aye got a 440 shield out of my first weekly chest too. Game was making up for never giving me a shield or weap last season
#protection
weary thorn
exotic spoke
There were dungeons where my shield would be at 50% and I died maybe once
rapid tide
Saw it, ty Liv. Will give it a look
spice ferry
Shield is always broken first I feel
fickle urchin
huh, i know it used to be like that in the really old days, i just woulda figured that woulda been changed. Remember people carrying backup shields specifically. I cant remember if that was classic or tbc or both though.
exotic spoke
430 socketed indestructible shield. It’s fucking amazing.
exotic spoke
It’s not every attack alx, but yeah, it’s annoying. Shield broke mid Kr on last boss in like a 19 last season
strong forum
Slowly creeping up to 440 equipped
exotic spoke
440 weapon from TD Sunday. That felt good
fickle urchin
i usually get my shields from our shammies from raiding
but then, I m dps
think i run prot loot on first boss though
strong forum
Ye shamy traded me the shield
fickle urchin
cause getting a 1hander is almost impossible without prot loot in my guild raids
strong forum
I got lucky 440 from 1st boss 1st week hc
But my goal is like 450 ilvl equipped, so long way to go
rapid jewel
how long till new affixes in US?
weary thorn
like 2 hours?
maybe 1.5
its either 11 or 1130 est, but I'm always at work so I never remember
thorny pumice
It's 11
weary thorn
there ya go
exotic spoke
Good luck on your chest of disappointments today / tomorrow
fickle urchin
first week of necrotic is gonna be interesting
exotic spoke
Nah, it’ll be amazing is what it’ll be
fickle urchin
with the cc immune emissaries
emissary of the tides
god damnit discord
has anyone else started going left side on AD btw?
fickle urchin
we v been doing it
i mean we only do like 13-14 so far but it seems easier for us
screws heroism timings on bosses though
ionic fern
Still doing the same route as before on AD..so right side for us.
fickle urchin
with the cc immune emissaries
oblique garnet
left side atal is nogo
fickle urchin
discord being weird right now double posting stuff i write
oblique garnet
colossus comes in a slaps dps or healer and its instant death 8))
fickle urchin
the beam?
oblique garnet
yeah
fickle urchin
yeah it hit us hard, we managed though, but only a 14 fort
i guess it gets unmanageable later on
mental scarab
Btw how many weeks until the MDT addon is updated?
undone sun
might want to ask method ¯_(ツ)_/¯
oblique garnet
probably when nnogga gets around to it
jagged bay
maybe it will take alot of time the mdi is comming up and not sure if nnogga still participates
strong forum
And the beguiling adds are not known for everything whatsoever
We're gonna see steady updates for mdi but not as 'accurate' as it was before from now on
oblique garnet
nnogga is not partaking in mdi afaik
strong forum
Since prog is finished
But he's 100% taking a break from wow for atleast 1 week
He was so tilted last Saturday
So. Fucking. Tilted
Especially at Chat
Asking for constant :'why frost when unholy Sims better?'
'frost better than unholy?, on which boss is unholy better than frost?' everyday
strong forum
Well if you progress for 13 days straight and grind the living shit out of the game and insane weak auras
And people just ask stupid question 24/7
Without thinking, stuff gets to you
rapid tide
If someone pms you everyday from a new alt acc that your decisions are wrong etc.
You can ignore them as much as you want you will get affected by that 😄
fickle urchin
yeah ok
oblique garnet
well yeah nnogga also made most of their weakauras for progress
strong forum
Yup
fickle urchin
i sorta expected method to use a third party chat client when on prog, and just remove ingame chat pannel completely.
strong forum
Spent hours upon hours
oblique garnet
so even if he wasnt playing, on the bench he was looking at timers n shit to make them
strong forum
He was staying up like 2-3hrs longer than everyone else
If not more
Or pulled all nighters
That's bound to put you on edge
rapid tide
I mean in all honesty, I don't think anyone wonders that he won't step away from RWF and immediately start 24/7 updating MDT.
rapid tide
Well ye okay... I guess.
strong forum
People are greedy, impatient and subjective
analog swift
And they’re supposed to be on a 3 week rotation yeah?
rapid tide
Which you kinda can't know unless you do all dungeons day 1 of new week and add them all 😄
analog swift
So we’ll see them now
strong forum
No one knows entirely
weary thorn
Its not like we just entered the age of entitlement, its been around for a while now. A lot of people don't give a shit about others when they feel something is owed to them
rapid tide
I think the 3 week rotation is mostly just the predominant type.
Will see later if it's also the position of all emissaries.
Or if those get shuffled again, too.
I would not wonder at least.
analog swift
That’s how infested was yeah
strong forum
I'm almost certain we're not gonna see shit from nnogga for 2 weeks
analog swift
And there was clearly a void heavy week a tides heavy week an enchanted heavy week
rapid tide
Oh ye, definitely.
Question is when we get a void heavy week again next
Will the void emissaries also be in the same spots
analog swift
Should be this upcoming week
oblique garnet
^
rapid tide
Yes yes.
analog swift
I think all emissaries will be in the same spot as week 1
rapid tide
I just mean that there can still be 50 void emissaries in a dungeon but just in 40 different spots 😄
analog swift
I didn’t do too many 10a the
rapid tide
Ye, I hope so too.
oblique garnet
i dont hope they are in same spots
analog swift
10s that week cuz the gear was locked
oblique garnet
they were awful spots
rapid tide
But with this season so far I don't expect anything anymore to be convenient 😛
rapid tide
same.
strong forum
1st week was awful placement
exotic spoke
Yeah, I feel this week is still going to be a “new” week because notnmany people did a lot of 10+ because there wasn’t a point
analog swift
Because you literally do everything normal
rapid tide
Enchanted feel worst and tides in heavy caster packs.
analog swift
Yeah
strong forum
Enchanted is easiest, tides can be scary and void is awful imo
fickle urchin
i think tides are clearly worst
rapid tide
I hate Enchanted 😄
analog swift
Although void in front of vokaal was a bitch ok fort
rapid tide
They just stress me out.
oblique garnet
tides was easiest imo
rapid tide
I mean I think we simply don't have a good strategy for Tides I guess.
strong forum
Tides is very easy yes, just burn lo
rapid tide
Ours is mostly me throwing axes at it while rogue missdirect me for initial aggro
oblique garnet
If tides is in a pack with 1 caster burn the caster instead of the tides
oblique garnet
If tides is in pack with 2 or more caster burn tides
analog swift
Spell reflect
rapid tide
We often started to sap tides.
strong forum
Breh just spell reflect, it's still Legion right?
rapid tide
Just sap it, pull pack and tides normally doesn't aggro.
fickle urchin
thing about tides is they have their damn aura while porting out too. If casters werent so nasty, it would be less of an issue.
rapid tide
Then pull tides into an easier non caster pack.
rapid tide
You can stun them Alx.
analog swift
Insta port
rapid tide
Ye.
shut summit
rapid tide
Makes it MUCH easier.
analog swift
Yeah dude
rapid tide
Nah, it's not, just pvp duration on it.
But you gotta stun before she starts casting.
So at like 5-10% health.
analog swift
Yee
rapid tide
Same for enchanted.
If they are in progress of being knocked back, in the air basically
They will despawn immediately, too.
Not that big but can be useful in tight quarters like UR beginning middle pack.
analog swift
Yee
I posted early I think they’re going to try to rotate greivous away from void heavy week
rapid tide
Mhm.
Idk, I didn't feel like that was a bad combination.
With new healing potions etc it's really not that hard to get back to 90%+ if you react quickly.
oblique garnet
It was really bad if you did keys before they nerfed the void emissaries
It was awful
analog swift
Yeah
rapid tide
When they buffed themselves you mean?
oblique garnet
yeah
fickle urchin
void-grievious-bursting 😄
oblique garnet
i did 17 iirc
rapid tide
Uff.
oblique garnet
One of them with disc priest
rapid tide
Condolences 😄
empty inlet
Imagine doing weekly keys on first week
fickle urchin
we did a 12 yesterday, +2
empty inlet
21 was hilarious
rapid tide
tbf up until 2 days ago we only spammed 11-12s for gear.
Started slowly pushing 15/16s now.
oblique garnet
@empty inlet I heard some strats on atal where they ran 2 healers on volkaal xd
empty inlet
Ya it wasnt tyrnical
weary thorn
did a 15 shrine on sunday that was pretty not fun
oblique garnet
it was grievious
empty inlet
We 1 shot cragmaw
empty inlet
Wipe on spore guy for 50 minutes
weary thorn
your group is likely a higher avg ilvl than mine then
empty inlet
LUL
empty inlet
We were under gear doing a 21 on first week
oblique garnet
Well yeah i was 425 on week 1 xd
empty inlet
Brewmaster top m+ tank when 😬
oblique garnet
probably never
rapid tide
BrM is not bad though. Watched Dratnos earlier, they played with their BrM Main I assume?
He was on prot and was complaining how easy prot has it :' )
rapid tide
BrM is nice, I just feel like Prot simply has more.
empty inlet
Brm with 3 rogue can be meta
spice ferry
It just can’t 👏
rapid tide
Also SR still feels like cheating at times.
Doing 1.5m with it on Shrine Lord Whatever is just... :' )
Couldn't you just run 3 Outlaws Prot MW?
That should work decently or?
tbf idk about state of MW atm.
empty inlet
Mw so you can die on galv
empty inlet
Siege is just cancelled with that comp
rapid tide
Ye but Siege.
I mean... :S
I prefer not running that anyways.
😛
But ye, I get it.
idk, atm I felt most happy with RDruids and HPals.
empty inlet
Hpal is going to own
rapid tide
Although we did do some nice keys with MWs pumping 70k on some packs which was nice.
HPal with VoP and Glimmer just looks insane.
dps contribution is just so good from my limited experience.
oblique garnet
hpalas do stupid amount of damage
pastel sage
In my alt M+ team I am playing Vengeance DH and our healer disc.. It's really fun to play but it's only our alt team so highest to play is like +15
rapid tide
I never liked VDH.
empty inlet
DH owns
rapid tide
I probably am just terrible on it
empty inlet
😬
rapid tide
But I feel like I take soooo muuuuch dmg.
rapid tide
What are VDH playing essence wise?
pastel sage
You can play some funny stuff with Vision of Perfection + Gluttony talent for some insane Meta proccs but only in low/medium keys, in higher keys Anima Major + Aegis Minor, some playing VoP Minor or Dynamo Minor for some dungeons
rapid tide
Mhm.
Might gear mine out again. Looking for a 2nd tank atm.
Considered BDK but he's so slow.
pastel sage
Yea
rapid tide
Anima is easy to get at least.
pastel sage
Replaced my BDK with my VDH
Yea that's true
Suppression is also an option for major
rapid tide
BDK is a cool concept to me.
2h tanking, heals a lot, grips...
If it had mobility I would probably play it.
pastel sage
Yea that's true.. But VDH has also insane healing, especially in aoe situations, has grip sigil and a waaaaay more mobility
And warglaives :D
But yea, I love my BDK also, was my main from wotlk to end of legion
rapid tide
Oh ye, definitely. I just as I said remembered it as... "oh demon spikes down, guess I'm dead"
rapid tide
Ye, read over that just looked rather impactless to me.
Ah well, I guess I'll gear him a bit.
See how it goes.
Could be fun for low key guild runs or sth.
brisk ferry
it's almost as defensive as Havoc 
sand egret
it's a lot of little things + scaling helped a bunch
Meta also got enough of a buff where it is a legit CD now, on top of the fact that Revel in Pain is finally getting the respect it deserves and people are utilizing the 200k+ shield on a 1 min cd (that's also attached to a single-target shield wall)
pastel sage
Yea
tough vault
We have a regular group I tank for and the healer is a holy priest. FH 11 was scary. Yesterday I ran WM 11 with a resto druid friend, same dps - and it was so smooth. Pepehands.
sand egret
yeah resto just feels great because if they're playing right the heals are as responsive as you can get
since they're just always rolling
however...a bad resto is terrifying
tough vault
I mean I can deal with grievous once (DI dorf) but after pulls I'd need to wait sooo long for the H priest to top me up I just consumed 50% of the food I had stacked up.
Resto didn't even have to pause 😦
sand egret
ooof
sand egret
^
tough vault
no mage in group, no mage online
oblique garnet
Get mage alt
tough vault
sounds like communism to me
Kappa
nah but h priest is a decent enough healer, it just feelsbadman
sand egret
maybe your healer just isn't dealing with GW correctly
its an affix that you can very quickly make it very hard for yourself if you mismanage it
tough vault
yeah definitely. taught me to save fireblood for that instead of spamming it on CD for dps lol
sand egret
really flexes their ability to triage correctly, for instance
yeah Fireblood is very clutch
esp when you see your healer drowning in multiple 4 stacks and is only able to get you to that 85% point. Clearing your stacks can give a huge moment of reprieve
man i miss being a dorf
tough vault
Still getting used to Prot tanking though (coming from BrM) but it feels sooo much more effective?
Too much shit incoming? Last stand. Need aoe threat/dmg? Avatar.
Panic mode? shield wall.
Punch things for clutch health.
Essences have such nice synergy because I just get to dump rage onto IP and get another Ava/last stand
Feels good.
yknow, opposed to '... smooth out damage.. smooth out.. smoooth.. clear.. repeat - panic? get the hard liquor out'
sand egret
well, there is a very prominent proactive component that is intrinsic to the kit itself. this is in direct contrast to say a BrM which is one of the more reactive tanking styles. Stagger does SO much of the lifting in the kit (granted Block does A LOT in ours) that its hard to distinguish power points in the spec in a moment to moment basis
tough vault
Yeah, but it just feels way more engaging because of it, and I'm finally having fun tanking M+.
Feels like I'm actively contributing rather than being a fleshbag kept alive by managing stagger.
sand egret
having buttons to press for a situation and having a mechanic that rewards a more conscious and active playstyle, not surprisingly, feels good
tough vault
also, plate just looks way better. 😉
sand egret
yeah, he feeling that your constantly dying is not fun to pug with
which is why i ditched my brm this patch entirely
tough vault
yeah, it gives the player more control - but also more responsibility.
sand egret
full-on fur boy myself
tough vault
same can be applied to other games - Overwatch comes to mind... Either play heal-on-a-rope mercy or yknow, badass ana who heals, damages, CCs, debuffs.
mismanage the kit and you're a waste of space
master the kit and carry without people knowing you are
(can't wait for role queue 😛 )
sand egret
and just as in OW, you can also have that mercy who is your actual nightmare
pastel sage
@tough vault Zenyatta main here btw :D
sand egret
as Valk mercy + someone who can shoot = death to all
pastel sage
Zen is Bae.. But also love Lucio, Ana and Moira
sand egret
but yeah, Prot has a lot of proactive components to the kit which make it all satisfying.
pastel sage
Yep
tough vault
I've taken up baptiste recently. He actually gives the same kit-management as Ana, imo.
pastel sage
Baptiste is really nice, yea
tough vault
drop the lamp in just the right spot and you can hear the enemy team go 'well fuck'
pastel sage
But had not the time yet to really learn it
tough vault
I'd recommend you do, 2/2/2 certainly benefits him
pastel sage
I will do, maybe on weekend
tough vault
but like that, skill carries over. If you;ve got zen/ana gamesense you'll probably have no issue with it.
... and to loop it back onto WoW again - it's nice to know other kits and adapt it to your playstyle. 🙃
pastel sage
I am a lil bit hyped on Sigma tho.. Usually I play orisa and hog when we need a tank (damn I need that rolequeue so hard so I always have 2 tanks in my group)
Yea that's true.. Knowledge and game sense are such important skills
In nearly every game
That's one of the reasons I had all classes on max level since tbc
To know their possibilities and kit
tough vault
sigma feels fun. I feel like I'm diamond support, plat tank (only tank I can't really pick up is ball) and sigma feels like a more mobile Orisa, focused on hard countering bunker and spam
tough vault
In wow I only started tanking mid legion, slowly - and only really got into it with 8.2
pastel sage
Nice
tough vault
before that, healer 😂 and dps for a while. but there's just something about tanking mannnn
stiff drum
what are the affixes this week ?
pastel sage
Played warlock from classic to wotlk, since then DK til mid/end of legion
tough vault
@stiff drum
tough vault
sand egret
reset is today, so not sure
pastel sage
Na servers still down?
stiff drum
ye i mean next week, NA already has the new affixes right ?
tough vault
oh fuck it's tuesday for y'all
sand egret
don't think the servers are back up yet
tough vault
what time is the reset even for EU? kinda holding on to an emissary that gives AP, want that sweeet AP requirement reduction.
pastel sage
Tomorrow 9am
undone sun
warm plinth
Doesn't it make no difference when you turn in an AP emissary? 🤔 Artifact Knowledge affects the AP requirement, not AP gains. It should have the exact same result either way yeah?
pastel sage
No
For example: emissary gives 3k
You need 10k today for level up but 7,5k tomorrow
% is same after reset
Numbers are not
warm plinth
Teem/volc/tyr
pastel sage
Oh well
stiff drum
ez
pastel sage
Better then grievous :D
sand egret
freeee weeeeek
honest frigate
440 rezans ez
strong forum
Freeee fucking week holy shit
This is gonna be fun
Can't believe blizz blesses us with 2 amazing tyra weeks in a row
But 2 cancer fort weeks
floral wigeon
does iron fortress stack?
floral wigeon
ty
glacial thorn
Hmm what do you guys think for pushing higher keys. Meticulous scheming or deafening.
Not sure how much Meticulous procs
floral wigeon
nerf runs deafening
honest frigate
meticulous procs fairly often
1 deafening imo then take a meticulous
its great survivability/dps
pastel sage
Nice, push week and probably no internet til Monday...
merry cave
Forgot i was on arms spec got a 445 2h, then open cache on alt and get a 455 barnacle -_-
fervent nexus
i got my vision of perfection essence yesterday for my prot warrior. Avatar all day every day
slate ingot
ive got one unstable flames, should i go overwhelming power or another unstable flames
was thinking power
sand egret
i'd say OP
last mason
Any of you guys like the radiance trink
Does a decent % of my dmg pretty consistently
slate ingot
i got god damn boots two weeks in a row, least these are haste vers, others are crit mastery
fervent cairn
that 10% reduction is better than the 440?
sand egret
take the ilvl
the weapon damage is going to prevail more than 10% damage reduction on a 2 min cooldown (as well as reducing your damage by 10% during it)
fervent cairn
ty
strong forum
@glacial thorn ideal m+ setup is 3x BoM 1x DC 2x MS, so if you have DC already get meticulous
Stacking DC isn't worth it by a long shot. It was semi decent in s2, also nerf only knows dungeons very well, he's by no means an expert on prot warri
rapid jewel
TYRANNICAL TEEMING VOLCANIC BEGUILING, that should be pretty easy this week
glacial thorn
Thanks Nom
exotic spoke
Oh very nice. Looks like it’s push week and time to get rank 4 anima
warm plinth
You're a push week
strong forum
Ye im thinking same
exotic spoke
Yeah pretty much.
As long as rng agrees with us and we don’t get fucked / not see one or more of the dungeons should be able to get the last couple we need for the achievements
strong forum
Kr is gonna be a bitch and a half
rapid jewel
next week is void week right?
rapid jewel
oh, I thaught they would just rotate this a bit
strong forum
Supposedly
exotic spoke
We don’t know until we see the pattern
strong forum
^
rapid jewel
does someone tried to blow up the voids with 5x mechagon active trinket? does it work?
strong forum
We don't have enough references to make up a statistic yet
warm plinth
This week should be void week (on NA), if they're rotating. We just had enchanted, and tides was before that. There's only three kinds of emissary.
rapid jewel
is the damage enough to blow them up pre first cast, not sure how muc HP they have
strong forum
They scale
With key level
They have like 2mil hp on 15 or smth
So, that's a negative
Unless you have a rogue 140k opener
Going full on ham
rapid jewel
ok thx, good to know
exotic spoke
No, humtol, it isn’t enough to kill them outright on high keys.
It’s a significant portion of hp but not enough
warm plinth
✊
rapid jewel
atal had one really shitty void placement in the first week
prisma crane
why do weapons like the Waycrest Manor axe have to exist.... feelsbadman getting that shit over literally any other weapon
brisk ferry
big rip, first 445 azerite piece is Chestguard of the Deep Denizen
warm plinth
tfw when you fly up on a WQ and watch the mob die before you can get in range
Hey at least it's an upgrade either way lol
brisk ferry
oh yeah huge upgrade cause I use 420s
gentle sequoia
Doesn't Waycrest axe sims crazy good for pure ST?
exotic spoke
I mean - it’s still a 440 weapon. Lots of people would love that
warm plinth
Yeah I wouldn't even be stressing. 440 weapon is a 440 weapon
thick slate
@brisk ferry traits seem fine... for fury
weary thorn
~~rf works for prot, silver lining maybe? ~~ rip no rf
naive panther
brisk ferry
yeah @thick slate I had noticed that it is pretty sweet for Fury lol, offspec looking better and better
brisk ferry
there's no doubt their scaling with stats is amazing, they pump now
prisma crane
im so confused but yea showing 500 dps higher than a 440 of other weapon with haste/crit
weary thorn
also you and Late were right, was able to solo m sivara no sweat last night
thanks for the heads up that I didnt need undying gift
exotic spoke
Welcome man. I did it after talking to others here so I just relayed the messages
weary thorn
yea, the extra dps was needed since we are still splitting some HC runs to get people more gear
analog swift
do you just drop stacks during barrage then charge back?
weary thorn
yep
dropped my first behind her starting point, but slightly towards the opposite color so that melee could clear when necessary
every other one I'd either leap/intercept out and then do the opposite to get back in
you just spin her after every barrage so that the colors line up easily for the raid
sick sentinel
colours don't really matter since people should be dodging anyway
exotic spoke
Pretty mich. I scuffed our first kill a bit. Dropped it where I tank.
But solo soaking it mean less repositioning
weary thorn
@sick sentinel true, but I dont mind turning her since that was our first kill. As people get better we may not turn her
easier for me to do that one thing, than expect everyone else to be on the game
exotic spoke
@weary thorn - why not? And yes, while people shouldndodge - we (the tanks) just positioned at either side of her so that it was automatic
weary thorn
super easy when using two tanks to flip her. It did start to get a bit trickier while solo because people were sometimes accidentally dropping pools around her
that I then had to avoid
unborn island
So I did Mechagon for the first time last night, pretty crappy shammy healer
When I was doing the dog boss
I was getting absolutely chunked by the dot
is that normal, or was i being special
I mean, i didn't die, but it was touch and go
warm plinth
I mean, it hits pretty hard on the first hit; he just has to make sure to dispel it fast
Also shaman legit blows in that dungeon on a few of the bosses
exotic spoke
Yeah, dispel fast
unborn island
yeah, he was also a terrible player
warm plinth
There are so many fights that the group is spread out and they can't chain heal
unborn island
wiped us on that boss 4x by standing next to the crates with charge
warm plinth
Yeah that's not good lol
unborn island
I quite like the dungeon though, good bosses
slim cairn
So hard to find groups for hardmode
warm plinth
We did it last night not on hard mode (tbf it was an alt run and was his first time playing resto since Legion) and it was still pretty rough
unborn island
the dodge everything boss is going to be horrible on tyrannical grievous though
warm plinth
The dodge everything boss? HK-8? 😂
warm plinth
Oh, right
Idk if it was a bug or what but the flame jets in the center were moving way faster last night
Mecha had a couple of hyperspeed cutting beams too; it was crazy
exotic spoke
Nah, lastbhoss on tyrannical is going to be a bitch. High magic damage already
warm plinth
Yeah his "auto attack" chunks for like 20% HP at 416ish
slim cairn
Have you met my friend shadow of zul?
warm plinth
Combine that with the cutting beam phases and giga zap and yeah. He's gonna need some retuning lol
weary thorn
Shadow of zul should be the last boss of KR
exotic spoke
Yes, I’m quite familiar with him and mechagon hits harder base line than shadow
oblique garnet
huh?
warm plinth
He's talking about Mechagon's pulse blast or whatever; it hits harder than Zul does on base mythic.
exotic spoke
Talking about mechagon when it gets put into m+
I think a more accurate comparison would be last boss of ML. But I think mechagon still hits harder as a base
warm plinth
Yeah I think so too
unborn island
I think I was able to reflect the pulse blast though, which was nice
maybe I remember incorrectly
exotic spoke
Yes you can
warm plinth
Yeah it's definitely reflectable
sand egret
Thinking about M+ in Mechagon....KU-J0 + Quacking. That timing RNG is going to be a biiiitch haha
brisk ferry
the ducks will get you
sand egret
always do
brisk ferry
I have absolutely no fucking desire to do that place in M+, any idea when that's supposed to be released?
exotic spoke
Kujo with quaking is going to be rough. It’ll be interesting to see how they tune it all
Top4 bosses seem easy for m+
willow scarab
I hope they don't make it into an m+ dungeon because that means we're gonna get base 460 yellow cards from +10s next season
Which means we're cyclotronic blasting all of next tier too
And a farmable source for 475 cards
lavish oracle
Lower Mecha could be fun in M+
Er
the outside
the inside just seems like a hassle
strong forum
inside is easier though
less trash
the hardest part of the entire dungeon is outside trash
annoying trash at that
sand egret
i could see them easily removing the punch cards from the loot pool, nerfing cyclotronic in the next patch (as they did going from Nighthold > ToS for instance), or also introducing more cards to make/craft to expand on the punch card system itself (which is not really that much different than farming for a specific trinket anywho)
last one hopefully opening up more competitive cards in the red slots
sick sentinel
cyclo needs a buff :)
lusty grotto
exotic spoke
Grats man!
sick sentinel
no avoidance
brisk ferry
leech*
lusty grotto
:mad:
exotic spoke
Indestructible*
fervent cairn
sick sentinel
I'm not perpetuating the leech meme anymore
lusty grotto
😡
exotic spoke
Either way - grats man
sick sentinel
Someone say leech
exotic spoke
Indestructible *
sick sentinel
No leech? slithers back into hole
last mason
i find that im struggling to time keys because i never trust pugs to correctly execute double pulls and stuff
so i always end up going too slow
any thoughts on that
sick sentinel
Go fast
exotic spoke
Sonic.jpg - gotta go fast
oblique garnet
just do them anyways
sick sentinel
Most pull execution can be managed by the tank... are you referring to Interrupts and such?
oblique garnet
if they die they die
exotic spoke
Drago meme
sick sentinel
Honestly at the 10-15 level ccs shouldnt be an issue. You have a cone stun, an Interrupt, a fear, and incredible burst dps. That is a lot of add management right there
Above 15 that is a bit of a different story
At that point your best option is to pug until you find good players and cling to them for dear life
If you are alliance like myself I am sorry but you will not find good players
Ecks dee
exotic spoke
eh, you find some 😃
last mason
yea alliance here also
its really a struggle
so many boosted players
idk how you can have 1100 io and do 25k overall in fh
brisk ferry
oh rofl
stark ruin
is it so bad on alliance?
exotic spoke
Cause bad? And I mean - if he did all 10s on time that’s 1k. 11s would be 1.1k so yeah - not much
small temple
what are the new affix us ppl ?
sick sentinel
Depending on what type of hunter and their build they also may be less inclined to aoe, which cripples overall damage.
brisk ferry
tyrr teeming volcanic
small temple
dam so ez week
stark ruin
that's nice
sick sentinel
push week
brisk ferry
yup
exotic spoke
High keys aren’t bad. Because people know what they are doing as normal.
Did a 11 with a friend to help - and the group was terrible. Healer didn’t know that he should drink as soon as he gets out of combat, no interrupts, target priority was bad, positioning, etc
sick sentinel
Like I said above a 15 I generally expect people to know what they are doing
stark ruin
Frankly, that sounds like 60-70% of the random +10 groups on horde too
sick sentinel
10-15 you can duct tape a group together and go nuts
Might be rough at times but it can work
inland mesa
do people open their weekly chest in arms or prot after they have a shield? Thinking you leave it prot until you have a 1 hander too
stark ruin
btw, I recall seeing the question but don't remember the answers: is inkpod good for us?
rapid jewel
mechagon, inkpood and coral are all good dmg options for us
sick sentinel
But unless you are very confident, try to target trinkets that provide both offensive and defensive value
Like nims rezans
Just get 445 with socket ez
inland mesa
I got a 430 weapon in my quest to get a rezan's, granted I think at my gear level I'd rather a butcher block atm
exotic spoke
I mean - don’t you have something higher Ilvl?
lusty grotto
unless you got a 1 hander and shield from mythic raids
rapid jewel
coral has some defense to it too, it gives you parry on demand. Its not a smooth dmg reduction, but over 20 sec its an noticable damage reduction. radiance add phase is a good example
lusty grotto
theres no reason why you shouldn't open your chest as prot
inland mesa
I rolled radiance shield first week, but 1hander is still 430
lusty grotto
mythic radiance?
inland mesa
ye
sick sentinel
Jelly
lusty grotto
well just for the 1 hander alone
inland mesa
had to upgrade a 445 crit haste cloak to a 450 crit mastery one 😦
exotic spoke
440 weapon 430 socketed indestructible shields. We going for trinkets
rapid jewel
yeah got radiance myth shield too in the second week, still hoping for a warforge roll, shield iLvl > all
inland mesa
ya, I keep rolling radiance for now until we get to what is it gorgonzola for the other?
rapid jewel
yeah gorgonzola is a bit better stat wise
prisma crane
cyclotronic, does it crit?
stark ruin
yes it does
rapid jewel
yes
stark ruin
big time
exotic spoke
Just know you can’t block while using it
rapid jewel
try to put forge a high iLvl yellow card to boost the damage from it
prisma crane
pft my shield is for slamming, not blocking
exotic spoke
Lol
prisma crane
😎
inland mesa
my monk got a 440 crit haste card last night, I cried
inland mesa
so would I on the warrior to make cyclo blast
but my monk is my casual just there in case alt at 422
exotic spoke
I mean, I do at times yes
inland mesa
somehow....I was able to trade it to our holy paladin lol
monk doesn't even have the trinket
sick sentinel
yellows
prisma crane
even greens
brisk ferry
green you say
prisma crane
yea, mine had crit and swim speed on it
inland mesa
bis behemoth goooo
brisk ferry
what now
sick sentinel
hey guys, so I have a 435 rezan, 430 phial of arcane tempest, 415 shockbiters fang with socket, 410 galvanic turbo-charger. raidbots says phial is better for hectic add cleave. what would you guys use for myth+ and raids?
inland mesa
wait...can you put green in the blue socket to make the ilvl and scaling on cyclo go up?
brisk ferry
wtf is green?!?
prisma crane
lmfao
brisk ferry
I thought he was trolling
prisma crane
i was
inland mesa
but I want my blue card to matter damn it D:
inland mesa
I thought blue didn't matter and was always 404
prisma crane
i have 415
inland mesa
o.O did it screw with scale?
435 Rezan is a given, does phial have str? If so probably best bet
sick sentinel
yes it does
inland mesa
people have claimed that trinket is a trap and sims well as you have to really game it, so might be easier to just get something else good like a butcher block
as I say that and I've run too many waycrests without one 😢
inland mesa
you cheated
lusty grotto
😄
exotic spoke
#humblebrag
inland mesa
I dunno if I'd use the rezan's honestly, I like inkpod a lot
inland mesa
did something like 4.2 mil on the last dungeon I ran
lusty grotto
i would swap something up for sure
sick sentinel
damn, got 440 block on my pally but I hate that class
inland mesa
I feel like radiance trinket vacuum sims well and in practice isn't sexy
brisk ferry
I love how the dyno eye is just looking at all of us like "You like that huh"
inland mesa
but I don't have one to test
hmmm do I run 430 edict or 415 anchor in keys until I get something better
sharp abyss
I'm curious would it be worth a try to use vision as major and anima as minor just asking because I'm dipping my feet back into prot warrior after awhile
inland mesa
for what content
sharp abyss
I plan on doing M+ and maybe raid tnaking for my guild
inland mesa
M+ people seem to be liking VoP major, lucid minor, I run worldvein minor atm
raid depends on parse or not as to what you run
oblique garnet
run anchor
inland mesa
that's what I was thinking for silly passive damage stuff with anchor inkpod
sick sentinel
how can peopel already have VoP rank 3
sharp abyss
Alright thanks
supple path
You get 2x of the mats for doing hardmode I believe
warm plinth
They can’t can they? Not til next week?
exotic spoke
They did hardmode last week and already did hardmode this week (when it just reset a little bit ago)
warm plinth
Oh yeah I guess so
exotic spoke
I’m getting rank 3 tomorrow
earnest sand
Oooh you get double mats for hardmode? We woulda done hardmode if I'd known that...
lusty grotto
yes
exotic spoke
No way of getting it until today
sick sentinel
hm
warm plinth
Yeah it was impossible til today
inland mesa
I have to rush home and do it before raid
lusty grotto
you can today in NA
exotic spoke
#JustNAThinga
warm plinth
Well, we can't get WF; at least let us have VoP a day ahead of everyone else 😂
inland mesa
heroic wf is out today too
sick sentinel
is null barrier doing damage?
oblique garnet
at rank 3 yes
warm plinth
R3 minor does
lusty grotto
at r3 yes
sick sentinel
thats a lot right
oblique garnet
yes
sick sentinel
2-2,5k
oblique garnet
in ashvane for example it does alot
sick sentinel
fk, need exalted for that right
warm plinth
Yes
sick sentinel
are there any other essences where rank matters a lot?
warm plinth
Well, idk about a lot. But all of them get better as you rank up.
sharp abyss
I was curious on someone else's opinion too I run a 415 bloodthirsty urchin then a 425 lingering sporepod but idk what to use bc I have a 410 vial and a 425 Gore crusted Butcher's block with a empty socket
warm plinth
You should be using gore+urchin. Sporepods is garbage
sharp abyss
What would I socket tio with then
warm plinth
Yeah, if you don't have the 120/80 str gems yet, do one of those
sharp abyss
So thicc strength gem then
warm plinth
But otherwise haste
sand egret
yeah, go for one of those thicc bois
sharp abyss
Lol
inland mesa
I was a sad boy and when I got busy stopped grinding mech 😦 so now I'm debating vop or world vein minor for tonight
sand egret
i was actually shocked at how cheap they were
warm plinth
Remember that first belt you got from Hellfire with like 3 sockets bois
Those were the days
sand egret
oh...sockets.
inland mesa
wouldn't 50 haste be > 80 str?
warm plinth
Nope.
lusty grotto
no
warm plinth
We didn't use str before only because they gave the same amount of stat as the secondary gems. But they buffed the old gem and then introduced the new one.
inland mesa
did something change, I swear last tier it wasn't used as it was 2 to 1 and better for stat than str
lusty grotto
yes
inland mesa
hmmm, k, I have the 120 in, but hadn't done the 80
lusty grotto
kraken's was 40 STR only in s2
so it wasn't recommended
it was bumped to 80 STR around s3
inland mesa
is it still 2 to 1, or 1 to 1
lusty grotto
so using both kraken's and leviathan's is recommended
warm plinth
Idk what you mean by that
lusty grotto
yeah me neither
inland mesa
secondary stat valued as 2x str
lusty grotto
wdym
warm plinth
Secondaries were never valued 2x str 🤔
inland mesa
so like 40 haste ~= 20 str
inland mesa
yeah otherway around, been a long week
exotic spoke
@lusty grotto did nimchy get any thing?
weary thorn
yea looks like he got a 445 sock rezan
sand egret
your war is ally right?
inland mesa
😭
I forgot to use map mission last week so rip that sweet 310 transmog that sells for 800g
warm plinth
Yeah Blade
I did my equipment emissary today hoping for a shield. Got a 430 crit/haste belt which I was actually pretty pleased with; I was using a 400 mastery/haste one before.
sand egret
niice
last mason
any tips for dealing with rezan bleed
sand egret
once I get pathfinder i'm planning on goin to my hunter to gear him. no way i'm doing naz/mechagon on him normally
last mason
i feel like i cant get it to not truck
warm plinth
Yeah I didn't bother with alts until I had flying. Too much to deal with AND have to run around on the ground.
inland mesa
everytime I think about regrinding mecha and essences and nazjatar on an alt I log off
sand egret
yeah i plan to just zip through WQs on him as i suffer through dps queue limbo
which will most likely cause me to get fed up and go back to my bear
inland mesa
essences should be account wide imo, would make them attractive
warm plinth
Maybe we can do some shit if you're on when I am
sand egret
yeah my plan is to mooch off of ally I know 😃
inland mesa
going to need to make an ally for the bee mount, I see what they did there
warm plinth
Still need to do Mecha on him too
sand egret
yeah...that was honestly what pushed this decision to a close
warm plinth
But last boss scares me
warm plinth
Yeah, 2nd phase isn't bad
warm plinth
Yeah
sand egret
i imagine it's gotta be pretty straight forward
warm plinth
I can't wait for bee mount though 😍
sand egret
yeah imma get me that bee booty
inland mesa
if alliance does kua'fon can they ride it on that side, so if I do bee mount it should work the same?
sand egret
is that first part a question?
warm plinth
They can ride kua'fon, so people are hypothesizing that it'll work the same
hard sigil
guys isnt it more worth to grab 3 430 rnd azerit than 1 445?
warm plinth
Depends on if you raid or not imo
supple path
It is in terms of "being powerful this week" but you'll eventually want to replace those 430s with 445s
So in terms of "being powerful in a month" it's worse
warm plinth
If you do heroic, it's better to do the 445s. I don't raid so I went straight for 430s
Not saying it's better. But I felt better making that choice than waiting for the 445
sand egret
yeah, i'd say the answer is dependent on your access to the Heroic Raid
hard sigil
my raid just startet hc we are at 3 bosses
sand egret
if you're reasonably likely to get pieces from there, then I'd say it'd be better to hedge your RNG bets and wait for the 445. Personally, I don't raid. So for me the immediate power gain to be able to be that much more effective in 10+ keys is worth it now than to have held out for a single token.
warm plinth
Yeah that's how I felt about it too
supple path
It's basically just a trade-off of being more powerful for ~4 weeks vs having 3 (random) 445s 2 weeks earlier
sand egret
I also won't re-roll my 430s, as I'm doing it just for the ilvl increase and less for the traits.
winged hare
Hey guys, does nerf to Vision of Perfection make it worse than any other essence? I mean, do we still pick it for Major?
inland mesa
nerf?
sand egret
elaborate on "nerf"
winged hare
I mean that proc nerf, dunno when it happened 😛
warm plinth
Proc nerf? I thought the only "nerf" we've gotten is actually a bug fix, when they fixed the doubled CDR
supple path
man the 8 second downtime between avatar uses was a sweet week
exotic spoke
What proc nerf?
strong forum
hes talkin bout the minor nerf
mighty gulch
Impassive visage or intimidating presence for m+
mighty gulch
so intimidating presence isn't better for m+?
brisk ferry
no
brisk ferry
like a third OP trait versus first Lifespeed?
brisk ferry
can't open bloodmallet atm, how well does OP stack?
mighty gulch
it only gets better with extra applications
sick sentinel
OP is good
brisk ferry
than I would proabbly take a third OP
mighty gulch
kk
sick sentinel
I always take OP when I can
mighty gulch
even over lifespeed?
mighty gulch
i got a 440 rezans with a socket today
much happy
So do we still stack haste, or do we stack mastery now?
sick sentinel
no reason to stack mastery
sick sentinel
weird
when it comes to gear you don't have much of a choice
because ilvl
but nobody in the right mind would ever gem or enchant mastery
exotic spoke
Its probably because they are just using the highest Ilvl gear they have
inland mesa
I made 9 pants until I got haste mastery so I just kept it
not a single one with haste before that
sick sentinel
yeap, makes sense
vestal edge
weekly chest ftw hehe
ionic fern
Gz
sand egret
yo, that tmog shield is dope "Steelforged Shield" is what it is?
vestal edge
no its artifact shield
sand egret
farts, thought so
literally all the good shield models on that shit. really shoulda went more ham back then...
vestal edge
i mean u can stlll get it tho lol
sand egret
yeah, i've got a few of the appearances, so at least it's not unobtainable
that's good to know
sick sentinel
Imagine not getting pants from your weekly cache
vestal edge
yeah that blue appearance is from timing a 15 so still kind of hard
so until i hit 65 should i use str crystals or lucid for my minor i have r3 in both
broken ledge
is anyone using ashvanes razor coral for prot dps? it sims a decent amount higher than my other trinkets but im not sure it stacks high enough. wondering if i let it stack and pop it every time i use avatar if that would be viable to is it just not a viable trinket for prot?
solar delta
Winds of war / blood siphon / or elemental whirl for row 2?
stable viper
I been trying out the mastery stack build and it working out pretty well for me.
tepid lotus
ye
sick sentinel
if you are dropping ilvls no
tepid lotus
^
woven pagoda
Hey, i'm starting to play war prot and i did some mm+, just rode the guide and it say for Victory rush : "In dungeons, in particular, make sure you are maximizing usage of Victory Rush Icon Victory Rush."
but in mm+ it doesn't work right ?
tepid lotus
ye dont really understand what youre asking
tepid lotus
you gotta be the person to kill the target to get the vrush proc ye
woven pagoda
ok that's why i couldn't use it
sharp night
it's written in the tooltip
mint imp
@sick sentinel no ilvl loose, only 54 haste + 50haste gem
tepid lotus
is Vision of Protection still the Bis azerite trait for m+ ?
woven pagoda
it say only usable after killing an ennemy that give exp / honor
not to get the killing blow
sick sentinel
@mint imp I don't really know the ppm on it or anything so I can't really tell you
woven pagoda
but thanks for answering 😃
sick sentinel
try running a dungeon and tell me how much HPS it was
@woven pagoda after ** YOU ** kill
key word
sharp night
ya
and enemy that gives xp/honor just means a not-grey mob so anything within 10 lvls
other classes with "on-kill" abilities that are more flexible have it worded differently, like "if an enemy dies with your debuff on it"
vestal edge
so until i hit 65 should i use str crystals or lucid for my minor i have r3 in both
solar delta
crystals?
toxic whale
worldvein?
vestal edge
yes
solar delta
I think lucid as it will give you more uptime in avatar?
analog swift
World vein is dog shit
toxic whale
Vision Major, Lucid (=more rage, plus vert), Worldvein (raid) ?
analog swift
Even in raid the uptime is nowhere close to what blood mallet shows
south yarrow
Heavily depends on boss. It has decent uptime on Orgozoa for example
Still r3 null barrier BiS
vestal edge
well i thought worldvein was good when alot of people in raid had it active
trim bay
VOP seems to be the best all rounder. I'm not at my computer atm but how does lucid give more uptime on avatar if VOP reduces it's cool down and randomly procs it. Wordvein is a good minor. When you have unlocked both minor spots. Wouldn't use it as a major
analog swift
@south yarrow if you have logs to show some massive uptime i'd love to see it
west kayak
I looked at one of my logs and for the encounters it was over 90% uptime.
95.29% to be exact. 😃
south yarrow
p1 on Orgozoa
It still loses stacks sometimes, but it's much better than on bosses like Radiance and Ashvane
south yarrow
Is there even a boss on mythic that doesn't reliably proc null barrier on CD?
oblique garnet
I thought you were talking about worldvein
south yarrow
I was, but in comparison to null barrier
south yarrow
Yeah sure, but also 100% on every other boss
oblique garnet
not necessarily
south yarrow
Which one would you not run it on?
oblique garnet
First boss and then basically anything after ashvane
south yarrow
Why not on first boss?
oblique garnet
you get more damage out of other options
south yarrow
Like what?
exotic spoke
CoF
exotic spoke
Meh, probably visions, but I’d have to sim.
south yarrow
Null barrier 2k dps on Sivara
DTPS from frost mark alone was 17k
easily enough to proc it on CD
exotic spoke
Grats? I’d have to sim and I’m at work so I can’t
As for damage, that sounds like a healer problem lol
south yarrow
What