are people using Crucible of Flame as their major instead of perfection?
#protection
obtuse venture
ionic fern
For st dps purposes yes.
lucid vale
if bloodmallet is not lying its nr 1 st no?
ionic fern
Yes it is.
sick sentinel
precast cyclotronic and make your cotank hold boss first
stark ruin
I'm nowhere near the big boys and girls, but it was almost 17% of my damage on h ashvane yesterday
sick sentinel
or let someone get melee'd once ur probably fine
lucid vale
i struggle to use cof on cd even with a weakura
stark ruin
if you have rank3, it's a bit more forgiving
outer radish
I feel so stupid for never playing prot warrior. I am having a freaking blast leveling one
outer radish
The animations ands abilities just feel so brutal
stark ruin
yes, the animations feel very dynamic and full of power
strong forum
It's very well designed, even if the numbers weren't what they are it's a well designed spec
sullen drift
for haste trinket shall i equip rezan's eye or the pocket sized device?
rezans 425 i lvl and device 410
brisk ferry
Rezan's
sullen drift
thats what i thought too
stark ruin
And Rezan's have strength on it as well
lusty grotto
yup yup
golden violet
Is the dodge red card worth putting on?
lusty grotto
its ok defensively
brisk ferry
I was so excited to mess with the blue card taht prevents falling to your death, except you have to trigger it lol
lusty grotto
but i wouldn't use it over the haste one
stark ruin
but getting even a 425 pocked sized takes 2 very good titanforges
crimson furnace
i have the setup at 415, haste red, haste and versa yellow
stark ruin
I'd love to have 2 of them
crimson furnace
but it feels MEH atm
golden violet
XD
crimson furnace
feelcraft :)))
brisk ferry
does punchcard and rezan have same ppm?
strong forum
I think punch card has higher ppm actually
But I wish they nerfed cyclo blast, its too good to pass up
Like it's so much dmg
strong forum
Shit crits for 63k
lusty grotto
yeah
strong forum
It's amazing
lusty grotto
its pretty fucking good
strong forum
Especially at 428 ilvl
lusty grotto
used it yesterday on our hardmode mecha
1 shotted flying saucer labyrinth dude and only had to do 3 codes for king
xD
also @modern brook got the mount
unborn island
how do i actually increase the ilvl on my card? do I just do loads of Mechagon?
lusty grotto
pretty much
stark ruin
so get an insane titanforge on the yellow one
lusty grotto
you can get a skillforge on the haste one since its from the gardener boss
stark ruin
and voila dps
lusty grotto
cyclotronic is also increased via versa
so yeah
you can also kill mechagon rares
they sometimes drop them so you can hope for some forges there
lusty grotto
yeah that's not the only one
wowhead loot drops are kinda wrong
drill rares also drop them
so does the rusty prince
and just about any other rare heh
pastel sage
Is vision of Perfection rank 1 already better for M+ then Anima of Life and Death or shall I wait for rank 2?
lusty grotto
i got a 330 430 haste/crit one and haven't removed it, pretty sure i got it from others
brisk ferry
you mean 430?
lusty grotto
nice
lusty grotto
yeah i dont like it
but i'd take a 440 vial right now for sure
sim it @pastel sage, do patchwork with 10 bosses
brisk ferry
if I can get 440+ cutting block I'll swap it
lusty grotto
i got a 445 block 😃
brisk ferry
dang nice
lusty grotto
the first week of ilvl bump
brisk ferry
I've gotten very lucky for someone who's primarily casual for M+
440 shield first week, and full 430+ now except azerite
lusty grotto
im kinda hoping for an anchor replacement
looking at inkpods maybe or radiance trinket
brisk ferry
oh yeh the new raid trinkets are simming very high, wish I had time to raid
lusty grotto
yup
i just pug it
kinda rough getting past ashvane if you're not doing on tuesdays though
oblique garnet
FeelsNaMan
lusty grotto
every single pug late in the week does not have the dps and RLs just keep inviting people as if they didn't inflate boss hp
strong forum
Wait people can fail at tank buster?
lusty grotto
and every single time i go "hey maybe you should stick to 2/3/13" they ignore me lmao ;p
strong forum
We 4 manned it last week cuz we had a dps DC
lusty grotto
who
lusty grotto
Default
For dps
For defense both are good, but Vop might be slightly ahead
Since avatar uptime will go up and consequently BoM
pastel sage
Oh okay, so even with the only 25% duration of rank 1?
lusty grotto
yes
pastel sage
Ty!
lucid vale
i dont see any ranking of the pocket device punchcard thing on bloodmallet does that mean its of the charts bad? Icy veins suggests it with the overclock punch card and wowhead mentions the cyclotronic blast
distant crystal
the fact that you have to choose prot loot spec for shield or dps loot spec for trinket on radiance
feels bad
exotic spoke
Stop shaming for my region
sick sentinel
phial is bad
distant crystal
and how
sick sentinel
it sims good one 1 target
it's good if you ramp it on 1 target and then go to AoE
but in practicality it's not that good
distant crystal
i've been using it in keys on my rogue and it's been a pretty decent showing
it's sorta naturally ends up ramping on single at the end of one pull and into the next fairly often
sand egret
Speaking of punch cards, still stuck with my stat reorganizer thingy and oh man I just swapped in a Crit/Mast card....not gonna lie i'm having so much fun with it
sand egret
yeah it's an absurd swing for sure
brisk ferry
I have Haste Crit and wanna try it lol
sand egret
it's weird, so it does, but there's also like other things that factor in
for instance ITF will still be there
brisk ferry
okk
sand egret
not saying it's legit "good" but it's definitely fun
brisk ferry
unless I get something like a 450 yellow card I wont be using it anyways
sand egret
that shit pops when I got procs up and I have like 70% crit haha
brisk ferry
that's hilarious
sand egret
yeah at some point it's just hilarious, esp during Lust since that's a flat % and doesn't get converted
lusty grotto
that's gonna be a no for me dawg
sand egret
tis quite fun
lusty grotto
i guess i could try it
so it would be 60 haste 40 crit?
if i have a haste/crit card?
sand egret
yep
lusty grotto
hmm
sand egret
it dynamically updates
lusty grotto
well i have the stat thing card in my bags
sand egret
at like every .5 seconds or something
strong forum
Isn't radiance trinket amazing on aoe
lusty grotto
i thought it was too nome
exotic spoke
Mmhmmm But uh, do you still get negative mastery if it procs while BoM is active after BoM drops off
Oh, ok that’s good then
lusty grotto
yeah
sand egret
i've never seen any of my shit go negative
lusty grotto
ive been coining for it
sand egret
fwiw Riki
strong forum
Tried to get it on hc, wound up getting the 440 Hammer
strong forum
Gonna have to keep clearing hc until I get my padding trinkets...
lusty grotto
ya same
strong forum
Cuz they're actually good this time around
strong forum
Ye
lusty grotto
cant wait to pug mythic
strong forum
We lost an entire day of progress on that because of a new healer, that we later on kicked instantly
He was the sole reason why we wiped on the boss
lusty grotto
y i k e s
strong forum
He got hit by barrage summed up over 50 times in 1 night
strong forum
Cuz hes beyond retarded
He bubbled, then proceeded to run through melee
Cuz he didn't pay attention
red wedge
Has anything really changed with warrior since Palace got released? I had to quit due to work stuff a few weeks before everything got released. Might be able to come back soon.
strong forum
And proc like 15 debuffs
lusty grotto
not much racial not much
sand egret
as in, definitely "new"
lusty grotto
just UF getting nerfed but we're still good
sand egret
but mechanically not much
red wedge
Is it still those two main essence from before? The avatar one and whatever else?
Mainly for M+
lusty grotto
oh you said since EP released
sand egret
oh then naw
red wedge
But had to quit like a week after.
sand egret
same shit
red wedge
ok cool
lusty grotto
yeah not a lot has changed
sand egret
Method got WF, some drama over Azerite tokens for clothies/leather wearers
not too much
red wedge
lol The usual. :P
strong forum
And got to keep the azerite he bought
distant crystal
wut
lusty grotto
what the shit man
red wedge
lol
distant crystal
they let him keep it??
strong forum
Yup
oblique garnet
some people got refunded way more than they would
iirc i remember seeing a screenshot where instead of refunding 47.5k he got refunded 475k
strong forum
He refunded like 3 heroic pieces, and 1 mythic piece
oblique garnet
gm added extra 0 at the end
distant crystal
i mean there was 1 shoulder in the game with the good spriest traits
lusty grotto
ok guys get your pitchforks here -----E
sand egret
yet leather wearers get shit
distant crystal
and it was bugged unobtainable
strong forum
Exactly
distant crystal
what leather piece?
strong forum
The only piece of shoulders that's usable for spriest
distant crystal
that's the cloth piece
strong forum
So you can just straight up say yo that's a scam, I rolled for that specifically, gib back.
And they doe
sand egret
noo that's the leather
distant crystal
oh nvm
sand egret
the cloth is something different
strong forum
I want that for plate too
empty inlet
some one on na got back 375000 residuum
sand egret
but yeah, that piece is the tits for Guardian
empty inlet
gm put extra 0
strong forum
Gib back my 40k
empty inlet
😃
distant crystal
my priest was too residuum-poor to roll my 445 shoulders
until after i found out about the bug
😄
sand egret
so i'm kinda miffed since I did specifically roll for those shoulders at some point
strong forum
I only rolled 430s for that reason Nim
distant crystal
open a ticket
strong forum
So I can get decent ones
distant crystal
get yer refund
strong forum
Only works for priest, 100%
sand egret
thinking about it, but apparently its' just Spriets getting refunds
distant crystal
i rolled 430s on warrior and everything was good for either prot or fury
spice ferry
Wtf?
distant crystal
so i just mixed n matched
spice ferry
Why priests lol
sand egret
because "it's thier BIS"
strong forum
Cuz they had their bis
sand egret
that's the whole drama
strong forum
Bugged
distant crystal
because there's only one piece in the game with chorus/spiteful
strong forum
The only piece that's usable from vendor
distant crystal
and it was bugged unobtainable
lusty grotto
^
spice ferry
LOL
distant crystal
it had garbage traits for mage, i think for locks too
distant crystal
so for mages it was actually a perk because you had a slightly better chance at getting good shoulders
with the bug
@sand egret ticket it
that's how you get the refund
sand egret
i'm aware
the whole point is that leather people who do ticket it are being denied
as they are not spriests
distant crystal
some of the priest ticketing it are getting denied too
sand egret
that is the whole drama
distant crystal
are you sure it's all the bears?
seems to be a crapshoot on whether you get a sympathetic gm
sand egret
yeah there was a whole snaffo with CS responses being like "only cuz its BIS for priests" yet there's the guardian case
lusty grotto
that's fucked up
distant crystal
but are there other shoulders with those traits
sand egret
not that combo
distant crystal
i mean just the 2 majors
exotic spoke
Yeah. The spriest I run with opted not to try for the bis pair. He got the second best set so there’s a lot worse
But those two majors are apparently really amazing
sand egret
it just seems like a silly distinction they made on the issue, esp when they decide to play into the user-created notion of "BiS"
when there are other "cases" to be made using that notion, aka bears
distant crystal
i can sorta see how they wouldn't want to just make it a free-for-all
every cloth/leather wearer gets free rerolls
sand egret
yeah i get that
exotic spoke
I don’t know what he got. But it was good enough that he didn’t want to risk getting shit
sand egret
but i can't see how this played out to be any "better"
exotic spoke
If that happened with plate chests I would instantly put a ticket in lol
sand egret
yeah i should just shut up and put in a ticket and see where that gets me haha
distant crystal
probably helps that there was an spriest on the world first stream making a stink about it
and no bear in the same spot
sand egret
granted I AM rolling on shoulders on Tues so /shrug
yeahhh that's what I think is the big thing
distant crystal
would really like to see the spaghetti code that resulted in that bug
sand egret
definitely stinks of a knee-jerk PR reaction
eh, probably just wasn't in the array tbh
and it wasn't vetted
sand egret
in the token's array
dusk locust
development in wow is probably such a nightmare. i can only imagine the code on a 15 year old project
it's a miracle they can do what they do lol
lusty grotto
that's an understatement
sand egret
^
sand egret
yeah, for all the meme's I don't envy having to work on that engine.
dusk locust
the developer in me tends to cut them some slack heh
lusty grotto
we're not blaming them for the bug
sand egret
proprietary engines can get.....woof
lusty grotto
but they handled it incorrectly
exotic spoke
Honestly it seems like a really easy mistake to make
They have a manual list of all AZerite pieces that can be purchased and didn’t add it to the list. Not really spaghetti code
sand egret
yeah it's the handling that i'm just annoyed with, mostly because me case in particular is the one getting the shaft in this instance
lusty grotto
its never that simple riki
dusk locust
got'em
lusty grotto
wat
distant crystal
weirdly it doesn't show the "discords in common" thing when i mouseover
thought i found another kauda in the wild
lusty grotto
mmmhmm
exotic spoke
I do programming too Nim. It can be that simple. It doesn’t have to be, but it could be
dusk locust
with the same avatar 😛
lusty grotto
sounds to me like ninja log
sand egret
my guess is that they never went in and did verifications for that token for that class/armor type spread
since RNG verifcations are....ass
exotic spoke
Yup
lusty grotto
this is why 👏 retro testing 👏 is 👏 important 👏 so 👏 are 👏 unit 👏 and 👏 integration 👏 testing
sand egret
except in this case you need to do the user-side verification in a live build
lusty grotto
on a friday
sand egret
which is where my guess is where he failure arose
sand egret
i bet this passed those, since that is the type of testing they rely on over there
distant crystal
i was speaking as a hypotheticacl 8.2 dev months ago
lusty grotto
how can you do user-side UAT-style testing for a randomized item?
sand egret
a lot of clicking, unfortunately
lusty grotto
yeah idk
exotic spoke
Auto clicker that shit
distant crystal
somebody probably has a ticket to build-in a verification for that on the next round
hopefully
lusty grotto
was it dropping before the patch though
distant crystal
yes
lusty grotto
as in, was it being created
sand egret
yeah
lusty grotto
hmmm
exotic spoke
Oh, I thought it was a new item that they added
lusty grotto
that sounds to me like someone fucked up
distant crystal
nah it's the king's rest cloth azerite shoulders
distant crystal
they haven't added anything new yet
sand egret
actually, I don't think the token ever worked
lusty grotto
yeah but i asked because if it was never dropping...
distant crystal
but mechagon azerite next patch hopefully
lusty grotto
that's another issue
exotic spoke
Please have a Plate Chest problem so I can reroll mine
sand egret
noo
distant crystal
i'm p sure i had it on my mage
lusty grotto
same riki
sand egret
people had it because they bought it full price
which you could do
OR you got it out of M0
that's how they tracked the bug in the first place, looking at logs and not seeing a single person with X ilvl of it
the ones they did see, where = to max ilvl purchases OR from m0 ilvl
(which, mind you is some EXCELLENT sleuthing, I must say. A+ QA work 😄 )
distant crystal
the priest discord peeps had lots of examples of people who had gotten it from random in prior seasons
exotic spoke
Honestly, I’d be more worried if somehow it dropped off the table
exotic spoke
Rather than never being on the table
lusty grotto
yeah riki thats why i asked
sand egret
"When looking there, you can filter rankings of players using specific gear pieces. However, there are no Mythic logs using the Azerite piece, which is highly unlikely, as most Shadow Priests looking to spend their Titan Residuum gambling would go for that slot. Besides that. Heroic logs only show two parses using the 420 version, which was able to be acquired directly last season by saving enough Titan Residuum, and a Normal log using an ilvl 400 version, which can be obtained from Mythic 0 Kings' Rest as its base item level has been increased to 400."
exotic spoke
Great minds think alike Nim
lusty grotto
because if it somehow dropped from the table, that means someone fucked up
if it wasn't being generated from the start though...
someone did fuck up, but it was since 8.1
sand egret
I mean, fuck it. I got the pitchforks, who's got the torches
distant crystal
i'm like 99% sure i got them from a random on my mage last season and promptly scrapped them
sand egret
let's rage baby 🔥
lusty grotto
--------E get yer pitchforks right here
distant crystal
if my restoration wasn't on cd i'd dig through
native mantle
guys, i need some help i did KR 11 last night and i kept dying to the berserkers from the debuff (i tried dodging the jump thing on the gronud)
i'm struggling a bit to improve atm, I was checking my overall uptime on shield block for the entire dungeon and it was like 50% - I don't know if that's okay or very bad? I'm sure I messed up my LS usage because it was mostly used as an "OH SHIT" button rather than a rotational cd. my IP was like 40%ish uptime
my question is, on a first glance, what might your suggestions be?
sand egret
bait the bleed onto sucker dps like a true tank
distant crystal
^
sand egret
the jump isn't hte prob
sand egret
they do the bleed after the jump on the nearest target
so pets/random melee work
so you don't stack it up high
red wedge
I always had a hunter in my group, so his pets would soak those bleeds.
native mantle
its fine to bait to dps?
lusty grotto
use a pet class
red wedge
I used to bait shit onto my dps all the time.
native mantle
jesus
sand egret
it's a group dungeon
lusty grotto
run away when he jumps
sand egret
why the fuck shouldn't they help out with mechanics
native mantle
i've no idea i've always played dps
decided to get int otanking to ease my m+ life
i should be decently geared at least
i have a 425 shield
lusty grotto
tanking m+ isn't easier than dpsing
red wedge
DPS have defensives for a reason ;p
distant crystal
well, it'll ease getting into groups i guess
native mantle
its easier to get a group
sand egret
that bleed trucks and is meant to truck tanks
lusty grotto
you can tank 1x bleed
native mantle
I die to 3*
sand egret
yeah take one and bait the other
lusty grotto
3x bleeds is RIP YOU
native mantle
man this makes shit so much easier
exotic spoke
3 is dwarf or die pretty much
sand egret
EYYYYYY
native mantle
cuz i was sure i was using everything and doing as much as possible
lusty grotto
they jump -> run away
exotic spoke
Especially at high keys
native mantle
kept my shield up and shit
red wedge
Block doesnt work for bleeds
lusty grotto
its a bleed, your shield does nothing
sand egret
at a certain point it's out of your hands
native mantle
fun times
exotic spoke
Bleeds say fuck your physical mitigation
sand egret
bleeds are meant to fuck tanks
red wedge
You only got Wall, and IP for that. And IP is barely a tick
lusty grotto
you can also parry it
native mantle
dont assume spell reflect helps?
lusty grotto
no
sand egret
nope
exotic spoke
Non magic damage
native mantle
whats bleed damage?
lusty grotto
that's it
red wedge
Bleed is physical.
native mantle
aha
distant crystal
but unreduced by armor
native mantle
oh god
exotic spoke
Bleed is physical damage not effected by armor or block
red wedge
Yea.
distant crystal
protwarr kryptonite
sand egret
yea.
native mantle
my god
sand egret
tbh it's all tank kryptonite to some degree
exotic spoke
Yeah, dwarf, pray, externals, shield walls, all have various amounts of success
lusty grotto
^
native mantle
now i know the problem
lusty grotto
its krypto for all tanks
exotic spoke
@sand egret speak for yourself
lusty grotto
except maybe BoP pussies like prot pala
sand egret
well n on dorfs
exotic spoke
Fucking dwarf
native mantle
thanks for the tips guys
exotic spoke
Is for the win
sand egret
going dorf in KR is sooo great
native mantle
for shield block throughout the whole dungeon
lusty grotto
what overall uptimes
native mantle
shield block mainly
lusty grotto
i mean
lusty grotto
50% effective uptimes?
sand egret
pretty sure stagger doesn't come into play at full effectiveness for bleeds
lusty grotto
that's low as shit
native mantle
from details
exotic spoke
@native mantle your shield block up time isn’t important. Your blocked hits is important. There is a distinct difference
native mantle
that makes senes
exotic spoke
Did you count in last Stand (since we take bolster)
distant crystal
@frail rock it should
native mantle
god i have a lot to learn as prot lmao
tawny maple
Also you only had IP up 40% of the dungeon?
distant crystal
physical dmg
native mantle
i didnt because i am bad at using it still
distant crystal
doh
lusty grotto
IP uptimes do not matter
native mantle
i use it mostly as an OH SHIT
native mantle
ye i figured it out after the dungeon when i thought about
how i could've survived better
red wedge
IP just helps damage smoothing. It's not a CD or use on CD type thing.
tawny maple
I mean I know they dont matter if youre not using them right but in a 12 siege I did I had it up for like 90% of the dungon according to details
tawny maple
I know KR is harder but
lusty grotto
🙏
tawny maple
Im just saying
native mantle
how do i log my shit through dungeons?
exotic spoke
You honestly overcapped IP so much or you didn’t do big enough pulls seregon
native mantle
i've tried looking at logs but
lusty grotto
/combatlog
native mantle
no no
exotic spoke
Or, you should have used revenge for more details @tawny maple
native mantle
its just overal information
is that what im looking for in dungeons?
if so, i can always log that's a np
tawny maple
download Warcraft logs
lusty grotto
what
sand egret
dungeons is harder to log, since the layout is a bit more dynamic
tawny maple
You're not wrong @exotic spoke but pugs I have trust issues
warm plinth
Tbf it’s really hard to time blade dance for the berserker bleed. The cast time is super fast and they tend to choose randomly when to cast it after the leap.
lusty grotto
wdym just use /combatlog before putting in the key
native mantle
i was trying to find logs for dungeons on WCL but i didnt find anything that i could use
i can log it without a problem
reading is the problem
lusty grotto
im not sure i understand
exotic spoke
It’s not a matter of reading other logs. It’s so that we can evaluate yours
lusty grotto
☝
tawny maple
That too
tropic star
anyone know why the nullification barrier minor power is so much more powerful on Monks than warriors? both have rank 3 of the essence, his neck is 1 level higher and he has about =10% damage from vers and i have +5% but his does like 50% more absorb and damaabe
tawny maple
Im guessing because they stagger it?
ionic fern
🤔
warm plinth
Like the tooltip shows a 50% bigger absorb?
tawny maple
So it technically blocks more because its not the full hit
native mantle
tropic star
dunno if it has anything to do with stagger. Each of his bubbles are like 50% bigger
ionic fern
Logs.
native mantle
this is kind of weird for me to read as prot
i'm used to looking at fights on bosses
exotic spoke
If I do a key, I’m probably going to get a 99% parse.
It doesn’t mean I did well for that key level - it means I did higher than 99% of all other keys of that dungeon. So even just looking at parses (which in a vacuum is bad) doesn’t mean a lot
fervent nexus
darn monks and their stagger
exotic spoke
Yeah you’re trying to compare yourself to a DK
lusty grotto
select your tank
lusty grotto
okay going back to the null thing
native mantle
ye, sorry
exotic spoke
Yeah, and all the times you may have overlapped shield block with last stand
native mantle
i'll get some next time
exotic spoke
Or that time when you thought you died cause the healer didn’t heal - but realized you stood in shit
native mantle
then i'll get bakc to you guys :D
exotic spoke
Ps, after accidentally forgetting to swap off cyclotronic until after I started 3-4 dungeons yesterday I’m back on the cyclotronic train
warm plinth
You see that a lot don’t you Riki
exotic spoke
Not personally. But for the raid dps
lusty grotto
cyclotronic for fort weeks idk man
exotic spoke
Sounds like a healing problem Nim
exotic spoke
Oh I did.
lusty grotto
because its fort week
exotic spoke
Butchers block and cyclotronic
lusty grotto
id use cyclo on tyr weeks for sure though
exotic spoke
So, aoe and single target for emissaries / bosses
exotic spoke
I’m getting shit luck with emissaries
lusty grotto
what are those
exotic spoke
Just got a 440 weapon from TD. That felt good. 25 Ilvl increase
exotic spoke
Hated TD this week though.
exotic spoke
Had some strats / death skips that worked in 14s or so.
Didn’t go so well in the 17. Over by 9 minutes
Oooh! This was funny lol. Did a pug 11.
Got to cannons.
Told them “cannon the first pack.”
“Do not hit the emissary in the second pack”
What does he do? Cannons the second pack instead of the first and hits the arcane emissary - instantly dies
But yeah, I think more death skips may be used in TD going forward. Do the shit outside in large groups and skip a fuck ton later
tropic star
just posted a log in log reveiw for sivarra. you should be able to take a look at damage done by null barrier and healing done. My bubbles are like 32k and his were 44.5k each. Which is a bit more than i would expect the difference to be based on vers stats and one extra neck level
distant crystal
@tropic star Celestial Fortune
Celestial Fortune
Monk - Brewmaster Spec
Requires Monk (Brewmaster)
You have a chance equal to your critical strike chance to be healed for an additional 65% of the amount healed.
tropic star
i thoought that as well but celestial fortune is only a back to increase the shield and the max bubble size is consistent throughout the whole fight
also celestial fortune healing counts for itself as a line item
exotic spoke
Where you the green tank mcjiggles?
tropic star
and he is less than 65% bigger shield
exotic spoke
With the stacking necrotic debuff
tropic star
err its the monks top healing lol
distant crystal
Brewme tricked me with their name
tropic star
ii am the warrior, and had frost
exotic spoke
Don’t know if that would effect it or not.
Guess not.
Hard to check from my phone.
tropic star
his cyclotronic does more as well, but i definitely attribute that to versatility and crit chance
dmg trinkets less effectivewhen haste stacking
if only they reduced trinket CDs
exotic spoke
What Ilvl is your trinket btw?
tropic star
with haste
exotic spoke
For cyclo
tropic star
425?
exotic spoke
What’s his?
tropic star
yeah i assumed tehre was only 1
oh
interesting
id check but its a wf like 425 or 430
the whole trinket is 425
lusty grotto
lmao enchanted emmisary at cannons seems hilarious
exotic spoke
It uh. We scienced it... but it uh, killed our rogue through cheat death with a single shot
Full to zero / no cheat death
exotic spoke
We wanted to learn mechanics when we saw we weren’t timing the 17
lusty grotto
goddamn i was dying
literally could not stop laughing for 10 mins straight
im still waiting for ghash to join us
exotic spoke
UR though - super easy this week
lusty grotto
always ghosts us
exotic spoke
Fuck it, come alliance and we’ll find a healer
warm plinth
I’ve never ghosted you D:
lusty grotto
yeah youre right
unborn island
yeah, UR was a piece of cake
unborn island
have they massively nerfed the damage of the first boss blood bolt?
lusty grotto
snapping saurids was risky though
unborn island
i ate one on a 10 and it basically did nothing
lusty grotto
dat sanguine
distant crystal
tbh i think it's the vers + neck level
exotic spoke
Yeah, but it’s also fortified so that doesnit too
warm plinth
They bugged the base damage technically but they fixed the broken scaling. Resulted in like a 50% nerf
exotic spoke
It’s because of scaling loose cannon
warm plinth
Buffed not bugged
unborn island
mmmm, i guess, it was always on a 18/19 before when it was dangerous
exotic spoke
To make it so that it wouldn’t be fucking oof if you miss a kick
lusty grotto
i gotta do 13/14 today
hasty nova
been a fairly good week for pushing
unborn island
so maybe it will still be deadly on 16+
hasty nova
I think ppl are finally starting to gear for the patch, so keys are balancing back out.
lusty grotto
ya
hasty nova
yeah we 2 chested a 14 UR
unborn island
Have been spammin AD 10s
unborn island
the number of people at that level who are absofuckinglutely dreadful is amusing
hasty nova
i finnally got my 430 rezzan's trinket. was upset it didn't warforge or socket
distant crystal
still no shield tho
lusty grotto
yikes
unborn island
that's nice.
lusty grotto
feelsbadman
dense flame
I’ve been actually not to pissed about beguiling
exotic spoke
Logged on after gym and before going to work.
the DH I run with was trying to spam UR for his BiS weapon.
He was getting declined from 10s and 11s and not because they filled
hasty nova
yeah i really would like to get that achivement this week
unborn island
16 ML with these affixes would've been a PITA last season
hasty nova
i love beguiling
exotic spoke
We couldn’t figure out why thenfuck they declined him
hasty nova
don't get me wrong, i loved reaping too. but shit needs to change up man. same thing for too long gets old on anything
lusty grotto
but its def better than infested
dense flame
It brings back some coordination.
lusty grotto
i think the my biggest gripe with it is the fact that you can't pre-plan without running the dungeon
unborn island
maybe once I'm back to 14-16 range the players will stop being crap again 😃
lusty grotto
but that's also a good thing
dense flame
But sucks for pugs if your tank isn’t doing things well.
Like now it’s so reliant on your tank
unborn island
literally 3 groups this week telling me you can't shroud to Volkaal because 'the mobs see stealth'
I facepalm so hard
lusty grotto
like i see it being good because its a bit less boring
unborn island
they then proceed to run straight through the mobs and say 'seee I was right noob tank'
hasty nova
yeah nim, I fully hear you on that. But now that method has cleared world first. AND this is the thrid week so (supposily) we will get back to cycle 1 of three of the emissary placements. Hopefully we can get an updated MDT with weekly placement positions and percent
lusty grotto
we'll see
exotic spoke
I honestly like having to figure shit out on the fly
dense flame
Your tank has to feel comfortable calling shots and knowing where you can chain pull even more imo. Idk people want to be like “but I saw nerfed group do it like this”
exotic spoke
It’s refreshing
lusty grotto
yeah riki
hasty nova
riki i agree
lusty grotto
that's why i like/dislike it
dense flame
Then go why didn’t it work for us? Noob tank
hasty nova
Really forces the group to play together
exotic spoke
We did some weird shit randomly that we wouldn’t have done if we planned it out
Like “pull all this shit... fuck that emissary. Split the pull and go”
hasty nova
like OH SHIT A TIDES IS HERE root it! and los behind this pillar
lusty grotto
the whole running dungeon / rerunning thing is an issue for me because my time is limited
dense flame
Yeah it adds spontaneity
unborn island
^ same
lusty grotto
if i had more time i would like it a lot
hasty nova
or with a differnt group on AD we were like OH SHIT A TIDES IS HERE.. wait we have a shaman termor it and nuke the terrdatal
lusty grotto
hehehe
unborn island
If I had time I'd have a regular group 😛
dense flame
For most part pretty chill
lusty grotto
well im just happy beguiling isn't as aids as we thought it would be
and is actually fun
lucid vale
improvising strats is that a bit like improvised jazz with funky melody?
ripe mason
https://gyazo.com/8b1139c3f2839a30c6aeb497881d6d37
Bought 1 and this is what I got. Should I keep it or try again?
dense flame
Hmmmm
hasty nova
I think the hardest part about forming set groups with keys is that. most people already have set raid groups/times. I commit three hours three days a week to raid. trying to commit more "scheduled" time to keys is a lot of commitment
exotic spoke
Pull from the same raid team and win where possible
old night
sup gamers
so im flexing this tier and our one tank is out for mythic sivara
what I'm reading the reverb is physical so does that mean that we can LS/SB the soak?
or would we still need to have someone stack
hasty nova
Oh i play with a lot of the same guys. but as far as setting time aside from IRL
wheat bronze
It only does about 50% of your health
exotic spoke
Raid lead / top dps melee. Healing lead / top hps healer, officer / MT, other melee dps officer and one of our best ranged dps. blow some shit up
wheat bronze
No need to stack but it also isnt blockable
exotic spoke
@old night it doesn’t hurt mich. not blockable though
old night
so can we solo it?
hasty nova
i solo the soak @old night but i don't think it's blockable
wheat bronze
Yes
exotic spoke
Yes
distant crystal
you still wanna have SB up though
old night
kk
exotic spoke
^^
distant crystal
for the pre/post melee
hasty nova
Granted, while ur tanking u should have SB up
modern brook
wheat bronze
As long as you have at least 70% or so, it wont kill you
wheat bronze
I split it with my offtank
old night
im only prot tanking 3 fights this tier so im excited
wheat bronze
Just cause why not
old night
i miss tanking full time
distant crystal
i guess you can get close enough to split it without touching tips and unstabling eh
wheat bronze
Yep
hasty nova
if the other tank is there, and not droping or doing whatever I also soak it with tank
cuz why not
but a lot of times co-tank is elsewhere
wheat bronze
We only swap tanks during barrage
We could technically solo tank
12 stacks doesnt hurt
wheat bronze
It kinda sucks to solo tank as poison
lusty grotto
Had tanks taunting every 5 for whatever reason, it makes me irrationally mad
lusty grotto
Fucking dbm
vestal edge
430 any weapon beats 415 zaqul 1h axe right
lusty grotto
Yes
warm plinth
Top end doesn’t matter. DPS does.
exotic spoke
Wait, aren’t weapon speeds normalized now at like 2.6?
warm plinth
Yeah
exotic spoke
How is something 15 ilvls higher (and therefore should have higher dps) have a lower top end - unless it’s range is incredibly small
warm plinth
Yeah they have smaller ranges typically
exotic spoke
I get it, I’m just saying like - that range must be fucking tiny
Either way - Ilvl > * for weapons / shields especially
strong forum
maces,sword and axes have different dmg ranges, they average out to same dps
exotic spoke
I know - I’m just saying it’s interesting that something 15 ilvls higher has a lower top end is all
strong forum
i think swords have lower top end
sick sentinel
I know vision is the preferred major but if I’m getting shit on in a key is there a better option?
sick sentinel
I ran vision/lucid
strong forum
this week just sucks
sick sentinel
strong forum
its a horrible week
exotic spoke
I mean there’s your issue
strong forum
and its KR
sick sentinel
Guildies said I wasn’t undergeared but tbh I felt undergeared
exotic spoke
It’s a good week for pushing non WM / TD / KR
sick sentinel
It was a mix of mains and alts. Warrior is my alt lol
strong forum
fort griev IS TERRIBLE
sick sentinel
But I might be swapping to warrior main if we can’t get a fury. 😒
strong forum
wtf do you mean
strong forum
the only week thats worse was the one we had 2 weeks ago
exotic spoke
I mean it’s not a bad week imo. It was pretty easy. It felt easy / maybe it’s cause we’re more geared
But 2 chesting UR 15 felt good
oblique garnet
kr is not bad
weary thorn
if this week feels easy, then every week should feel easy
exotic spoke
KR for an alt is bad imo
sick sentinel
We also didn’t have enchanted emissaries handled well
Wait is enchanted the reflect one?
vast sedge
Yes
strong forum
i dont know what drugs youve been taking but any fort /griev week is disgusting
sick sentinel
The reflect emissary. That one sucked.
strong forum
fort should be removed from the game
exotic spoke
Again, maybe it was because we’re more geared than two weeks ago / haven’t gotten to where we should for pushing yet, but this week didn’t feel bad
vast sedge
I thought this week was easy af
oblique garnet
It is
strong forum
idk siege 17 was the ABSOLUTE HORROR
freehold is freehold, and so is UR
but fuck me
exotic spoke
I hate sanguine in WM and TD and I hate fort KR but otherwise it wasn’t bad
strong forum
siege fort is absolutely disgusting
vast sedge
Bring someone who can dispel poison
strong forum
hah
vast sedge
It’s not bad
stark ruin
Siege is disgusting in general imho
exotic spoke
We fucked around in a siege 15 and timed it. Did a bunch of stupid shit and it wasn’t bad
strong forum
hahah
imagine having poison dispells
imagine being cucked into a fucking resto druid
oblique garnet
Imagine playing with 4 warriors and mistweaver while playing a drinking game
vast sedge
Ww
vast sedge
? Monks crank
sick sentinel
What is a monk
strong forum
monk is literally the reason why 4 core members of our guild quit the game
exotic spoke
Our monk hated the touch of karma shit and playstyle and quit as well
strong forum
yup
exotic spoke
Our monk healer hangs around though
Both of our monk tanks quit / retooled (though 1 was for RL things since he had a kid)
sick sentinel
plays monk rolls face on keyboard parses 100
strong forum
monk is literally the most boring class in the game
and delete rogues btw
kthx
or shroud
or both
exotic spoke
Just give shroud to two more classes - one ranged at least - and see what happens first imo
sick sentinel
Guild tried to make me swap bm because that's what the world firsts use, told them I'd quit, I cant go back from 75 plus CPM to the crap monks run lol
strong forum
^
exotic spoke
If we went by the world first guilds no one would play melee really
lusty grotto
I <3 monks
sick sentinel
There was a fury on the world first! :)
exotic spoke
I mean - so they had two melee.
One of which I guarantee was a DH to buff magic damage
sick sentinel
The secondary stat scaling on fury is pumping them up pretty crazy
lusty grotto
Yep
strong forum
ours is simming 45k+ now
exotic spoke
Ahh sorry, yes rogues. I just saw limits. I didn’t pay much attention to the world first shit cause it doesn’t affects much
strong forum
the race was fun until azshara
lusty grotto
I feel bad about limit
strong forum
azshara is such a boring and shitty boss
sick sentinel
I didn’t pay attention to World first cause azshara melted my brain
lusty grotto
Every single race
sick sentinel
I'm getting 5.0 for haste and crit now in the off spec at ilvl 435, my spriest and rogues aren't simming any stats above 4.3
lusty grotto
They come ahead and lose at the end boss
strong forum
why feel bad? Limit is giving their best
sick sentinel
If I wanted to watch a raid wipe on the same mechanic 105$3$2&19293 times I would just show up to my own raid
exotic spoke
They fucked it up and choked. I want them to win but still
lusty grotto
Yeah it's fair
strong forum
cant be mad about that
lusty grotto
But was hoping they would take this one
sick sentinel
Limit gave their best and had an extra half day and like 150 more pulls
strong forum
na i dont
strong forum
who was mad
lusty grotto
For just about everything
strong forum
heh?
lusty grotto
Limit rling through a no latency stream - method fan boys mad
strong forum
seems like i missed smth
sick sentinel
why are login servers full 
I think if limit copied methods meme break after every pull thing they could learn something. I'm positive method does that as much to relieve stress as anything else
lusty grotto
Method split from redbull - method fan boys mad
exotic spoke
Do it after a couple pulls to decompress.
strong forum
because redbull was unfair
oblique garnet
"Meme break" i mean fixing weakauras after pull isnt exactly memebreak
lusty grotto
Oh please
Let's not start
They are both businesses they are doing it for the money
sick sentinel
Well no, but the internet is stupid and thinks they're breaking for no reason :p
strong forum
exactly
lusty grotto
There's nothing to be mad about as a fanboy
sick sentinel
Don’t make me start the leech meme
strong forum
no one was mad about them splitting?
strong forum
why
lusty grotto
Dunno
strong forum
method is the reason for numbers
not redbull
hence why im happy that redbull stream peaked at 15k viewers
lusty grotto
Cause method talked shit that they shouldn't have
oblique garnet
I wish method would have streamed with comms
lusty grotto
On Twitter
oblique garnet
As limit did
exotic spoke
Talk shit all you want. Just back it up and no big deal
strong forum
cuz limit streamed with comms, they fucked redbull
to get 0 views
if method streamed comms, nobody would watch main channel
but i like method not streaming comms, cuz they can be themselves
without having to censor one another
strong forum
exactly
lusty grotto
But it wasn't a 100% deal
sick sentinel
They have to think about enough not considering sponsors dropping you for dropping obscenities when you fuck up a mechanic