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lusty grotto
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/ rolls

vivid sparrow
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I bought all 3 430 pieces last week and only the helm has it on it

lusty grotto
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unlucky rolls

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you can use either one

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but

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mastery is super devalued after you have 3x BoM

vivid sparrow
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I do have my 415 chest and shoulders that have bastion on them. But figured the 430s would be better

lusty grotto
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yes for the most part 430s should be better

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independent of traits

deep jasper
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Ive just dropped the chest from King Mechagon. Am I supposed to take Reckless FLurry or Clockwork Heart in the second row ?

lusty grotto
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what do you do the most?

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raids or M+?

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if you're a beginner you should never take RF

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that was not a discussion for you

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and also you do not take RF without Devastator

deep jasper
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I do the raid once a week I guess. Mostly M+ I suppose

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Ah I see okay

lusty grotto
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take CR

deep jasper
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Okay thanks ^^

lusty grotto
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either CR or clockwork heart are fine

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but defensively you're better off with CR

trim locust
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what major+minors is everyone liking for m+

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lots of VoP on wowprogress

hallow phoenix
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Vision major and aegis of the deep minor is what I've been using

trim locust
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but others say anima or luc

hallow phoenix
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Will throw in crucible or memory minor when I hit 65

trim locust
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thanks tusks

cedar nebula
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are the new engineering googles any good for prot? which engineering trait is best for tanking?

sick sentinel
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any prots streaming high m+ now?

buoyant walrus
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^^^ yeah I’m trying to find a high end port warrior streamer I can watch

sick sentinel
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watch nerftanktv or whatever his channel is called

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offline, that's why Im asking

inner bear
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i´m missing mdt so much sigh new week is so much testing instead of a quick plan and following it atm

formal rune
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What would deal more damage reckless flurry or brace for impact ??

lusty grotto
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this is why i dont talk about RF here

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people automatically assume they should go for it

sick sentinel
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take brace for impact to help your team succeed

lusty grotto
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what do you normally do? raids or M+?

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if raids, are you clearing mythic?

formal rune
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I have heard it before on a video. I have no issues in surviving at all and enjoy pushing the damage

lusty grotto
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RF + Deva is Single Target ONLY

formal rune
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We’re finishing this week in heroic and moving to mythic next week

lusty grotto
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no

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then im going to go with BFI

formal rune
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Yeah I’ve been using deva

lusty grotto
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its your sub, you do what you wanna do

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but if you do raids, rage gain will have issues

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with deva

formal rune
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I didn’t have to much of an issue last night with rage.

lusty grotto
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you will probably once you step into mythic

formal rune
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Got some good parses to all above 95%

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Yeah that’s true.

lusty grotto
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also BFI is really REALLY good for progressing organzola

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after youre done progressing perhaps you can try RF+Deva for pushing parses

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but i'm gonna recommend against it on progression

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go BV imo

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you can then swap if you feel you can do well enough defensively

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also

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RF+Deva is a no go on keys

formal rune
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Yeah booming much to good for those keys.

lusty grotto
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if you feel your raid team needs the ST to push certain phases in certain fights

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that don't nerf you out defensively

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you can certainly go for it

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on progression

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for example, it was amazing on Jaina for progression

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but that's the only fight on progression we kind of recommended it on

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or at least didn't recommend against it

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let say something like Zaqul

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mythic of course

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maybe even ashvane

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(even though ashvane bootyclapping while in briny bubbles is super good)

trim locust
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hey guys is there a discord for m+ key pushing?

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or people looking to get into m+

lusty grotto
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there are a few but very exclusive ones

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as in not for people that are just starting out

trim locust
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damn

lusty grotto
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what are you looking for specifically?

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people to run with? help with certain things?

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lots of us run keys here, and A LOT of people here are experienced

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so on the 2nd part we can certainly help

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on the 1st one, not so much

trim locust
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i want people to push keys with me

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without having to worry about whether im going to out dps them as tank

sick sentinel
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Man most dps I find in pugs are SO bad!

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Is there a M+ discord? To find good people?

oblique garnet
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Eu or Na?

sick sentinel
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NA

oblique garnet
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Dont know maybe

trim locust
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yeah i want a place where i can reliably find players that arent 410 ilvl pulling 10k dps

sick sentinel
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Hahaha I see so many of those!

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Even 420 ilvl doing less than 10k

patent charm
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Managed to fail a +2 the other day because i was, as a tank, out dpsing two of our three dps pugs

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I just

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Cannot fathom how

sick sentinel
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I’m not a fan of Raider.io but I’m forced to use it if I want a key done in time

warm plinth
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Alright boys I got a new weapon finally

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Not from a dungeon though. It took getting a weapon from a Mecha rare to finally get a semi-decent weapon (not really though because it's 395).

junior ivy
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hi

warm plinth
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/wave

junior ivy
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my friends were talkin about wanting to play wow today

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something about a metal band

undone sun
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ETC?

junior ivy
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huh

undone sun
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¯_(ツ)_/¯

warm plinth
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There's a metal band in WoW @junior ivy It's called Elite Tauren Chieftain

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It's where my Discord name comes from lol

junior ivy
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I think it was cannibal corpse

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Something to do with WoW and cannibal corpse

undone sun
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oh weird

willow fractal
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does the bosses HP go up or down by every person in the raid or every 3 people?

undone sun
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non-mythic bosses, yeah they should

willow fractal
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by every 3 people or every person?

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someone in this raid saying that its on every 3 people

onyx hedge
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hello, I read the guides, but I'm asking just to be 300% sure since I just swapped to prot this week, anything over 5 ilvls I just equip and only care about stat prio if its even ilvls ?

oblique garnet
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Pretty much yeah

warm plinth
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Correct. Even 5 ilevel upgrades are upgrades because they have more total stats. You can make an exception in the case of sockets on some slots but that's usually just gonna be rings

oblique garnet
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@willow fractal every person

onyx hedge
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ok, ty for the help, sorry if it was a dumb question, I just wanted to be super sure 😄

spice ferry
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Only dumb question is the one you don’t ask

buoyant walrus
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Should I keep my 415 edicts of faithless trinket or use my 415 briny barnacle trinket

warm plinth
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Edict for survival, barnacle for DPS

trim locust
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@junior ivy cannibal corpse singer used to play wow I think

sick sentinel
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how is never surrender for low leveling? below 100 without anger management

undone sun
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still quit a bit worse, it's not picked because bolster synergises with AM really well, it's not picked because NS is absolute trash

sick sentinel
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shouldnt it have gotten a buff with 8.2?

undone sun
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i don't recall seeing a buff directly to it

sick sentinel
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what a shame

waxen cradle
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Working on Radiance Mythic is it normal for the Stormwraith and Stormlings to trucking me through active mitigation ?

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and well CD''s such as of course keeping DS up and using other cd's as needed

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fight mainly seems like a joke tank damage wise and then add phase begins and the adds seem like they hit way harder then the boss

sturdy vigil
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you cant block any of the stormling melees or the stormwraith

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so yes

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normal for warrior

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rotate stuns and cds on u

waxen cradle
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OH really ?

sturdy vigil
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yap

waxen cradle
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Ah ok that explains it then, have the Edict of the Faithless so I would assume since I do not have better run it with the melee absorb for whatever its worth and use cd's

undone sun
finite gull
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@undone sun Do you have the link for that full doc? I remember having it bookmarked but it aint there anymore skyhold

finite gull
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Thanks 😄

oblique garnet
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Hm?

brittle owl
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isn't deva the dps talent and BV the defensive one 🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔

oblique garnet
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Yes

brittle owl
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🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔 "literally no one good is running BV 🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔

undone sun
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which is extremely subjective, bv vs deva on prog is a matter of comfortability

brittle owl
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well ofc

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but saying that people take BV only for dps is flat out wrong

undone sun
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¯_(ツ)_/¯

brittle owl
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when it's the other way around

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i mean, sure, i will. i like memes

oblique garnet
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BV provides more defensive value on form of on demand rage

sick sentinel
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devastator is for scumming and that's it

brittle owl
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optimising dps isnt scumming

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scumming is being a turtle in the middle of the patch

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🐢

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also za cool kid is the only fight i think where BV is better for dps in etp, for the rest it's deva

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well

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you were talking about 'prog'

sick sentinel
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do you guys ever look at actual top players or just the top 10 on warcraftlogs

oblique garnet
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10k dps

brittle owl
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prog implies being undergeared

oblique garnet
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Ok then bud

undone sun
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if you do 10k with bv

brittle owl
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and learning the fight

undone sun
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you're playing horribly wrong

brittle owl
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so being a sponge is usefull for the first kill, or until you get a nail on the mechanics

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and like the others said

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the dps delta between deva and bv isn't that great

sick sentinel
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Then why are people using double brm for prog

brittle owl
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it's noy like a paladin where you gain/lose a lot of dps because of sera

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brm pumps now ok

oblique garnet
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Brm with the polearm and right traits and essences does more than prot

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Every tank is pretty even on st

brittle owl
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point remains though, on progress you wanna make it as easy as possible on the healers and yourself, so you turtle up

spice ferry
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except probably dk lol

brittle owl
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so?

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are you looking at glimmerdins?

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they naturally overheal

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hps is irrelevant

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healing at the correct time is the relevant part

spice ferry
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basically every healer overheals. not overhealing is the sign of a good healer

brittle owl
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you can wipe a raid by doing 100k hps

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that's horribly wrong

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the overheal bit

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healing is a 0 sum game

spice ferry
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overhealing is doing more than required at a specific time. if your overhealing your spending gcd's on healing spells when you dont need to, gcd's that could be spend on dps, thus making the boss die faster

brittle owl
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^

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on the deva bit i think everyone agrees, it's a subjective matter, ofc its viable and if you play well it doesnt matter

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but you're looking at healing the wrong way

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completely

spice ferry
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neither choice is going to make or break your ability to kill a single encounter. the difference between the two isn't that great

brittle owl
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well you're looking at it the wrong way

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since it's a 0 sum game

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you can't quantify it by the end result

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or net value or whatnot

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well, yeah

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but real progress means you are getting slapped

sick sentinel
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ppl act like every point of dps is precious and defense doesnt matter as long as you dont die. but the truth is your dps probably doesnt matter either on any given pull. it's not a good argument

brittle owl
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that is actually correct, the fact that the last two tiers have been irrelevant in terms of tank damage is a 'coincidence'

oblique garnet
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Imagine doing 22k dps on st with bv and 23.5k with devastator

brittle owl
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^

oblique garnet
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Huge difference

brittle owl
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deva is a marginal gain

oblique garnet
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You get more value out of your trinket choices

brittle owl
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👀

oblique garnet
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Hows the bench life on storm ?

brittle owl
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i mean, this is just namecalling at this point, it's legit retarded

oblique garnet
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Guess that explains why the boss hasnt died yet 8)

sick sentinel
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Are we taking this guys word for his pro prot play or is he going to link some 100 parses

mortal carbon
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press X

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for doubt

oblique garnet
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You werent rank 1 us prot

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Pumps was

brittle owl
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lmao

jade socket
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$pb @timid jay

sick sentinel
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🤔

turbid robinBOT
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Done.

brittle owl
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link logs bruh

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oof

mortal carbon
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uh

brittle owl
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why

oblique garnet
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Everytime

brittle owl
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the show was just getting started

sick sentinel
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what happened

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Where he go

jade socket
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Reminder that he’s been lobbed over 10 times

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From his guilds and skyhold

sick sentinel
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Does that mean he’s better than us

undone sun
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🤣

agile vessel
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if you play triple RF for dps parses on prog as a tank you need to be nuked.

sick sentinel
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Because after his convincing testimony I am convinced he is much better than all of us

sweet summit
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But then the boss dies faster skyhold

sick sentinel
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Just get fume's sim

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31k dps

willow scarab
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Someone else summed highest

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Higher

oblique garnet
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You actually simming 31k?

willow scarab
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That was with one RF too

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31.5

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Someone else linked a 31.7

oblique garnet
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Oh damn

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Link

brittle owl
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shit

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that was monger

sick sentinel
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Benthic though

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And rf

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You lose a lot

willow scarab
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Glick has the bigger sim

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Link his

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I think he has full bis benthic

void berry
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Hey mates :)
So, first tries on Radiance last night. Those adds during P2 are shredding me so hard 😮

sick sentinel
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i have puffer instead of frost blast bracers

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felt really bad

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@void berry you can't block there

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Interrupts, stuns, fears on the small ones

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And spam ignore pain

void berry
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Ok ok.

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It makes no sense....

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Blizzard must hate us

willow scarab
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If you just interrupt and rotate cc properly they won’t hit you

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Tell dps to turn brain on

void berry
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Will try that

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But you know DPS :kappa:

sick sentinel
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Yeah honestly just coordinate mass stubs and ez clap

willow scarab
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Ask if they wanna kill the boss or not

sick sentinel
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Can SR If lightning gets off

willow scarab
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And then tell them they don’t kill it without add control

sick sentinel
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I’ve seen some guilds using second pots there to just absolutely burn the adds

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Not a strategy I agree with but can happen

willow scarab
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It makes sense for guilds who are struggling on radiance

gentle sequoia
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Wait, you can't block auto attacks from those adds?

dusky summit
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are anodized deflector braccers good?

worn vine
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i heard drama was here

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bear reporting in shieldcucks back off

mortal carbon
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too slow

worn vine
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whats thyme being toxic

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was*

brittle owl
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parsemonger was just passing by

undone sun
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🗞 @worn vine

sick sentinel
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I am US rank 1 bear

brittle owl
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sounds gay tbh

rough forge
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That's why he needs protection

sick sentinel
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Play cat form the whole fight during prog it is objectively better

brittle owl
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ayyyyy

sick sentinel
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Do more damage boss die

worn vine
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@undone sun vel

undone sun
willow scarab
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You guys really hate doing damage don’t you

sick sentinel
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look fam

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when we're pulling ashvane

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I am not allowed to press avatar for the first 20 seconds of the fight

rough forge
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That's dumb

sick sentinel
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because I steal aggro

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I even stopped pushing buttons

rough forge
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well tell your co tank to do more dps

willow scarab
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Why isn't the warrior tank pulling with tricks/md

rough forge
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and get good

sick sentinel
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because the DK wanted to pull

willow scarab
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and also the fight is such a huge dps check

rough forge
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DK dps if done right is very potent

sick sentinel
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because I was not placing the first bash properly

willow scarab
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imagine not playing offensive

rough forge
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u taunt start smacking and leap to the wall

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she hits u and places it right on the wapp

willow scarab
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charge taunt shield slam heroic leap wall

rough forge
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???

willow scarab
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we're all doing it

rough forge
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Smg kaege

sick sentinel
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exactly what I was doing

rough forge
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smh*

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well DK is worse at that

sick sentinel
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it's stupid

brittle owl
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dk

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more like budget dh

sick sentinel
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I will try to make him let me start this week

rough forge
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You better, lots of dps lost if ye dont

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Just do the leap to the wall thing right

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and u gucci

willow scarab
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you use avatar when the boss is on the wall too

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no more charge avatars

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i'm using inkpod for ashvane

rough forge
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use the blast thing

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blast trinket

willow scarab
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imo only use one dps trinket for it

rough forge
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what r u using

willow scarab
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so i think inkpod is more value

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since it happens during the important push

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and you can lazer blast the hardened shell for 0 value

rough forge
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Well yeah, what other trinkets u using

willow scarab
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edict set to magic damage

rough forge
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blasting shell is still dmg

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gotta break the shell to kill

willow scarab
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we're 25 pulls in at 35%

rough forge
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do u have lvl 3 dynamo

willow scarab
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yeah i got it last week

sick sentinel
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I am missing like 3 oscilators

willow scarab
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and made everyone want to go get it

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by showing my sim with it

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i can't believe they let it do so much damage

edgy abyss
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What's Dynamo?

rough forge
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all u need, try going with ur max pump build and adjust your play accordingly if you feel unsafe not the other way around

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Im sure u can manage just fine, highly skilled so no problem

sick sentinel
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what kind of hps are you getting from ur edict

edgy abyss
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Isn't crucible good for dps?

rough forge
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crucible main

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dynamo lvl 3 minor

edgy abyss
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Yea it does so much dmg

rough forge
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Mhm

willow scarab
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let me go look it up for you

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oh wait i lied i took it off for inkpod and kept the diamond on

sick sentinel
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im using diamond and everchill but my anchor is 425 with a socket 😌

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big oof

willow scarab
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big play for sure

rough forge
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inkpod on that fight is so good

willow scarab
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i'm banking entirely on the inkpod for our final push since we go hardest in the second shield break

rough forge
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U get so many stacks

sick sentinel
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how long until we're a crit vers class like monks pepsihands

edgy abyss
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How do you get Dynamo mecha reputation?

rough forge
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not long, crit Is already the best

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vers scales well with crucible so probs up there

edgy abyss
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Don't we need haste tho?

brittle owl
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vers is such a boring stat though

sick sentinel
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only dps matters naeno

rough forge
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stats aint gonna make much of a difference survival wise

willow scarab
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say that to my leech/vers only build

brittle owl
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stats don't matter in the grand schems of things

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oh, yeah, mb

brazen trail
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EHRPS is the stat tbh

brittle owl
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i forgot about the way a tank should be played

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to be

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lEsS HeAlEr ReLiAnT

willow scarab
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I safeguard my co-tank to reduce overall damage and then spam IP overcap to get more hps

brittle owl
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r1 hps logs when

willow scarab
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40% vers

rough forge
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yeah high heal logs = youre doing something bad

brittle owl
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no

rough forge
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which is the opposite of what y'all think

willow scarab
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high hps = doing something right

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tanking isn't about damage

rough forge
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nah

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mitigate

brazen trail
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EHRPS = better than good dmg

brittle owl
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you're actually winning the game

brazen trail
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tbh

brittle owl
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thru the backdoor

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it's the secret ending

brazen trail
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Less healing required and healers can focus dps and so on

brittle owl
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the cow level

rough forge
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SB, get low dtps and don't heal much

pulsar canopy
brittle owl
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if you also use a staff

willow scarab
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I'm a bad tank according to a certain moderator of this discord though

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So what do I know

rough forge
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I wonder who

brittle owl
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then you actually just straight up win blizzcon

brazen trail
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who is that

agile vessel
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Just run triple RF and claim youre a god tank because of all star dps points, the true baboon play

sick sentinel
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rf and devastator with the attack speed axe 🙌

willow scarab
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I like the tanks who can play defensive or full hybrid for prog and then go get rank 1s on farm because they understand the class and loggign as well as prog

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Tanks who play the same on farm and on prog are boring players

brazen trail
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tru tbh

willow scarab
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Always people on low ranks even on farm that rag out fun builds like RF

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Is there any reason to not go get a 100 on farm?

brazen trail
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Rather have a tank on prog who focuses on staying alive & position of boss rather than his own dps

brittle owl
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wait how is optimising dps baboon play lmao

willow scarab
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Yeah that's prog

sick sentinel
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"optimizing" "dps"

oblique garnet
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Prog and farm are 2 different playstyles

fathom hollow
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@willow scarab who was it

brittle owl
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well yeah

willow scarab
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But then also big brain to understand that you only need 1 defensive trinket on ashvane and can use inkpod

fathom hollow
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🐀 them out

willow scarab
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I messaged them directly and they chose not to respond so instead i'm just accepting my new identity as a bad player

sick sentinel
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if my inkpod doesnt crit i wipe the raid

brazen trail
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big brain is to get a dps trinket so you can trade your inkpod to a dps player

fathom hollow
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give name 😠

rough forge
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Inkpod can crit

pulsar canopy
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thats the spirit @sick sentinel

brazen trail
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Yes

rough forge
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use coral

brazen trail
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indeed it can

pulsar canopy
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no parse no kill

rough forge
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100% cirt inkpod

remote wadi
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Coral doesn't stack that high

rough forge
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it does on ashvane

remote wadi
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that fast

rough forge
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and that's where it counts big time

willow scarab
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ashvane is 8 minute fight

brittle owl
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for now

rough forge
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u get big stacks

sick sentinel
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i think the idea on ashvane is more than 70% of the fight happens above 30% so you get more value. other reasons are memes

willow scarab
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inkpod gets worse with the tier progressing

brittle owl
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gonna be 5 mins mid tier probs

willow scarab
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as we get more gear the trinket gets shitter

sick sentinel
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plus it wont crack during shield

brazen trail
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But what if you burn boss below 30% before last shield phase pepsihands

rough forge
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obv glick

willow scarab
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Who does that

sick sentinel
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im not a maths person but it probably still works out

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maybe not idk

willow scarab
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Which guild in the world gets below 30% within 2 shields

brazen trail
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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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We did

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A few times last night

willow scarab
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link the log

brazen trail
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private

rough forge
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a guild with tanks that do good dps

remote wadi
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It can happen

willow scarab
#

screenshot proof

remote wadi
#

especially with Rocky rank 3

brazen trail
#

Ehh, wouldn't really say that

jade socket
#

We got to 27% tonight

willow scarab
#

in 2 shields

#

on mythic

#

someone link a log

remote wadi
#

Yes

rough forge
#

vision pumps, top 5 speed on a lot of stuff

agile vessel
#

its 100% possible with everyone unlocking r3 clfbtw this week

remote wadi
#

Just because you're in a bad guild doesn't mean it can't happen

jade socket
#

Pretty sure you can kill boss in the right group and timing stuff correctly

#

On 2nd exposed

willow scarab
#

What do you mean I'm in a bad guild

brazen trail
#

Not at all

#

We had 27% pull on 2nd shield

remote wadi
#

Literally look at Vil's link lol

sick sentinel
brazen trail
#

Other tank at 22.8k and other at 11k

#

3rd tank aka the soak tank was at 12.8k

brittle owl
#

that dk name

#

priceless

#

the real mvp

sick sentinel
#

@willow scarab they mean you're alliance

willow scarab
#

2 alliance guilds on my server are top 25 world

sick sentinel
#

yes, it's a joke

willow scarab
#

i'm still caught up with htis log

#

that's insane

oblique garnet
#

rocky rank 3 is huge

willow scarab
#

what is rocky rank 3

oblique garnet
#

clf

sick sentinel
#

rockrock

willow scarab
#

Crucible of flame = clf or rocky

#

somehow?

sick sentinel
oblique garnet
#

Condenced Life force rank 3 helps with the dps push on ashvane

#

Thats what i meant

willow scarab
#

ohhh true

#

that makes sense

#

I fully expect to kill it this week and maybe orgozoa with the new clear of gear

sick sentinel
#

if you use font of power+BL and THE ROCK

#

you burst insane amounts of damage

willow scarab
#

our first raid of the week is in an hour

sick sentinel
undone sun
#

irrelevant regardless of standing

#

including overall parses helps but overall it's a flawed and meaningless statistic that got flak as soon as it was posted by kihra

timid jay
#

It's good bait though

sick sentinel
#

🤔

undone sun
#

without a doubt

brittle owl
#

hey look it's a noxxic ranking

marble cipher
#

Statistics can prove everything!!!

#

😄

brittle owl
#

heard that was a good site

rapid tide
undone sun
#

🤣

sick sentinel
#

i find it concerning that our spec is populated by players rushing to an early grave ahead of the other specs

undone sun
#

well dont

timid jay
#

It's been the case for a long while

undone sun
#

none of your concern

quick yarrow
#

Hey all , what are your thoughts about Edicts trinket ? also any good WA to track it ?

timid jay
#

Average wow player is kinda shit, just look at lfr

rapid tide
#

Not that great. Wago probably has sth @quick yarrow

vital tree
#

Look at it this way: we’re so cool that all the scrubs play us and die to make us look bad

#

Urrrh

#

I mean, buff us, obviously we are the worst spec

stark ruin
#

Let's roll back the tc nerf

#

And on fortified weeks everybody will run 4 prot+ resto druid groups in m+

sick sentinel
#

4 prot+mw

#

for the 5%

vital tree
#

M+-related question, just so that I’m not wrong

#

It’s still worth to NOT buff fortitude during grievous weeks, right?

sweet kettle
#

to not do what?

vital tree
#

Considering the grievous bleed ticks for % of max hp

#

I know in previous seasons some groups agreed to not buff fortitude to make the tick practically be 10% less effective

undone sun
#

yeah, i'd guess if you wanted to min/max

vital tree
#

Was the same for bursting, but I believe they changed that to be a set amount, not %-based now

sick sentinel
#

it's still %

sweet kettle
#

i never had an issue with grievous

rapid tide
#

Never even considered that. I guess you could.

sweet kettle
#

if you do then find a proper healer

rapid tide
#

I still take higher base health over that.

vital tree
#

Usually I don’t, but I give that tip to healers if they’re really struggling

oblique garnet
#

Dont take priest healers on grievious week problem solved

undone sun
#

ez

rapid tide
#

I doubt it will be a big help if your healers are struggling already but +1 for a good attempt 😄

vital tree
#

Had a priest in UR11 last night that must have sweated bricks trying to keep us up

oblique garnet
#

90% of the playerbase doesnt know about scrolls

sick sentinel
#

OR SHAMANS

undone sun
#

definitely not huge difference

rapid tide
#

Shamans :' )

vital tree
#

:’)

sick sentinel
#

drops spirit link
everybody has grievous now

rapid tide
#

Sharing the love.

undone sun
#

ez

vital tree
#

300IQ plays

sweet kettle
#

what are those priests and shamans you guys speak of?

timid jay
#

Remember to use last stand inside spirit link

undone sun
#

make sure to pop Last stand while that spirit link goes off

#

damnit

#

cosmo

timid jay
#

:^)

rapid tide
#

tbf, ran several keys with disco and it's really fine if they know their shit.

vital tree
#

I dont have the best 3rd ring traits for grievous either tbf

sweet kettle
#

yeah and 9/10 discs dont know their shit

rapid tide
#

:' )

#

Sadly that's more of the issue.

vital tree
#

One of the ones that buff hp per enemy around, and one that drops the hp increase puddle

#

I should run anima minor too

#

Then pop last stand

undone sun
#

all the hp

sick sentinel
#

rally

rapid tide
#

If you are not hitting 700k grievous is just not even fun.

sick sentinel
#

last stand

#

anima

#

poof

#

bam

#

pow

timid jay
#

Does rally and ls still share cd?

rapid tide
#

What.

vital tree
#
  • stronger together and the puddle of hp
rapid tide
#

When did it do that Cosmo? 😄

timid jay
#

Beta

#

Last time I played prot

#

xd

rapid tide
#

😄

oblique garnet
#

just bring pala healers

vital tree
#

XD

oblique garnet
#

Druids are useless anyways

rapid tide
#

tbf atm I feel about 90% better with a MW over a Druid.

undone sun
#

ooof

rapid tide
#

Might be skewed by our MW being > our Druid but I guess.

timid jay
#

Druids are useless

#

Shut down dg

rapid tide
#

But MW with Crane is just quite pepega atm.

vital tree
#

You’ve played with Vel too much Late

sick sentinel
#

MW on bursting is monka

oblique garnet
#

nah

#

Paladins are actually giga this season

#

can sustain alot longer and do way more damage than any other healer

sick sentinel
#

they don't use mana

#

like straight up

vital tree
#

Well duh

#

They use the LIGHT

#

Struggling to find decent m+ groups on alliance tbh

#

... the fact that I «restarted» my warrior as a Kul Tiran didn’t help either, nobody believes my r.io was 1.7k last season

rapid tide
#

😄

vital tree
#

Unifaction 9.0 pls

rapid tide
#

We mostly go as 3 atm with Assa/Prot/MW.

fallow knot
#

World of peacecraft? Cmon now

rapid tide
#

Just "boosting" people's 11/12 key in group finder

#

And by that you tend to find decent players here and there

#

Add them to your FL.

#

Make a pool of players to fall back on.

#

🤷

#

Worked every season thus far.

vital tree
#

Yeah, slowly starting my pool

#

Can’t rely on @oblique garnet to smash me through higher keys like last season 😭

oblique garnet
vital tree
#

Have any of you an idea on how to tweak the friends list in-game?

#

Rn it shows me Online Favourites > Offline Favourites > Online regular > Offline regular

#

Which is annoying, because it literally fooled me for 3 weeks into thinking I only had 3-4 friends online at the time

#

Since the offline favourites hid the online regular friends below them

rapid tide
#

There's an addon for it... lemme check.

#

Sadly it broke with 8.2

#

:' )

vital tree
#

Well that’s useful :’)

rapid tide
#

ye just read it 😄

#

Not using it as our rogue is managing the big FL :' )

#

I can ask him what he is using atm, sec.

vital tree
#

I found that you could check an option to hide all offline friends in the bnet launcher friends list

#

But couldn’t find anything in-game, and I swear on my heart my friends list didn’t look like this pre- 8.2

#

Hence why it fooled me into thinking nobody was online for the patch for so long

rapid tide
#

Mhm, Rogue says Friend Groups is still working for him.

#

So just use that then :' )

vital tree
#

Aight, @vital tree

#

So that I can find it on my computer later 😛

craggy bay
#

Hey guys, is there anny way to pinpoint what spells are reflectable?

#

Maybe an addon or WeakAura that helps?

rapid tide
#

Ingame? No.

vital tree
#

Most Wowhead guides for warriors tell you which spell is reflectable in dungeons

rapid tide
#

there is a weakaura for it but I think it's broken in 8.2

#

"Spell Reflection Tracker"

craggy bay
#

Ah thanks! ill check that out

rapid tide
#

yw

#

I can have a look at the reflection tracker later at home if I don't forget it and see if I can fix it quickly.

undone sun
#

what's broken about it

rapid tide
#

No idea, not using it, comments just say it's broken

#

🤷

#

Might just be commenters being dumb.

umbral forge
#

My guild's old main tank was kicked yesterday 😢

rapid tide
#

Hu, how come?

sick sentinel
#

the one who pressed shieldblock once in an entire fight?

#

or the one who was turning his back to stagger more damage and get more hps

rapid tide
#

🤔

undone sun
#

lol

stark ruin
#

why waste rage on shield block when you can spam revenge?

rapid tide
#

Smart.

sick sentinel
#

the dk that was pressing deathstike for more dps instead of pooling resources was on a different guild, right?

umbral forge
#

be me
feel like he's taking a lot of damage for a brewmaster
go to peak of serenity to paste his logs
they tell me he has no fucking clue what he's doing, author of TankNotes tells me to bench him and get an alt to tank who knows how to play the game
"Well okay"
Dude he is turning his back to stagger more damage and get more HPS
Ok
We bench him
We invite him for a chat and we just tell him "Hey, we're benching you til you learn your class and start to play the game, you haven't done your islands for 4 weeks, haven't done a m+ since reaping was a thing and we're quite fed up"
He's like "Yeah ok"
we're done talking
He goes to the DM's of one of the Officers to talk shit about the other officers
said Officer just goes "nah" and shows the logs

undone sun
#

oh boy

#

📖 👓

vital tree
#

But his logs tho

#

Gotta boost those hps numbers

umbral forge
#

@sick sentinel the 2 shield block a pull warrior is coming along really well actually. Took less damage than Fumeiyo on Radiance.
I compared logs post raid ^^

rapid tide
#

Juicy.

sick sentinel
#

"the author of Tank Notes"
just say Panthea

undone sun
#

lol

umbral forge
#

sure

#

panthea

#

it was

#

it was wild

rapid tide
#

😄

umbral forge
#

we have probably the best DPS players on the realm in the guild outside of the famed guys, ad are going for a top 500 world ranking at least this tier

#

that monk was kind of not up to that

rapid tide
#

Potentially maybe.

vital tree
#

I don’t get it though

#

You have 2 shield blocks

#

How do you use more during a fight?

#

Haxx?!

rapid tide
#

There is an exploit that let's you recharge them by bringing more shields.

#

You basically doff the shield after you can't block with it anymore

#

And don a replacement

#

Just need to quickly hide behind a pillar for it so noone notices.

sick sentinel
#

you can change weapons during combat

vital tree
#

Your blocks gradually become shittier and shittier until you start using green quest shields from Duskwood because you broke the restProtection

#

Idk how I feel about the gap between shield block timers tho

rapid tide
#

Ye, that's why guilds like Method have such a big advantage, they grind out 4 32 bags of shields for every pull.

vital tree
#

On one hand it’s annoying

rapid tide
#

Takes insane commitment.

vital tree
#

On the other it’s fun to be forced to plan and play around that window of weakness

#

God damn Method and their split shield heroic clears

minor hemlock
#

How would a pull look like in a raid or a pack in m+ for a prot warrior?

void berry
#

My question about this is when to use Avatar in the opening considering I use the mechagon cyclothing trinket and CoF.

vital tree
#

For me, i usually pop Avatar before charging into a m+ pack

#

Then use the rage gained from charge to pop shield block

#

Then i start the fight with IP from the BoM trait + block

strong forum
#

It's truly amazing to get yelled at to stop going ham on dps in raid cuz of aggro issues

#

Like... Bitch no?

vital tree
#

Well, with essences the threat suddenly became an issue again at the beginning of a pull

#

In m+ at least

strong forum
#

What im saying is

#

I'm pulling aggro of my cotank

vital tree
#

Oh

#

Uhhhh

strong forum
#

Cuz I have a 40k opener

#

And his is only 17k

vital tree
#

Tell him to git gud and reroll warrior

strong forum
#

And instead to just let me tank the boss some random bitch boi yells at me to stop going ham on dps

vital tree
#

The classic vibes are back!

strong forum
#

Na he's just a retard that has no idea about tanking

#

*proper tanking

vital tree
#

«So what if i overcap rage, I’m never gonna use it for anything other than mitigation»

#

«I am a TANK, not a dps»

#

Legit been told that by my co-tank once :p

undone sun
#

😬

strong forum
#

Tilts the living fuck out of me when people tell me to play defensively

#

Like breh I take 20-40% less dmg than rank1 parses

#

I'm literally min maxing the living fuck out of both

crimson furnace
#

guys, ilvl importance on rings

#

i have 2 rigs with bis stats that are 430

#

and hanve 2 450 ivl with haste/crit and crti/mastery

spice ferry
#

450

undone sun
#

if sockets are not involved, yes take ilevel

crimson furnace
#

no socket involed

undone sun
#

more stats > better stats

crimson furnace
#

just the gods of titanfoge

#

hae touched my pe*is

#

awesome, ty guys

#

ok, my ilvl is a strong 437 now

#

sweet!!

spice ferry
#

dam not bad

crimson furnace
#

22% crit
18% haste
30% mastery
10% versa

#

unbuffed

spice ferry
#

youd be like top 5 ilvl on my server lol

crimson furnace
#

and my weapon is stull 415

#

fucking hell

#

atal'dazar is being a D to me

#

so fucking hard

spice ferry
#

havent done one this season yet myself

crimson furnace
#

did 20-ish runs

spice ferry
#

only got back into it today. was on holiday

crimson furnace
#

got a rezan 435

spice ferry
#

nice

crimson furnace
#

my co-tank is plating with devastator...

vital tree
#

Other way around for me

crimson furnace
#

and I cant convince him to go BOM

vital tree
#

430 weapon

#

410 shield

#

Feelsbadman

rapid jewel
#

this week is a cancer week, grievious with good gear just puts a shitload of stress on healers

crimson furnace
#

the nice thing is that my IP buffed and ~90k

#

and it feels sooo damn good

vital tree
#

Also you almost hesitate with popping last stand if your hp is getting low

crimson furnace
#

another thing to the grp here

#

not sure if u guys have a chance to test

#

the trinket from the 4th boss

rapid jewel
#

yeah i use it for heal and a cancel makro if i dont hit 90% health with the heal

crimson furnace
#

but the healing output is insane

#

IP + trinket outs me around 18k HPS

#

as a fucign warr tank

#

is it ok to share logs here fi our chars???

spice ferry
#

ofc

crimson furnace
#

or we dont do that

rapid jewel
#

@crimson furnace I run devastator too, I prefer the damage, the rage is the same and you dont have to shout for a dmg boost

crimson furnace
#

i feel a bit empty

#

when talenting that

#

i have moments where i dont press a single button

#

the shield slam procs are nice, tho

rapid jewel
#

yeah i run at around 2k flat haste, that kinda helps too.

crimson furnace
#

so this is me

#

and the toon that I am building

rapid jewel
#

you have to work on your healing buddy.

crimson furnace
#

:))))

#

so, as far as the stuff I did, I am really happy with the class

#

it feels good, it feels sturdy and at the same time, we can dish out some really nice dmg as well

#

CD rotations is amazing with AMgmt

#

so, yhea, super happy with the warr

rapid jewel
#

ah it has some drawbacks. you only have one dmg reduction done to you, and that is on 4 min cd. Demoshout is nice, but sometimes dont work well since it is a debuff. Also we could use some love when it gets to negating magic damage

crimson furnace
#

it would make us OP

#

and nr1 by leagues

#

if we would get those

#

i do believe that spell reflect is broken/bugged

#

and it does way more than the tooltip says

undone sun
#

hmm

rapid jewel
#

it is, but I would trade it for magic damage reduction in a second

crimson furnace
#

amrk of ursol

#

:))

#

if i remember corectly

#

from back in my druid days

undone sun
#

yeah, removed just after nighthold

crimson furnace
#

yup

#

1 spell that made druids king

undone sun
#

magic heavy raid, can easily maintain a stack of IF and MoU at the same time

#

ez

spice ferry
#

MoU?

undone sun
#

mark of ursol

spice ferry
#

oh right

#

druid

brisk ferry
#

ahh those were the days

strong forum
#

Tfw got 3 445s yesterday from raid and Still only 435 equipped 🙃

#

And I lost 2 sockets..

crimson furnace
#

#feelsbadman

strong forum
#

Down to 5 sockets

#

4 actually

vital tree
#

you fellow visions of perfection

spice ferry
#

got 4 430s from raid, a 455 and a 440 from m+, a 430 from meka and

vital tree
#

is it 4 clears to get r3 of it?

spice ferry
#

went from 413 to 425 today 😛

crimson furnace
#

3 clears should do it

#

or i got lucky

#

need 10 more

#

have the last boss left to kill on HC

#

did not do normal since w1

vital tree
#

i mean the visions of perfection from mechagon

crimson furnace
#

oooo

#

i have no idea

#

what I did test

#

was the hard mode

undone sun
#

4 clears on normal, 2 on hard

#

from what i heard

crimson furnace
#

it drops double

undone sun
#

weeks*

oblique garnet
#

yeah

#

hard mode is guaranteed 2

#

So doing hardmode for 2 weeks is the play

stark ruin
#

hard mode clears don't require "no deaths", right?

oblique garnet
#

No

undone sun
#

that's r4

stark ruin
#

that only for the r4

#

cool

oblique garnet
#

But thats actually easily doable

stark ruin
#

no deaths normal?

undone sun
#

no deaths hard for r4

#

only requirement of no deaths

crimson furnace
#

yhea

stark ruin
#

that's actually hard

crimson furnace
#

it is, that place is a cancer

#

one big cancer

stark ruin
#

it requires people to navigate the air oppression unit's fields quickly

undone sun
#

rank 4s are cosmetic so not like it's game changing

stark ruin
#

I personally love it

#

I know

willow scarab
#

Isn't it no death normal mecha

#

you don't have to no death hm

stark ruin
#

that's what I'm asking, yes

#

is it no death hm, or no death normal

willow scarab
#

The achiev doesn't say hm on it

stark ruin
#

right

willow scarab
#

i'll ask

#

some guildies did it today

undone sun
#

hmm may be right

willow scarab
#

they did it on hardmode

undone sun
#

wowhead comments state hardmode too

oblique garnet
#

Whats the achievement called

oblique garnet
#

cant find that achievement in game

cinder pasture
#

Yea it's a feat of strength, doesn't show up ingame until you earn it

oblique garnet
#

Awarded when completing Mechagon on Hard mode, without anyone dying.

#

on the comments

undone sun
#

yeh

#

reason i linked to the comments 😄

oblique garnet
#

Should be pretty easy all the way to mechagon and only way you can fail it if you fail the mecha achievement 🤷

strong forum
#

Doing HM deathless ohno

exotic spoke
#

Yeah. That’s fucked

#

Since originally it was said you can earn the higher ranks before the lower ones.

stark ruin
#

rank 4s were specified a while ago

#

that you can only unlock them when you have r3

exotic spoke
#

@oblique garnet it took us 3 pulls to get the HM king mechagon down Tuesday night. It’s a little awkward to do it.

I know of another group that had 80+ pulls before they got it

Be mindful that the timer counts down while you’re stunned on intermission

stark ruin
#

but it's stupid that you can't "pre-qualify" for them

oblique garnet
#

You have to wait a bit

#

for it

exotic spoke
#

I never saw that eryona. I saw that you can’t use it before you have rank 3 but it’s fucking stupid you can’t earn it

oblique garnet
#

you will auto unlock it when you get the rank 3 essence

stark ruin
#

@oblique garnet , read the reddit thread I've linked

#

you will not auto-unlock it

#

but have to do the achi again

oblique garnet
#

you will be able to unlock the rank 4 essence next week for the first time anyways

#

rank 3

#

i mean

#

also wouldnt take anything the gms are saying at this point to be true

vital tree
#

I'd say it depends on if the r4 unlocks from a drop or vendor of some kind

#

if its a drop I'd say odds are you have to do it again

#

if a vendor somewhere has it its probably enough to just have the achiev completed

#

I should do Mechagon HM this week, was it hard to tank Late?

oblique garnet
#

no

#

only different boss is kujo

vital tree
#

doesn't the HK-unit also spawn a deadlier add?

oblique garnet
#

??? Idk

#

dodge beams 🤷

vital tree
#

think i read somewhere that it spawns the Tankbuster Mk 2 that is a bit different :p

exotic spoke
#

Yeah, but it’s ducking easy

vital tree
#

ah

exotic spoke
#

Still bursted him in one phase

#

Late, shivarra - are you solo soaking in mythic?

oblique garnet
#

yes

sick sentinel
#

we didn;t first kill

#

we started solo soaking midway through our rekill

#

like, we decided to start doing so when she was at about 60%

oblique garnet
#

It did 180k damage to me solo soaking

exotic spoke
#

Just demo shout / IP?

sweet kettle
#

turn back for mad disrespect

exotic spoke
#

Lol doesn’t matter when you can’t block it

oblique garnet
#

if above 50% it doesnt kill you without anything

exotic spoke
#

Aight

sweet kettle
#

turn back to all the haters

oblique garnet
#

I had to use sw on one because that overlapped with some big resets

exotic spoke
#

Fair

sweet kettle
#

@oblique garnet same

#

hit me with those 9 stacks

#

fk yes

willow scarab
#

tfw you get like 6 more 100s on farm but still can't kill ashvane

#

why is this game so hard

#

high spirits just to get crushed by davy jones lookin ass boss 😦

hexed dust
#

I'm having some issues with tagging bosses during busy fights (like council) and that's caused my taunt not to hit the right target during a tank swap. Any suggestions?

strong forum
#

Tab target

#

Then taunt

#

Or have mouseover taunt macro

junior ivy
#

hi

hexed dust
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No, really? tab. Had not tried that ;>>

brisk ferry
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what else could he possibly recommend?

hexed dust
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I think it is an issue with an addon that's causing issues with the targeting. Thought that maybe someone had a really neat weakaura or something ^^

brisk ferry
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get better nameplates

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Plater is great

junior ivy
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kui too

hexed dust
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Thnx, i'll look into those.

willow scarab
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you should use your boss unit frames to target

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if you're missign the taunt 😃

junior ivy
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yeah i used to do that

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when id get overwhelmed trying to click the right boss during coven lol

analog swift
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plater is also awesome because it shows who is stealing your spell reflect

brisk ferry
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yeah it has plenty of customization

astral crystal
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love plater as well

strong forum
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Plater is big sex

mystic whale
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is there any leeway between vision of perfection major and memories minor for raiding ? Any other essence worth checking out ?

limber arrow
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is 10 ilevel upgrade makes the WM weapon (servant splitter) worth using?

strong forum
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Well nullification barrier is really good

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Crucible is really good

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Worldvein r3 minor is really good

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All depends on what you wanna do

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@limber arrow yes

limber arrow
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@strong forum 1. thanks for the quick response. 2. is it in general a good weapon (like the one from King's rest is for fury) or is it only good because its a 10+ ilevel increase?

strong forum
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Because of the ilvl

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But the proc is good in ST now apparently

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But only in ST

thin pecan
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@hexed dust I had the same issue. Then I tried targeting Marcos and that worked wonders

hexed dust
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@thin pecan gonna need to look at those as well. The usual has not been working out and something with an addon is making me lose my target while charging/leaping

thin pecan
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Oh gawd

mystic whale
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anyone know if crucible of flame as a minor will proc the healing on ourself through ignore pain ?

vague tide
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Hey friends, could anyone please give me a link for the benthic gear guide?

exotic spoke
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Ice veins has a list of the best defensive ones nowei

vague tide
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Thank you!

strong forum
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AFAIK no @mystic whale havent ever been healed from crucible unless I accidentally used it on me

mystic whale
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ah damn okay. thanks

frigid heart
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seems like null r3 minor is doing some big damage

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didn't expect that

strong forum
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It's huge

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Like 2k dps ST

last mason
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Am I ever supposed to be able to tank the berserker bleeds in Kr without outside help

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Was in a pug with warrior dps and a spriest and was getting murdered. Wasn’t sure if it was my fault or lack of general cc

exotic spoke
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Sleepy, what key level and how many are you soaking before the berserkers are dead?

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Like two hurt. And three+ runs the risk of being deadly. There’s a reason a lot of people skip the last two packs if at all possible

mystic whale
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how is null dealing damage ? isnt that the slow on getting hit ?

frigid heart
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the r3 explodes when the barrier fades

dreamy trench
mystic whale
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well look at that, interesting

spice ferry
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Crit gives parry, Vers is flat dr. though the difference between the two would be incredibly small so you would be unable to which gives more surv

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At bigger levels you could argue one or the other, but food buff is a very small amount

dreamy trench
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yea true, which food would you use tho?

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gotta use something

spice ferry
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Feast tbh

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Or whatever is cheaper on ah

mystic whale
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you're using devastator ? Is it cool again ?

dreamy trench
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dont think we are feasting this tier

strong forum
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Haste.

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Devastator is for ST parsing

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That's about it

mystic whale
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i see

spice ferry
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Deva is marginally better on ST, at the cost of some defensiveness

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It’s literally just a talent to st parse

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Aoe boom is better

dreamy trench
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alright, thanks guys

umbral forge
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hey

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how many barnacle bashes can a Prot Warrior take

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On Mythic Ashvane

mystic whale
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oh barnacles

strong forum
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Idk, alot

chrome falcon
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FINALLY

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anyone know how this 2 charge dot works?

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should i apply one and then stack it with the second?

vital tree
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Major power has 2 charges

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Minor power can stack 3 times (the dot)

chrome falcon
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yeah i get that

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i just mean how do i maximise the dps from the major

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am i going to do more damage if i wait for one major dot to hit 1 second

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then stack another on top of it

vital tree
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Just make sure its always refreshing at least one major

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Oh right

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It does dot damage too now

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I would imagine it either overwrites so you wait 6s to cast 2nd