Not to mention stealth runs for non alliance players
#protection
vast sedge
brittle owl
yeah idk
exotic spoke
Oof. Horde in 2019?
lusty grotto
alliance
brittle owl
yeah like an incandescent tampon
lusty grotto
hold on guys im tweeting blizzard dev
brittle owl
twatter in 2k19
lusty grotto
uhh...
lusty grotto
im confused what am i suppose to use
exotic spoke
Also, I think I’m getting rid of cyclotronic for real this time (in m+
lusty grotto
ok i tweeted blizzard devs
primal crypt
50%party
lusty grotto
aww shucks
primal crypt
because they kept getting blasted on Siege
lusty grotto
i was beginning to get attracted
exotic spoke
“They kept getting blasted”
Giggity
lusty grotto
all i want is a sugar mama hpal
lusty grotto
on it
exotic spoke
Cow or belf?
lusty grotto
calm down satan
primal crypt
zanda troll
lusty grotto
my eyes
warm plinth
tfw he's not even holy
lusty grotto
good good
exotic spoke
Ugh, why do people want to go back and play classic. Hope they don’t stop raiding when it comes out
This was posted:
https://www.reddit.com/r/classicwow/comments/8t6p7i/the_real_list_of_119_useu_guilds_that_cleared/
And a few people where like:
“We should do it again and get better than 39th for Naxx clear”
exotic spoke
A - fuck that time commitment.
B - we already did it once, why do it again?
C - I refer you back to A
sand egret
yeah, I mean I get the idea of "racing" but a huge part of that instance was getting 40 people to do the "complicated" mechanics (at the time)
now, I feel like people are so much more generally exposed to mechanics that it'd be trivial
the other aspect was the brutal amount of farming required to meet gear checks (looking at you Lotheb) so i'm with Riki on refer to A
exotic spoke
I agree. But gearing up the raid... ugh. 3 pieces per 40 people
sand egret
oh it was a nightmare
exotic spoke
And, god forbid the pieces needed by the guild didn’t drop.
Swear to god so much Druid and lock shit rotted
sand egret
we got lucky on our first few kills and got warrior pieces
but fuck being horde on patchwerk
such bullshit
sand egret
imagine not having to run aq40 to get to that 10k hp mark for your tanks to survive the fucking hits due to Kings.
alliance could literally gear in BWL and do it
exotic spoke
Yeah that too.
I do wish I had windfury though
sand egret
while Horde had to run AQ40 for the gear due to the stam on it
exotic spoke
Hated AQ
sand egret
WF was good....until RNG said fuck you and aggro was a nightmare
exotic spoke
That run back
sand egret
I had to twist that shit out so hard when our Warriors would hit lucky streaks
exotic spoke
I’m a warrior. I know what my Aggro dump was back then
exotic spoke
I think you’re one of the few people I met that enjoyed it
sand egret
I liked the ceiling on it
esp at a time when the "skill" was how good you were at canceling casts
lol
exotic spoke
I mean sure. But so many “wasted” Gcds
sand egret
anyone know if the throwback raid for the Deathwing mount is going to be queueable or will it be premade only?
LFR + Heigan is going to be super funny
warm plinth
Why would you even talk about Heigan
sand egret
Cuz it's one of the raid bosses!
exotic spoke
Princess HuHu was a bitch
sick sentinel
How do people main brm
I feel like when I play it I will destroy my keyboard due to the drool on it
remote tusk
lusty grotto
1 time I rolled a BRM, I fell as sleep and banged my head on my keyboard, as I woke up from the pain I noticed that I accidentally got a world first
empty inlet
warrior in this raid is just troll smileW
lusty grotto
TwItCh eMoTeS
sick sentinel
Imagine playing what your raid wants you to play :omegalul:
“Hawgz you should really play brm for prog rn it’s busted on this fight”
thunderclaps
snorts
logs off
lusty grotto
Imagine if guilds paid your sub tho
empty inlet
brm is just objectively better tank in raid
sick sentinel
If you type brm to a greek guy
empty inlet
obviously if youre not pushing ranks you can play what ever class you want to play
sick sentinel
Brm gives healer excuse to be bad change my mind
It's short for the word "I'm bored"
Shoe fits
analog swift
Had to swap to brm for raid because our MW is rerolling rip
lusty grotto
But, does your guild pay your sub?
analog swift
I’m the gm 🙃
lusty grotto
SMH
sick sentinel
Do 19 other raid players pay your sub
lusty grotto
Smh smh
modern brook
BRM more like BRB
analog swift
This raid is pretty fun
modern brook
Raid tanking, in my experience has been like 3-5 pulls of learning tank mechanics and gimmicks
lusty grotto
Playing a class you don't want to play is not fun
modern brook
and ~90 pulls of waiting for your dps to get their shit together
sick sentinel
100 pulls of waiting for dps to learn mechanics
analog swift
Yeah I raid lead so it’s a bit different
sick sentinel
LUL
modern brook
its so fucking boring
lusty grotto
I used to raid lead too
sick sentinel
if i was raid leader we would have 0 raiders
lusty grotto
Fuck playing something else other than prot
analog swift
Tank*
lusty grotto
"you want me to tank? Then I'll do so in the goddamn class I want"
analog swift
It’s more so “I’m the tank because everyone else sucks so bad”
sick sentinel
If you are good at your class you can play it on any fight tbh
analog swift
If I wasn’t doing all the call outs (stacks on sivarra etc) is legit kms
lusty grotto
Why not put the suck on brm then
analog swift
Agreed but dat debuff doe
lusty grotto
It's ez mode anyway
sick sentinel
Literally can pick up brm and parse 90 while taking no damage
modern brook
xd
analog swift
Prolly gunna have to do it
sick sentinel
I’m curious
modern brook
recruiting brms lol
lusty grotto
Instead of making people reroll
analog swift
Told him we would recruit if he didn’t
lusty grotto
It's a legit non meme question
modern brook
no one plays monk for brm
lusty grotto
Well I suppose that's true
modern brook
ur gunna recruit a WW that has BRM weapons
analog swift
Legit answer. Yeah I’m gm but we all mutually split off from another guild where the gm was fucking cray and trying not to be the same prolly too easy going
Ww is mega fun
Sucks
But fun
lusty grotto
Doesn't suck
sick sentinel
dont press same button twice
analog swift
St
sick sentinel
“Fun”
analog swift
I mean it’s much more than that hawgz
sick sentinel
Ehhhhhh
sick sentinel
One of the easier dps specs to play
analog swift
Lining up wack ass cd
lusty grotto
Are you confusing ww with dhs hawgz
lusty grotto
Outlaw maybe
sick sentinel
I have never and will never be rogue cuck
analog swift
But ww with keeping motc stacks up
Lining up resources without overcapping with ops gotd and docj profs
modern brook
:^)
sick sentinel
None of the things you said are difficult
analog swift
Rip spelling in court waiting for my case to me called
sick sentinel
Then again
modern brook
yeah i mean if we're being derivative
all u really need to do is turn on ur computer and ur basically a mythic prog guild
lusty grotto
I mean there are def easier specs to play is his point
analog swift
What melee is harder
sick sentinel
I agree
analog swift
Feral maybe
lusty grotto
Surv?
modern brook
outlaw
:^)
you really gotta be on that RTB-> complain on reddit about RTB rng combo
lusty grotto
I legit have no idea if survival is easy or hard to play
sick sentinel
it’s not too bad
lusty grotto
I have grouped with about 3 surv hunters
lusty grotto
Since they were "released"
And I mean "released" as in the melee version
Not the good ole pvp gods back in the day that weren't ez mode bm
sick sentinel
Beast mastery hunter is 🐐
sick sentinel
Don’t forget fire mage
lusty grotto
Any other ranged seem to have quite more complexity
Hmm
I'm not sure fire fits in with bm tbh
sick sentinel
Nothing fits that criteria
lusty grotto
Yeah
sick sentinel
So naturally I play bm hunter in my free time :’)
I pressed kill command 3000 times
Am I playing right
sick sentinel
I would agree
lusty grotto
There's also fun in complex specs though
sick sentinel
Playing bm hunter and just running around a boss arena with no regard for humanity
If you do not have 100% movement time playing bm you are not alpha
lusty grotto
True
sick sentinel
Oooo unholy dk is another good one
lusty grotto
Lmao
You just reminded me of mage tower unholy I had no fucking clue what i was doing and got it on the first try
tough vault
icy furry yikes
sick sentinel
That’s hot tbh
undone sun
👀
mental scarab
mighty quartz
i'm normally fury, but i'm going prot for m ashvane, does anyone have any advice or resources or tips that i could use?
junior ivy
hi
lusty grotto
have you played prot before?
if not read the icy veins guide
equip your highest ilvl, and check the guide for traits etc
everything else applies (you can break out of brinies with brage etc as you do in fury)
and make sure you block all barnacle bashes, be it with SB or with Last Stand + Bolster
mighty quartz
i have, i'm looking for more specific tips
lusty grotto
(obviously keep blocks up as usual, don't hold it for bash)
mighty quartz
for instance like using cyclotronic blast
i usually prot keys so it's a little different
lusty grotto
thres not a lot more that you can know about it
use cyclotornic as you would in fury
obviously it helps your guild if you do it while shield is down
mighty quartz
i got the 430 1h str weapon servant splitter from wcm yesterday
i'm assuming the damage over my 415 is worth using despite loss of stats
sand egret
correct
lusty grotto
indeed
sand egret
gl
lusty grotto
gl
mighty quartz
thx
modern brook
hi @junior ivy
opaque shuttle
SOmeone knows how to show the count of a boss ability, how many time did he used it on bigwigs pls ?
pallid berry
would stand your ground rank 3 be better than lucid dreams rank 3 minor?
brittle owl
what's stand your ground
oh aegis of the deep
the major is shit
the minor would only be useful if for some reason you die thru shieldblock i'd think. lucid minor should be better for dps
pallid berry
yea i was thinking minor, for aoe fights but i guess the heal and rage refund are better
brittle owl
what do you use for major?
brittle owl
eh take that statement with a grain of salt. it's highly dependant on a multitude of factors.
just test out the minors tbh
the only caveat is that aegis minor is useless on most bosses
whereas lucid minor never loses value
pallid berry
other option is anima come tomorrow
warm plinth
Anima major is good. Anima minor is very meh
pallid berry
but vision has proven best major wise
i enjoy the extra health\
obviously still need to test vs lucid
sick sentinel
more like lucid memes
warm plinth
The extra health is unneeded. That minor basically only exists to boost the major imo lol
sand egret
the heal on the minor for r3 is worth more than the actual hp gain imho
sick sentinel
I’m going with conflict and strife major
I really want stuff to be rooted
the fury talent reckless flurry is useless for prot in m+ right?
More like reckless furry
sand egret
i certainly wouldn't use it in M+
sick sentinel
just used for doing more ST dmg i guess
I went into a shrine to 12 to see if null is good
when you take devastator
sand egret
it's a niche ST build as is
sick sentinel
for things like ashvane
sand egret
M+ is as far from a ST environment as you can get
sick sentinel
yeah thought as much
sick sentinel
LMAO
lusty grotto
hey man legit sleeper 2 M is no joke
sand egret
i'm fur sure running it....if i can ever farm the fucking mats
lusty grotto
i cant tell if kaege thinks its low or high
sand egret
he ain't, just presenting the facts like a good reporter 😃
oblique garnet
idk about shrine as far as magic damage goes
wcm is probably better
less avoidable magic
sand egret
or gimme a Shadow of Zul log 😃
eternal plover
Havent checked the actual dmg numbers in ML, but im fairly certain a large majority is also unavoidable magic dmg ? The bosses are for sure, but also peacekeepers and jockeys with their greasegun?
undone sun
it's more than other dungeons, but physical is still a large portion
eternal plover
And the splash dmg from null would actually be useful, due to trash pack sizes
sand egret
masterminds are another one
junior ivy
hi
sand egret
god forbid you get hit by an Rock Spear (or whatever that god forsaken cast is)
sand egret
yeah that shitter
eternal plover
We never take master minds tho.. hit 100% be4 2nd boss
sand egret
aye, yeah I do pug-friendly routes so I don't try to rely on deathskipping and stuff (although, i agree that the back half sucks in that regard)
i'll admit i haven't been very good at finding "new routes" as I only tank so I don't get to see other ones often
eternal plover
Well .. playing it with null minor might change the pathing :) there are some easy packs downstairs from 2nd, where you can pull big and take advantage of the splash
sand egret
honestly, the only really annoying trash is the last stretch
those fuckers who just go wherever the fuck they want and hit you with that healing debuff + the mines
wooooof
grand drum
we just deathrun that
sand egret
read up
eternal plover
The change they made to master minds that makes their lazer ray target randoms has made it almost mandatory to skip
eternal plover
(on higher ofc)
eternal plover
Before it would only target the tank
In S1
You could pull 2 at the same time and sync their cast and guarantee a double spell reflect
Now you just gamble if they one shot ur healer
eternal plover
Must be one of the undocumented ones. I know at least back in S1 we never had troubles with the Ray targeting others than me.. sure it hurt like hell, but noone else got targeted and caught the healer offguard. Now it just seems completely random
ionic summit
can anyone tell me what traits im looking for for m+ havnt played war ina while so trying to get back into tanking
sand egret
check the guide
grand drum
Deafening Crash, Bastion of might are the big ones
sand egret
eternal plover
I cant recall in S2, as we always did the skip along with 5th reaping skip as well
elder isle
do u guys use classic str pot ? or some other as battle potions ?
sand egret
i'll keep an eye out in ML for that, but that seems odd
I did it a few weeks ago and never saw them attack anyone but me
sand egret
but I wasn't paying too much attention
lusty grotto
i take deswinds routes so i def tank masterminds
elder isle
is unbridled fury pot good for prots ? better than str one ?
lusty grotto
dunno what youre talking about, R&d isn't as tough as some people make it seem
esp since you can SR masterminds
unbridled fury is only good for ST
elder isle
whats better for overall use then ? the classic STR pot ?
sand egret
where you stealing Benchwind's routes from? Why's he holdin out on me/
elder isle
the proximity one for more than 4
warm plinth
I'm a little late to the mastermind discussion but my group in S2 never did death skips or shrouds and I never saw a Mastermind hit anything except a tank
Unless someone peeled obviously
sand egret
that's what I was thinking
if you didn't have aggro initially, they'd go through the whole channel on someone else
oblique garnet
nono it was a thing in s2
warm plinth
o_O I just don't know how I would have gone an entire season without ever seeing it target anything but a tank if that were the case.
Just the best RNG in the world I guess
warm plinth
If I'm gonna have that RNG, I'd much rather it be on a shield for my warrior than a mob I no longer ever pull 😢
sand egret
it all went into my first 2 caches of this season
lusty grotto
def never seen a mastermind hit anything else
warm plinth
I mean I guess I did get a 440 plume my first cache. Maybe that's where it went.
sand egret
time to cash in i guess
warm plinth
Yeah but you're like set for the tier now haha
warm plinth
I literally never have to run another shrine this season except for score
Got 450 gloves from there
lusty grotto
405 block was my highest one
warm plinth
And it's the only good havoc loot in the dungeon
lusty grotto
but what about glaives
warm plinth
There isn't a weapon in shrine
warm plinth
lol
lusty grotto
i dont wanna run mythic pugs
warm plinth
Tbh I haven't run much. Usually either doing keys or doing naz/mech shit
I could probably just farm some +9s
lusty grotto
esp since the boss that drops shield this time around is fucking radiance
lusty grotto
that pugs can probably kill easily
fallow beacon
Got 445 atal shield from cache 2 weeks ago and 440 rezan trinket last week
I have been blessed by cache rng
warm plinth
Meanwhile I keep getting Galecaller's Boon
lusty grotto
i just want a 445 ML shield, is that too much to ask
lusty grotto
lmao that fucking trinket
warm plinth
Literally two shrines in a row I get a 430 then a 435
And not only do I want nothing to do with it, but I couldn't give it away either lol
warm plinth
lusty grotto
i bet i get bracers again tomorrow
guaranteed
also another bom-less piece
paying 5g whoever bets against me
warm plinth
I'll be happy with whatever
I can't remember if my war did a key this week
Might still do the 15 with Riki but not sure
lusty grotto
welp at least you're on time
warm plinth
Why would you want that
lusty grotto
shit tahts more than me ghash
sand egret
because I like Lust on a 1 min cd?
warm plinth
Yeah but you have to turret for 10 seconds
I swear to jesus, it's impossible to use that trinket in M+ without wasting half of it every time.
It's cursed
sand egret
eh, I had it for a bit last season
warm plinth
I did too; my ally DH still has it I think
sand egret
it's WAY easier to play with when YOU are the one controlling the mobs, mind you
warm plinth
Yeah I guess that's probably true
lusty grotto
AGI char discussion time to get 🚪 🏃
warm plinth
Would be pretty nice on a guardian
sand egret
just knowing when you need to move vs not
a lot easier when you're the one making that call
warm plinth
Yeah
lusty grotto
🗞
warm plinth
But for me it was always like...you ever DPS the wind miniboss or 2nd boss in Shrine and have the tank move like 1/2 an inch too far so you can't stand in the swiftness ward?
It was like that. All season long
sand egret
lool yeah, never had that problem 😃
lusty grotto
🗞 that's 🗞 enough 🗞
sand egret
oh shush you
we're clearly talking about the advantages of being a tank when you're bound to positionally required buffs
lusty grotto
ok guys sorry i didn't mean to be classist
on a semi-related note: after this weekend, im legit scared to go back to the US
lusty grotto
i had a deadline at around oct
that's when i would start the process to move back
now im not so sure, everything that's happening is kinda whack
we'll see
warm plinth
Whereabouts do you live when you're in the states?
lusty grotto
north VA
sand egret
yeah....
potent anvil
Was gonna say... VI is virgin islands, so I was confused.
lusty grotto
i can fucking figure out why i keep spelling vriginia as VI
must be that Virgin islands project i worked on
warm plinth
Because it starts with VI?
warm plinth
Because you're a noob?
lusty grotto
yes yes that must be it
oblique garnet
potent anvil
sick sentinel
Someone say sporepods
warm plinth
They just did 🤔
lusty grotto
👢 🍵 👏
warm plinth
Are you sure about that?
undone sun
Boot soup
exotic spoke
I saw you on the leaderboards a bit above me on WM deswind.
warm plinth
He's just going to change it to FakedHisWayThroughTheRaidWind
oblique garnet
@potent anvil Its never gonna happen
Your guiilds gonna get to azhara and youre about to be benchwind again
potent anvil
My monk is rising. Only 415 ilvl, but soon
potent anvil
You almost have 60 neck on monk? My monk just hit 50 lol
oblique garnet
i mean
lusty grotto
youre kidding me late?
shut summit
brm
lusty grotto
have you tried having a life
oblique garnet
Rude
potent anvil
lusty grotto
toxicchip strikes again
brittle owl
wdym, playing brm is the peak of having a life
how else would you enjoy all those GB of hardcore pornography
sand egret
best class to play bejeweled on while tanking imho
oblique garnet
I mean they are not 100% on which tanks to run on azhara
lusty grotto
yo late, if i lend you my account can you gear up my rogue so i can raid with riki
oblique garnet
So theres hope that i will be prot (8
brittle owl
if you have to actually play the game
lusty grotto
in theory
oblique garnet
Its pain in the ass to do ap sweep etc on 2 characters without multiboxing
lusty grotto
are you 65 yet though
oblique garnet
No
sand egret
slacker.
lusty grotto
how close
oblique garnet
Its only 80 hours of island grind tho
sand egret
ezpz
lusty grotto
i should hit 60 today 😄
sand egret
im only like 57 😦
lusty grotto
thats good
i wonder whats the average neck level for the entire wow pop
and/or the median
oblique garnet
@shut summit you know when you reflect jolt on azhara does the debuff disappear from her or nah?
sand egret
prob around the first major tbh
oblique garnet
The arcane damage taken?
lusty grotto
i thought the debuff was on you
lusty grotto
but yours doesn't fade
at least i tried it in normal
i suppose it might be possible, like champs
lusty grotto
i suppose its not worth it for mages to go arcane due to SR?
oblique garnet
no
shut summit
nah
oblique garnet
how long does the debuff last do you remember?
lusty grotto
all i remember is in normal, she did it 7 by 7 and i reflected everytime it was up but it never faded, it just saved me an app of it
analog creek
I'd like to say I had read 5 seconds somewhere, definitely worth coordinating your SR with any boomkin you might have. Try to get them a few starsurges into it
lusty grotto
i had completely forgotten about boomies
shut summit
DH shit is chaos dmg and gets bonus too iirc, like from upper kara medivh
analog creek
Yea, it should get buffed as well, they dont have as good of an option to burst there though
Cant hold eyebeam for too long
grand drum
Iirc chaos damage counts as all schools of magic
analog creek
Destro is back to chaos for chaos bolt too I believe
warm plinth
Yeah Chaos is all schools
sand egret
psh Chaos damage just ignores armor type
potent anvil
There should be more class abilities that are hybrid schools of damage. Like Radiance is holy/fire, Froststorm is nature/frost, etc.
sand egret
#OGChaosBestChaos
potent anvil
Would be pretty cool imo
sand egret
isn't Plague a type too?
warm plinth
How bout that Frostfire Bolt though
potent anvil
Yeah I think so, I don't know all the schools of magic in wow. But they're a pretty cool concept
sand egret
they are and were great early, but they ffound it super hard to balance to the point where they had no realistic meaning
warm plinth
Yeah Necrotic Strike (DK PvP talent) is plague damage
sand egret
now they just serve as ways to get locked out of multiple schools in pvp
warm plinth
There are more mixed school spells than you'd think tbh
e.g. Wake of Ashes for ret pally is Radiant damage
Which is fire and holy
sand egret
like Viscidus needing FrostM Mages/Frost Wands
and shaman being able to flex Frost Brand
boy was that a fun power fantasy
(as a shaman at the time)
warm plinth
Ebonbolt for frost mage is shadowfrost damage
sand egret
if this game ever went away from its current arpg motions and back to it's more basic RPG roots, i'd like to see elemental stuff be revisited
warm plinth
Here's an interesting write-up on it.
sand egret
it's edgy
analog creek
Priest used to have shadowfrost on a few abilities as well.
sand egret
mind spike was it?
analog creek
Mindspike, mindsear, and mindblast
Cata pushed a ton of hybrid spells
They rolled back most of them though
Sad that one of the first and best is gone though
Frostfire bolt
warm plinth
Yeah Frostfire Bolt had such an amazing animation
sick sentinel
^^
warm plinth
Unfortunately one of the coolest spells in the game right now is trash :
😦 *
Elemental Blast
oblique garnet
Lava Surge or beam is it
potent anvil
I want focusing iris as a tank, no meme
warm plinth
Ikr
solid pendant
same
potent anvil
I rather shoot beams out of my shield and pad 
solid pendant
But really ANGRY NF
lusty grotto
i want one where we reflect focusing iris like iron man + captain america
avengers totally ripped that one off mvc games
serene mango
j
sand egret
deep.
exotic spoke
Fancy
west snow
Anyone have a monk co-tank for raids and have issues ripping threat of them regularly?
Off*
strange plover
may be a dumb question, but this is my 1st time tanking progression raids and i dont see one way or the other in guides. When using Shield Wall, should I continue using shield block as normal or save rage to use shield blocks afterwards?
sand egret
yes
strange plover
rage/charges
sand egret
SW is flat DR
strange plover
okay thanks
sand egret
Block is its own mitigation, so against blockables you want both
strange plover
gotcha, thanks guys
sand egret
obviously against stuff you cant block don't bother 😃
strange plover
i thought that was the right way, but wanted to make sure
sand egret
only with Last Stand (Bolster talent) do you stop hitting the SB button
that's due to it giving you SB while LS is active
strange plover
right
strange plover
okay with that being said, last stand doesnt give us the 30% buff to sheild slam does it?
sand egret
it does not
strange plover
kk
lusty grotto
sometimes you want to wall to recharge SB, in that case you don't have a choice
strange plover
awesome info, ty again
sand egret
np and gl
lunar spade
Do health pots/stones cd begin ticking when I die in raid combat ? Or only when I accept a Brezz
lusty grotto
They begin ticking when you use them
Pretty sure they don't count down on death since you're still in combat
I could be wrong
warm plinth
Yeah I'm fairly certain they wouldn't start counting down until the Release Spirit button became available
Never paid much attention though...good question
sand egret
I'm pretty sure they don't, yeah
as I'd imagine there'd be strats where you'd sacrifice your top dps at some point so they could pot again during a fight
frigid heart
They start ticking as soon as you die, that was the whole point of mass suiciding your raid as early as possible at the end of Argus p2
warm plinth
Yeah, that's because you activate the release spirit button when everyone dies, including on Argus
sand egret
yeah i think Argus was the exception due to that mechanic
unborn cloud
So how do yall keep threat? i find that if a dps pops their CDs in a M+ on trash i cant get aggro back from them
even with avatar, thunderclap spam
warm plinth
Similar ilevel to you?
warm plinth
I mean, if they're significantly higher and also doing shit like blowing Iris first thing, there's not much you can do except tell them to chill the fuck out for a few seconds lol
Are you 55 neck yet? That would help a little as well.
Since you get the second threat bump
unborn cloud
53
warm plinth
Yeah until you get to 55 and/or catch up with them, they're gonna have to calm down a bit. Or get yourself a rogue or a hunter to Tricks/MD you lol
orchid token
its also entirelyp ossible there's things you could do to press buttons better
narrow ocean
Anyone know how much azerite power you get from your weekly m+ cache?
orchid token
i find a lot of people say "im spamming clap" when actually they're using it late or delaying it
not saying you are but really without self analyzing your own logs you don't really know how well you're doing your rotation
quasi yacht
Anyone knwo if healing from Bloodthirsty Urchin is buffed by vers or anything?
orchid token
yes
orchid token
??? why would they say sim it for healing
quasi yacht
im joking, ppl say that to answer every question
orchid token
no they don't
if you're going to meme at least base it on fact lol
the answer for DPS qeustions is sim it
quasi yacht
ill ask 'what minors you guys running lately?' and ppl come in with a sim it answer
orchid token
because sim it is the only answer for any DPS question
there is no way of answering what's better for DPS than simming
so nobody is going to bother answering a question that can be answered through simming
quasi yacht
lol
i didnt ask whats better
i asked what ppl are running lately
its not a sim it answer lol
orchid token
and the answer is "whatever sims best for them"
which will be different for different people doing different content
so their answers do not apply to you
quasi yacht
I dont get why its so hard to ust be like yeah i like iris as a minor
or whatever XD
you guys are weird
solid pendant
no u
quasi yacht
but yes that is the joke, that everyones answer to everything is sim it so i expected that answer for the urchin question
unborn cloud
is there a soft cap for haste? where i should get more vers, mastery or crit over it
orchid token
no
quasi yacht
i think all stats are good
warm plinth
@narrow ocean I want to say that they changed the base reward to like 3k and then you get 100 extra per key level. Sounds right anyway. I can double check for you when I get my chest tomorrow.
quasi yacht
but haste is probs my fav lol
unborn cloud
so stack the hell out of it, sounds good
quasi yacht
take whatever has most stats
unborn cloud
im at 21.15% right now
orchid token
that's not really the right takeaway
quasi yacht
but i like to lean towards haste and vers
orchid token
because stacking haste implies you'll go after it specifically but really
how much equal ilvl haste gear do you even have to choose from
unborn cloud
im target farming haste vers gear, thats why im asking
quasi yacht
again: go for the most stats but some ppl lean towards haste and vers lol
orchid token
you might want haste but that doesn't mean you'll put on a piece 5-10 ilvls lower with haste
just to be clear
unborn cloud
right
orchid token
since some people hear "stack haste" and charge off to find every piece of haste gear they cain
unborn cloud
thats why im target farming haste/vers
quasi yacht
420 crit vers 415 haste crit, unless you have some weird imbalance to fix go w the 420 as it as more stats
tender burrow
Side note. 2 weeks so far and no hidden artifact skin :( sure you can still get it?
warm plinth
Yep
It took me 3 weeks
Drop rates weren't adjusted for most of that shit so you just gotta keep trying
tender burrow
Yea its a joke
unborn cloud
which trinkets are best for tanking right now? the one from ashvane and?
quasi yacht
i am running edicts of the faithless 435 and urchin 415
they change situationally ofc but for pure survival i like those two
unborn cloud
im running ritual bandages right now and gleaming eye
quasi yacht
i was running the 415 diamond laced but i got the urchin so trying it out
unborn cloud
i want to switch out the eye for the ashvane trinket
quasi yacht
ive never been a fan of the bandages
ivory barn
hi guys, I'm playing prot as an alt. what would you recommend switching around. and does raidbots help us at prot at all? (also im just running M+ as prot not raiding)
quasi yacht
@unborn cloud cause i can take an abyssal healing potion for 100g that is stronger than that trink
warm plinth
I'd recommend switching that horrendous font 😅
unborn cloud
true.....
ivory barn
what font do you wish switching to?
warm plinth
I'm just messing with you. You're the one that has to look at it; knock yourself out. I'm not really sure what you're asking though.
quasi yacht
There are some WA's you can get to track shield block and ignore pain that might help you get maximum uptime
ivory barn
im not comfortable as prot. wondering what i'd need to do to get better at the game
gear wise
i have a block/ip tracker and a khakhan wa
quasi yacht
spam thunderclap, keep IP and SB up as much as possible XD, if you want the prot for dummies
warm plinth
Gear is rarely going to be the make or break; playing properly is the absolute most important thing you can do.
ivory barn
are my azerite traits ok?
warm plinth
Yeah they're fine
quasi yacht
ive been messing around with running both vers traits ( not against 1 target raid bosses)
warm plinth
We can't really tell you if you're playing properly or not without logs though, so if you really want some feedback, log some stuff and we can take a look.
quasi yacht
^^ ghash as a point cant tell ya what you're doing 'wrong' if we dont know
odd quail
Remember, your damage in a group is just as important as the three dps. The faster things die, the less damage you take.
paper holly
yo guys, are we still stacking 3x bastion of might or should i go for x2 bastion of might since my third piece is a 430 compared to the 420 one with a bastion trait ?
warm plinth
I mean, you should still stack bastion x3 but we never dropped ilevel for Bastion and we haven't started doing so since
quasi yacht
i just make sure i have at least 1 BoM and 1 TC, from there i usually try to spread them out depending what gear im wearing
paper holly
so ilvl above stacking 3 of bastion ye ?
quasi yacht
but yeah more bastion never bad... jsut hard to come across 3x 430.445 w BOM
warm plinth
If you have a 420 with bastion and good secondary traits and the 430 has trash all around, you could consider keeping the 420 but as a general rule you drop ilevel for nothing trait-wise except the first DC trait.
Trash doesn't mean "not bastion" btw.
quasi yacht
yeah if its like a gear with callous reprisal, trash secondaries id def take my overwhelming power, BoM 420
but honestly i just max the ilvl and try to at least keep decenmt traits and its never failed lol
paper holly
It has everything i need, azerite veins - bury the hatchet - blood sport and DC
so yeah ill probs go with it instead of stacking 3 bast lmao
warm plinth
Okay so like...lol...that's really not what I'd consider a good piece
Other than DC that's actually a pretty bad piece
quasi yacht
Yeah I recently had shoulders with Bonded souls/bloodsport... they werent my favorite before but honestly after running that with BoM and TC i kinda rly liked it\
quasi yacht
all g nim
warm plinth
It hasn't gotten any better since then Nim
lusty grotto
🏃
quasi yacht
its kinda just lake take whatever 445s you can get atm lol
paper holly
recently came back to my warrior, we're still the meta tanks ye ?
lusty grotto
any tank is viable
we're not really meta, its just high key runners are refusing to change cause they are used to warriors
lusty grotto
brm is just the default for pushing world first since its always a safe pick
on raids
doesn't mean anything
quasi yacht
Well it means they def work lol
lusty grotto
they are just safe picks for content you are not familiar with
it may work better with other tanks but WF guilds gear those first
again it doesn't mean anything
y'all are not in WF guilds so it doesn't really apply
willow fractal
For mythic radiance i was gona thinkin of using some azerite with bloodsport on it for the add phase ...it worth losing bom for bloodsport juat for that 1 fight yall think?
lusty grotto
not sure about bloodsport
quasi yacht
@willow fractal i change stuff up a lot depending on the fight
odd quail
With high avatar uptime, you shouldn't need bloodsport
odd quail
BoM should be the better pick tbh
quasi yacht
yeah i noticed
warm plinth
I mean, I don't know what high avatar uptime has to do with radiance adds
quasi yacht
just get edicts and diamond or urchin and roll your face on keyboard
odd quail
Thunderclap for days
lusty grotto
well to be fair you can dispose of them quicker
willow fractal
Well i was just thinkin in that fight my dps r letting a ton of casts go threw so im eating a crapton of dmg in the addphase so i was gona swap to some xtra gear that has bloodsport on it?
odd quail
People should be kicking adds lol
lusty grotto
shockwave works wonders for casts, but anyway the hits are magic damage as well
warm plinth
You know they melee for nature damage though right?
lusty grotto
iirc, and unblockable
quasi yacht
just gotta ip spam, sb the main add and everyone else kick you should be fine
save aoe cds for that point since there is no aoe before
willow fractal
Rivht since the only thing i can do in the addphase is ip aince blocking does nothing
lusty grotto
i suppose bloodsport might be okay to get, but honestly its just for that one fight
if you're progressing on it i dont see the harm in getting it
orchid token
there's no way stacking traits will do enough to help you if dps just aren't controlling them
willow fractal
Yea so i would gain x3 bloodsport and i would end up losing 2 bom i think same ilvl gear just xtra gear i have layin around
lusty grotto
have you done the fight yet? maybe check how much it would help out healers if anything
warm plinth
People overvalue traits like a motherfucker tbh. Traits are not going to make you survive vs not survive
orchid token
what will keep you alive on radiance adds is rotating through your CDs during the add phase and using externals to bridge the gap
there's nothing you can do with your gear that will make any noticeable difference
sand egret
how gross is TD this week?
orchid token
it's literally not even worth the reforge cost
willow fractal
Like my nornal gear im not touching i still jave my main gear with z3 bom etc im just thinkin for thia 1 fight if it would be worth it or not
quasi yacht
also i just rotate around the boss clockwise and stay in front of the tornadoes
lusty grotto
yeah i mean i wouldn't do it just because of the reforge cost
but if he has spare azerite around then 🤷
quasi yacht
and again 15k on each ignore pain isnt gonna save you
lusty grotto
its mythic radiance, im sure he knows how to do it
willow fractal
Well we talking like like 23k more on each ip i hit during add phase
lusty grotto
if you have the gold for it, i don't see why not
willow fractal
Again this is xtra gear i dont gota reforge or anything
quasi yacht
i mean try it sure if you think its gonna help you
cos you dont rly need the mas as bad at that point for sure
lusty grotto
yeah go ahead and try it
quasi yacht
since its magic damage, but why cant everyone hjust kick the adds?
lusty grotto
again its not the casts
willow fractal
Cause they suck?
lusty grotto
the adds hit for magic dmg
quasi yacht
that would surely amount to more than 23k lol
willow fractal
Lol
warm plinth
The adds melee for nature damage; you can't block them.
Even if interrupts happen properly you're still getting trucked
willow fractal
Cause dps love to tunnel and just dps
quasi yacht
edicts of the faithless turned on mymidon then
willow fractal
Yea so i have killed the boss alrdy im just thinkin for tomorrows run
lusty grotto
shit man if its in farm mode
willow fractal
To make it ezer on the healers cause we ended up wiping afew times so if i can help prevent that
lusty grotto
but again you have the extra pieces so 🤷
quasi yacht
lol idk what to tell you i haven't killed radiance mythic yet
distant crystal
the name of the game is killing the big add fast
warm plinth
The big add is the dangerous part
lusty grotto
windy mcwinds
quasi yacht
i have heard you tank him on the edge and they stand right on his back so they dont get knocked out
lusty grotto
is his name
distant crystal
i heard someone talking about that
but you can get knocked into the water
idk where this supposed wall is you can put your back to
willow fractal
And 1 last thing again just for this fight yall think it could be worth using the talaent that gives u more IP the lower ur hp? So i lose the last stand shield block talent but thats only useful on the main boss in that fight and she alrdy hits like a wet noodle
quasi yacht
if you good on every part but the add phase which is high magic damage
quasi yacht
then sure try a big magic mit build and see how it does
i thought you were talking about bloodsport
distant crystal
i mean, tomes are a thing lol
distant crystal
but really just remembering to not waste rage on SB
and use it all on IP
during that phase
should be enough
lusty grotto
you gain more hps from bolster LS
distant crystal
doubt
quasi yacht
^ and again... edicts of the faithless turned to sea witch mode could rly help
lusty grotto
on a minute cd
dreamy epoch
Why are some peple still using the Naga Hide enchant for m+?
lusty grotto
wdym doubt
willow fractal
Well first time we wiped 6 times first i dont wanna do that again. ...and the other tank is a monk who has no issues on add phase ..and i dont want people in thw raid thinkin we are any less then tank gods so i gota do whatever i can to get threw that add phase cause that is the only dangerous part of the fight
distant crystal
getting maybe an extra last stand during that phase vs double IP
more hps in that phase? doubt
quasi yacht
what trinks you running iron?
distant crystal
well if he's dying loil
lusty grotto
i mean you know for a fact that people wipe not only cause tanks die
quasi yacht
haste procs can rly help your magic mit, but there are some trinkets that can just funnel hps into you so insanely
distant crystal
when a tank is asking for ways to mitigate that dmg because they wiped 6 times and he doesn't wanna do that again
i tend to think he's talking about tank deaths
hbu
willow fractal
So my paln for it was thua...using armor with x3 bloodsport...using null as 2nd essence...using the talent that gives more ip thw lower ur hp is....again jusy for the 1 fight
Plan for it
lusty grotto
🤢
distant crystal
i feel like reforging your azerite isn't worth
lusty grotto
are you dying to that phase @willow fractal ?
quasi yacht
i would use your normal build but like save an abyssal healing pot for that time lol
distant crystal
and honestly NS probably isn't worth
lusty grotto
you haven't really answered that
distant crystal
HS/healthpot don't SB, use IP/SR/Wall liberally
willow fractal
Adds not being kicked
quasi yacht
you could try like the versatility one that gives you more vers when adds are around.. .how many total mobs are there during that phase? also you are talking about changing yourself when your raid grp is messing up fundamental mechs
willow fractal
Yep i do as much kickin as i can but alot still go threw
Well ya i gota shore up the raids weakness in kickin to get the boss down
quasi yacht
ip on cd, lucid for more rage for more ip (maybe? idk), take revenge off bar for that part lol
lusty grotto
i mean you're in a 3/8 M guild... how have people not grasped the concept of kicking or aoe stuns?
willow fractal
O i didnt think of that
willow fractal
I didnt think of the easence for more rage for ip good idea ma
quasi yacht
Nim right ab that lol they are casting chain lightning right? so it hurts bad if not kicked
willow fractal
Man
lusty grotto
shit isn't looking good if people can't do basic shit like kick
quasi yacht
My guild struggling on 1st boss but im playing arms in that grp.. I heard 1st boss is harder than 2 and 3
willow fractal
Well ya im speakin out but it still going on so i can just rage or i can do what i can do to help fix the issue
quasi yacht
ya we got ya iron but ultimately as much as you min max war for that one phase they still gonna need to do some good kicks to down it
willow fractal
Lime this will be our 3rd week killing it we gona get it down id just like to do it without afew wipes first ao we have more time on 4th boss
quasi yacht
yeah being 4/8 is rly good in and of itself man
willow fractal
Taht 4th is a doozy tho lol
quasi yacht
lol
sand relic
WHAT 2 TRINKETS SHOuld i use for tanking m+ out of the ones i have ? https://gyazo.com/656ed7146100f544f786aade34433886
oblique garnet
Yikes
lusty grotto
the question is why havent you destroyed that barnacle
sand relic
not sure im a boarder
i save everything
hoarder
@oblique garnet so which 2 would u use
proper seal
TD sucks for another reason: emissary aggroing other shit through walls
queen fulcrum
Praise the lord, I finally got a new shield
wispy plume