I'm still inbetween anime and VoP for keys
#protection
round glade
Pog
crimson furnace
Details!: Damage Done for Freehold +14 (overall) [21:55 EF]
- Yunep ......... 49.39M (37.6k, 26.5%)
- Earthequake 49.36M (37.5k, 26.5%)
- Necazul ....... 44.00M (33.5k, 23.6%)
- Starlion ...... 34.00M (25.9k, 18.2%)
- Simatm ....... 9.57M (7.3k, 5.1%)
+2 CHEST FACUT!
this was a key that we did last night
i like the VOP major in M+
sick sentinel
I will care about anima in 2 weeks
round glade
Its amazing there
round glade
Ye vop is love
round glade
Hype
strong forum
Gonna go for r4 anime this week
sick sentinel
rank 3 memebeam Hypers
round glade
👌
strong forum
If im lucky will go for VoP r4 too
strong forum
R4 is always only visual
crimson furnace
anyone has any idea what it is?
round glade
R4 Only looks
strong forum
A more apparent swirly
crimson furnace
lackluster
strong forum
Ye
round glade
Ye
strong forum
VoP is giga hard to notice
crimson furnace
giga lol
strong forum
I wish it woulda changed avatar to look like magni
spice ferry
Don’t you turn a different colour?
strong forum
Nerf has it
round glade
Of that would be the casw
vernal stirrup
rank 4s are all just visual changes
strong forum
I see 0 difference but the swirly is more azerity
round glade
Then it would be awesome
vernal stirrup
the r4 dps beam is so pretty
round glade
Does it sparkle?
vernal stirrup
it's got spinning bits iirc
round glade
Hype
molten rivet
So RF auto attack damage actually works in Prot?
molten rivet
How peculiar
sick sentinel
and MS also gives defence as well
molten rivet
And against IF?
strong forum
If doesn't really give alot of dmg
molten rivet
Then that's an easy choice then
quick yarrow
What race is better for alliance tank : Kul Tiran it Dark Iron Dwarf ?
brittle owl
kul tiran has a knockback
molten rivet
So MS is even better than RF in ST situations?
brittle owl
which is goos
did is more duppus plus cheesing bleeds
take your pick, it's down to pref
vernal stirrup
kul tiran is slightly more durable but did has the dispel
also did has the tunnel
which is peak qol
brittle owl
you mean the spinny buttplug
vernal stirrup
the duck dildo
brittle owl
the earthern pleaser
vernal stirrup
fat beer bellies
brittle owl
stronk men
undone sun
they're just cultivating mass
brittle owl
big belly means better leverage
sick sentinel
MS is just way way way too good
ionic fern
DID is a really solid choice for m+.
brittle owl
both are tbh
ionic fern
So many things you can dispel etc.
brittle owl
the knockback is underrated tbh
spice ferry
Kultiran are thicccccccccc
spice ferry
Clap their ass instead of feet
brittle owl
or a flamy beard woyer
sick sentinel
kultiran heal is good if you stack vers 🤣
vernal stirrup
or be an elf and have shadowmeld
brittle owl
vers leech is bis tank stats anyway
sick sentinel
can leech crit?
undone sun
😬
undone sun
we've gone too far
undone sun
abandon ship
ionic fern
vernal stirrup
10% leech boys
undone sun
you're not helping mwahi
brittle owl
POG
undone sun
fuck
sick sentinel
LMAO
ionic fern
😂
brittle owl
gotta get those hps padding trinkets too
brittle owl
also use stam flask and stam pots
brittle owl
SO YOU CAN HEAL MORE
spice ferry
Oh my haha
stuck crown
Ashvane Razor Coral - use when avatar is up?
spice ferry
16% Jesus
ionic fern
Preferably before Avatar @stuck crown
vernal stirrup
that's a lot of leech
stuck crown
@ionic fern like right before?
undone sun
avatar wouldn't boost the physical damage portion
sick sentinel
you use it on pull to start stacking
then you consume it with first avatar
for big crits
stuck crown
It crits Tclap right
undone sun
yeah
ionic fern
Yes, right before Avatar is the most optimal place to use it.
stuck crown
so I'm thinking I just macro it to my Avatar
sick sentinel
@ionic fern what was that leech screenshot from
undone sun
reactivate it with avatar
sick sentinel
I need context
undone sun
not the initial cast
stuck crown
yeah thats what I mean
ionic fern
Iirc it was from a +10 i did with all my leech gear equiped and stacking BS. 😂
stuck crown
that way i just have one keybind to hit when it's time for avatar
I'm really liking the combo of both Ashvane trinkets
Seems like a good mixture of DPS and HPS
undone sun
pfft doesn't count then
sick sentinel
lmao
stuck crown
sick sentinel
naga hide 🤢
ionic fern
I just realized you're Kohl @brittle owl 😂
brittle owl
jfc
stuck crown
naga hide doing work obviously
undone sun
ngl, i have avatars off so it never dawned on me as well @ionic fern
ionic fern
😂
undone sun
two completely different names ¯_(ツ)_/¯
ionic fern
^
brittle owl
not my fault this disc doesn't allow nicknames
undone sun
so why not change your base name?
stuck crown
is quick navigation still best enchant?
brittle owl
and my warrior already isn't following that convention
stuck crown
besides naga hide ofc
undone sun
naga isn't even the best for anything
brittle owl
why would you use naga hide
undone sun
it's quick nav or force
brittle owl
lmao
quick nav if haste isn't your highest stat OR you want dps
wait, disregard the dps
force mult for that and if haste is your highest stat
stuck crown
i was trolling with naga comment
ionic fern
Naga is bis for money saving since it's the cheapest. 
stuck crown
a fkn men
sick sentinel
force multiplier
brittle owl
but they're all cheap
ionic fern
😂
sick sentinel
is amazingly amazing
ionic fern
Force multiplier is doing weird things in sims tho so don't look at that.
I Gotta check into it.
sick sentinel
especially if you have haste procs while haste is not your best stat
stuck crown
critical strike is my highest
ionic fern
I am not allowed to talk to orange names.
undone sun
ah
ionic fern
😦
sick sentinel
also @brittle owl you can ask marok to give you a nickname in the server to be your wow character's name
stuck crown
It's like Scientology but for wow
brittle owl
i like to be oblivious in my stubborness
or stubborn in my obliviousness
idk which
sick sentinel
but if you wanna maximise multipling your force
you get your crit to be your highest stat
then you get some haste procs
and at least 2 bom
brittle owl
and get cyclo punchcard
sick sentinel
nah fuck that
stuck crown
Generally speaking, the stat priority should only be followed when comparing gear of the same item level. A piece of gear with a higher item level than what you currently have should be equipped regardless of its secondary stats.
Is that valid advice from icyveins
sick sentinel
that's a completely valid advice
ionic fern
Meanwhile i replaced another haste piece with crit so now i'm at 27% crit
sick sentinel
big
strong forum
I was using nagahide on my vdh, did only 500k over the dungeon idk fam
Thinking bout going back to vers nav
sick sentinel
naga+force bigpbrain Kapp
strong forum
Was just a test anyway
stuck crown
anyone using cursed lover ring yet?
sick sentinel
"wanna be my cursed lover?" is the new wow pickup line
brittle owl
vdh you go force quick for surv, force vers for dps
belt and pants sim very well is a good pickup line ngl
floral bolt
should i drop 10 ilvl on a piece to get 3rd bastion of might trait? :D
sick sentinel
no
grim prawn
regarding m+ because bloodmallet doesn't show damage value from trinkets for multiple mobs do i run 410 vial & 420 Gorecrusted or do i sub out vial for a 400 Red Button?
sick sentinel
vial+block
strong forum
Vial is pretty decent, whereas red button is just pure meh
grim prawn
just wanted to make sure coming over from dk where vial was pretty meh
still trying to like figure out how to play the class lmao
tired hawk
Hello guys, I have a question about Vision of Perfection
Mine is actually rank 2, for the rank 3 we have to do Mecagone 4 times, is that it ?
tough vault
Hardmode is fun
tough vault
Weeks
tired hawk
damnit
grim prawn
what IL is normally decent for Hard?
oblique garnet
415
grim prawn
i did normal at like 395 and it was pretty fuckign rough
strong forum
It's doable with low ilvl, but ilvl makes it hell of a lot easier and quicker
grim prawn
the only boss it was like really difficult on was the wreck boss
but i honeslty think i was making a mistake on that boss anyway lol
strong forum
🤷
grim prawn
Last standing & Rally cry first wreck 2nd wreck Shield walling then just repeating that?
marble cipher
If I have two almost identical pieces of gear, one with mastery over haste, the other with versatility over haste, which would I take?
For M+
I'm assuming vers over haste because 3xBoM?
spice ferry
god the trinket from the world boss is pretty fun, clap ever second gcd 😄
foggy cliff
Is there a good resource to analyze logs (like https://wowanalyzer.com/ ) but for prot war? (it does not seem to be updated)
or its just best to find a 90%+ logs for same boss and see what the person did there?
uncut juniper
What trinkets do you guys use for maximum DMG output in lower 10 mythic+?
strong forum
@marble cipher there's no noticeable difference if the pieces are almost identical, but ye the vers gets you more use
marble cipher
K, thanks!
rapid jewel
does someone knows a good clearspeed for FH boosting?
void berry
I heard droods doing it in 7 minutes is a good speed. But can't vouch for it.
rapid jewel
hmm, still one minute short with my prot ...
copper pewter
Just got enough to buy a random 445 azerite piece from the vendor. Should I be holding on so I can buy specific ones or is it worth the dice roll you think?
ionic fern
I've always rolled for a random one.
Chances are you'll get decent pieces from raid (if you raid...) regardless.
marble cipher
On that same topic, I would assume it's worth losing one BoM trait for the +25 ilvls the azerite items give?
ionic fern
Yes.
marble cipher
(I'm always afraid to gamble because I don't want to lose my BoM's =D)
K, then I'll just check my worst piece tonight and gamble that slot
copper pewter
Thanks Mwahi, just always anxious to gamble in case I put myself behind chasing that sweet sweet ilvl for no purpose 😛
rapid jewel
if you cant decide on what piece, start shoulders. All of them expect one are decent and 4 out of 6 have BoM
marble cipher
And (in case you play fury offspec), C'thraxxi shoulders are 🤤
copper pewter
Both sound pieces of advice, as I do have Fury offspec 😄
sharp abyss
I gambled and got all 3 BoM and 2 DC that I use and the Brace for Impact pretty sure thats thw shield slam one (not at pc)
sharp abyss
Yeah I just took it and ran with it lol still shocked I got 2 DC and all 3 BoM
marble cipher
Purely Dungeon Slice gamble sim shows chests miles ahead of the other slots, but I guess that's also cause they grant more stats?
proper seal
is it worth it gambling chests? I offspec arms for PvP and its my lowest ilvl, chest has BoM and DC though
sick sentinel
is Divers Folly good for prot?
brisk ferry
yes it is
proper seal
Alright thanks! I got Edicts of the Faithless ilvl 430 and diamond laced refracting prism 400, Idk what to swap those trinkets for, I'm only tanking M+ and trying to push 15-20 keys. Whats the usual essence combo, running VoP major and Memory minor atm
ionic fern
Consider Sphere of Suppression minor, it's decent. 👌
And for trinkets Rezans/Gore are both good for m+.
proper seal
Ahh basically 100% uptime on the haste buff I guess! DOes the slow dr or is it always active
Alright I'll replace the prism for rezans then, thank you
dreamy epoch
Is it basically visions major and lucid minor for m+ pushing or are any of the self heal essences actually worth using?
ionic fern
I'm running CoF major/VoP minor. 🤷
Lucid minor feels pretty lackluster.
You can also consider Dynamo minor for some dungeons and as mentioned before - Sphere.
weary thorn
anima of death can be fun for dps in m+ as well
oblique garnet
Vision major lucid minor for m+ is best ive found so far
proper seal
Yeah Lucid minor feels kinda meh as prot, unlike Arms, Anima is kinda iffy, depends on affixes and dungeons imo
stuck swift
Hey guys, how good can be the helmet from Mechagon Hardmode+Trinket on warrior tank?
oblique garnet
clap harder
strong forum
I'm clapping bro
I'm averaging 25k now okay
Did 30k in WM yesterday okay
I'm trying
exotic spoke
What’s up
void berry
Going into raid with CoF + Dynamo tonight
Gonna enjoy the deeps.
@stuck swift I'm playing with that helm 'cause it changed my 405 one. Can't say much about it yet but 300 haste on my helmet feels nice.
jade olive
Should I switch my 420 chest w BoM (got 3 BoM and 1 DC) for a 430 chest w/o BoM, just for ilvl?
stuck swift
@void berry yeah, i use it for the same reason and feels nice
tough vault
what trais does it have @jade olive
weary thorn
losing 1 bom is worth 25 ilvl
especially on chest with the amount of stats gained
wait 10 ilvl?
jade olive
yeah
weary thorn
I was thinkin you bought the piece, my bad
sick sentinel
take ilvl
exotic spoke
^^
weary thorn
I had to make the same exact choice on my chest yesterday, but it was the 445 version, so ilvl won
jade olive
oh, ok. So ilvl should be the way to go, have atleast 2 BoM
sick sentinel
if you have a ham sandwich with higher ilvl use the sandwich
red cave
its been a long time, i remember heroic throw resets the swing timer, but does anyone know offhand if storm bolt and shockwave also function the same way? or how I would test for this?
jade olive
mmmmm... sandwitch
weary thorn
from what I've seen, the only time it might not be worth it to upgrade is if you lose your only DC trait
jade olive
thanks mates
weary thorn
cheers
sharp abyss
Buff Avatar again
exotic spoke
Did 24k on WM 16. We fucked tree boss. Went to clear 3 times and the fire disappeared each time >.>
sharp abyss
Rip
exotic spoke
Feelsbadman. Still timed it cause it’s an easy week
sharp abyss
When I tank things in keys I feel a little weak or so compared to other I have seen
proper seal
warrior feels pretty good in m+ imo
sick sentinel
https://i.imgur.com/zyqoNR3.png which trinket combo should i use?
tepid lotus
for what? @sick sentinel
sick sentinel
dungeon tanking
tepid lotus
theyre all p low ilvl tbh as soon as you get an ilvl spike youll be replacing them
you have the haste proc on pocket sized so defo use that
sick sentinel
ok
tepid lotus
seeing as youre probably low ilvl ish judging from your trinks
use the compendium for more survivalbility and try push some higher keys for better loot / trinkets
tepid lotus
until youre higher ilvl id use tankier trinkets
thats my personal preference though
im also ahving the same problem dollar doe lol
stuck for which i use out of pocket sized and gore crushed
@sick sentinel an important thing to note btw, if youre tanking you need to remove neutral silencer from your pocket sized trinket as this makes you immune to effects like tricks of the trade and misdirection
sick sentinel
how do i remove it?
tepid lotus
gotta get another blue card
manic cipher
Is overwhelming power worth using or does it just end to fast?
lethal plaza
might be a dumb Q, but never tried...can you use CoF on yourself for heals?
manic cipher
oki nice
tepid lotus
@spice ferry why is Mchimbas bad?
exotic spoke
Yes Cap you can
tepid lotus
15 ilvl higher than my pocketsized?
exotic spoke
Pocket sized is a very powerful single target dps or survival trinket. Depending on what you put in it.
west snow
Nothing better than getting a 440 red card that lets me MC stuff in mechagon during my HM run...
strong forum
Hah.
exotic spoke
Lol
strong forum
I wish I could get higher ilvl cycolo blast
So I could get a higher ilvl in the trinket
Than 428
exotic spoke
It’s a good week to run it imo
west snow
Planning to push keys this week. Anyone know which dungeons have crappy layouts this week?
strong forum
Atal
Double void pack on the right, 1 you can't skip unless you do ultra galaxy brain plays
west snow
Yikes
exotic spoke
Is it the pack before the bridge and the pack before the boss Nome?
marble cipher
Isn't it an option to go left in stead then?
Even though that side on teeming is far from fun either...
As is middle, with three fear-birds...
On second thought, let's just skip A'tal 😄
exotic spoke
I mean the pterodactyls aren’t bad pretty much ever.
On a tyrannical week, I don’t see a major issue on the bridge pack. Burn void in LoS and blow defensives
The pack before the boss, probably similar - blow up the void and then turn it into a death skip maybe?
strong forum
Riki it's the one infront of volkaal yes, and the one on the edge of right side, before the stealth boi, you can't skip
exotic spoke
Oh, that pack. Yeah ducking blow that void up and soak the explosion
Until high keys that’s viable lol
strong forum
Soak explosion?
sand egret
yeah, stack on her for extra intimidation factor.
exotic spoke
Just eat it basically. Just have single target cooldowns and know that you’re going to take the first explosion
strong forum
Oh you mean just don't hide
sand egret
it isn't just not hiding
strong forum
Well you habe to take 2
sand egret
it's making a STATEMENT
exotic spoke
I mean, I guess you have to take 2?
marble cipher
But, I'm talking minor keys (11-12)
strong forum
3 is cutting it close, in 15+ you won't be able to kill it before 2nd cast
sand egret
does that damage even scale? I thought it was % based
exotic spoke
We had no problems staying in LoS last night and killing them before the second cast
strong forum
Usually kill before 3rd cast
exotic spoke
I disagree Nome
sand egret
her hp scales, but the blast I dont think does
exotic spoke
If we had CDs we had no issues killing before second cast
exotic spoke
If we didn’t, we killed before third
strong forum
Ye killing before 3rd is the usual
But the issue is, it's within the pack with 1 shield boi 1 cater boi and 1 totem boi
On right side
Or even 2 casters
exotic spoke
Eh, didn’t need all CDs, but yeah voids are easy. Knowing that placement you’d have to save CDs for that pack
strong forum
Either way you're bound to get fucking trucked there, rogue is highly likely to join too
exotic spoke
It’s annoying but feels doable. Maybe left side is preferred path this week?
west snow
Any other shit show instances?
exotic spoke
ToS has a void on the third pack. So can’t do the early shroud that people normally do.
Void also in pack after the first boss at the top of the hill / where the first snake / dust clouds are.
Two voids in the gauntlet.
Didn’t feel bad, just know where those are and plan your skips accordingly. we ended way over percent. I think the first eye gave us 100%
lethal plaza
anyway to see how much the engi goggs absorb trait helped out in logs?
warm plinth
Look at damage taken by absorbotron probably
ebon geyser
I posted some logs in log review that I would appreciate if some of you veteran prot warriors could take a look so I can help my fellow OT. Thanks.
lethal plaza
thx Ghash, around 500k on M radiance apparently
warm plinth
Any particular thing you want looked at @ebon geyser
lethal plaza
wait, had to filter out IP, only like 63k....but it's possible ip was up during, so no way to tell exactly
lusty grotto
your face @warm plinth
strong forum
How's that toxic
lusty grotto
😮
strong forum
He just wants to see your beautiful face
warm plinth
It’s safer to assume Nim is being toxic.
strong forum
Many rude
oblique garnet
@ebon geyser he is not using shieldblock at times when hes tanking
He only has 50% blocked hits
lusty grotto
oblique garnet
Which is really low
lusty grotto
let me see this log
warm plinth
He only used demo shout one time on the Sivara kill.
Yikes
Same with behemoth
Okay yeah that’s a trend. Remind him that he needs to be using demo shout on CD.
That’s the whole point of the Booming Voice talent.
Can’t look at blocked hits on mobile but Late already said his blocked hits are low
oblique garnet
#449510248579858432 is dead channel change my mind
exotic spoke
Can’t check logs effectively on mobile.... only really stay active when I’m not at home
oblique garnet
Yeah its hard to do effective log review when youre not on pc
exotic spoke
Yup, so much so that occasionally I’ll copy the link and hand key it in when I have to at work
But; if lates already pointing things out like blocked hits % then oof
ebon geyser
Late went straight to the jugular
exotic spoke
Why wouldn’t you?
oblique garnet
It might sound rude but if the guy is not playing the class like hes supposed to 🤷 im not much for sugarcoating
exotic spoke
That is the biggest potential increase in survivability. If he’s blocking a minimal amount of attacks that’s a lot of extra healing required
warm plinth
Yeah...to be honest I get a little frustrated when people like Arkellian have to come in here for their co-tank. It just makes me feel like the person they're asking about doesn't give a shit.
Because if they did, they'd be here themselves
exotic spoke
I go to other places to learn about other tanks to address issues if I think they are under performing.
But I hold myself to high standards - and by extension the other tank
oblique garnet
Once you have tanked a while you can tell if the other tank is competent or not
lusty grotto
Yup
void berry
And I'm sitting here, parsing 94 avera on DPS and 5 average on HPS, knowing I'm a sucky, sucky prot :'D
lusty grotto
Those rankings don't mean anything regarding your tank ability
void berry
I'll have to check my %blocked when I get home, I never checked.
lethal plaza
i'm super upset with my traits so far...think i'm just going to go with most damage.
shut summit
Have gotten those shoulders twice from gambling so far, it's great
lusty grotto
rip
shut summit
lethal plaza
same D=
honest frigate
I got breastplate of the vengeful from gambling this week. Blightborne infusion is pog
lethal plaza
I should have rolled chest, and waited for behemoth shoulders
i was going for a BoM tho, and 4/6 shoulders have it...lost the gamble
shut summit
Yup
oblique garnet
You too huh?
sand egret
Nothing feels as good as gambling that sweet, sweet TR and getting that shitty piece. Don't worry! You got enough for one more try.....annnnd it's the same piece. (me last night)
honest frigate
I’m just going to save for a piece now. No need to waste it on gambling
sand egret
if i get 3 of the same pieces I should be able to trade it in for one I want
honest frigate
My Azerite is all 445 and perfectly fine to clear the content with
exotic spoke
Absolutely you can Late. But how they get better sometimes requires more information
worn socket
How much of Prots DPS is based off of your weapon damage/stats?
I noticed in details that thunderclap was accounting for 30% and basic melee hits were accounting for 18%
So that means that having a lower iLvL weapon vs a higher iLvL weapon has a pretty serious impact on your DPS right? Sound obvious I know lol, but I thought maybe Prot wasn't as reliant on their weapon for DPS compared to your typical DPS character
exotic spoke
We absolutely are reliant on our weapon. You should always use the highest Ilvl weapon you get as prot.
cobalt trellis
does anyone know the stat distribution %wise from the punch card? like 75% to 25% or 60% to 40%? have read different numbers on that
sand egret
its 60/40
red wedge
And it reduces your other stats to your minimum, so they're not technically Zero. But may as well be.
sand egret
assuming you mean the optimization card
red wedge
Yar
sand egret
yeah, the minimum dictated by your spec. It also doesn't distribute non-stat value buffs
cobalt trellis
well afaik the ratings are zero, but you cant drop below say 5% crit, because your char has that baseline (or say 10% mastery depending on spec of course)
sand egret
so the Paku racial, for instance will still give you 4% crit
cobalt trellis
yeah if it was rating, it would be distributed but its 4% crit base
ok thx so 60 - 40
sand egret
yep, so same with ITF and lust
yeah, also note that it does not snapshot
it dynamically updates at very rapid intervals,
red wedge
I saw a 420 Subroutine: Overclock drop yesterday. The guy needed it. I was so sad
sand egret
you "may" see brief (fraction of a second) intervals when your stats appear to be negative, but from what I've tested this is more or less a UI/rounding issue when the buff "updates".
I have a crit/mastery one on my tank and I get ~70% crit rate when it procs lol. Certainly amusing
red wedge
I got lucky and have a 420 Haste/Vers in mine. Got it from the blueprint a couple days after release. lol
I think I made like 8 of them before I got that one, though
sand egret
nice nice. yeah mine is on my bear, so slightly different. But with my inflated crit I also have 50% dodge, which is also hilarious
red wedge
lol awesome
sand egret
but it got me thinking of it on a warrior, esp since you'll still be able to maintain a 15% haste regardless due to ITF.
oh man though, when that shit procs on a pull I feel like a Fire Mage
red wedge
Yea. I was debating using a crit heavy one, but I dont want to lose my 420 haste one
sand egret
yeah that 420 is a great bid. I'd love to have more freedom to mess around with it but I don't have the cards to burn haha
red wedge
I wish they'd let us get more actual trinkets
sand egret
I'm still looking for the dodge one 😦
exotic spoke
Me too racial
sick sentinel
hey guys, are we suppoesd to be taking callous reprisal now? azerite power weights says it's 10/10
like, above brace for impact? i have 2 pieces with DC
warm plinth
I’ve literally never heard of azerite power weights. And no, CR is still like the second worst trait.
sick sentinel
simply put its an addon that attempts to assign a 1-10 value on XYZ trait based on spec.
brisk ferry
CR is one of the worst both offensively and defensively I believe
warm plinth
Yeah idk who did the weight for prot but that’s absolutely not even close
CR would be like a 2 or 3 on a scale of 10. It’s pretty meh in comparison to its alternatives.
sick sentinel
what about gemhide vs crystaline carapace?
brisk ferry
whats the 3rd?
sick sentinel
globules
sand egret
gem > cc > glob, imho
warm plinth
Same
sand egret
glob is really bad and at least gem gives avoidance
warm plinth
Same lol
sand egret
not the best slot, but gotta work with what ya got
brisk ferry
yeah exactly
it's my lifestyle apparently, cannot gamble azerite for the life of me
on the path to triple BFI, triple IF 
sick sentinel
i'm 428 ilvl myself now, debating if its worth it to start dropping defensive ones for offensive ones
brisk ferry
the easiest for us to gauge your traits is to pop it in raidbots and screen cap that, and we can see all you're working with
patent flower
@sick sentinel I am dps optimized atm in the trait/trinket department. I’m 336 ilvl and we are trying to get through mythic ashvane dps check. The damage taken is manageable and I don’t really notice a difference now that I’ve gone offensive.
willow scarab
How are you juggling the tanking portions and what's your best pull? @patent flower
stiff drum
440 gore crust or 430 with a socket 🤔 ?
brisk ferry
sorry what I meant @sick sentinel is if you put it in but before you sim, select top gear and snippet the azerite pieces you have equipped/in bags
then we can see all you're working with
willow scarab
give us a pastebin of your full simcraft string from the in-game addon
brisk ferry
yeah or that
(you can also generate the full string in raidbots if you search the character)
willow scarab
I want bags too
brisk ferry
oh right mb
willow scarab
this 17.6 could for sure be 25
sick sentinel
last week gave me bags under my eyes
good lord do i ever not want to ever do sanguine grevious ever again
willow scarab
have you tried equipping a shield
brisk ferry
beat me to it lol
void berry
Ow you need a shield ?!
void berry
I have to say I'm stunned at how little I manage to block 'cause I focus a lot on keeping my 3 shield block into last stand rotation.
mystic whale
anyone with high damage parse mind sharing their logs ?
sick sentinel
no shield? what do i look like? a death knight?
willow scarab
take flurry in the first row @strong forum the goat shoulders
brisk ferry
oh how I wish DK was what it once was
strong forum
really.
willow scarab
yes look me up @mystic whale
mystic whale
doing high damage in raid is an absolute mystery to me. Unless most people actually cut all defensive stats for dps
willow scarab
on phone atm
strong forum
ye look up fumei's parse
hes #1
im like #20 without benthic memes if you wanna look up mine
mystic whale
what server you on
strong forum
Fumeiyo is alliance US
im Kazzak EU
willow scarab
Frostmourne US
sick sentinel
I've been thinking about transferring to another server
mystic whale
thanks guys ill check out your logs
distant crystal
i mean you killed it 3 times
mystic whale
@strong forum that armor is sick. Worst part about having taken a break during 7.3 was missing out on that one lol
warm plinth
TFW my 419 paladin has a higher weapon than that Fum. That’s fucking rough.
willow scarab
3 times 3 coins
and people can trade
the worst thing is 440ilvl with a 420 shield
distant crystal
how many str 1h traders you got in your raid?
willow scarab
progging orgozoa
void berry
Oh guys you made fun of me but those block numbers are actually normal right ? 😮
This is Sense's
I mean, he absorbed more but didn't block that much more
willow scarab
pick apart my argument i've had 6 shots i should have a weapon lmao
2 people with 445 offspec weapons can trade
exotic spoke
That’s stupid but yes.
Strength one hand users are super rare in my guild. It’s me and 1 dk
distant crystal
@void berry you can't block the adds on Radiance
sick sentinel
i mean, there really isn't that many str 1 hand users in the game to begin with any how.
distant crystal
that's probably what you're seeing, Sense blocked 65% of boss hits
void berry
Good call to check the boss hits, I'll check that
willow scarab
it's tilting to be trying to prog 5th boss in raid with less gear than people who've killed 2 bosses
that's all
just venting
distant crystal
our tank was griping about how hard the adds were trucking him then realized he shouldn't be using SB and just spamming IB instead for that phase
willow scarab
People should just kick and cc adds they die in a few seconds
graceful cobalt
wich profesions are the best for Tank Warrior?
willow scarab
Did you want to give us your simcraft string from pastbin so we can get your dps up @sick sentinel
turbid wing
Anyone got good tips for Orgozoa M besides using defensives for the start when stacks are low?
willow scarab
All professions are the same, engineering and blacksmithing help you gear faster @graceful cobalt
versed blade
How do you post a sim craft string in here
willow scarab
with a pastebin link
versed blade
I’ll probably do that later today
oblique garnet
Like you would in basically any scenario
versed blade
I don’t really do siming
willow scarab
I pull with last stand because it's back up again for the next swap
Also cop a cocoon on each swap
turbid wing
yeah. I planned to use LS because the timing seemed to be okay for it
willow scarab
There aren't many tips for it
just.. play full defensive the whole time and beg your healers
turbid wing
okay. I mean the fight seems very straight forward for us
willow scarab
that's where i'm at so far on it
versed blade
When going for high dps do you ever ignore ilvl or is that still the same where u go highest ilvl?
willow scarab
only ignore ilvl for benthic pieces and the sim will tell you when it's worth it
turbid wing
beg my healers I can already see the result 
oblique garnet
your 420 shield isnt doing you any favors on gorgonzola fume 😄
willow scarab
You're telling me
turbid wing
got a big shield last week...so I am quite happy :^)
willow scarab
Last stand on pull is stupid
oblique garnet
i have 445 shield and the first initial hit chunks me alot aswell
willow scarab
but you gotta do what you gotta do
62 neck for the extra stamina
i'm over 500k unbuffed at this point
oblique garnet
445 azerites?
willow scarab
3x in first week
last mason
this is likely a stupid quesion but you guys would drop boms for azerite ilvl right
shut summit
🙃
oblique garnet
rather run my 435 lockjaw over those
strong forum
i just got cthraxxi
sick sentinel
https://pastebin.com/8zY3mTW3 nothing worth noting in bags, saving for 445 azerite now
strong forum
seems like im parsing whore now
turbid wing
I just hate that random azerite gamle...
sick sentinel
I wanna roll and get kraken shell
turbid wing
*gamble
oblique garnet
#PrayForKraken
sick sentinel
I did more dps with a 420 kraken shell compared than mythic behemoth behemoth
@willow scarab why do you even want cthrax
they are not even good for us
strong forum
RF + swriling sands
oblique garnet
🤷
willow scarab
3x RF 3x Overwhelming 1x Za'qul axe 1x gale-force
Sims don't cover that unless you specifically choose to
willow scarab
even without i think it's the build to do
sick sentinel
that's different
willow scarab
zaqul just breaks it
@sick sentinel enjoy your 17k sim is now a 24k sim https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5PCTKSJtTDXTudu7Axbxfk
chrome falcon
HMMMM
i wonder what's going to be better for dps on ashvane
rank 3 vision or rank 3 crucible
sick sentinel
cof
willow scarab
IF you sim it you'll see instantly that cof is far ahead of visions
chrome falcon
cof certainly makes ME do more dps
willow scarab
for all ST
strong forum
cof will always come ahead in raid
warm plinth
This guy, being all non-selfish and shit
chrome falcon
120 haste is like a couple hundred dps
strong forum
thats like 1% haste
sick sentinel
1.5% :)))
chrome falcon
1% haste is relevant
willow scarab
Why don't you play a full versatility defensive absorb build to let your healers do more dps
chrome falcon
on THREE people
chrome falcon
my healers are not healing me at all on that fight anyway
sick sentinel
Thank you @willow scarab i'm going to bookmark that site and give a mythic a go tonight with that see how well it does.
chrome falcon
ashvane does 0 damage
sick sentinel
wait @sick sentinel
chrome falcon
sure but that's raid damage
sick sentinel
BoM on the chest sims 100 dps less than Thunderous Blast
oblique garnet
You need a better shield 👏
chrome falcon
i ran rank 3 tank essence
and it was insane for DR
but our dps isn't high enough
sick sentinel
so you should definitely choose BoM instead
willow scarab
@sick sentinel get revered with rustbolt and get a 415 red card from them, that will be a bigger dps choice
exotic spoke
^^ just becareful when you use it.
willow scarab
I ran undying gift too it was good for barnacle smashes
turbid wing
ashvane did some dmg but most of it can be predicted. I mean main dmg income is from the raid dmg
willow scarab
To kill Ashvane I had to run an entire defensive build and I also tanked her solo from 40%-0%
chrome falcon
yeah you can tank ashvane solo very easily for a long time
sick sentinel
4,200 rep towards revered with them, i'll get there eventually.
willow scarab
We even used a battle shaman to cover the healing
chrome falcon
she melees like a baby and barnacle is super predictable
willow scarab
I don't know what god level healers you guys are running
sick sentinel
need flying someday anyhow
chrome falcon
did you run 3 heal+restodps or
willow scarab
yes
chrome falcon
2 heal+restodps
willow scarab
3 heals and battle shaman
oblique garnet
3 heal no restodps
willow scarab
he got rank 1 for damage by 6k over the next battle shaman so he barely healed
but we still had him
chrome falcon
yeah we were doing something similar but
made more sense to just drop the shaman and get another dps in
idk we should get it in tonight, we were like 5% behind the dps check last time
last mason
can u only get reliqaries off bosses once a week?
willow scarab
After we brought in the battle shaman we went from not quite breaking the final shield to a kill within like an hour
turbid wing
we went full meta and did 2 disc, 1 holy pal. but kill was very very close to wipe due to shield
oblique garnet
Damn fumeiyo you took so much damage on ashvane o.O
warm plinth
Worst. Prot. Ever.
willow scarab
i was going for a dtps record
warm plinth
🙃
chrome falcon
fuck i wish i had fucking rank 3 null barrier
stark ruin
maybe the healers wanted to parse?
chrome falcon
why did i buy so many fucking 420 trinkets
willow scarab
send me your log late
warm plinth
Because you hate yourself and love farming endless chests hoping for a single oscillator?
willow scarab
my co-tank did the same thing as you fools
exotic spoke
That’s my situation too mattacate. Fuck me for going for TF cards / trinkets
willow scarab
i got r3 a week ago like a real tank
lusty grotto
i just need dps r2 and r3 which are discounted 😉
turbid wing
hmm I also got 21.3k EHRPS and tanked the last 36% ... but I went for more dmg gear as it seems
lusty grotto
btw, null r3 in world pvp is insane lol
exotic spoke
@willow scarab I thought better of you sir
lusty grotto
i went into nazjatar alliance town
turbid wing
feelin bad : /
willow scarab
lusty grotto
and wiped everyone with 2 people
around a 6 or 7 people
got my call to arms done so fast
honest frigate
I went full offensive on ashvane too
oblique garnet
oh you had 2 dks soaking
honest frigate
Ran devastator and inkpod/rezans
willow scarab
most of the top logs ran it
oblique garnet
We had 2 guardians soak
exotic spoke
Nim... so :
willow scarab
gch takes 3 less barnacle bashes and 20 less melees
i have a 420 shield
kinda prohibits me from a damage build like you cool guys
turbid wing
hm yeah probably
oblique garnet
Just loot it 8)
exotic spoke
Fumeiyo... what I’m hearing is that we should do double tank m+ and I can pass a shield to your
oblique garnet
I opened my weekly chest got another 440 shield
strong forum
we're gonna bully our havoc into VDH for ashvane
oblique garnet
3rd week in a row btw
strong forum
and make him soak bitch
honest frigate
I got a 440 rezans pog
turbid wing
I mean... I got super lucky and got 450 shield with socket... I am gonna hide and raid now 😳
strong forum
cuz no one else was willing to
wooden radish
@ionic fern boop
stark ruin
I got a Merekhta's fang from the chest
willow scarab
Let's just 5 tank some keys so I can get a shield
willow scarab
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
strong forum
:^)
willow scarab
I try to do at least 1 key a day for a shield
honest frigate
I need a 455 socketed shield though
ionic fern
strong forum
455 indes + leech + avoidance and socket
willow scarab
why not equip 2 shields
weary thorn
Titan Grip double shields
honest frigate
Also devastator with zaqul weapon is op I feel like I’m generating more rage than with booming due to how often in shield slamming
exotic spoke
Fumeiyo, if you do I can at least pass 430 shields if you want to do it.
willow scarab
Like I said
3x RF 3x OP 1x Za'qul 1x Gale-force
Enjoy your rank 1 parse and infinite rage
honest frigate
Lmao
willow scarab
It's 3am here so i'm definitely gonna sleep but i'm keen for shield farming at some point
honest frigate
Come be horde and I’ll trade you
willow scarab
Do you think blizzard is witholding a shield to test my ability to play around the situation
honest frigate
I’m like 438 Ilvl now big trades inc
exotic spoke
Yes probably
turbid wing
I had the same situation in BOD
had Jaina on farm before I got shield from first boss..
warm plinth
@exotic spoke I’m a trainer at my work. This is what new hires see when they first walk into the training room.
exotic spoke
I was last person to get a 415 shield. Shaman who came back got a 425 shield before he had a 1 hander
turbid wing
same
exotic spoke
Lol very nice
willow scarab
I got a 415 a few weeks in and then never another shield to my name
oblique garnet
@warm plinth Wrong banner
warm plinth
lol, the site I got that from has a pretty cool horde banner. It's basically that, but it's like shredded by claws and you see the horde banner revealed behind it
exotic spoke
Stop being toxic late.
I’m going to drag ghash’s broken body through a 15 m+ this week and he’s tanking it
neat lagoon
440 Crit Mastery hands or 430 Haste mastery with a socket?
willow scarab
At least this week is a joke week
warm plinth
Yeah
willow scarab
440 for survival, sim it for dps
tepid lotus
is rank 3 anima of life and death better than rank 2 vision?
tepid lotus
m+ pushing
brittle owl
ya
tepid lotus
434 ilvl prot warrior
brittle owl
they still do completely diff things
lunar spade
What azerite lottery pieces should we go for first ? ( only got the first 3 bosses mythic on farm )
brittle owl
depends on what you want
exotic spoke
And it depends on what you’re asking. Better survivability, better offensively, better as majors or minors?
oblique garnet
no anima is not better
oblique garnet
It has nothing to do with those
sick sentinel
anima for big pad
brittle owl
there's no real objective comparison to make
warm plinth
It's a 2 minute CD, even at rank 3 btw.
brittle owl
eh mb there
warm plinth
I think it would see a lot more use if it was 1 min lol
sand egret
if anima was a 1min cd
warm plinth
Just for the damage
sick sentinel
make ur number on details go up so it's probably really good
sand egret
oh mah lord
tepid lotus
maelkenar wtf are you on about
warm plinth
It would be orgasmic if it was 1 min CD 😂
sick sentinel
what mael is saying is completely relevant
tepid lotus
there is an objectively best trait
sick sentinel
it depends on what you want
sand egret
biggest issue with Anima is that there are no crits. Big numbers that can't crit = spell reflect problem
exotic spoke
@tepid lotus but you never said if you want offense or defense that’s a key point right there
brittle owl
on the basis of multiple factors
sick sentinel
there is not an objectively better mplus essence
tepid lotus
on waht area of the game youre playing
sand egret
there is also no objectively best trait, as it's still contextual
exotic spoke
Do you mean offensive or defensive? Are you talking majors or minors
tepid lotus
majors ofc
exotic spoke
You asked an extremely open ended question and yet still after prodding haven’t specified all the requirements
Ok, defensive or offensive?
brittle owl
also for m+ stuff changes from week to week
it's a better approach to try ti understand what rhe essences achieve
rather than just slapping one there and calling it a day
sand egret
sicks dingus on necrotic
exotic spoke
Personally, I think anima is worth with vision as a minor most weeks
sick sentinel
And it's bad on necrotic
weary thorn
I've been having a lot of fun with anima+vision minor
warm plinth
Um excuse me, it's not bad on necrotic.
exotic spoke
Can wait for 65 with nullification as my last minor
brittle owl
sphere can be good for necro if you lack the group that could help you kite to reset, or just slow down the buildup of stacks
warm plinth
It lines up perfectly with stoneform 😏
brittle owl
and the examples can be endless
sick sentinel
Good one ghash
brittle owl
when you get into specific dungeons
warm plinth
Thanks. I was pretty proud of that.
sand egret
check your privledge Ghash
brittle owl
with diff dmg profiles
warm plinth
😂
lusty grotto
smh ghash
exotic spoke
Kiting on necrotic weeks in most cases 
sand egret
I see you posting that toxic work environment
exotic spoke
You’re blade
warm plinth
lmao
lusty grotto
😡
sick sentinel
Sphere with high crit gear on necrotic can help you drop necrotic stacks during bosses
sand egret
might as well have Nim do orientation.
exotic spoke
Gtfo with that horde bullshit
brittle owl
or just gain stacks really slow on trash
warm plinth
The only person who has seen it who played WoW was also alliance, so it's been fine so far!
lusty grotto
ahem what's going on here
warm plinth
They literally walked in and first words they spoke in the workplace were "glad to see you chose the correct faction"
warm plinth
last mason
is rank 2 perfection a high drop chance
warm plinth
It's 100%
sand egret
100%
warm plinth
As long as you have rank 1
last mason
oh ok
sand egret
101%
lusty grotto
50% of the time, every time
lusty grotto
im sorry johnny kaege, i butchered that 😢
brittle owl
no one will know now
sand egret
i will
lusty grotto
it smells like big foot's dick
soft prairie
rank 3 perfection is 100% drop if you have rank 2, 200% dropchance if you do hardmode
sand egret
i screenshot everything Nim fails at posting
lusty grotto
😡
warm plinth
You're a 200% drop chance
random dock
Sorry if this is a silly question or if I missed the answer on a guide, but between Callous Reprisal and Tradewinds, which one would I be better off with? I saw that CR is ranked really low in the guide but didn't see any mention for Tradewinds.
distant crystal
TW
strong forum
CR is really fucking meh
weary thorn
TW
strong forum
Tradwinds is better
brittle owl
they're both eh
random dock
Is it just better of the two or is it actually a useful- oh
brittle owl
git better azerite is the answer👌
strong forum
not saying TW is good, but its better
brittle owl
10/10 is 1
warm plinth
That's a great point lol
random dock
Thanks folks!
brittle owl
in abelian space
lusty grotto
im sorry
sick sentinel
I'd still sim tbh
brittle owl
^
lusty grotto
azerite (sorry theyre talking about angular)
brittle owl
honestly that
lusty grotto
here
sand egret
i read that as: "10 out of 10 people found this trait disappointing"
warm plinth
Looks like it's supposed to be crucible weights but for azerite traits
lusty grotto
barf
warm plinth
Yeah
brisk ferry
CR had so much potential in M+ too, unfortunate
sand egret
I really wanna build an addon that just says "upgrade" or "not-upgrade" for gear but just actually have it be a randomizer that picks an option for gear and see how many people would use it
warm plinth
lol