lmao
#protection
lusty grotto
im slowly gearing magechip now just because i need to do mechagon on her to get the alchemy recipes
with benthic only lmao
sick sentinel
do you need hard mode mechagon
lusty grotto
i just want the mount
so yeah ive been running it every week
but no i dont need HM on my mage
sick sentinel
Doing a pull on ashvane
first like 5/10 seconds
Was up to 40 seconds of avatar
😢
indigo void
merry bane
so I just got my first AZ piece from Palace. Is UT any good?
crisp spruce
@indigo void Paku
merry bane
I cant see any use for it
heavy belfry
how the fuck am I supposed to keep aggro with dps using iris
willow scarab
60 haste on ring and force multiplier
strong forum
@heavy belfry more neck levels, and... Clap better what can I tell you
@merry bane UT is a very strong trait dps wise and defensively quite good too
mint glen
hello Ashvane razor coral for prot is good?
strong forum
Bis st
fathom hollow
tawny maple
I just head a regular Mechagon with a bear druid that pushed Ironfur 20 times the whole dungeon holy MOLEY
Healed* not head
dim tusk
Are there any prot warrior streamers besides Nerf? I wanna watch some gameplay but I feel like there aren’t many tank streamers let alone war
crimson furnace
im doing M+ streams ove at Mixer
but im casual
442 ilvl
mostly doing 13 and above
barren torrent
It reminds me of à fellow prot war in my guild dying a lot in raid and M+ without understanding. After seeing his logs, he used SB 12 times in an entire run of Normal Palace
dim tusk
@crimson furnace link?
crimson furnace
moved here last night
from twitch
will be doing keys all day today
char name Starlion
on Sylvanas
i might be the best warr eu
at least i think i am ❤
lucid bough
crimson furnace
@dim tusk if u have spefific questions, class or dungeon related, we can chat here, its a great place to get help
this discord is the bomb
ppl are super nice
@lucid bough thnx, didint know we have a place like that, lol
is this relevant?
jut noticed i have this tracked as well
sick sentinel
Absolutely not relevant
strong forum
Ye that's a big thonk
meager forge
Hey all I'm new here, just came here to say prot warrior = most underrated tank spec
strong forum
Cool
meager forge
Sorry I meant underrated
meager forge
I've only been here for a bit and I'm already a failure
strong forum
Kek
meager forge
damn
sick sentinel
Overrated
spice ferry
🗞
echo bluff
Just curious as i've recently started to put work into my prot spec. Is that new compendium tank trinket remotely good?
spice ferry
No
echo bluff
That's all i need to know. I didn't think so but i wanted to check discord. I'll keep running vial + Dodge comp Device.
marble cipher
If you're revered, run the cyclo blast in stead, the single target damage of it is insane.
paper coral
Hey all. I was thinking of leveling my warrior up out of boredom. Is there a recommended spec? He'll be Prot at 120 probably, but I don't mind going Arms or whatever if it's better solo leveling
hallow phoenix
Probably fury or prot until you can get second wind in arms. Then it shouldn't matter at all. That being said just follow ur heart
paper coral
yeah, sorry. I didn't read the other channels. I'm dumb.
My warrior is 110 with artifact weapons on all specs, so it's kind of whatever I feel like.
hallow phoenix
I did 110-120 as prot just so I never had to worry about overpulling
hallow phoenix
Just tclap u got it
idle current
bit of info on the pocket sized trinket please...so the main reason for using it, is that it has the overclock card. Now the trinket itself will be fairly low level compared to others, at what point do we replace this ? also im assuming that using a 415 (171 haste, 57 ves) in the yellow is better than a 425 (178 vers, 59 crit)
sick sentinel
@idle current you want to put the highest yellow that you can
Because it increases the power of the red as well
idle current
thanks for the reply, in terms of when to swap it out, if i have a 430 urchin and a 430 edicts, then im guessing they would out rank any combination of a pocket ?
sick sentinel
Urchin will be better for Pure survivability
But if you care about your damage you keep the pocket
sick sentinel
I finally have enough residuum to get my first 445 piece. What is generally thought to be the best to roll for?
Chest
kk thanks!
or shoulders
head is fairly easy to get
I'd say chest because you'd have to wait until zaqul
There are like 4 good shoulders so it's a safe bet
I got chest, because I didn't have bom on chest, still don't lol, got the same chest at an ilvl upgrade, of course 😃
sick sentinel
atleast it's ilvl upgrade
green helm
does anima gain damage from versa?
sick sentinel
@sick sentinel yep, thank god I wasn't just rolling lottery for traits
ornate night
Is this the right channel for a returning scrub that needs help ?
Wondering if there's anything I can remove from my bar or not bother with - returning Prot spec after many years gone.
Rotation has.... changed a bit.
Where is sunder. LOL!~
barren torrent
There isn't too many class spells in BFA I think you can bind all these
dreamy trench
floral sphinx
anyone know when the mdi starts?
sick sentinel
@ornate night how long has it been since you played
shell vapor
hey guys what combination of essences you use in m+ ? currently using vision of perfection + lucid minor
vestal edge
430 socketed phial or 440 vial
sick sentinel
@vestal edge phial is garbage outside of st
So use vial
But don't macro it with avatar
You need to cast avatar and demo shout and THEN use it
vestal edge
ugh more buttons damn
sick sentinel
@shell vapor you can use sphere of suppression if you have rank 2 or confict and strife if you have rank 3 and in some dungeons (wcm, sots and ml) you should use null barrier if you have rank 3
vestal edge
im so far from rank 3 null its painful lol. i need like 12 oscillators
shell vapor
thanks i have only sphere ar r2 i don't do pvp null i have only r2 should use it ?
shell vapor
ok thanks alot 😃
stoic pilot
Speedy boi though
clever yacht
Quick azerite guide for mythic plus do you stack deafening crash ?
exotic spoke
Survival and a dps increase because of avatar and more thunder clap / BoM
sick sentinel
@shell vapor vision is a great major
For mplus mainly but many people (including me) use it everywhere
clever yacht
Ok great so try for 3x baston night and 1x def
sick sentinel
Yes
shell vapor
great thank you kaege very helpful
sick sentinel
No probs : D
waxen urchin
the icy veins guide is saying quick nav for weapon enchant, but I've seen people say on here that force multiplier is better
anyone wanna let me know which would be considered to have the edge in M+?
round vortex
I’m running force multi now. Seems to be doing more damage if that’s your motivation.
waxen urchin
yeah I'm less concerned about defensive benefits at the level of keys I'm doing
round vortex
So if M+ is your concern I’d say 100% take it lol
strong forum
Force mult is better dps
Quick nav is like 0.1% more survivability
That's about it
strong forum
And the guide is written only from a 100 % defensive perspective
round vortex
It gives some defensive benefit anyway. They stats are juicy
warm plinth
I'm not entirely sure what you're asking. Do you mean like how much mastery to reduce damage that far? Because mastery doesn't change how much you block for.
And there are no caps you should be concerned about.
warm plinth
Your crit block chance is the same as your mastery %
So if you have 30% mastery, you have a 30% chance to crit block. Which means you'd need 100% mastery to crit block 100% of the time that you block.
iron wasp
yeah but theres an amount of mastery to get for m+ that is a softcap
warm plinth
No there's not
We have no caps, breakpoints, stat goals, whatever else you want to call it. They don't exist.
I'm sure I know what you're referring to, which is the damage reduction cap on crit blocking. But that's not a concern, and even if it were, it has nothing to do with mastery.
iron wasp
"there is a softcap of 42.5% block reduction. The way crit blocking works is that you block for twice the amount instead of your normal block value up to a maximum of 85% damage reduction, because blocking 100% of something would be way too strong. And obviously 42.5 x 2 = 85.
This does not mean getting any block after your softcap is completely useless, it’s just less valuable because you don’t increase the amount you crit block by."
thats what a softcap means
warm plinth
Yeah, that's the point where crit block damage reduction is maxed out. But it's not a thing you should even think about, and it has nothing whatsoever to do with mastery.
iron wasp
beyond which DR makes it much less worthwhile
warm plinth
No, no it doesn't.
iron wasp
its good for m+ mate
warm plinth
You don't even know how our mastery works, and you're professing to know what you're talking about.
iron wasp
lol watevs
warm plinth
You can ask literally anyone of any skill in here and they'll tell you the same thing.
iron wasp
have you even read what mastery does
warm plinth
The wall of text you pasted refers to block damage reduction, which has literally nothing to do with mastery.
warm plinth
Block and crit block CHANCE, not reduction.
waxen cradle
@iron wasp Ghash is right man we have no soft caps or break points man all we have is a stat priority such as which stat having more of than another benefits us
warm plinth
If you really don't believe me, you can ask Marok. He's the admin of this server and he's the main theorycrafter for prot, and wrote the icy-veins guide.
iron wasp
did i say reduction
warm plinth
There was even a pin in here at one time talking about that very thing.
iron wasp
fuck u are a sweaty tard
waxen cradle
Any secondary stat gain is good for us @iron wasp just some are better so if you can get more of one than another its good but there is no such things as soft caps or break points for us
warm plinth
Umwat
You literally pasted something talking about reduction. What are you talking about
The "softcap" you're referring to is the point in block REDUCTION where crit blocks can't increase their damage REDUCTION anymore.
Which has absolutely nothing to do with mastery, because mastery increases our block/crit block CHANCE, not REDUCTION
waxen cradle
Ok so what is he not understanding Ghash ?
warm plinth
He wants me to tell him some magic number to shoot for, and I'm not giving him that. So he's salty.
waxen cradle
Is he confusing mastery's affect on on crit block chance with what block value does and the % of damage our block reduces ?
Thats what is sounds like to me
warm plinth
He's talking about the so-called 42.5% block reduction softcap (the point where crit block maxes out at 85% reduction)
waxen cradle
Yeah well that has zero to do with mastery so I think he is confused
Sounds like he is just confused as to how mastery and actual block value on shields work
warm plinth
¯_(ツ)_/¯
waxen cradle
and how that interacts with the % if damage reduced by our blocking a attack, BUT @iron wasp 42.5% is not a cap on block value because any block value gained past that simply increases the damage we block when we are outside of our crit blocks, BUT again @iron wasp THAT has nothing to do with mastery and the 42.5% is NOT a cap
warm plinth
You'd have to have like a 440/445 shield to even get the 42.5% in this patch anyway so it becomes even more irrelevant
Unless you stacked BfI/IF
waxen cradle
yeah exactly
They have been purposely doing that with each tier to more or less prevent us from staying at that amount throughout multiple tiers which makes sense really
undone sun
👏 dynamic 👏 k 👏 value 👏
undone sun
😊
warm plinth
But yeah I'm actually curious now how many block azerite traits you'd need with a 455 shield to have that number on mythic EP
Because the 440/445 is for M0/M+, and the Mythic raid value is like 4k higher than that lol
waxen cradle
I am going with a lot
warm plinth
Yep
waxen cradle
probably 3 BFI and 3 IF
warm plinth
Anyway, where were you when I actually got a little impatient with someone Thyme
waxen cradle
and even then it seems unlikely
waxen cradle
Because I like BoMx3 too much and all the rawr me smash you harder from the extra mastery gain
warm plinth
Tbh I was a little harsher than I intended. I just woke up and saw softcaps and shit
Went full Nimchip
Almost pinged him so I could feel less toxic
winged grail
Hey there - how to be use Crucible of Flame rank3?
waxen cradle
There is a time in place and when someone is trying to spread misinformation that is the time and place
mystic ferry
I don’t raid mythic, so if I understand our gearing correctly benthic is much more important for me right? 425 socketed items will be better than anything I get from m+ or the cache for a while
waxen cradle
Granted BoMx3 is supreme in M+ and some say BFI is better for raid, one I had a easier time getting 3 BoM, and two I like how BoM feels over BFI as BFI feels unreliable at times
And well getting 3 BoM was way easier then getting 3 BFI but I didn't try much so thats most of it there
If end up later building a pure raid set that stacks BFI I might do that but for now its not a priority for me
warm plinth
@mystic ferry Benthic is used by people because the effects on a few of the pieces are incredibly strong for Mythic raiding (DPS-wise). If you're not raiding, then use them if they're your highest ilevel, but that's it.
sick sentinel
ive been trying to get the prot hidden artifact for 10 days now, please tell me i havent missed some kind of requirement...
warm plinth
The effects do not work outside of the raid, so if you're not raiding, then they are worth nothing more than any other 425 item
sick sentinel
i went to the class hall and read the stone thing all the way through and always go into the cave in prot spec and loot spec
waxen cradle
Besides for me at least I am going to be far too busy saving residuum for the specific pieces I want to buy later on to worry much about building a entire set that stacks BFI
warm plinth
It took me 3 weeks G Dollar; just gotta keep trying.
sick sentinel
warm plinth
Yep :/
sick sentinel
should be patched or something 😡
warm plinth
Eh, I mean, I would agree if it was harder than just going to a cave once a day
undone sun
Rng is rng
warm plinth
You want to have an artifact appearance to be pissed about, go farm the windwalker hidden appearance
warm plinth
Not only is it RNG, but you have to farm ancient mana to do it, and you can only try once every 3 days
sick sentinel
ww fists clip every single model tho im pretty sure
warm plinth
That's not the point though lol
sick sentinel
😄
warm plinth
I still love them personally; idc if they clip
Easily my favorite artifact appearance
sick sentinel
can you confirm i should get a chat message when i enter the cave?
currently im looking around in the whole cave every time
warm plinth
You should, when you approach the cliff. There's a script on wowhead you can run to be safe in case addon messages spam it off your screen or something like that
sick sentinel
people are saying the script isnt working anymore in the comments
warm plinth
You don't have to do that. If you go to the edge of the cliff and you don't get an emote, there's nothing to be gained from running around inside the cave
sick sentinel
ok so no chat message > just port away?
warm plinth
Yep. Just run to the edge of the cliff and if you don't see anything, try again tomorrow. No reason that script shouldn't work anymore though.
sick sentinel
got it, thanks
waxen cradle
Yeah I got mine when that script was first announced, or posted or w/e
warm plinth
All it's doing is checking if a certain daily quest has been completed. There are two daily quests that can be triggered by entering the cave; one is the quest that gives you the appearance, one is the quest that doesn't. All that script does is check if the one that gives you the appearance has been completed. So if it says false, the appearance isn't there.
frank otter
hi, idk if this has been asqued before but what's the best weapon enchant for prot warriors? wowhead says force multiplier and icy veins quick navi 🤔
warm plinth
Quick Navigation is marginally better for survivability. Force Multiplier is the general go-to/DPS enchant
frank otter
alright, thank you!
sick sentinel
I like how somebody came in, asked a retarded question, was unhappy from the answer, called ghash a retard and left
exotic spoke
Thad the Internet!
sick sentinel
What a world that we live in
exotic spoke
More block is more better
It’s funny, in some games / interactions I love to come across people with a misunderstanding like that
In others it’s cancer
warm plinth
I am kind of special, tbf
exotic spoke
I just mean, like I play poker a couple times a quarter. I love coming across people who think they know what their doing / understand probability / odds
Most of the time it’s free money
topaz sparrow
Does avatar from visions of perfection proc Bastion of might?
strong forum
yes
manic cypress
Hello my prot brothers, can i ask what is the best wep enchant u guys use for raiding/m+?
is it naga hide or quick nav?
strong forum
force multiplier
unless you are dying
you dont need defensive enchant
and even then, chances are higher you die due to bad play, enchant isnt gonna magically save you
quick grail
Are there any bosses in EP where you use the magic shield side of the edicts trinket?
mortal brook
1st boss and behemoth dmg profile may be higher for magic dmg over physical. ashvane as soak tank.
tanknotes can give a better idea. esp as prot wars who are already so physical mitigation heavy, the magic dmg could be more significant for those two bosses
quick grail
Cheers
summer pecan
What is the best essence of raiding crucible or vision?
sick sentinel
Depends on if you are looking for damage or surv
surv is Vision, damage is crucible
summer pecan
surv for sure our guild lost a tank. So taking over tank position looking for tips and trip
sick sentinel
Vision + rank 3 null barr
summer pecan
yep grinding mechagon now how about traits you want 3 bastion right?
sick sentinel
BFI is better for raids but 3 bastion is what most people want yes
summer pecan
cool and then one of each?
sick sentinel
ilvl
summer pecan
trinket I have urchin and edict
anything else I should be looking for?
null barrier for minor
?
sick sentinel
if it's rank 3 sure
summer pecan
if not? memory?
sick sentinel
sure
cerulean oxide
Hi all - i'm trying to decide between continuing to play my BM monk vs gearing up my prot warrior. Right now my BM monk feels like it gets hit really hard, even when im keeping 90-100% uptime on the ironskin brew + purifying somewhat frequently. Is swapping over to prot worth it, or would I be better off just getting good?
heavy belfry
you should have 100% uptime on ironskin
brm should never get hit really hard due to stagger
unless you wanna play pWar I'd get gud
lyric cove
anyone got a new link for blockable/reflectable damage?
https://goo.gl/Tb49B3 doesn't seem to work
shut summit
lyric cove
thanks
flint tiger
hey, for M+ is undulating tides really a much better trait than Brace for Impact?
summer pecan
rank 1 memory vs rank 1 null which is better for surv?
prisma crane
@flint tiger provided you dont constantly proc the shield @ 50% hp it does a ton of dmg
exotic spoke
@summer pecan as a minor or major? And what content?
dull current
is this good
summer pecan
Raiding
I was looking for mainly surv while raiding essences vision major someone told me
undone sun
sporepods in general is trash, the str alone might make it better depending on your options
indigo narwhal
any tips on using razor coral as prot warrior?
sick sentinel
every other avatar
winged grail
Thoughts on Dream's End? Just dropped it 435. Can replace Servant Splitter 440 (no secondary, chance for bleed on hit) or Resonating Crystal Scimitar 440 (85 Crit, 65 Haste). For raid mainly, but also mythic+
winged grail
Dream's End is simming like insane... clearly bugged, giving me +25% DPS
barren torrent
Does anyone know what are the new K values in 8.2 ? Was using thoses from Lepan's guide on Wowhead but they are out of date
undone sun
M0/M+: 10344.6 (x1.642)
EP LFR: 10344.6 (x1.642)
EP Normal: 11478.6 (x1.822)
EP Heroic: 12782.7 (x2.029)
EP Mythic: 14282.1 (x2.267)
I'm a believer that more damage is better if you know how to survive so I'd go for the higher simming thing
But a lot of other people say go more ilvl
barren torrent
Thanks a lot @undone sun didn't know where else to search ❤
undone sun
👍
tender burrow
So this artifact skin a legend or so one get it this week? I am missing something. On week 4, prot specced and going in daily waiting for the roar
strong forum
That's just unluck
lusty grotto
rng is rng
strong forum
Back in Legion I got it in 30minutes where you could just log in and out and press the thingy
lusty grotto
i got it within 2 weeks
undone sun
3 hours
lusty grotto
it was funny though
strong forum
Ye it was
lusty grotto
"aw shit here we go again"
thorny pumice
would you guys use a 430 howler or a 430 urchin? i've got a 445 sporepod with a socket which i was using for the str
thorny pumice
cool, ty. that's what ive been using but howler just dropped
sick sentinel
Using... sporepods... throws up
tawny maple
Using any of those three trinkets ew
onyx vessel
Whats wrong with howler
onyx vessel
Fair enough
tawny maple
Urchin and sporepods feel crappy too
strong forum
urchin is great
but sporepods is as good as a stat stick
without anything but str
onyx vessel
Howler and overclock is what im using
Haste proc punch card
I only tank m+ tho
So howler is nice for it
onyx vessel
True but i dont have anything else
strong forum
cuz of the before mentioned lineup
onyx vessel
Yup
tawny maple
I just personally feel urchin just underperforms under edict or my 425 diamond /shrug
That's just my preference tho
strong forum
425 diamond is better than 430 urchin
edict needs ilvl and long encounters to be good
tawny maple
Well I'm talking about overall in a m+
I don't run any defensive trinkets in raids :P
strong forum
nobody does
onyx vessel
I dont tank in raids right now
But my current tanks seem pretty dumb
Kinda tilting
We stuggling on ashvane for a bit
tawny maple
Raid tanking is EZ Clap
strong forum
ashvane is a bitch and a half to tank
onyx vessel
Looked at my details seen the tank took no dmg from taking bubbles and called him out on it
strong forum
my most hated boss in a while
onyx vessel
Cuz they were hitting boss
Still doesnt take the bubbles
Smh
While raid is dying to 3 stacks
strong forum
raid shouldnt take more than 1
tawny maple
Yeah sounds like your raid needs to work better as a team
onyx vessel
Tanks were taking 1 maybe 2 and only 1 of them
tawny maple
I mean it doesn't have to be the tank
onyx vessel
It can
tawny maple
It can, but if the Coral is on the opposite side of the room why would they get it?
onyx vessel
No the ones in melee werent getting soaked enough
tawny maple
What difficulty is this
lusty grotto
marble cipher
Which one would you take for M+ tanking?
tawny maple
Sim it @marble cipher
But I'm pretty sure the championship ring will come out on top
marble cipher
k, I'll run a patchwerk + dungeonslice I guess
onyx vessel
We got 6/8 but took 12 pulls
marble cipher
@tawny maple Ancient Dredger pulls ahead on ST for 25 dps, and on dungeon slice for 10 dps, it's more, but, I'll go with the Champ ring for the extra mastery tbf
Since it's such a tiny dps difference
tawny maple
I mean sims are sims /shrug
I just figured the ring with the more overall stats would be better, but you could already have a fuck ton of mastery and low crit
That's why it's important to sim 👍
marble cipher
aye, good shout 😉
I dropped mastery for crit since I had 3 BoM
"had" being the keyword sadly
damn ilvl upgrades lost me 2xBoM already...
marble cipher
yeah, went with that, seems like a "nicer" spread of secondaries
dusk tendon
Heyyy guys, can i find somewhere the tier list for prot trinkets for exclusivly Mythic + ?
sterile mantle
Does reckless flurry still work in prot spec
lusty grotto
yes
sterile mantle
ok working on making my Prot warrior better for raid
would it be better than Callous reprosal?
lusty grotto
defensively no
offensively and with devastator yes
only for single target encounters
sterile mantle
im mainly talking abotu dmg on raid bosses
lusty grotto
hence the offensively part
sterile mantle
Booming voice is hard to give up
lusty grotto
RF is not as good without devastator
dusk tendon
Guess not ._.
spice ferry
@dusk tendon rezans and gore
Will do you fine, though in reality you need to consider tfs or what you actually have access too.
dusk tendon
Okay thanks a lot, i'm fairly new to tanking, you mind saying me what gore is and tfs xD ?
sterile mantle
just trying to get my fmg up a bit without loosing to muc surv
giving up a IF for wither\
eitehr
lusty grotto
eh?
why
IF does damage too
you could just sim it
against a single patchwerk
1 RF will drop all defensiveness either way
oblique garnet
🤔
lusty grotto
so i mean
if you don't want to drop defensiveness at all... you shouldn't be asking about it
lusty grotto
just sim the two if you're worried about damage
hallow phoenix
Is there a good way to get reckless flurry to show up on raid bots' top gear option as prot?
hallow phoenix
When I'm simming for top gear the RF trait only shows up if it is either currently selected on the piece in game or if I'm fury. I'd like it to show up as an option when I'm simming prot DPS
lusty grotto
uhhh i can select it just fine
hallow phoenix
Weird...
lusty grotto
hallow phoenix
Maybe it's an option I can toggle
dusk tendon
Can someone please tell me what those trinkets are ? I mean the full name ? Gore and tfs
lusty grotto
are you loading from SimC?
dusk tendon
Please "o"
hallow phoenix
Yeah from simc
hallow phoenix
That's it! Thanks
tawny maple
@dusk tendon the trinket from crit trinket from Waycrest and the haste trinket from Atal'dazar
Open your adventure journal
warm plinth
Gore-crusted Butcher's Block and Rezan's Gleaming Eye
dusk tendon
@tawny maple Found those
And tfs stands for titan forges or ?
I'm french, bare with me boys
warm plinth
Idk what TFS stands for tbh
lusty grotto
🤷
tawny maple
Guessing it means titatanforgres
lusty grotto
ghash
dusk tendon
Okay, i guessed it right !
warm plinth
Yeah?
sick sentinel
Tfs probably means total friggin superstar
dusk tendon
Obviously
exotic spoke
On single target and at the cost of survivability
oblique garnet
😪
lusty grotto
it takes a bit getting used to, and offers nothing for defensiveness though
exotic spoke
But yes it is. It’s fun to do too
oblique garnet
Why are you all like this
warm plinth
Can we have the leech meme back? I think I'd rather deal with that than the RF/Deva shit
lusty grotto
cause we dont have 450 ilvl
oblique garnet
Smh im only 445
exotic spoke
@oblique garnet I assume I’m included. Because I assume most people here don’t know what they are doing until proven otherwise
oblique garnet
oblique garnet
Im on vacation rn so yes
onyx vessel
Vacations are overrated
exotic spoke
Basically here too. Two group members gone so fuck trying to fill those
It’s ok late - you’re in the better raid group
oblique garnet
One day ill start playing dungeond seriously too
sick sentinel
What punch cards are best for the trinket
exotic spoke
Let me bask in my temporary glory ok?
for what situation scooter and what are you trying to do ?
sick sentinel
Mythic plus just got back and trying to figure this all out again lol
exotic spoke
Like raid, m+ farming, m+ pushing? Survival or dps
sick sentinel
Dps m+
exotic spoke
Probably the haste one. If you’re farming 10s the cyclotronic isn’t bad. But it loses effectiveness in high keys quickly
What about the one that increases damage against a particular naked enemy.
Does anyone know how that works exactly?
fresh vigil
does Albative shielding stack?
sick sentinel
is 26.2k sim high for no benthic?
lusty grotto
yes the amount stacks @fresh vigil
outer radish
I'm tanking dungeons with my friend at level 70. I have noticed that the last few levels I have been getting hit much harder. Ii was wondering if the dungeons are just putting out more damage, or am I maybe doing something wrong?
I understand that the game isn't balanced around level 70, I just went from feeling like a god at level 55 to now getting trucked
dreamy epoch
Can someone explain the low down on enchants? Been using Quick Navigation, but I see some high prot warriors pushihg with Naga Hide and FM. How do you make a decision there?
cerulean oxide
@outer radish all scaling while leveling is pretty fucked. Sometimes you'll do great, few levels later you'll get stomped.
i did diremaul awhile back and got absolutely reamed after having a relatively easy time with everything before it
outer radish
Ok, I was just curious. I just did a Sethekk Halls and got bitched at for sucking and then the next dungeon was Blood Furnace and the healer and a dps told me I was the best tank they have had that night. Just seems all over the place dungeon to dungeon.
lusty grotto
people bitching in leveling content 🤷 yikes
lusty grotto
y i k e r i n o s
sick sentinel
Yikeroni and cheese
fresh vigil
how many ilvls would u give a socket? would u wear a 415 of a 420 cause the 415 has a socket?
undone sun
on a ring? sure
fresh vigil
what about legs/feet/wrist?
outer radish
I'm not struggling in leveling content. I just noticed I was getting hit harder. Was just wondering. Geeze.
lusty grotto
we mean the people bitching
honestly im not sure but it might be K-value shenanigans, due to scaling
therefore you might block less as it scales higher
either way leveling content is not the best way to judge if you're playing correctly or not
sick sentinel
I hate playing coral
ugh
coral with avatar cd reduction with crucible major
so many actives
Brother I’m not attacking you
Anyway of making crucible with coral and VoP minor less hectic while tanking
or do you just have to predict all that stuff
sick sentinel
I do
just hard to manage when it's my first tier tanking and I'm doing mythic ashvane
so I have to call out to raid lead and stuff
inland mesa
I don't have a coral what are you watching with it? Crucible is easy just get a WA to appear and sparkle when it is up and hit it
inland bolt
Does anyone have screenshots of the gear divinefield, naowh or nerf used in mdi?
lusty grotto
basically what we recommend for M+ with defensive trinkets and naga hide
most of them had dreams end
edict
and whatever
haste + crit heavy gear
scenic seal
possible to tank m3 ML with 370 main hand and shield 380 ivll?
or will big hits be too much
warm plinth
There are no big hits in a +3. :p
hidden plaza
would a 420 shockbiter or 410 tuskarr sea charm for m+ limited on 2nd trinket choice
undone sun
😡
lusty grotto
hes right
🗞 🐻
I AM THE SENATE
lol applying to mechagon groups on my mage
405
instantly denied before i link hardmode achieve
lusty grotto
just hit him with the newspaper
sour vortex
Best alliance class for M+?
lusty grotto
dwarf, dark iron or night elf
sour vortex
all pretty close?
lusty grotto
depends on your group setup
kinda useless to go NE if your entire group isn't NE
shadowmeld is predominantly used for skips
lusty grotto
you can also meld necrotic
but you would have to get agro back relatively quickly
whereas dwarf and dark iron simply racial it
same with any bleed and/or magic effect
honorable mention towards lightforged draenei cause their racial does great dps, but of course only if you land it since it can be tricky
frigid quarry
so what are some tips/tricks for handling "skittish" weeks in M+? I'm hitting T-clap on CD and ret pallys and demon hunters are still pulling off with their AOE cleave
undone sun
is there a great ilevel gap? i can't imagine there should be much issue with DS and Avatar used properly
warm plinth
I peel off all of our tanks during my opener tbh
Even the warriors
Without iris, fwiw
grand drum
warm plinth
Unless you're dying or aiming his smash at the group, there's nothing you can really do about it. Group has to kill the adds
scenic seal
i dont tank rn
undone sun
NL memories flooding back @grand drum
lusty grotto
group em up, stun em on quake, pop lust, go to town
dont get hit
ez tip
next
WONT YOU THINK OF THE 401 ilvl MAGE ALT THAT NEEDS ALCHEMY RECIPES MECHAGON GROUP FINDER
😢
i cyr everytim
tawny maple
Weird question but does anyone know of any WA or addon that says "idiots"?
proven jackal
Just a question about Prot War tanking on Radiance, I seem to get destroyed by the Stormwraith add. Does anyone have any tips on how to mitigate it better? I'm saving all my CDs for the add too.
willow scarab
stun/interrupt the adds and sue healing externals, their damage isn't blockable
proven jackal
So it is just all on my healers to keep me alive?
And does that mean I shouldnt bother with Shield block and just dump all my rage into IP?
sick sentinel
is 22k a decent sim?
also idk why but nullification dynamo minor sims higher than crucible minor? i dont understand that
mint imp
@proven jackal yes is the dmg taken is not blockable, dump as much as you can to IP
sick sentinel
by like 500 dps
proven jackal
@mint imp Understood thanks a lot
mint imp
@sick sentinel what do you sim for? Patch 5min?
sick sentinel
im using raidbots so yeah
its wierd because i know that crucible will do more damage than null dynamo
mint imp
There are different types of fights. Both rank 3?
mint imp
Sim top gear
winter swan
any 1 here to help real quick ?
sick sentinel
you gotta be way more specific than that
spice ferry
^
pseudo depot
between these two choices which would be better for prot a 425 jes's howler or a 425 Rezan's Eye?
spice ferry
425 rezans, but whats your other choice
stable gazelle
anyone using aegis of the deep as a minor?
sick sentinel
well for one he doesn't have any of his benthic gear selected
Has the worst traits on gear I've ever seen
Doesn't have the right trinkets on
and wrong essences
for dps
im not wearing benthic on purpose
I'm talking about w hy he thinks your dps is low on your sim
just saying why
sick sentinel
im not using razor coral because it dosnt seem worth it in a dungeon
get like max 3 stacks per pull
willow scarab
you can't sim for dungeons anyway
sick sentinel
why are you smming for M+ lol
i know im talkign about whe ni run deungons with it
anyway this is how his sim really is
still has god awful azerites
if he changed that, he would be around like 30k
sorry i cant get lucky on gambles
I haven't even gambled my stuff yet ol
lo
id rather have ilvl over azerite
I'd prefer damage and surviv
im playing gladiator spec
Triple dc
Yikes
He doesn't hve anything else
wait
I mean he could run DC, iron and BFI
willow scarab
this is for ST in raid
sick sentinel
yikes
willow scarab
BoM isn't the only good trait
sick sentinel
It's huge st rbh
raiding with that tho
Ouch
@sick sentinel and I would take anything over multiple dcs, except bloodsport
Iron AND bfi are miles better than a second or third dc
I'd even take cr over it
I mean iron fortress does prety much nothign damage wise
It does like 2% in a dungeon, it's as much as a HMC
i tried out a triple IF build a month or so ago and it did like 2% of my damage in an aoe situation
Do you wanna do high keys or not
high key meta now is defensive
everyone has enough DPS to push fast, you just need to survive
Because if you step into an 18 fort with a 430 shield and no block traits
You're getting fucked
my goal isnt to push M+ Im just focused on doing as much damage as possible
a dead warrior does no damage
:4head:
thats waht healers are for
And btw, even in an 18 you can go slow and not do anything crazy and as long as you don't die you can time it
That's the wrong mentality
healers spamming you just for a tad bit more damage makes it a lot harder for healers, your group and it just makes it worse for everyone in general because you have to kite, less time for dps to actually dps. The healer can't cat weave and nuke shit
You're gonna be spending all your rage on ip
Not even rage left for revenge
less rage for revenge ye
You will need to kite
You don't do damage while kiting
Also time spent with your healer drinking is also time wasted
lone umbra
gearing up my prot warr and I have a question regarding essences, currently have anima r2, crucible r2, worldvein r2, aegis r1, undying gift r1, and lucid dreams r1, for mythic plus and tanking 10s at 420ilvl I'm having some trouble staying consistently alive, I'm thinking undying gift major and lucid dreams minor? all the others seam bad
tawny maple
@lone umbra logs my dude
most of the reason you die alot is due to bad play
on you or your other group memeber
brittle owl
keys until 15 are mostly down to individual play
lone umbra
just talking m+ I don't have any logs, bt yea I'm definitely a lil rusty haven't thunder clapped since legion
brittle owl
there's no strategy needed
so if a key fails, someone definately failed at something
be it the healer, tank, dps, or everyone involved
lone umbra
for sure
tawny maple
@lone umbra just keep shield block and ignore pain up and you'll be fine
sweet kettle
depends on what dmg you are taking at the time you should maximize uptime on both SB and IP but always try and make the most out of them
spice ferry
Yes, you take str gem in first two
terse lion
Someone told me shield slam scales with weapon damage in bfa. Checking wowhead it only shows an AP multiplier. Who is wrong?
sick sentinel
you can only take one 120 gem tho...
neat harbor
so apparently this demon hunter with shit gear just fucked me up as prot
and Im not understanding how he can hit me for so much through block etc
might help if I actually knew the first thing about DH damage
sweet kettle
open world?
neat harbor
yeah
sweet kettle
tanks are garbage in open world
sweet kettle
you arent actually that tanky
like a prot pala is good because paladins have pvp oriented toolkit
your block means nothing when a dh spins around you
neat harbor
mmm ok so
looking at the actual damage taken
basically all of his shit is spell dmg
makes sense
sweet kettle
well yeah its chaos
neat harbor
immolation aura, traiil of ruin DoT
ahh there we go, annihilation
did like 35% of his dmg
sweet kettle
havoc is a king in pvp
neat harbor
well all his shit ignores armor so yeah
makes sense to me now
DK 2.0
F em hero class mains
sweet kettle
best thing to do is have a group or just cc him and run the fk away
neat harbor
no Im not actually worried about it
I just didnt understand it
makes sense now, its nothing but spell dmg
sick sentinel
Orgozoa's Paralytic Barb i got this wep at 420ilvl from timewalking its good for another defensive aye 😃
frigid heart
yea
slim pier
how is aegis as a minor in m+
brittle owl
you're losing out on 475 strength from rezan
strictly as a haste proc trinket
rezan is strictly better
pocket size is only worth it for cyclo blast
obtuse venture
alright thanks.
hallow phoenix
I thought icyveins ranked overclock mechagon trinket as better than rezans. Is that not the case anymore?
spice ferry
it is with cyclo
hallow phoenix
@slim pier I like sphere of suppression more. Just got my rank 3 null barrier too and like it more than aegis as well
knotty stone
icyveins specifically states with the haste proc its the best...so it needs updated then?
sick sentinel
I went in to
I went into M Sivara last night with my new guild, and we got her to 20 percent, did fine, she will die next time, but she was popping me hard on crushing reverb. My tank partner was a monk, and he was getting hurt way less by crushing. i just wanted to make sure i am using the best essences I can. He was using null rank 3, and he said it was amazing on that fight. Is it for us as well? I was using VOP and Lucid Dreams.
strong forum
null r3 is the best minor in the game
for crushing reverb you want to be as healthy as possible since you cannot block it
sick sentinel
I was using las and sb before every one I could. Without the cds, it's big lol
oblique garnet
Its 180k~ without anything
oblique garnet
Unless you are like 410 then probably hurts more
sick sentinel
435, it's not horrible I guess, but raid was having trouble with getting hit by barrages too, so it was probably just getting raid damage from others getting hit by barrages and then crushing coming that was making the hits look so bad
First time in there for the raid, stuff will get cleaned up.
So should null be run as the minor with VOP as major?
strong forum
defensively yes
sharp plank
Silivaz should not be tanked in the center right? just keep him where the spark spawns for the entire fight?
speaking for heroic
sharp plank
got into a pug where they kept tanking it in the center, and pashmar at her starting location
politely suggested this much more efficient method and they absolutely would not do it lol
hallow phoenix
When you do that do you also tank pashy on a spark location?
oblique garnet
Yes
sharp plank
tank swaps should be happening during the each of the boss' big casts right?
i think its like 8 stacks in between each? not sure
hallow phoenix
I've always done first 8 pash stacks is a swap and then every frenetic charge
oblique garnet
On hc you cant taunt swap inbetween casts etc
They ramp up too fast on hc
But on mythic you can
hasty dagger
Since when are we running as many reckless flurry’s for raid bosses
sharp plank
ive been using 3x RF for timewalking lmao
hallow phoenix
Interestingly brace for impact Sims about 250-300 lower than RF for me
I think I'd like 3x bfi this tier
twilit jasper
are the pufferfish bracers basically the same dps as the frost ones? sim says only 26 dps difference but one also has aoe
grim berry
Hey there, can i sim my character with 2 minor essences right now ?
strong forum
just set neck level to 65
fresh vigil
would you wear 405 azerite over 415 to get triple bastion?
strong forum
depends on the traits
fresh vigil
only 1 bastion available on the 415 azerite
strong forum
for example, im running 0 BoM on 445
cuz i dont have any
i need more info than bom or not bom
strong forum
screenshots, or string ye
fresh vigil
dm
fresh vigil
screen shot can work
noble hamlet
Do bastion proc on VoP?
noble hamlet
ok
strong forum
35% of the mastery if you have rank 2
its not a full bom proc, only 35% of the mastery value
fresh vigil
@strong forum sent
sick sentinel
@noble hamlet but if you are in avatar and extend the duration using vop the big mastery buff is extended
analog swift
wwait
noble hamlet
ok nice
tawny maple
@sick sentinel you use one Leviathans eye and one krakens eye
sick sentinel
@sick sentinel what if you get get a proc from VoP and pop avatar while the duration is still up? Do you have a 35% for your avatar duration
It over writes
dusky mica
don't press avatar if you have a proc up, press it as it ends
zenith ermine
How are the tanks in MDI doing so high hps? Is it the raid trinkets? I'm only doing m+ so havn't gotten those
oblique garnet
pretty much raid trinkets ye
strong forum
Urchin + edict and 1 or 2 Impassive Visage
noble hamlet
Do Ablative Shielding stack or should you only run 1 of that trait?
sacred holly
Are 2 Undulating Tides worth for M+? Or pref 1 UT and 1 Brace for Impact?
strong forum
@noble hamlet run 0, it's very bad for prot warri
@sacred holly depending on your shield ilvl, UT is great damage but has its downside when you proc, BfI has no downside
sick sentinel
Tides is good defensively 🤧
oblique garnet
mmkay
sick sentinel
just realized how much phial of the tempest pumps on fights like ashvane, org, radiance where adds spawn after you getting high stacks with it
the ncoral just making it crit hard
does like 7/8% of my damage
🤧
both a t 430
strong forum
Today 1st time running phial, will see how it does
30min until raid and already getting anxiety.
Fuck me I hate ashvane progress
sick sentinel
But why it is so fun and engaging as a tank
strong forum
It's pure terror
I love being afk
And just getting loot
But it's mostly due to annoying guild mates tryna say shit bout me since EP release
fast jacinth
anyone got a simple warrior weak aura? all the ones on wago have just soo much going on like every skill etc
sick sentinel
Well what do you want?
warm plinth
^
sick sentinel
Alternatively you can make what you want to see.
fast jacinth
mostly just the ignore pain, shield block, rage bar and the main cd's not absolutely everything
yeh i really am not good at that haha
warm plinth
You can do templates for all of those things; makes it pretty easy
warm plinth
Open WA, click new at the top left, click From Template, click what kind of WA you want, then click the category of the spell you want, choose the spell, and boom
fast jacinth
hm ok then ill give it a look then
opaque summit
Brand new to prot and tanking in general. Is there a BIS list for defense similar to DPS?
warm plinth
No sir, our BiS for survival is the highest ilevel you can get for everything except trinkets.
onyx vessel
Dead tank = 0 dmg
limpid pawn
so sphere of suppression minor is actually good?
sick sentinel
Tanking ashvane is easy
5% wipe this week
Im so sad
People died to upsurge 😡
Up dawgs
void hill
Can you guys suggest a good enemy castbar WA. I've seen some streamers who push high keys who have castbar WA pop up on interuptable casts
not part of the unit frame but in the middle of screen
unkempt palm
What battle pots do you guys use for m+ for trash and bosses?
steady ore
Anyone got WA for sound notification for shield block running out?
sick sentinel
Use strength for trash, unbridled for st
unkempt palm
Ok was thinking the same thing, thanks
wispy plume
Proximity potions are better on 4+ mobs
tawny maple
@steady ore just download one already made and add a sound effect to it
eager hedge
So, ive been on queens court for a little while.
Im confused as to why i happen to take such big hits from Deferred Sentence. Ive looked into other logs and tanks only taking average of 90-120k, tho mine always seem to chill at 160k average with clearing on 2-3 stacks
nocturne moth
Is there any sort of soft or hard cap for haste?
ionic fern
eager hedge
Pre mitigation damage taken
Logs for tonight
Im forced to go full deff cus of it
Super obnoxious
floral sphinx
how do you increase your IP value without using trait?
warm plinth
Versatility, mastery, strength
floral sphinx
ok thanks
eager hedge
Pull 19, i cleared on 2 stacks every single time
Any luck seeing why @ionic fern ):?
oblique garnet
@eager hedge Your average hit is around the same as mine from deterred sentence and i was moving at 3
sick sentinel
eager hedge
We had .1% wipe. Pashmar got full hp as other boss had 400k. Granted, this was 10 sec into berserk
frigid hazel
which zandalari loa do i want as a prot?
onyx vessel
For what?
ruby nexus
kinda new to tanking but how should i deal with shadow of zul in KR on fortiweeks? i feel like im just totally melting against him lul
onyx vessel
All magic dmg so ip like mad and use spell reflect
ruby nexus
shield block is completely useless there?
cinder pasture
Yep, shield block does nothing on him except give you some bigger shield slams
tawny maple
Google it @left turret
left turret
Damn why i couldnt think about it mate ? Thanks
İ wanted to know experienced players opinion
tawny maple
@left turret they're all good and easy to pick up try them out and pick whatever one is most fun for you
tawny maple
Okay?
mystic pilot
hey all, how do you guys deal with shadow of zul in Kings' Rest on higher keys, i can't seem to survive it
warm plinth
Blow CDs/lust on it, run far far away if all defensives/externals are gone and he's still alive
mystic pilot
can you LOS him then?
mystic pilot
ah ok cheers
warm plinth
Best way to do it if you have to run is to run until it cancels his cast, then stop and let him start casting, then run a little more
Once you get back to 3rd boss room, you can die if you need to and just insta-taunt
mystic pilot
also (sorry to ask so many questions) i saw all the warriors using aegis/conflict and strife minors in the MDI, is that what we should be using and if so which one first?
ruby nexus
running to 3rd boss room doesn't work if you skip the pack before it 😄
mystic pilot
dw im dumb and take no rogues
dark lark
@mystic pilot they're using aegis and conflict to stack vers I believe
Which helps the self healing
mystic pilot
so we should keep using lucid?
dark lark
I don't think there's a black and white answer to that
But the long version is, for m+: do what the pros do
mystic pilot
ah yeah i should probably say that i don't raid, just m+