And their healers DPS a fuck ton compared to non mdi heals
#protection
hallow phoenix
mystic pilot
what does the healer dps change? means they can take more tanky traits?
dark lark
It means that stuff dies faster than your pugs
hallow phoenix
The self healing wars run those builds so that they can survive the huge pulls without needing heals pumped into them all the time
Letting their rdruids swipe to their hearts content, which clears the dungeon faster than a bit more damage on the tank
dark lark
It's pretty brilliant when you think about it. Stack haste crit from gear, get your mastery from BoM and vers from those minors, self sustain from traits and trinkets
hallow phoenix
Then you get into a pug where all the DPS still somehow do less damage than you
mystic pilot
god i wish i had the dps players like in those dungeons, i'll be lucky if my dps pull 30k AOE in a 12key
hallow phoenix
And the healer refuses to do any damage
mystic pilot
I've had so many occasions where i run out of shield blocks and have to kite when shit should have died ages ago
hallow phoenix
Lucid never seems to do much when I check the rage refunded over the entire dungeon
mystic pilot
as a quick aside, i'm playing with a weak healer right now, both ilvl and performance
dark lark
And just use what gear is actually available to you
mystic pilot
thinking about switching out for vers
(aegis)
because he struggles so much when on high dmg packs
hallow phoenix
I like conflict and strife more for weeks like this where its a bit smaller packs
mystic pilot
what level C&S you got?
mystic pilot
as minor?
hallow phoenix
I just like the constant haste
sick sentinel
Major is not ALWAYS vision. Sphere blows
A lot of us have found vision of perfection to be less great as a major
Lots of guys using it as minor
mystic pilot
Ah ok, then which major would you go for instead?
wispy plume
In ST sure but vision aoe is still giga
mystic pilot
Aegis would be nice for SB downtime
dark lark
Ok, what would you prefer for major in m+ and why?
wispy plume
You don’t need any defensive essences honestly. Even in 18+ keys. 2sb + demo then LS then SB+wall then SB+external
Almost every pack in the game is dead by that point
mystic pilot
tell that to my 25k dps in the 12 i just did
wispy plume
I still run VoP in aoe
dark lark
25k is fine for 12s
wispy plume
In raid CoF is amazing
dark lark
Their DPS might also be affected by the pulls, which will be smaller because of bolstering
wispy plume
You can still pull big on bolstering. You just have to pull the right things. Don’t pull high hp elites with low hp elites or non elites. Make sure things stay stacked for good aoe. And mark anything that starts to get higher ho than others. Really the key to high m+ is communication and your group being on the same page
dark lark
I do pull big but it depends on the dungeon
But I'm not pulling 9 off duty workers with 3 mechs in ML :P
hallow phoenix
Which other major are you using in m+ @sick sentinel
Curious what others are doing
wispy plume
Eh I mean in the 16 or 17 ML we did we bolstered the first big mech and just pulled it into the thug double assasin pack
Still just about communication
I think it was like 4 bolster and we just killed it with that pack. Worked out nicely
warm plinth
You can do shit like CC mech jockeys and vendors and thugs and pull off-duty laborers all at once. If you have the CC ofc
hallow phoenix
Mind control also works if you're lacking cc
dark lark
Just bring 3 rogues 4Head
orchid hare
New tank here, how do I prioritize Shield Block or Ignore Pain
fickle urchin
block is active mitigation,ignore pain is a defensive rage-dump or anti-magic tool.
fickle urchin
if all you are taking is phys dmg, shild block will be your choice, if you are rage-limited. IP is a rage dump or panic thing.
undone sun
they aren't really mutually exclusive either, you can and often will be using both
SB just has higher priority than IP, unless it;s entirely magic damage intake
fickle urchin
i mean, theoretically you could imagine a situation where you intentionally use IP over block, due to having only 1 thing attacking you, or healer using a different cooldown- the idea being to save SB charges for later.
spice ferry
that situation is rare at best. SB regens pretty fast
steep wraith
In general m+ would you be using rage on revenge over IP when you have shield block up?
fickle urchin
rule of thumb is never use revenge unless its free,
spice ferry
depends on the situation. If its low damage or largely physical damage, you can pump some damage with revenge. If there is a good chunk of magic you'll want to be using IP.
You do however also get free revenges, so often you can press revenge AND still use IP.
but yeah, no revenge unless free is a safe bet
till you learn when you can sacrifice IP for more dps
fickle urchin
floating some rage isnt the end of the world as prot anyway. I mean, just pop some IP if revenge isnt free, and you are overcapping.
spice ferry
honestly its just more imporant that you do not cap out on rage
since then AM isn't working
than worrying about using rage for revenge/IP in a single instance
fickle urchin
i didnt think of that
undone sun
overcapping rage is one of the last things you want to do
steep wraith
I'll stick with free revenges only for now until I know when I can safely push more damage.
spice ferry
free revenges + IP to dump will allow you to get familiar with the spec
undone sun
👏
unkempt delta
Is there a good way to keep purple puddles clean in Azshara first phase
oblique garnet
Theres a weakaura that tells you when they are about to drop and you can move to old puddles
unkempt delta
oh okay cool I will look out
frigid heart
They drop the puddles at 100 energy
unkempt delta
thanks guys
willow scarab
Also if you only stand slightly out of each one it'll take up less room
drops them like a venn diagram
oblique garnet
@willow scarab your monk geared yet?
willow scarab
is 415 with 48 neck geared?
oblique garnet
No
novel temple
how exactly do you tank zaquul
sullen root
intercept your monk when his stagger gets high, ip often, use sb for dmg and try and pump dps
willow fractal
anyone know where i can find info on the boss in the heroic warfront this week?
she does these golden glowey circles on the ground are they ment to be soaks or not soak and when she leaps do i follow or wait for her to come back etc
sick sentinel
R1 Lucid or R3 Anima for minor slot m+?
warm plinth
Anima minor is shit
sick sentinel
yeah i've heard
warm plinth
So definitely Lucid, since Lucid minor is good
sick sentinel
force mult or quick nav?
old night
anyone able to help me with my azerite?
@warm plinth you helped me last time and I really appreciated it
any chance you could give me a hand picking loadout? reforging isn't an issue if I need to
junior ivy
hi
old night
dual unstable?
warm plinth
Yes, dual unstable
hearty hemlock
And iron fortress could be replaced for reckless fury, depending on if you want raw damage or more dodge
warm plinth
Is this for raiding or M+?
old night
raid
hearty hemlock
Then keep fortress
hearty hemlock
Crash, bom, unstable and resounding. Bom, boi, unstable and gem. Iron/reckless, bom, OP and resounding
Are what I’d pick personally
old night
kk TY TY guys
hearty hemlock
But if you’re running boi and iron, should be fine
warm plinth
Looks good @old night
crisp spruce
Mmm, imagine being able to scrounge together 3 BoM traits. ><
sick sentinel
430 jes + 410 sporepods or 430 jes + 430 vial of animated blood?
warm plinth
Definitely the latter
warm plinth
There's a reason sporepods emoji is 
limpid pawn
crisp spruce
Depends what you want from your trinkets. It's not very good DPS, but it is an on-use versatility buff, which is never a bad thing.
warm plinth
It's fine. Not our best but it's not a bad trinket
It basically suffers from its cooldown
spice ferry
It’s average. There are plenty better at either offensive or defensive
sick sentinel
modular platinum plating is so garbage
my god
275 armor lmfao
might as well be 10 haste
crisp spruce
I believe the tooltip is wrong, and it's 1100 armor at full stacks.
grand drum
Should I go for a 120 str and 80 str gem or just a 120 str and +50 secondary gem?
warm plinth
120+80, though 120 + secondary might be better for DPS
crisp spruce
Which is like a bit over 3% DR, so it's not NOTHING, but I'd like it a ton more if the uptime was better and the trigger for losing a stack was higher, and maybe it gave some stats as long as you maintained full stacks.
warm plinth
Yeah I mean, it's definitely a lackluster trinket and not something I'd use if I had any alternatives.
sterile mantle
Got this from timewalking.....useless?
distant crystal
it's aight
spice ferry
Not bad, but only 415 so meh
sterile mantle
let me link so yuo can see my vurenty
crisp spruce
Channeled trinkets are awkward, but the effect is nice. Can't go wrong with a socket. It's not the best trinket for it's ilvl, but it won't be terrible. I wouldn't use it over very many 430+ trinkets though.
sterile mantle
willow scarab
It sims poorly and you’re not going to have the time to channel it in fights
sterile mantle
well damn, worthless timewalking trinket lol
so i cant channel hile active tanking?
crisp spruce
I mean, you can, but you have to stand there for 4 seconds (to get the maximum benefit) without casting anything else. That's probably doable on some boss fights, but will be pretty frustrating in dungeons. You can do tricks like popping it during the pull timer, or right before a tank switch, you just have to work at it a bit.
Not sure offhand if the channel would interfere with block/mitigation? But really, the payoff is just not amazing.
lone umbra
does the red punchcard Subroutine: Overclock drop from anywhere besides that first quest? wondering if there's any place it can wf/tf from
or should I just use cyclo when I get to revered and not even worry about it?
grand drum
the garden boss in the dungeon
lone umbra
awesome ty
sterile current
reflect able spell list link doesn't work anymore?
next goblet
that moment when you fail a key because your cat jumped on your pc and stepped on the power button
warm plinth
You can disable the power button FYI, or make it so you have to hold it down for several seconds, or not own a cat.
next goblet
eh
sharp dragon
Guide says we only want one deafening crash but MDI tanks stack 3. Is that info still true?
next goblet
just gotta run 2 keys now lol
ionic fern
@sharp dragon MDI = keys that are not relevant to them and speed which means more damage.
On current live servers you only want 1 DC .
warm plinth
Yes, that info is still true. 3 DC is good if you only care about DPS, but there are better options even for that. It might be the best combination they can make on the TR
sharp dragon
Whats the best stackable trait? im a new prot warr
warm plinth
Bastion of Might
ionic fern
3DC is not even "good" anymore tbh. 😂
It's like a really-really-really tiny dps increase. But MDI = Min/max so.
For m+ you generally want 3xBoM/1xDC/1xIF atleast.
sick sentinel
Mdi=min/max but keep in mind the people in the mdi have no clue how to gear a warrior
As we saw in the other mdi where they tun siphining and bloodsport
If they wanted to min/max or use correct azerite they would have went with
Abyssal/kraken shell/ashenvane
queen oyster
Is the icyveins guide for prot accurate? Or is there a better one?
warm plinth
Icy-veins is the prot guide, but keep in mind it is written for pure survivability
sick sentinel
Icy veins is a good way to start
sick sentinel
Most of your future questions are answered there
queen oyster
Cool. Came over from blood dk. Damn prot is so much more fast paced
sick sentinel
Highest apm spec in the game at the moment
queen oyster
Yeh. Keeps me interested
dense flame
Prot imo is very rewarding and always fun to be smashing. Haven’t fooled with other tanks with exception of Veng DH. But this expansion made me dislike it a bit.
lone umbra
I've mained prot warr cata through legion, when they put IP on the GCD in 8.0.1 I just couldn't do it anymore and swapped to DK, last season I missed the FOTM clapper bonanza but I'm really enjoying it again
sick sentinel
How's coral in hig hkeys
I see all top players using it now for the most part on melee
sick sentinel
Again, it's sketchy and weird to use
I tried to use coral when I got it
You basically use it on one pack and then you let it extract itself from the mog dying
And you use the buff to kill the next pack
And since you extracted without using the trinket it doesn't go on cd
So you can start stacking immidiatelly
sullen flame
Can the GCD go below 1s for us? Similar question kinda, is there a hard cap on haste or should I just keep stacking it as much as I can?
sullen flame
Interesting, thanks. Guy in my guild was under the impression that everyone but rogues capped at 1s and they capped at .75s
undone sun
🤔
sullen flame
I tried to google it but couldn't find a current answer
sick sentinel
@sullen flame energy specs have a solid 1s gcd and all other spec change from 1,5s (0% haste) to 0,75s (100+% haste)
sullen flame
Thanks, that's what I thought but he was 100% certain I had too much haste, I'm only at 25.77%. I just couldn't find something to link him to that said he was wrong. He thought it was rogues were 1s > .75s with haste and everyone else was 1.5s > 1s with haste.
sick sentinel
Rogues don't even get a reduced gcd
sick sentinel
If you could we would have a haste softcap
brittle owl
and even then, for a tank without baseline 100% am uptime
haste will ALWAYS be bis defensively
even if you reached a theoretical softcap
so your friend is kinda bad at the game @sullen flame
sick sentinel
Having high haste is so insane on groot
brittle owl
high haste is insane either way
sick sentinel
Uhm what's his face
brittle owl
soul groot
sick sentinel
Like, if you run out of am you need to reset
brittle owl
plays james brown
sick sentinel
And like you see the fuckers health
"Do I use wall to get back sb/last stand or do I use wall to reset stacks"
brittle owl
groot is one of the few patchwerk style bosses that is designed in such a way to make it fun for tanks
brittle owl
it's like a testicle measuring limbo
'how high can you go'
eh, at high levels you need group play as well
sick sentinel
So many times he's at 1% and I get crushed to the ground
brittle owl
high group dps and communication with your healer
sick sentinel
Like 100-0
brittle owl
just ping pong him lel
sick sentinel
Yeap
Taunt and run away and they kill him
But ya, is when you need the bark or whatever
brittle owl
using externals properly is big
sick sentinel
Or when we're resetting our dh drops a darkness on the healer
brittle owl
'can you survive and chain your defensives properly? can you communicate with your healer? can you adapt? can you also optimize your dps?'
sick sentinel
Because I don't really need them most of the time
brittle owl
as a warrior you rarely need them in m+ outside of high keys yes
sick sentinel
I just told my healer to cast it whenever
brittle owl
and a few choice mongo pulls with magic dmg
brittle owl
but casting it whenever is bad
it's your external, you should decide when yo use it
if you dont need it, adjust so you can find a use for it
sick sentinel
I used to track it
So I was calling for it all the time
But I have to re-fix all my add-ons and shit
To start tracking it again
brittle owl
for instance
i just got into a new guild
and the other tanks are, questionable, to say the least
as far as raid tabking
healers are throwing externals whenever
and it's tilting me
fucks up with my planning
sick sentinel
Oh we call for externals on raids
sick sentinel
We individually call it
brittle owl
manage to train my previous guilds healers
sick sentinel
And on prog
brittle owl
now gotta do these healers as well
but they're good healers at least
so theres that
sick sentinel
We use the same extrernal every time
rapid tide
I just track externals available and call for them as needed. That works with premades.
sick sentinel
Like when our tanks tankswap on orgo
brittle owl
i track uptime and cd as well
rapid tide
Ye, uptime anyways
sick sentinel
Every rankswap they call the externals in the same order
I had a weak aura called "externals on me"
Super good
rapid tide
I use exactly that one 😄
Has missdirects and everything, too.
Really helpful.
And then just 2 instances of ZenTracker Frontend one for interrupts one for Externals.
So I have them visually seperated.
brittle owl
nah i just call it by name and 'on me'
rapid tide
That works nicely for me.
brittle owl
if theres double healers i call out their name as well
sick sentinel
Yeah mael
rapid tide
Nah nah, the Weakaura just shows active externals on you.
It's basically an "all in one" solution for all externals you can think of.
Just shows you have them active.
brittle owl
i just do it with ert
sick sentinel
"Bark me lurri"
"Bark me jme"
"succ sac me dander"
rapid tide
ERT works, ye. Not a big fan.
brittle owl
and tmw cuz i am apparently an old man 👀
rapid tide
I am just way too much into ZT to consider alternatives 😛
rapid trench
I just call name what else is the healer gonna give me
mint imp
I like to shout to whole raid: give me some externals and watch which healer is the fastest
sick sentinel
That's a really bad way to go about it
I did that on fetid devourer once and I got a bark, a pain supp and a sacc
mint imp
yeah, thats just funny game i play with my healers :p
ionic fern
Quality game until they use all the externals on you at the same time and the next time you need some you got 0.
😄
sick sentinel
Ya don't do it more than once
mint imp
then we have a monthly evaluation and the fastest healer gets the prize
crimson furnace
good morning my fellow protters, how is everyone doing on this fine Monday morning??
ionic fern
Horrible.
brittle owl
mondays suck
🤷
mondays and wednesdays are the worst
they should be removed from the week
crimson furnace
i had a shitty night as well, we tried to kill Lady in Mythic and failed 😦
im just getting agravated now with that boss
i just cant even...
ionic fern
We took wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy too long there as well, don't worry.
I wanna say atleast 100+ wipes-.
marble cipher
We're at 102 so far, don't know what's really causing the delay, but hey, we'll get it eventually
ionic fern
Are you trying to 2 phase it?
marble cipher
We weren't when I was there last raids. Last night they tried (I'm off for holiday). And got two 5% pulls it seems
ionic fern
marble cipher
It'll probably die on tuesday raid, and then I'll get boosted through it when I get back from holidays 😁
crimson furnace
we tried 4 tanks 4 heals last night and best try was 16%
it was a new way for us to do the boss
the majority if tries we had were with the "standard" tactic
marble cipher
Isn't that the tactic that almost makes sure you'll do three shields before breaking it? Making the fight a lot longer?
mint imp
I dont see the point of 4 tanks
marble cipher
Me neither, but, raid leaders are a strange breed of people from time to time 😜
ionic fern
Maybe they lack the DPS to 2 phase it.
marble cipher
If you lack 2phase,just do 3phase?
ionic fern
🤷
mint imp
Still dont see the point of 4 tanks, even if you are lack of dps.
ionic fern
Well, 4 tanks,4 heals just screams "Slow and steady wins the race".
Which i guess..if it works for them then why not.
mint imp
🤷
strong forum
We're at 86 pulls, best pull 3.6%. Around 55 pulls with 2 shields strat
If we hadn't had scuffed roster yesterday that coulda been a kill.
ionic fern
With 2 shield strat we also had roughly the same amount of pulls.
Made it so much easier and less boring. 😂
strong forum
I like boring fights
Atleast in raid
So I can just chill and listen to music and pad dps
ionic fern
Eeeh, i diddn't like that one. Dragged out for too long.
Now we got a kill on 4:58 instead of like 7+ minutes which was nice.
strong forum
Ye ashvane is not a fun fight
strong forum
I don't think there's anyone that likes the fight
strong forum
Well I am tanking for 80% of the time, but the coral spawns and taunt swaps on the correct bashes and shit is giga gay
spice ferry
how many stacks you been swapping at?
ionic fern
mint imp
hey do you guys know about some addon or wa helping with crushing grasp on za'qul? People are getting hit by that tentacle all the time..
i am thinking about something displaying the safe spots
mint imp
I dont know.. there is big window between DBM countdown and actual hit.. and look all that time aroung the platform... for me its better to just look at addon if i am in safe spot and roll out the dps
rapid tide
The T25 WeakAuras should have a more precise timer.
I fully agree with using one's eyes though. And you can't automatically mark safespots anymore, that functionality has been removed from the Combat API end of WoD.
ionic fern
Thank god - no point babysitting people if they can't focus on doing 2 things at once..e.g DPS'ing and watching mechanics..especially when they are telegraphed.
mint imp
fair enough, also when do you pop BL on za'qul? Together with first delirium eyes?
brittle owl
no point on eyes
you pop BL on the 30% dmg increase pools
which one you do depends on your raids dps
second one is the least awkward imo
mint imp
point in BL on that fight is to race through phase 3 or?
or just because that dmg increase?
brittle owl
depends on your raid dps 🤷
on hc you could push him into p4 with the first pool
so BL there might be worth
sharp dragon
how bad is WM weap for prot?
sharp dragon
damn just got one with socket nice
sick sentinel
Second best ST weapon
tidal blaze
Would you recommend the WM weapon above the weapon for Orgozoa for M+ or the weapon from Za'qul for ST?
winged grail
What would be best ST weapon?
mint imp
Dreams end from Za'qul?
cobalt trellis
for lady ashvane, is it "normal" to swap at 2 stacks? we are doing 3 tank with pala soaking, while brM and blood tank the boss.. and they have been switching a bit between 1 and 2 stacks... i wasnt aware that the dmg with one stack already still isnt leathel
exotic spoke
Damage isn’t very high at first. It’s extra damage though
cobalt trellis
to be fair, tank dmg wasnt an issue, its rather missing dps and people collecting upsurge like bonus coins
tidal blaze
@mint imp that's the 1 i am using now for ST yes
mint imp
that one is best for ST i assume, but ilvl first ofc
ionic fern
We are swaping on 2 stacks..e.g i take 2..my co-tank takes one..i take 2 again. But we were 2 tanking
Also, i'd still use Dreams End over Servant.
Plus it actually provides some defensive value through stats.
delicate swan
^ not even 30k dps smh
strong forum
We're always swapping after 1, sometimes after 2 on ashvane, that way I always get briny bubble and cotank always gets the lazers
And during 2nd shield I take like 4
Cuz of soaking overlaps
spice ferry
Mind swinging me a log @strong forum ?
ionic fern
441 😫
strong forum
😏
ionic fern
And here i am on 433. 😂
strong forum
I got liek 300 pearls total, cuz I never farmed anything
strong forum
Gonna buy 1st chest on Wednesday. Can't wait to roll dogshit
ionic fern
😂
strong forum
My 385 wrists are side grade to my 440 crit haste
But fuck that
Don't even have socket
I don't buy into memes
ionic fern
I mean..i haven't bothered with farming them..i just randomly got all the right ones from WQ's when i was farming rep.
strong forum
Had over 27k dps on our 2nd best pull
ionic fern
👌
strong forum
And I'm gonna get null r3 before next raid
So that's another 1.2k dps coming my way
strong forum
So 1hr
ionic fern
I've gotten like 1 box per day by doing WQ's. 😂
strong forum
There's spare part grind groups
In the middle thingy
Where you turn in the repeatable quest
ionic fern
Oh, really? I should look into it. 🤔
strong forum
Get a group of 5 and spam kill everything
mint imp
yeah, that repeatable quest is good for one completition you get like 100 spare parts?
to complete once it take 5 mins?
modest wedge
can do with raid groups also but i've had problems that there more hordes then. stealing your spare parts tho i am wm off
wm on and kill them bastards
ionic fern
5 min for 100 parts that's like...~5 crates per hour tho. Something doesn't add up.
Do the mobs drop more parts than other ones ontop of that?
strong forum
Yo get way more
modest wedge
you kill a lot of shit get spare parts and get 3 ingredients u can combine to turn in blue quests
mint imp
dunno i got 100 two times yesterday so thought its fixed on 100
ionic fern
Well, guess that's what i'm doing tonight then after a weekly key.
strong forum
It's rng how much you get out of the completion box
Sometimes it's 200,sometimes an epic one with 500+
But you get it so fast
ionic fern
Eh, i was already settled that i'll get it in like a month so anything sooner than that is fine with me.
😂
strong forum
It's so fast
That's why I didn't bother doing anything but chests and the 1 WQ that gives oscillator
mint imp
yeah, anyway its super fast
strong forum
Ye
barren torrent
exotic spoke
That is amazing
mint imp
you better read this twice 👌
sick sentinel
did they fix the skip in SotS?
oblique garnet
What skip
honest frigate
You can still do the skip
sick sentinel
shroud rogue distract you hug right
honest frigate
As a warrior you can heroic leap down without shroud btw
buoyant tide
I'm thinking about dropping herbalism and picking up engineering for the helm. I only really farm herbs off the AH anyways. If I do I can roll a chest piece tomorrow. Worth it? 435 -> 450 helm, 420 -> 445 chest, if I made the swap to engi
wispy plume
Yeah that’s probably worth it. If you are ok leveling engineering and shit
But consider that you may want to drop engineering once you get a 445 helm with BoM as long as you keep 1DC
buoyant tide
I think it wouldn't cost that much. I already have a ton of expulsom. Yeah, without a doubt get radiance this week so kinda worries me
hallow phoenix
I like my engi helm
keen glen
Hey guys! I have a quick question. I've been put on tank duty in M Ashvane (i main a SP, but looks like with main tanks on vacation im the only one with a fairly decent alt tank) , and it feels really hard to deal with the incoming damage. Although its on low ilvl and we're mainly using it to have some progress during vacations and so we at least dont fully stop, should i be able to "hold" with 425 ilvl or am i doing something horribly wrong?
Probably some of you have downed it with equal ilvl, that's why im asking
brittle owl
a lot of people are around 430 ilvl with full benthic gear
which turns into ~10k dps
easily
that said
tank damage from ashvane is a joke
survival wise it's np
your only issue would be dps, as the boss tank
keen glen
Well i used the alt to feed benthic on the main, so im not using any. I should be doing more dps, but im trying to focus on surviving
keen glen
Guess im really undergeared if it shouldnt be hitting that much
brittle owl
focus on your SB uptime
brittle owl
a log would be better gauge tbh
oblique garnet
have you tried the 2 phase strat on ashvane ?
oblique garnet
yh then tank damage shouldnt be an issue
keen glen
Also @brittle owl , my SB and IP uptime is around 30%. Which is consistent with the timing im actively tanking, And im blocking roughly 55% of inc melee dmg so, maybe that part is ok
oblique garnet
your block uptime is really low if its only 55%
oblique garnet
@gaunt dawn I remember you asking if we have done the soaking on ashvane as warriors, we did me soaking with the 2 phase strat and i had 6 stacks and it was already way too spicy
strong forum
100% uptime on SB? I have only 50%
oblique garnet
monkaS
gaunt dawn
Dps can soak the first wave then tank does the rest
Sac the tank at break to be loyal 👼
oblique garnet
Whats loyal Kappa
oblique garnet
I dont have a piece with loyal
gaunt dawn
Get one 😡
oblique garnet
^
strong forum
Huh?
gaunt dawn
You drop to 1 stack when your shard drops
strong forum
Have never used it but.. Huh interesting
keen glen
@brittle owl i had aggro for 40% , but i get what you're saying. Fot those 40% i must have 100% uptime on SB
Got it
gaunt dawn
Will be doing write ups of ashvane soak patterns for all tanks soon
Got most written for 3 phase
Warrior section is simple. Just says that you dont
keen glen
But you reckon its doable with my ilvl? and i shoud improve only in placing barnacles and moving around and keeping mitigation up?!
gaunt dawn
I did ashvane at below 430 ilvl on my pala. It's just a case of knowing when to use stuff
I was third tank mind you
Was there to soak and that's it
Warrior is largely toolkit reliant. Having avatar and block up during high dtps periods
keen glen
Yeah im on 424. It feels like she hits a lot and i dont focus enough on doing mechs. Like a said, im a ranged dps, so, a scrub who doesnt know exactly what to do
gaunt dawn
Utilising demo shout with anger management
keen glen
But now that im tanking something besides 10's and HC, im thinking about changing
keen glen
And there looks like there isnt a better place to start then here
a DH
and a pala soaking
keen glen
He starts, i swap on 2 and for brinys
Yeah, but also a dps main XD
So' i think that might also be the issue
gaunt dawn
Tbh you should just reset his stacks of smash and take all briny
keen glen
2 inexperienced guys doing mythic prog
gaunt dawn
Theres no clear answer to it as both classes are strong
Warrior noticeably stronger from toolkit
So you should be able to just swap at whatever and adapt. But its down largely to player ability
You got null rank 3?
gaunt dawn
Pretty big minor for ashvane
gaunt dawn
Idk what youd use for major there. I'd imagine either vision or the raid essence
But I'd ask a warrior main here on that
honest frigate
I used crucible major on my kill but I was playing offensively with a Brew co tank. Take vision for major if you want to play a balance of offense/defense
exotic spoke
Vision if you need the defensives. CoF if you don’t
ionic fern
Vision if you need defensive? It's rng tho. 🤔 There's predictable spike damage in that fight so why not use Undying for defensive value if you need it?
exotic spoke
The predictable nature of undying is nice.
Visions also adds a little more dps while still adding in defensive value from both the major and minor
I didn’t consider the rng, and that’s a good point mwahi
honest frigate
Balance of offense/defense if you have BoM is what I was implying
Undying only worth really at 4+ stacks of bash
keen glen
At this point, dps shouldnt be an issue
honest frigate
Where you’re actually in danger of dying, but it’s often unnecessary because you can just call for externals
keen glen
tho my mates seem to slack for now
we're really early on prog tbh
like 50 pulls or something
exotic spoke
I mean, I’m around the same point as you are sync. Any extra dps is always beneficial.
keen glen
RL called healers to use cyclo
exotic spoke
Mobs don’t do damage if they are dead and we do have very nice burst dps
I can see that
keen glen
and we are already breaking shield before 2nd wave or bubbles
exotic spoke
Without using all of your dps cooldowns yeah?
exotic spoke
What’s her hp% after first burn phase
strong forum
70% is yikes
strong forum
57% is the goal for 2 shield burn
keen glen
yup. but dps goes higher the more pulls
strong forum
67ish for 3 shield burn
exotic spoke
This is 3 phase
strong forum
Tbh
exotic spoke
What Ilvl is your shield?
gaunt dawn
I wouldnt worry about %
Focus on being able to push at decent times and juggle dps cooldowns
keen glen
Im not. just on learning the fight for now
gaunt dawn
We used druid, hunter, DH cooldowns on pull. The rest at first burn
The rest were up to the player thereafter
If anyone uses cyclo it should be on burn phase
exotic spoke
Typically I’m burst phase right?
gaunt dawn
It's pretty high free dps whilst moving yo coral
exotic spoke
Truth
keen glen
makes sense
gaunt dawn
Prot warrior can use avatar on pull and it's back up for burn twice
Once at start and once near end
keen glen
i dont use it anymore on main, but that a really good one
gaunt dawn
Pretty safe to just mash it off cd
keen glen
might change later
strong forum
If you use cyclo on pull its up during 1st burn
strong forum
It's a waste to not use cyclo on CD
gaunt dawn
And during first
gaunt dawn
I'd presume every 50s ish
exotic spoke
50s is too long imo
gaunt dawn
This sort of dps micromanagement is only worth it on early prog tho
exotic spoke
Probably closer to 40-45 seconds
gaunt dawn
So it's kinda superfluous
strong forum
I have Avatar up every 45 sec, 2nd use starts before shield break
gaunt dawn
This is just my thought process
keen glen
XD
strong forum
exotic spoke
So that’s still two avatars with the opening Nome suggested
strong forum
Ye, and I get cyclo blast 2seconds before shield comes up again
2 seconds
Every time
gaunt dawn
Checks out
exotic spoke
One right as it starts and a full second one
strong forum
Sometimes when I use it off CD I get like 3 ticks into new shield
gaunt dawn
If its planned out its fine
strong forum
So I could use it even earlier
gaunt dawn
If it's full ook ook then its questionable
exotic spoke
I mean 5 seconds in. 45 seconds later (50 seconds). 45 seconds later (1:35) ends at 1:55 and shield comes up at 2
strong forum
And should be up again for 2nd and final burn
I use it as 1st hit
Like pre-cof, midair of the projectile flying insta taunt and start casting cyclo
exotic spoke
Front loads Aggro, and makes positioning easier. Makes sense
gaunt dawn
Its worth to note for people who are lurking. Timings are based on your guilds dps so what works for one doesnt work for all
strong forum
And I don't charge
If I do I leap back out for the bash
Basically that
Also @exotic spoke i remember you having a terrible UI, or atleast someone saying so. That's how a god ui looks like :p
oblique garnet
"good"
strong forum
Its perfect bruh
willow scarab
Damn that clip ugly as hell
willow scarab
We wiped on orgozoa for 4 hours last night and wasted our entire raid night
Anyone else have a good week of prog?
(rekill btw)
warm plinth
@strong forum, @sick sentinel is the one with shit UI XD
exotic spoke
A bunch of pulls on ashvane and started to get mechanics down. Need more dps - ut that’ll come
willow scarab
the more familiar you get the easier
oblique garnet
ngl azhara on monk is actually fun to play if you want to minmax dodging etc
oblique garnet
true
exotic spoke
Truth. Several people are close to second minor too which will help
sick sentinel
my ui is the best
shut summit
LoS mechanic is awful
exotic spoke
Monks are just a bunch of Bruce lee wannabes
strong forum
Didn't kaege have like the same ui as asmongol
willow scarab
i get second minor on reset 😃
oblique garnet
Hows your best pull on azhara sense?
shut summit
2nd decrees
sick sentinel
btw look at me. I can coral stacks
oblique garnet
and how many nights have you had on it?
shut summit
1.5
exotic spoke
I have like two weeks before I get 65
oblique garnet
thats actually pretty good prog
willow scarab
thyat's because you have a life
oblique garnet
Im assuming youre tanking on woyer
shut summit
fuck alts this xpac
zenith thistle
what do you guys prefer for minor essence in m+? i've been switching between sphere and null but not sure
shut summit
so ye
sick sentinel
@exotic spoke I'm midway through 62 like
strong forum
As minor im running cof or VoP @zenith thistle
red wedge
I just hit 60 yesterday :D
zenith thistle
i am doing vop major in m+
strong forum
R3 cof is huge dmg as minor in m+
oblique garnet
"huge damage"
strong forum
And lucid is extremely underwhelming
sick sentinel
I've been running VoP+lucid
oblique garnet
Idk about that
red wedge
I started trying out r3 cof as a minor last night. It's nice.
strong forum
Idk fam 2k dps from that alone is huge to me
sudden kayak
booming voice is for survival and devastator is for all out dps?
strong forum
On overall
zenith thistle
is the versa minor any good?
exotic spoke
I’m a little behind you kaege. A bunch of rep caches, and things to turn in. But I’m pushing them as far back as possible
red wedge
It was doing 3-5% of my overall in 17s
exotic spoke
Anima or CoF for Major and visions minor
oblique garnet
???????
zenith thistle
is vision major not good in m+?
willow scarab
conflict major with lucid and aegis minors starting next week
sick sentinel
@sudden kayak devastator is a bit more ST but you should be always running booming voice
willow scarab
free 1k vers
sudden kayak
booming voice for survival right kage?
oblique garnet
booming voice in m+
willow scarab
Devastator basically exists to only be used for ST dps in raid
sick sentinel
@willow scarab I don't personally like aegis minor save for some weeks/some dungeons
willow scarab
but what if you're going full vers build conflict/lucid
willow scarab
I'm currently liking a big tank build with low dps
oblique garnet
i mean next week conflict might not be too bad
strong forum
Fumei is tryna max vers for essence memes
willow scarab
Then letting my dps carry the damage
oblique garnet
Considering its bursting, necro and tyrannical
willow scarab
If I can pull bigger they can get more value from their damage
sick sentinel
confilct major can be good on necro ya
exotic spoke
Vision majornis fine. I just need more dps so I take other options
oblique garnet
When are you outdpsing me in keys riki? :))
sick sentinel
I have been saying that the entire time "just pull bigger and the dps will do more"
and people are like "zug zug 3 dc"
especially second season
oblique garnet
Anima 🤢
red wedge
daboo
sick sentinel
I never switch off of vision major
willow scarab
ookay
sick sentinel
not with 3 bom
exotic spoke
When are you doing 19s this seasons late!
(Boom roasted. Please don’t hurt me. I still <3)
Also, I think I may “accidentally” pull bigger this week
willow scarab
second season i was doing 200-300k aoe easily
This season i'm doing less than that
So I like full tank build to let dps carry
red wedge
I'm happy. I get my first 445 azerite tomorrow :P
exotic spoke
I only have two BoM right now. So visions lost a little bit of value
honest frigate
Why would you do that to yourself
oblique garnet
need a weekly and its our highest key atm
exotic spoke
Touché
You do it because you can and you want to push yourself. No other reason
It’s the same reason why I did waycrest manor 17 week 1
oblique garnet
there are some people who actually timed 21 ml this week
honest frigate
I am completely comfortable raid logging this season and doing my weekly 18
honest frigate
I did enough pushing S2 😪
honest frigate
Imagine me with 3.6 something
willow scarab
by the end of season if you weren't 3300 you didn't count as a m+ player imo
honest frigate
I barely slept
red wedge
It'll be interesting to see how keys will be without outlaws carrying dps all the time anymore ;p
honest frigate
It was so bad for me
I’m getting more sleep and feeling better when I play the game now
Maybe S4 will call to me
oblique garnet
At the end of last season if you just played you could get to 3.5k relatively easily
strong forum
Wanna know what's tilting me, even in mdi people still running 3x DC....
honest frigate
Lol still so arrogant late
shadow tapir
I see several different sites that list general class rankings, is there one or the other that is considered the most reputable? Example, DPS tier list from Noxxic.
strong forum
I haven't push keys, but I agree with late tbh
If people can push 4k+ you can reach 3k+ if you have enough time and will
oblique garnet
3.5k was what? All 21s in time?
honest frigate
No
strong forum
That's 3k
honest frigate
That’s 3
red wedge
My keys group is comprised of people who, prior to last season, never ran anything higher than a 10. We managed to get 2.2k last season. Hoping to go higher this season :)
willow scarab
3.5k is mostly 23s timed
honest frigate
3.5 is minimum all 23’s
strong forum
But 3k is easily manageable
exotic spoke
Late isn’t wrong. At 2.5k ( and starting several weeks into the season) it felt attainable to get 3k if we had more time
strong forum
Or rather Was
willow scarab
But
honest frigate
I had like 2 25’s timed and a 24
oblique garnet
^
willow scarab
At least from the warriors I looked at
honest frigate
25 TD and 25 FH ftw
strong forum
And shows how little gear matters at top level
Naowh had beyond garbage gear, and managed that
oblique garnet
I dont think he had garbage gear tbh
red wedge
I feel like that's also because his group was comprised of good players, too.. When your entire group can work well together, it makes things so much easier.
strong forum
At the time he had garbage gear
red wedge
Not downplaying the finish with that shit gear.
honest frigate
TD had only one pack that was scary to a warrior tank though
oblique garnet
when he started doing 16-17s on his warrior he was like 385-390 something
honest frigate
And with proper cc control it isn’t that scary
strong forum
He didn't raid at the time and had to socket full crit to get to 800 crit
And enchant and everything
exotic spoke
Coordination is key as well racial. It can make a big difference
willow scarab
I think it's only possible in TD
Since he can also afford to be very defensive and the rogues/cannons do the work
exotic spoke
F for the cannons
honest frigate
F
exotic spoke
The amount of bitching about MDI comps is just getting so annoying
red wedge
Yea. And I really hate how people consider MDI equivalent to Live Keys.
exotic spoke
I feel for classes not represented by the time trials of MDI
The HDH I run with, currently 1800 + was getting declined from 10s - 12s from groups with 2 open dps spots
red wedge
My normal group is pwar, rdruid, ele sham, bm hunter, and either balance druid or outlaw rogue.. depending on which is online when we start running.
People just get so caught up with what streamers are doing.. They think that since they stream, they must be the end-all for knowledge of that class and what to do, blah blah.. People just dont think for themselves, and it hurts the community. :P
strong forum
I know I've said it alot but get on my meme level. Prot war + rsham + shadow + fury +hunter/ret/mage/rogue
Feral too
red wedge
My s1 group's dps was ret, frost mage, and outlaw rogue. I loved that group.
strong forum
Rsham wishes he would die irl cuz his spec is so shit and its the only thing in the game he remotely enjoys
red wedge
What's he think of the buff coming up?
strong forum
Shit
red wedge
:(
strong forum
0*10 is still 0
red wedge
I dont really know anything about that class, so I dont know if it's going to make any difference what so ever
strong forum
So they buffed everything that he's not using
He can't cast chan lightning
Cuz his heals do 0
And he cannot afford not to spam heal
exotic spoke
RIP
strong forum
My s1 comp was prot + disc + rogue + double mage
So that was monkagiga too
No combat resses 🙃
And 9/10 the only combat res I have in my group is mine
From engi
red wedge
Engi so fun :D
red wedge
heh. True. I got good at that, though. My healer likes to tunnel with their dps.. dies to pyrhic blasts and things like that all the time :P
strong forum
Or healer after attempted skip rather
red wedge
Our hunter actually picked up engineering to have another rezz in group
we like to clownfiesta on the easiest stuff. lol
sullen pollen
does orgozoa melee during ichor casts?
honest frigate
I ran a 5 class engi brez comp last season was a lot of fun
hallow phoenix
You guys ever have the brez malfunction and kill you?
red wedge
Happened a couple times to the hunter in my group :P
hallow phoenix
Funniest shit
sick sentinel
Has never happened to me
warm plinth
We had one malfunction once but it didn’t kill him. Did like 80% of his health.
Might have just been cheat death actually now that I think about it
hallow phoenix
I think it's good risk vs reward. I've only had that malfunction twice, once in m+ and once in raid
warm plinth
Yeah it’s super rare.
willow scarab
I don't think the malfunction can happen to the new rez? only to the old one?
I've definitely done at least 100 rez's and not one failed or backfired
strong forum
The only 'backfire' I know about is that the item gets consumed in the process
Cuz sometimes it gets consumed, sometimes It didn't
warm plinth
Idk? I don’t know about any new vs old ones because I’m not an engineer. I know the cast starts with unstable but that’s it.
sick sentinel
What nome said
warm plinth
The out of combat one never fails but I’ve seen the battle rez fail and backfire before.
sick sentinel
The out of combat rez has a 67% or so to work
willow scarab
lmao rip
exotic spoke
Happened to our rogue
willow scarab
How often do you guys see it?
sick sentinel
Can you reflect it? 🤣
willow scarab
That has to be like 0.3% or something astronomically low
willow scarab
i love this game
shut summit
prisma crane
Lmao
sick sentinel
Fuck
exotic spoke
So uh.... i believe the thing you say to that is “shit”
short token
how much does a socket count for as a prot warrior ?
strong forum
5ilvl on gear 20-25 on rings
exotic spoke
I mean - what content? For dps or for survivability
exotic spoke
@short token what Nome said except on weapons and shields. Don’t drop any Ilvl for those slots
For survivability or dps? I mean for dps you can simyourself
Probably punch card and jes howler imo
faint reef
hi the k value has changed in 8.2 ?
exotic spoke
Yes
faint reef
where can i found it ?
exotic spoke
search k value in this disc and it should pop up - if it’s not in the pins
exotic spoke
You’re welcome
peak lily
is the spell-reflect sheet down?
warm plinth
No, the shortened link is just broken.