No, you don't really want 3xDC's anymore.
#protection
ionic fern
With the nerf to UF the damage of stacking DC's is pretty minimal/if anything.
So you'd want something in the lines of 3xBoM/1xIF/1xDC as a base.
still oar
How mandatory is vision of perfection for m+? I'm running fury rn but can't get mechagon groups
spice ferry
Depends on what sorts keys your tanking
ionic fern
Idk if it's mandatory by any means but it's good to have.
I'm using it as only a minor for example.
spice ferry
Whatโs your major?
ionic fern
CoF.
spice ferry
Ofc
ionic fern
@still oar just create your own Mechagon group tho.
void berry
And Mwahi, Null for magic heavy dungeons or sticking to CoF / VoP ?
ionic fern
I've always sticked to CoF/VoP.
Granted i have not pushed too high yet only doing 15-17 atm.
I can definetly see myself using Null minor for some dungeons once i get pushing again.
dim niche
Lads I'm switching to Prot to OT for my heroic raid this week, but i've only got a 385 shield. We'll likely only get as far as ashvane, but I'm just concerned that the low ilvl shield will be a problem
still got a couple of nights to grab one from M+, just wondering how hard I should be pushing
ionic fern
A higher ilvl shield will definetly be a big upgrade but if the rest of your gear is fine and your overall ilvl is also adequate for hc then you shouldn't be having too many issues.
I'd definetly try to push for a new shield tho. ๐
dim niche
i'm sitting about 408ish in my prot gear. my weapon is only 385 too
everything else is 400+
dim niche
just got to push the right buttons!
dim niche
sweet as. thanks lads
trim bay
@lusty grotto do you use null as a major and perfection as a minor? for that WC you mentioned earlier?
merry bane
so pretty much 1xDC 3XBoM and an IF? or would I want 2x IF
spice ferry
Depends what the second if replaces
merry bane
I took 3x BoM 2xIF 1xDC
ionic fern
Out of curiosity - what other options did you have instead of 2nd IF? @merry bane
sick sentinel
3bom 2if 1dc is pretty damn good
Especially defensively
Replacing those IFs with MS will also vastly increase your damage though without sacrificing surv
@trim bay null only on minor, unless you're doing some funky shit, as in hearthstoning out of motherlode after second boss
Things you don't realise with null, the tides emissaries do frost damage, that makes null really good in tides weeks (I.e. probably next week)
@sharp abyss devastator for keys is a very bad idea
You sacrifice a lot in raids when you pick devastator and you get like 1k more dps or so
stark ruin
fun fact: null minor pulls its max dps on zacool
sick sentinel
@polar fox aegis of the deep and lucid are both worse than sphere of suppression rank 2
stark ruin
or I did something wrong and took too much damage
sick sentinel
Supposing you can break it every single time, it's one of the highest dps minors
stark ruin
yup
well, CoF is like 3k dps for me on ST
That's a bit more than null's max without crits
ionic fern
On Ashvane it's gucci as well. Just soak 1 orb at the start and have it pop pretty much on CD.
ionic fern
Meanwhile i'm still on R1 Nullifycation. ๐ฆ
marble cipher
Same, on warrior, I raid on my monk so all my warrior has (and needs) is CoF/Visions/Lucid
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
ionic fern
I'd actually really-really want r3 but my laziness has just gotten the best of me at this point when it comes to farming spare parts or doing WQ's.
marble cipher
well, doing the 1 WQ a day might be worth it though, you get your Galvanic Oscilators that way, and 850 rep (1275 rep this week) a day.
(but, no, I'm not doing it either, just saying it might be worth it ๐คฃ )
trim bay
@sick sentinel ty for that info.
sterile mantle
Can i get what you think on my current gear (still in a work in progress)
Pretty Please ๐
ionic fern
I'm not sure what you're looking for.
As long as you're using highest ilvl you'll be fine.
void berry
Before you hit 430 (just farming +10 will get you there) you don't have to bother too much indeed.
sterile mantle
im mainly doing m+ so i was going to do a bastion/dodge build for adds
sterile mantle
my own creation lol
ionic fern
o.o
sterile mantle
its working really well now that i got
Its basically about aoe aggro for me and i get alot of free revenges
stark ruin
but warriors have so much damage reduction that you don't really need dodge on top
also, if you dodge an attack, you get no rage
sterile mantle
it doesnt do it crazy amount it seems but enough to help with aoe ad aggro
marble cipher
merry bane
@ionic fern I have BS and BFI plus a few of the second ring traits like MS and TC
astral hare
Avatar+TC spam is enough for aoe ad agro ๐
ionic fern
MS is actually good.
I'd probably swap one IF to a MS tbh
merry bane
@ionic fern I would lose a BoM if I did that
ionic fern
Oh, not on the same row.
merry bane
with my current pieces
ionic fern
Nvm then
merry bane
oh I got a piece for it
ionic fern
@sterile mantle if you're having issues with AoE aggro then chances are you're doing something wrong rotation/priority wise.
trim bay
Hey guy, just curious what everyones average Demo uptime is now with the new essences and all?
astral hare
Does moment of glory stacking increase the hp bonus?
ionic fern
Afaik it does @astral hare
merry bane
so now I have 3xBoM 1xDC 1xIF 1x MS @ionic fern
ionic fern
๐
astral hare
@ionic fern great, iโm hoping for that but i could not find info about it
ionic fern
Why are you stacking it? Is it really your best trait on that row?
sterile mantle
@ionic fern its mainly just a fun build.i wanted to try.
Not having aoe aggro issues
Just kinda wanted to see where it went lol
ionic fern
Ah, okay - well, it's a game after all. ๐
sterile mantle
3 bastion is noce though
Is that sheild good in your opinion (cant get one to drop for.me)
astral hare
@ionic fern I have that on 2 items and accidently took same talent on both. Other option was "get healed x when not around enemies for y sec" and that is useless.
so I think having 2 MoG is better if it stacks ๐
stark ruin
@sterile mantle , you should use the highest ilvl shield and weapon, no matter what
shield ilvl gives you block, which is very relevant
weapon base dps matters a lot as well (for example, IP is impacted as well)
trim bay
Oh sorry in keys. I use to sit on 30-35 demo up time just wondering what yours are atm as well
@ionic fern
ionic fern
Well, that depends on pulls etc so it's kinda hard to compare
Also - where did you take the 30-35% number? ๐ค
trim bay
Would they not be the same :0
Regardless what's ur uptime? Like changes per dungeon and week etc but as an average
willow scarab
@ionic fern do you know if raidbots is going to be ready for 65 necks soon?
void berry
Block from Waycrest and Rezan's from Atal Dazar.
Crit on the first one, haste on the second one.
void berry
On tyra weeks I like to use Mechagon's, cyclotronic is a ton of damages on bosses.
I didn't try it. Sim it tho :)
marble cipher
Cyclo is always a good idea now with Beguiling (ok, on tyranical even more so) since it allows you to focus emisaries a lot easier
ionic fern
Rezan/Vision/Block/Ashvanes are all solid.
sick sentinel
ashvane is good for m+?
I thought it would be bad as targets die fast and you won't be able to u se it often because of that
ionic fern
If you play around it - it can be good.
Like Vial..if you use it properly it can be good.
On low m+ Ashvane is definetly not as good but on higher m+ where mobs have more health it'll be decent.
sick sentinel
Fortified weeks help too right
ionic fern
Jep.
sick sentinel
Ja
stark ruin
but, if the target die you automatically extract the crit and it doesn't trigger the cooldown
which is not so bad
stark ruin
it's not much, but you can keep 2-4 stacks of crit for each pull
sick sentinel
I have the sundering trinket and rezans
willow scarab
@ionic fern I mean major + minor + minor from being 65
Do I have to do 65 to reach it?
willow scarab
I slowed down hardcore
but i'll be 65 in like 10 days ish i think
63.26 with 40k AP banked for resset
ionic fern
Oh you mean via the GUI.
I'm not 100% sure tbh if you gotta be 65 for it.
I know you can sim with essence ID's right now to compare different essence combinations with 2 minors and a major.
willow scarab
mmmmm okay that makes sense
I'll check when i'm 65 and if it's no dice i'll just run vop/worldvein as my extra minor and see what happens
i'm bad at sims
ionic fern
@willow scarab atm it's CoF Major/VoP/Null that's highest assuming you can pop Null on CD.
Other than that iirc it was CoFMajor/VoP/WW assuming you have the stacks up most of the time.
I got the sims at home so i can check later tonight.
modest wedge
why farm 65 when u can get it with no effort soon'ish after most hardcore farmers <- inherit problem with wow tbh
mint imp
๐ฎ thought VoP in major is always best option
ionic fern
Not for ST dps.
sick sentinel
for pure dps it isnt best
but still really good major
i think crucible is best for ST
if you have 60 traits use it
mint imp
but isnt crucible loosing value in aoe situations?
assuming having crucible and vop both rank 3
sick sentinel
stark ruin
crucible major is about 3k dps for me on st
that's a lot
and the minor's dot can stack up in aoe as well (rarely, but it can)
elder isle
What yall wearin as main And Minor essences into mythic Raid ?
sick sentinel
is anyone working on getting vop major proc + bom fixed
void berry
CoF/Null for me most of the time.
sick sentinel
conflict as well while we're at it :^)
void berry
But I'm only 3/8 so...
elder isle
@void berry And do you pop CoF on CD ? Or do you prioritize IT somehow
void berry
CoF on CD.
elder isle
And why no lucid dreams ? Was wondering
void berry
'cause CoF is too much ST DPS and the raid is all about that for now.
No survivability issues, so pumping DPS is the way to get further.
elder isle
Yup I understand that
ionic fern
@sick sentinel what's wrong with VoP major proc?
stark ruin
it gives 35% of the BoM benefits
stark ruin
I suppose it's weird
void berry
35% of the benefits or for 35% of the duration ? I mean, still full mastery no ?
stark ruin
no full mastery
35% of the mastery from BoM
and it overwrites your existing IP, if any
void berry
Ow, that's bad.
stark ruin
if I remember correctly
ionic fern
Yes. It's 35% as effective as a nm one with BoM /IP/duration.
sick sentinel
big brain guy
it's already 35% because the duration is 35% of normal
so it's being compounded
void berry
Having it at reduced effectiveness AND for a reduced duration seems pretty bad.
sick sentinel
when you proc a bladestorm with gatherin gstorm for example you get less stacks but they are full strength
stark ruin
and if it procs to extend an active avatar, you get full benefits for 7 more seconds
sick sentinel
stay strong brothers blizzard will listen eventually
im sure conflict fix is on deck as well
sick sentinel
root doesnt apply when there's a snare stronger than thunderclap snare
so you dont get your bonus 400 versatility
sick sentinel
precludes sphere of suppression being used in tandem. pretty unfun bug for a major essence tbh
does @blizzard work
marble cloak
heya all recently gained a 435 Bloodthristy Urchin and currently running a 410 gem socket Prism/ 430 Lingering Spores is the urchin worth using compared to the spores i know the constant hots nice but a spore procs close to 40k without critting
sick sentinel
if you are getting hit hard enough to keep your urchin juiced up it's good
sick sentinel
you will prob get around double the hps in exchange for a few hundred dps in m+ if you use the urchin
marble cloak
ahk will need to try out abit more lol went with urchin and spores in a 10 ml and no prism defs is a big loss
next goblet
so is lingering spore still dookiebutter?
marble cloak
After the buff they did to its base proc amount isnt too bad defs aint prism good but does a fair amount of self heals as when crits is almost 80k self heal procs
inner bear
mh.. iยดm a bit confused about the essences discussion.. did i miss smth? i was sure we are all just hanging with that vision major / lucid dream minor?
unborn island
aw man
i'm sorry
just need to get a 440 shield/weap
and then can go dps spec for chest
stark ruin
I tried it out just to see if it can be used, but it's basically a bad stat stick in an age without stat sticks
next goblet
sweet so now i dont feel so bad for rocking my 410 sporepod lol
unborn island
Still using my 410 block instead of it
I also got a 425 Mchimbas last season
that made me sad too.
next goblet
i swap it out for a 395 jes howler
occasionally
but if i dont feel like having the on use trinket and want to go for a passive playstyle i rock the sporepod
im only 415 ilvl right now feelsbadman
vernal stirrup
straight up thunder clap is the most satisfying skill in the game for me
I don't even know what it is about it
but pressing that button feels good every time
ionic fern
For me it's still AS for some reason. ๐ฆ
next goblet
because the animation of you slamming your foot in the ground and causing maximum damage is always a good feel lol
you're sonning every mob with that dad stomp
anyone else remember the charge bug back in legion? if you charged up a cliff sometimes it'd throw your character up in the air and you could get a double charge
next goblet
^
strong forum
I have 435 sporepods on my Dh
Did 1mil healing over the course of a 15 atal this week
So...
Literal dogshit
Whereas diamond did like 5mil absorb
next goblet
shrug
strong forum
So yeh, don't use it
But I was surprised at how smooth the 15 was considering my vdh is 423
next goblet
thats also on a DH that has some type of self healing, warriors dont really have self healing, so sporepod MIGHT actually be a little more beneficial to them over a DH.. just sayin
im not saying its a god tier trinket
but apparently it has SOME type of value to a warrior
sick sentinel
comparing it to the most op trinket in the game not a fair fight
next goblet
that too lol
nova rover
Is there any azerite trait we stack up now?
next goblet
BoM
sick sentinel
nova rover
Still need 1 thundering clash right?
sick sentinel
just one
next goblet
yes
sick sentinel
not more
next goblet
i mean you COULD get more if you wanted more thunderclap damage.. but thats about it, im sure theres better options out there
ionic fern
With the UF nerf DC stacking is not the go-to anymore.
next goblet
i figured as much
unfortunately the way my traits line up on some of my gear, 2 DC is better than the other options for me lol
nova rover
Yea I thought it was one DC by law
terse dragon
One DC is good
next goblet
btw.. going full prot dps spec, you do insane damage lol
oblique garnet
define insane
next goblet
well for me at 415 as a tank 20k single target simmed is pretty good
granted thats a sim
when i actually give it a go i'll let ya know how it goes @oblique garnet
sick sentinel
don't really bother lmao
we have people here pulling over 30k st in sims
focus on playing properly
damage will come about
if you run for DPS build and die even once because playing badl'y had dps focused gearset
sick sentinel
I swear to god, go back to playing defensive
you didn't even know sporepods was bad, don't even try going full on damage
go for a balanced build, at most
I only sim 24k rip
don't worry about it
Not counting benthic
yes that's good
24k without benthic is good
oh is it
and without devastator
oblique garnet
im simming 29k without benthic
oblique garnet
oblique garnet
wdym im only 442
ionic fern
- ๐
sick sentinel
The best I can do without benthic is get ashvane trinket and an actual weapon that isn't 425
I need a 5 ilvl upgrade on a single piece
and I am 443
but that's irrelevant
I'm like 442.83
I'm 430
my equippied is like 439 tho
I use 430+s rings over 440 rings
void berry
Is benthic any good for us ? I mean, it can add damage, but it's ilvl capped pretty low compared to mythic raiding. Are the damage worth the stats ?
ionic fern
Oh, i'm actually 432 equipped, forgot i got a new wpn.
oblique garnet
full benthic gear added like 1k extra dps for me
sick sentinel
and you lost how much surv
oblique garnet
I didnt even bother counting
sick sentinel
from bracers okay
20k hp
bracers are low value anyway
but like boots and gloves are massive
mint imp
outcome is clear - dont go for benthic armor. Spend pearls for something else :p
ionic fern
I'm rocking Benethic hands/wrists for DPS.
proper seal
455 boots outta M+ with socket, I'm done for 8.2
sick sentinel
What if I want to be a big DPS gamer that top parses every fight and I still don't die
I would rather use peals for azerite
ionic fern
Granted i don't have a lot better options on those spots anyways. ๐
sick sentinel
1 pearl is 7 residuum
@sick sentinel be better at the game
I already do that
but what if I want to do
even bigger stuff
oblique garnet
dps parses are meh
mint imp
you can buy azerite for pearl and then scrap for residuum?
oblique garnet
Real men go for as low as possible ehrps
sick sentinel
2.5% dps increase for me over 0.6% on boots
void berry
I'll do that too.
sick sentinel
for like the second time ever
strong forum
Gloves are 1.8% but lower chance to drop
Boots are like 0.6% for me
So not even remotely worth the effort
oblique garnet
What were the bracers called?
sick sentinel
Doesn't that add up tho, if you guild sucks buts at dpsing at their full potential
strong forum
Wavecaller
sick sentinel
@sick sentinel just get a reset worth of gear
sick sentinel
and whatever dps check you were failing
you can get through it
but za'quls dps check sucks
strong forum
Are you at zaq?
sick sentinel
are you doing zacool mythic?
sick sentinel
you do realise how giganerfed EP is going to be in 2 weeks
with people reaching 65 neck level
void berry
2 weeks for 65?
oblique garnet
pretty much
void berry
Damn, I hope to get it in 5.
ionic fern
๐
vital willow
Is condom warrior easy to gear?
sick sentinel
I'm not doing WQs I am not doing islands over the cap
and I am 61
just passively
oblique garnet
my monk will hit 57 today and ive been gearing it for a week now
sick sentinel
@vital willow you just wear the highest ilvl
ionic fern
You'll get to 65 eventually anyways so no rush unless your guild imposes some neck level requierment for raiders.
void berry
Started a bit late, doing full Nazjatar, emissaries and 3 islands I'm 59.
Hitting 60 on reset probably.
sick sentinel
60 is big for cof
void berry
But 63 is... Huge.
void berry
Because of the stacking ?
sick sentinel
imagine, if your guild told you
void berry
'cause in the end it having 2 charges only change the opening right ?
sick sentinel
but yeh, imagine if your guild told you
"you need to have neck 65 by the 23rd of august"
ionic fern
Yikes
sick sentinel
and you have been playing since day 1 of the patch
strong forum
I will get 60 this reset
sick sentinel
it's easy
strong forum
I get 50k ap every week passively
sick sentinel
this is rabbit charm week
void berry
I'd probably tell them tl bench me too.
sick sentinel
getting 10k AP without farming that much is easy
oblique garnet
it would take me like 80 hours of constant island spam to get to 65 with just islands
ionic fern
Sure - if i had the time. ๐
void berry
WQ sweep is too much to ask from me.
strong forum
Im not even doing WQs sweep
void berry
It's painful.
oblique garnet
Wq sweep takes like 1 hour
strong forum
If I did WQ sweep I'd be at 61+
ionic fern
I think it comes down to "I don't enjoy this content so fuck it".
sick sentinel
if I did WQ sweep I'd be over 62 by now
strong forum
But raid, m+, emissaries and mission table alone gives you enough for 50k a week
Roughly
And Island cap ofc
void berry
If I did PvP first win, 1k8 rating, WQ sweeps, tons of islands, old raids... I'd be 65 already.
sick sentinel
not really andana
ionic fern
All i do is raid/m+/island cap. And that's that. Don't bother with anything else.
strong forum
Ye pretty much
sick sentinel
same mwahi
I just do some WQs sometimes when I am waiting for people to log on for mplus
oblique garnet
this week you shouldve done wq sweeps tho
sick sentinel
or when I am 1 hour early for raid time
oblique garnet
i will have max paragon chests for next reset
sick sentinel
with 50k/week you will have 65 in 4 weeks from now
10k/day average is more accurate for me though
@oblique garnet I finally got charms
and lyla wants to do islands
we can game some
she also got charms now
sick sentinel
I will farm islands when it's a shit mplus week
this week is good
so I just spam mplus
strong forum
Can't wait for null r3 to get even better parses
willow scarab
I'm finding prog to be more fun when you don't parse tbh
sick sentinel
one day I will join a good guild
and not one that takes 116 pulls to kill ashvane
the truth is if you wanted to prog you should have played a monk
hows ur brew alt coming along @willow scarab
oblique garnet
hey now dont be like that
Bdk has killed azhara
and prot pally has solo tanked swagcool
There is hope 
marble cipher
Prot warriors have killed all bosses too have they not?
willow scarab
it's got a 48 neck and 415 ilvl now
sick sentinel
oblique garnet
they 2 tanked?
marble cipher
wait, they got a kill vid
lemme look it up
yeah, nvm, he was fury on the kill ๐
oblique garnet
thought so
marble cipher
I stand corrected!
sick sentinel
oblique garnet
i think sense is tanking it on warr tho
not sure how close they are to killing it
void berry
I'm leveling a monk myself, but knowing I'll have to farm up the essences...
I'll probably only play it next xpac :')
oblique garnet
yh i mean even looking at the prot pallys log
the dh linked isnt taking too much damage from tether
so its completely viable
its just that you have to be really on alert with the adds because no statue
oblique garnet
one auto from the adds to a clothie might kill them
or bring low enough to die to any mechanic basically
strong forum
:thonk:
marble cipher
@void berry for raiding, you're good with CoF as major essence for monks, Conflict rank 1 is good, Null rank 3 is amazing. No need for anything else ๐
void berry
Null rank 3 is what bothers me the most rly.
void berry
'cause refarming Mechagon... Yikes.
marble cipher
Well, yeah, oscilators are (too) rare I'd say.
But, you'll have to run the daily WQ many many times for the rep, so, you'll end up with enough for the ranks ๐
Though, I'm not re-farming mecha either, did it on monk, that's enough, I'll get null r3 on warrior when I get it
void berry
They should really make some things BoA :(
'cause even the rep BoA wouldn' t solve the issue there given the numbers of oscillators you need.
oblique garnet
make all essences boa except raid, m+ and pvp ones
marble cipher
^
oblique garnet
QoL would be massive
oblique garnet
idm the neck lvl tbh
willow scarab
gear is all that should be specific
void berry
Neck level doesn't matter
strong forum
Neck level account wide would be fucked, you'd grind Island cap on like 200 alts
marble cipher
and the achievement farm ranks too.
Cause for instance for Lucid Dreams, you still need to do the follower xp on all chars where you want the higher ranks on... Even if you've gone through all of it on another char ๐ฆ
void berry
Catching up to a decent lvl is easy.
void berry
Yiu'll get there eventually.
Same can be said about essences I guess.
But man, essences BoA should be real.
marble cipher
Blizz: "It's not about the destination, it's about the journey"
๐
(and then you need to do that journey on all your alts...)
willow scarab
idk man
If I grind hard every day, every week to be at the top 0.1% of neck levels
it's different to a player who's 60 atm
that's why i care more about it being acc wide
orchid token
fumeiyo can u concentrate on ur fuckin raid
oblique garnet
MonkaS
orchid token
and leave the discord shit talking to us
orchid token
this raid actually BIG SUCK
oblique garnet
no i didnt xd
it took me 21
but i really liked the fact that you actually had to do something else as tank other than taunt at 2
orchid token
get me back to orgozoa and ashvane tbh
void berry
We still didn't try Ashvane here...
3/8 for two weeks and "not a good enough comp to even try due to holidays"...
orchid token
what exactly did u need to do
other than taunt at *8
because so far thats what it looks like to me
oblique garnet
When the phase switches from the deterred sentence to no healing you have to be at like 1 stack before that
oblique garnet
it works
willow scarab
deferred has some sort of hidden hp scaling
sick sentinel
diamond prism as well then 
willow scarab
4 stacks hit me for 520k without spark or anything
oblique garnet
thats why you dont get to 4 stacks yikes
willow scarab
last stand/rally was up and i'm 520k base
orchid token
@oblique garnet i dont understand just spellward it
oblique garnet
๐
orchid token
unless u picked the wrong shield tank idk
oblique garnet
@willow scarab Anyone streaming your raid?
ionic swallow
Anyone can tell mi what is bad on this casts. Fight is Queen Azshara HC for 8 wipes.
ionic fern
๐ค
ionic fern
209 devastate casts...
ionic swallow
ionic fern
marble cipher
Seems like very low uptime on most major abilities (Demo, Avatar), and as @ionic fern said, a loooot of devastate casts
ionic swallow
I think that is very low IP casts
oblique garnet
it is that too
tough vault
What are good uptimes?
mint imp
vast horizon flask? You have big problems surviving?
sick sentinel
https://i.imgur.com/vHe9ekC.png stuff like this is why people have low throughput. just press any button at all
exotic spoke
Wat? I mean.... just... does that person not have shield slam bound / why the three seconds without anything
eager tartan
from a DPS pov seems odd to have more dps from devastate than from shield slam
but maybe that's just me
exotic spoke
It didnโt look like he had more dps - just more casts of devastate
eager tartan
fair enough, I'd say pick devaste instead of booming voice and with all due respec use that to learn how to cycle your defensives better
exotic spoke
Disagree
eager tartan
the simpler you play the easier you pick the basics
exotic spoke
Devastator is a survivability loss.
eager tartan
is it really needed on HC?
exotic spoke
Use demon/ avatar on CD
If the person is having issues with surviving then yes. Yes Iโd say it is
weary thorn
^
exotic spoke
Devastator would probably build bad habits for that person.
While devastator is fine, if you know what youโre sacrificing / when to do it and when you canโt - I would advise against it for people struggling
@tough vault IP uptime is not a good measure of if youโre using it enough.
Did you rage cap? If so you didnโt hit it enough (if youโre gcd locked and canโt use revenge)
Did you not have enough rage for shield block? Then you used IP / revenge too much
tough vault
I'm not having any rage issues, I'm wondering what a good uptime would be for Ava/demo/etc.
exotic spoke
Avatar, with visions and lucid, should be close to 65%? I canโt remember honestly. Been using Crucible as a major
Yeah that sounds more accurate late
Demo, should be very high. It has such a short cooldown.
Also, can someone please - for the love of god - make me forget what happened from 10-1130 last night
modest wedge
what happened?
exotic spoke
Shrine 19
Though seeing 450k+ reflects was fun
We had to change our strats for second , third, and fourth bosses for various reasons
tough vault
Are you using WAs for Spell reflect? There's one in the pins but it don't work no more
turbid wing
anyone did a 2 tank strat for Orgozoa with warrior tank? RL mentioned he wanted to try it today but I think that this is done with 2 Monks or did anyone of you did it with warrior too?
spice ferry
Just check if thereโs any logs of it
turbid wing
yeah, just did it. 13 kills with 2 tanks. Double monk everytime.
oblique garnet
if you want to 2 tank it you need double monk
turbid wing
yeah. My monk is not geared enough I think but we have two other monks who could do it. But one of them is going on vacation soon. Well we will see.
oblique garnet
#GiveBackMockingBanner
turbid wing
+1 : (
void berry
Do you think monks should be nerfed somewhat ?
exotic spoke
No, not really. It suits itself for cutting edge content because of stagger but other is blah
exotic spoke
But then you donโt have the other benefits other classes bring
Itโs all a balancing act. Monks are more forgiving in some situations
brittle owl
*most situations
exotic spoke
Fair
oblique garnet
tbh the physical damage debuff shouldnt be a thing that only monks provide same with dh
exotic spoke
Agree
turbid wing
yeah. it is not just possible to get the benefit of these two debuffs
I mean we got intellect and shout scrolls
exotic spoke
What ever happened to bring the player not the class
brittle owl
classes got boring and homogenous
turbid wing
the same thing that happened to "equip always highest ilvl pieces"
brittle owl
but boring is subjective
turbid wing
let's hope that with 9.0 we get a lot of interesting class changes which I doubt
eager tartan
all I hope is they don't demolish the concept of "DPS tank"
brittle owl
i can't think of an expac where tanks weren't able to outdamage a dps that either was slacking or was clueless
it has always been the case
even in the "early days" where people were bad in general, a good tank would make himself noticed since he effectively increased raid dps by doing more damage himself and generating more threat
uneven river
What do you guys prefer Crystalline Carapace or Blood Siphon?
uneven river
Really? I thought it was really good
brittle owl
for a high armor class, gaining some armor is significantly worse
than on say, a DH or a monk
the last time it was good was Uldir, but that was 2 raid tiers ago
uneven river
Makes sense
astral hare
@brittle owl also one good memory is getting to "million class" as warrior tank: 1M dps and hps in single target boss fight ๐
modern brook
why are reddit kids still allowed to have opinions?
Im reading this post on reddit about the MDI and these kids are like prot has received huge buffs ๐ฌ
analog creek
I find most people have really poor opinions, no need to single out the children.
Or might just be better said, "welcome to the internet."
tough vault
It's more that people are far easier to share opinions as fact.
at start of BFA 1 person said "Prot sucks because GCD". What happens - Prot receives way less playtime, and the hivemind decides 'prot is shit'.
unborn island
Prot obviously got massive buffs
our damage output was a negative thing
so tuning it down was a massive buff
otherwise they would've had to nerf us into the ground
so tuning it down was a buff, because it removed the potential for a much bigger nerf.....
maybe?
clutching at straws here
tough vault
suddenly, all MDI teams are running prot and people hop over ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
sick sentinel
well prot was shit
unborn island
Season 1, fair enough ๐
sick sentinel
any force multiplier bros out there noticing their secondary stat uptime is a lot higher than the strength uptime?
is this a secret power or well understood feature of the enchant
lusty grotto
yeah that has been the case for me
sick sentinel
i assume simcraft is accounting for it but wasnt sure
wary lantern
are ppl using nullbarier, or everyone just goes for lucid dreams?
lusty grotto
err actually
just checked a log
rend icon is the str buff
so 48% str, 36% haste, 20% mastery 0.67% crit
on a TD
depends on the content @wary lantern
wary lantern
m+ mostly
lusty grotto
you're not gonna use null on dungeons that have 0 magic damage
cause it's not gonna do anything
sick sentinel
conflict and strife major vop minor
ancient flame minor once you get 3rd slot
hth
sick sentinel
lusty grotto
i gotta be honest that made me laugh
wary lantern
got back to the game tthis week from before the patch
lusty grotto
it'd be a great troll build
wary lantern
so thinking what would be best ot use
lusty grotto
just die laughing every time a melee gets slapped
"i can't control the roots on my claps!"
wary lantern
lol
lusty grotto
null is great in shrine, WM, KR btw
sick sentinel
mobs dont attack the closest player if they get rooted they just stare you down
wary lantern
not motherlode?
lusty grotto
for tyrannical yeah its good
defensivewise
but you want R3 for the damage
as a minor
wary lantern
okay, thanks ๐
lusty grotto
glick you should know how roots work
lusty grotto
why do spotters slap people while rooted though
warm plinth
Only certain mobs abilities hit nearest player when shit is rooted.
sick sentinel
spotters are bugged ass mobs is why
lusty grotto
hmmm
shut summit
Unless they do certain spells like shield bash or w.e then it targets closest person etc
warm plinth
Like spotters meleeing. Rendingslash on honor guards, shield bash on shieldbearers, etc
warm plinth
Btw typing wow abilities on an iPhone is a ducking train wreck.
I left the ducking because it says how I feel
lusty grotto
yo i ran 3 TDs this week and let me tell you
the amount of times a fucking emmisary agroed through a wall
smh
warm plinth
I did a temple last night and the void placements this week are trolly as fuck
โAlright letโs skip hereโ Nope, void there
lusty grotto
hmm idk i didn't really mind the void placements
warm plinth
โAlright weโll skip hereโ. Nope. Void there too
warm plinth
Yeah but at least itโs the first pack in shrine
lusty grotto
im actually impressed that 99% of the voids have LoS spots available
even the FH ones
under the stairs
there are 2 of them right next to stairs that i recall
and then there's the bridge to harlan one
but that's easily LoSable with the bridge's z-axis
warm plinth
The one before the bridge or after?
lusty grotto
after
mystic pilot
am i a massive virgin if i take quick nav instead of force multiplier
warm plinth
I mean, you do you boo
mystic pilot
if i remember correctly quick nav is better for defensive
sick sentinel
do you guys think lucids passive procs often enough or should it proc more often?
feels lackluster
exotic spoke
I mean - it canโt proc if Iโm not using so ill say I want it to proc more
brittle owl
VoP major is a set and forget major
anima is good for grievous
sphere for necro if you need the snare, not very likely doe
the other's aren't worth mentioning tbh
sick sentinel
ive been running anima major and vision minor but i guess i should switch them around
brittle owl
thetes a caveat with anima
sick sentinel
anima minor is not good
vast sedge
Sphere minor imo
brittle owl
you're legit inting
sick sentinel
does sphere give perma haste?
lusty grotto
Anima minor is bad
brittle owl
sphere minor, C&S r3 minor are both good
lusty grotto
I use vop major lucid minor in around 60% of the dungeons, the rest I swap to null r3 minor
brittle owl
lucid dreams could be good as third minor. moar rage
sick sentinel
strife uptime is very good when you have full uptime but it can be finnicky
vast sedge
Null r3 will be my perma minor in the second minor slot
sick sentinel
i dont think i would run strife minor in m+ it takes a while to stack up
brittle owl
strife should be fine on uptime with r3
vast sedge
But 65 ๐ณ
lusty grotto
You don't need sphere minor if you're not pulling big or getting trucked, what key lvls are you doing
sick sentinel
i get like 37 lucid procs throughout a dungeon, doesnt feel like its enough
warm plinth
Why do you say anima isn't worth it until r3?
brittle owl
because its a lackluster heal
sick sentinel
when you run the conflict major you have insta 8 stacks
brittle owl
r3 is a real heal
warm plinth
You get the max damage and lowest CD at rank 2. The only thing that increases at rank 3 is the heal, which isn't why you use it
sick sentinel
sphere minor has a chunk of haste with near full uptime which is what makes it good
warm plinth
What???
brittle owl
as a warrior
sick sentinel
snare and speed are nice bonuses
brittle owl
you're not a dh
lusty grotto
And yes were also not a vdh
sand egret
ahem. My opinion on essences is right and ya'll are wrong. That is all.
brittle owl
vop should net you more overall dmg than the nuke that anima provides
sick sentinel
@sick sentinel even a sphere rank 1 is good enough
but sphere rank 2 is where it's at
lusty grotto
๐ ๐ป
exotic spoke
Personally been running either crucible or anima as major and then visions as minor
For m+
sick sentinel
anima minor heal is around 500hps which is about half of an impassive visage
and that's assuming it never falls off
I run visions major and then I switch minors around
sick sentinel
your opinion is mathematically, factually and universally incorrect. stop it
brittle owl
its there when you need it
lusty grotto
Null r3 minor is secret strat for me on shrine kr and wm
sick sentinel
warm plinth
"Anima minor heal" He's not talking about the nuke.
vast sedge
He said minor not the major
brittle owl
ah ok
exotic spoke
8 more days until null ๐ฆ
sick sentinel
it's fine guys. i just hope for your sakes youre doing those arena weekly chests
brittle owl
yeah anima minor sucks ๐
sick sentinel
everything else will fall into place on its own
brittle owl
didnt pull big enough then
sick sentinel
you can still kite and be in clapping distance
mystic pilot
onto the most important topic, what's the best race for prot both aesthetically and practically?
exotic spoke
Nah, Iโll kite occasionally.
15+ stacks on the eels at the end of shrine for example
vast sedge
@mystic pilot female orc
exotic spoke
Got to 25 last night. Was ticking for 375k or so
sick sentinel
@mystic pilot the one you think looks better except nightbourne
warm plinth
๐
lusty grotto
๐ค ๐คท
sand egret
the correct answer is Dorf. Every other race is just in denial.
exotic spoke
Gnomes and goblins arenโt a meme kid
brittle owl
slap a staff on those bad bois and you're g2g
warm plinth
I second what Blade said
sick sentinel
lusty grotto
youre gonna summon catfriend
exotic spoke
Lol
lusty grotto
1 sec i got you
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills.
lusty grotto
that was the short version
brittle owl
who you calling kid
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills.
exotic spoke
do you guys like save those copy pastas?
brittle owl
or just say you cba to copy pasta
lusty grotto
your age is showing riki
brittle owl
and a wild @lusty grotto will appear
sick sentinel
actual boomer
exotic spoke
Up too late dealing with Ebola
brittle owl
F
exotic spoke
I despise shrine
exotic spoke
17 went so smooth.
brittle owl
you wanna say the n word
exotic spoke
19 didnโt
lusty grotto
i like shrine after the nerfs, change my mind
exotic spoke
405% increase damage / hp on trash
607 % hp and 480% damage on bosses
lusty grotto
youre just getting me hot and bothered
exotic spoke
608% I think sorry
brittle owl
you know what's really aids after the changes
exotic spoke
Though reflects for 450k to 500k was sexy
brittle owl
kr and td
lusty grotto
td yes
brittle owl
on teeming gotta fkin murder the whole instance
lusty grotto
kr is not bad
brittle owl
kr on teeming absolutely is
lusty grotto
with the bigger timer it's not that bad at all
exotic spoke
TD wasnโt bad last night
lusty grotto
fuck td man
brittle owl
well yeah but conceptuall
exotic spoke
Just did our old route basically
brittle owl
and yeah fk td
lusty grotto
like what the fuck is up with emmisaries agroing through the wall
brittle owl
i actually think
dk/vdh is bis in td just for the qol of being able to get value from the cannons
exotic spoke
And it went smoothly - almost two chested a 16.
sick sentinel
i miss legion dungeons
lusty grotto
why don't we have a rose tinted glasses emoji
sand egret
really should lol
exotic spoke
@brittle owl we get value from our rogue doing it. Just tricks to me out of Los and shoot
brittle owl
yeah but you could pull more for 1 cannon if you had a grip
lusty grotto
warbringer pre-nerf
sand egret
warbringer
brittle owl
and get better value
exotic spoke
Maw
sand egret
annnd im out
lusty grotto
crashing while dropping from skyhold on azsuna
exotic spoke
Shoot the second pack to pull them into the front pack and youโre good
brittle owl
yeah but i mean
lusty grotto
VOLCANIC
brittle owl
pulling more than the 2
fresh valley
TD is the one dungeon i haven't even timed as +10 yet ๐ฎ
brittle owl
all dungeons are facerolls on 10-12
exotic spoke
Could have our HDH do it but yeah they hit hard at higher levels
brittle owl
bop pull๐
lusty grotto
presses spell reflect
exotic spoke
Who brings a paladin?
brittle owl
meh
sand egret
tbh Ret pumps
brittle owl
just cuz they deal with both emmisaries by thenselves
lusty grotto
did someone say rogue?
exotic spoke
Rdruid pumps and handles tides / enchanted by the selves + brez + pumping hps and dps
lusty grotto
nimchy
sand egret
why not just be a druid yourself and handle all the emissaries solo?
brittle owl
hpala is arguably the same tbh
sand egret
HEK
lusty grotto
jk i have no alts anymore because fuck grinding for essences
exotic spoke
Except then Iโd have to swap the Druid out and we donโt have a hpal with the same experience
brittle owl
i mean yeah
sick sentinel
hi
brittle owl
that dun mean that other healers are bad
sick sentinel
I was poked
exotic spoke
He is thinking of swapping but not yet. Catching up will take forever
lusty grotto
50%party
brittle owl
my warr is still 412 ilvl with a 45 neck
fresh valley
i saw yamorino on my shard the other day, i felt honored by his presence
lusty grotto
like why arent essences account bound
exotic spoke
I never said they where Maelkenar but an hpal would be bad for our current group make up
vast sedge
Lots of healers can do the dmg Druids can now or a little more. Itโs the little things they enable in certain pulls that other healers canโt do that make them #1
brittle owl
your face had makeup
lusty grotto
gonna tweet Blizzard CS
brittle owl
gotem
exotic spoke
Rip
lusty grotto
"pls make essences account bound"
exotic spoke
Lol yeah we good man.
Glimmer is super strong
brittle owl
also
sick sentinel
hello what is the issue
brittle owl
@vast sedge you'd be surprised the shit aura mastery enables
lusty grotto
imagine glimmer not being nerfed
sick sentinel
what are we talking about
lusty grotto
nothing
sick sentinel
why was I pinged
lusty grotto
just saying you had an hpal
brittle owl
nothing
brittle owl
double hpal is hilarious in 2's
vast sedge
@brittle owl not disagreeing just saying so many popular strats and pulls are already known with a rdruid