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warm plinth
exotic spoke
No
warm plinth
You can maintain high uptime while actively tanking, but you can't get 100%.
rapid jewel
no, but on the most fights while you are tanking, you get very close to 100%
exotic spoke
In fights with tank swaps youll get close by using bolster for last stand
In m+ you will not have it
worn socket
alright cool, just wanted to make sure there wasnt something I was missing out on
exotic spoke
Your defensive rotation should be 3 SB and then last stand
rapid jewel
but the usual fights 3 times SB is enough to cover till swap.
if you ever do myth behemoth, dont waste SB charges during his casts (And he cast a fucking lot)
junior ivy
who is good at emulators and stuff
warm plinth
Same
exotic spoke
Nah, I think you’re bad at being bad
warm plinth
Nah, I think I'm bad at being bad
vestal edge
i have socketed crit benthic boots is that good for us?
shut summit
yea good for damage if thats what you're goin for
onyx vessel
Ded tank is ded imo tho so i go for surv
With 3 BoM is mastery weaker then vers or still =
sand relic
what 2 trinkets should i use for tanking this is all i have https://gyazo.com/c6efce09a8b767f0e66d8dc919906119
any ideas ?
rapid jewel
I would probally go with bandages and butcher, but you should focus on getting better ones.
sand relic
all i got for now
snow lance
Clearly the button
rapid jewel
farm a bit atal, +6 keys are ok if you dont like grievious until you get eye
lusty grotto
Button is good for snap agro for keys
rapid jewel
which we have issues with 😃
lusty grotto
But there are def better trinkets
rapid jewel
there are a lot of better trinkets
lusty grotto
Go for block and button for keys and/or blindstone and block I suppose
45 ilvls of passive str is worth it over shit bandages
sand relic
what about survuvabilty tho
snow lance
dmg = survivability
lusty grotto
Block and blindstone are your picks for defensiveness for keys, but the added str might be worth defensively as well due to how IP is calculated (from button)
Blindstone might be good for raids, and I'm gonna say button due to str alone since crit isn't that good for that particular content type
You can probably shred the rest
sick sentinel
What do you guys think is BIS trinkets for raids right now?
lusty grotto
Depends on what you need
sick sentinel
as far as defensive goes
exotic spoke
Check icy veins
rapid jewel
urchin is always a solid choice.
lusty grotto
Yep
exotic spoke
When your healer says “I got you” in a 21 And let’s you die so he only has to use a single gcd to get you fully healed
Feels bad man
rapid jewel
edict on every fight with magic
sick sentinel
when has icy veins ever been right??? almost this whole xpac they have been incorrect on bis stuff
sick sentinel
I guess im usually looking at m+ stuff instead of raid
lusty grotto
Both urchin and edict are solid for raids
exotic spoke
Even then - it’s been good for m+
rapid jewel
in that case urchin and the highest ilvl idol you can get your hands on
lusty grotto
More focused on defensiveness though
exotic spoke
But you have to know the perspective it’s written form @sick sentinel
sick sentinel
well as long as theyre updating things
exotic spoke
It is defensively oriented. High m+ have to definitely blend defensive and offensives
rapid jewel
did someone tried and kept up the mecha dungeon dodge trinket on max stacks in m+?
sick sentinel
I just was looking at methods prot warrior and he still has diamond laced lol
exotic spoke
Oh? No, but I want to on behemoth but forgot last night
Erm two nights
Could have had shit luck getting trinkets
rapid jewel
diamond is still op
lusty grotto
It's possible he has a forged one
But eventually it will be overtaken
Also it depends on his drop luck
sick sentinel
yeah it was 415
spice ferry
if he got a cap ilvl piece in bod it would be strong af
sick sentinel
probably just didnt get anything better
spice ferry
even at 415 its still super good
rapid jewel
yeah, method focused more on gearing there monks instead of warri
spice ferry
monk is great if you enjoy afking mid encounter
exotic spoke
Monks are safe for cutting edge. Warriors are still strong
sick sentinel
I prefer warrior pally in my progression
rapid jewel
yeah monks have no weak side
sick sentinel
but their animations are sooo lame
exotic spoke
Warrior dks combo is really good too imo
spice ferry
except the risk of your tank sleeping
sick sentinel
and all the monks ive played with dont know how to use stagger correctly
rapid jewel
animations arent WFR main focus 😃
still the best M+ tank trinket is still idol, if you ask me
lusty grotto
gross
sick sentinel
ok I see what you guys' are saying
icyveins is updated for sure
it wasnt for a while... atleast for some classes
lusty grotto
whatever this discord links to, is usually the go-to
novel temple
wait which idol
sick sentinel
so benthic gear isnt great for survivability?
rapid jewel
exotic spoke
I’d probably rate edicts over it
serene kraken
what essences do i equip to blast m+?
exotic spoke
Oh it is rollyson. Because it’s on demand healing (a significant amount)
rapid jewel
idol is a godsend on grievious
exotic spoke
And solid aoe damage
Just dwarf to reset it
Boom problem solved
No but seriously - idols really good. I think it’ll get over taken quickly though
rapid jewel
idol on myth is 425 baseline and i still prefer a big on demand heal over the meidcore hsield of edict everry 40 seconds
exotic spoke
Not everyone has donenmythic cos or can convince there guild to go there
^because of magic heavy dungeons like ML
rapid jewel
what else would you use nim?
exotic spoke
I do one and one
spice ferry
hell our guild did aotc once and never touched it again
exotic spoke
Typically
spice ferry
i've personally never even zoned in
novel temple
Nah, the haste red card
vestal edge
is the dodge red punchcard good?
honest frigate
I didn’t get idol on our mythic uunat kill and we haven’t gone back in since and probably won’t 🙃
Shame because idol is the perfect m+ trinket imo
For warriors anyway
crimson thorn
Hey guys quick question, was doing Heroic Palace this morning with my guild and looking over the logs on anything not AoE our pally tank was easily pulling above me for dps? I'm running Vision as my main essence and ripple for minor, and not having any real survivability issues. Would swapping to say crucible for major get me better results?
I like trying to get the most out of my warrior and dont like getting shown up by our flashier brothers in plate
rapid jewel
flame is strong st, also devastator + maybe RF traits
on magic damage fighty, nulldynamo givey you 2k dps at rank 3
crimson thorn
Ooh I didn't see that minor effect on null dynamo I'll have to put in a bit more effort to grab that, thanks!
I can never get used to the free globals devistator gives, I know it can be good but my rotation feels botched without filling with devastate
lusty grotto
is he playing seraphym @crimson thorn
neat lagoon
@crimson thorn I have so much rage regen as it is that I rarely use devastate anyway. I am just spamming Revenge having a plethora of rage, unless I am pooling it specifically for boss mechanics
I also don't know what trinkets you are using but something with a crit or strength proc might perform well? heck, even the punchcard with haste proc and cyclonic blast might be better? just ideas
crimson thorn
@neat lagoon that's what I've been running into ever since picking up vision @lusty grotto and no I think he's been going with righteous protector
Yeah I was just looking at the blast card cause right now I have the coral trinket that gives healing and my punch cards so no extra dmg coming from there
neat lagoon
unless I am worried about surv, I have been using teh Phial from Radiance (that does passive pulsing damage) and the Raz's Big Red Button bomb trinket from MOTHERLOAD. Even though its a long on use the singe target explosion is like 50k+ and its passive strength on it. I would even try simming your prot warrior and see. Since you dont have surv issues, might as well bump up the boss damage
crimson thorn
That's kinda what I've been thinking, just trying to see where I should scale back my survivability for more damage
undone sun
yes
vivid mulch
trying to do as much dmg as possible for ashvane on heroic
sick sentinel
stacking RF is one of, if not the best trait for ST dps
vivid mulch
thats what i thought
sick sentinel
would need confirmation from the big brains, but i also think BfI pulls ahead of Bastion in terms of ST dps
rapid jewel
not sure about that one, but bastion is more consistent then BfI
vivid mulch
i have BFI in one and 2 BoM
neat lagoon
wait whats BFI?
undone sun
brace for impact
neat lagoon
oh duh
like @sick sentinel said, I still believe Bastion would pull ahead if you put 3 stacks of each against one another. The AP gain from mastery and the TC damage from the talent + visions procs is just too strong imo
I normally like to keep one BFI though because of the block gain from it, and its up time is pretty good
oh wait @sick sentinel said the opposite LOL I still stand what Bastion though
torn gulch
I have a dillema: i have one piece of benthic legs with versa/mastery/socket and one with versa/mastery/avoidance - which one do i upgrade? Or shall I continue playing the benthic lottery for a piece with haste/mastery/socket or tertiary
rapid jewel
the secondary stats on bethic gear are kinda fixed, check this before playing the lotto
torn gulch
yea for legs you can get versa/mastery or haste/mastery
i already checked that
i kinda want a haste/mastery piece
but i have a versa/mastery/socket and versa/mastery/avoidance
and i am thinking if i should continue playing lotto or just upgrade what i have
as my haste is kinda low
rapid jewel
define low
torn gulch
13 base 28 with into the fray at maxed stacks
rapid jewel
you should aim for roughly 1500 haste, so you can chain 3 SB cleanly
sick sentinel
didn't consider vision, irrc in BfD Brace was slightly better for parsing, but with vision synergy BoM is probably better now mb
undone sun
i mean, not a necessity to get that much haste
it's just a point where it has a significant use
torn gulch
what's 1500 haste in percentage?
sick sentinel
and i would upgrade the one with the socket
rapid jewel
@sick sentinel Vsision just procs a 35% IP and Mastery from BoM
torn gulch
abount 20 something percent?
torn gulch
oh then i sould be golden at 28 with into the fray right?
torn gulch
yea ilvl upgrade is the goal
rapid jewel
I would feel naked with 28% haste including into the fray
torn gulch
so upgrading the versa/mastery/socket is the way to go?
undone sun
feelings are irrelevant
sick sentinel
@rapid jewel it also gives you a much higher uptime of BoM via the minor
rapid jewel
yeah I know, but check your WA. Avatar doesn't extend a VoP proc over the avatar duration, while a Avatar proc from VoP can extend it over the max duration
sick sentinel
im not sure what yo'ure trying to argue
I just said that with vision BoM is better in ST situations now than BfI
rapid jewel
if you use avatar during VoP proc, you are wasting avatar uptime
sick sentinel
i never said to do that...?
fickle geode
http://puu.sh/DXqDu/9eb02c9eef.jpg 445 this or 435 this for M+ I can't decide.
need halp
honest frigate
The higher Ilvl one
modern brook
neat lagoon
If they are the same item level I would take the top one, but that's just me. Any increase to block is good im my mind
what's everyone favorite fight in Mechagon? My vote goes to Tankbuster
crimson thorn
I really like machinists garden, but I enjoy dodging stuff xD
sick sentinel
Is cop really the best primary essence? Got this addon azeritepowerweights that puts life and death above it
Vop
undone sun
no idea who even maintains the powerweights, likelihood of it being inaccurate is quite high
sick sentinel
You can set your own custom values if you want to, I just use it as a general guide.
Only takes into account dps since intake dmg is hard to calculate
hasty nova
hey guys i need some help. i'm trying to review logs and see when spell reflect
lethal plaza
on mythic radiance, how do i survive that melee nature dmg from the storm wraith/adds
lethal plaza
dude that nature damage is insane
undone sun
depends what specifically you're looking for, when you cast it, if it actually reflects and damage done, or if it's doing any damage reduction
hasty nova
i'm looking for what spell reflect is affecting
like if i cast spell refelct does it reflect that huge nature dmg?
undone sun
@sick sentinel right, i know how it works. but it's basically just like stat weights and pawn, unnecessary. i don't recall seeing any strings in the recommended guides so any input would be inaccurate just like pawn
sick sentinel
I've heard it only reflects the first spell cast at you and past that it gives the MR
undone sun
spell reflected damage is from target to the same target, it's self damage
hasty nova
oh it's melee nature dmg
lethal plaza
yeah check combat log after you die
hasty nova
wow can we block that like normal melee or no?
lethal plaza
can't block
undone sun
sick sentinel
Can't SR aoe last I checked too, has to be void bolt to face from what I can tell, not sure how void bolt volley works like that though
Like you can sr a magic aoe if you know you are going to be in fire for any reason to lessen dmg
neat lagoon
@undone sun that's incredibly helpful spreadsheet. Never thought that on first boss the Marks were reflectable
I just used SR to help with the DoT damage
lusty grotto
its in #268491842637660160
dusk locust
holy cow there's a lot of dmg in p2 of radiance. figured out after a few pulls that none of it is blockable (shoulda looked at the spreadsheet beforehand ;o)
sick sentinel
I gave up on raiding personally
Get better stuff from mythics which take less time and easier
sick sentinel
Well, my name is Blake starts with a b
hasty nova
wait so unshackled power
does spell reflect not midigate trhat dmg?
or it just doesn't "reflect" that dmg
undone sun
Right, it's magic so it's mitigated by SRs reduction portion
but since it's stated as not reflectable, you still take the damage
pallid berry
wait yall arent answering my question yea?
undone sun
hi cat
undone sun
😅
pallid berry
sorry wait its orgozoas weapon, the one that reduces damage done and taken by 10%
wheat bronze
Can mythic BoD gear titanforge above 425?
hollow owl
hey, im new to prot but it seems like it'd be helpful if i could cast intercept with a mouseover macro on friendly targets, do people do this?
hollow owl
could you paste your macro by chance?
undone sun
/cast [@mouseover,help,nodead]
junior ivy
ty
undone sun
i would normally use Clique so it doesn't require macro conditions, but that should be standard
hollow owl
i wasnt sure if clique worked for that, but i guess i dont see why not
i have only used it for heals
undone sun
yeh, great for placement abilities like heroic leap
don't need the confirmation click if you have it set to hovercast
junior ivy
the heroic leap macro changed my life
hollow owl
the "@cursor" one?
undone sun
yeah
worn socket
Do any of our BiS Azerite Pieces come from Benthic?
warm plinth
Benthic azerite only goes to 430, so no
worn socket
Ah, very good point. Cant believe I didnt think about that lol
hybrid swift
Should i keep my rank 1 vision of perfection or rank 2 Anima of lige
formal rune
Holy shit I only just noticed that hero leap resets cooldown on taunt lol. Life changing
undone sun
😑
weak mason
https://clips.twitch.tv/ConsiderateMotionlessBarracudaPartyTime this is how u tank ashvane
hardy mesa
Is Winds of War any good?
pallid berry
hey why are so many warriors stacking 3 bastions of might
is it for damage boosting or is it some suvival strait
pulsar canopy
warm plinth
@fierce juniper Anyone ever told you you're adorable when you're wiping your raid?
fierce juniper
crimson thorn
We could hear the regret when you said "that was me" XD we've all been there!
warm plinth
lol
crimson thorn
When you have to admit it wasn't a dps who fucked it
prisma crane
willow scarab
cyclo blast looks cool to use so it's ok
willow scarab
A lot of us don't think it's worth it but Marok uses it so maybe it's hidden good
not sure what the theory is on it
solar delta
Over unstable flame?
sick sentinel
if it procs a lot for you then you keep it and if it doesnt then you dont
not rocket science
willow scarab
Play full offensive so you can proc it every 30 seconds for value 🤔
sick sentinel
pure defense trait with pure offense traits. it's like a chocolate vanilla swirl. which everyone enjoys
solar delta
Also, any opinions on Force multiplier vs Quick Nav?
warm plinth
You're a force multiplier
solar delta
That's* omegaforcemultiplier to you
spice ferry
I’ll multiply your force 😉
warm plinth
😏
oblique garnet
🤨
sick sentinel
Hot
rapid tide
How often can I multiply my force though before it becomes too much force to handle.
stark ruin
question. I know that haste is best, but I started to reach a point where I basically have double the haste vs. anything else and I started to think about changing my enchants to crit. It just feels odd to be below 20% crit while I have 1.5k haste...
So, am I right in feeling like that?
I know that
I guess I'll have to play with the sims plus run some keys to get a feel of a different layout
rapid tide
Haste is quite good offensively for m+ etc tbf.
rapid tide
I would say that there is never a point where I feel like having too much of it.
Sitting at ~1.8k atm and I would take another 1k if I could 🤷
stark ruin
It's not about too much haste, it's more about too little crit 😃
and my versa silently climbed up with the upgrades
rapid tide
Sitting at 15% crit atm, does not really feel bad and can still keep my ~20k overall for dungeons so I don't see the need for more. Running Gore-Crusted though.
I mean if I would have the choice between a Haste>Crit and Haste>Vers item atm I would take the crit one.
But I would not go down on Haste just do get me up to 25% crit or sth.
And Vers affecting Crucible is true but then again most people run VoP + Lucid anyways.
So there's nothing to really affect 😛
stark ruin
I guess I'm just too used to having haste that I forgot how awful it is to play without it
rapid tide
Definitely true and you obviously want some sort of balance.
Like going 40% base haste and having legit 0 of all other stats potentially is annoying, too.
I mostly just look for Haste > anything items
And secondary stats balance out to be fineish
🤷
Still wearing 3 items without haste and my 2nd ring is Vers>Haste
So replacing those I can probably get to 2k Haste without any issues and still will have ~500-1k of the other stats.
Which is fine in my book.
sick sentinel
I was enchanting and gemming crit
Because over the duration of the tier I had the choice to get nicely statted items
But before raid yesterday I saw that my haste was down to 800 because of a new ring and went with everything haste
rapid tide
Uff 😄
sick sentinel
I would start slowly gemming crit at about 1500 haste rating again
stark ruin
that's pretty low
oblique garnet
Its really early on in the tier just go with ilvl
rapid tide
I was really happy that my first 450 forged ring was the FH one with BIg Haste > Crit
:' )
rapid tide
Exactly 😛
Which is why I don't care about it atm.
Averaging ~60-64% uptime over keys atm, it's glorious.
Vision is the best thing ever.
sick sentinel
1 bom btw
rapid tide
Rip.
stark ruin
well, legion brewmaster face palm was the best thing ever
but vision is a close second
rapid tide
😄
sick sentinel
Do you even get hit
rapid tide
Probably nice on dps.
sick sentinel
Lmao
stark ruin
all the revenge procs
rapid tide
My biggest yikes atm are my 2nd trinket being the worldboss mainstat proc one and my shield being 410
:' )
stark ruin
living the dream of spamming revenge
rapid tide
But spamming keys for 2 IDs
And neither shield nor Trinket.
Did 4 ADs yday and nothing 😦
sick sentinel
Might as well go devastator, you're not pressing devastate anyway probably
rapid tide
Devastator in keys :))
sick sentinel
(Jk, BV is way too good)
rapid tide
tbf, I prefer current iteration 😄
jade socket
$pb @rough forge abrodus btw
turbid robinBOT
Done.
remote wadi
LOL
sick sentinel
How many times has he come back
willow scarab
that's funny as fuck
stark ruin
What was this?
willow scarab
I personally like his content
But I also know I'll get banned eventually for my thoughts on prot
And I'm a confirmed bad player so 
sick sentinel
yes you're also confirmed in a bad guild Kapp
willow scarab
Yeah that too
oblique garnet
How did ashvane go @willow scarab ?
willow scarab
we only had an hour on it after reclear and heroic
so not very well
pushes are so much better than last week though, clf rank 3 is such a big deal
you guys weren't kidding
willow scarab
massive rip
We've only had the one raid day this week so hopefully a kill in the next 2
neck hit 62 today so 500k base hp will be good for org prog
oblique garnet
Im gonna hit 61 today i think
sick sentinel
I just want 60 before monday's raid lmao
willow scarab
rank 3 cof is really nice
sick sentinel
parse week
willow scarab
finally get a rank 1 to my name
stop being a stupid loser with only 99s
it's been a rough tier not getting any 100s
tiny tinsel
Still wont be a good tank according to a special someone 😂
willow scarab
at least my gf thinks my character is cool
willow fractal
Where do you guys tank sivara on mythic? At first my guild wanted her tanked all tje way to the right of the space and then right in the middle...does it even matter? And is it worth rotating the boss so the froat n poison lances match the same side of the room frost for frost side of room etc?
rapid tide
Depends how confident you are in your dps etc. Starting to tank her where she stands has been the norm afaik.
You can change her facing for the barrages if you want, iirc they are on a set rotation.
So you can always have people not get opposite barrages towards them if they are movement cripples.
sick sentinel
we just put here where she is
brittle owl
put her in her place and start spanking 👋
spice ferry
👏👏👏
willow scarab
Turn her around from where her default position is and pull her slightly toward the wall
then as the fight goes on you repositions her slowly in a line towards the door during taunt swaps
wanton star
I suck at tank and hate to lead or depend on the rest of the team
what do and how to git gud?
arctic sedge
play it a lot
read icy veins and stuff
ask in here when theres problems?
stuff like that
brisk ferry
if you hate to lead and depend on a team, maybe you shouldn't play WoW?
or rather, enjoy your World Quests I guess?
brisk ferry
but tanking is both of those?
strong forum
cuz i can just do my own shit
no as tank you dont depend on anyone
you do as you please
and the leading part comes naturally if the others want to succeed
they just follow
wanton star
since when depending on others is a prerequisite to playing wow I'll never know >.>
brisk ferry
but there are a ton of resources on improving tanking
from guides to addons that help with most stuff, there's lot's to work on
oblique garnet
Tanking 101, hold aggro, dont let mobs hit you in the back
After that its just perfecting things like mitigation, dps etc
eternal plover
I wish logs would showcase tanking abilities as well. Like Damage taken
spice ferry
They do
spice ferry
They show damage taken, % mitigated etc
eternal plover
They dont.. you can find it, but u dont have an actual comparison in terms of parses like with dmg and healing
sick sentinel
You do
eternal plover
You have to do the comparison manually
sick sentinel
You said healing
eternal plover
Scroll Up i guess..
sick sentinel
I see you said damage taken
but you indeed also said healing
as it's own thing
:4h
eternal plover
Well healing is not really comparable for tanks in my opinion. Like .. you can cheese the parses by playing the ignore pain trait, which is kinda useless. But dmg taken is relevant for pretty much all encounters and is in my opinion the main thing determining a good and a bad tank
(i guess you could also cheese the dmg taken by just not taunting...)
oblique garnet
Compare ehrps
eternal plover
Which stands for..?
oblique garnet
^
sick sentinel
External Healing Required Per Second
Ah that makes more sense
legit the only stat that matters
oblique garnet
Was it external🤔
sick sentinel
I think
shush
external meaning from others
DON'T QUESTION ME
effective are both
eternal plover
Yeah that seems like a pretty handy log to look at
sick sentinel
Effective makes more sense
oblique garnet
Cant remember tbh i dont think ive ever used anything other than the shortened version
oblique garnet
Define pushing
oblique garnet
I dont have any reason to spam islands atm
eternal plover
Thank you so much @sick sentinel ! Now the numbers finally add up and i can showcase once and for all that our tank (prot warr) is taking way more dmg than he should!
oblique garnet
@eternal plover on what fight?
eternal plover
Its still the radiance fight i talked about last night in here. Its the guy who uses a very... Unique.. spec (HP over everything)
oblique garnet
Oh dear god it was that one
sleek parcel
Is this OK for Prot in m+? Dont think so or?
eternal plover
Yeah, he wont listen still @oblique garnet .. But i havent been able to prove that he takes more dmg than any others.. The EHRPS is an amazing stat ! he is 10-15k higher than everyone else on pretty much every fight
potent anvil
I think the E in EHRPS is external, but in either case yeah its a decent stat to look at.
sick sentinel
irrelevant stat if the boss dies anyway
unkempt palm
@sleek parcel what are your currently equipped trinkets?
sick sentinel
@potent anvil please fix conflict before tuesday
sleek parcel
@unkempt palm 440 Alch Stone and 415 Ink Pod
also got a 420 prism from dazar alor
and a 430 rezan eye and gore block
unkempt palm
Idk exactly what they do off the top of my head but I’m pretty sure alch stone is great when you use pots on your self. That ink pod idk too well it does to comment on it. Prism is great but eventually I think others will be better than it with higher ilvl such as the one you got the 450 gore imo is better off for a fury spec Rezans eye makes me jizz thinking about it but if you feel like you need the shield to save you a lot then use the 450 but I would personally go for the rezans eye in place of the 450. More strength does mean more Ignore pain though...well a larger number for pain to be ignored
@sleek parcel
sleek parcel
okidoki
unkempt palm
My dream is to get a tf socketed rezans eye
analog swift
@sleek parcel i'd go rezans/gorecrusted. Prism for gore crusted defensively
not a fan of the alch stone, however if you dont have the 120/80 prim stat slots used yet that alch stone is probably better
exotic spoke
That would be the dream Jambo
unkempt palm
@exotic spoke hell yeah brother
exotic spoke
Make a group of four and offer carries for their +10/11 AD key
analog swift
big brain
related: picked up this guy in /2
he wants 10 M+ carries
on four characters
......
exotic spoke
I’m about to do that for anything with a good one hander
Sure I’ll do that for 4* the price of antoken in gold
analog swift
my guild is running him through all weekend gunna stack up the gbank
exotic spoke
But if I don’t want shit it isn’t going to be free. And guess what - go die in the corner and stay there
Don’t release until last boss is dead
analog swift
except for freehold
exotic spoke
Yeah, we don’t do that as a guild. But people sell / have sold carries and pocket the cash all the time.
Oh yeah, for second boss
analog swift
yeah we generally dont but this dude wanted so many carries i figured i couldn't do them all
unkempt palm
Must be nice to have a dedicated group to fun m+ with
unkempt palm
Oh well you fooled me @analog swift
analog swift
yeah i mean i run w/ guildies but definitely don't have a dedicated group yet
unkempt palm
I was thinking your guild is full of at least 800+ io players so I considered that a “dedicated group”
exotic spoke
Jambo, that’s mine. Our (DH) is our Raid lead, our Druid is the healing lead, I’m the main tank, the rogue is another officer / long term player, and the spriest is one of our best dps ,
It’s a blessing and a curse. It spoils you when you just want to pug / do keys with other people. And we have a very odd push time - post raid Tuesday Thursday. Ends up being midnight until about 2:30 am for me
@unkempt palm what kind of guild are you in?
exotic spoke
Nah, but we started out about 1/3 into the season and barely doing 11/12s cause we hadn’t played that muchbas a small group together.
analog swift
yeah
exotic spoke
And didn’t have a lot of m+ experience in bfa
analog swift
i doubt the VOP major +LCD minor beat it
exotic spoke
At the end - we ended up clearing 20s / 21s with an io o 2500 ish
Anima and VoP is what I’m running for m+
unkempt palm
@exotic spoke im in a guild that does a bit of everything but I’d say raiding is their prime priority. My play time doesn’t line up for most of the raid times so I just pug m+ and I enjoy m+ too so I don’t mind. But I’m actually hesitant to ask in guild if anyone wants to run keys with me because I know some of them are just clueless when it comes to dungeons lol I’ve seen it firsthand and stopped running with said members since then
exotic spoke
So, if I may make a recommendation, try to find some like minded people from with in your guild that are good.
If they are honestly interested / want to dedicate time towards doing it their play will improve. Obviously pick the best people for it - but don’t worry if you don’t get the best people
When we set our group up, it wasn’t in guild chat. It was is messages / discord messages.
We initially started as a carry group - and still do some carries occasionally - but it was “hey you used to do this in legion and prot is really good for m+. Want to join myself; and smashed in carries for keys?” Is how I was asked
Then we added a fifth when we wanted to do pushes instead and dealt with the schedules later. Ideally I would have started with schedules first - but c’est la vie
unkempt palm
Yeah I’ve been doing that recently there’s a select few I run with. There’s a rogue who’s very good and has carried some dps through runs without his dps we probably wouldn’t have timed but yeah last night was pretty good we pushed 3 10s I think it was? So it’s coming around but it’s just unfortunate out 500 or so maybe 8 are good at dungeons. But one day I’ll go through and bring some in my keys and see if they’re good enough for some pushing
analog swift
io is pretty good indicator if who is good
analog swift
and if your pushing exp generally means alot
you can take 1K io players into 13/14s and do completely fine (last season at least)
take them into an 18 and they'll be getting one shot
something i've also done with guildies is if they fuck up I call them out. I'm not a dick about it but "dude you have GOT to but bop on cd before we do the witches cmon man you know that"
and then those people either 1) fix it or 2) realize they're bad and dont ask to be carried anymore
exotic spoke
Absolutely. But there are people in my guild who do one 11/12s a week and that’s it.
Their io score is decent but they don’t know m+
analog swift
yeah i generally dont take people in keys more than 100~ points outside of their io
because what happens is even if they're a good healer they'll get kill by powder shot from eudora not realizing you can outrange it
sand egret
the key to looking at io # of runs at the key level you want, imho.
analog swift
because they lived through it on 8s
sand egret
id take a 1k io dps with over 50 keys done than a 1300 with 10
unborn island
I guess the way we look at things is probably a bit different
you need to know the fights/dungeons so much more intimately as a takn
tank*
means that people at similar io score probably won't know the dungeon mechanics as well as you do 😃
exotic spoke
You can blade - I’m just saying it’s shows what they’ve done - not necessarily how good they are
unborn island
or at least that's how it seems to me, as someone who more or less only pugs
exotic spoke
Personally, I see zero issue with IO. It’s a tool for pugs, and a way to push yourself higher.
But just because I’m 2000 and say Theseus is 1900 it doesn’t mean I’m better than him
analog swift
yeah
exotic spoke
Hypothetical numbers
analog swift
esp at the higher ends it can come into who just got into better groups
exotic spoke
I have no clue what his score was last season and that’s not mine
analog swift
i was 2309 last tier and really anybody in the 2.1K range performed well
exotic spoke
And in higher numbers it gets really high really quickly. Since each level key you increase it by is worth a lot more than the previous one
willow scarab
But if Theseus is 3300 and i'm 1700 it means he's better than me
unborn island
I also thought
analog swift
(looking at last tier because it's easier)
exotic spoke
Yeah discrepancies that big yes. He is better / more experienced at m+ than you
unborn island
last season
exotic spoke
And in better groups
unborn island
if it was a Rdudu./Rogues
unborn island
their score was usually quite inflated based on their capabilities
more so rpgues
rogues*
analog swift
and thne 1.6-1.8 would be fine up til around 19s where you have to know the meta pul lstrat and shit
exotic spoke
Eh, that’s partially community perception Theseus
willow scarab
I mean you're inflated if you were a rogue/prot warrior/rdruid
But any players above 2500 are generally pretty good players overall imo
analog swift
from my exp
willow scarab
you don't time 20s being bad at the class/game
unborn island
I always thought it was less so as a pwarr
analog swift
rogue and resto druid more than anything
willow scarab
the only good tank for high keys?
analog swift
yeah prot was meta
willow scarab
of course it's infalted
analog swift
but rogue was necssary
unborn island
I was going to explain my rationale
exotic spoke
Yes, you’re correct. But if you’re pugging - just because that’s the meta comp it made other classes stupid hard to get into groups as
sick sentinel
what kind of buffs would devastator need to become viable?
exotic spoke
Devastator is viable for dps builds
brisk ferry
it would need to reduce our defensive cooldowns lol
unborn island
if you have a very good team, that might need a rogue to be able to do a dungeon, they are much more likely to pug a rogue...than to grab a random tank that they don't know
at least my thoughts 😃
exotic spoke
So if you don’t need more defense go ahead and use it.
willow scarab
That's sort of true
exotic spoke
But, it is the incorrect choice for defensive play
willow scarab
at 2500 you can't just grab any rogue, they need to know the routes and specific things
exotic spoke
For most people asking
willow scarab
but i agree pugging a tank is harder
analog swift
incorrect choice for offensive play in aoe
yeah sure but you'll have 1K rogues getting invited to 15s
willow scarab
You're not as bad as you make yourself out to be
Could definitely use some polishing / streamlining of your play if you wanted to
exotic spoke
Lol I know. Yeah I know what I’d need to do. It’s all a balancing act 😃
Right now my focus is on health IRL so less time playing -> means less time to change and adapt
willow scarab
That's always the most important thing anyway
exotic spoke
It’s mostly self deprecating humor. I’m honestly happy with what I accomplished last season. There is one major area of improvement
That we both know what it is
I’m bad in so much as I don’t have enough binds as I should* I’ll put it that way fumeiyo
sick sentinel
how is the devastate usage at 120? very often or almost non-existent?
unborn island
I almost made it to 2k, but I think a lot of that was just inconsistent groups, the couple of 18s I got into where people used voice/had a vague idea what to interrupt were very easy, always wonder what is possible if I had a regular group
sick sentinel
i hate pressing the skilll, feels horrible
exotic spoke
He means devastate.
unborn island
oh
exotic spoke
Like actually hitting the button
unborn island
my b
exotic spoke
@sick sentinel it’s a filler basically.
sick sentinel
yeah i know but how often
unborn island
I don't hit it very much, but I don't raid tank, in M+ revenge is almost always up
exotic spoke
If you can’t afford to spend the rage yet you use it. If you don’t have anything else to hit you use it
Rarely
But you should have it
exotic spoke
You use it less in m+ / dungeons imo
unborn island
apart from bosses (obviously)
jagged bay
hi have a nice weekend everyone!:)
exotic spoke
You too twinrova!
sick sentinel
can you do away with basically not pressing it at all during trash packs?
jagged bay
thanks! (:
exotic spoke
Can you? Yes.
Should you? No. You’ll probably still want to hit it occasionally
sick sentinel
damn ok, i just cant over how terrible it feels to press it lol
exotic spoke
Likely because of what shield slam / revenge / TC / avatar / demo shout do
sick sentinel
because its rng based and if you dont get lucky you've just done basically no impact on the target
exotic spoke
You do some damage
brisk ferry
you do damage
brisk ferry
with a chance at a procx
sick sentinel
yeah i dont see how that would feel good to press
exotic spoke
Honestly, if it did 0 damage, you’d still want to use it as a filler
Because what else are you going to press?
brisk ferry
that's my point, would you rather press nothing?
sick sentinel
how about a reworked devastator with a little more impact
exotic spoke
But in m+ you’d take Booming voice because 20% more damage to all targets
brisk ferry
I mean if the point is to rework talents, let's take a look at 90% of the talents, for every spec, for every class
unborn island
man, I'm so pumped that I'm going to finally do Mechagon this weekend and be able to get VoP
whole sun
hey guys! im new to protection warrior and i wanted to ask which essences are the best for protection warrior 😃
exotic spoke
VoP is the best defensively. And it’s nice.
A great starting point for any new prot
brisk ferry
so far it lines up fantastic with my Vial as it's usually up every ~45 seconds, so every other avatar gets a lot of str
unborn island
I can't wait to have one where I don't need to manually interract with it 😃
brisk ferry
regarding M+ *
exotic spoke
Shorter Cd now but still close yes
willow scarab
@sick sentinel You press it when you have literally nothing else left.
When you have no rage, shield slam is on CD, thunder clap is on CD
It's a filler spell for when you have literally nothing else to press. You sometimes use it on AoE because it can proc a shield slam reset but it's not used a lot. In raid it's used a lot more
analog swift
VOP also "feels" good
even tho im on the fence whether anima is better
it feels good to be in avy longer and get more of them
rather than one big boom boom button
lusty grotto
👢 🍵 👏 morning
sick sentinel
anyone knows what emissary is in atal before second boss?
analog swift
@sick sentinel none
on right side the pack in front of vokall has nother
the pack before that (before you cross the mini bridge) has the knock back
and then there is a knock back down below
hidden kindle
What trinkets are u guys using in Mythic eternal palace atm? I was thinking about using the cyclonic card and just blast dps but I also dont want to ruin my overclock card
analog swift
gorecrusted +ink pod
deep jasper
With a 430 shield should I use Undulating Tides or Brace for Impact for Traits ?
lusty grotto
BFI
inland mesa
why gorecrusted over cyclotronic?
inland mesa
I haven't gotten over a 400 block yet 😦
lusty grotto
still not as good for raids as it is in keys
inland mesa
I was using absorb inkpod last night just as they were highest ilvl and gave me some defensive, may go cyclotronic though as we were a little short dps still
lusty grotto
heh
i like the fact that the 3 bosses that drop decent trinkets are back to back this time around
radiance->ashvane->gorgonzola
though i suppose vision of demise seems... interesting
at 1min cd, but dunno
and court does drop edict
so basically 5 bosses back to back with trinkets
not counting azshara
because eh font of power is kinda mehhh
inland mesa
I don't like that ashvane drops both defensive and offensive, I don't know what loot spec to set and roll D:
strong forum
thats a bugged log
just look at the replay
the first 12 seconds of the log
are like 500% speed
literally just sped up
warm plinth
stark sage
you can edit the timeline in the upload, or sometimes it just bugs out. the log will get removed
exotic spoke
Ahh ok
west snow
Anyone know if the butcher's block trinket got stealth nerfed? It seems to either be bugged to hardly ever proc or got its ppm adjusted.
graceful cobalt
hi guys wich essenz i should take first
brisk ferry
check icy veins
graceful cobalt
i have the essenz wich Avatar than 50% rage coast back and the pvp essenz wich gave me haste
brisk ferry
graceful cobalt
i have checked icy veins but i only can use atm 2 so i would know wich two are the best
shut summit
graceful cobalt
Mythic+: Vision of Perfection in your Major slot, Memory of Lucid Dreams and Sphere of Suppression this i have but i can only use two so wich i should take
sick sentinel
My butchers block procs relatively often
warm plinth
@graceful cobalt What rank are lucid and sphere?
exotic spoke
Icy veins has the list lol
worn socket
Question: Freshly dinged 120, do I purchase the 400 Sundering Trinket off AH?
sick sentinel
do you have enough gold
worn socket
yes
sick sentinel
are you ok with spending said amount of gold
worn socket
yes
sick sentinel
do you have a better trinket
worn socket
Mmmmm Yeah I do, theyre like 415-420
sick sentinel
but do you have a better trinket
worn socket
Nah I do not
sick sentinel
- has gold
worn socket
Planned on getting mechagon trink
sick sentinel
- ok with spending gold
- has bad trinket
it is my expert analysis that you should, in fact, buy the trinket
sick sentinel
god speed brother
worn socket
Im probably gonna be coming in here with some newbie questions, so if i ask something silly feel free to tell me to re-read the guide on wowhead
brisk ferry
what's it missing?
sick sentinel
you can be a competent prot warrior from guide
but quirky things like trinket tradeoffs and such
it is missing
pro war guide is prob the best tho
worn socket
got a link?
brisk ferry
sick sentinel
^
warm plinth
It's also in the pins
worn socket
For the intro to Nazj questline, should I take the Shield or the 1H quest reward?
370 so aint much but it's gonna help while getting this initial gear until my friends hop on to carry me lol
warm plinth
If you don't have a 370 shield, take the shield
worn socket
Thanks
honest frigate
@sick sentinel The nuances in Prot warrior aren’t with proper trinkets/trade offs but rather proper play
You can complete any content with any trinket
sick sentinel
correct
honest frigate
The only time that trinkets can make a difference is in bleeding edge content I.E an incredibly high level key
sick sentinel
did i not say you can be a competent prot warrior with the guide
honest frigate
You said it had surface level things
honest frigate
Like what?
sick sentinel
prot warrior is a surface level class
honest frigate
🤔
sick sentinel
you are reading too much into what i said bud
basically if guide cant answer, ask here
better?
honest frigate
👍
sick sentinel
gimme a kiss
honest frigate
vestal edge
is the omnipotence trait good? 1.5 mil damage and healing doesnt seem like that much to ramp up to
sick sentinel
@vestal edge not as good as most other traits
Arcane heart gets significantly better with 3xBoM and a very high ilvl weapon
oblique garnet
Its still garbage
sick sentinel
True
buoyant inlet
since azshara's arcane missiles AND arcane jolt are both reflectable - what are people doing to distinguish an incoming arcane jolt? i dont think she shows a cast timer or countdown bar for this ability
vestal edge
need to get myself out of the blues and low purples on damage parses. prot warrior damage parsing feels so much more competitive bc people maximize warrior damage so much more. when i mained blood i was orange almost all the way across on dmg and healing
to be fair though i almost had bis azerite at the time
shut summit
its pretty consistently 3sec between each arcane missile 'pulse', so you can make a timer with WA to see when missiles is about to happen vs jolt
@buoyant inlet
buoyant inlet
@shut summit thanks so much thats exactly what i was looking for
dim blaze
How do you get Mechagon essence rank 3?
grand drum
run mechagon weekly for a while
dim blaze
I have 2x and have the essence to level 2. Does he start dropping the pieces for rank 3 once you have r2?
warm plinth
Yes, once you've got rank 2, the last boss will drop an item for rank 3, which you need 4 of. If you do hard mode, he drops 2 each time. If you do normal, just 1.
dim blaze
Thanks
west kayak
What essences do y'all use for ST?
sick sentinel
Crates are easy
shut summit
yea i didnt have oscillators either til today
west kayak
Crates?
shut summit
spare parts into crates
west kayak
I got tones of those due to Engineering. Can you turn those in for rep?
strong forum
no, you need em for buying the essence
warm plinth
Skyhold is the only class server I'm in often enough that I didn't cram it into a server folder. 👍
Also server folders are the shit. Great idea.
undone sun
DG for me
potent anvil
You guys didn't farm for 70 crates in a week? smh
sand egret
casuals
mental scarab
W8 how many crates so we need for rank 3?
Or is it only rank 2
That needs the shit
shut summit
40crates/15 oscillator for r3 alone iirc
onyx abyss
Thought it was 20 crates?
shut summit
r3 = 40crates and 15osc
lusty grotto
yeah and i do the WQ + 8 chests
i gotta check if im close to the 15s
then i have to farm for the dps one 😢
shut summit
rarely
umbral forge
Our Warrior DPS is being purposely hit by upsurge on Mythic Ashvane to charge Ashvane for the rage regeneration
smart play?
strong forum
WHAT
shut summit
depends on healers i guess but woulndt let that fly in my raid
strong forum
or ykno
lusty grotto
sense smash!
strong forum
walk out between auto attacks
shut summit
ye
strong forum
thats the actual play
west kayak
You can get only 1-2 Oscillators a day correct. Daily and random chest?
shut summit
think so
warm plinth
I don't think there's a limit to how many oscillators you can get really. You get 1 from the world quest and possibly 1 or more from chests. The drop rate from chests is super low though.
light relic
I got 4 in a row from 4 chests
I thought the droprate from chests was high af, so I didn't bother getting the daily oscillator for a while
light relic
ye turns out it backfired cause now im behind
arctic sedge
i equipped the one i looted from the boss hahaha
warm plinth
lul
sick sentinel
I opened 3 chest
THREE chests
to finish my mechagon daily WQ
2 of them had an oscilator
warm plinth
Big man on campus right here
frigid heart
Why do so many prots gem crit, is it more DPS and recommended after you have enough haste to 3xSB ?
west kayak
I didnt think Crit affected Crit Block, only mastery.
warm plinth
Crit doesn't affect crit block...
fallow saffron
Lol
weary thorn
Good thing nobody said that
warm plinth
😂
frigid heart
Maybe theyre wearing the boots, havent paid that close attn
warm plinth
It's because they feel comfortable for survival and want to do more damage.
sick sentinel
I have been gemming crit the entire s2
because parry
I was parrying necrotic stacks
I am parrying bleeds
warm plinth
Yeah it's good for defensive purposes (in M+ where the mob counts normalize the RNG a bit)
Don't feel like you need to gem crit though. Haste is also good both offensively and defensively and you can't have too much of it. You won't be wrong for having haste shit; the crit gem/enchanters are an exception, not a rule.
sick sentinel
Is null force minor not worth going for over lucid in M+?
analog swift
nah
sand egret
not enough magic damage overall to warrant it, imho
analog swift
trying to decide if it's worth swapping in after boss 2 in ML
sand egret
ML may have the strongest case for using it
analog swift
yeah
i used it during week 1 getting a 16 done for the weekly
and was super usefull
sick sentinel
the thing is
it's not about the magic damage prevented
it's about the damage done
analog swift
even for rank 2, teh defensive benefit is great
sand egret
they're intrinsically linked
sand relic
what dungeons drop the best trinkets again some 1 told me yesterday but i cant find the chat were i was talking i dont kno how to find past convos in the main chat
Cause my trinekts are awful
hard sigil
hmm is it worth 4 me crafting the 425 alch stone my alternatives are 440 briny barnacle and 432 punch card with yellow haste/crit and cyclotronic blast
hard sigil
so 425 alchi with punchkard or briny cause my thougt was briny is preety shitty :O?
mystic berry
IL on punchcard means almost nothing. Briny and cyclotronic are both great
Dont craft it
hard sigil
kkk
mystic berry
If you check raid logs you can see that top logs use BB and mechagon trintet. I would only look for crit/haste to replace haste/crit punchcard
hard sigil
ok thx
strong forum
i have invented a new word
its a combination of crime and revenge
i shall call it
cringe
strong forum
Thanks guys I'll be here all week
undone sun
😑
balmy narwhal
hey all