there u go nom
#protection
modern brook
prisma crane
i mean if i'm horde im belf or ztroll
strong forum
Fuck Auto correct
prisma crane
maybe tauran
strong forum
Fuck mobile
prisma crane
upright orcs are kinda neat i guess
modern brook
belfs are hell yeah
strong forum
Cows suck even more than orcs
timid jay
Cows are good eating
prisma crane
^
strong forum
Troll is masterrace
modern brook
Troll is dope af
prisma crane
dont worry alliance
strong forum
After dwarf
prisma crane
you get fat humans
strong forum
:haHAA:
prisma crane
if they made fat humans just bigger humans i'd have swapped
strong forum
Soon
timid jay
Are they fat gnomes?
prisma crane
yet*
prisma crane
fat gnomes, now that's a race
warm plinth
Uhhh, Kul Tirans are bae Krotos, idk what you're talking about
prisma crane
lol
strong forum
Nobody likes to play the fat dude
timid jay
Does anyone actually play the fat humans?
modern brook
@strong forum shrek tho
strong forum
nobody
prisma crane
KT humans are just dad bods, and idk, looks weird to me
i just like how tall they are
warm plinth
I literally leveled 3 Kul Tirans from scratch as soon as I got them unlocked
timid jay
🤔
prisma crane
they're like BiS for tanks right?
strong forum
You want to look cool in a game not fat and homeless
prisma crane
i know DID are strong too
strong forum
Na dwarf is better
warm plinth
I have a shaman and a druid at max level, and a warrior and monk in progress
But idk I still like dwarf better for warrior
modern brook
dwarf animations suck tbh
strong forum
Dwarf is literally bis
prisma crane
na, dwarf anus suck, thats what i read
strong forum
In everthing
prisma crane
sry bull
warm plinth
Idk, people say that but I don't really see what's the matter with them
modern brook
Yeah its fine :/
strong forum
Dwarfs are the best
modern brook
they have like no weight
warm plinth
The only thing I might do on my war is change to Dark Iron
But idk, I like the dwarf heritage armor way better than the DID armor
warm plinth
But DID does have the fire beards, which is cool
Also what in the fuck is up with Marok's pfp
modern brook
i mean
I'd look like that too if everyday someone asked a question that I answered beautifully in a guide hosted on the internet
timid jay
@fierce juniper removed my friend rank 😡
warm plinth
Rude
timid jay
Friendship with skyhold ended
warm plinth
😢
modern brook
only to have big monkeys (like @modern brook) muck it up when asked about it
timid jay
Now HoW is my best friend
warm plinth
Is it though?
timid jay
I have a meme rank there at least
prisma crane
wtb more meme ranks
timid jay
Can't read #memehold anymore
prisma crane
lol
warm plinth
You lost friend role because no boost 😦
Gotta help us get 50 more emojis man
That we'll never actually have
prisma crane
paytowin
warm plinth
Krotos did you see we have a new 
timid jay
I don't even have nitro
warm plinth
Recompiled Guardian Module
timid jay
Now that was a piece of shit
prisma crane
armor proc
prisma crane
there's a new trinket that i like
where i can troll ppl
and use their life to take a big hit and fuck them
i need to get it
willow fractal
so i bought a random 445 azerite armor and it does not have BoM as a azrite trait...is it still worth using over a 430 with BoM?
warm plinth
BoM by itself is not worth dropping ilevel. But if your BoM piece has overall great traits and the new one has shit, it may be better to keep using the 430
prisma crane
warm plinth
Oh lol
prisma crane
hit that right before a void goes off
warm plinth
Just make your healer go WHAT THE FUCK
willow fractal
the 430 has BoM and brace for impact...445 has def crash or iron fort for outer and callous for inner
warm plinth
Lol, I think you choose who it goes on to so it's not really roulette
prisma crane
it just says an alli
warm plinth
What about the middle trait
willow fractal
same
warm plinth
Yeah but it says "If your target moves out of range" which implies you have to pick someone to use it on
prisma crane
yea i guess
willow fractal
id be using same middle...the 445 has a better inner
prisma crane
i'd use the 445
that uses up your DC requirement too
so you have more BoM freedom on the other pieces
warm plinth
I'd use the upgrade too
willow fractal
well right now my armor is perfect dang near
warm plinth
What's the generic trait on CR ring btw?
willow fractal
x3 bom x1 dc x1 brace x1 iron fort
shimmering haven vs unstable flames...which to choose?
no really i should say unstable flames vs shimmering haven vs elemental whirl for my inner ring...what would yall choose?
im thiniin ele whirl
modern brook
flames personally, but its between that and whirl
haven is meh
proc-based survivability isnt reliable, procbased movement restricted survivability isnt viable.
prisma crane
flames for the dmg
willow fractal
icy has ele whirl as A tier and flames B tier
prisma crane
those are for survivability purposes
prisma crane
more dmg is always good, but if you feel you're taking more damage than you'd like then go with probably the whirl
willow fractal
nah ima go with flames ...thanks for the info guys
prisma crane
yup yup
tender phoenix
When in a M+ when should you pop Avatar? Every pack you can with more then 1 or big packs?
still oar
anyone know if the benthic traits on the chest have BoM?
warm plinth
Basically on cooldown. If you're finishing up a pack and have a big pull coming up you can hold it for a few seconds, but it should pretty much be up for at least part of every pack
prisma crane
yea, i use it all the time unless i'm saving it for a specific moment or an encounter is just about to end so i have it for the next
to answer your question @still oar no
that's the benthic plate chest
still oar
@prisma crane you're a legend m8 thanks
prisma crane
np
prisma crane
seems only the shoulders have BoM
yea i went with the chest as well
there's only 2 chests that have BoM though which sucks
from residuum*
waxen urchin
Just wondering -- Briny Barnacle, is it considered good for M+ tanking?
prisma crane
it's not terrible for aoe dmg
and 6th for ST
btw, colors go: 400, 415, 430, 445 from orange to blue
waxen urchin
much appreciated
ivory dew
Quick question, What does 1 point of mastery give in block rating? I'm trying to crunch the effectiveness between brace for impact and bastion of might. They seem to be trying to do the same goal.
prisma crane
just know that BoM is better
ivory dew
I'm trying to work out mathmatically if its better to sacrifice rank 2 bastion to make room for rank 1 bastion
brace*
prisma crane
for surv?
lusty grotto
1 pt of mastery does not give block rating
warm plinth
They don't do the same thing though
ivory dew
both really, they're both attempting to smooth out a more consistent block rating with a dps increase tagged on
warm plinth
Brace gives block rating, which increases how much damage you reduce with a block. Mastery gives block chance
Not the same thing at all
ivory dew
Yeah thats what i'm comparing, the end goal is still the same, to increase block chance with dps bonuses, they're just approaching the same thing different
prisma crane
well one doesnt affect chance
lusty grotto
Rating is only via shields, bfi and IF like ghash says
warm plinth
Block rating doesn't increase block chance. It increases how much you block.
Like the amount
ivory dew
ah ok, i'm overlooking that point
prisma crane
and for damage you could sim the difference
warm plinth
^
ivory dew
Icy Veins, which i'm under the impression is our bible due to the discord essentially being run by them, claims that BFI is the way to go now
warm plinth
Keep in mind icy-veins is dedicated to survivability
prisma crane
and as such, also very raid oriented as well
lusty grotto
Marok wrote the icy veins guide, that's it
prisma crane
i'll put it this way BFI isn't bad at all, clearly
warm plinth
Yeah, not remotely run by them haha.
exotic spoke
Three BoM 1 DC and pick two is the typical starting point
prisma crane
but most people seek out BoM first then go from there, with of course hitting the single DC you need
terse dragon
Hey do you guys know if bloodsport stacks with the extra amount of Ignore pain?
lusty grotto
It does
exotic spoke
Also, time to start saving up for 445 chest... blahhhhh
terse dragon
Awsome thanks
exotic spoke
Grats nim. I rolled on chest again and failed
warm plinth
Nah you're fine man. I'm just busting your balls
My warrior somehow got a 445 Jes in his weekly cache from doing a +
+7*
lusty grotto
Good bracers though
warm plinth
Titanforge for days
lusty grotto
I just need helm for 445
exotic spoke
I guess it’s time to save up for a specific chest after looking st them.
I got 455 cloak though
exotic spoke
It’s 1/6 and I’ve failed two so far
ivory dew
critical! roll! critical! Roll!
lusty grotto
Well I suppose you have 445 helm and shoulders
warm plinth
I was hoping for a shield but
ivory dew
I think the big thing that I was overlooking is that block rating doesn't increase block chance anymore
lusty grotto
Stupid raiders
warm plinth
I was using a 395 tuskarr sea charm before
So I'm happy with it
Well, it used to be you had block rating, which determined chance, and then block value which determined amount
exotic spoke
I honestly only have 435 shoulders nim 😛 but I deemed it was worth it
warm plinth
Butt now the only block stat is rating, but it functions like old school value
lusty grotto
Wdf Riki smh
warm plinth
So I can understand the confusion
ivory dew
What are opinions on callous reprisal for raiding? That seems to be the biggest disagreement between wowhead and icy veins
I don't think I'd really pick it for raids
lusty grotto
I agree with icy veins in that wow head is crap
exotic spoke
Cause I have really good shoulders and the gain in Ilvl was minimal where as the gain in BOM was amazing potential
ivory dew
although in theory that's when the 1.5% would be at its most potent reducing the largest hits right?
warm plinth
well, yes and no
The damage reduction would be meaningful on large hits, but to maintain 3 stacks you'd probably end up using rage on Revenge
whereas in M+ you would just kind of keep it up incidentally due to all the free revenge procs
lusty grotto
Cr it depend on what you're comparing it to. On its own there's not much to say
ivory dew
fair point
lusty grotto
And what ghash said
warm plinth
Either way it's lackluster compared to its competition
Unless you have like arcane heart or some terrible shit like that as the other one (I think that's what it's called)
grave oyster
Just got a Merektha's Fang in my chest, it was a huge iLvl upgrade over my previous trinkets. Is it worth using? I know usually iLvl is king, but since its a channel on use, I'm not sure
oblique garnet
How big ilvl
grave oyster
20 iLvls up over my computation device (with the haste proc Red, and haste/mastery yellow), 30 ivls up over my highborne compendium
oblique garnet
id say use those
Merekthas Fang is pretty scuffed on warrior tank since it cant move too much with it
grave oyster
thank you!
wise monolith
is Quick Navigation the best wep enchant for prot?
oblique garnet
Use either Force Multiplier or Naga Hide
wise monolith
OK. Thanks!
analog zinc
How y'all handling that pack to the left in AD this week? I just wiped like 3 times on a 17 & we left
We couldn't pull both packs together
the first pack alone was 1 shotting people
lusty grotto
what was 1 shotting people specifically?
the charge?
the nukes from augurs maybe?
LMAO
did you guys know
that after turning in the trashmaster cloak
it can forge
430 cloak now lmao
vestal edge
so is 440 vial dogshit but still better than bandages?
vestal edge
so between 430 ashvane heal trink and those too ill do ashvane and vial?
lusty grotto
yup
vestal edge
two*
oblique garnet
hardly any scenarios where you want 2x defensive trinkets
vestal edge
Yeah ik its just what i had in 430 plus
nocturne raft
Hey guys , on almost all the logs I see , the prot war use Devastate , is that just for a DPS boost , or is it really interesting to use it ?
oblique garnet
its dps boost
west kayak
So I just completed the achievement Nautical Battlefield Training. Where do I go to get the rank 3 essence for Memory?
lusty grotto
nazjatar
the guys that usually give the call to arms
dont be like me and buy both at the same time
buy tank -> learn it in silithus
then go back
and the dps one will be lower in price
west kayak
I bought the tank one. Going to Sili
vestal edge
i would assume axe is better just for top end?
lusty grotto
sim it
sick sentinel
It’s all going to average out about the sameish
lusty grotto
pretty much
sick sentinel
I would take haste but hey, I am normally wrong
vestal edge
how does like over 150 more top end equal out to the .2 dps tho
vestal edge
oh true yikes
sick sentinel
But I would take haste
Yeah the hole damage numbers per weapon type being different is a lot of honky imho
hushed ember
I’m thinking of playing tank and am interested in warrior
What is the classes biggest pros and cons
And my other class of choice is paladin - how different is warrior
timber nest
is it ever worth dropping ilevel on azerite for undulating tides?
heavy belfry
callous reprisal or iron fortress, then dagger in the back or brace for impact, then lifespeed / gutripper / tradewinds
lusty grotto
@timber nest no
@heavy belfry check out the icy veins guide for this type of stuff on the azerite section
heavy belfry
I asked cause im lazy
lusty grotto
im lazier to respond
prisma crane
@hushed ember i've heard warrior is a lot of fun compared to other tanks, i only play warrior so i can't vouch, but we mitigate primarily by blocked and then by absorbs via IP. We have less external CDs than pallies, but have our own personals up all the time, they're practically rotational
we have good mobility and also stomp some large dmg numbers
also we're brown, so no one can ever find us on the damn map
heavy belfry
I play bdk/brm/protw and I like dk the most, but thats because i've played it the longest. IMO warrior is more fun than brm, and less than bdk
warrior has good utility for M+ aoe stun/fear if you talent it as a secondary aoe stun good aoe damage, good mitigation, and a leap/2charges
top tier tank for keys and raid afaik
carmine light
What weapon and shield should I be farming outside of raids. Like the mace from freehold? Also what trinkets?
heavy belfry
AD
hushed ember
Okay, awesome insight
I have heard warriors lacking a ranged silence really hurts them
lusty grotto
🤷
come get me @exotic spoke
gotem
it only shows when activating it
gotta check about the explotion thing
willow scarab
that's os lucky
i've been farming rep so hard to get specifically that rank 4
grats
lusty grotto
ty ty
i also got my last schematic from it heheh
probably gonna get bracers in chest forever now
my rng is out
inland mesa
455 shield off Radiance, let's go boys 😄
lusty grotto
nice nice gz!
inland mesa
now I can try for the m+ trinket nim :D!
lusty grotto
honestly id rather have a 455 shield than my trinkets 😦
im about to decimate some heroic logs
lusty grotto
its ok i gave my bounty up
exotic spoke
Dribbling inkpod good for dps
exotic spoke
honestly not sure if it is or isn't and dont have time to sim it
fierce forum
what is the best bis gear for keystone ?
lusty grotto
your highest ilvl
surreal plinth
Are we still gemming and enchanting for haste? After reading the resources guide I'm not quite sure it's up to date as icy veins says one thing and the spreadsheets say another
surreal plinth
Thanks, i had been stacking Vers while under geared. Icy says quick nav for weapon but I've been seeing a lot of people with force multiplier. Is naga hide not worth it once fairly geared?
fierce forum
and wat should i do for trinket ?
lusty grotto
force multi and quick nav are the go-tos
surreal plinth
Thanks Nim
fierce forum
force multi is best choise ?
lusty grotto
read the icy veins guide @fierce forum
left hatch
didn't they patch seige so that you only get 1 demo per platform?
wispy plume
negative that was a bug
left hatch
aww darn
willow scarab
According to sim you don't want 80str gem only 120str
stone magnet
i have a question and not sure if its been answered before or not.. but tanking on H Za'qul - phase 4 should i be going into the fear realm or staying up top ? currently been staying up top and not personally able to see the maddening eruption
lusty grotto
iirc eruption debuff doesn't work for up top dps
just the people inside
so technically its not necessary
but if you feel you need the dps you might as well
stone magnet
i need to get the boss into it or it blows up the raid
not for dps increase purposes
also not sure we're thinking of the same mechanic, but thank you
lusty grotto
we are
he doesn't blow anyone up, nobody should be in fear realm when it goes off
people can hop in and out easily
after you put him in he takes more damage, you didn't know this?
hasty nova
i just don't know how
to get my
parse up
i feel like i'm doing really well
but sigh i wish i could do better
merry cave
Just wondering (can't Sim at work) is reckless flurry or BfI stronger st for pure dps?
tawny maple
Welp no Inkpods or Coral but I got Edict tonight FeelsBadMan
junior ivy
whats a website or sometrhing i can use to quickly upload a file for someone esle to download?
cant send it on discord cause its over 8mb
@warm plinth
tawny maple
@junior ivy email it to them duh
lethal plaza
Can i skip buying rank 2 of nullification and just get rank 3 ?
or will i need to farm up the r2 and r3 mats
orchid token
@hasty nova you aren't stacking enough passive flat damage sources
parsing as a tank this tier is about getting as many random damage sources as possible
you should be using crucible major and null barrier r3 minor, not vision and lucid
you should be using two unbridled pots, not one
you should have cyclotronic blast
lastly you miss a lot of potential ability casts whether by having downtime away from boss or just not pressing buttons
lusty grotto
you cant skip r2 @lethal plaza
orchid token
your thunderclaps are at 15 per minute and should be at more like 19-20
you had the same # of thunderclaps as one of the top ranked logs which was a 2:12 fight to your almost 3min one
lethal plaza
damn...thx nim
orchid token
thats just looking at heroic sivara since it's a fight where your downtime should be essentially zero
you're certainly not going to get good dps parses wasting a trinket slot on a diamond prism
nevermind that that trinket sucks for raiding as it is
bold dock
which should i go with for raiding, callous reprisal or blightborne infusion?
wide slate
are prot sims for cyclonic blast punchcard accurate?
spice ferry
Why wouldn’t they be
lusty grotto
for ST? yes
queen solstice
just a quick question yall, what you essences you guys runnin for mythic+s
lusty grotto
it hits hard as fuck, why wouldn't it be good
queen solstice
been just ucing Vision/Lucid
lusty grotto
vision + lucid
queen solstice
no ones using Anima?
lusty grotto
and changing lucid with null on certain dungeons
orchid token
anima sucks
orchid token
the major is decent at best and does not make up for the fact that the minor sucks so much you're essentially wasting an entire minor slot
lusty grotto
it might be a good pick but it depends on what you need
queen solstice
gotcha
sick sentinel
here's some hp. but the hp goes away when you are low on hp 
orchid token
if you could freely pick all your minor slots i think anima major would gain a bit of value
being forced into the accompanying minor for your major limits the major choices a lot
since you have to consider total value of major + minor and not just the major
lusty grotto
im honestly considering anima major + vop + lucid after 65
merry cave
The only dungeon I wouldn't run vision major is kr
orchid token
idk you're stil lwasting one of your three minor slots
lusty grotto
but we'll see
orchid token
you'd be better off with vop major lucid minor crucible minor
sick sentinel
cns major vop cof minors 
queen solstice
what would you run for KR then?
orchid token
solid passive vers, hell of a lot better than wasting a minor slot on some hp
lusty grotto
yeah cof too
orchid token
there's way too many useful minor slots to waste one with anima and the major isn't good enough to make up for it
if anima major was 1min CD and nothing else changed i think it'd be worth using despite the minor
or if you didnt have to take the minor along with it
but as it is it's just not wroth having
warm plinth
It would be cool actually if the first slot weren't tied together. So you could have 3 minors that aren't the major
orchid token
only gotta get 1 visions proc on a big pull and you've already gotten more bonus TC damage than an anima is worth
lusty grotto
here's the thing though
anima minor interacts well with its major
since its more hp
orchid token
idk the real problem here is you've all picked the wrong shield tank so you're really just fighting from a losing beginning point
wide slate
could always go CoF major/vision minor for max ST dps
lusty grotto
its honestly the only good reason why they're paired together, otherwise its a piece of shit
orchid token
the max ST DPS is nearly always going to be COF major null minor
lusty grotto
i mean
orchid token
there arent many situations you can't proc it on CD if you really try
wide slate
not according to my sims
orchid token
you wouldn't, so you'd have vision regardless since you'd take it as the major
lusty grotto
even then
wide slate
didnt know this was about m+
orchid token
no way can anima major compete with vision major even for burst damage on a big pull, let alone sustained overall
it doesn't even beat vision major for paladin, and wings is a lot weaker than avatar for AOE DPS
lusty grotto
that's easy enough to sim
if i was 65
i suppose i could edit my input
dont underestimate anima major
its a fuckload of damage
merry cave
Unless your hitting legion points where you are required to kite which could push anima ahead. Although I'm not at anywhere near that level
merry cave
Never said you were
orchid token
the idea being that if you're not in melee range
warm plinth
I think he meant because vision would lose value if you were kiting since you might waste a proc
orchid token
vision major is losing value
lusty grotto
you know how i feel about leech-types
merry cave
If keys hit the point where facetanking is not the viable method then anima will pull ahead
But we're not at that point yet
wide slate
yeah i joined the conversation late and didnt know this was M+ related so disregard anything i said lol
orchid token
it wasnt necessary M+ related
lusty grotto
i dont understand what kiting has to do with anima at all
queen solstice
yall the best
lusty grotto
its a pbaoe
warm plinth
If you get an Avatar proc and you're not able to hit the mobs
lusty grotto
you dont target it
orchid token
its pretty basic
warm plinth
Then it was a wasted proc
lusty grotto
i mean you still have to be pretty close to hit with anima
warm plinth
I mean, that's not true though
orchid token
yes
that's not the point though nim
has nothing to do with the actual use of anima
it's basic CD management, anything with a long cooldown gains value in any situation that has significant downtime
lusty grotto
im confused
warm plinth
You can use anima before you kite and have it recharge while you're kiting
So you're not wasting it
orchid token
because the cooldown keeps ticking while you're kiting
lusty grotto
realistically speaking you won't kite for 2 mins
orchid token
you won't
but you don't need to kite for 2mins
for it to gain value from kiting
idk why you're saying that
warm plinth
No, but if you get an Avatar proc while you're kiting for 7 seconds, you just wasted an Avatar proc, which means Visions did basically nothing for you during that time
While Anima is recharging for its next use
orchid token
the thing about any CD ability is that while it's on cooldown you're essentially getting 0 value out of it, but if that 0 value time coincides with a time you'd be doing nothing anyway, ie kiting, you're lesenming the negative impact
ok so i stand corrected about paladin sims
on dungeon slice anima major pulls 250 dps ahead of vision major
but that definitely means vision beats it for prot warrior
since avatar is worth a lot more than wings
warm plinth
Yeah
warm plinth
In ST? Can't imagine crucible winning over Vision on AoE
orchid token
crucible major + null r3 is simming at 40k dungeon slice while anima major with null sims at 38.2 and vop major with null sims at 38.1
warm plinth
Interesting
orchid token
so idk how much extra DPS a visions proci s worth for you than paladin
it'd be more
but enough to overcome a 2k sim idk
warm plinth
Oh you were talking about paladin there?
warm plinth
Gotcha
orchid token
one of you has to do a proper warrior sim
i was just doing my best to add context since we know vop has less value for paladin
arguably crucible has more since seraphim buffs it
so maybe that closes the gap
but the value of null as a minor should be roughly equal for both classes and it's 1k ahead of any other minor
merry cave
Crys how many nul breaks does it assume? Is the Sim assuming you get the full damage every 15 secs?
warm plinth
Yeah I would be surprised if Null was somehow not in the same place for us
lusty grotto
it's not really that close to what we do on keys
warm plinth
The DPS itself doesn't have to be accurate for it to be useful as a comparison tool though
lusty grotto
that's why i go the good ole 10 patchwerk route
its interesting because dungeon slice should be the go-to for M+
but it seems its designed as a standard dungeon
unless they have updated it, i should check
or maybe mwahi can correct me on that one
orchid token
as far as I knew dungeon slice does 3 6-7 mob packs one after the other
then a 3min boss fight
maybe 2min
lusty grotto
right
orchid token
problem with simming 10 patchwerks is it won't accurately weight boss DPS into the equation
and bosses are still a significant part of dungeons
you spend at least a third of your dungeon timer fighting bosses on tyrannical, maybe a quarter on fortified
lusty grotto
yes but you cant just generally assume that it will apply to every week, fort and tyrannical are factors
orchid token
probably closer to half on tyrannical actually
lusty grotto
yeah i'd take that
orchid token
so you can either sim patchwerk and 8-10 patchwerks and average it out to weight half equally
or just use dungeon slice as the best approximation
it's a good tool
it's not accurate for a 10 mob pull but it's not trying to be, it's trying to weight boss DPS and AOE DPS together which is why it heavily values things like crucible major since they are decent in AOE and BIS for ST
marble oak
Question, I have a 455 jes, 450 fang and a 455 Block
for tank
should I go jes and block?
atm I was running Jes and 430 urchin for high m+
lusty grotto
sure
warm plinth
...
marble oak
urchin for suvivability
warm plinth
Let me get some of your RNG bro
marble oak
but the strength also gives survivability and dps
spice ferry
Wtf is that tf luck
lusty grotto
heh and i thought i had good trinkets
shit im retarded
gemmed some pants i just got
marble oak
lol
lusty grotto
and just noticed i finished the stupid crafting quest
440 pants here we go
(and belt)
huff huff lets go crit haste
fuck!
oh hell no
gonna have to farm me some more ore
fuck versa mastery
hmm i suppose i could use them for pvp
shit my expulsom 😢
y u do this blizz
warm plinth
Literally brought my ilevel up by 3 😅 😭
sick sentinel
Do sims taunt swap for tanks
warm plinth
No
lusty grotto
why would you want that
sick sentinel
So iron fortress sims roughly twice the value it should in raids
Unless its a two boss fight
lusty grotto
i mean
IF isn't really a "damage" trait
it has that damage shield thing but
its low enough that its not considered for it
lusty grotto
i mean it's more damage than DC yes
dont need to sim to figure that one out
but yes i suppose you're right
since you're not tanking all the time
DC should be higher
and since you're not spamming revenge, CR would fall lower too
my biggest peeve in making macros and gear sets: looking for class icons
goddamn i fucking hate it
lusty grotto
where the fuck is the shield slam icon
warm plinth
...
lusty grotto
fuck it ill just put the tclap one
warm plinth
Why don't you just do #showtooltip Shield Slam
orchid token
you cant do that for gearsets
lusty grotto
cause you can't do that for gear sets
warm plinth
Oh, you said "macros and gear sets". I assumed you meant them separately
orchid token
actually no they are all ?s right now
sick sentinel
My fury gearset has the enrage icon
orchid token
lusty grotto
i actually found the mortal strike icon for arms
i have decided to never erase that gear set
hey guys lets just put the tclap icon next to some other random class ones
wait what
warm plinth
There ya go
lusty grotto
there are 2 tclap icons
what the fuck is this sorcery
uhh... one has a green hand?
warm plinth
Different color isn't it?
warm plinth
Yeah
warm plinth
Go all the way to the bottom
And click the up arrow 24 times
It'll be in the 2nd to last row, 2nd icon in
from the left
lusty grotto
now can you find the devastate one?
warm plinth
Sure.
lusty grotto
i legit must be blind
warm plinth
Also someone told me about an addon that gives you a search bar for this
Called LargerMacroIconSelection
lusty grotto
cheater
lusty grotto
i see
stable gazelle
do you guys think its worth taking any Blood Sport traits for M+
warm plinth
Where was it?
lusty grotto
its way up there
warm plinth
God damnit, I knew I was gonna regret starting from the bottom
Look how far I got though
lusty grotto
why in the fuck is it so up there
dear blizz put class abilities grouped by class pls thx
warm plinth
Who knows
ionic fern
👌
lusty grotto
im not really 100% convinced on it accurately modeling a key run
i guess it does get close
warm plinth
In case you were wondering, I was only 6 pages away from it when you found it lol
ionic fern
It's too time consuming to actually make a m+ sim for the reward it would bring since you got so many variables. All the enemies in DS also die exactly at the same time atm
ionic fern
For what? Simming m+?
lusty grotto
yeah
ionic fern
I don't really sim m+ tbh.😂
lusty grotto
heh
i suppose i could try it out to see what changes on my end
from 10 patchwerks to dungeon slice idk
btw zaqul can't be single tanked anymore
heads up
on any difficulty
waxen cradle
How does Azerite Glob rank for damage for us versus Blood Siphon or Carapace, I would assume Azerite Glob if just going for most damage ?
waxen cradle
ah ok
lusty grotto
you could sim
waxen cradle
I mean I know Blood Siphon is more mastery and leech and Crystalline Cara is armor and straight damage, was just wondering how overall the damage stacked against each other. So yeah I think I will sim
sharp plank
thoughts on using Naga Hide with Prot?
exotic spoke
Doesn't proc enough. Quick nav or force multiplier if you want dps
waxen cradle
I assume the idea is still Force Mult for more damage and Quick Nav for Survivability
Still not 100% sure which I want to run I have tried both and its a tough call because when the buff from Quick Nav fully stacks thats a damn ton of haste but the haste from Force is pretty damn nice too
spice ferry
Realistically you’re probably never going to be able to actually tell the difference between either for surv, so take whatever sims higher
true plover
Bloodthirsty urchin vs Edicts for M+ should I use one or the other or both and then just whichever sims highest?
brittle owl
they both do roughly the same thing, except edicts is not as consistent, but i guess you can game it
tbh i'd just try getting different trinkets, but i would use edicts and try to game it
if i didn't have anything else
not sure trying to game edicts is worthwhile either, but could be cool i guess, esp for the magic dmg bit
true plover
Are either of those two defensively on the level of prism from last tier or are not so much?
brittle owl
'level of prism' isn't saying much,but urchin and prism do roughly the same thing, i.e. trickle heal. edicts doesn't have their consistency, since it's once every 40ish(?) seconds
if you value the smoothing of prism go urchin
true plover
Yea I don't have too many M+ choices right now. 410 pocket comp, 430 font of power/urchin/chain of suffering/edicts(socketed).
brittle owl
honestly i'd use font of power and cyclo but you do you
tropic star
How do you use razor Coral
Every 20 secs or put it up then use again with Avatar? Reapply ASAP and always pop with Avatar?
sick sentinel
@spice ferry force undersims
brittle owl
that's how you should use it @tropic star , pop the crit with avatar
depends on the fight though as well
on radiance, for instance , for max beef dps you want to pop the crit every addphase
waxen cradle
Any advice you guys when idiots in M+ keys pop all of there burst CD's on pull of every 4 to 5 mob pull pack and wonder why they get aggro on Skittish weeks ?
brittle owl
let them die
"I think we all learned a valuable lesson in DPS today i think"
waxen cradle
Also when they don't interrupt, don't LOS Voids and don't use stuns at all ?
sick sentinel
When you're about to list up to a key, look at the leader's score
The group's average score well be around there
brittle owl
^ don't be like me, thinking you can hardcarry a +10 of shitters, cause you can, but you'll hate yourself and probably shave off a few days of your life expectancy due to anger
void berry
^ Easy solution. Be the shitter.
waxen cradle
Are VoP and Lucid still considered best for M+ ?
waxen cradle
VoP I can see of course cause of Avatar but Lucid seems iffy
sick sentinel
The rage refund is good because it accelerates cds, the heal can be good and the vers has a 33% uptime on average
It does 3 things at mediocre power
autumn pendant
Which one are you running for minor slot
sick sentinel
Vop major lucid minor
round vortex
Quick question. BFI or BoM. I already have 2 BoM and this would be my only BFI. I am leaning towards BFI but keen to hear anyone say which?
marble cipher
BoM for M+ I'd say, BfI is a very good trait, but, 3xBoM is lovely
For raids, BfI might be better, don't know, don't raid
round vortex
Yeah im going BFI anyway its ALWAYS up.
BoM is tasty and at least I have the option for 3 for some tasty DPS
unborn island
BoM for m+ IMO, given mastery levels and how much avatar is up it's basically an immunity against physical attacks with 3 of them
And the tasty bootyclap damage
crimson furnace
i play super deffensive in raids and in M+ and people are commenting on the overall dmg saying that sarcastic things like : ohh, blizz nerfed prot warriors
doing 15+ keys
really feeling good as a tank
ionic fern
I mean..there's one build for prot warrior - if you press your buttons correctly and have atleast like 2xBoM for m+ you'll do big boy DPS anyways. 😄
crimson furnace
yhea, 32 minute dungeon, AVATAR was up 67% of the time
they call me mister STONE
:))))
cuz im big and grey all the time
#dwarflife
round vortex
I’m talking raids for context sorry lol
strong forum
Tfw you don't have single bom :pepehands:
sick sentinel
imagine
not using 420 shoulders because they do more dps than mythic behemoth shoulders
zenith thistle
When you avatar in st do you prio thunderclap over shield slam?
sick sentinel
at over 4 targets or so
strong forum
Well behemoth shoulders are only okay-ish and and purely defensive
I have cthraxxi with RF + swirling sand + op, so it's not half bad
sick sentinel
rf 🤢
whole sapphire
brace for impact can be stacked or? i mean the trait itself
oblique garnet
yes
void berry
They're not purely defensive, you can go with reckless flurry for raid.
rapid tide
Great. I love my weekly chest giving me "choices".
440 Ring, 340 Crit + 189 Vers = 529 secondaries
vs
415 Ring, 388 Haste + 97 Mastery + 50 Haste (Socket) = 530 secondaries.
First ring has a good chunk more Stam though obvsly (132).
I would keep current one, anyone has an opinion on that? Would be greatly appreciated...
whole sapphire
so if i have the choice between two brace and two fortress
pick two brace for dps?
sick sentinel
.............................
I changed a ring and I am at 1100 haste no stop complaining
sick sentinel
you go over 100% anyway with procs
rapid tide
Ah ye 😄 And Crit is nice I guess.
If that Vers was Haste though I would definitely be happier. BUt fine by me 😃
Thanks for chiming in Kaege and may the Gods of Haste be more in your favor again 😭
cyan needle
Atm my haste is severely lacking (985/14%) but the game is giving me better ilvl upgrades 😑
sick sentinel
keep on spamming mplus
eventually you're gonna get haste stuff
the thing about me being at around 1150 haste is that I have all the haste procs in the world minus quick nav
rapid tide
Ye, I still have a good chunk of 430 pieces from m+ basically.
sick sentinel
double MS, rezans, eng helm, op
something is up all the time
it's rare to not having a proc up
rapid tide
I run the 1.2k punchcard and 2x op only for Haste procs though.
sick sentinel
ms is 40% uptime, rezans is 25%, eng helm is 10% on the haste buff and let's not talk about op
cyan needle
@sick sentinel nice
rapid tide
MS? 🤔
sick sentinel
scheeming
rapid tide
AH, scheming.
sick sentinel
I run 2bom 2ms, dc, rng
sick sentinel
they are INSANE for prot
it was good when it was 20%uptime
now they are 40%
and they are
rapid tide
Mhm
sick sentinel
absolutely fucking crazy
sick sentinel
that's bis
rapid tide
whoops.
sick sentinel
literally just bis
rapid tide
tfw I didn't notice
oblique garnet
for m+
sick sentinel
it sims higher than RF for single target
oblique garnet
Wdym raid tanking is love raid tanking is life
oblique garnet
What
rapid tide
Raid tanking can probably be enjoyable.
oblique garnet
yeah but he has bfi
oblique garnet
Are you even reading kage
sick sentinel
yes but rf>bfi for dps in st
rapid tide
WHY DID I NEVER SIM THAT
oblique garnet
yeah but bfi > rf or ms in terms of defensive value in raids
sick sentinel
do you ever die to blockable damage in raids?
unblockable shit is what destroys
unless if you are tanking gongozola
but that's an exception
rapid tide
I can probably proc Meticolous without payign attention to it, or?
sick sentinel
yes but use the weak aura if you're a gamer
oblique garnet
yeah but kage do you know what feels real nice
rapid tide
I track it anyways.
oblique garnet
When first melee from gorgonzola is 8k through block
rapid tide
It was more about "activating" it 😄
sick sentinel
I have a weak aura to track when it procs, what spells I have pressed since it procced and how long the haste uptime is up[
because it can proc while you are exiting combat and you can proc it at 1 sec left with berserker rage/spell reflect/ip/charge to ally or something
and achieve higher uptime
rapid tide
That should work now 😃
rapid tide
Is that a public WA, Kaege? Would definitely at least try using that 😃
Also thanks
😃
sick sentinel
it's a public weak aura that I modified
it doesn't track the buff's uptime
it's like half a min to put it in yourself
marble cipher
@rapid tide What azerite pieces give you that trait combo?
rapid tide
HM Mecha helmet, Kraken Shell, Ashvane Warden's
marble cipher
only one raid piece, good, good 😄
rapid tide
Kaege, could you link me the wago via dm or sth? Would be greatly appreciated.
No raid piece
The helmet is Mecha, the other are m+
marble cipher
Oh, thought Ashvane Warden's would be from .... Ashvane 😉
rapid tide
Nah nah 😄
sick sentinel
we got the same chest
marble cipher
Even better then
rapid tide
I don't even raid 😃
sick sentinel
I want the shoulders
marble cipher
got the shoullders, but, at 420 still
sick sentinel
I am at work rn @rapid tide
marble cipher
😦
rapid tide
Oh, okay! 😃
rapid tide
I think I found it though already.
rapid tide
"Shows you current duration as well as first 2 abilities [...]"
That sounds kinda like it.
tfw it uses old Aura triggers though 😄
uff.
that wa is... unclean.
Why does it use globals only 🤔
sick sentinel
pots count, berserker rage counts, spell reflect, charge, leap, ip
all work
you can liteally proc it during a gcd
rapid tide
Oh ye, I know. I was talking about the Lua variables in the WA Code.
Sorry 😄 Wrong channel for that kind of problem 😃
signal crest
does the shield from undulating get bigger with more traits?
tough vault
I tried tides for the lulz; the lack of uptime really isn't worth the supposed damage output.
zealous crest
sick sentinel
no it has been buffed for a long time
sick sentinel
you don't even game your force multiplier I bet
(ofc you don't, you can't without having bom)
undone sun
hmmm
molten rivet
should prot warriors also go 4 bethic pieces or ?
cant really find any info on it
bracers, gloves, belt and boost?
strong forum
No
If anyone is seriously telling you to use 4 benthic pieces, he has no idea about tanking
molten rivet
i have boost atm in 425, but dno if i should go for the others
they aint, im just asking
since all dps is talking about is benthic
molten rivet
i have 455 bracers, dont really wanna swap them out that badly for a 425 😄
strong forum
It would only be somewhat useful for parsing, not for tanking
molten rivet
well, dps matters also for tanks tbh on the tight enrange fights
molten rivet
and lets say i have all 4 bis socket, what would i push then 31k or is it more like 35k ?
in theory
strong forum
If you need to go beyond that idk fam, shit guild
Haven't seen anyone higher than 33k Sims
molten rivet
no one is forcing me, im still just asking :p
sick sentinel
the only sim I have seen over 31k was the fucking CURSED HR sim
33k
absolutely disgusting
strong forum
Ah ye
Fumei was 31.3k a couple weeks back
I'm close to 30k without benthic
But yeah, pushing tank dmg doesn't need benthic by any means. It's way too little compared to dps players
sick sentinel
not fume
oblique garnet
but it was close
sick sentinel
glick
undone sun
🤢
sick sentinel
@undone sun whispers incarn
molten rivet
your not using boots @strong forum ?
strong forum
I'm using 0
undone sun
🙄
strong forum
Benthic
tough vault
Hello weekly chest
sick sentinel
nice
tough vault
Been saying a prayer to the old gods every week