Well you can't do Mecha on HM unless you did the rest of the dungeon on hard mode
#protection
warm plinth
But I imagine if you got into a group that just had HM Mecha in there, everything would drop like it should
stable gazelle
you guys running focusing iris or lucid for minor
wispy plume
gotcha @warm plinth
warm plinth
@stable gazelle You can't run Focusing Iris on a prot warrior 🤔
unkempt palm
Servant Splitter - Item - World of Warcraft
https://www.wowhead.com/item=159660/servant-splitter
Anyone use this? 430ilvl. I just picked up a good one hand alreadh. Just wanted to see the thoughts on this and its dps output vs a similar ilvl with haste and mastery
Already*
warm plinth
If your other weapon is the exact same ilevel, use splitter on ST for DPS, the other for survival or in anything beyond single target.
unkempt palm
Ok I mainly run m+ with pugs. I’m better off with my currently equipped with haste and mastery. Thanks
warm plinth
👍
unkempt palm
I may try out the splitter for shits and giggles and see the uptime of the dot
warm plinth
It's one of our best weapons for ST DPS
stable gazelle
what do you guys think of these azerite traits https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hFajSEMdN3VM5aWfAoQE59
warm plinth
They look fine
stable gazelle
ty
distant crystal
fervent nexus
that's a lot of bubbles
willow scarab
@stable gazelle what are you aiming for? big boss dps? big m+ dps?
stable gazelle
M+
willow scarab
then you're perfect
warm plinth
Calm down Fum you're gonna make the man blush
sick sentinel
how was the damage from null barrier if youre running rank 3 @distant crystal
olive lotus
Best azerite gear to roll for?
warm plinth
There are no shield enchants. For weapon, you can use quick navigation or force multiplier.
unborn cloud
which one do you use?
sick sentinel
quick navig is the safest way to go, good defensive and dps enchant
warm plinth
Force is still solid from a defensive standpoint since it's up all the time. And it's the better DPS enchant.
I use quick nav only because it's cheaper on my server and my weapon is only 395 so it's not worth spending the extra money
unborn cloud
mine is only 415 so i just put nav on
torn knoll
What about the naga hide one?
undone sun
Nope
sick sentinel
its pretty bad
torn knoll
Why the hell does nerf use it in mythic plus then I'm confused
undone sun
🐒
sick sentinel
youll probably midigate more damage by having more haste
torn knoll
True and more haste means more TC and SB/IP
orchid token
nerf does a lot of things that are objectively not good things
he is a poster child for the idea that gear choices matter very little
you can have all the wrong ideas about gear and traits and if you press your buttons properly in combat it won'tm atter
mighty quartz
@distant crystal what on earth is edict of the myrmidon? the only info on wowhead is really cryptic
orchid token
thats the magic only setting for the edicts trinket i believe
tacit smelt
Is everyone doing ML death run skips this week, havent touched it this week
sick sentinel
@tacit smelt people are always doing death runs in ML, its always worth it
tacit smelt
no no dont misunderstand me, its the more viable option this week, i gto a 17 sitting in my bags and i just dont have the zeal for it atm
i usually mix it up between zerg through and death skips
sick sentinel
ah i see
obtuse venture
ok so a 445 belt dropped for me with 90 crit 130 mas vs current 425 belt with 150 crit 60 vers + socket
undone sun
without a doubt 445
obtuse venture
ok great. thanks.
torn knoll
If I'm not mistaken sockets are only about an unofficial increase of t ilvls
5*
Could be wrong tho
obtuse venture
i thought they were worth more on belts/wrists/rings etc
but ill take an upgrade anyday
undone sun
rings, yes
night oxide
why is nerfclap running all mastery on his MDI character?
modern brook
@nerfclap
ionic fern
Wat
night oxide
unless his overlay is wrong on his stream the man is running a ton of mastery and like 6% verse
ionic fern
That sounds like a big yikes to me.
sick sentinel
He's running a lot of haste and crit
ionic fern
That makes more sense.
sick sentinel
His ton of mastery is from BoM
Yeah when you see him hit like 70-80% mastery that's BoM
ionic fern
My first thought was they are again re-inventing the wheel like they thought they did with Leech/siphoning in the previous MDI. 😂
rapid tide
He's running ~30% crit, really low Mastery/Vers and 3 BoM 3 DC.
And like 25% Haste iirc.
Meanwhile I had my happy moment of the month 😃
Almost at 2.5k base Haste 😛
ionic fern
There we go - those stats/traits make sense.
rapid tide
Mhm. Do I want to run 430 Inkpod or 430 Gore-Crusted? Only at 17% Crit which feels really low.
Or try to grab a 430+ Razor Coral even?
(dps, m+)
I kinda can't decide, Inkpod is nice and goes for ~4% overall atm... but not sure if my low crit would be better with Gore.
rapid tide
Mhm.
brittle owl
or if you want some ST for emmisaries
but iunno if it's worthwhile
can just run a cyclo for that
rapid tide
On Slice, ST and 2 Target the Inkpod sims ~1.5% higher, on a 5 Target No BL/no Pot sim the Gore is roughly equal...
Inkpod definitely sims really well for me.
And I've been running it for most of the time.
Ah, I guess it sims best it's gonna be the best option 🤷
brittle owl
idk, i wouldn't use it in m+, since on 2 affixes it can actually be a hindrance (bursting/bolstering)
and the better you pull, the worse itll be
void berry
And I'm sitting here with alchi stone and Cyclotronic.
brittle owl
also why would you sim with no pot?
ionic fern
Remember that Slice does try to replicate m+ scenarios but it's still limited in doing so.
brittle owl
yeah, it can be misleading
rapid tide
Oh ye, that's why I try to sim 1-2-5 target sims.
To get a rooooough idea of scaling.
mint imp
slice is still in beta though
sick sentinel
THEY didn't run leech in the last MDI only Glick did.
rapid tide
Ye. On 4 Gore is equal, on 8 it pulls ahead, on 10 it's ahead by ~1%.
brittle owl
it'll always be in beta, you cant accurately sim m+
ionic fern
iirc slice is..140s single target
and then the rest of the time it alternates between either 4-6 enemies and 1-3 enemies with no downtime.
rapid tide
I think I will go with Gore. Feels more appropriate at only 17% base crit, too.
brittle owl
your base crit isn't relevant, there's no such thing as enough stats. i would look at it this way: if for some reason you want priority single target(your group lacks it or you have enough aoe as it is), take inkpod. If you want something to help with big pulls, take gore
they're both consistent, but inkpod get worse the shorter the fight length is
rapid tide
Oh, I know that but at comparably low crit the value of a crit proc is higher compared to a higher crit base.
It's a linear scaling on it so the % impact is simply higher with low base.
Which makes me lean towards Gore more than when I had 35% already.
It's obvsly a bit of feelycraft but ye, I don't feel like we need more priority damage in our current setup, mostly running with an Assa these days so we got that figured out imho.
brittle owl
inkpod would defo be nice in KR though
rapid tide
It might work quite well in Shrine, too I guess.
rapid tide
Mostly depends on how many minibosses you do I guess. But generally we don't pull more than 4-5 mobs there in one go.
brittle owl
it might edge out then
rapid tide
Ye, we do both minibosses in the beginning because... reasons.
We are not exactly MDI level 😉
brittle owl
skipping the minibosses isn't exactly mdi skill level doe
:D
but to each group their own
rapid tide
Oh trust me, for a lot of people I play with that's already vastly advanced.
I saw the skip on the Matron etc. before backyard boss in WM by Nerf/JB yday.
That was one sick skip.
While we're at skips alrdy 😄
ionic fern
Tbh we're doing the first miniboss as well - we do a big lust pull at the start and then before going 1st boss we just killed the miniboss while pulling more trash onto her from next rooms. 😂
rapid tide
They had a Bolstering Key 😄
brittle owl
eh rip
rapid tide
That was mostly because they only pulled the Tides + Boss.
It was quite sick, they pulled pack to the right with healer/dps, nerf went in, sneaky pulled boss, pulled it along the side, dps/healer shadowmended th epack off it reset
And they did the boss in the courtyard.
I had no idea that worked 😄
brittle owl
that's a cool one
depends on affixes
this week i just pull the whole courtyard
😂
rapid tide
https://clips.twitch.tv/JollySmallChoughDBstyle
that's their pull btw.
(I think that was the failed one too where they got 1 add 😄 )
mint imp
Guys, what enchant for M+ naga hide vs force multiplier? and which food haste vs main stat vs crit?
bold linden
@mint imp afaik you never ever enchant naga hide
you enchant quick navigation for dps/survivability OR forcem ultiplier for dps
we have enough armor and dont need more 😃
mint imp
Look at nerftank or other top M+ prot warriors, they all have naga hide 😄
ionic fern
💩
bold linden
wow ok ^^ as i asked a while ago i was told the above 😄
undone sun
i mean...
he's not exactly the gold standard for gearing
just because he does it doesn't mean you should
what was stated is correct
re: you enchant quick navigation for dps/survivability OR forcem ultiplier for dps
mint imp
I actualy looked at top 5 and they all had naga hide, but ok thanks for answer
sick sentinel
Well those same tanks wee enchanting Siphoning in s2
Doesn't mean they know what they are doing
ionic fern
😂
sick sentinel
And then you disregard it
stuck crown
@bold linden Trust me naga hide sucks.
I tried it
It adds almost 0 to survaviability other than the stats
ionic fern
Pretty sure every credible source on this discord will tell you to go Quick navi or Force multiplier.
sick sentinel
Just because somebody knows how to play the game doesn't mean he knows how to gear
mint imp
I doesnt disregard, i said thanks for answer thats it
bold linden
@mint imp i prefer to believe these guys here or the icy veins/wowhead authored from the theorycrafters here than some mdi players xD
sick sentinel
Also, this season mplus scene is dead lmao, next to nobody is pushing relevant keys lmao
stuck crown
But hey, there is an important lesson here. Being a better player is much more important than being the best at min/maxing
ionic fern
I'll get r1 in m+ and start running Ravager. Have fun answering all the questions guys.
undone sun
🤣
mint imp
well ok if its only r1 player but all top 5?
undone sun
stuck crown
^
sick sentinel
Naga hide gives you numbers in the hps meters
That's the thing
They like their meters
stuck crown
It doesn't even do that really though.
I mean I guess it does a little -
From a simple 11 key before I stopped using it
sick sentinel
Even if naga hide and force were designed the be on par with each other
Since force gives you more stats that it's supposed to
There's no reason not to use it
Personally I wouldn't use anything else other than force until it gets fixed
stuck crown
Thank you. I don't get that hover text.
scenic ore
Hi all, so i got a 430 brint barnacle last night and it seems to sim alright but whats everyones experience been with it. Been using a 440 rezans and 400 diamond prism for raiding and mythic+ so far.
sick sentinel
you can use it over the diamond if you want more ST damage
in AoE it's scetchy
also 30 ilvls of pure str should be alright
that being said, I haven't actually used it in mplus so wait until somebody who has used it voices their opinion
clever orchid
barnacle numbers for my dk a few months ago never broke 1.5% for a full instance, unless it got hotfixed you would be using it purely for STR
sick sentinel
@clever orchid "a few months ago" is completely irrelevant
because all the trinkets that have damage procs got buffed
and they scale a lot better with ilvl now
clever orchid
shit trnkets will be shit, like the agi one from AD is still doing nothing at 440
modest wedge
my 2 cents are that every trinket that does pure damage is for trash bin. I'd rather take trinket that gives me stats and through that it gives me damage, because stats also boosts other things other than damage. pure damage is just pure damage
like underrot trinket
clever orchid
whatever scaling changed happened its not suddenly gonna turn into a miracle
sick sentinel
do you realise that barnacle is one of the best ST trinkets rn?
and stuff like cannonball runner from tol dagor for agi is a good mplus trinket now
clever orchid
what lol
clever orchid
no the numbers are trash i did the math, but that aside cannonball can also never be good because it hits a pre-set trajectory and therefore can be dodged
trash bin instantly
clever orchid
well i guess if you enjoy having to actively position things into a trinket proc
bold linden
quick question: are the us realms alrdy up ? whats the new affix rotation ?
undone sun
still 5 hours till NA reset
bold linden
ah thank you thats the reason i cant fin anything on the web 😃
sick sentinel
@bold linden every week the new affix combo is posted into #news the moment it goes live
bold linden
@pale canopy didnt know that thanks a lot!
sick sentinel
that's the wrong kage
bold linden
@sick sentinel i just saw it sorry xD
sick sentinel
point stands though, you can use briny until you get something better
either pvp trinket or goreblock
I don't like recommending vial because you're not going to use it properly anyway
scenic ore
Awesome been hoping for goreblock but no luck so far
clever orchid
seems like it actually pulled up by quite alot, so my apologies about all that
looking at bloodmallet here
sick sentinel
bolster skit fort 
clever orchid
i guess they changed something about the ST procrate, doing 5-7% for people
so i take it all back, sorry
sick sentinel
it got buffed
scaes better with ilvl
haste makes it proc a lot more, vers and crit make it do a lote more damage
and seeing that most people are haste vers for raiding or haste crit for mplus
sick sentinel
yes but how much haste
sick sentinel
do you are effectively removing the RNG part of your mit
stark ruin
my dps didn't go down
the frequency of flashy big numbers did 😃
I know, sadly a break is coming up
vacation time has to be taken seriously
sick sentinel
well yeah
but your gear and stats rn are absolutely amazing for raid tanking btw
like actually unkillable
stark ruin
my guild only raids heroic for the time being, and there I usually run full dps spec anyway 😃
sick sentinel
aw
stark ruin
managed to pull some 90th percentile kills
sick sentinel
dps trinkets
stark ruin
and devastator
and sometimes some alternate azerite too
and dps essences
CoF is insane
sick sentinel
null barrier if you can use it
stark ruin
yup
I have all the relevant ones fully upgraded bar VoP where I was lazy on the hard mode
so that'll be rank 3 tomorrow
mental scarab
If i have rank 1 null 3 lucid 2 cof 2 vop and have 2 slots open what do i use for best ST dps
And aoe
Anima rank 3
stark ruin
work on the azerite level and get CoF 3 😃
mental scarab
1 week untill cof 3 and about 9k rep 🥴🥴🥴
stark ruin
CoF requires no rep
mental scarab
👀
mental scarab
WTF
stark ruin
might be wrong though, I have all reps maxed for long
mental scarab
Dont i do some recipe for it?
stark ruin
yes
mental scarab
My bad
sick sentinel
@mental scarab null does damage only at rank 3
stark ruin
VoP is crafting
mental scarab
Oh
stark ruin
but not rep gated either
sick sentinel
go cof major and vop minor currently
stark ruin
null requires exalted with rustbolt
mental scarab
FOK only made the healing easier last night in raid then
mental scarab
For m+ vop major and lucid minor?
mental scarab
Kk
stark ruin
unless heavy magic damage
mental scarab
Brainfart👀
mental scarab
Oh
sick sentinel
I have been using Lucid for the entire time now
stark ruin
with null rank 3, it's worth it to take it as minor sometimes
stark ruin
I ran waycrest a few times yesterday, it did 2 million healing AND dps in a +12 key
twice
which is not bad
sick sentinel
look, I use lucid
stark ruin
not dps but damage
stark ruin
most of the time I do as well
sick sentinel
nah cba
stark ruin
😛
mental scarab
Can use the revenge trait on one
ionic fern
Also..11-13k at 435 ilvl sounds like a rotation issue rather than a gear issue.
stark ruin
you have better gear than I do, just dress for ST dps and it should work out
also, get rid of the bloodsports
mental scarab
Kk
mint imp
do you prefer crit/haste or stat food for M+ ?
sick sentinel
haste or crit
mint imp
k, thanks
sick sentinel
heavy repercussions showing lots of promise single target
spice ferry
but AM is ❤
sick sentinel
don't do this to us glick
undone sun
smh
sick sentinel
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/XUWg9JnAn8pszDunULNuw heavy repercussions 
upper spoke
crit gems?
undone sun
that's not the unusual part
marble cipher
veng weaving was fun, while it lasted
foggy cliff
damn...people pushing 30k dps while im sitting at 10k on ashvane HC (which is pretty much patchwork for us..) at 429 (well.tbh my trinkets are shit)
void berry
He's at 30k+ sims with full benthic too.
Not like it's great for tanking as far as I understood.
brittle owl
10k dps at 429 is weird
void berry
On the other hand 10k is damn low.
stark ruin
it is
foggy cliff
im working to get the essence to rank 3 and to get proper trinkets..dont even have the mechagon one that everyone is using
brittle owl
still
stark ruin
that's lazy bdk levels
foggy cliff
😦
strong forum
^
brittle owl
oof
void berry
Almost all your guild is doing something wrong.
eager tartan
All I can manage is 27k on single target, using Fury azerite traits though
without benthic gear aswell
void berry
27k is huge already. Like, super huge
stark ruin
not enough shield slams and not enough CoF casts
brittle owl
2 avatars in a 5 min fight
strong forum
You didn't shieldslam for 14 seconds straight
void berry
I can't imagine pulling off 27k on like... Sivarra
foggy cliff
Its not a guild ,its a pug 😃 ..
I have no guild.
strong forum
Your opener was 14 seconds of just devastate
stark ruin
you didn't hit half your thunder claps
oblique garnet
Why are people running rf on prog fights
eager tartan
Oi 3head In my defense, I only use it on farm
brittle owl
because EP hits like a wet noodle
and where it hurts is usually magik damage/gorgonzola
strong forum
My best was I think 24k on sivarra and 29k on radiance, no benthic memes tho
foggy cliff
Hmm , ill try to prioritize thunderclap more i guess .
brittle owl
prio everything else except devastate
stark ruin
you don't need to prioritize it
eager tartan
I'd argue having some extra dps for Ashvane would might my guild, alas I haven't kill her so
stark ruin
devastate warrior is not gcd locked
strong forum
Use everything but devastate when you can
If you have literally nothing else to press
stark ruin
you can hit everything almost on cd
strong forum
then you can press devastate
foggy cliff
Trying to keep priority of Revenge proc > Thunderclap>Shieldlslam > Dev
brittle owl
and use your cooldowns
strong forum
I'd prio SS over TC
stark ruin
don;t use devastate if you have anything else available
foggy cliff
Will do , thanks .
brittle owl
you don't cast nearly enough Demo and Ava
foggy cliff
hell .ill just remove it from the bar
eager tartan
^
strong forum
Na thats wrong
stark ruin
SS>TC>revenge proc>devastate
foggy cliff
Well , ill move shield slam in the place where devestate is .
that should make my muscle memory go for shield slam 😃
stark ruin
also, it's a pure ST fight, you can use devastator
and then you have less rage, but one less button to spam
well, almost pure
foggy cliff
will it make up for the 15% dmg loss of booming voice?
oblique garnet
its more dps on st than bv
eager tartan
oh it does
unless you are some korean prodigy with sick APM
then again that guy always run devastator
foggy cliff
Most of EP fights are ST though .
oblique garnet
boost is just a cheeselord
stark ruin
I have 1 log with bv on ashvane, devastate was 3% of my damage
foggy cliff
Hopyuflly next week ill get CoF to rank 3 and it will boost my dps abit.
And get a damned proper trinket.
Will work on my rotation 😃
eager tartan
he is, can't convince my guild to cheese zaqul on heroic
they dont value the beauty of orange logs
ionic fern
You can get orange logs without cheesing tho.
eager tartan
on zaqul? something I have to be doing wrong then
can manage a 99 without going downstairs?
void berry
Just be the off tank,stick behind the boss with the DPS and healers and TC away
ionic fern
Orange starts from 95.
void berry
You'll hit the adds and bum bum
eager tartan
thats the issue though
I tried to be the offtank
I get the boss from my co tank
even while he spams every single taunt
sick sentinel
Opulence didn't get removed from allstars like zul did
But do you think zacool will?
void berry
My orange parse at 48k ilvl 421.
strong forum
I've only got like a 83 on zaq cuz I never bothered logging on add heavy fights
void berry
Za'Qul makes no sense, it has to be removed from all stars.
strong forum
Ye
brittle owl
oppu got removed from allstars afaik
strong forum
Ye it did
Otherwise there's no way I coulda gotten close to 900
Cuz my guild wouldn't allow getting 3rd adds or be able to kill just after 2nd
brittle owl
cheesing zak is considerably harder
gorgo is the giga pad fight, you have adds up all the time in p2
brittle owl
but on gorgo if you don't prio damage you fugged
then again
i don't subscribe to this discords view on parses so idk
strong forum
Parses are for farming, and rn I can no longer can compete for top 10 cuz I don't have the azerite and gear, so I'll just start using full passive trinkets and essences and start afking
And focus on screaming at my cotank 🙃
sick sentinel
Playing turtle for prog is very valid
sick sentinel
And then after a couple of pulls you can start going more offence
sick sentinel
No listen
strong forum
I'm still maxing my dps, but ima cba cof and cyclo
sick sentinel
You do first pulls as turtle
sick sentinel
padding hps? big yikes
brittle owl
1 pull or 2 to 'get it'
sick sentinel
And you progressively get more dps
brittle owl
tank mechanics are a joke
strong forum
Obv
You don't need to play turtle
If you know what you're doing
But I cba
Anymore
brittle owl
ya
turtling is for afk mode
OR you dont know the fight/class
it's a safety net
and it's mostly about how you press buttons
strong forum
I just full on cba now until we have the raid cleared or I have bis azerite again
brittle owl
rather than gearing
void berry
I have to deal damage myself cause some of our DPS are a bit lazy.
We'll never pass Ashvane if our tanks don't do damage.
oblique garnet
When you say doing damage, how much are you doing by going offensive?
sick sentinel
You might also not be potting or lusting at wrong times
oblique garnet
^
sick sentinel
Or having cds assigned poorly
bold linden
@void berry we have a similiar problem regarding our DPS..... our raidlead figured a solution: 1. kill shield 2. dps her (we get around 55-60%) 3. kill shield 4. LUST, only do bubble mechanic, ignore destroying the chorals and hope she dies before she casts shield again
worked for us and we had several DPS around 19-24k DPS
sick sentinel
If you bring her to 55-60% on first shieldbreak
bold linden
we were 2 3 12
oblique garnet
2-3-12 🤔
sick sentinel
...
teal quartz
🤔
void berry
Ow yeab I'm talking Mythic indeed.
HM has been cleared first week, except for Azshara that was cleared last week because we didn't bother earlier.
oblique garnet
🤔 giga staff and trinkets why wouldnt you
void berry
Don't ask me I don't make the calls.
void berry
Our mages don't wanna play fire.
oblique garnet
yikes
void berry
Problem solved :p
sick sentinel
From now on we have 20 sec pull timers
What
Abort
Or you know
Look at the bright side
No 20 sec pull timers
oblique garnet
also no damage from the mages .)
sick sentinel
Lmao
void berry
"qq frost is so much better to play i won't play fire"
But they're doing ok.
Just not fire damage.
strong forum
On mythic our strat is 2 burn
Like Limit is doing now
Bring her to 55-60% on first burn
Kill on 2nd burn
sick sentinel
the 2 burn strat is the one that will be the norm
after people get a bit more gear
vital token
Hey guys, I was just wondering how you guys deal with the two adds on Azshara. My group usually starts with them stacked by a pillar, then moves to the outer edge of the arena. After painful Memories is gone, I move one of them to the other add, then once painful is about to come back I move that add back to the same spot, rotating around if needs be. Thing is, this can make things messy with all the shit on the floor.
How do yous manage it?
rancid rapids
Stack the shit?
They cast it when they have 100energy so just go in old one beforehand
There's weakaura for that on wago
vital token
No, no, I'm just asking how you position them
I don't have a problem with LoSing or anything. Just after new and better tactics to try out
analog swift
right but you were asking how it gets messy with the poop
vital token
Oh, right, I see, yeah cheers for that
I didn't actualyl realise they had an energy bar
opaque shuttle
Hey guys, any tip to avoid being bumped on the last boss of tol dagor when he puts the bump on you ?
vital token
Tank him in the corner at the stairs
brittle owl
stick your ass on the door
opaque shuttle
yeah i do that but he bumps me and i slide on the wall
brittle owl
the little entrance thingy
you should slide like 3y max
if you are right up against it thouhh
you can move more
press your back to it then shuffle a bit forward
WoW physics does that
vital token
I tank him at the bottom of the stairs, with him facing the door. When he knocks me back I go right back down and he pretty much doesn't move. I don't tank him at the top because it can make it abit more awks for melee
sand egret
so the way knockbacks work in WoW is done by the angle of the center of your hitbox to the center of theirs. You need to form a complete right angle perpendicular to the wall
also, that boss is where I totally whip out a deviant delight or other tmog option to make me a smaller race for the above reason
(also a reason why dorf is the master race)
tender burrow
Hi all, so my prot warrior is my alt, got it to 404 at the moment, not the best gear and trinkets. What + key you think i can do up to?
sand egret
depends on the group / experience of the pilot
tender burrow
without being a burden o healers
vital token
You can probably do a +10 with 410-415. I'd say maybe a 7?
sand egret
an edge case with a group on their shit is possible, but your damage intake will be really high
tender burrow
but i was thinking 5 ish to start and get some gear
sand egret
that's a good start. work your way up (with gear along the way)
as Nom was most likely alluding too, your group can do you a LOT of justice with proper play, but that isn't guaranteed
tender burrow
i have played warrior from Van, tanked all the time. But legion i took a break and went hunter dps
so i am a little rusty, but i know the routes etc the tanks take when i dps
sand egret
you should pick it up fast, but I wouldn't start off in a +10 as your first go at it 😃
tender burrow
YEa need to walk before running
sand egret
esp if your group isn't going to be top-notching it
tender burrow
well i would take some heavy hitters from our guild. the problem is most don;t want to do below 10
which i understand
sand egret
as you're probably somewhat aware but rarely on the receiving end of, interrupts are very important to manage your damage intake.
vital token
a few +5s to get started is a great idea tbh. You can pug it and you'll generally be invited a lot easier than otehr classes. I can get into a +13 push key with my highest rio being 1100ish
tender burrow
well i have the weak auras and we use comms on all our guild keys. so we call out interupts etc
sand egret
via M+
tender burrow
PUGS is what i am worried about
you get some good groups, you get some bad bad groups
sand egret
pugging is weird because there's basically the Shitty Valley ~ the 4-6 range of keys where you get some interesting people...
tender burrow
dps pulling for you, even though you are pulling correct etc
sand egret
tbh that doesn't happen as much as you'd think
tender burrow
and fast
vital token
Don't worry about that stuff. ou're only doing the keys for experience. Not to time it... and if people want to make it more difficult for you that's just more experience.
sand egret
if you set the right pace, pugs usually fall in line (barring a few bad apples, obvi)
vital token
And gear, i guess but you get that timed or not :d
void berry
One of my best players can't stop pulling for me.
Because he'll lose his frenzy stacks or wtv if the healer takes the time to regen.
sand egret
but at 404, especially if your shield is low, you may want to work your way up a tad. Tbh you could prob do a +7 with your guild, and there's the incentive that you can get your guildie's alts the Essence Rank 2 from the run 😃
tbh I don't mind if people pull for me if its the route I'm going anyway. I mind if it happens when I don't wanna pull, most often when there is a patrol or the healer is low on mana
tender burrow
Yea thats what i am thinking. I love tanking, but PUGS man... send me shivers please being new ish
i am going to fuck up
sand egret
as a person who has 90% of my M+ career in PUGS, it's not really as bad as the press makes it out to be
weary thorn
belieb in yourself
tender burrow
Yea going to study MDT for the routes etc
weary thorn
sand egret
the routes are good to know, but the kicker is knowing the trash well.
esp now where Beguiling be fucking up everyone's %'s
weary thorn
teeming is one of the few weeks where my routes may deviate from a general path
upper spoke
whats this week
sand egret
yep yep
upper spoke
probly 5 minutes, tbh -- but it's listed in advance
sand egret
https://mythicpl.us/ - doesn't say yet
upper spoke
reuu
sand egret
still shows teeming/volcanic
upper spoke
truu even
weary thorn
that site didnt update for many hours after last tuesday's reset
upper spoke
was last week teeming?
sand egret
this week was solid, with UR being hilarious on the last boss
weary thorn
begoogling is throwing off % for most people, so teeming isn't as noticeable
sand egret
yeah i got fucked on my %'s this week
upper spoke
i never bothered to plan my routes to the T, so i prefer it that way
makes me look better
I like to intelligently wing it
weary thorn
I did an ML early on this week, hit like 90% before 3rd boss because goofballs kept pulling random shit
so we just deathran to 4th and timed it
sand egret
i have a general route I tend to run (honestly should look at different ones) but this season has made it spicy
weary thorn
^ I actually sometimes go right from the start in ToS now
sand egret
the more I play with begoogling, the more I like it
weary thorn
i'm getting used to it
tender burrow
not a fan tbh
weary thorn
enchanted still kinda sucks when i want to jump in and clap everything
then I get clapped back
big oof
weary thorn
you like, hpala healing or something?
generally the healer can handle knockbacks if you have a full melee group
weary thorn
if they cant spam moonfire/cracklin jade lightning/whatever else they have, then that sucks for you
puglyfe 4head
sand egret
so, what I've found that works for Enchanted's is that you can kinda do it yourself if you leverage non-targeted aoe abilities
weary thorn
you aren't going through the cave everyday right? Just getting to the rock where you should hear a roar near the opening of the cave
tender burrow
correct
weary thorn
@sand egret does HT spam work? honestly havent had to even try it
sand egret
yeeeeeep
tender burrow
can only do it daily
weary thorn
could just make a macro for mouseover HT lol
sand egret
or even better, just make a focus target macro
weary thorn
thats what I did with CJL on my monk
tender burrow
well MDI at the moment is prot tank, druid and 3 rogues
sand egret
on my bear i deal with all enchanteds myself by weaving in a moonfire between swipes and thrashes but the same could be down with heroic throw and tclap during avatar
tender burrow
so solar spam
weary thorn
that makes sense
sand egret
pretty sure revenge also doesn't need a target so that could work
with a focus target macro you don't even need to keep it targeted as long as you're facing it
weary thorn
the reveng debuff tic cause knockback?
sand egret
naw only direct damage does
weary thorn
figured
sand egret
interesting
brittle owl
or a stern word
sand egret
so direct actions really
strong forum
Ye
sand egret
good to know
strong forum
You have to use a targeted spell on it to knock it back
It doesn't have to do anything, you can spam shadow word pain for example
sand egret
hunter/warlock pets work wonders as well
strong forum
Any targeted spell/ability works
Or say blade flurry also does
Without targeting it
sand egret
only issue is that initial separation point on pull if your dps goes full mong
strong forum
Ye enchanted is prolly the most annoying one
sand egret
then it's like "ya couldn't wait half a second?"
sick sentinel
i usually do a 2~ heroic throws, a taunt and then im gucci, rdruid takes it over + eye beam/clap/bladeflurry/focusing iris etc
sand egret
yeah, I'm usually in pugs so i expect to get no help lol. I strive to be as self-sufficient as possible and enjoy when others help
tender burrow
or i can just not do 10s and worry about it 😉
sand egret
but that's no fun!
tender burrow
ohh we play games for fun?
my bad
so happy Prot warriors are good again, was dark sad times before
warm plinth
The enchanteds seem pretty inconsistent. I swear there are a lot of times where the buff is clearly on the mobs and yet I take no damage
tender burrow
what essences do people use for M=? i know icy viens but what people tried and tested
strong forum
We have tried and tested everything and there's no clear winner
VoP + lucid is the most solid and chill
Anime + VoP minor if you can play around it has some nice deeps but not as useful if you can't make big pulls
tropic star
this week is fort, so likely switch it up
strong forum
Idk everybody seems to be running full on defensive trinkets and essences on mdi
So I wanna try that out
oblique garnet
whats this week in na
strong forum
See how it goes
tropic star
i honestly feel like VOP minor is a bigger deal and the major
warm plinth
We'll see in 19 minutes
strong forum
It is jiggles
red wedge
I think it's Bolstering Skittish Fortified.
strong forum
Are you na
red wedge
Yes
warm plinth
How would you even know?
strong forum
Did the reset happen
warm plinth
The reset doesn't happen for 19 minutes
strong forum
Current rotation is all over the place
You can't follow the old rotation so far
We'll have to wait for 18min and see
Prolly another grievous week 🙃
warm plinth
lul
weary thorn
fuckin grievous
strong forum
Every fort grievous confirmed
tropic star
is there a strategy for using ashvanes razorcoral
or just every 20 secs consume the crit
warm plinth
lol
stark ruin
That would be disgusting
stark ruin
Mothball the shamans and the disc priests
tender burrow
@tropic star
stark ruin
If you haven't, yet
frosty vigil
If blizz has another grievous week, it's pretty clear they have no interest in balancing the weeks
warm plinth
Oh actually I guess the TR one is fortified anyway
tender burrow
how we use it on hunters
On a 5 minute fight it looks like:
- 0 seconds (You apply the debuff)
- 2 Minutes (You get the crit, aotw is also cast here)
- 2 minutes 20 (You apply the debuff)
- 4 minutes (You get the crit, aotw is also cast here)
- 4 minutes 20 (You apply the debuff)
- 4 minutes 40 (cus the fight will be ending in 20 seconds and you want the crit buff)
warm plinth
The WCM they have right now looks horrible
weary thorn
lol, fort/griev/ 🦆 & begoogling
warm plinth
Teeming/Bolstering 🤢
frosty vigil
Unless they think taking the easiest weeks and making them the hardest is their plan
strong forum
TR is aimed to always have the hardest affixes
tropic star
what havent we seen yet
warm plinth
Yeah I know
strong forum
Have you noticed on every mdi every dungeon had insane affix combinations
warm plinth
Except Raging/Sang/Tyr doesn't exactly have me quaking in my boots
strong forum
Cuz otherwise you don't get a show
Apparently
Any raging + tyr combination is giga chill
Or any volcanic + tyr is giga chill
warm plinth
And it's in Siege so you get raging spotter
warm plinth
lol
strong forum
And tyra siege last boss is also monkaGiga
Cuz they reverted the change
So you still have to kill 5 tentacles
warm plinth
Eh, it was never an official change anyway. I knew that wouldn't stand.
warm plinth
Anyone who thought that nerf was gonna stay in was kidding themselves. It would've made the boss a complete joke
frosty vigil
3 seems like a good number
weary thorn
new twist, tentacles drop sanguine in the water healing the boss
warm plinth
lul
warm plinth
Yeah, I'm guessing they just fudged something when they changed the spotter interaction
Assuming that actually stayed in; idk if it did
Hey he was right
Bolster/Skittish/Fortified
red wedge
<3
warm plinth
Also apparently they buffed how much anima you get o_O
red wedge
I just got 8 for a 17.
warm plinth
Really? Hmmm
Idk what happened with me then
Maybe you automatically get enough for the next one once you've gotten one r3?
Because I did a 14 and got 15 this week, but I already have r3 iris
warm plinth
So yeah, have a couple other people confirming it. If you already have one Rank 3, you get the anima for the next spec automatically
slow flame
hey ya guys i can't figure out what essence i should use for the new raid.
atm i use for main the dynamo essenc
warm plinth
lul, my warrior did a +7 last week
slow flame
and for minor i dont know what
warm plinth
And I got a 445 Jes
red wedge
Grats!
stable gazelle
is this dogshit?
warm plinth
Thanks. How did you come up with your guess btw racial? Or just a legit guess?
warm plinth
Oh, lol.
warm plinth
Yeah it's pretty nice
sick sentinel
warm plinth
Dawww
red wedge
Everyone loves Kaege.
solid pendant
thats so gay i love it
tender burrow
Print that and put it on your wall
stable gazelle
is anima shit as a minor?
lusty grotto
Yes
frosty vigil
Do people run as major? I thought vision was the best.
sand egret
You can play around it, yeah
oblique garnet
Why are you like this
you run it as guardian because its the only thing they have
exotic spoke
Bolstering Skittish btw
oblique garnet
I mean am i wrong?
undone sun
no
oblique garnet
exactly
warm plinth
Ouch Late
smoky iris
is it worth to lose one bom for anything else?
warm plinth
Getting overtly toxic to da bears
warm plinth
I mean, they’re just trying to spread the high max HP love around.
smoky iris
bom/dc/earthlink/resounding or dc,brace/bloodsport/overwhelming power/impassive
is it worth to lose that one bom?
warm plinth
Is one higher than the other?
warm plinth
I’d probably keep the bom piece.
smoky iris
thanks 😃
warm plinth
👍
warm plinth
Both really
Mostly DPS
But the mastery gives you more crit block and bigger IP as well
grand drum
lul 440 bandages
warm plinth
RIP you
west kayak
440 Briny Barnacle here, wish it was a shield...
sand egret
@oblique garnet never said it was good for Prot. I said "you can play around it, yeah" in response to "do people run it".
hasty nova
hey guys um
sand egret
(also not the only thing we have)
hasty nova
when did naga hide become the go to enchant
sand egret
😄
hasty nova
for prot warriors
lusty grotto
it hasn't
its going the same way as leech
high key runners running it for x reason
so people assume its good
its not
hasty nova
looks like the top 6 world warriors in raider.io have nagahide on weapon
why are they running it?
oblique garnet
its not even bad enchant
red wedge
Probably for specific reasons that dont apply to plebs like us
lusty grotto
hop on a stream maybe
hasty nova
i still see some of the top 20 with force mulitplier
no need to get testy nim. just curious if the reason is known
warm plinth
Probably just "I'm gonna test this out" because at the end of the day, a weapon enchant isn't going to make or break anything
prisma crane
my assumption
weary thorn
chip
lusty grotto
im not trying to get testy here
hasty nova
maybe they trust their dps more and make huge pulls so they want the added defensive?
red wedge
"Look what the top X are doing" is just such a bad way to look at things
prisma crane
constantly pulling massive pulls procs it more often
weary thorn
I swear to god I can feel when nim is gonna be toxic
and I just pop in here, lo and behold
weary thorn
, everywhere
warm plinth
😉
weary thorn
lol
hasty nova
lol
lusty grotto
🤔
hasty nova
Hey, nothing wrong with talking it out. I thought that maybe I had missed something
lusty grotto
you guys just like to bait toxicchip
warm plinth
Can you blame us?
tender burrow
prisma crane
looking at top tier players can result in odd findings because of the niche scenarios they find themselves in
lusty grotto
so like my power went out for a bit, and my addons reset. Thank god i had a back up lmao
prisma crane
that one i assume is strictly due to the size of the pulls they do
lusty grotto
yup krotos
weary thorn
how dare you mention bait when you are a well known fish abuser
hasty nova
skiddish is an interesting and deadly combination with bolstering
normally with bolster weeks i like to make huge pulls and kite them around
warm plinth
It's not a new combination, fyi
weary thorn
as long as your neck level isn't overly low, skittish should be a non-factor for pwar
warm plinth
I mean, the key to bolstering isn't to pull huge and kite. You can still pull large pulls on bolstering; you just can't do shit like pulling the first room of shrine and decimating the low HP adds so the templar gets the size of the empire state building
hasty nova
well in freehold, waycrest, even tos some of those huge whole room pulls where you don't touch them that much
could be a problme
sand egret
generally curious, post-nerf what do claps look like damage wise now with UF? 30k?
warm plinth
Let's put it this way
hasty nova
well everyone has different ways to do bolster. I find if you can get a big pull off with dps who tab target to kill evenly it does a huge favor to the timer.
warm plinth
On single target, you actually still prioritize Shield Slam over Thunder Clap during Avatar
warm plinth
I know, that's why I said that o_O
Because in S1/S2 you prioritized TClap
In S3 you prioritize SS
Because it does more damage on single target than TClap
analog creek
High end keys do a literal fuckton of damage, the naga hide enchant/defensive trinkets are often the difference in a dead tank and a living tank
sand egret
does the absorb on Naga scale in anyway/
lusty grotto
with versa
oblique garnet
@sand egret
hasty nova
yeah @analog creek i'm starting to feel that now, I am wondering if 18s are high enough for me to start switching to more defensives.
i guess i'll find out this week with tyrnnical
the gear i got now things have actually become a lot easier
warm plinth
Enchants and defensive trinkets are not going to be the difference between death and life 99% of the time
hasty nova
but i feel like the difference in 17 and 18 is a lot
warm plinth
Even on high keys, playing properly is still what's going to make that determination. While they may use them to smooth it out a little, I guarantee that they don't HAVE to use them.
oblique garnet
100% not needed to use naga hide
warm plinth
I want my 5g if you get BoM
sick sentinel
Does naga hide make me do damage
hasty nova
yeah not naga hide
sick sentinel
So it does make me do damage?
hasty nova
actually i like my trinkets too, vial of blood and rezzans eye
red wedge
I've got a 445 edict and 430 vial.
warm plinth
I mean, it kinda does I guess?
hasty nova
edict is trinket from council?
warm plinth
It gives you a strength proc on blocks/dodges/parries and you get an absorb
red wedge
Yea
analog creek
Needed, no. But if you're tanking a 19 or 20, naga hide will save your life more times than force multiplier
sick sentinel
😪
warm plinth
While the str proc is active
red wedge
Yea to edict from council :P
warm plinth
How could you possibly quantify that lol
lusty grotto
the reason you're seeing naga hide now is because people think its gOoD bEcUsE NeRfTaNk UsEd iT tO buDgeT BdK
warm plinth
You realize that you're saying a 15k absorb is going to be the difference between life or death right?
lusty grotto
same reason people went leech in s2
warm plinth
That's ridiculous.
lusty grotto
when they actually didn't need to
sick sentinel
Based on my history in this channel I thought y’all would know I’m memeing
Carry on
analog creek
Have you tanked a 20 this season?
oblique garnet
Yes
lusty grotto
there it is
weary thorn
🍿
lusty grotto
have you?
hasty nova
Is edict as good as diamond - comparatively - last season to this season
warm plinth
WEll Nim hasn't, so he's out
sick sentinel
flexes
warm plinth
I don't need to have tanked a 20 to know you're talking out of your ass dude