to force casters / shooters to follow u
#protection
modern brook
i remember something abuot that but idk how to do it or if it was a dream
i wanna say @sand egret was telling me about it
hence it might be a dream
sand egret
yeah, its fuckery you can do with how ranged attacks tarrget
warm plinth
You can move in to some mobs that shoot and it'll fuck them up for a second and they'll follow you for a few steps before they start shooting again
But it doesn't seem consistent to me š¤·
sand egret
its finnicky
cinder roost
"Having Jaina Nightmares"
exotic spoke
āyeetā
@strong forum stop that. Youāre not a kid
exotic spoke
Your yeet rights have been revoked
strong forum
You can't fight me, I'm a bad bitch
warm plinth
How are you gonna take Nome's yeet rights but let Blade keep trying to meme
sand egret
yaāll are POGGING
exotic spoke
@modern brook i with a rogue now sometimes - most of the time but sometimes heās not around
And thatās when it hurt
modern brook
You're ally scum right riki?
exotic spoke
Whoa!
strong forum
Yeet + heroic leap is indoubetably the most amazing thing a warri can do
Change my mind
exotic spoke
Such hostility
exotic spoke
But yeah Iām an Alliance CHAMPION
strong forum
Ally is the true faction
modern brook
just a fact of life man
exotic spoke
and a bad DiD bitch
sand egret
monkers
strong forum
I had to swap to horde cuz this game sucks
modern brook
laughs in orc
quick elk
440 with a socket, is this worth switching out for a 425 weapon with haste vers?
strong forum
Hah sako, you're funny
cinder roost
š
strong forum
Warmode is the most unbalanced and biased shit ever
Cuz sharing is always 1v40
Always
No matter which race you play
Or faction
cinder roost
Yeah it's stupid
strong forum
I have played both extensively
modern brook
yeah
strong forum
Faction changes nothing
modern brook
thats why its horseshit that the allies get30%
strong forum
Absolutely nothing in warmode
modern brook
I'd complain if they were actually capable of turning that advantage into anything
but they cant
so
š¤·
strong forum
Cuz there's just 100-1 horde to alliance players cuz of raiding
quick elk
but there is no stats on the splitter, so the Ilevel gear rule is not the same? as there is no armour on weapons? or is the str upgrade alone worht it
sand egret
well, even at 30% they still only get 1 extra manapearl on WQs, for instance
so it's not even correct.
strong forum
@quick elk the weapon damage is the important part
modern brook
because allies suck
warm plinth
Weapon damage is the most important part of weapons
strong forum
Most of your abilities scale with weapn damage itself
modern brook
also yeah that
sand egret
#makeswingspeedgreatagain
warm plinth
Weapons and shields are ilevel over absolutely everything.
modern brook
ITs really hard to get weapon damage on a ring, so ilvl wins on every weapon roll
quick elk
what about survivability?
warm plinth
It contributes to your survivability too
Weapon DPS is part of the Ignore Pain calculation.
quick elk
oh
modern brook
You're also considering losing out on ~4% damage so you can take like .05% less damage
those numbers are made up to illustrate a point
warm plinth
You're made up to illustrate a point
modern brook
I mean hes right
warm plinth
š¬
quick elk
Thanks you for the info all
modern brook
I need a 
but sad
cinder roost
420 benthic or 440 bracers, now that's a question š¤
warm plinth
It's not a question. 440 bracers.
cinder roost
My parses won't agree
warm plinth
I mean, are you going for 100% parses?
modern brook
My raid set is 16 benthic sockets, 3x RF, devestator, 3x BoM
exotic spoke
What Ilvl weapon bull?
modern brook
700
exotic spoke
Lol
warm plinth
cinder roost
I do as much as I can Ghash
strong forum
3x RF, 3x BoM, 3x BfI here
cinder roost
So yeah DPS, but obviously I will adapt if I need to
strong forum
With 760ilvl zaqul weapon
exotic spoke
Iām about to just group with a pally healer (loot spec of prot) and 3 DKs and steal their one handers while spamming 10s
Tired of a ducking 415
cinder roost
But it's still stupid that a 440 is not better dps wise against a 420, same with Uu'nat legs
modern brook
@strong forum wut about the hate cap????
warm plinth
You guys are hurting my brain
shut summit
exotic spoke
I mean, thatās because of different stats sako. All stats are not created equally.
Benthic has very unique dps bonuses
shut summit
Most do
jagged bay
hi what do you guys think about meticulous scheming for raiding?
shut summit
It's good
modern brook
MS is just good period
exotic spoke
Because different classes need different things. And unique bonuses tend to be strong.
Look at all the healers dropping 10-15+ ilvls for leech because itās actually fucking amazing for them
Where as, we donāt care about it. Itās good if we get it but we donāt drop stats.
modern brook
high uptime, strong stat gain*, easy conditionals
modern brook
If you're not dropping ilvl for it its prob better than your other options
IIRC they're like BS and DC
modern brook
NP I hope your weekend was good :^)
jagged bay
it was xD thanks hopefully yours was aswell!
hasty sapphire
are the sims correct for the "reckless flurry" trait while in Prot specc?
brisk ferry
oh this old gem
whole coral
hey my guild is planning on just giving out personal foods for TEP, more people get more bennefit out of personal food than feasts i don't like it ofc i want the feast for str... So i wanted to know if Boralus Blood sausage (85str) would be better than Baked Port Tato (93haste)
sick sentinel
@hasty sapphire yes
@whole coral my guild does that too
eat the haste food
if you are tanking radiance, eat vers
same with gongozola
whole coral
got radiance down with haste food y-day
but cheers for the tip š
did take massive dmg on radiance storm adds
analog swift
for the love of god don't eat crit for sivara
analog swift
had to take off my gore crusted for that fight
sick sentinel
for fucking bullshit ass shivarra
analog swift
swapped to my monk to make soloing the crushing easier
about once every pull i have to /sit
exotic spoke
Fuck shivarra
analog swift
super annoying
tho i'm glad they made the first boss so hard
enrage timer is a bit tight
had a sub 1% pull
broken ledge
is Ashvane's Razor Coral viable for prot or should i look elsewhere? i got it at 430 last night
sick sentinel
Wait shivarra has an enrage timer
exotic spoke
6 minutes
sick sentinel
So blizzard just did exactly what I was asking for
I like this
I was preaching for the entirety of bod
To make opulence like first or second boss
If you can't kill opulence you don't deserve mythic loot
sick sentinel
And they kind of did it
analog swift
more so because people die
strong forum
time to open the disappointmens
analog swift
we hit enrage twice last night
strong forum
wish me luck
analog swift
sub 1% wipe was brutal I was rolling, popping transcedence everything
but yeah i like it, pugging champs in the first week or taloc was just ridiculous
sick sentinel
I know people who have killed first 3 bosses in a pug
But they are the same ones that were pugging 6/9 in bod
analog swift
yeah
naive panther
I need to get in a 3/8 pug. Did a couple pulls on first boss but no one would stick around long enough. 40% on second pull doesnāt seem bad
sick sentinel
Excuse me guys but for a FULL survival focused set i must go for item level instead of haste always?
exotic spoke
Yes
You would equip Ilvl instead of haste for survivability
If they are equal Ilvl prioritize whichever has more haste
Basically, whatever gives you more stats is better
sick sentinel
ok man , many thanks really š
ah 1 last thing that i still dont udnerstand, i got lot of trinkets : Rezan Eye 430, quenn's court absorb trinket, the mekagon trinket and a 440 merekta gland (that basically only deals damage). i Should go with the ones that gives me more strenght too?
exotic spoke
Trinkets are different. Which mechagon trinket do you have? The punch card or the platinum plated one?
sick sentinel
the punch card one: in it i putted Ciclotronic blast, 171crit and 52 haste
exotic spoke
I donāt know what the trinket from queens court is called - but Iām guessing thatās edicts? If so Iād do edicts and rezans eye.
Punchcard with cyclotronic now means you canāt block while casting. It was fixed / changed at some point. Itās great for us in world quests / world pvp but I wouldnāt personally use it for m+ or raids any more
sick sentinel
ye edicts
exotic spoke
Merekta gland is garbage.
sand egret
not if you get a 445 tf one out of your chest
exotic spoke
Rip for getting that. I got it too yesterday from my m+ cache
No, itās garbage blade. Fucking nuked that
So fast
sand egret
loool
sick sentinel
i got it too today xD 440 lol
sand egret
but the memories!
strong forum
i got 440 crit haste bracers :^)
buoyant inlet
does anyone have any insight as to whether we are approaching a soft haste cap with procs? with ItF, quick nav, and the mecha trinket proccing, i'm wondering if it is time to start gemming for versa or mastery
exotic spoke
Will be dulled and forgotten with alcohol
sick sentinel
lol
strong forum
no @buoyant inlet
sand egret
enlighten me on this "soft haste cap"
exotic spoke
Keep going haste if you want survivability. Until you get 100% consistent up time of shield block / last stand you can use more haste
sick sentinel
i even see a lot of warr prots using devastaor instead of booming , it is really better for surv?
exotic spoke
Spoiler - you donāt have that
buoyant inlet
the GCD won't drop below 1 second ever correct?
wispy plume
@sick sentinel its for damages
buoyant inlet
but attack speed will continue to scale?
exotic spoke
No tutu, it is for doing more damage / parses at the cost of survivability
sick sentinel
roger
strong forum
the gcd scales infinetely
wispy plume
No sir
exotic spoke
@buoyant inlet it isnāt just for the gcd purposes itās for shield block up time
wispy plume
The GCD locks but cdr continues to scale
Some classes 1 sec other classes (WW) they get I think 1.5 max
buoyant inlet
the spin wheel goes faster nom but the GCD locks at 1 second
warm plinth
Energy classes have a fixed GCD afaik; it's always 1 second no matter what isn't it?
exotic spoke
But - do you have 100% uptime on shield block / Last stand? @buoyant inlet
warm plinth
They just get faster energy regeneration and ability CDs come back faster. I may be wrong but I thought that's how it worked for them.
exotic spoke
It also increases attack speed
buoyant inlet
no, when i'm hitting my rotations right to chain block - block - stand repeat, then i'm close but thats ideal conditions and awareness
exotic spoke
Then you can use more haste
buoyant inlet
kk thanks
agile spruce
Is ILVL always better than traits for azerite?
warm plinth
You can have 100% uptime for a certain period of time, but eventually you run out of Shield Block charges.
wispy plume
Yeah @warm plinth
buoyant inlet
EVEN if im a bit gimpy on vers right? keep gemming that sweet sweet haste?
warm plinth
e.g. you can do SBx3>LS>SB but then you're out
exotic spoke
Itās currently unattainable.
Thatās from a pure defensive perspective sokron
If you want dps you start going for crit
warm plinth
@agile spruce Yes, except that Deafening Crash (only the first trait) is worth ilevel.
buoyant inlet
thanks all
agile spruce
well my azerite is all 445 now but ive ended up with 3 deafening crash and no bastions š®
sick sentinel
even azerite traits for surv we want 3 bastions always then 1 crash?
exotic spoke
Thatās where most Of us will be - or I guess I should say - most Of is will not have 3 bastions as we upgrade
warm plinth
BoM is kind of mandatory in that it feels fucking trash to not have it, but it's not worth dropping ilevel for.
agile spruce
so basically stick with the ilvl and live with the crappy traits š
strong forum
and here i am using full 430s cuz id rather use good 430s than shitty 445
sick sentinel
and again roger and thanks xD
exotic spoke
Again, Nome, you know the rules - and youāre using your judgement to go against them
For most people asking they should just follow the defensive guidelines
However, I am sad cyclotronic is blah now š¦
exotic spoke
Using shieldwall in high m+ to cast it doesnāt feel worthwhile. Started using 430 gore crusted
I believe you mean:
āAt least you have an expulsom you can sellā
warm plinth
Isn't that what I said? š¤
exotic spoke
Yeah you right
warm plinth
I wish there were more things to do with expulsom
strong forum
how is cyclo blah now?
warm plinth
You can't block while channeling it now.
exotic spoke
You canāt block while using it
strong forum
ye for like 2 weeks
warm plinth
Riki ruined it for all of us.
warm plinth
No, you used to be able to cast Shield Block and then it would still block while it was channeling.
exotic spoke
No one told me?!?!
exotic spoke
Previously you wouldcast it up front and use it according to fumeiyo
oblique garnet
nah riki im not using my 445 azerites either
cobalt trellis
what azerite item to go for, if i'm not raiding? all current ones 420 atm, 1 dc, 2bom, 2if, 1bs
oblique garnet
i have 2 options with 2x CR / BS / DC
strong forum
shoulders
oblique garnet
Like legit not worth
strong forum
like, idk what to tell you kĆ¼rbis
exotic spoke
I mean - I think thatās a complete shit one. And yeah. But most arenāt that bad
strong forum
shoulders are highest chance to get good ones
cobalt trellis
ok well fair enough
oblique garnet
Shoulders have best chance to drop good ones
exotic spoke
From TR
cobalt trellis
thx
exotic spoke
I get to try again in 2 weeks
analog swift
wait late are you fr? I gotta assume the 15 ilvls beats out a lower BoM
cobalt trellis
lolz, i have kraken and got kraken
exotic spoke
Helm this time probably
cobalt trellis
krak krak
strong forum
CR BS is the worst possible pair of 445s
strong forum
even 415 beats that
analog swift
doubt that
strong forum
big time
exotic spoke
Because Iām not close to radiance Theseus
strong forum
ye if you go for survival pepega
analog swift
LOL me neither but fuc kit
exotic spoke
And I have solid 430 shoulders.
And I want good shit for m+
oblique garnet
Its not even survival increase
analog swift
X
oblique garnet
Cr + bs
analog swift
what's your 415s
oblique garnet
Is actually like the worst shit you can get
exotic spoke
If it had BfI / if itās different imo
analog swift
what's the general trait
wtf bois we done w/ the engineering helm
you dont like pulling pig boss in WM with barrage?
analog swift
nah the damage is super nice
it's only happened to me once the other day
was using heroic throw on mobs in pig boss room out the door
and they went off
strong forum
also engi is still arguably one of the best helmets
analog swift
barrage consistently does more damage than undulating tides which does fucking insane damage
i mean i get that it has down time in keys due to damage
strong forum
undulating memes
frigid forge
Question anyone knows how much eternal ornaments scrapping 430 goggles give?
exotic spoke
Do you mean TR?
frigid forge
no i mean if it refunds the eternal ornaments you used to craft them
warm plinth
I think that's typically how it has worked in the past, right? Didn't they refund breaths if you scrapped the old ones?
frigid forge
tried to google it no solid info so hence me asking this fine ensamble of boys and girls
warm plinth
Since sanguicells and breaths both refunded, I see no reason why these wouldn't.
oblique garnet
you dont use ornaments to craft
shrewd goblet
Eternal ornaments aren't part of the craft this time around. They are used to upgrade your focus
warm plinth
Oh, I see.
exotic spoke
Yeah, you donāt use them to craft the item. You use them to empower a crafting location to be able to make them.
Thatās why I was confused by the question
junior ivy
hi
round glade
the shield from mechagon with absorb procc, anyone tested it?
warm plinth
It's shit. But still use the shield if it's your highest
round glade
naw š¦
exotic spoke
You should use it
It will improve your survivability a good amount purely from the increased block value and armor - which are directly tied to Ilvl
wispy plume
Always use highest ilvl shield
remote ruin
hey guys, do you always do the dps as tank as the sim tells you you are able to? i sim with 17,5k dps but i cant reach higher then 9k in raid currently
last mason
crystalline carapace or blood siphon
sand egret
sounds like a textbook rotational issue, Lameoxx
brisk ferry
blood siphon
remote ruin
so you do the sim dps while tanking @sand egret ?
last mason
then unstable flames or crystal carapace
brisk ferry
UF all day
sand egret
not the absolute listed, no. But sims (at least most setups) are done for Patchwerk style fights, so you have to assume there will be some variance as you won't optimally be able to execute the assumed APL in practice. That being said, if it's saying 17k and you're getting 9k at all, I have to assume that's gotta be user-error. 9k ST dps is pretty below expected if you're geared enough to be tanking in the current raid.
last mason
also what would you guys use alongside vial? 410 rezans or 420 mechagon motorcycle trink w/socket
the latter is a 2min cd
sand egret
id prob use rezan's, mostly because I don't know enough about the moto trinket...but since I haven't heard of it I have to assume it's prob not very good
young oasis
agile spruce
How many people do we need using worldvine to take it as a minor over lucid?
naive panther
Dang 440 right now is up there. Almost 336 myself without raiding.
strong forum
his healing log is 0 ilvl parse
cuz theres no shaman with that ilvl yet
fucking LAMO
wispy plume
I spam ran m+ and didnāt get many forges honestly. Iām sitting at 437 equipped which feels pretty high
sick sentinel
Once you hit the 433-434 threshold itās afk and tank until 8.3
strong forum
how is my guild this powerful
got gloves from 1st
and belt from 2nd boss
still only 434
āæ
pearl tinsel
what are the best essences for m+?
naive panther
Iāve had a few small forges and one big one. I miss legion forge chance. It really makes me want to stop repeating content.
pearl tinsel
vision major and lucid minor?
lusty grotto
that's the go-to yes
it's not set in stone though, some of it can vary depending on what you need
rocky umbra
is IP on a higher prio than null barrier
rocky umbra
feels like it isnt judging from damage
sweet summit
trinket from court any good for us?
brisk ferry
I'm at 431 and still have 420 azerites, that will be nice
lusty grotto
hmm if only there were magic damage tank dummies
storm hazel
Anyone know what is better for m+ dungeons - Superior Battle Potion of Strength OR Unbridled fury pots?
lusty grotto
if you pull big big big
exotic spoke
I mean, you should use the one that is based around how many mobs are around you
4+ mobs and that potion is better than superior battle potion of strength
storm hazel
Unbridled better for larger packs?
exotic spoke
But, itās going to be a combination of all of the above and stam pot for magic damage imo - unpopular opinion
exotic spoke
Is unbridled the one that empowers based around people around you
lucid bough
what i can check for defensive trinket read?
storm hazel
Unbridled does has a chance to do fire dmg to mobs around you
exotic spoke
Nah, not that one. Use the one that gives more strength of more people are around you
lusty grotto
š
exotic spoke
Or you use superiroor strength. Or you use stam from time to time
For reasons - which may include anima of life and death
storm hazel
I see so i wanna use Empowered proximity
lusty grotto
superior strenth or empowered proximity
exotic spoke
Yeah most of the time between those two
lusty grotto
you need pulls of 4+ enemies for it to be better than superior str
storm hazel
Ty ā¤
rocky umbra
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/zpLJcvgNXGKMq2w8#fight=1&type=damage-done&source=11 @lusty grotto does this help
im too rarted to use logs
lusty grotto
ok give me a sec
kinda rough cause null barrier is increased by versa
let me call our ancient priority expert @sand egret
BLADE!
sand egret
ahem?
lusty grotto
trying to figure out if nullification dynamo has higher or lower priority than IP
sand egret
hmm, I haven't gotten it yet (honestly, i haven't bought it yet tbh) but I gotta assume at least the minor follows the same rules as RP/Diamond
wispy plume
Unbridled is good on ST
umbral forge
@oblique garnet our Prot Warrior used last stand with bolster
Yet he still didn't block auto attacks and was removed from existence.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/4V7Z2H9hfbTY1QDn/#fight=14&type=casts&start=3820847&end=3837765&source=12
help
lusty grotto
yeah that's what i thought
wispy plume
It pumps dps but no survivability gain
lusty grotto
but how to test it
sand egret
hmm
warm plinth
That's because radiance adds aren't blockable @umbral forge
lusty grotto
kinda stupid that you can't see an absorb timeline
umbral forge
WAT
warm plinth
Sorry boo š¦ It's true.
lusty grotto
ghash is right jettom
sand egret
find a mob with magic damage that just casts on ya, pop it, then pop IP. It's pretty easy to see if the IP goes down or if it hits Null first @lusty grotto
umbral forge
Yeah I trust Ghash
oblique garnet
The mobs do nature damage which is unblockable
lusty grotto
that's the problem, i cant find a reliable testing mob
umbral forge
oh my god
lusty grotto
because its magic only
sand egret
no rando caster in Zuld?
lusty grotto
let me go for the elite casters in nazjatar
sand egret
also, the "nuke" from the tanking dummy is magic IIRC
lusty grotto
yeah but
sand egret
just gotta find a stupid mob that chain casts
wispy plume
Yeah pop SR on gale buffet
warm plinth
It looks like it eats Null first btw
umbral forge
Cheers lads
sand egret
lame
lusty grotto
@rocky umbra
sand egret
although, actually maybe not...
in instances of mixed damage it's actually more performant per rage spent
since your IP won't get ripped so hard by the magic burst and still be in tact to smooth any additional phys damage intake
wispy plume
Iām still honored.... because I didnāt do dailies for like 2 weeks in rustbolt.... soooo yeahhh.
sand egret
me too haha
wispy plume
Gonna be a minute before I get that. The edict trinket seems good for that though
You can swap it between phys and magic absorb
lusty grotto
im lost
sand egret
although, Rustbolt has been pretty fast to rep thusfar
sand egret
Null trinket then talked about Edict (magic form of it) as a way to compliment that need
lusty grotto
what need?
sand egret
mitigating magic damage.
rocky umbra
ok thanks
lusty grotto
what DR and me were talking about
sand egret
oh yeah i dunno about ya'll. I'm just referring to what Volk and I were just talking about
i just got pinged in here
ĀÆ_(ć)_/ĀÆ
sand egret
you should at least see the tooltips update
sand egret
this for the active and passive components?
lusty grotto
that's the minor
lusty grotto
i gotta go back to newhome to change the major
warm plinth
This confirms Null Barrier is eaten first (if I'm not wrong ofc). On the 31.043 line, after mitigation it would have been a 160,707 hit. If IP was consumed first, it would have consumed IP fully because IP was only 74,628 at the time. But Null fades and IP stays.
But that's the minor I think
lusty grotto
it is
sand egret
i'd expect minor to function like others, Diamond and RP
the major is an on-use, so that one i'm most interested in
warm plinth
So you're thinking Major might be consumed after IP?
lusty grotto
checking now
sand egret
yeah, that's my open question
lusty grotto
makes no sense but
warm plinth
What's the major called?
lusty grotto
its blizzard the small indie studio
sand egret
well minor is a passive aura
rocky umbra
empowered null barrier
sand egret
similar to RP/Diamond
warm plinth
Ok
rocky umbra
is the on use
lusty grotto
yup
Empowered Null Barrier
will be rough to test
cause 150k absorb...
let me try on the world boss lmao
sand egret
well honestly it doesn't matter for the damage. If you pop it and IP and take 10 points of magic damage either a):
Null goes down by 5 and IP by 5
or
Null goes down by 10.
that should be reflected via the dynamic buff tooltips
warm plinth
Yeah, I was gonna look on logs but no prot wars are using the major
lusty grotto
ok i died
sand egret
I also have a funny story from M+ last night involving a very drunk HPal
coral jasper
š š„
sand egret
i feel like you're making this waaaay harder than it needs to be haha
warm plinth
Yeah that world boss fucking trucks lol
sand egret
although....the minor is going to be a pain to rule out
warm plinth
Why are you making this so hard
lusty grotto
but... IP and Greater Null Barrier went down at around the same time
warm plinth
Why don't you just log it instead?
That way you're not trying to look at numbers amidst chaos
lusty grotto
uhh..
sand egret
go find a mob that casts Zap!
warm plinth
Yeah or the mobs on Mecha that do charged coil or something
sand egret
get zapped, look at numbers
lusty grotto
cause i dont know if wcl parses logs outside of obvious instances
warm plinth
You can literally log a target dummy
Or a critter if you want. WCL doesn't care. It just doesn't have a category for it.
sand egret
WCL has it's own category for Trevor.
lusty grotto
i honestly have never tried logging outside of raids/m+
and consequently upping them to WCL
warm plinth
Works the same way except your autologging addon won't autolog it
You have to manually type /combatlog
sand egret
well im honored in Rustbolt so I can just check this when I get off work
sand egret
the dream would be:
Minor > IP > Major
but I suspect it's Major > Minor > IP
but runner up would be if Minor > Major
warm plinth
It just goes into your personal logs
sand egret
that way you can benefit from the dps gain of the minor without it conflicting with the major
warm plinth
It gives you a URL like any other log
cinder pasture
I'm having so much luck today with azerite
sand egret
grats
warm plinth
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/gxWvp4XjMCN8bF31#fight=last&type=damage-done like I literally have this log of me hitting a naga in Desolace (don't even remember why I was logging this tbh lol)
Oh I think I was doing testing with the Kul Tiran racial - the healing thing
sand egret
wow beating up on that poor level 40 naga
warm plinth
I was the same level as it at the time so it was a fair fight!
sand egret
(is that zone lvl 40? now that's a WoW trivia question....)
coral jasper
pretty sure 40-44
warm plinth
Originally it was like 35-37ish but it's like 20-60 now
coral jasper
Around feralas and all thata shit
sand egret
that'd be a fun trivia thing: just named the level range of the old zones
coral jasper
yeah i guess i mighta got that one wrong
inland cove
Ashvane's Razor Coral trinket. How is best to use it please all?
warm plinth
actually, here we go
sand egret
depends on what you're doing
warm plinth
Thanks classic wowhead
sand egret
in a raid:
- You could let it stack up and try and save it for a massive Parry infusion
- Just use it when you need to DPS
Overall, I think you're better off using it when your Avatar pops to maximize your damage windows.
@inland cove
It's still a damage trinket, so use it accordingly. It just has the benefit that we get defensive gains via crit conversion.
inland cove
@sand egret ty buddy.
shut summit
lusty grotto
nuuu
lusty grotto
but but
slate ingot
Crystalline carapace or flames, I took carapace
warm plinth
š
lusty grotto
depends on the purpose
exotic spoke
Yeah. Youāre a butt
lusty grotto
carapace is good defensively, flames is good for M+
shrewd goblet
Is there an easy way to predict when the cursed heart drops on Azshara P1 adds so that I can dip into the last one and keep the area pretty tight?
distant crystal
so that platinum plating trinket is pretty garbage eh
wispy plume
@shrewd goblet itās their energy bar
shrewd goblet
Oh crap, I didn't notice that. Thanks
wispy plume
No problem at 100 energy the next auto is the pool
exotic spoke
Thereās also a WA I saw that tracks it just FYI. Donāt know where / what it is - but there is one
junior ivy
hi
exotic spoke
Hi!
junior ivy
is there a weakaura that counts how many times you jump
one that you can reset
whenrever you want
exotic spoke
I dunno. I hate the mobs that stun you when you jump in FH š¦
exotic spoke
Come back and play again
exotic spoke
Then take a break Also thatās not true. Lots of people added and talk to you
junior ivy
true lol im just being dramatic, but like my core group of friends doesnt play anymore
distant crystal
junior ivy
and i felt so behind too
distant crystal
š¤
hard sigil
is there a point where we dont want anymore haste?
sick sentinel
I donāt want to ask a dumb question. But how much of each stay should we have?
exotic spoke
Yes fbs - but we havenāt reached it yet
distant crystal
not really, but there may be a point where you're comfortable with your haste and would prefer crit
hard sigil
haha ok thx š
exotic spoke
@sick sentinel there arenāt any caps per say
hard sigil
yea dunno got around 1,9k and i dont feel like i need more
sick sentinel
Ok cause I read haste ,Vers, master, crit then strength does this sound good.
wispy plume
Ughhhhhh
distant crystal
mostly just rock the highest ilvl you got and prefer items with haste as a tie breaker
exotic spoke
Then go ahead and swap to other stats fbs. But know that unless you have 100% uptime on shield block / last stand you can use more š
It is however a trade off
@sick sentinel that is the survivability priority assuming equal Ilvl
sick sentinel
Ok
wispy plume
@sick sentinel Strength is usually the best in most case. Additionally more strength generally means more armor and more stam. So wear highest ilvl. Haste while great shouldnāt be prioritized over ilvl. Secondly you can stack haste vers but generally speaking in a dungeon setting haste crit is going to give you more parry on mobs and more damage.
You can run haste crit or haste vers in raid but honestly I just run crit for the damage in raid.
warm plinth
Strength isn't the best stat. We use higher ilevel because it has more total stats.
exotic spoke
The guide is from a standpoint of focusing on survivability. A lot of us here have swapped to focusing on dps
Hence why we go for haste / crit
junior ivy
crit?
exotic spoke
Yup
junior ivy
weird
exotic spoke
More dps. And in m+, due too the number of mobs / inbound attacks, parry rng tends to be normalized
distant crystal
and when you parry a berserker bleed in KR
exotic spoke
Wait. I thought thatās why we bring DHs?
warm plinth
^ this tbh
exotic spoke
Whatās a pet class?
sand egret
DH's are basically pet to any class anyway...Annoyingly pull aggro when you don't want them too, basically don't take ambient damage, their movement is flippant and will most likely pull mobs when you don't want them too. I see no difference.
sand egret
solid point
exotic spoke
What?
void berry
Hey bois. Overwhelming power, good or not ?
warm plinth
Great. If you have it available, you should pick it.
exotic spoke
OP OP
void berry
Ok nice
It's either this or gutripper
Ok next choice, brace for impact (got one already) or undulating tides. Raid setting.
exotic spoke
Defensive oriented or offensive oriented
void berry
Ehhhh I don't really know. Probably defensive, as I'll solo soak Sivara's hit.
exotic spoke
Pretty sure we favor our traits over anything else defensively.
It the reverberating smash isnāt blockable
But the*
void berry
That's pretty true
So better take the other that'll give me a shield
And more damage
wide vapor
is there any tank that's performing particularly well right now?
exotic spoke
I donāt remember what undulating tides does off hand. And thatās only one boss
@wide vapor what content? And yes - pretty much all of them lol
wide vapor
that's good to hear. Mythic+ and Raid
exotic spoke
All are doing well im m+. Warriors are still very strong and possibly top
wide vapor
I have a warrior and monk at 120 atm
lusty grotto
you're asking the prot warrior discord
just for context
this is not the tank comparison discord
exotic spoke
Monk for raid warrior for m+ imo. Though warriors are still really good for raid
lusty grotto
so your answers will be biased
wide vapor
I'm aware, Nimchip.
exotic spoke
For context The resto Druid I play with for raids and keys (2500 last season - just giving info) hates healing monks in keys but loves warriors
wide vapor
alright cool, thanks
exotic spoke
Youāre welcome man
rapid jewel
today was a good day
exotic spoke
Ok ice cube
rapid jewel
7 itemlevel in one raidnight
exotic spoke
I despise you and your kind
I dunno. Iām debating stopping raiding and solely focusing on keys. Having more fun there and have to deal with less stupidity
rapid jewel
I prefer raiding, I like the controled slow playstyle more then the hectic agrressive playstyle from m+
rapid jewel
yeah raidlead is a shit job
modern brook
Do it riki
exotic spoke
Plus, after a bout of dealing with depression - from a few years ago and getting back up and healthy I need to lose a lot of weight.
Like 70-100 pounds. To get back to where I was and healthy.
So I started to join my friends in the military for their morning PT at 530
modern brook
Raids are only good for azerite for keys
exotic spoke
2 mornings a week so far, and 1 morning on weekend.
530 when Iām up u til 1230 dealing with post raid shit is a lot
modern brook
Fuck that shit dude
exotic spoke
Nah man. Itās time to get back to 220 ish
modern brook
No I meant post raid shit
exotic spoke
Friends are helping me. I wonāt waste their time. And I will not inconvenience them by asking them to change
modern brook
Ita a game let the nerds who dont care about their personal health discuss how to press the pots button
exotic spoke
Ohh yeah, thatās the life of leadership. Just cause raid ends doesnāt mean your role ends.
Lol, itās managing people and personality.
Not strats for me
lusty grotto
if you want my opinion
exotic spoke
Raid leader makes the call - right or wrong publicly I support him.
But after we discuss the call and maybe modify it
lusty grotto
you're on that corner because you have recruiting problems
exotic spoke
Of course nim
lusty grotto
otherwise you would have kicked personalities fast
exotic spoke
Yes and no
lusty grotto
and you dont really need to have that inconvenience if you had a healthy roster/recruits
that's the life of an alliance guild man
and especially on an empty server like yours
exotic spoke
Itās a problem of our creation. And recruiting doesnāt help.
Servers dead - but too much history to abandon it
Sunk cost fallacy
Oh I agree. So we change the atmosphere and cultivate or temporarily retire again
lusty grotto
i really do hope
that blizzard does some cross faction raiding shit
its kinda sad on alliance side for sure
limiting players to factions and to realms had its place
exotic spoke
Just fucking merge more servers
lusty grotto
it really shouldn't happen anymore
exotic spoke
We shouldnāt be the only guild ON THE FUCKINT SERVER IN MYTHIC and not even completing it
rough stump
So maybe they want chumps like me spending that dinero
modern brook
30%more azerite from raid bosses for alliance
rough stump
Lmao
empty spire
mental scarab
whats our best ST potion?
exotic spoke
Empowered
For m+
Superior for single I believe
But yeah nim. We have 4-5 people that could easily get into cutting edge, early cutting edge at that, guilds
5-8 more that could get into ones that are consistently able to get cutting edge at the end (where I put myself)
And 10 or so players that maybe can do low to mid mythic. As the best possible group on server
Please Blizz - letting people transfer at Will fucking destroyed small servers
Sorry. Off my soapbox for now
rough stump
It was a good cause man no worries
Also good luck with getting fit, Riki! I committed to it a while ago and nothing beats making those goals :-)
exotic spoke
I get great and terrible after day 1
Great that I started my day that way and accomplished something but I was gassed!
rough stump
It such a cliche, but it really does get easier eventually. There's nothing to say that you haven't heard but that feeling eventually becomes like a second wind as you get used to it. And as the endorphins do their thing
exotic spoke
Well, yeah, and having someone to pushbyou just beyond your limits helps
rough stump
Well you have an audience with me fam, pm me with that progress if you need someone to hear you
unborn island
TIL emissaries interact with sanguine š
rough stump
Rip
exotic spoke
Oh I wil. I have two friends helping out.
One i join for her morning PT and she definitely plays up the sexism side of ādonāt let yourself get beat by a womanā - sheās like 5 foot 2
The other for weight lifting / conditioning
unborn island
immortal void emissary after rezan on a pile of dead saurids
exotic spoke
Thatās a RIP
sand egret
Riki, you need to respond everytime to that by saying, "PSH, I KNOW how to Ignore Pain" and do another rep.
rough stump
Haha truu
exotic spoke
Do they drop sanguine too?
sand egret
saurids do
unborn island
emissaries don't i think
sand egret
oh I dont think they do
unborn island
but i was too traumatised to form memories š
rough stump
"I can block pain AND thots"
exotic spoke
Ha!
sand egret
go into that burn rep by saying "Poppin' Shield Wall"
exotic spoke
Nah, I wouldnāt do that in a naval training facility
sand egret
bet you'll get a few people looking over at you like...."but that wasn't reactive..."
and you'll have a new friend!
always love finding closet-WoW'ers in the wild
exotic spoke
At 530 am in a military gym?
sand egret
you'd be surprised
i actually raided with a few people in the military back when I did.
turns out having downtime works well with WoW š
exotic spoke
lol, yeah I do too. But still itās a funny thought
sand egret
I also make veiled WoW-jokes/puns in the wild. It's pretty easy to see who actually gets it
full crane
hey guys whats is better? (OBS: i am not doing raid, so i can't up the alchemist stone.
sand egret
personally, id run the comp/turbo-charger. thats a lot of haste haha
not sure on the proc rate of the turbo-charger tho
warm plinth
@exotic spoke Emissaries don't do any on-death affixes because they never actually die. Even the ones you "kill" just teleport out.
exotic spoke
You donāt die
warm plinth
exotic spoke
legal disclaimer - that statement was made with no factual basis and was intended as a joke
strong forum
So uh
warm plinth
I actually don't mind tides being affected by sanguine but kinda crap that voids are tbh.
strong forum
Do emissaries heal off of sanguine
warm plinth
Apparently they do.
strong forum
FUCK BEGUILING
exotic spoke
M+ is love. M+ is life
strong forum
M+ LITERALLY DEAD
exotic spoke
Beguiling is kinda cool
sand egret
let's be real. Sanguine is the bastard here.
strong forum
Na beguiling is
warm plinth
It's really not that bad. Just hope void week never lines up with sang lol
sand egret
it's a dumb affix that forces the tank to play MS Paint
exotic spoke
Nah, sanguine has always been aids
strong forum
No cuz you could always move shit out of it
Buy now we have stationary cunt busters
That just 'LAMO LEMME HEAL'
exotic spoke
So focus thekndowj first? The only stationary one is void
sand egret
stationary cunt bastards were still a thing. Just a dumb affix made worse
warm plinth
I'd probably pull out of LoS if possible rather than burn void since they have high health.
warm plinth
But depends on how controlled your ST burst is
sand egret
ahem I was referring to the generic. If I was talking about you, i'd say Mr. Stationary Cunt Bastard
thank you very much.
warm plinth
Assuming gender in 2019 š¤
exotic spoke
Ah ok thanks
warm plinth
lol
exotic spoke
Lol
strong forum
Pretty sure I said cunt buster
exotic spoke
Giggity
warm plinth
Except you can't knock voids out of sanguine :p
onyx abyss
Then dont kill stuff on the void emmy
warm plinth
That's my pro strat
rapid jewel
is queen azshara bugged? this and last week in p4 she didnt give any tank stacks at all.
onyx abyss
They changed it so that debuff is a mythic only mechanic for the tanks
torn gust
430 rezans or 430 socket vial for m+
onyx abyss
Use both!
prisma obsidian
anyone know what kind of threat % increase we are getting at 50/55/65 neck level?
not major but just interesting.
prisma obsidian
node meaning major and minor nodes?
prisma obsidian
cool, appreciate it.
upper spoke
What's needed to get Grand Challenger's Bounty? for rank 3 of Anima of Life and Death
What about R3 of Vision of Perfection?
warm plinth
Grand Challenger's Bounty is the Mythic+ weekly cache.
You need 15 Focused Life Anima that drop from the weekly cache to get rank 3. If you do a +10 each week (doesn't have to be timed), you'll have it in 3 weeks.
Rank 3 of Vision is obtained by getting an item from King Mechagon after you've obtained Rank 2. Normal mode gives 1, hard mode gives 2 (need 4 total for rank 3). So it'll take you somewhere between 2 and 4 weeks after obtaining Rank 2.
upper spoke
oh ok. i was afraid grand challenger's was a pvp thing
so cool 1-2 more mechagon runs in normal mode and ill check the # of focused life animas in my inventory. ty
exotic spoke
@upper spoke what do you have for vision so far?
exotic spoke
Have you done mechagon this week?
And started getting any of the items for rank 3 yet?
half jewel
What do u guys think about these trinkets?
I currently have 410 Rezans, 410 Idol of Ind Cons, Phial of the Arcane and 445 Briny Barnacle. I've got 39% haste with 5 stacks of talent. So I feel like rezans is overkill at this point. Idol is what I like for M+ healing. Phial seems like it could be good but idk if its worth it as prot. Which leaves me with barnacle.
exotic spoke
It does willow
steel helm
got socketed Chain of Suffering, contemplating devs 5Head design
merry cave
Just get the revered mecha trinket š¤Ø
warm dawn
what do you think is the best wrist : 440 crit mastery or 430 crit vers + socket ?
umbral forge
@sick sentinel The tank that tanknotes told me to bench is now banned from the guild š¢
warm plinth
I wouldn't drop more than 5 ilevels on an armor piece for a socket @warm dawn Go for the 440
sick sentinel
BANNED FROM THE GUILD LMAO
warm dawn
thank @warm plinth
long ermine
these are my choices for essences atm.... what should i be using? I only have 1 minor slot open
warm plinth
For what, M+? Raid?
long ermine
raid
warm plinth
Probably go with Crucible+Lucid for DPS, and maybe Anima+Lucid for survival?
long ermine
i'm about to go bang my head against the wall on azshara normal
warm plinth
My best guess. I don't think worldvein is worth much as a minor until rank 3 when it can proc more often.
warm dawn
lucid and resonance if your raid use it
long ermine
rallying cry then use anima
steel helm
nobody uses worldvein in pugs, don't even try it, w/o r3 its just not worth
long ermine
nod
i just literally got it
rank 2 is in 12 hours
welp might not be raiding tonight... our other tank went MIA
exotic spoke
Thatās a RIP
steel helm
tbh if you can't get vision (but you really should try, it has amazing synergy with az) id roll memory major and crucible/gift(if you have problems with spike dmg) minor
memory major has pretty strong potential as a defensive
sick sentinel
it's bad
warm plinth
How is memory major a defensive? You can't get more than 1.3 casts of IP at once. Most of the rage you generate during that 15 second period is going to be wasted on overcapping IP or used on Revenge š¤
steel helm
yeah, because theres never a high damage scenario where yo uwould deplete 2-3 IPs back to back š¤
sick sentinel
memory of lucid dreams is one of the worst majors as prot
warm plinth
That's still a stretch to call it a defensive in a general sense.
sick sentinel
it doesn't do anything
steel helm
Well no shit theres better stuff, but dude has potato r1 garbage in his name
exotic spoke
Crucible as major then
Thatās better defensively than lucid
AND itās offensive. Itās versatile
steel helm
Meh id still get lucid so i have its minor effect and get crucible minor, overall hps should be better i reckon
formal rune
Yeah I find I have way to much rage with lucid even in the minor
torn agate
hey guys, new to PROT warrior here, should I use all charges of Shield Block when available or only use it when the buff goes down?
sick sentinel
Crucible major dreams minor is the play
exotic spoke
Sorry. Thatās a no boss. Lucid in minor is way better suited to what we need and crucible in major
sick sentinel
Anything else is straight up wrong
warm plinth
Either is fine, as long as you're not using it unnecessarily @torn agate
Like you can use all 3 charges at once, if you know you need all 3 charges
But if you end up not tanking for 6 seconds at some point during that, you just wasted a charge
exotic spoke
Iām with kaege here
sick sentinel
If you're not tanking for 3 seconds it's a a waste
exotic spoke
Lucid as major honestly get like a waste of a gcd tonuse
sick sentinel
If you play your cards right you can do 4 sbs in a row
warm plinth
He's new to prot Kaege. Don't overcomplicate it lol
Start telling the guy to let it drop for a second between autos and shit and you're gonna confuse him
exotic spoke
Lol
sick sentinel
If the boss casts for like 3 seconds
Example last boss atal
She's casting the stacking thing
Dont cast sb there
warm plinth
You're a stacking thing
steel helm
honestly all this info is greatly detailed in the icy-veins guide
It is important to understand the difference between overall Shield Block Icon Shield Block uptime and effective uptime. You want to have as much effective Shield Block uptime as possible. All that means is having Shield Block up when you are tanking something that actually melees you.
check it out @torn agate
empty inlet
At what point loyal is better than bastion
sick sentinel
4 other people using it
terse dragon
Is crucible major for raid?
warm plinth
How much mastery is that at 445 with 4 people?
sick sentinel
It's a bit less than bastion but it has 100% uptime
@terse dragon it just sims higher
Depends what you want
I got vop anyway
vernal vale
Whats the thought on a Dreams End compared to the Paralytic Barb?
empty inlet
do you guys use unbridle or strnth potion š¤
timber nest
warm plinth
Strength potion. Or empowered proximity if facing 4+ targets.
empty inlet
š¤ most log i see are using unbridle
warm plinth
Guessing for ST DPS
lusty grotto
why would
a pug RL
want to drain runes on azhara
smh
not the power rune
we weren't even in p4
just imagine, its a pug and people are dumb enough not to recharge them
but you can most certainly count on at least 2 or 3 that will drain power
so toxic
lusty grotto
that hasn't changed from 8.1
if you have RF it will do the most dmg
if you don't then no
chrome falcon
RF?
lusty grotto
raging flurry
chrome falcon
beats BoM for ST dps? i could drop 2 BoM for 2 RF
got Dream's End too so i guess it must do
long ermine
there we go finally got a good mechagon group.... one shot everything on "normal"
lusty grotto
you can do TC + RF
chrome falcon
we're talking about treach cov?
chrome falcon
we can sim things now?
lusty grotto
how long have you been away
chrome falcon
i haven't been in the discord since, like, dazaralor launch
chrome falcon
oh well i'll just go sim then lol
vivid sparrow
I do m+ only. I see wowhead says mastery=haste is top stats. But Iām starting to think my mastery is getting too high. Iām currently at 42% mastery and 19% haste. Crit is 13% and vers 7%. All my enchants are haste and gems. My question:: should I start trading out some mastery pieces with gear that has vers or crit?
lusty grotto
wowhead is not our guide
either way
as long as you're not sacrificing ilvl over any of the stats, you're fine
vivid sparrow
Well I got 2 pair of 435 bracers. One has Mastery and the other has vers. So thatās mainly why I ask
lusty grotto
whats your primary content?
vivid sparrow
All I do is m+
vivid sparrow
No I only have 1 bastion
lusty grotto
just unlucky drops or?