait a bit.
manic cypress
Hey Mwahi good to hear from you , i'm actually starting to play Devastator for first 4 mythic bosses
ok ty , just making sure i'm not missing any part of my rotation
ionic fern
Nice. : )
manic cypress
really trying to squeeze out every bit of dps for ashvane
also is there a weakaura out there to make sure i'm always facing boss?
like some times when i turn ashvane it gets funny and i feel i'm not hitting boss
might be a few seconds but it bothers me
brittle owl
@opaque vine at max fanaticism edicts will absorb between 1 and 4 autoattacks vs a boss (assuming 12%ish vers)
manic cypress
i watched a kill vid where this tank had this weakaura i believe that makes a sound whenever he isnt facing boss
brittle owl
talking the phys absorb bit
ionic fern
Shouldn't really need a WA for that. o.o
brittle owl
it's 168k absorb, vs magic dmg it's substantial, but it could just get eaten by trivial damage since you don't control when to pop it
to put it in perspective, mchimba's is, at 440 ilvl, on a 1.5 min cd, a 179k absorb before vers
i don't see a world where edicts is remotely prefferable in any type of content
ionic fern
You in game @brittle owl ?
undone sun
they can be
opaque vine
I was more wondering about whether or not stacks fall off between m+ trash groups
brittle owl
i know someone in dh discord kept a 410 mchimbas and when it got buffed it had a 120ish k absorb on it
so at least on mchimba it seems consistent somewhat
opaque vine
Also what are everyones favorite m+ trinkets? Just the highest simming ones?
Currently im using my 445 Rezans and 430 inkpod which overall does quite good damage
mint imp
rezan + gore actually
sick sentinel
Coral and rezans
sick sentinel
Coral is big yike in keys
sick sentinel
can you guys confirm taking barrels out of the room in tol dagor is dumb as fuck? im pretty sure it is right?
sick sentinel
every tol dagor key i do, someone takes out barrels
rapid tide
Just take the left front one to the right to have a clear corner.
sick sentinel
every. single. one
ionic fern
Anyone in game who can tell me their haste % and SS CD?
rapid tide
Trying to explain people mechanics when they are 100% sure they are in the right will never go right.
Easiest is to avoid such people.
Or deal with them. Like putting the barrels out does not make the boss impossible.
Just has you deal with barrels earlier.
sick sentinel
has it ever been a good idea?
rapid tide
nah
sick sentinel
or was it patched after release because that tactic was op somehow?
sick sentinel
so why are people doing it in the first place? lol
rapid tide
We did it too back then, people told us it was great.
sick sentinel
i remember seeing guides about during release to take them out
rapid tide
Ye.
random urchin
No. It was a dumb strat from launch of bad that spread like wildfire. Now all the fools out there think it works.
rapid tide
Maybe they changed it or sth so that they respawn earlier and beginning of bfa they didn't.
But idk.
We did it like week 1 of bfa.
And never again after.
🤷
sick sentinel
from now on im telling people to not take them out before the key starts
its just so annoying
random urchin
It easier and faster to just move the barrel into the other corner
sick sentinel
i usually move everything to the right and stick to the left
strong forum
Moving out the barrels out of the room is stupid
All you do is, tank boss in the very middle
And move out the barrels that will get hit
Just barely out of hit range
Done.
rapid tide
Tanking in the middle is the easiest way.
Tanking in the front left corner and having healer take all barrels to the opposite side of room is the safest in my experience with pugs.
(replace with healer with any other person you are premade with)
strong forum
Well I don't pug.
rapid tide
Oh ye.
In coordinated groups we do it in the middle too.
But too many people are not used to that.
strong forum
If its not full group I refuse to do keys
Cuz it's not fun with randoms
Cuz you can't meme and do stupid shit and still laugh
rapid tide
Idk, we are not doing high keys, only up to 17 but we mostly pug 2-3 people and it's quite fine.
rapid tide
We do get them on Discord most of the time tho.
And when we want fun meme runs we just do some 11-14s with shit alts in a full premade 😄
strong forum
Like, with pugs I feel like you are forced to play seriously, so cba
rapid tide
oh ye, definitely.
We kinda just don't have 5 people that can do 16/17s.
So we do fully rely on pugs there although we normally have 20-30 people on friendlist that we know are capable
So we can take from there.
strong forum
Like, we failed ToS 15 yesterday in Alt run cuz 2 people died like 20 times to cleave
Fucking giga kek
rapid tide
Like getting a cleave directly after breath in a big pull... I mean ye okay, that can happen sometimes.
Buuuuuut not there
rapid tide
Ye, I see it now.
strong forum
But on that pull I had 55k hps as vdh
rapid tide
Still weird.
strong forum
So that was fun
rapid tide
Yeee that's what I thought 😄
random urchin
Do we know what affixes we will have after reset today in the US?
ionic fern
No.
random urchin
😢
sharp plank
how do i promote someone to main tank in lfr
we have no tanks but a dps stepped up and swapped specs
but i want his frame in the correct place
floral sphinx
I think you go to the raid group (O) and right click his name...but I’m not sure at all...never had to do it
cobalt trellis
how is undulating tides for prot? dmg and surv-wise?
random urchin
I’m not a fan of tides due to the downtime imposed by the shield. It does pretty good damage though
mint imp
pretty good in both dmg and surv, but i would not put it ahead of bom,dc or if
random urchin
Yeah, on paper both the shield and damage are nice. It’s just the 45 sec of it being completely inactive that I’m not too keen on.
cobalt trellis
just noticed that the piece where undulating tides is an option is the only one available with dc.. on the same row.. thx anyways
mint imp
if thats your only one dc, go for dc... if that dc would be your second i would choose tides
sick sentinel
Same
exotic spoke
Agree
carmine light
I want to up my rider io score. Not sure how. Seem sany key above 10 in pugs we miss the timer. I think I’m going to be that guy that requires discord. Unless any one here want to help. I don’t know all the pathing etc for all the dungeon. 429 fury 427 prot.
sick sentinel
Experience
You can't complete if you don't deplete
Just keep at it
You don't need discord until like 16s
mint imp
agree, experience is the key 😃
sick sentinel
Experience is the key for keys
carmine light
Yes we’ll on ad 11 today first boss I say please run in water if fixated not on land and there’s 3 dink’s before boss does first fear.
exotic spoke
It’s all about experience. Learning the fights, learning what’s deadly and what can be ignored
carmine light
Dino’s not dink
sick sentinel
Why not run in the water
carmine light
I need to learn pathing and skips ast tank Ik ad tos ur and freehold decentyl.
exotic spoke
He was saying they should run in water
carmine light
Yes and they did not lol. Wiped if first boss. I left. All low io but problem is mines only like 600 so I don’t get invited. I try to push my own keys.
mint imp
if you have the possibility just run mplus with friends (y)
carmine light
Don’t have the possibility. Some of them are worse than pugs lol
willow scarab
Learn how to maximise your own play and then slowly crawl up in io through pugs until you’ve got a respectable enough score to go to a real key
Learn routes and how to perfectly play warrior. Research is 70% of gaining io
carmine light
I have a bad ass dh and a monk when they all on at same time. Land a prot pally.
mint imp
well learn routes is now kinda difficult as each week is different and not all emissary spots have been showed yet
carmine light
Lol head first baby we are warriors.
willow scarab
Then you got educated by friends who researched for sure
You don’t just luck into skips
sick sentinel
People tell me about them yea
90% of my routes are mine
Then people in my group tell me about something somebody did
I try it
And incorporate it if it works and I like it
willow scarab
Surely spam running the dungeons and studying the MDT counts as research if you’re making your own efficient 22 routes
You can’t just click mdt as a new player and have a viable route for a high key
random urchin
Raider.io has the weekly routes which is a good starting point to figure out what works for you and what doesn’t
sick sentinel
I just like finding shit out by myself
sick sentinel
^^
willow scarab
Dratnos routes are lit once you’re good at keys
random urchin
When you’re just starting they’re ok
That’s why I suggested. If you’re really pushing keys I wouldn’t use them
sick sentinel
I dislike dratnos' routes
Like they are good
If you have his comp
But if you have a different comp
It's not as good
exotic spoke
It’s a starting point. But any route is a starting point
sick sentinel
It's a good place to get an idea
random urchin
Yeah, that’s why I suggested.
exotic spoke
Yup. But don’t be afraid to question them and change them
oblique garnet
^ This
random urchin
Yup. Especially since Emissary spawns are a bit of a gamble week to week now.
oblique garnet
They are set
warm plinth
They’re fixed
random urchin
I meant more that sometimes the groupings w/ packs are harder than on other weeks. Sorry if I worded that wrong.
mystic whale
is there anything cool we can cheese or bypass in the raid by using nullification dynamo as a major ?
red wedge
My group timed our first 18 of the season last night. Shit got iffy here and there. Our Feral Druid wasn't doing that great dps. :P
red wedge
I just tell my group to play whatever they want to play, and we'll try to work with it
sick sentinel
Fair enough
red wedge
Last night, it was a feral druid, ele sham, bm hunter, rdruid, and my war.
strong forum
Feral does decent numbers tbh
willow scarab
All that matters is that the players are happy 😊 you could time an 18 with any comp
sick sentinel
any1 find it bit hard i know its skittish this week but dps using there focusing iris breaking my agro anoyin lol
but i manage
exotic spoke
@sick sentinel if your group is full of mongoloids who don’t understand threat then yes you’ll have issues if they use it on pull
sick sentinel
If it's a hunter tell him to md and then beam
exotic spoke
Same with rogue and tricks
sick sentinel
Or a rogue should tricks and beam
exotic spoke
If not they should wait a little bit and use it - not on pull
sick sentinel
yeah 😃 was a mage
random urchin
Had this issue last night. Rogue and monk kept going ham with cleave and iris before I could even clap. Our hunter maybe MD me 3 times during the entire run. That’s the risk with pugs I guess.
Rogue was a little better with tricks than the hunter but not by much.
analog creek
Avatar+str pot on pull usually holds threat over dps, if few whatever reason I dont have avatar on pull I tell the dps
sand egret
good news is that skittish is over and by the time it comes back you'll hopefully be more relatively geared 😃
random urchin
It was mostly the pulls where I didn’t have avatar up that were difficult. Would have been smooth sailing if they were more consistent with tricks/md or simply waiting 1 or 2 seconds before dumping cds
analog creek
Skittish only really is an issue with odd mob deaths and big boys that you need to step away from
sand egret
well, bolster is handled by "simply" distributing your dps evenly. However, it's the "simply" part that DPS have the hardest time with.
random urchin
All was forgiven though as I got my Underrot mount out of it😁
analog creek
Well in an 8 mob pull, I generally step back as the first thing dies. Could be just long enough to lose threat on one of the later things to die
exotic spoke
@random urchin - your DPS are window lickers
With MD and Tricks for basically every beam you should have zero issues
analog creek
With skittish that generally my biggest concern
exotic spoke
If they didn’t tricks or use MD when they use Beam it’s their own damn fault
random urchin
Yeah “should” being the key word there
exotic spoke
Don’t blame yourself. It’s their fault.
random urchin
Yeah it was frustrating but I got a mount out of it so I can’t be mad
exotic spoke
Threat isn’t just a tank issue - it’s an everyone problem - but primarily dps / tank
random urchin
Yeah, I main an ele sham and have always been mindful of skittish for the tanks im with. Now that I’m seeing it from a tanks perspective I see why they’re harder for find in pugs on skittish weeks lol.
exotic spoke
The other option is Anima. I tend to use it on fortified weeks anyway
May not be optimal - but it’s fun
analog creek
Using potions on trash pulls helps a ton and really smooths out skittish
random urchin
Yeah, I need to get more essences on my warr still.
Really only started using him this past week for current content. So it’s just a race to get caught up right now.
analog creek
Underrot mount is the only dungeon mount I dont have now, got my tombstalker this past weekend
random urchin
I’ve seen the KR one drop about 5 times and FH once. Out of all of them I’m glad I got the UR one as it’s my favorite anyways.
sand egret
going to second Anima. Essentially functions as an AoE taunt button on Skittish, which is nice
random urchin
I’ll have to keep that in mind for the next time skittish comes around.
Currently have 3x BoM so I was just going the easy route of VoP for avatar
sick sentinel
Rally into last stand into anima lmao
sand egret
go big or go home
sick sentinel
The sims use last stand before anima
random urchin
Yeah. I bet last stand pumps anima up a ton
sick sentinel
I checked
sand egret
Anima is prob one of the most "oomph" buttons for tanks to hit in BFA
random urchin
Basically a mega clap by the sounds of it
random urchin
Juicy
sand egret
no VDH style bombs, but prob pretty close
sand egret
prob not hard for a war to push 800k hp with LS + RC
so that's pretty close to 940k hp
sand egret
cool, but your log is not that
frosty vigil
Is there a reason I can't reflect the blood bolt cast from elder leaxa? It seems that I can only reflect the add cast?
brittle owl
it is a relevant point in the sense that anima does not respect the traditional 20 target cap @sand egret
that's the main distinction
frosty vigil
Maybe I'm mistiming, but I hit reflect as she is casting and it never seems to reflect, only the add cast seems to
warm plinth
You should be able to reflect both. However you'll reflect the one that hits you first, even if it's by a fraction of a second. So if the add bolt hits you before the boss one, you'll reflect that instead.
Also, are you looking at logs to realize this or just basing it on not seeing an animation flying back at the boss?
warm plinth
I was under the impression that Details doesn't show reflected damage? Never noticed it on combat text either but I just use the default shit there
sand egret
@brittle owl but no one was talkin about the cap lol. it was the damage of anima...which comes down to HP pools. Positing a log that shows the Anima damage that indicates a variance of only 140k hp off my suggested top-end is not what i’d define as “not remotely” close.
stoic pilot
im so happy. getting so much luck from residuum vendor this season
i didn't roll the same chestpiece 6x in a row
like last season
warm plinth
Woo!
stoic pilot
so far i've rolled helm of putrid path and desert guardians breastplate
brittle owl
still relevant, since most aoe abilities stop scaling well past 20 targets, and anima doesn't, it scales linearly regardless of targets
ruby rampart
is there any kind of soft cap for haste on prot?
or is there a stat distribution i should be aiming for?
warm plinth
No, on both counts
sand egret
no one is talkin about a cap, maelk. you just brought it up lol
merry cave
450 spore with a socket sims lower than my 430 trinkets -_- feels bad
brittle owl
it leads to the 'mega tc' analogy
warm plinth
sand egret
yeah lol
warm plinth
How often are you even pulling 20 targets, even if you're doing big boy pulls?
sick sentinel
what are the current ideal prot azerite talents?
warm plinth
BoM x3, DC x1, something something
merry cave
aoe or st?
brittle owl
sots&temple have such pulls
warm plinth
I mean, do they though
brittle owl
but they're not relevant
sick sentinel
for Mythic+
warm plinth
Because droplets and conscripts don't really count lol
brittle owl
like real world application, there is none
warm plinth
Yeah
brittle owl
only memes
warm plinth
If you have anima major and pull that room, and you DON'T cast Anima, are you even playing the game
sick sentinel
If I already have one DC should i take one Callous Reprisal?
warm plinth
Not if you have...just about any other option
Callous is on the bottom end of options for us
merry cave
get a barrage helm
sick sentinel
What site are you using for that info?
warm plinth
icy-veins, sims, common sense
sick sentinel
wowhead and icyveins says CR is good
merry cave
bloodmallet is reasonable i guess
warm plinth
Icy-veins says CR is good because it's based on survival only. And wowhead is a blah guide (though it does have some overlap with IV's guide)
brittle owl
since, realistically, you very rarely turtle up
you only do that ib
- bleeding edge progress
sick sentinel
Okay so what about CR vs Brace for impact
merry cave
CR is terrible from a dps standpoint
warm plinth
Brace, all day
brittle owl
- you dunno the game
one of those 2 scenarios is where you turtle up
to cover your mistakes
otherwise you go ham, since the value of survivability is literally limited to wether you die or not, whereas dps is always valuable
sick sentinel
But stacking DC is not worth it anymore correct?
brittle owl
not anymore no
sick sentinel
as opposed to grabbing ironfortress in favor
brittle owl
or any other dps increasing trait
like heed or op
wait those are diff ring traits i think
warm plinth
DC wouldn't be compared to Heed or OP though :p They're on a different ring
warm plinth
If all you care about is damage, I'd still take DC over IF
IF's damage is meh
But it's one of only 3 sources of block rating, so it's very strong
sand egret
ive actually wondered about that. I feel like there is a point where if you can take X more hits without healing, then there may be a greater proportional dps gain via the healer dpsing instead of healing 🤔
brittle owl
m+ and raid are disproportionately different scenarios this patch though
a dps centric tank literally does double or triple the damage of a turtle tank in raid
warm plinth
I think the normal caveat there is that it would likely take too much of a sacrifice from you for the healer to gain that. And it would be pretty hard to quantify regardless since you don't know for sure that not healing you = healer DPSing
sand egret
well rdruids style of healing throws it out of wack
brittle owl
why do 14k dps when you can do 30k and take 10% more damage
warm plinth
I think there's a better argument to be made in dungeons for sure because with how short fights are, you could probably do less damage and have it be less noticeable since most of your damage outside of bosses is burst anyway
warm plinth
But it depends on how turtley you go I guess haha
sand egret
so it's binary in a lot of ways since you can get topped so fast
brittle owl
the thing about dungeons though
there's so many moving parts
you can't decide on a binary logic
warm plinth
Well, I think if you're in a premade group that you run with often, you can quantify the gain to the healer a bit better
Still not perfectly of course, but better
sand egret
i know it's meme-y to bring it up, but it's the same logic behind why one would conceptually gear for leech
sand egret
sure, but conceptually its there. If damage to hp ratios were different, that cost changes a bunch (as what happens towards the end of expacs)
warm plinth
I think there's a bit of a difference there too, as it's possible to gear for leech without any sacrifice, with some good RNG
brittle owl
more so than in legion
sand egret
i'd imagine if we did 10x our damage (with mobs having correspondingly more hp) but the same hp pools, Leech wouldn't nearly be as scoffed at imho
visual plume
What DPS essences should I be running for AoE in dungeons btw? Is it just Anima or wut
warm plinth
Like I don't know anyone who would be mad about having 10% leech if it was also their highest ilevel lol. I think everyone in here would have some fun with that.
sand egret
of for sure
brittle owl
VoP is what most people run
visual plume
Oh right, I totally forgot that essence existed
analog creek
Ummm.... top dmg traits vs top defensive traits are not going to be massive swing in dps, you're looking at most a 5% difference.
warm plinth
o_o;
brittle owl
wut
warm plinth
Wut
brittle owl
CoF is literally a 3 k dps increase
sand egret
well 5% is "massive" in the right context
brittle owl
on ST
warm plinth
Well he's talking about traits, not essences
brittle owl
oh ye mb
visual plume
So VoP Major what minor for dps? just Conflict or wut
analog creek
Traits is what the talk started on. And I mean 5% for 6 traits, less than 1 % per trait and that's if you skip all of the dmg doing traits
sick sentinel
So I just got back to wow and currently have terrible@Azerite 420 pieces. Is it worth buying some of the random 430 residuum pieces
warm plinth
If you're not raiding, I'd buy 430s before I bought 445s, especially if your traits suck
sick sentinel
Yea only doing mythic plus
warm plinth
I would definitely suggest 430s first then. They'll come way faster than 445s and it'll be a nice gain in the short term
exotic spoke
I mean RF adds a lot of dps. I’d argue more than just 1% - but I’d have to math it out.
That said - when you need the dps you fight for those gains, no matter how small, because they all add up
sick sentinel
Still want to keep about 3-4 bastion traits?
warm plinth
You can probably buy 2 430s and then farm pearls while waiting for your first 445 and buy a 430 with benthic
sick sentinel
3*
warm plinth
Yeah
exotic spoke
(Insert al Pacino speech from Any Given Sunday - fighting for inches)
sick sentinel
Ok cool I appreciate it
analog creek
I'm only countering the clown that said why do 14k when you can do 30k, that is a ridiculous statement in the context.
exotic spoke
It honestly isn’t though.
You can do 14k and be super tanky or you can do - what’s your current parse @willow scarab - 34k?
Sorry Sim*
analog creek
14k is auto attacking a boss with devastator, that is only barely a lie
exotic spoke
I mean - then you’re not going full defensive
wispy plume
5% damage is huge lol
exotic spoke
Being able to differentiate when you should go full defensive and when you should go more offensive, as well as how offensive, is a very important skill
analog creek
If your character is capable of doing 34k sim, show me a sim of that same character doing 14k
wispy plume
As long as you can smooth damage out then doing more dps is generally always going to be better. Raid healing can be looked at as infinite as long as it’s smooth
Hence the entire class of brewmaster
exotic spoke
Even if it’s swimming 20k dps when full defensive build / traits / essences instead of 14k the point stands
Hell - even if it’s 24k
wispy plume
Needs constant healing but it’s easy because its smooth
flint tiger
out of curiosity, which trinket would you guys say is better. the abyssal alchemist stone, or Ritual Feather of Uung Ak (both 410 ilvl and both have a socket)
Ritual feather trinket has base 394 str and on use mastery of 578 for 16 seconds on 1 min cd, compared against alch trink
analog creek
You are making a point that I'm not arguing against
warm plinth
I'd just upgrade the alc stone tbh lol
exotic spoke
In a lot of cases, we don’t need the added defensives once we reach that point. Hence why you see warriors swapping to more dps oriented builds
exotic spoke
It sounded like you’re arguing against going more offensive
If you’re not then I apologize
flint tiger
k, before i can do that i need the restored abyssal focus. forgot about that quest chain lol
analog creek
Even changing your full kit wont do that
brittle owl
there is a profanity meme somewhere in this discussion
analog creek
You lose damage, but not anywhere near half
exotic spoke
Archaous - changing your full kit - talents / essences / traits can and will make a staggering difference
warm plinth
Can we officially name this week #FuckDiscPriestsWeek?
brittle owl
depends on race
but generally i agree
also @exotic spoke depends on the content you're doing
analog creek
And most of that damage loss is from changing essences, not from swapping traits as was originally suggested
exotic spoke
I gained 5k dps by swapping to 2 Rf / devastator / using two dps trinkets and some other minor stuff
willow scarab
current sim 37k @exotic spoke
brittle owl
if you're doing trivial content then success isnt dictated by anything you mentioned
willow scarab
430 wep and bad trinkets
warm plinth
Blizzard: Alright, necrotic guys. Can't heal your tank while they're tanking.
Disc Priests: Well, at least I can get them caught up after combat if they're low.
Blizzard: Almost forgot, they're also going to take a huge amount of damage when the mobs die
Disc Priests:
Blizzard:
exotic spoke
You get a lot from RF is what I’m saying
@brittle owl I mean - yeah it depends on what content. I’m talking mythic raids / m+
@willow scarab how much if you go full defensive? Just curious
willow scarab
idk maybe like 25 i ahven't simmed it
next time i'm flying between a WQ i'll sim
very busy atm because reset day
analog creek
30k to 14k isn't realistic, that is the only point I was making btw
warm plinth
Get 65 neck Fum?
brittle owl
it kinda is with benthic
willow scarab
yeah got 65 neck
brittle owl
granted not 16k dps diff
warm plinth
Hell yeah, congrats!
brittle owl
but it should be like 4-5k
analog creek
That's a 33% loss, long way from 50
exotic spoke
That may be worth still
willow scarab
33k defensive sim seems weird
wait i did itw rong i guess, that's not the items i picked
analog creek
Losing dmg% not the same as gained dmg %
willow scarab
just paying atetntion to WQ
sick sentinel
ahhhhh shit
exotic spoke
It’s how percents work. I’m looking at it from a gain and you’re looking st it from a loss