counted absorbed damage
#protection
orchid token
thats part of why BDK lost so much healing going into BFA
because bone shield changed from a DR% coded as an absorb to armor
and death strike counted absorbs but not armor DR
distant crystal
weird that they didn't fix that behavior with ashvane's carapace
foggy pollen
not really sure what to pick for my traits, i rolled the rando 430 azerite piece twice and didnt get anything with bastion, idk if i just scrap them to keep my 3 stacks of bastion or use them
the piece i picked to use has deafening crash which i need to keep, but idk to use bloodsport or blood rite, at around 20% passive haste
neat lagoon
well what level are your pieces you have on now?
foggy pollen
405 helm (BoM,brace for impact), 420 shoulder (BoM, brace), 405 chest (deafening crash, BoM)
oblique garnet
Switch your 405s
neat lagoon
if you 430 has deafening than replace teh chest
the item level while still having 2 bom is fine
prolly better
foggy pollen
ok, i rolled two chests trying to get decent traits on them, i shoulda grabbed a helm instead of the second one but i guess i can take an offspec piece. what would you say for second trait between bloodsport and blood rite (834 haste proc)
neat lagoon
well me personally
warm plinth
Blood Rite
foggy pollen
7k dmg reduction on bloodsport doesnt seem that great
neat lagoon
i just love getting a F ton of haste
so Bloodrite is me choice
damage reduction? who cares pump out that DPS
foggy pollen
thats what i was thinking, cool thanks for the help
sick sentinel
What's a good way to taunt swap on mythic fishie boy
silk gazelle
to get the prot essence do I need to have prot in loot spec for M+?
cinder pasture
@silk gazelle yep, you do
sharp abyss
I have a 425 Seal of the regal loa and a 430 jade Ophidian band and a 430 ring of the highborne courtier and a 425 Oversear's lost Seal which one should i use
or combo
sick sentinel
kk that's what I just did and we got the kill
hallow phoenix
@sharp abyss when they're all close in ilvl like that I use haste > crit > everything else for ring stat choices. I mostly do m+ though
What stats do the rings have
sharp abyss
I am a M+ runner msotly to but i picked out thanks thoug
odd crown
anyone have a WA to tell what i can spell reflect?
undone sun
there's one in #268491842637660160
sick sentinel
What's around the average damage you guys do in keys
ember arrow
Wow good?
slim pier
no
nova rover
Hey guys, @undone sun if you are around and have tackled it, Lady Ashvane, the Barnacle Bash, how do you guys handle it
nova rover
I am not sure haha
He just usually knows ๐
But we are having issues with Lady Ashvane, I cannot say its a big issue with me, but they have had it in our hands, What I seem to see if that the bubble is not dpsed quick enough
orchid token
the barnacle bash is nothing special
stack it if you can
otherwise just move the boss away
nova rover
Well we, as the tanks, would end up with 2 or 3 and about at would die when she was 20%
There was one person stating that they read in the guide we should always be able to stay at 1, however when we explained we were bubbled they kept on laying it on the tanks
sick sentinel
mhh i think im lucky got a wm crit trinket on 450 with socket ๐
neat prism
does ablative shielding stack?
sharp night
the armor does yes
neat prism
Sweet! Thanks!
strong forum
But it's a bad trait for warrior
mortal carbon
which one ๐ค
sick sentinel
2nd
solid pendant
for bosses prolly Dreams End. You can translate the 7% (assuming it has close to 100% uptime) to the amount of haste you would need and see how much that is.
strong forum
left for m+, right for raid
raw gyro
is quick navi still the best enchant?
mortal carbon
ty ty
spice ferry
@raw gyro is the best overall, force multiplier for dps
though sim yourself to confirm FM is dps
oblique garnet
Force multiplier undersims ๐
spice ferry
why does it undersim
raw gyro
ok ty!
sick sentinel
Playing with devastator feels so awkward
sometimes you don't even do anything for like 2/3 seconds
just sit there
lol
Is that just bad rng or scuffed rotation
strong forum
rng
oblique garnet
no
hallow phoenix
For single target DPS generally yes
oblique garnet
dont use cyclotronic when youre tanking tho
oblique garnet
nome not everyone has 1.9k haste
hallow phoenix
Just pop shield wall for it ... Get that parse
Anyone know if they changed grongs trinket too? Used to be able to block during it but I'm not sure now
I have a nice one I still use for parses
fallow beacon
ashvane ded lads
strong forum
gratz
hallow phoenix
Grats
fallow beacon
didnt get coral trinket tho rip
spice ferry
what you guys think of the 415 haste trink from world boss
fallow beacon
garbo isnt it?
strong forum
meh
hallow phoenix
The 30 sec duration one?
spice ferry
ye
hallow phoenix
I think only Hpals really want it lol
Our hpal went nuts over it when he got a socketed one
opaque shuttle
Concentrated flame is a good essence or it's only used for pure dps ?
With dps trait
hallow phoenix
I use it for single target DPS
opaque shuttle
Mmh yeha ok there is no other purpose than dps
opaque shuttle
Perfection isn't the mandatory choise for major ??
sick sentinel
a lot of people are using Flame with VoP minor or Flame, magic barrior minor
No it's not
you can
but for pure dps reasons
Flame is better
Dps + surv VoP is good too
opaque shuttle
Yeah, and do i need dps traits to use it or it doesn't matter
I mean dps traits give a lot ??
sick sentinel
A lot of the bosses in mythic are more dps checks and pushes with simple mechanics
I'd focus on maximizing dps
depend on skill tho
if you have to have surv, do it
a dead tank does no dps and wipes a raid :4head:
hallow phoenix
lot of people in my raid tell me tank dps doesnt matter
but the boss dgaf where the damage comes from...
sick sentinel
Tank dps not mattering in mythic prog :4head:
hallow phoenix
exactly
such a weird mentality to have. Like i can do 10k dps or i could do 24k
who wouldnt want an extra 14k
sick sentinel
Your raid
hallow phoenix
๐ฆ
sick sentinel
The ashvane trinket sims almost 5k higher than my current trinkets on both slots
5%*
feelsbadman
I needs it
hallow phoenix
whats our second best raid dps trinket? Inkpod?
planning my rerolls for next week
twilit oar
quick question guys, I got one handed sword from orgozoa, 415 with socket.. but also got a 425 one handed axe from waycrest the one that does a power strike or whatever. Would the 425 be better just because of the ilvl?
oblique garnet
425
twilit oar
is the sword 10% dmg reduc that bad?
twilit oar
oh u just always prio ilvl
ah
well.. 10 ilvl increase but yeh its better?
hmm thank you
sick sentinel
@sick sentinel coral might sim high but it is not as practical in dungeons
thing about coral in dungeons is when your target dies you get the crit without triggering the cd
you just just put it on the target that you think will die last and you pull the next pack as soon as that target dies
and because you extracted with the target dying you can just use it again on pull
but it is not going to work that well in say KR for example
and it's not going to perform as good as the sims say, so it's a lot of nuisance for very little gain
sick sentinel
In raids I mean
I don't care for keys that much
for trnkets
this was a waycrest
LMAO
er
motherload
didn't beat the enh shammy
I suck ass
I was running devastator on accident tho
so maybe that's why
strong forum
thats some weird spread of dmg
sick sentinel
It was a meme key
strong forum
typically if you can hit 30k the rest of the group can hit 50k
sick sentinel
If it was an actual key, with actual dps
I can actually pull way bigger and nuke big packs
opaque shuttle
Is it worth going dps build for 4k dps increase ?
sick sentinel
Yes lol
opaque shuttle
rank 3 of concentrated flame is mandatory ? Cuz i actually only have the rank 2
night spindle
willow scarab
yeah big dps increase
sick sentinel
Do I have to pull everything ? or can I skip the first 4 golems
willow scarab
How many stacks of deferred sentence is everyone tanking on queen's court
plush garden
Hi guys, can you please tell me what's the best job for warrior protection ? I mainly play in MM+
trim bay
i would assume tanking
undone sun
might be meaning profession ๐
oblique garnet
you dont take 8 stacks of deferred sentence
@willow scarab You talking court ye?
move at 3
sick sentinel
oh I was thinking taunt
junior ivy
hi
undone sun
hi
junior ivy
how are you all
low steppe
At least you didn't have to be at work at 6am like i did. lol
sick sentinel
Sleepy but I had to attend a thing
potent anvil
Maybe mods will give me my name back today 
low steppe
I saw you guys talking about a dps build. I've been looking everywhere and I can't find it. It's probably right in front of my face and I'm just blind to it. Can someone help me with it?
sick sentinel
@low steppe you mean devastator?
low steppe
Is that what it is? I'd have to look at my numbers when I get home but I've been running keys and my damage done just seems low compared to some of the screenshots I see here
undone sun
biggest variance to dps builds in keys is trinket choices
sick sentinel
And pull sizes
sick sentinel
Also I do more dps with my 420 bom/ms/uf shoulders compared to my 445 bfi/if shoulders
Even though the 445 make me tankier
junior ivy
i have so many mosquito bites all over my legs im gonna go crazy i feel like i got chicken pox
low steppe
Thanks guys. I'll just play around with my gear and see what works. Thankfully the dps I run with are pretty strong
tough vault
So in order to be a better M+ tank I decided to finally go into LFG and just pick whatever.
TD+5, fine.
sign up, join
"OMG FINALLY! YAAAY"
tank privilege is real.
sick sentinel
You can literally queue up to anything and get invited
tough vault
yeah but the fuckin reaction is what got me man
these guys didn't know the tacts for last boss - we could have +2d it had they known about heartstopper
and they probably never tackle that content regularly
felt like Keanu Reeves for a minute ๐
wide spindle
Hey guys, would u prefer the red punchcard with 1200 haste on proc or the heal every 1 sec as a prot?
sick sentinel
Haste
wide spindle
Thanks @sick sentinel
tough vault
Is there an ideal layout for the punchcard?
unborn cloud
How good is the tank trinket from ashvane?
sick sentinel
Pretty damn good at what it's doing
Like it offers no damage so personally I would very very rarely use it
But if all you care is surv then it's good shit
@tough vault not really
tough vault
I'm sitting on a stack of different punchcards, but am currently running alchemy tidestone (about to upgrade it to max) and Lingering Sporepods.
no idea if punchcard would be an upgrade
sick sentinel
Basically any punchcard would be an upgrade over sporepods
tough vault
cool, gonna check what I got ๐
unborn cloud
how is the dodge red punch card? im assuming the red haste proc is better
opaque shuttle
Someone knows how to read logs ?
tough vault
... There's no upgraded version of Computation device right? like it's 400 and gets higher with sockets -- and it cant forge?
warm plinth
Correct
sharp abyss
I am 427 and I want to get better at doing keys and I feel like I stuggle in 10's and 11's right now and was looking for some tips
tough vault
link raider,io maybe, so we can have a look at gear?
deep steppe
Ok so I have an Azerite Trait question y'all, cause Bloodmallet and droptimizer are giving me different things so I figured I'd come to the experts.
Right now I have the:
Benthic Helm (435) with Bastion of Might and Undulating Tides
Pauldrons of Fanatical Might (430) with Deafening Crash and Undulating Tides
Now Chest is where I'm torn. Should I be going for Desert Guardians Breastplate at 445? Take Deafening Crash and Bastion allowing me to remove Deafening on my shoulders and insert Bastion there? Or. Should I go for Ashavanes Warden's Cuirass, which has Bastion and Meticulous Scheming?
warm plinth
@unborn cloud Not sure much exploration has been done with that particular punchcard. It is possible to fully stack it and maintain it (it is challenging though) in M+ but I wouldn't say it would be better than another punchcard.
tough vault
@deep steppe had a similar issue. Now running Benthic helm BOM, Desert guardian for TC
though from IcyV guide I read shoulders are the best thing to gamble on, if you are gonna gamble.
warm plinth
@sharp abyss What exactly do you struggle with? Surviving?
tough vault
@sharp abyss I think your gear is fine. Do you pug? Do you know your healer?
deep steppe
From what I've read, I've already got bis helm and shoulders, just trying to pick a chest and which Azerites to roll around with
warm plinth
99% of the time, having trouble surviving is because you aren't playing properly. Prioritizing the wrong spells, not using things on CD, etc.
tough vault
@deep steppe https://raider.io/characters/eu/argent-dawn/Daune running this rn.
BoM stacked, and 1 BFI and 1 UT because I also raid tank.
oblique garnet
undulating memes is by far not bis trait btw
tough vault
Benthic helm, bis shoulders for dps iirc, and desert guardian for chest
sharp abyss
I pug and I struggle a little bit with surviving and sometimes I will do a guild group
warm plinth
But Late, muh sims!
tough vault
@oblique garnet yeah I'm just fiddling with it. 2x BFI or 1x BFI+1xUT
oblique garnet
You drop once below the treshold and the trait is doing nothing for the next 45 seconds :))
deep steppe
Thanks @tough vault ! I was leaning towards that chest to begin with, but this confirms my suspicions!
oblique garnet
im only running it because the alternative on my chest is CR
warm plinth
Lol, I was actually gonna ask, it disables the proc for the 45 seconds too?
oblique garnet
yes
warm plinth
That's fucked ๐
tough vault
may as well pop a CD and spam IP then ๐
sick sentinel
The dodge card stacks up to 99 btw
warm plinth
Struggling in a +10 at 427 ilevel with a 430 shield and good traits sounds like a you problem, no offense intended.
tough vault
... the punchcard Overclock can drop as 420, too?
warm plinth
There are some exceptions like ML 3rd/4th boss, but if it's a general problem, it's probably you.
It can forge as well ydara, so you can get a pretty high one
Or wait
stoic pilot
with the race sims on bloodmallet for dark iron does the API assume you're not purging any debuffs with fireblood?
warm plinth
Yeah
Any that can drop can forge I think
But tbh never seen a red one forge
now that I think about it
They get better with the yellow punchcard though iirc
warm plinth
Idk. I'm sure TA is fun for the memes; I just don't know how realistic it really is to use.
sick sentinel
@warm plinth reds can forge
warm plinth
Good to know
tough vault
yeah, but it'd still be an upgrade over seedpod or w/e
warm plinth
The 404 is an upgrade over seedpods though; isn't it only 410?
solid pendant
id probably take the haste proc since dodge does 0 against magic abilities and ive only ever had problems with these
sick sentinel
@tough vault put the vers crit in
And it increase how much haste the red gives you
warm plinth
Yeah, blues have no effect on it anyway; one of my toons doesn't even have a blue in his ๐
tough vault
ilvl cheese, right? or does that slot not count?
warm plinth
Blue doesn't count
willow scarab
the spare parts blue card is nice
warm plinth
Yeah my DH uses that one. Usually I just put in whichever one I get first lol
tough vault
๐
warm plinth
That's a neat looking character screen
undone sun
Narcissus
tough vault
Deja fucks with Elvui so I'll just resort to this for stats lol
sick sentinel
I want to get this as well
undone sun
i used to use it, really good addon ๐
tough vault
warm plinth
Oh. I remember someone mentioning this before, but there was something about it that made me not want it
sick sentinel
I'll get it eventually
warm plinth
Can't remember what though
tough vault
it hijacks your equipment preview/dressing room too, that may be it
undone sun
it did have some controversy about editing text files implying it got people banned like lucidmorph/tmorph
but that's all bullshit
people were just trying to throw blame
opaque shuttle
Someone knows how to read logs ?
molten rivet
Is Leviathan's Eye of Strength still not worth it over a +50 haste gem?
warm plinth
Both str gems are worth using over haste gems.
molten rivet
I've heard otherwise?
sick sentinel
You've heard wrong?
warm plinth
Well, the person you heard it from is incorrect.
sick sentinel
I personally use the 120 str but not the 80 str
Because I prog raids as fury
But I would if I was full on prot
molten rivet
Quoting the wowhead prot guide: "Wearing pure secondary stat gems is preferable."
warm plinth
Your first mistake was trusting the wowhead guide.
molten rivet
So Marok over at icyveins is still the goto?
warm plinth
Yep.
silver tangle
guys what is the best benthic armor for raid ?
molten rivet
Interesting!
sick sentinel
@silver tangle not using benthic
warm plinth
That and certain people in this Discord.
sick sentinel
Unless you wanna parse
silver tangle
i'm not aswell
molten rivet
Well parsing is often what I'm after
silver tangle
like i'm high geared but wan to use one
sick sentinel
If you wanna sacrifice a lot of surv for more dps use gloves wrists and boots
Maybe a belt
tough vault
@sick sentinel ... so you'd suggest 2 BFI rather than 1 bfi/1 UT for raids + M+?
undone sun
healing parses ๐
molten rivet
I'm having Legion flashbacks
silver tangle
@sick sentinel thanks a lot
olive lotus
I know that the general rule is go for the item level but, 420 butchers block or 440 big red button?
sick sentinel
What's your other trinket
sick sentinel
Yeah go butchers
oblique garnet
Wdym we are not going rank 1 healing parses i just got one from court ?
oblique garnet
Private logs :<
undone sun
excuses
willow scarab
I played immaculately on our orgo kill but 20 dps log 59 healing
pre pull last stand not going to add to my pad ๐ฆ
not on adds, full defensive build
oblique garnet
yh i played full turtle on court aswell
willow scarab
i've felt high since the orgo kill
we finessed the fuck out of it with the other boss tank dying and us having a delicate juggle
then on the ramp i had to soak 3 halfway down so i combine voild elf raical heroic leap and speed pot into a lock portal to just make it down in time
kinda wish i was 4 nights so i could keep up with the prog of the top guilds
oblique garnet
Azhara gonna make me play brm ๐ฆ
willow scarab
is your brm geared with a neck though?
oblique garnet
yeah i just joined 4day raiding
56 neck will prolly get 58-59 when we get to azhara
but missing important essences
oblique garnet
See if i dont have a monk im sitting on the bench 8)
warm plinth
But your war is still benched. And isnโt that the same feeling? ๐ฆ
undone sun
but that's justwait ๐ค
oblique garnet
Not really i still get to raid
tardy surge
Is Devastator the to go talent for EP? Looking at a lot of stats and logs and it at least seems that way?
ebon berry
is anyone using Lingering Sporepods? I have it as 30 ilvl increase over Jes' Howler
oblique garnet
Press F
sick sentinel
F
@tardy surge it's the top dps talent not the best to use
You're sacrificing a lot of surv and flexibility for 1k dps
analog swift
@ebon berry they're called shitpods for a reason
then again 30 ilvls probably puts it ahead because Jes' howler doesn't line up w/ cds that well anyway
willow scarab
People use it to meet dps checks and makeup for missing gear
Then people who don't fully understand prot copycat the builds
Use what you're comfortable with, copying people's builds - especially the top % doesn't make sense
next goblet
does reckless fury still boost devastator damage?
warm plinth
Auto attacks, Devastator, and Reckless Flurry are all separate sources of damage. The latter two just occur at the same time as auto attacks.
next goblet
but it still technically boosts our tank damage correct?
willow scarab
not technically
it directly, undeniably, straight up, confirmed boosts your tank damage
warm plinth
They add to your damage but one does not increase the other
next goblet
okay
willow scarab
If you're looking for tank damage you should be simming anyway
oblique garnet
This is current top log from court damage taken wise
willow scarab
That will give you specific answers
warm plinth
Discord is loading pictures hella slow for me today
willow scarab
We're only 10 pulls in and 1/3 of the fight but so far there's no damage in court
next goblet
waiting on these bad bois to load lol
next goblet
wow
willow scarab
that's actually really impressive
our orgo kill was scuffed so ehrps is messy but i had 83% mitigation on the kill
felt so tanky
took less damage than a healer and some dps
willow scarab
he ran flurry
oblique garnet
yeah
willow scarab
full cheese dps build
which i agree with tbh
low damage fight and 50% is tanking a caster
oblique garnet
yeah i couldve pushed alot more damage
willow scarab
how many pulls did you spend on court
is it unrealistic to kill it in 4 hours in tomorros raid
warm plinth
Discord what is the matter with you today lol
oblique garnet
uhh idk this was my 2nd raid on the guild basically
we went in oneshotted it ๐คท
willow scarab
truuueeee
analog swift
btw is there a way to filter out EHRPS from yourself
or am i dumb
I see this
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/wKbYWRJXtCxaBqcH#fight=1&type=damage-taken&options=130
and want to take out the healing tanks did to themselves
analog swift
yeah i mean i can see how much healing i did to myself compared to the healing others did
sick sentinel
@next goblet MS outsims RF sometimes and it is also insanely good for mitigation
next goblet
ms?
warm plinth
Meticulous Scheming
oblique garnet
meticulous scheming
shut summit
Yea we needed so much dmg to meet requirements, some of our dps were ๐ฌ
Solo tankin zaqul is fun tho, tryin to keep dh I'm tethered to alive
oblique garnet
O
Was actually about to ping you about that how is the damage intake on the dh from the warrior ? @shut summit
shut summit
Non-existent really
oblique garnet
same as brm?
shut summit
Been to about 40% ish and hasn't needed anything really, will hopefully see later parts of fight tonight and see how it is
clear sapphire
I mean if your DPS are bad by the time most guilds get to Zaq...... Shouldn't be hard to make the check with 2 tanks by then when ppl are pushing 440 ilvl
dusky summit
is sporepods a meme or is it ok in m+?
lusty grotto
you mean free expulsom?
warm plinth
@fierce juniper Can sporepods be the new :literalgarbage: please? ๐
next goblet
theres a reason its nicknamed shitpods
sick sentinel
Because it's shit
warm plinth
Yeah but I feel like he's more likely to give us :literalgarbage: back than :shitpods: lol
sick sentinel
True
undone sun
https://i.imgur.com/YQuYCPF.jpg Icon for emoji use
sick sentinel
Good one late
onyx vessel
Im still using 385 prism lol
warm plinth
o_o;
onyx vessel
Got edict drop a few weeks back but since im dps for raids i had to give it up
Then got kicked from that guild
๐ค
warm plinth
Yikes
outer dew
What is a fairy raider
sick sentinel
did someone say there was a weak aura for reflecting abilities in dungeons?
undone sun
sick sentinel
ty
carmine light
What essences are people running in mythic plus
Who made the weakaura that shows what spells can be reflected with sr?
tough vault
I've not had any success with that WA
undone sun
marok did
carmine light
Ty
sick sentinel
in freehold second boss, do i just have to stand max range in order for the blade to come back to the dude?
eternal plover
Yes, but it works to back pedal a little when the blade is close, so you avoid getting one shot on higher keys
tender igloo
How much haste is too much? I love stacking haste for raid but I'm wondering where the cap is at
stuck crown
I literally have every trinket from H EP. Which ones should I be using? Currently doing urchin and coral
tender igloo
edict can be pretty strong. I'm using coral right now though
stuck crown
I use chain of suffering on orgozoa
tender igloo
wait, urchin
stuck crown
but besides that its coral and urchin
tender igloo
using that one
I don't really need anything extra for orgo, he doesn't hit me nearly as hard as our off tank since you can block
I open the fight with shield wall and take no damage
onyx vessel
@outer dew ppl that cant take a anything and get upset easily
stuck crown
at this point I think I could stack critical strike and go full DPS trinkets and be just fine. Even mythic doesnt seem to do a bunch of dmg
onyx vessel
Its physical
stoic pilot
Sorry to ask this again, but does the API for dark iron dwarf account for any debuffs being purged with fireblood? Or is it set to 0
Was curious if dark iron reliably sims higher than normal dwarf if youโre getting 1-3 debuffs purged with it each use (m+ mainly)
onyx vessel
Simming prot warriors ๐ค
warm plinth
I mean, we have working sims. If your concern is DPS, then sims is how you gear for it.
stoic pilot
My only grievance with being dark iron is I feel Iโm holding my racial for far too defensive use in which case I may be better off being dwarf since the dmg aspect is passive and stoneform is reserved purely for defensive
onyx vessel
Marco it too avatar and forget it
stoic pilot
Was just curious if it was possible to potentially set an amount of debuffs you purge with fireblood or alter the strength you gain from it in the API
Iโm not interested in your bad advice madjay.
onyx vessel
Shit
warm plinth
I'm sure there is; I don't know how to do it though. My guess as far as how it sims baseline is with zero consumed things.
warm plinth
Since that's the only reliable way to sim it; can't guarantee any number of debuffs.
stoic pilot
Yeah thatโs a fair point
hardy mesa
3 BoM or 2 Bom and 1 DC?
warm plinth
If it's your only DC trait, use the DC
onyx vessel
Dc is amazing dps as well as surv
ionic frost
lusty grotto
you can check out the icy veins guide for it, it should be in the pins or in #268491842637660160
dull bison
Anyone aware why frenetic charge on queens court goes on tank from time to time?
wispy plume
It should never be cast on the tank. There used to be a bug that if you taunted right before he charged you would take the damage. Thatโs how most top guilds did it during progression
Iโm not sure if that bug has been fixed or not
valid dirge
What makes prot warriors still viable for m+ after the dmg nerfs? I see a lot of teams using them for MDI. I know they have a lot of physical mitigation, but why not bdk, pala or monks?
lusty grotto
tanks are close balance wise but teams are just used to using prot
lusty grotto
and that of course
sick sentinel
blood just falls over
valid dirge
Yea, blood has the magic mitigation, but the essences kinda fix that i guess
sick sentinel
paladins can straight up die to some mechaincs on tyrr (lord waycrest for example)
no, blood just falls over
like, VDH is just a better bdk rn
valid dirge
Hmm alright, so prot warr is purely because of the best mitigation in the game, and maybe a bit that they're used to it
native mantle
guys, i feel like i finally did decently tanking in m+
could i ask if anyone can tell me if there are big mistakes in my play on this log
i know this isnt log review but im looking for prot specific help so idk if it was the irght place to post there :D
lusty grotto
block looks good
you weren't safeguard
this is a 10 but
you should understand higher key lvl tyrannical
safeguard helps on 3 bosses
gold spit, drain fluids, bleeds on council
native mantle
so i should safeguard the ppl that have this?
native mantle
ye i noticed the 10 saved my ass a few times
lusty grotto
you should know that FH and KR tyrannical basically require safeguard on higher keys
native mantle
i see
native mantle
awesome
im maining dps but i tank in m+ to help me farm KR
and to get into groups more easily while i build my score
thanks a lot, now i know how i should continue to play in m+
tawny maple
yo is anyone else Warcraft logs not able to download the new update?
jade olive
Ok... Im confused... Trinkets: IcyVeins tells me to use my Pocket-Sized trinket (420 Overclock, 171 haste, 57 crit) and 440 Jes Howler. However, when I sim them, I should use 415+s Blindstone and 430 Big Red Button.... What should I do? go with IV or sim? Thoughts?
shut summit
Twitter
warm plinth
Yeah but it's not like you have to have WCL uploader open all the time
lusty grotto
yeah that's true
i just have an inherent hate towards it
thinking as a dev
but i get why they're doing it
nobody ever uses adobe air anymore
sacred roost
What do I need to do, as prot to maximise dps?
oblique garnet
Use abilities on cd
Like i dont know how to respond to such broad question
In what scenario raids m+?
What fight etc
sacred roost
mainly on ashvane, but m+ would be good.
but what essenses and traits should I take?
oblique garnet
On ashvane get null barrier rank 3 and crucible major if youre 60neck
sacred roost
talents wise I'm using 1123211 which I can't see changing.
been using vision rrank 2, and Lucid rank 3.
lusty grotto
you will probably do more dps on ashvane going RF + Deva
on M+ the standard DC + 3 BoM, BV
oblique garnet
I wouldnt recommend using rf blindly you cant tell what kind of situation he is in
Are his healers good etc hows their dps
lusty grotto
yeah that's true
oblique garnet
How good he is
tough vault
I dump rage if my avatar aint near being up before dps phase
lusty grotto
i mean.. you should be dumping rage always
oblique garnet
Like if you just blindly recommend using rf + devastator it will backfire when the player is not competent etc
lusty grotto
if you're capping, you're not prot'ing right
tough vault
yeah but like.. more extreme
brittle owl
rage is a pump n dump scheme
tough vault
like 90s kids tv show EXTREME
I'll forego a SB i.e.
bc other cooldowns are up before that
what's RF again?
warm plinth
Reckless Flurry
sacred roost
Bastion of Might, Deafening crash, what's BV?
warm plinth
Booming Voice
lusty grotto
booming voice
sacred roost
RF is fury only, isn't?
tough vault
Yeah I was already wondering where that one came from
lusty grotto
if you don't know what you're doing, disregard it
sacred roost
He said RF + Deva and I'm trying to figure out what that is ๐
lusty grotto
warm plinth
It's a Fury trait, but the added damage works in Prot as well.
lusty grotto
more specifically, it works with devastator
tough vault
So the trait is active for prot despite being on fury spec? I never knew az gear worked like that.
sacred roost
that seems like a bug?
lusty grotto
its not a bug
warm plinth
You have to switch to Fury to activate it, but when you switch back, it works on prot as well.
twilit oar
https://gyazo.com/16e71365105f01751431d4f8b3525867 is dis good? ๐
twilit oar
idk i just wanted to brag i got some wrists sarcastically hence the emoji
twilit oar
well i had 415 socket b4 ๐
sacred roost
So BoI isn't any good anymore?
warm plinth
Just let the guy be happy about his drop Nim, shit
twilit oar
so huge upgrade
sick sentinel
It works like that for many specs
oblique garnet
What
spice ferry
Bol?
oblique garnet
No
sacred roost
Brace for Impact
oblique garnet
boM is still one of the best traitd
Yes brace for impact is also one of the best traitd
Traits
twilit oar
i still need BoM on helmet.. im running 2 BoM and 2 def crash... :/
lusty grotto
someone was gonna do it anyway ๐
warm plinth
In Nim's defense, saying one trait is good doesn't mean another is bad smfh
tough vault
Why is Devastator such a meme? ๐
warm plinth
I can't
warm plinth
Let's be clear about something. Unless you're parsing like mid-90s and need some extra damage to get to the 99-100 mark, you shouldn't be concerning yourself with RF+Deva
twilit oar
uhmmm question, I see most gemming crit and some gemming haste, what am I gemming?
idk if I can sim prot can I?
warm plinth
You can, but only for damage
lusty grotto
you gem STR then haste
twilit oar
yeh I got the 2 stre gems.. Ok I take haste
so why are some going crit?
is it better for st?
lusty grotto
is what better for ST?
sick sentinel
Because multiple reasons
twilit oar
crit
sick sentinel
Just gem haste
lusty grotto
crit is for M+
twilit oar
I am only doing m+ tbh on my warrior. But even top warrior in m+ was using haste gem
warm plinth
Just gem haste
twilit oar
ait
tough vault
iirc:
raid > haste + vers
M+ > haste + crit
general > full haste like a madman
lusty grotto
are you running the same key levels as "top warrior"?
sick sentinel
Thanks ydara I was just typing that
tough vault
lusty grotto
if no, then what does it matter what he's using?
sick sentinel
@twilit oar I can give you a longer explanation
tough vault
I am a madlad that just went full haste
sick sentinel
But the answer is just "haste haste haste"
twilit oar
idc what he's using I just thought they was a specific gem u go for.. like my druid I take intell/haste
warm plinth
Yeah you want the two str gems, then haste
warm plinth
yw bb
tough vault
haste is basically.. more speed on abilities so more damage in same time.
crit increases your dmg + block iirc?
warm plinth
๐
oblique garnet
@undone sun help they are losing control
lusty grotto
lmao
tough vault
halp
sick sentinel
There are reasons to gem or even enchant crit and it's not necessarily wrong but you'd rather gem haste
@tough vault crit gives you parry chance, nothing to do with block
tough vault
aah confused it with crit block then my bad
sick sentinel
Crit block is mastery
twilit oar
idk what i've started.. sorry
tough vault
that's the one ๐
sick sentinel
@undone sun idk we're pinging you
lusty grotto
crit block chance
warm plinth
Thyme picked a hell of a time to have his daily hour of sleep
sick sentinel
Weekly*
tough vault
an hour is stretching it
warm plinth
Sorry, typo lul
tough vault
2 str gems tho? I'm simming my butt off and I only get from that 1 str gem, rest haste
warm plinth
Do you have both str gems checked?
And that, as well
Especially in AoE, haste will overtake strength for DPS
tough vault
ofc nimchip, but I'm focusing dmg anyhow
sick sentinel
I only use the 120 str gem, I don't use the 80 str
twilit oar
and the wep enchant is naga hide or forceful multiplier.. or does that depend?
sick sentinel
Look man
lusty grotto
str is damage, also we are tanks first
sick sentinel
Force multiplier
lusty grotto
its not naga hide
read the icy veins guide maybe?
waiting on merek to put force multi there
tough vault
im not using critgem they smell funny
twilit oar
ever since I read the icy veins mage guide.. back in legion, i've refused to read anything from that site ๐
warm plinth
I'm still waiting for my new :literalgarbage: emoji
๐ข
inb4 new literalgarbage emoji is created and it's my pfp
tough vault
@twilit oar it really depends on who writes the guides.
sick sentinel
@twilit oar read icy veins for prot
lusty grotto
the icy veins guide is written by the owner of this discord
sick sentinel
Icy veins hired good people to write guides in bfa
twilit oar
good
sick sentinel
So they are not a meme anymore
warm plinth
You shouldn't boycott the site because of one guide. Some icy-veins guides are actually written by spec experts (moreso than in the past). You should go to the class discord, see which guide they use, and use that guide.
sick sentinel
In legion it was a meme
lusty grotto
i mean you only need altered time for mages, idk why you were in icy veins
tough vault
... so yeah I'm dumb, forgot to tick the box next to 2nd str gem. guess I'm investing in gems
I still love you guys โค
warm plinth
It's intended; they have different base names
undone sun
Pinging me
twilit oar
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
warm plinth
Kraken's Eye vs Leviathan's Eye
lusty grotto
late needs a bear
sick sentinel
@undone sun hi
warm plinth
I'm feeling attacked
tough vault
We're violating his safe space
warm plinth
It's cute that Kaege thinks I look away from Discord long enough to miss his ping though
warm plinth
I'm always happy
tough vault
I should be in bed, instead I'm logging into wow to appease some elitist prot warriors Kappa
tough vault
man I've been called a hardcore raider because I used a flask, anything is possible.
oblique garnet
Why are you gemming str
sick sentinel
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
warm plinth
Jesus Late
oblique garnet
???
warm plinth
What are you doing
lusty grotto
did you sleep last night?
oblique garnet
Idk about you but str is simming way lower than haste for me
lusty grotto
what in the goddamn f
warm plinth
I mean, he said he simmed and it said to use str though lol
tough vault
I simmed it again, with the 2nd STR gem enabled. It turns out better for me.
warm plinth
Unless he checked the "Always use" box
lusty grotto
late just getting me with his trolling
warm plinth
Marok is typing; maybe he's announcing the replacement emoji ๐
fierce juniper
Strength is generally our worst DPS stat but it's not anywhere close to being half the value of haste
replacement emoji wat
oh
sporepods
hmmm maybe
lusty grotto
๐
warm plinth
Pretty please
lusty grotto
you seeing this kaege? this is how stewart is disappointed
he even made my body invisible
warm plinth
Haste would have to be worth 60% more than strength for you to not use the 80 str gem
Wow, Stewart has no chill
sick sentinel
@lusty grotto wtf is that rezans
lusty grotto
mah rings
oblique garnet
Wtf is that block
tough vault
hot damn
warm plinth
inb4 he actually just posted that screenshot to flex his trinkets
lusty grotto
w8 you guys didn't know
oblique garnet
40 haste
lusty grotto
bros i posted this when i got them
warm plinth
lolol
undone sun
@sick sentinel @warm plinth hi, cooking
warm plinth
What are we having?
sick sentinel
I should sleep anyhow
lusty grotto
please no seafood
fierce juniper
oblique garnet
๐
sick sentinel
lusty grotto
๐ฅ
sick sentinel
Thanks
lusty grotto
you had your time buddy, don't be jealous
warm plinth
For the last time, haft was never literalgarbage
lusty grotto
warm plinth
I will fight you
lusty grotto
1v1 me bro
lusty grotto
๐
undone sun
shut summit
sick sentinel
We did it lads
lusty grotto
firm handshakes all around
undone sun
@warm plinth rib eye steak, baked potato and a salad, also just started fermenting some garlic honey
lusty grotto
ok im coming over
warm plinth
๐คค
oblique garnet
Inb4 people open up see us spamming sporepods and thinking its actually good
warm plinth
Why is the drooling face so creepy
tough vault
I had sporepod for a day just because it was a 20 ilvl increase ๐
oblique garnet
I keep sporepods in my bags as a reminder that whenever i go to UR i will remember to choose that fury lootspec
tough vault
Oof
Yeah I was wondering - Iโll be focusing on m+. What dungeons are better lootspecced dps?
oblique garnet
Kr ur
warm plinth
Though tbh if you're never going to DPS, KR doesn't matter
tough vault
Then.. Anything else just prot until you get warforged desired pieces, I guess :p
distant crystal
anyone know conclusively if a 440 tank trinket will allow me to trade a 440 dps trinket?
tough vault
Eh I sometimes go dps when my friend wants to tank on his dk
warm plinth
Basically choosing between a potential bandages trinket or the 2h sword
Then yeah, DPS spec is the way to go
distant crystal
i.e. i have 440 bindings and i want to trade a guildy 430-440 coral/inkpod
warm plinth
Yeah, all that matters is that you had a 440 in the slot
oblique garnet
Equip it in the slots
distant crystal
i think for hybrids an int trinket won't let you trade a melee trinket
wasn't sure how that worked for tanks
oblique garnet
Well yeah both are str trinkets
tough vault
I thought it was just ilvl locked. Ive had int and agi stuff drop for my monk, was no issue I think. Then again I may be misremembering
tough vault
F
tawny maple
bless
Yo I know absorbs come as under the healing charts but it doesnt count toward Omnipotence trait right?
Or wrong?
tawny maple
Oh its a bait huh
oblique garnet
Yup
tawny maple
Well still absorbs wouldnt count right
orchid token
they would count
unkempt bramble
rocky umbra
any tips going in on m zaqul?
tawny maple
does anyone know know what that little info box in the bottom right is called? Trying to move it using MoveAnything
warm plinth
Info box?
crisp spruce
Tooltip?
polar fox
orchid token
gross
distant crystal
ez
warm plinth
Isnโt it more like...
Non Toxic (----------------|--) Toxic โโโโโโโโ-Nimchip?
undone sun
hmmm
lusty grotto
nothing happened
lusty grotto
๐ฎ
lusty grotto
๐ฎ
exotic spoke
hows it going nim>?
lusty grotto
i dont think i will have time for nimchy cause i gotta finish studying ๐ฆ
but we'll see
im sending all the benthic her way
the essences shit is what bothers me
grand drum
red button is good for m+ right?
undone sun
hi cat
junior ivy
i went to gay pride bingo tonight
undone sun
nice
junior ivy
ddint win ๐ฆ
exotic spoke
hi catfriend
junior ivy
hi
astral crystal
did you bingo son
junior ivy
i didnt win anything and there was one prize i reeeeeeeally wnated
lusty grotto
โค
my dps is at least going up
27k on that wm
was a 12 though
2 chested
also block dropped for me lmao
gave them to a ret pally
null is very fucking good for wm
adding to my list of dungeons that you should run with null
sharp abyss
Guys and girls I have a plan i want to try do yโall think devastator would be a fun thing to try out in a key
grand drum
not fun at all
sharp abyss
Donโt suggest it? Lol
grand drum
i forgot to change talents after raid, wasn't fun
grand drum
If you comfortable with less rage and more dps
sharp abyss
Alright
merry bane
