vital tree
Or it works like ignite
#protection
exotic spoke
Make sure the dot from the major power is finished before you use it again
exotic spoke
Nope, no extension as far as I’m aware
sand egret
consistency
exotic spoke
Feels bad... when the only other person who uses strength 1 handers hasn’t gotten one yet either. So we can’t trade yet
sand egret
rank 3 is what neck levle?
exotic spoke
60
sand egret
holy moly
sand egret
haha and here i'm looking forward to my first minor node
brisk ferry
same here lol
undone sun
% of mastery is the % chance you will crit block while normal block is active, it's also the same chance to block without block being active
sick sentinel
oh ok
exotic spoke
Not surprising. Island farms are a thing
Then math catches up and makes it damn near impossible to progress further
lusty grotto
undone sun
exotic spoke
hasty sapphire
Is it best to taunt after every Barnacle Bash at M Ashvane? or should the tank swap always be after 2?
umbral forge
Hey Thyme, long time no see
@hasty sapphire depends on setup from what I've been told. Gonna tank it tonight so can tell you what I learned after if you'd like
rare locust
i've tried 2 stacks each and seems to be smoother, but in heroic the bubble may force a tank to take 3 stacks, it's not really a big deal.
exotic spoke
@umbral forge are you still harassing Vic?
lusty grotto
#JusticeForVic
umbral forge
@sand condor
undone sun
who
sand condor
Ah
stark lance
How important is a good shield for tanking. I'm 430 and STILL using a 370 because nothing will drop
sand condor
Me
umbral forge
undone sun
very important @stark lance
lusty grotto
#JusticeForVic
chrome falcon
@rare locust you can always Zerker Rage the bubble
umbral forge
the most important
undone sun
only source of block rating, and block rating is the most important
oblique garnet
you cant berserker rage every bubble on mythic ashvane
lusty grotto
why zerker rage bubble when you can clap
exotic spoke
#LastStandWithVic
stark lance
reeeee
exotic spoke
Clappa
stark lance
Is there anyway I can get a good one in a more guaranteed fashion than spamming m+
sand condor
We last stand together
lusty grotto
👢 🍵 👏
chrome falcon
oh yeah sorry i just meant if something goes wrong you can bubble it, turn of phrase
exotic spoke
You’re welcome for that by the way.
hasty sapphire
pre use berserker rage or only use after in bubble?
exotic spoke
Either
chrome falcon
might as well precast it
exotic spoke
But might as wel pre cast
chrome falcon
but doesn't matter
lusty grotto
both
hasty sapphire
ok. thank you
lusty grotto
they both work
exotic spoke
Just get out of raid because it will still hit people
undone sun
👓
lusty grotto
hey i at least camel-cased it
undone sun
not going to lie
lusty grotto
#justiceforvicfromthenightbornemaleeww
undone sun
that's the first time i've heard of camel casing
sand egret
you're a camel case
lusty grotto
hehe camel casing is used in software dev
umbral forge
@lusty grotto you know Vic is nightborne male too right
sand egret
itsTheBest
sand egret
#vicDidNothingWrong
lusty grotto
#vicIsANightborneMaleTooPlsNotLikeThis
sand egret
#vicWasCorrupted
lusty grotto
☝
spice musk
How good is the chain to Jainas Absorb trinket and Uunaat? Have the Chain in 415 Uunat 420 and Jaina 400
The other Trinket i wear atm is the Pcket sized
oh and i have the rezan one 410
exotic spoke
For survivability there is a list on icy veins - which assumes equal Ilvl
spice musk
ya but the Bod and CoS Trinkets are missing there
exotic spoke
Are you using the haste proc, the stacking dodge, or the cyclotronic?
Well, because most of them will be quickly outclassed purely by Ilvl unless they get a god tier Titan forge
exotic spoke
What red card are you using in your pocket sized comp device
oblique garnet
jainas absorb trinket?
undone sun
prism
exotic spoke
I’d probably use that and rezans. If you think you need more survivability I’d swap the red card to the stacking dodge
Eh, if he’s doing heroic it’ll be fine with rezan and Pocket sized
exotic spoke
Yeah, and so is rezans
spice musk
ya but ist rezan 410 stringer than uunat 420?
exotic spoke
If you’re doing m+ maybe uinat. I assumed raid
For raid I’d say so. But for m+ uunat.
spice musk
in raid it helps a lot to on some bosses.
mh ok
And as long i dont have the dodge card no Device trinket?
marok said in his guide haste card= best
exotic spoke
Oh, I thought it was dodge. I misread.
Go with that. Personally I’d use that and rezans for raid.
Helps offensively too
spice musk
ok
novel temple
I’m actually liking using the dps on use from uunat
Im also using a heroic prism most of the time though
hasty nova
anyone know if blacksmithing the 440 items can warforge or titan forge?
brisk ferry
they cannot
hasty nova
😦
I got a socket on both legs and wrists
is that normal. do they always give socket?
hasty nova
I also got haste/crit and haste/vers both witha socket
yeah ok i guess i'll just stick with these then
exotic spoke
Mythic Ilvl - 5 but you get a socket. This is so people can’t instantly swap gear - like what they did in BoD
hasty nova
ah yeah.
well it looks like i pushed BS to the limit then.
I suppose i'll sell the rest of my osemite?
exotic spoke
Now you get to make money selling platinum whetstoens and storm silver spurs
compact spoke
Does reckless flurry trait work for protection warriors? seen a few with em on armory, not sure if its a bug or not
hasty nova
idk what else I should do with it
brisk ferry
@compact spoke it does but it's a meme parse build for ST
undone sun
yes it does
hasty nova
the co-tank in my guild got a 455 TF 1h axe from mythic commander last night 😦
paladin bastard
i got nothing, and nothing on my reroll
feels bad
exotic spoke
Don’t feel too bad gus
hasty nova
yeah no freaking kidding
exotic spoke
11 rolls so far. 2 440 m+ caches and 1 445 Azerite roll.
I’ve received two pieces of loot from raid 1 ring which was barely an upgrade and a trash chest piece
Sorry; 3 pieces of loot - counting normal boss loot
hasty nova
I don't know what is good for paladins tbh
yeah naga hide, i tryed to tell him force multiplier but whatever
brisk ferry
it should be force multiplier
hasty nova
Hey i saw everyone talking about achivement for VoP rank 4 cosmetic
what was the verdict on that?
you have to just do last boss HM with no deaths?
or all 6 boss on HM with no deaths
or no deaths for all 8 bosses and do all 6 possible HMs?
exotic spoke
You have to do hardmode mechagon (So all the bosses - 6 hard mode and 2 normal) without any deaths
hasty nova
Okay i did all HM last week but we had a few deaths
exotic spoke
Allegedly you need to have rank 3 first before you can do it
hasty nova
on the goo boss of all things
hasty nova
well we did die on last boss once while figureing that out
but honestly with a lil gear HM is not so bad as I thought it would be
exotic spoke
Yeah we had two wipes to king mechagon. 1 death due to a pug on trogg boss, and 4 deaths on Kujo because they didn’t get far enough away before he leapt
hasty nova
the trash to the boss on p1 on the top right side, the trogg king or whatevber. that trash is hardest part of whole thing
LOL yeah seriously that trash is insane
exotic spoke
Apparently if a DH dashes through the pool the HM bots leave behind they just instantly die
hasty nova
so funny we said it at same time
exotic spoke
Literally, zero delay. All same hundredth of a second. 30k ticks until he died
A hint we did that worked well - clear all trash up top first before engaging any boss. That way you don’t have to deal with the HK unit going to all three bosses
analog swift
together?
kind rapids
ye
analog swift
from what I know yes but you have to let both of their casts go off
if you're trying to put htem on one side or else it bugs out
kind rapids
ah ok ty
agile spruce
What essence you guys using to try and get some juciy logs with? crucible rank 3 as minor/major any good?
frigid heart
I dont understand why devastator is always referred to as a "meme parse build" if it does more ST damage isn't it just better on most fights in EP
rapid tide
Not really. Enables you to dump rage into revenge over casting Devastate while still maintaining damage.
Sacrifices dumping rage into IP.
frigid heart
yeah, so if you don't need more IP isn't it just better
rapid tide
Why would it be better than Booming?
exotic spoke
@frigid heart because you’re sacrificing survivability, taking fury traits, and some people use daggers
It’s no just more IP lol
frigid heart
what does taking fury trait have to do with it lol, more dmg = more dmg ?
exotic spoke
Because you’re sacrificing a good amount of survivability for it that’s why
frigid heart
ppl are playing deva on first week progress and not dying 🤔
exotic spoke
It’s fine to take it - but most people who ask about it shouldn’t be using it
exotic spoke
That’s fine - they know what they are doing.
And it doesn’t mean it’s correct
Are you the same person that brings this up every single time?
frigid heart
no ???
rapid tide
I mean it's quite simple. If it's worth it for you to sacrifice survivability for it and your raid is fine with it, do as you please.
frigid heart
I get it, but that doesn't make it a meme parse build
over half the ashvane prot warrs are running deva, the DPS check is intense on this boss, so it is just a good build
exotic spoke
Oh it’s totally a single target parse build
frigid heart
especially bc the boss does no damage
frigid heart
like when healers run cyclo trinket, they dont say it is a meme parse build. it just a good build if you need to reach damage checks on a boss, and ashvane is a perfect example
strong forum
i can see it happening that tanks and healers will start running cyclo in m+ too
cuz its just nuts
exotic spoke
I can see us not running cycle any more in m+
exotic spoke
I was running it for a while until ^^
warm plinth
I'm a little late to the party but @exotic spoke @hasty nova You should be able to do the achievement before you have rank 3 and still get rank 4 once you've unlocked rank 3. The rank is tied to the achievement so it's not like you can re-obtain it after getting rank 3. I would almost 100% guarantee you that doing it before getting rank 3 will grant it automatically once you've gotten rank 3.
strong forum
and in aoe its obv not a dmg increase
exotic spoke
But if you’re not using it on CD it’s inefficient
undone sun
Nopec @warm plinth
strong forum
on bosses you will use it on CD
rapid tide
GM statement on that was nope Ghash.
strong forum
so on tyra weeks its gonna be very strong
warm plinth
How would you get the rank after getting rank 3 then if you already had the achievement? That makes no sense.
rapid tide
But GM statement are not 100% anyways these days
exotic spoke
Yeah, I know Nome. But the other weeks it’s ugh
rapid tide
🤷
undone sun
You need to redo the achievement
strong forum
imagine being cucked this much
undone sun
At least the requirements
warm plinth
But if the flag is on the achievement, you can't regain the flag lol
strong forum
thats a huge cuck
warm plinth
That's stupid af. This whole essence system infuriates me sometimes.
undone sun
Its looking like it's not directly achievement flagged only
warm plinth
Oh you can skip ranks. Except nope, you can skip rank on ONE essence
rapid tide
I mean. Imagine there being consistency.
exotic spoke
Can’t skip to any rank 4 to be fair
rapid tide
That would be weird.
warm plinth
Well no but who gives a fuck about rank 4 anyway lol
rapid tide
But ye, probably no rank 4 can be achieved before rank 3.
And at least 2 rank 2s can be gained before rank 1.
undone sun
You can get achieve
exotic spoke
That was confirmed
warm plinth
They said that you can obtain requirements before you have rank 3
undone sun
You just don'tt get r4
warm plinth
Like Blizz said it
undone sun
warm plinth
That's downright idiotic.
rapid tide
Ye, I would not count on that being correct 🤷 I mean, it's likely to be.
undone sun
Basically already confirming, but also stating to do it again
rapid tide
But idk. GMs been talking out of their... posteriors here and there.
undone sun
This person did the achievemtn before getting r3, reason for ticket
exotic spoke
Can’t even get rank 3 until next week
rapid tide
Nono, I don't doubt you don't get rank 4.
They got rank 3 after? Then ye okay, bullshit 😄
If they actually did not get rank 4 then.
warm plinth
Wait, but did they get rank 3 after that?
Like I don't think you get rank 4 when you get the achievement if you don't have rank 3 yet. I think that if you get the achievement, then get rank 3, you get rank 4.
exotic spoke
You can’t get rank 3 until next week
warm plinth
Yeah guess we'll see. Hopefully that person updates us
But just irritating to see this, and then ticket responses like that
Like can you get your fucking company on the same page please
exotic spoke
“Some” doesn’t apply to vision obviously
rapid tide
Ye but what Ghash says is 100% valid.
warm plinth
Well, we don't know that yet. I don't trust GMs as far as I can throw them.
sand egret
such as PvP rating. vs Vision which is a conditional drop
warm plinth
We'll see when that person gets rank 3 next week
rapid tide
It's basically GM vs Twitter saying 2 copmletely opposite things.
So one is talking shit
As usual
😛
warm plinth
Well, and one is the devs, not what amounts to a customer service representative.
exotic spoke
Nah, they can both be correct because of the word “some”
sand egret
they're both correct
rapid tide
Yep. I would say the WarcraftDevs twitter is probably more reliable.
warm plinth
Yeah I mean, I won't be surprised either way
I just wish they weren't so fucking vague about some things
rapid tide
Then again they might just have forgotten it
Or menat that "you can work on some - but not all"
sand egret
both are saying the same thing: you need to have rank 3 to get rank4
exotic spoke
But your progress on rank 4 is saved for some essences
sand egret
twitter is saying that progress towards rank 4 can be earned prior to getting 3
rapid tide
Ye but why make it "on some" without either making a list of what you can and what you can't.
Or just... making it consistent.
It's just weird 😄
sand egret
How you get the esssence is important
PvP rating is different than binary achievement flags, for instance
warm plinth
Yeah like imagine being that person who worked their ass off to get the Hertz Locker achievement and now finds out they have to do it a second time lol
sand egret
definitely sucks, for sure but I can see exactly why it works like that though
rapid tide
I can't pesonally but I'm fine if it's the way it is 😄
Makes me happy we had a death earlier on slimes :' )
warm plinth
I don't care how it works. Like Aesri said, they should just make it clear which ones work in which way so people don't waste their time and effort for nothing
undone sun
Blizzard being transparent 🤣
sand egret
tbh, i always assumed it worked the way the GM said it
warm plinth
I would have too, if that tweet didn't exist
exotic spoke
Honestly, shit like that needs to be consistent and known WITHOUT having to look at ducking twitter.
They specifically said “higher ranks can be earned before lower ones but you need rank 3 to use rank 4. Paraphrasing of course
sand egret
if i did hertz prior to 3 i'd have to do it agian
warm plinth
Since getting an achievement is exactly the kind of thing I'd expect to be able to do in advance.
undone sun
🦆
warm plinth
Since once you get the achievement, you can't get the achievement again
At least, not on the same toon
undone sun
Aren't feat of strengths account wide
sand egret
see that's the thing: it's not explicitly linked to the achievement because it's gated by rank 3.
undone sun
Though I guess you can get it again on another toon
sand egret
you just have to kill the boss when groupDeaths = 0
undone sun
Right
sand egret
if you have the hertz locker achieve or not is irrelevant, back-end wise
you just happen to get both if you do it after you have rank 3
warm plinth
I know what the requirements are. I'm not arguing that it is the way that it is. I'm just venting about something I disagree with, if that proves to be the case (since we won't actually know 100% until someone with the achievement unlocks rank 3)
sand egret
is it confusing, sure. Should they have gotten in front of this, maybe. But in terms of messaging from what I can see they're being consistent
now, if that person can never get rank4 cuz they did it out of order...that's just a bug in my book
warm plinth
Yeah, well for their sake let's hope that isn't the case XD
sand egret
now that I think about it, this is basically how the warglaives transmog thing works. You need the glaives achieve first (rank 3 in this metaphor) THEN you need to kill Illidan on TW (hertz locker)
agile spruce
Guys what we thinking Vial at 430 or pocket-sized device with1152 haste red card and 169+56 haste yellow for parsing
manic cypress
Good Day my warrior brothers
Can i ask this helpful forum
a silly question
Does Deafening Crash stack for us?
modern brook
Only the damage
manic cypress
I ask because i'm looking at icyveins and it says to only have 1
so whats our BIS combo then
warm plinth
The difference there is that the achievement you get for killing Illidan specifically mentions that you have to have obtained the Warglaives of Azzinoth achievement.
manic cypress
coz it sounds like 3x deafening crash and 3x bastion based on wowhead
modern brook
Also you can tell what stacks by hovering over the center ring, numbers in green stack
warm plinth
3 of each is not a bad combination offensively
modern brook
Bis for us is 3x bom, 1x DC, 2x bfi for raid unless it changed
sand egret
in game, where other than on the essence itself does it say where to get the Rank4 essence?
modern brook
Though tbh just use your highest ilvl until you're debating equal stuff
manic cypress
yeah i'm using highest ilvl in general
3x bom 1x dc 2x bfi for raid
for m+ is it
3x bom 3x dc?
modern brook
It can be?
M+ has a lot more room for interpretation
And better prot warriors than I can chime in on that
If was a big thing for a while
Bloodsport is useable on motherload
manic cypress
okay
to have different sets for different dungeons is a little above my paygrade atm
i just wanna have a solid raid aoe , solid raid st and solid raid surv set
and maybe a m+ standard one that does good aoe
then again not alot of aoe fights atm
EP i mean
but thx for the info BF
warm plinth
You don't need to have separate sets. Bloodsport isn't mandatory by any means.
manic cypress
yeah
hey how bout essence
whats bis combo for essence in raid in your opinion
i'm running
Primary - Azeroths undying Gift
Secondary - Memory of lucid atm
warm plinth
Uhh, I know that I've heard quite a few good things about the Null Dynamo or whatever minor lately (rank 3) for DPS. Vision should probably be your major
manic cypress
vision for raiding?
warm plinth
If you don't have rank 3 dynamo, you can do lucid dreams minor or worldvein maybe
Yeah
formal vine
is it good to have 2 impasive Visage traits?
potent anvil
I don't see how that's a bad thing, so yes.
analog swift
can't go wrong with VoP+LCD
but dynamo has it's uses as well
in M+ I've been loving the damage of anima
but VoP does "feel" good
esp rank 2
manic cypress
still exploring bis for raiding
will look into dynamo - lucid - worlfvein as per ghash
Hey Ghash, wow head says :
Raids: Vision of Perfection Icon Vision of Perfection in your Major slot, Worldvein Resonance Icon Worldvein Resonance and Memory of Lucid Dreams Icon Memory of Lucid Dreams in your Minor slots.
any thoughts?
undone sun
IV > wowhead
manic cypress
my apologies
warm plinth
Well in fairness Thyme, IV says the same thing in this case :p
manic cypress
that was IV
lol
nono i messed up
let me see what wowhead says
1 sec
it says top t ier is VOP
warm plinth
But yeah, icy-veins is primarily focused on survival in that guide. Null Dynamo is just one that has recently started to shine as a DPS gain (and obviously a defensive gain as well since it's an absorb) but only on rank 3 since the other 2 ranks don't do any damage.
manic cypress
minor top tier is - memory / sphere / worldvein / conflict
wads wrong with azeroth's undying gift for surv
sand egret
nothing wrong with it. Somewhat redundant based on our kit.
warm plinth
Nothing; it's just not really something you should need. Other essences provide a more consistent source of damage reduction rather than a large one that you won't need very often, as well as providing extra damage. Undying Gift provides no damage and its minor is not something we should see proc very often.
manic cypress
got it
thx alot guyhs
very helpful
ready for this tier
just kill h azshara and m sivara in 1 night so i'm pretty pumped
i'm the only warr, dont judge my logs plz i'm also raid lead / caller
warm plinth
I mean, a kill is a kill
dusk locust
our guild's having a rough time of sivara but hoping to get it tonight
warm plinth
Idk how you guys held aggro off that boomie with 9k DPs though lol
Not trying to shame or anything dude but you have just an incredible potential for improvement. How did you only cast 5 avatars in a 6 minute fight man?
rapid jewel
yeah there are more important to focus on during sivara myth then your avatar, exspecially if you are raidlead and tanking that boss. Not a really tank friendly boss in my opinion.
warm plinth
I mean your rotation should be 99% muscle memory. I don’t think there’s any excuse for missing half your avatar casts
exotic spoke
Cause fuck that fight ghash. Lots of movement / a good amount of down time that adds up
exotic spoke
But are you going to hit it while you’re running away from something to drop a debuff?
Not saying it shouldn’t have been used more (it should) but there are times I definitely won’t hit avatar on that fight and wait to use it
warm plinth
No. But do you have that scenario happen often enough that you lose half the casts? Delaying the cast by 10 or 15 seconds doesn’t make you lose half your casts.
Yeah I definitely get that.
exotic spoke
I agree.
rapid jewel
5 avatars aren't "missing half your avatars" when he isn't running VoP
manic cypress
yeah no excuse hey from my part , i shared the logs knowing i'll get slammed
exotic spoke
Because of down time on a 6 minute fight - that definitely isn’t ideal
So maybe 1-2 missed maybe
warm plinth
I just want you to know dude, I'm not slamming you at all. Just was surprised to see that low of a number.
manic cypress
like i said i'm raid calling alot and even though its a CE guild every tier since EN Legion , i have to raid call alot
warm plinth
Like I said, a kill is a kill
manic cypress
i'm practically talking the whole time
exotic spoke
Thanks Obama
warm plinth
Fuck you Riki. I've been looking for a reason to say that the entire time he's been in here
manic cypress
i actually wish i can improve on my parsing
exotic spoke
Ghash - you’re turning into nim. Such toxicity!
manic cypress
but usually towards the end of the tier i get opporutnities to focus on parsing
when everyone knows what to do
warm plinth
Yeah, for sure
exotic spoke
Did System of a Down write a song about you ghash?
manic cypress
and it was a dps tax that i decided wasnt worth
so i went havoc in legion and now prot warr
exotic spoke
That was Britney Spears
warm plinth
LOL
lusty grotto
what the fuck is going on
exotic spoke
Toxic
undone sun
lunar jackal
Guys is it better to buy randoms 445s with residuum (since its start of patch) or wait for 200000 to buu specific?
warm plinth
We need to petition Marok to change the shortcut for to :Nimchip:
undone sun
cat stuck in microwave
exotic spoke
I SAID BRB CAT ON FIRE
lusty grotto
are you alinity
warm plinth
Gamble with the randoms @lunar jackal
exotic spoke
that would be awkward and pose a lot of questions
warm plinth
I don't think it's worth going for specifics for anyone; the cost is just too high
undone sun
:thyme:
lusty grotto
🍃
warm plinth
RIP :thyme: 😢
exotic spoke
lusty grotto
lusty grotto
:absolutegarbage:
warm plinth
Um, it was :literalgarbage: sir
warm plinth
I'm still curious why they got rid of that one but kept the haft one
undone sun
¯_(ツ)_/¯
exotic spoke
rapid jewel
@manic cypress For the future: Let your monk start, taunt at 6 stacks, after that you taunt 18 seconds before the next barrage and your monk taunts during barrage. That reduces the stress on your healers a lot during that fight.
lusty grotto
hmm weird that icy says to buy specifics
warm plinth
Wait, IV says to buy specifics?
lunar jackal
It does
lusty grotto
🤔
warm plinth
Where?
lusty grotto
MEREK!!!
manic cypress
@rapid jewel thx for the tip mate, can elaborate on that?
we just taunted every barrage
manic cypress
oh we actually 5 healed it for 20 attempts
switched to 6 heals
and killed it in 3
lusty grotto
btw the icy veins guide DOES NOT say buy the individual pieces
lunar jackal
manic cypress
any tank tips for radiance / behemoth?
rapid jewel
yeah, with that rotation your monk takes most of the tankhits, which he is just better at. Sure you create more buddles, but they arent an issue, since if you lay them down correctly, you dont get a stack from them.
lunar jackal
There u go there it says
exotic spoke
Huh, interesting
lunar jackal
Same
exotic spoke
The odds aren’t in your favor now if you go for specifics
lusty grotto
paging merek
exotic spoke
Unless shoulder
rapid jewel
radiance pump all your cooldowns during addphase AND ask for externals. Boss hits like a wet noodle, adds wreck you.
exotic spoke
@ bro @ him
manic cypress
@rapid jewel ah ok
any tips for splitting raid?
just even split melee/range etc?
any raid specific tips?
or is it really just dodge tornados and dispel quickly
we intend to 2/4/14 it
rapid jewel
1 balance per side helps a lot
lusty grotto
just cycle aoe stuns on adds and interrupts
manic cypress
why balance per side
lusty grotto
(nullification is good there too)
rapid jewel
8 sec silence help with adds
lusty grotto
yaya
manic cypress
for a guild that took approx 20 attempts for sivara
how many will radiance and behemoth take without vantus
just planning for our next raid night this reset
rapid jewel
behemoth is not worth vantus, radiance it helps out
manic cypress
okay , any tips for behemoth?
rapid jewel
behemoth is just figuring out timing for pufferfishes for you, after that he is down in 3 trys
manic cypress
timing for puffer fish?
manic cypress
u mean when to get the buff ya
lusty grotto
ya
manic cypress
yeah but we kinda just kill 1 at start , take the buff
dps boss .. 5 seconds before buff drops, we kill the 2nd one and take buff
whats there to figure out is sorta my enquiry haha
coz i'm sure i'm missing something that mr humtol knows
rapid jewel
yeah, dont get chained during buff taking etc. that can fuck you up. know how many multidots you need to prep the fish etc. once that is down, its easy.
lusty grotto
more dots
rapid jewel
yeah we let some people pre dot, specially on the second plattform with the fish in the behind you want it prep at 10-20% to have im ready if needed. Nullification minor is nice in the fight btw.
manic cypress
ah ok
thx for the tips
any suggestions on how healing CDs are assigned for radiance and behemoth?
rapid jewel
radiance is just add phase, the rest is easy to heal, the aoe does a lot of dmg, but after that you have 20 sec to get the raid up again. Behemoth the myth ability does some damage, try to immune it (with announcement) when possible. Cooldowns is more healer choice there
manic cypress
its correct to do radiance before behemoth right?
manic cypress
oh
interesting
did u guys kill behemoth and radiance on the same night?
how many tries did each take
empty thorn
I have a question that has been bugging me all tier and I can't find a clear answer anywhere. Does Reckless Flurry work in prot? Tons of high parsers seem to be using it, it sims like it works, but when I actually use it in game I notice zero difference in my autoattack damage
rapid jewel
26 for radiance, 14 for behemoth
but you should be able to cut that by 30% with your current gear
manic cypress
ok
lusty grotto
yes reckless flurry works with prot
warm plinth
It does work @empty thorn
warm plinth
But it doesn't affect your auto attack damage. It's a separate number.
lusty grotto
i swear
im kinda getting tired of the RF questions, why are people worrying about parses this early into progression
warm plinth
You really don't have to answer the question just because it was asked Nim lol
manic cypress
lol u guys
lusty grotto
in general
RF + Deva is slowly converting into the cookie cutter build and people don't understand its uses
empty thorn
When your guild is wiping on a boss and the issue isn't your death/healing requirements, it's either try to parse higher or go insane from boredom
lusty grotto
back to back questions since yesterday
warm plinth
I would go insane from boredom running Devastator tbh. Already bored watching people fail mechanics and you add empty globals into the mix?
Hard pass
rapid jewel
a lot of fighty in myth are more damage depended and dont need a lot of migation. Pushing tank damage in that case is "free" damage
lusty grotto
right
that i dont disagree with
like i said last night, there are specific fights that you need the additional ST dps
and i mentioned za'qul, but honestly if you're solo tanking za'qul you're better off with BV since adds
astral crystal
i dont disagree with tank dpsing, but if you're failing to kill a boss because your tank isn't dpsing hard, something's not quite right
astral crystal
also rank 3 essences demolished asvhane this week for a lot of guilds
lusty grotto
i suppose since those two fights you can push higher ST on certain events
rapid jewel
tank DPS matters Atticusw
lusty grotto
like shield break and fear domain
astral crystal
like i said, i don't disagree with that
but it's not going to be the reason why you didn't kill a boss
rapid jewel
yes it can, 5k dps difference over a 6 min fight are 1.8 million damage, that can make the difference!
lusty grotto
here's the thing though... and correct me if im wrong but i'm pretty sure parses don't count if you don't kill the boss
empty thorn
My attitude is if it doesn't negatively impact my ability to not die or be a problematic mana drain, it is better than not doing it
lusty grotto
regarding parses
and it just seems that most of the people here that ask about RF+deva are still progressing
lusty grotto
BV provides more rage, therefore more IPs, therefore less healer intensive for a progression healer, so why even bother?
empty thorn
I don't get what's wrong with asking if something works? Knowing more about the spec/mechanics is useful whether you're progressing or not
lusty grotto
we're just discussing in general
empty thorn
Even if you're not going to use it for every single fight all the time, there is literally no disadvantage to knowing if it works
rapid jewel
BV doesn't provide more rage ....
undone sun
it definitely does
lusty grotto
we've had this fucking conversation a million times
AND IT ALWAYS SUMMONS PARSEMONGER
warm plinth
I think his latest rendition was banned
undone sun
correct
astral crystal
lol
warm plinth
Plot twist: Thyme has always been Parsemonger
undone sun
😰
lusty grotto
👀
empty thorn
Just, like, I didn't come in and ask if I should change all my traits in every ring on every set of gear I own to RF. I just asked if it worked. I don't get what's wrong with wanting to know more rather than know less
lusty grotto
bro
we're not discussing you
calm down
we're just talking in general
we already answered you
rapid jewel
it really depends. if you use demo on cd, it does. But you should not use it while you are not tanking, unless you get your next ready befor your active tanking. If you use it wrong, one demo >>>>>>>>> 40 rage IP
warm plinth
Nim fucking as hell
lusty grotto
wtf that wasn't toxic
warm plinth
You're always toxic; it's your default.
lusty grotto
🤦
warm plinth
Wait, wait
lusty grotto
why wouldn't you use demo while youre not actively tanking
weary thorn
Toxicchip at it again
warm plinth
Did you just say you shouldn't use demo while not tanking?
lusty grotto
pls major
weary thorn
Lol
lusty grotto
notlikethis
astral crystal
based and redpilled
lusty grotto
😢
undone sun
using Demo wrong is if you already have near rage cap
using it while not tanking is not wrong
lusty grotto
i mean do you want AM to do something while not actively tanking?
demo =/= shield block
err
well i do use sb while not tanking to pump dmg
let me rephrase that
warm plinth
This is what I just read: "Demo provides more rage (with BV) than Devastator if you use it right, but you shouldn't use it right"
lusty grotto
demo =/= bolster
undone sun
lol
astral crystal
this is getting so confusing
lusty grotto
are you not entertained atticus
empty thorn
"Demo provides more rage than devastator if you use demo at all, but mitigation is for wimps."
warm plinth
lul
lusty grotto
its not over
astral crystal
i weep for this island
warm plinth
PR needs a new governor Nim. You gonna run?
astral crystal
only a matter of time until the mass decoheres into absurd bickering... considering the general makeup of ideologies that normally dominate the island's political representation and how incompatible and downright hostile to each other they are
rapid jewel
Just compared my logs with 10 different ones, just 3 had more rage with BV then I did with devastator
warm plinth
Holy shit, it just got real in here
exotic spoke
Dafuq did I walk into
vestal edge
does strength kind of suck for prot compared to secondaries and what not or is it literally everything like how blood is
wispy plume
Humtol. BV is a much better defensive option. It's a fact. It's not a discussion. Devastator is better for ST damage. Another fact. Devastator does provide rage in the form of more SB procs however on average BV provides more. Yet again another fact
You are trying to argue a moot point.
Shield Slam procs btw
Not SB
warm plinth
Defensively it's relatively worse than other stats (but it doesn't "suck") per point; offensively, it's good @vestal edge
vestal edge
better than crit or haste and stuff for dmg?
warm plinth
Uh, no probably not. I think it's usually below haste for me on sims, but it's about equal with crit. That would depend on your stats though of course.
rapid jewel
"more" is relative. If it is 100 rage over a 6 min fight, its not worth taking over the majority of the fights in temple. I would love to see a new sim (with new higher avatar uptime and different haste values) to be honest. I do play devastator, and I rarely have "nothing to press" to be honest. OK I run (runned) with a lot of haste.
But I assume its hard to sim with all the restrictions (Using non proc revenges when there is no Damage coming in or your SB is up and IP is capped and rage is over 70)
warm plinth
Sims are working for prot though. And essences are in the nightly build (not sure when they update for weekly but should be soon if not already)
vestal edge
do most wars with gear use devastator now? i remember it was dead at the beginning of xpac
warm plinth
No. Most warriors use Booming Voice because it's the correct choice the vast majority of the time. Devastator is the talent you use when you're trying to do more damage in a single target situation.
exotic spoke
No, they are using it for parsing purposes at the expensive of survivability
rapid jewel
Not true, devastaor is used for the majority in mythic raiding ...
exotic spoke
Because the first several bosses are a joke and the last ones are such a dps check right now they need every bit of dps they can get
undone sun
deja vu
warm plinth
Since when is mythic raiding the majority of the game?
exotic spoke
The bottom line is - if you want survivability and solid dps for a tank you go BV
If you’re ok with sacrificing survivability to gain dps you go devastator
rapid jewel
the rates of BV in heroic iseven worse then myth
exotic spoke
Because you tend to take a fury trait to complement it.
Because the people doing heroic just follow the leader and don’t understand why they are doing it for the most part
That’s the same reason the MDI sets lower tier m+ meta
While higher m+ groups do something different
If your healers are fine doing more to keep you alive then go for it.
But that’s what it entails
rapid jewel
the survivability is based on "BV generates more rage", right
exotic spoke
No
The survivability is based on the fact that you almost always want to take RF to go with devastator to really make it worth it
Sorry, I should say not just that
rapid jewel
that doesn'Ät make sense, so what is more defensive, devastator or BV (Let azerite out of the equation)
exotic spoke
Except you don’t - because you typically take, or last I saw because it incentives play to do so, multiple reckless flurry
And fine - sure. Even without Azerite - did you generate more rage? If so you are more survivable.
Maybe you got good luck with profs
vestal edge
i thought if u were in prot dps spec traits wouldnt work
exotic spoke
And almost generated the same amount of rage.
But I’d hate to rely on procs to get that. So it’s a little more inconsistent too
undone sun
RF's auto attack damage portion works @vestal edge
warm plinth
The parts that are cross-spec will work. You have to switch to the DPS spec to choose it on the piece (afaik) but it'll work in prot as well.
exotic spoke
What they said
rapid jewel
but you cant say BV provides more def, just because parser use non def azerite with devastator. That is like saying: My car isn't fast, becuase the handbrake is on....
exotic spoke
Further more - most of the people who ask about it - absolutely shouldn’t do it.
I can and it is factual to say that BV provides more consistent survivability
Because when you use devastator you are almost always going to go with reckless fury or other dps traits - which is fine you can do it.
rapid jewel
yeah BV is the noob pick, since its a safe rage generator, while you can missmanage rage hard with devastator
exotic spoke
Because it is consistent
exotic spoke
Because it is consistent. You know when you have the rage coming in
rapid jewel
doesn't care if you can manage rage
exotic spoke
You aren’t relying on procs to get shield slam for rage
Absolutely does
No procs feels fucking terrible
And it is something that should never be taken in m+
IMO
rapid jewel
no one talks about m+
exotic spoke
Oof
rapid jewel
and yes no procs feel terrible when below 40 rage, but that goes into rage management
warm plinth
You cast Demo Shout more when you're running BV too which is worth mentioning.
Which means more uptime on the damage reduction
exotic spoke
Because it is incentives to cast it again
Instead of prioritizing shield slam
For more rage / more avatar / more everything
Bottom line - you want survivability you should go booming voice.
If you want to do more damage at the expense of survivability (which may be excess survivability) then go devastator
rapid jewel
nah, you taunt + sb + demo in one gcd
exotic spoke
Lol ok man.
Whatever. It’s obvious you’re not going to accept it.
I’ve attempted to say the same thing a ton of different ways
rapid jewel
dont say your demo has more uptime because you get more rage from it, thats just shitty playstyle
wispy plume
At the end of the day its not worth arguing with him
warm plinth
I didn't say it had more uptime because you get more rage from it.
wispy plume
Facts are facts and argument requires him to have validity in his support and he has none
warm plinth
it has more uptime because you're using it on CD vs with Devastator you're casting Shield Slam more and Demo less
rapid jewel
show me a sim that BV generates "significally" more rage then devastator and you shut me up in a second
exotic spoke
Show me that it doesn’t. Theory crafting shows its more survivable
Burden of proof is on you
rapid jewel
where is that theorycrafting?
rapid jewel
no one yet showed some facts yet
wispy plume
LOL
exotic spoke
oblique garnet
devastator loses by a landslide
warm plinth
Yeah I actually already did that. BV won by like 300 rage
exotic spoke
It’s literally what Maroks whole guide is written about
rapid jewel
@oblique garnet I did, and out of 10 logs, the rage where similar, with +- 150 rage
exotic spoke
+- 150 rage isn’t similar
And you haven’t accounted for good proc rates versus shit. Proper play, anything
exotic spoke
Same essences?
wispy plume
dev i parsed 98 and BV i parsed 70
but you know what?
with BV
I had a SHIT TON
more rage
becasue BV was used on a prog kill for more IP uptime
exotic spoke
No one is saying devastator is bad
onyx vessel
Bv is better for burst dps
wispy plume
^
exotic spoke
we are saying it is for dps
oblique garnet
progress kills are also usually kinda scuffed
vestal edge
are the socketed crit benthic boots good for prot i got them yesterday
exotic spoke
^^^
exotic spoke
Always BV in m+
wispy plume
Riki I agree for sure
I am just saying I have two logs comparing them
on the same boss but fight duration is different
onyx vessel
Always scuffed
Like my guilds heroic 1st boss
She hit enrage and died by a healer only person left
Smh
exotic spoke
That’s a rip
Let’s see if keymaster can be completed this week
onyx vessel
Scuffed as fuck
onyx vessel
Not a guild run
Alot of stupid pugs
10 guildies 8 pugs
Operation mechagon is a joke now
Is it the nerfs or using all 3 buffs for whole dungeon
What made it a joke
exotic spoke
Both? The buffs are great. I’m surprised more people didn’t know about them
exotic spoke
Hour and 20 or so on Tuesday. Learning it.
exotic spoke
4 here hopefully. Why do you need 5?
Though I enjoy it
strong forum
Mount
I got it last week, but there's so many people to carry through
Guildies
Also if the helmet was 445 it'd be the best helmet in the game
Fucking DC+bom+op+IV
Fucking in-sa-hne
onyx abyss
And they look really cool
undone sun
See you when bfa ends
warm plinth
It's 8 yards @wild cedar
timber nest
I heard leech is good for protection
wild cedar
strange, maybe weakauras is busted or training dummies just have really tiny hitboxes
range check at 7 still not hitting with anima
warm plinth
Yeah idk. I was literally able to aim down the center of a group of 4 training dummies with focusing iris (the dps beam essence) and only hit two of them so I wouldn't be surprised if it's just the dummy hit box
wild cedar
well based on the highlight their hitbox is pretty small
but that just demonstrates the unreliability of weakaura range check
trying 6
warm plinth
Yeah lol, though it works better with players I imagine since in current WoW, all races/classes have the same hit box I believe.
wild cedar
k hit them with 6 on the range check
well player hitboxes aren't that much bigger
basing this on the highlight circle at least
warm plinth
You can't always gauge hitbox based on the targeting circle though
wild cedar
not a big deal, just a weakaura for islands
warm plinth
Oh just making sure you don't blow your load prematurely? XD
wild cedar
well when i pull the entire island
it can debatable when i should push it
can be debatable*
warm plinth
Yeah. So your WA counts mobs that are within the range or?
wild cedar
yea
warm plinth
That's handy
wild cedar
i had it made for blood of the enemy
but just made a copy for anima
y not
they added a lot of range check functionality recently it seems
doesn't seem to be super accurate tho
chrome falcon
Does anyone know how rank 3 Worldvein range increase works
Will MY shards have 12 yard range for anyone else using the trait?
warm plinth
They should. It says "grants you and any other ally using Worldvein Resonance while within 12 yds of the Lifeblood Shard"
rapid jewel
https://i.imgur.com/RTnIxeJ.png
removed the lowest two of BV, and the lowest of Devastator. Fight Radiance Mythic. Duration roughly 6:30. Not accounted: Essences (not enough data). Only compared SS vs. SS + BV, since VoP and Lucid tains the data.
difference is 80 rage in favor of BV. Thats 12 rage per min. Total of 2 IP, or roughly 100k heal (256 HPS)
eternal plover
Hi! This is kinda a general warcraftlogs question (for tanks mostly) .. does anyone know where and how you can check what type of damage you are taking from certain abilities?
warm plinth
Meaning like...whether it's physical/nature/fire/etc?
eternal plover
yeah
warm plinth
You can just go to damage taken and hover over the ability/attack and it should say in the tooltip.
eternal plover
Because our tank was saying that the melee damage he was taking on mythic Radiance from the big add was pure nature damage
warm plinth
That's because it is.
eternal plover
but normally.. melee dmg is physical?
warm plinth
Radiance adds deal magic damage, and they're not blockable.
eternal plover
well cant u still reduce it?
warm plinth
Via externals or damage cooldowns, sure.
But blocking does nothing
Ignore Pain works as well
rapid jewel
Spam IP there, parry works, call evternals and use shieldwall and demo
eternal plover
is a stamina build viable for that boss?
warm plinth
No. Stamina isn't going to change the amount of healing needed to keep the tank alive.
They still hit for whatever they hit for
eternal plover
thank you...
we can agree that Bolster, booming voice and AM would add more defensive value on that fight than actually building stamina
rapid jewel
nulldynamo (major), last stand, pot or GS should be used there if needed
sand egret
other than like flasking for it...not sure how one "Builds Stamina" outside of like...stacking highest ilvl, which is the move anyway
eternal plover
well yeah.. building for HP rather than dmg reduction
sand egret
but sematics aside, that's silly
if anything Never Surrender is probably better for purely mitigating that nature damage
warm plinth
😬
sand egret
but AM is going to get your actual Cooldowns up faster....so Heavy Repercussions is just questionable...
rapid jewel
also go am, you easily get two Demos out with AM during addphase
warm plinth
Also idk how in the world Heavy Repercussions helps anyone for anything
exotic spoke
Yeah - you take anger management
sand egret
seeing as you're going to get WAY more mitigation on that add via actual cooldowns. Demo Shout is huge for this
eternal plover
i mean.. he seems to be the only guy in the world using this talent setup for raids.. and yet claims that its the best
warm plinth
Well, he's wrong.
stark lance
What azerite should I rock for M+
exotic spoke
He’s wrong
stark lance
atm im runing vision and memory
warm plinth
Like...really wrong.
exotic spoke
3 BoM + 1 DC and pick two jbr
sand egret
like Charlie Brown trying to kick a football, wrong
exotic spoke
At least it’s not Ravager... right @lusty grotto
sand egret
swing and a miss
warm plinth
Those are fine @stark lance but those are essences, not azerite traits.
sand egret
honestly, if your tank is that off on the basics of mitigation....yikes
exotic spoke
Why is he going with that shit?
warm plinth
The fact that those melees are nature damage is the only thing he's right about 😉
lusty grotto
wut
exotic spoke
❤ nim. Ravager sucks right?
sand egret
it's a party
lusty grotto
50%party
warm plinth
50%party
lusty grotto
press F for yamo
sand egret
F
warm plinth
F
exotic spoke
F
eternal plover
I know... and since im dpsing in raids, he wont listen to me when i try to advice him to switch talents.. kinda a rough situation xD but when the entire prot warrior community kinda agrees, then i suppose he cant ignore it
lusty grotto
F @primal crypt
sand egret
oh he totally can
warm plinth
Just tell him to come here and show us that screenshot.
sand egret
in fact, it happens all the time
warm plinth
If he wants a lot of people to tell him he's wrong.
exotic spoke
He can totally ignore it and continue being bad
rapid jewel
and nulldynamo active is worth more if you only have issue with that phase. its a 250k heal + 60-90k shield during addphase
exotic spoke
^^
exotic spoke
Phew it’s not me for once
sand egret
if you're getting wrecked and not actively seeking readily available answers....yikes
eternal plover
i was surprised as well.. not gonna lie.. didnt even notice it until now (been in the guild for a couple of months now)
sand egret
this shit happens a lot
exotic spoke
He’s a mana sponge
warm plinth
Well, he can literally go take a look at the icy-veins guide and see that he's wrong. So I'm not sure where he even got that build.
sand egret
tanks suck, get carried by healers until natural gear allows them to get "tankier"
warm plinth
That's never been a recommended build for any reason ever
Even Riki doesn't use that build
And talk about bad 😬
regal verge
Probably a dumb question, but is your rage dump literally Ignore pain?
exotic spoke
I know right
warm plinth
Ignore Pain or Revenge, yes.
sand egret
the thing with tanking is, it's a binary experience for the user. You're either dead or not. It's a shitty feedback loop because you can still mess up and get your ass saved by someone else's good play and be none the wiser
rapid jewel
@regal verge or revenge (if IP capped)
sand egret
Revenge is your other dump @regal verge
exotic spoke
@regal verge revenge if you have the gcds and don’t need survivability - IP if not capped
sand egret
boom hit em with that triple ping 😃
sand egret
gotta make sure you get the facts!
exotic spoke
Almost time ghash
warm plinth
Time for what
oblique garnet
What in gods name are those talents
primal crypt
F
regal verge
Just never seemed to have the time to fit revenge in atm
oblique garnet
Everything
warm plinth
Yamo ❤
primal crypt
sand egret
It's the Crackling Thunder
exotic spoke
To go home, raid, and then see how much closer to keystone master I can get. That’ll mean I’m not bad right?
sand egret
scrub
warm plinth
Is it wrong that whenever we see the really bad/misinformed tanks, I hope that they're in a really toxic guild so the person who comes here to ask rips them a new one after we correct it?
I mean it's like I do but I don't
eternal plover
well its not a toxic place tbh, guess its just me
sand egret
I mean, i feel like those types of tanks are that way because that's just who they are
warm plinth
I like to be nice to teach them but sometimes the arrogance gets the better of me. Claiming shit like that is the "best build" when they're obviously clueless.
It just
sand egret
there are people who just believe they're right and that's that
warm plinth
exotic spoke
Fuck, I have an emote for this but I can’t use it cause different server
sand egret
esp tanks that don't converse with other tanks (like in here). When you're basically one of two people in your raid (generally not of the same class a lot of the time) there's not much discourse like there is with say healers or the dps
warm plinth
@shut summit Your distract at the beginning of KR ruined it for all of us. smfh 😂
sand egret
pretty easy to be the "big fish in a small pond" sort of thing in a guild. Esp since tanks are often needed/less inclined for turnover
at least they aren't affected by Sang!
warm plinth
Yeah, amen to that
sand egret
well @eternal plover , you may want to just suggest him talking to us (other warriors who've done it) instead of just telling him to do X or Y. I've found abrasive or stubborn types are more receptive to that. Once he's in here...we can do the rest 😃
eternal plover
well im a tank my self.. so i should be able to talk to him
sick sentinel
parry mitigates the elemental autoattacks seems smart to me
exotic spoke
But do you tank with him in raid?
eternal plover
the radiance thing i honestly didnt know.. i figured it would be like the mech robots in motherlode.. partly phys, partly magical dmg
no i dps in raids, tank in m+
exotic spoke
He may still be reluctant to listen due to whatever
sand egret
^
exotic spoke
Since you don’t raid tank. Since you’re a dps. Since you’re new....
Whatever, the excuse
eternal plover
well thats where we are right now xD.. so yeah im sending him this way, as well as to icy-veins.. which is apparently a necessity for our mythic raiding tank -.-
sand egret
kinda have to throw rationality out the window at some point with these types
the fact that you're in mythic doing shit with that abomination of a talent setup....props to your healers
exotic spoke
Shit happens mutomba. Hopefully he learns or maybe you get to tank
worn socket
Is devestate the ability with the lowest priority?
exotic spoke
Yes
warm plinth
Yeah, you basically use it when nothing else is available (or you can't cast Revenge because you might need the rage soon)
junior ivy
hi
exotic spoke
Hi catfriend
worn socket
What do you use a rage dump or in the situation where you "might need the rage soon"?
I guess if you might need Ignore Pain?
oblique garnet
Ravager on radiance?
warm plinth
Well if you need to avoid capping rage you cast Revenge
To avoid capping is the only time you have to dump rage
oblique garnet
My discord is actually giga delayed wth
exotic spoke
Sorry late - it was a joke. No one was talking about ravager
warm plinth
When i say you might need the rage soon, I mean you may need to cast Shield Block soon.
exotic spoke
taking seriously about it
sand egret
sounds like your discord...is Late.
worn socket
ahhh didnt even realize shield block required rage lol
im just always flooded with rage
warm plinth
Like if I have to cast Shield Block in 2 seconds because it's going to drop and I have 35 rage, I probably don't want to use the rage because I likely won't be able to get it back in time.
sand egret
:evil-kermit: or just risk it all...