it's less the intrusion and more that it isn't necessary for me is all
#protection
sand egret
esp in dungeons where the scale is smaller
but when you got 5 overlapping mechanics across a whole raid, I can see that
vestal edge
so i have a 430 ashvane ring and a 420 azhara lovers ring with a tank friend to bind it with. lover ring better?
warm plinth
I mean, it looks fine. WAs or anything UI-related is really a personal thing
If it works for you, it's great. If it doesn't, it sucks
cloud rose
Makes sense. Guess I'm just worried I'm missing something
Other than Taunt. That's hidden unless on CD
sand egret
just like any tool, gotta identify your needs first
then you can figure out what's missing
but from an aesthetic PoV it looks nice and minimal (which is what I preferred in my addon-using days)
warm plinth
Out of curiosity, what are the bottom two bars? Left looks like a swing timer maybe (which is unnecessary) but not 100% on what the bottom right bar is
Or no, is bottom left SB uptime?
Could probably figure it out for myself but too lazy to open the original image to see better 😂
cloud rose
The bottom bars are SB and IP progress bars
warm plinth
I actually like that
cloud rose
Just to keep it consistent with my Fury setup where I use bars to track Whirlwind
warm plinth
And then the top bar is rage I'm guessing?
cloud rose
Yep
warm plinth
Yeah that's actually really nice
warm plinth
Yeah that's pretty smooth tbh. Is that a suite you made?
cloud rose
Also, the SB and IP icons that glow only show up if I have enough rage to cast them and don't already have their buffs up
It is
Just from the presets in WA
warm plinth
I decided a while back to make a WA setup for my war, but I went with a vertical setup and it's messing with me too much for me to switch to it lol. Still catch myself looking at my bars a lot.
waxen cradle
What are our best dps essences I assume CoF/WVein/Null ?
I know a lot say default to VoP for Main defensively for Main essence, but how does Azeroth Undying stack up ?
And by stack up how does is compare for a main defensive to VoP
I know right now I usually run VoP Main and WVein minor as I do not have the 3rd slot minor yet, but I am wondering if I am get by for dps purposes and just forgo VoP in general and run CoF/WVein
To push numbers harder and obviously for farm bosses
Main question would be is how much defensively are we losing to not run VoP and push higher dps numbers because CoF hits like a damn truck
strong forum
🙃
mint glen
430 legs with socket or 435 legs?
strong forum
430
night oxide
430
waxen cradle
Also I see a lot of people not running VoP, well other tanks obviously and they get some pretty good numbers out of it
night oxide
Other tanks don’t have avatar
waxen cradle
true
for example the tank I run with uses CoF and yeah he is a DK so I guess I can see it
warm plinth
I mean, in raids it's not your best option if you're going for DPS so that's understandable.
waxen cradle
Vamp Blood is not a huge thing for him so I can see why he runs it
warm plinth
At least, not on single target fights
night oxide
Vop is vampiric blood for DK
They already knock it down to 1.5 mins with red thirst
Tough to make VoP worth it
waxen cradle
Just wondering if I can get enough extra dps out of CoF to make it worthwhile
Mainly
warm plinth
On single target fights, CoF is the best for damage hands down.
waxen cradle
Well we have only done the first 3 on Mythic and will be on Ashvane next week and thinking for farm bosses and the first 3 being pretty much 100% ST other then Radiances add phase why not run CoF main for extra damage
Help speed along the kills and get to Ashvane faster and for our weekly off night heroic clears fuck it just run CoF because the damage incoming certainly isn't feel high enough to be concerned
strong forum
yes
thats what pretty much everybody is doing
recommended is VoP cuz its defensive, but reality is, everybody is using CoF for damage and parsing
waxen cradle
Yeah I use VoP for when I think I might need the extra survivability
In Main I mean
I guess WVein is still best minor ?
warm plinth
It's probably better damage than CoF if you have adds up a lot too tbf
waxen cradle
Talking raid of course
warm plinth
I think Null is usually the one we use if we're going for damage. Assuming you have rank 3
waxen cradle
of course I mean as not having second minor slot
waxen cradle
For M+ is it still VoP/Lucid ?
warm plinth
Yeah, pretty much
waxen cradle
SO MUCH fucking rage even with Lucid in the minor its like holy shit
its like the major ability is a meme
Now this is down the road for me but what are we thinking for second minor for M+ Still SoSuppression ?
waxen cradle
For a while it felt like Anima of life and Death could be great but now its feels like Sphere could be better, especially rank 3
warm plinth
I don't know that I'd ever consider using Anima for its minor
waxen cradle
Yeah mainly meant for major for a while but the major just seems like it could never hold up to VoP
Small heal over 5% heal and more avatar no
warm plinth
I would imagine that when it comes to second minor for parsing/damage, VoP may still be the 2nd minor that people take. So CoF major, Null/VoP minor.
Not sure if sphere would beat it or not though
waxen cradle
In other words I cannot see a world where the heal and damage from Anima could ever over take VoPs more Avatar and CD reduction plus the 5% heal
Even for M+ ?
Meaning as for CoF and what ya said
warm plinth
Anima would be great for M+ if it had a shorter CD. 2 mins is just a little too long
waxen cradle
yeah
Pretty much was asking if you thought CoF could over take VoP in M+
for major
warm plinth
Well, I don't think CoF will overtake VoP because in M+ you have consistent AoE which is where Vision really shines both offensively and defensively
zinc rose
Quick Question. How good is the Shield from operation mechagon ?
warm plinth
It's not
waxen cradle
Yeah I do feel it will over take it in raid for farm bosses and pure ST fights such as the first 3
warm plinth
Equal ilevel of another shield is better
Well if you look at logs right now, any fight that is ST or mostly ST is dominated by people running CoF major
waxen cradle
Yeah true
warm plinth
So I would say it has already overtaken it
cosmic cape
whats the best non feast food for us
sick sentinel
haste
cosmic cape
swamp fish n chips or is there something better now
twilit oar
Anybody know where to find what the rank 4 essences look like?
lusty grotto
wowhead
twilit oar
thats the one I seen
doesnt show the guardian?
and some rank 3 looks like rank 4? I hope they change them lol
twilit oar
yh.. some... the that anima titan looks like mine
idk the essence
its from azshara
summons a guardian
wanted to see if they was a rank 4 showing for it
lusty grotto
uhh.. i have no idea we're in protection
i dont know of any dps essences
r3 anima does not look like that at all
feral heart
if I'm just starting to tank from dpsing what would be a good alternative to VoP? usually main fury but my guild needs another off tank and I don't have any farm into VoP
lusty grotto
wdym just pug it
the other good raid essences are nullification dynamo r3
and cof
cof being the dps option
sand egret
if your guild "needs" an off-tank...I don't see how they could simultaneously refuse to help you gear said off-tank (by helping you run Mechagon)
lusty grotto
dynamo is defensive, but at r3 it becomes an offensive powerhouse
neat lagoon
I mean VoP isn't a terrible essence to run as prot? I wouldn't use it as main but definitely as mino
minor*
feral heart
I dont mean they won't help farm it.
neat lagoon
oh dude its easy
feral heart
I just mean as a temporary measure right now
lusty grotto
i dont think you understood
feral heart
since I don't have it
lusty grotto
he isn't saying VoP is bad
neat lagoon
oh ok just an alternative since he does not have it gotcha
lusty grotto
use lucid dreams, CoF and nullification dynamo
feral heart
I have lucid r3
lusty grotto
lucid minor
lusty grotto
mechagon rep
sand egret
rustbolt rep
feral heart
oh ok. I can buy that
lusty grotto
r3 is a lot of damage
feral heart
just getting ideas while I'm at work
neat lagoon
yeah Lucid gives nice passive heals and rage as minor.
lusty grotto
but even if you dont have r3, it'll help defensively in raids
neat lagoon
how is Fetid? has anyone tried it? i just got rank 3 today
lusty grotto
what?
neat lagoon
the Fetish essence or w/e
lusty grotto
🤔
neat lagoon
from the things you get from chest
lusty grotto
anima?
neat lagoon
15 of em
lusty grotto
its eh
neat lagoon
idk I just got rank 3 of it and did not have time to go to forge before work
i just seen something about healing for damage done or something?
lusty grotto
its a shitload of damage if you buff your stam, but its kind of in a rough spot because you would have to major it
i honestly don't like it
neat lagoon
oh yeah and theres a ton of other majors
lusty grotto
will probably test it when i get 65
neat lagoon
i normally just stick with VoP major and Lucid minor, I have noticed my healing with lucid as a minor has shot up a ton
lusty grotto
anima major lucid+vop minors and maybe swap lucid with null on shrine/kr
its only use is basically in m+
neat lagoon
that's what I was thinking. I don;t have a tracker for VoP though, so idk how much it is actually proccing for me. I am looking for another essence that can pump out some damage in the major slot. any ideas?
CoF is nice but I would like something that has some splash damage to it
warm plinth
I mean, VoP is just Avatar. You can pretty easily track Avatar uptime and see the difference between VoP/no VoP
neat lagoon
I just don't want to pop Avatar if VoP has just popped it. I mean I could technically just track and pay attention to my buffs more but that's annoying sometimes lol
lusty grotto
that's just unnecesary micro managing
spice ferry
Just look at your character lol
warm plinth
Well, I mean it is worth tracking Avatar to the point that you don't use Avatar if Vision procs, because afaik it only refreshes if you do that, not extends
warm plinth
Not that I'm aware, but it's not like it hits very hard anyway. It's blockable.
lusty grotto
you can jump out of it
warm plinth
Oh. I assumed that's what he meant.
lusty grotto
away from it like 2nd boss vomit
warm plinth
Seems unnecessary to me
sick sentinel
UR 3rd boss damage
strong forum
on high keys he does quite substantial damage
lusty grotto
its necessary in high tyr
strong forum
why not just avoid it completely
on high keys it does more than 50% of your HP
if not 70%
even if blocked
tawny maple
@neat lagoon just get a wa
warm plinth
I think you guys are overestimating that ability a little bit. Looking at logs, on a 15 tyrannical, unblocked and without absorbs it hit for 245k, which is 65% of my 410 warrior's HP. That's literally just taking the hit to the face with nothing but armor DR. No demo, no wall, nothing.
sick sentinel
When do prot warriors get to wield a 2h weapon and a shield
grand drum
when you go fury like that one guy on the lfr preview screen
neat lagoon
yeah thats f'd up we should be able to use a 2 hander a shield. I mean Fury can use two 2 handers. A shield is prolly easier to hold than a second 2 hander anyway
stark ruin
I just wish we could transmog the artifact shield and weapon looks separately
grand drum
i wish we could use 2H mogs with 1H weapons and vice versa
warm plinth
Yeah I agree Eryona
vestal edge
Are any of the benthic azerite pieces bis when upgrade?
warm plinth
For DPS, some are
You can sim to figure out if it is or isn't better than what you have
But again, only for DPS
vestal edge
i had like the 420 azerite helm and was simming higher than the 445 piece i bought with bom on it lol
the one with undulating
exotic spoke
Hrmm
Of the azerite pieces, shoulders give the least stam, strength, and armor right?
warm plinth
Yeah
exotic spoke
I wonder what the difference between 430 and 445 is. Or better would be 435 and 445
oblique garnet
58 Armor 72 str 193 stam
exotic spoke
Honestly debating randoming a chest to replace the shit 445 one I got over the really good 430 (soon to be 435) shoulders
oblique garnet
thats the difference
exotic spoke
You’re the best late. I don’t care what Nim says
warm plinth
Between 435 and 445? Or 430 and 445?
oblique garnet
435 and 445
oblique garnet
i have so bad 445 shoulders im not even using them
warm plinth
Like you got a 445 from mythic?
exotic spoke
Nah, I rolled shit last week
warm plinth
Oh
exotic spoke
Ditto
warm plinth
I mean, 10-15 ilevels at this stage it's probably better to use good traits vs shit traits
exotic spoke
I’m using it - because its chest but it feels bad
I got sky scorcher
For 430 shoulders
What’s worse is late had the best odds to get at leasy a good piece
warm plinth
What neck level do you need for the empowered trait on 445 slots?
warm plinth
Ah
oblique garnet
@exotic spoke 5/6 to get either viable or good traits
I got the ones with the worst
finite bolt
i am trying to get one cast of demo shout off and then just go back to devastate any help?
oblique garnet
?
exotic spoke
Deep denizen
You can’t have one button do two abilities - I didn’t think
I just got chestguard of the deep denizen... hooray IF and BfI
warm plinth
Yeah, you can. But you shouldn't lol.
That being said, the macro you have there should do it.
Or well, the thing is
It's going to just swap between trying to cast demo shout and devastate. So it'll do 1 demo, 1 deva, then it'll be stuck on Demo until either you cast it or the reset timer expires
There's no way to make it do otherwise. That's the whole point of a castsequence macro; it doesn't reset until it either meets the conditions or you cast all of the spells in the sequence.
neat lagoon
my question is why are you worried about Devastate? I have so much rage at all times that there is literally no use for me to even use it
I just spam Revenge when I have nothing to do since rage is never ever an issue
warm plinth
He's not. He just wants to be able to put Demo Shout on a button with something else so it just uses it on CD automatically
neat lagoon
ohhhh
but is it good to use demo on CD? I mean I do it just because i wana push out constant dps
i guess its such a short CD it doesnt manner
warm plinth
Yeah, you should be using it on CD anyway. It has a very short cooldown with Booming Voice and you get rage every time it's cast
Er
With Anger Management I meant
neat lagoon
mhm nah i feel ya.
warm plinth
But yeah we get people in here asking about those types of macros now and then. Either because they want to not have to think about it or they want to save on keybinds
sick sentinel
you are supposed to press demo shout on cd
odd quail
Do you think Devastator is better for Tyrannical weeks? I definitely prefer to not have a spam button more often than not.
real loom
TL;DR - see question below.
Hi guys I have a question about essences talents and traits. This might be kind of long winded so bear with me.
I have been seeing a common theme about the vision of perfection being a great major essence. Without having done any testing for myself i've found my self in a conundrum of sorts.
Basic guides everywhere have you taking bolster, which is a great improvement over the other talents and vastly changes the use of Last Stand. However, i just got vision of perfection and am using it as my major now, and i started to question something.
Is the heal from VoP minor consistent enough to take Indomitable, and should I be stacking 3 of the BoM traits to support this build?
warm plinth
No. The relatively small gain from Devastator means you lose a lot of survival and damage on trash.
and no, there is literally no situation where Indomitable would be better than Bolster.
neat lagoon
@odd quail Devastator IMO only works if you use the Reckless Flurry or w/e Fury trait. Otherwise it is only marginally better
for single target ONLY
odd quail
Okay, thank you. I'm just trying to improve. Best way is to ask more knowledgeable people.
warm plinth
What a scrub
warm plinth
It's ok bb
marble cipher
Ignoring the fact that other trinkets are better dps in dungeons, I just did some runs with a 430 Urchin.
That trinket is quite solid on healing it seems.
Or is it a waste to use that over a dps or proc trinket?
warm plinth
If you don't need the extra survivability, it's a waste from that perspective.
sick sentinel
it's good
neat lagoon
Phial trinket from Radiance is very strong in dungeons
marble cipher
Yeah, thought as much
neat lagoon
stop
phial sims higher than my rezan's, crafted mechagon trinket (haste proc one), and the Razdunk's bomb trinket
marble cipher
And it's not like I need more survivability, I just pull bigger 😂
neat lagoon
Always using the 440 alch trinket and Phial
modern brook
A real warrior
sick sentinel
did you sim @neat lagoon
sick sentinel
patchwerk?
neat lagoon
only trinket that will do more on bosses is the card with cyclonic
sick sentinel
yes did you sim patchwerk
neat lagoon
yes
sick sentinel
did you read what the trinket does
modern brook
??
sick sentinel
phial is very unconventional to use properly during a dungeon
neat lagoon
its always proccing
sick sentinel
yes
modern brook
heroic throw boyz
sick sentinel
do you know how you are supposed to use phial in aoe?
neat lagoon
nope i just pull and do a lot of damage
it sims higher for my as prot and fury than any of my other trinkets (aside from Alch and Cyclonic sometimes)
sick sentinel
YES IT SIMS HIGHER BUT YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW IT WORKS
it will not work in the dungeon as it works in the patchwerk sim
the trinket procs
it does very little aoe damage
if it hits somebody that is alone it starts doing more damage
and when it's fully stacked you are supposed to go to a group of mobs and aoe all of them
sand egret
what is this trinket?
sick sentinel
phial
warm plinth
Phial of the Arcane Tempest
sand egret
thank you GHASH
sick sentinel
warm plinth
It's trash in M+ because it rarely accelerates since you're almost always tanking more than one thing
sick sentinel
you shouldn't blindly follow a sim without reading or understanding how your items work
warm plinth
Like you have to have the niche scenario like Kaege said of having a single target followed by some adds, followed by single target, followed by groups of adds to maximize its potential
Or at least be in pure ST most of the time
sand egret
oof what a contextual trinket lol
neat lagoon
okay so what other sims would you prefer? I have tried that beta dungeon sim (no clue if its even accurate) and it still takes Phial and Razdunks
because simming heavy cleave isnt accurate for dungeons all the time either
sick sentinel
I do patchwerk 1 boss,
patchwerk 5 bosses
and a dungeon slice
and then I make an educated descision
based on my knowledge of the gear and the spec
warm plinth
It's also possible that it sims strangely because of how it's set up in the simc build. Some trinkets are set to always proc at maximum effectiveness and shit like that.
Idk if that's the case for Phial but common sense tells you that it doesn't do well in a situation where you're always in aoe
sick sentinel
also prot sims can be a bit weird sometimes
for example lucid minor doesn't refund rage in the sims I found out today
sand egret
question: what does it mean by “accelerates”? is this a stack count? does it have a cap? whats the rate of increase?
warm plinth
If you need further proof, just look at the very few logs where it's being used. It's doing like 1.5-2% of their overall damage
oblique garnet
@sick sentinel ? Lucid minor doesnt refund rage?
warm plinth
Which is horrible
oblique garnet
In sims?
sick sentinel
looks like it
oblique garnet
Huh
sand egret
what is the minimum amount of time needed in single target to maximize the aoe damage component?
sick sentinel
I will check with my character as well
@sand egret I think it's 6 sec or something
sand egret
aye, yeah thats a really funky pull pattern to min/max that
also is prob shit depending on weeks like Bolster
warm plinth
He's talking about in sims, not the actual effect.
sand egret
yeah, like not accounting for the extra rage gen
graceful cobalt
i have Vision of Perfection on 2 life of drwams 2 späre on 1 Anima of death on 2 and the flame on 2 wich one are best for M+ i have 59 on neck
sick sentinel
wait no it does
I was maybe looking at the wrong html report
@graceful cobalt Vision major dreams minor
dreams is very bad
oblique garnet
🤔🤔
sick sentinel
heals less than vision of perfection generates sub 10% rage has ~30% uptime on verse
what would you go instead
oblique garnet
Need to test some more to find out which works best for which weeks etc
sick sentinel
and tbh the emissaries melee you with frost damage
so null does stuff there as well
oblique garnet
Yeah but for example on enchanted week its harder to get use out of
warm plinth
What’s the sphere minor’s ppm?
warm plinth
Or is it just consistent uptime
timber nest
whats the optimal way to use both charges on CoF rank 3?
fervent harness
is it still the case that i wanna stack haste on rings? (i can drop 30 ilvls to go haste > crit to crit > mastery
sick sentinel
Don't drop ilvls
sick sentinel
@timber nest always use keep it on cd, prefer to cast it over devastate I guess
brittle owl
you should only drop more than 10 ilvls anywhere if its for dps purposes only
modern brook
if the concept doest make sense re-read the start priority section of the guide
its explained there
fervent harness
you mean of the faq?
sick sentinel
Icy veins
fervent harness
that concept matches what intuitively makes sense to me so im fine with it
just wanted to check 😛
thanks
where do gems fit into the ilvl scenario? i can't see anything in this guide on it?
fervent harness
thanks
ebon geyser
Did the fix the zandalari troll week buff from kimbul
sick sentinel
???
ebon geyser
Supposedly kimbul debuff was rarely being up on the target
sick sentinel
Why would you ever go kimbul anyway
tawny maple
Is the dungeon slice option for Raid Bots good? Ive never used it
sick sentinel
are the tide goddess's legs good
next goblet
i need to farm more essence ranks.. im slacking so hard
sick sentinel
Rank 3 anima or rank 2 azeroths undying gift
@tawny maple it's okay but don't take it as gospel
@sick sentinel anima for mplus
Keys undying gift?
er
raid
Yeah
potent anvil
If you'll need it to cover a tank buster mechanic, but I don't raid tank so I wouldn't know how useful it is in that extent.
sick sentinel
Really useful for radiance adds, for a 3rd stack on ashvane, on first orgozola hit etc
undone sun
their melee is magic
sick sentinel
Man
neat lagoon
mannnn
sick sentinel
I'm lining up avatar, then extending demoralizing, Spell refeclt
reflect
that hshit hurts
I mean we are missing are two main healers
that could be a factor too
spamming IP purely
Is there anything else I can do?
next goblet
throw on an opulence trinket
sick sentinel
Don't have any defensive trinkets
cinder roost
Do you still use SB while spamming IP ?
Cause the big add will truck you if you don't, small adds rotate your defensive, and cs / stun them
graceful sundial
what's the best opener considering cyclotron and cos ?
cinder roost
Well TIL, I thought it was only the small ones that did magic melee
I still use SB for my SS anyway 😄
But yeah juste rotate defensive, call external, nothing we can really do more
What essence do you use?
sick sentinel
VoP
neat lagoon
I would make sure you definitely have an Abyssal and Healthstone for the Tempest and also make sure you are getting Ironbark and w/e as well
sick sentinel
Don't have a minor
sick sentinel
Don't have it
neat lagoon
hmmmm what else lol
sick sentinel
Doesn't matter anyway
we killed it
We lacked our main healers for my s ide
Nothing more I can do
zenith ginkgo
how does razdunk's big red button compare to other dps trinkets? for m+
neat lagoon
ive seen it sim very well
zenith ginkgo
hmm guess ill test it out
neat lagoon
i mean i absolutely hate using it
because half the dungeon its just a strength increase
zenith ginkgo
yeah vial is 1.5min
2490 str decaying over 18 sec
yeah probably not even close lol
neat lagoon
whats bombs CD?
neat lagoon
ehhh yeah i would take the vial
even though the bomb is nice burst damage on trash, the vial will perform better overall on trash and boss fights. i think vial is a pretty solid trinket for all warrior specs
I am using the 440 alch trinket and Phial from Radiance. I will swap in an out some haste trinkets and punch card for cyclonic when im really focused on boss damage but I would kill for a nice 430+ Vial
sick sentinel
R a z o r c o r a l
astral hare
Using that and it feels good to be able to mitigate also spell dmg as a warrior. I have not seen math about it yet
lunar jackal
then god has blessed me
sick sentinel
You’ve always been able to mitigate spell damage...
undone sun
well, not the same as blocking
sick sentinel
Does the big guy on radiance get affected by SB?
or is it still magic damage so it doesn't get blocked
remote tusk
sweet kettle
@sick sentinel make sure yoy interruot him as late as possible and rotate cooldowns
solid pendant
what gems/enchants should i use for m+ ? ive seen people use crit alot even though guides say haste
undone sun
crit is good, but you use it for the offensive purposes
hard sigil
435 vial of animated blood is better than punchcard with cyclotronic blast right?
oblique garnet
in what scenario?
oblique garnet
In raids? No in m+ yes
hard sigil
is it?
inland bolt
Whats the logic for gearing on prot? do sockets have some value or do we still wear highest ilvl gear?
next goblet
415 ilvl i cant do +10s yet can i?
south yarrow
You should be more than fine. Whether you'll have an easy time getting into a pug is another question
next goblet
fair enough
south yarrow
But if you have some guildmates it should be a-ok
next goblet
3 more energy cores to get at least my rank 2.. le sigh
i have 49 uncharged but ofc the charging station isn't up lol
south yarrow
opened all your chests today?
brittle owl
also essences/azerite don't make or break your ability to do m+ at that level
not even your ilvl tbh
you could realistically do 10's at 390ish
like naemesis said your biggest hurdle will be getting into the groups
unborn island
I think the biggest problem is that at that ilvl groups that will take you in a 10 are likely to be kinda shitty, therefore you will have a hard time.
As the guys here said, you could manage it at 390...But that assumed that everyone in the group is good :)
Not just you;)
next goblet
honestly i just wanna complete it, ofc i'd love to beat the timer but completion is more important just because i need some gear right meow
solid pendant
ilvl doesnt matter. dps, skill and knowledge of the dungeon/bosses/affixes does
ilvl might get you into a group easier, but thats it.
unborn island
Idk, I have done a lot of pugs this week with people who are basically morons
But morons at 435 can faceplant keyboard and do decent damage + have enough HP to survive fails
At least that's what I have observed this week ;)
solid pendant
yeah, you could argue like that
unborn island
Sorry, Not decent 'sufficient'
next goblet
ok and one more nooby question.. best way to farm azerite? im 22% through 54 neck level and just want to hit 55 so i can equip a second essence
sick sentinel
mythic ones if you have a group
takes like 4-5 mins is
you cna go even faster actualy its rabbit charm week
I feel like I can't die in keys lol
Doing like 15 freehold / ML
You can pool like 4 groups at once
and be fine
lofty widget
440 shield > 430 shield with socket?
strange plover
440 shield
sick sentinel
because a boomi sucks with low hp adds
and they aren't an aoe centric class anyway
brittle owl
^
trash melts in keys this week barring 18ish and above where they start living more
boomies suck when adds melt
next goblet
fair enough
sick sentinel
Do you guys think nullification is worth taking for the most of the magic fights in raid
If you struggle with staying alive with magic damge ye
oblique garnet
its worth at rank 3
sick sentinel
Seems like the one thing I do struggle with
torn gust
How good is arcane heart trait?
oblique garnet
not good
sick sentinel
Just wonder if it would be more worth doing vision and then lucid dreams as minor and I can just spend rage on ignore pain for magic dmg
spice ferry
Perf major lucid minor is good for a lot of scenarios
I wouldn’t say it’s specifically good for magic, but it’ll get the job done a lot of the time
weary thorn
Isn't the lucid minor proc rate fairly meh?
sick sentinel
about 30% uptime on the vers buff
vestal edge
clockwork heart trait seems really nice on chest off mechagon? been using procs alot
weary thorn
Ok, thanks
floral wigeon
does spell reflect have a cap to how much damage it can reflect
floral wigeon
is their a bug with reflecting the cyclone strike in tos
strong forum
Cuz that would be 1,unless you get hit by spells the exact same second
Yes, if it is NOT directed at you, you can stand infront of him an reflect the damage
If it is targeting you, you CAN'T reflect it
floral wigeon
yeah it was targetted on one of the dps and it hit through spell reflect
can i only take one of the cyclones?
floral wigeon
yeah im confused with it cause only took damage from 3 of them
floral wigeon
possibly
ionic fern
Naa,it's weired at times..i've had it like that as well..tied it to positioning also.
exotic spoke
hi catfriend
open field
Does anyone have a uldir item that titanforged higher than 395?
open field
can you send s screenshot pls
junior ivy
syringe discord?
open field
or an armory link
sick sentinel
what the fuck is up with you guys thinking that raidloot can't forge over the tier
strong forum
👋 cat
junior ivy
hii
sick sentinel
cat we have gone over this multiple times
junior ivy
so he probably wasnt here when you did
junior ivy
oh okay
junior ivy
thats different i guess lol
winged grail
Is COF rank 2 worth it over other rank 2s for ST damage?
molten rivet
is the ashvane trinket good for prot ? dps wise ?
molten rivet
prot/tank whats the difference :D?
molten rivet
oh :p
sorry
thx for answering
is that also the best ST DPS trinket we can get?
together with the mecha one ?
strong forum
No, inkpod is better
molten rivet
and inkpod is from what boss?
strong forum
Orgozoa
tough vault
Looking at rolling a horde toon on another realm, are there racials that can't be ignored for race selection?
apart from belf bc fuck I rolled too many of those already
aiming to just level to 120 and do M+ btw, maybe get pugged for raids as dps
rolled forsaken to lv 15 and that doesnt bring much to the table, does it 😂
tough vault
yeah, that's reason I'm asking. Racechanged to DI dwarf for M+
strong forum
Na there's no great racial, I went troll for looks
tough vault
went UD because I never ever rolled one.
strong forum
Ye it was either ud or troll for me
tough vault
tho rolling zanda for looks might be nice I guess lol
strong forum
Ud is great for ST parsing
tough vault
oh?
wispy plume
I like my zandalari. It’s like straight up just because I want to be a zandalari though lol
tough vault
yeah like I said I just hit 15 on the UD so now's the time to change to zanda or HM
tough vault
I always try to have 1 maxed horde character just for BS like that lmao
wispy plume
In legion if you unlocked the horde races you also unlocked the quests for the alliance
strong forum
I leveled 6 time to 120,cba
wispy plume
That’s how I got void elf and Lightforged
tough vault
man 8.2 isnt making it easier
wispy plume
Is it not that way in BFA?
tough vault
fuck non BOA rep and essences
strong forum
Ye but this time around you need the achievements from completing the story Missions on horde
wispy plume
Interesting
strong forum
And I was forced to transfer from alliance to horde
tough vault
oof
wispy plume
Ahhh
tough vault
guess I'll stick Ud then lol
oblique garnet
belf racial is still the strongst for horde on m+
silent tundra
Can any1 tell me if i can reliably sim my prot warrior and get correct stat weights?
sick sentinel
@silent tundra no need for stat weights
just go haste crit for mplus and haste vers for raids
if you do both, just go haste
silent tundra
ok ty
lunar jackal
guys quick question i have a 430 azerite chest and a 420. should equip the 430 and give up one BoM for Bloodsport? or keep the 420?
sick sentinel
An Azerite piece is not only one trait, it's 4
Bloodsport is garbo and bom is amazing, I'd personally still use the 420 tho
lunar jackal
i know that kaege but didnt put the rest cause they are exactly the same
ripe adder
Hi guys, i don't know if this is the right section, tell me if i'm wrong
I'm kind of new to bfa, and i wanted to start tanking m+
is there like a guide or something where i can see the abilities to whom i should stay careful?
Like mobs to cc, interrupt, what to pull, ect...
i mean
is https://questionablyepic.com/mythic-plus from the guide section enough?
warm plinth
Hey @ripe adder a good start is probably the reflectable/blockable spreadsheet in the pins, which mentions bosses and a few trash mobs here and there that we can help mitigate against or reflect spells on. No M+ guide is really going to be super helpful route-wise right now since I think the routes are still being ironed out a bit (though we should have that information soon once MDT and the like are updated). QE is a very good resource for knowing what trash mobs and boss abilities are dangerous.
ripe adder
QE?
warm plinth
The website you linked.
warm plinth
You're very welcome. Feel free to ask if you think of anything else.
It also might be worth looking into the Mythic Plus Friends discord. They're getting ready to start up their Mythic Plus Academy again.
ripe adder
I will 😃
warm plinth
Might be a bit before they have a run available but it's worth checking
ripe adder
never heard of that, i'll check that 😃
Again, thank you 😃
If I search for Mythic Plus Friends, i can't find any result... how do i find the page?
warm plinth
http://www.discord.gg/mythicplusfriends Idk why I can never make those links work. 🙃
There we go
ripe adder
thanks again
terse dragon
Hey where is that spreadsheet for blockable dmg and reflectable spells?
warm plinth
terse dragon
Which link is it?
terse dragon
Thanks, I was looking for 5 minutes...asked where it was and then found it in 5 seconds when I checked again
terse dragon
Yah prot warrior so fun for keys
Holy shit, that spreadsheet is amazing
So much utility with SR
regal verge
!trinkets
chilly brook
@ripe adder if it’s your first time tanking I’d suggest looking up some non class specific tanking tips and best practices
copper tendon
i keep seeing the blockrating / blockrating + k calculation for damage reduction from blocks. but i cant find out what k is in 8.2 do anyone know were i can find it ?
copper tendon
thank you so much 😃
warm plinth
You’re welcome
sick sentinel
Hey guys, the bleed buff on the first boss in AD is that avoidable? I have SB up but I still get it and it does a lot of dmg
empty inlet
not avoidable
sick sentinel
Thanks
warm plinth
Not avoidable. And block doesn't work against it, and it bypasses armor
In other words, it hurts, badly.
warm plinth
Just ensure you have defensives up for it. Your healer should be able to pump on you anyway because there's really no other damage going out
sick sentinel
Thanks mate
empty inlet
you can save rage and demo shout for it
but on high -tyranical you might as well just reroll
atal is pretty closed on high tyranical for warrior
oblique garnet
Huh?
warm plinth
I mean, no one really does well against that mechanic lol. It's a bleed which trucks any tank.
I'm not really sure how you figure it's "closed for warrior"
sick sentinel
Yeah did it in +12 Tyrl and it hurts 😏
sick sentinel
It’s the only boss in AD that I struggled with
warm plinth
Again though, that's any tank
sick sentinel
Yeah I don’t play that high lol
oblique garnet
Other than that 🤔🤔🤔
warm plinth
Without a strong defensive, it will melt you regardless of spec
I mean, no one has even completed a 24 yet anyway so that's a nonexistent situation. And all the 22s that have been finished were on fort
sick sentinel
I did not know that. So no one did tyrl mmmm
empty inlet
that dot already fucks last season
oblique garnet
Pretty sure warrior had the highest atal tanked
warm plinth
Highest AD completed is 21 tyr actually, this season
And yeah, it's a warrior
You don't even see a non-war tank until 4th place (for AD specifically). Top 3 are all warrior
And that's a 20 fort
empty inlet
pretty sure other class are better at dealing with it its only showing warrior because if youre taking this game serious youre playing warrior
warm plinth
But other than paladin using their long CDs, what other tank would handle it better?
oblique garnet
Guardian maybe but even thats a stretch
warm plinth
Yeah. Idk. That's just a silly thing to say that AD is closed to warriors on high tyr lol
empty inlet
?
sick sentinel
guardian is NOT the play
oblique garnet
Dks will just fall over because the boss is still meleeing them, monks are not that great at dealing with bleeds either
empty inlet
tyranical rezan LUL
chilly brook
Pretty sure no tank does well with bleeds period
undone sun
paladin does fine
warm plinth
Just be a dwarf, gg
😄
Wall for one, demo+external for 1, remove last one probably?
Idk how many you get on higher tyr
next goblet
i just wanna replace my lingering shitpods.. but i cant get another trinket
unborn island
@warm plinth stoneform didn't work on it last season...does it now?
warm plinth
Oh, I guess I just assumed it did since it's a bleed. 🤔 Are you sure it doesn't?
I'll go check; for science!
mortal brook
dorf doesnt get rid of rezan bleed can confirm
warm plinth
You are correct; it does not work @unborn island
mortal brook
source: am fab dorf
warm plinth
You could have said so before my lifeless dorf body was discovered on the floor of Rezan's chamber
But now my blood is on your hands
mortal brook
f
warm plinth
Blizzard has weird inconsistencies sometimes
warm plinth
The dumbest one this expansion:
Mistress Sasz'nine's eels deal shadow damage with their melees: Blockable
Radiance adds deal nature damage with their melees: nope, eat that shit warriors
undone sun
mistress was last expac but KJ's shadow adds were also blockable
so they're basically like, new expac new me 4head
warm plinth
Fair enough
mortal brook
what about ML 3rd and 4th bosses? also not blockable?
undone sun
👌
warm plinth
No but they're not really melee attacks anyway
warm plinth
Yeah, they get away with that one on a technicality lol
undone sun
that's still recent history
warm plinth
That's what I'm saying; those aren't actually melee attacks so it makes sense for them to not be blockable
mystic pilot
warm plinth
It's like 2ppm
tawny maple
I'm really hating myself for not doing my dailies for a week. I want r3 Dynamo >:(
vernal stirrup
iirc lucid is just 15% no rppm
I don't know where I read that tho
so it's probably wrong
warm plinth
You should have at least done the WQ this week @tawny maple 1275 rep per day instead of 850 is pretty sweet.
mental scarab
how is dribbling inkpob trinket dps wise for us?
tawny maple
@warm plinth I know.... I just started doing them again two days ago so. I got flying and then took a week break from WoW besides raid lmao
warm plinth
RIP
tawny maple
I should be able to get it next week if I try
I'm not THAT worried... I'm more worried about hardmode Mech next week for r3 vision
weary thorn
Hard mecha isn't too bad with comms. As long as a couple people in the party have done it you'll be fine
tawny maple
Yeah the hardest part will be finding a group that wants to do it tbh
Guild is casual so idk
For r4 vision is it just YOU who can't die or the whole group?
weary thorn
You I believe, and you can do it on normal
errant oriole
undone sun
it's good, but not haste dependent, it's more about the situation you use it in
undone sun
🤣
warm plinth
You know, I wonder how much easier the Chromie thing is with azerite/essences. (reminded by my title screenshot lol)
Or can you even still do it
tawny maple
Idk if you can it'll probably scale you down
Or scale everything else up? Idk how Blizzard works anymore
If it scales everything else up azerite/ess probably make it easier but if it scales you down probably not prob better to use legendaries and shit
warm plinth
I managed to complete it in Legion by sheer dumb luck; actually thought the attempt I was on was going to fail
Then ended up getting 3 of the items that auto complete or whatever in a row
tawny maple
I wasn't a big fan of Legion's solo challenges which kinda sucks because I wanted to mage tower appearances
Luuuuuucky
Lmao
vernal stirrup
yea same
the only thing I wanted was guardian appearance
but I don't even play druid
warm plinth
I got most of the ones that I wanted
or well, probably all tbh. There were others I thought were cool but they were for specs I'm never gonna play
cinder pasture
Chromie scales you down it looks like by the way
warm plinth
I figured it would scale level down but don't you still do like massive damage? I just did one of the precursor quests and my consecration was doing like 60k ticks lol
cinder pasture
The damage doesn't feel like it's scaled down properly
warm plinth
Maybe I'm not doing the precursor hmm
lol
Oh yeah I'm definitely doing the wrong shit; hang on lmao
cinder pasture
Stuff is dying really fast. I dont think I were ever able to one shot mobs back when this first came out
warm plinth
Yeah I figured the scaling would be super weird now
It has to kinda scale you down and up at the same time
night oxide
How do i live vs zul
warm plinth
Spell Reflection on cooldown, Shield Wall, externals, prayer
Last resort you can run like a little bitch
tawny maple
Does Zul have a Max cast range on him?
cinder pasture
Yes, but he'll run after you if you move out of it
warm plinth
But he can cast through LoS so you just have to keep running
tawny maple
I feel like if you have to run away from Zul you're group is doing something wrong though
warm plinth
Eh, not really. That Barrage is no joke. If you're out of CDs and he still isn't dead, there's not much else you can do
That being said, it's not fortified week so outside of pretty high keys you shouldn't have to kite
tawny maple
Yeah Ive never really pushed past the 15 range so it makes sense that you might not be able to kill him before all externals are out
night oxide
can it even be spell reflected?
tawny maple
Not true reflect, but reduced dmg
warm plinth
No, but it mitigates it by 20%
night oxide
feel like i cast it dont hear the return and the just get the waffle stomping action
ahh kk
night oxide
makes sense
i was in a 15 with a group that shouldnt be in there
mage with 1 interrupt and a priest with 3 for overall
so magic dmg came in hot and heavy
but zul normally kills me at like 17%
remaining HP
and im just trying to figure out how to deal with it
warm plinth
You can't interrupt it anyway so
night oxide
yea i just meant overall the hallway leading to 3rd boss and before the first boss were both hell
sick sentinel
You need to be a gamer
You are at 60 yards he starts casting you move to 62
He inches forward and casts again just move 2 yards
Or you know, just kill him
Healthpots save lives btw
warm plinth
Have you legit killed him like that @sick sentinel ?
I would actually love to see a clip of that lol
sick sentinel
I kind of did it until I run out of bridge
warm plinth
lol
outer dew
And before you know it you killed 5 minutes in deaths because you can't range the aoe a more
Anymore
Because its spawn camping your dps
Pepehanda
tall barn
what can warriors do to rixxa fluxflame? her default attack Searing Reagent?
undone sun
focus on using IP way more often, reduce the overall usage of SB since it's not needed defensively, use CDs liberally including SR
tall barn
you SR every other debuff
surely for dmg
and not the aa
my tanks just taking near unhealable dmg
200k hits every melee
solid pendant
Proper shieldblock use ( Last stand + bolster talent)
undone sun
blocking does a whole lot of nothing for that boss
wispy plume
I think he was talking to @solid pendant
solid pendant
"200k hits every melee"
last mason
obsidian mica
Is Servant Splitter from Waycrest an alternative to other weapons? I have a Crit/Mastery Axe 415 and a Servant Splitter 430
stark ruin
General consensus is that ilvl trumps all on weapons and shields
neat lagoon
@obsidian mica I would take the Splitter
just more straight up damage. That's why I like using the axe from Mechagon that puts on the fire DoT. Can get the DoT up on multiple targets
now if you get another 430 with some nice Crit / Haste or a socket than I would switch
obsidian mica
Okay thx 😃
will switch then. Wasnt sure if the lack of secondarys puts up for the ilvl loss
neat lagoon
Weapon damage is very important for threat and damage. And since it is crit/mastery I wouldn't be too upset. Crit is a good stat for damage but weapon damage and the DoT it applies is greater.
warm plinth
Weapon DPS is also used to determine IP size.
oblique garnet
Servant splitter is probably one of the best one handers for st
vocal elm
Which would you choose? 420 Urchin or 425 Refracting Prism?
odd quail
For me, urchin ends up being around 18% of my overall healing.
I'm at around 15k hps average at the end of a key so, whatever that maths out to.
As far as Prism goes, I've always been a fan of just not taking damage instead of healing it up. So, my brain says prism.
Would need an experts opinion though. I only use urchin if I don't have faith in the healer. Otherwise rezans/butchers for me
tawny maple
I feel like I'll never get rid of my briny barncle PepeHands
distant crystal
the one strike against prism is that you don't get rage if you absorb the attack right
not that losing a little rage-on-hit would be a catastrophe, especially if we're running lucid mi nor
warm plinth
That's not a thing @distant crystal Absorbs don't prevent rage generation from being attacked.
orchid token
especially not now that rage is just based on a flat amount from being attacked and not damage taken
of course there's also the other strike against prism which is that it stinks
but i know the hivemind here loves it so i wont start that argument again lol
orchid token
Legion
warm plinth
No idea. But I just let a target dummy hit me for a bit with resounding protection up and I was generating rage just fine.
eager tinsel
is a 3rd bastion or a 2 deafening crash better?
undone sun
It wasn't even a thing in legion @orchid token
Or if you're saying it was changed going into legion, maybe
Bastion @eager tinsel
eager tinsel
Thanks 👋
warm plinth
You know what's really fucking sad is that Thyme isn't a thing in BfA. Sad world we live in.
undone sun
😭