Hard mode isn't bad
#protection
exotic spoke
warm plinth
He's talking about you basing any decision on what Nerfclap is doing.
lusty grotto
thanks for letting us know how hard you follow leechclap
exotic spoke
did it in about an hour and 20 after raid
orchid token
That's an hour and fifteen longer than I'm willing to spend on content that has nothing else to offer
maybe if you got more out of rank 3 it wouldn't feel so bad but honestly it gives almost no benefit over rank 2 so it's just not worth doing
exotic spoke
Its fun to challenge yourself?
Its fun to be able to sell that and get gold for the mount?
full tendon
Ooo I restored a trinket and I'm dumb yawwwn
inland mesa
warm plinth
lol, yes you do.
undone sun
could have just said you restored it, because you restored it based on nerf is why there's flame
full tendon
I would do that too
warm plinth
Best title ever.
exotic spoke
Only if you're trash. Which is why I want it ghash
full tendon
I saw it restored it asked what people thought about it
undone sun
not amazing
warm plinth
If it's your highest ilevel trinket by a lot, it's worth using. Otherwise it's meh.
full tendon
Have like a howler not much else dps wise
warm plinth
What's in your other slot?
warm plinth
Oh okay. Yeah just use howler and mecha trink
Unless barnacle is a lot higher than Jes?
full tendon
Same ilvl
warm plinth
Yeah definitely Jes then
full tendon
Barnicle seems to be good if you can splash it
lusty grotto
there are
full tendon
But that's so u reliable
quasi yacht
whgat do you like nim?
full tendon
A shitload of trinks I dont have atm
warm plinth
Yeah it's just not very good. It's just easier to see how much damage you're doing with trinkets like Barnacle, whereas Jes is kind of invisible
lusty grotto
plenty in raid to choose from
warm plinth
So it stands out more
lusty grotto
plus block + rezan
exotic spoke
gore crusted butchers block is prettyyyy good.
full tendon
Would love a block
exotic spoke
Maybe I should get my 440 Venom trinket back I scrapped 
warm plinth
Merektha? lol
full tendon
Ewwww
warm plinth
Why do you hate Blade?
exotic spoke
Yeah that. Well it was that. until I got expulsom about 5 minutes after getting it
cause I blame him for that trash
full tendon
Lol
exotic spoke
he got something good and I get... that
quasi yacht
marekthas fang eww lol
fair crystal
Please help a feel i know the answer but not 100% what rings ?
exotic spoke
What do you think the answer is?
fair crystal
the 2 415s
warm plinth
440+ cursed lover's
exotic spoke
Prioritize haste, and the most haste, on equal ilvl. Otherwise prioritize ilvl
warm plinth
Also you're a murky cerulean Riki
fair crystal
even with rings yeah
warm plinth
I'm bad though 🤔
exotic spoke
No one calls me that and gets away with it.
Don't worry... I am too
warm plinth
undone sun
huge
fair crystal
chur chur yeah I know most my values and didn't think I gain that much from crit / mastery and didn't think the stams gonna help that much. cheers team.
warm plinth
I made that +3 my bitch
exotic spoke
I'm terrible
warm plinth
That's actually disgusting. You should be ashamed.
warm plinth
It'll be okay
exotic spoke
Keystone conquerer by next week or riot
exotic spoke
I mean anima of life and death rank 4 would be cool
exotic spoke
No Asmovoll
full tendon
Rip
warm plinth
You forgot to answer his other question.
broken ledge
Is bloodmallet reliable for prot dps trinkets?
sick sentinel
@quasi yacht @fallow patrol hi I was scrolled up.
supposing you're always equipping the highest ilvl you wanna go haste>crit>vers>mastery for mplus and haste>vers>mastery>crit for raids
But the raids don't really do damage we just gear dor mythic plus
"I made that +3 my bitch"
I love you ghash
sick sentinel
🙏 for good weekly
leveled up my warrior up to 120 like 5h ago
hopefully trinket 🙏
Or a shield
i was amazed
i tanked fh +10
as 389 prot
with legendary ring from legion equipped
because i had no other ring to use
Lmao
How did it go
+1
timed
i used every cd on trash packs to survive
group dps was high enough so that helped
You are supposed to be using cds
All the time
i mean
That's how the spec works
i used it literally every pack
even on 3-4 mobs
because i was dying in seconds xD
And yeah it makes sense
got the weapon and cloak tho
Not even socketed smh
fuck that
Gems cost like 50 gold
im getting 455 ring in 15min from weekly anyway
gearing alts this patch is pretty good
just the neck grind..
ugh
It's not the neck even
It's the essences
should've been account wide
no reason to grind exalted rep again once you've done it on main
To be fair, you don't need r3 of most essences
R2 is most often more than enough
And there are easy-to-get essences for most specs
what do prots even use
vision in major ?
It might not be absolutely best in slot but good enough
crystal dirge
vision+lucid for most part Ive seen
sick sentinel
Vision major lucid minor
yeah thats okay
vision is super easy to get rank2
lucid too
if you have rank 3 null you can use that as well
crystal dirge
would you guys consider nullification/vision for SotS ML etc?
sick sentinel
Vision null yes
Null vision no
1min for weekly
pog
huh
told ya im getting ring
what is it
shit one but i guess better than leggo from legion
it's not bad it has high crit
went from 389 to 401ilvl
oh fuck
crystal dirge
440 shield bois
sick sentinel
turned honorbound emissary
crystal dirge
vers mast
shell dagger
oO
crystal dirge
ehhhh the 445 azerite doesnt have BoM...
crystal dirge
around that yes, it's bloodsport-blightborne-gutripper-vampiric
not as bad as it could be I guess
random dock
Which weapon enchant do we use these days?
crystal dirge
we had a discussion with quick maths the other they and we settled on Force Multiplier I believe
random dock
Cheers! I recall reading that here earlier yeah, couldn't remember the name 😃
rapid tide
Gale-Force + Za'Qul axe + Jaina trinket + Devastator 🤔
mint glen
hello, why everybody likes vision like major essence? I think it is not good enough no? It usually proc when you dont need it, you dont have buffs from azerite traits no?
strong forum
You DO get the buff from traits
sick sentinel
do you have rank 2?
sick sentinel
I was doing a dungeon yesterday and the hunter in my mplus group said "can you go for a single dungeon without talking about how much you love vision of perfection?"
mint glen
about that azerite traits was some recent change? Because when I tested it I didnt get ignore pain
mint glen
aaah so not full buff but 35% of it?
sick sentinel
but if it extends your normal avatar
you get full buff
also, can any other essence do this?
sick sentinel
yes I forget how being outside of avatar feels like
sick sentinel
you're gonna miss it lmao
stark ruin
I don't know, I'm a mediocre tank at best and VoP is the best thing since gladiator stance for me
strong forum
Like I only get 55-60% uptime on Avatar according to details which feels incredibly meh
sick sentinel
so you're telling me you are not noticing you are getting 32 second avatars?
sick sentinel
I am regurarly getting at least one extention every avatar
stark ruin
I get at least one usually
sick sentinel
are you pressing avatar when you have a vop proc?
stark ruin
And by the time avatar runs out, the next is less than 20 seconds away
strong forum
I press Avatar when it's off CD
sick sentinel
because you have to wait until your vop proc is out and then press it
strong forum
Period
sick sentinel
well sucks to be you lmao
strong forum
Like I said
I don't notice the procs
Whatsofuckingever
And I never used it in raid yet
sick sentinel
you're clearly doing something wrong idk
strong forum
I have 55-60% uptime according to details
sick sentinel
I get about there as well but I have it when I need it
strong forum
But the only time I remember having avatar is when I actually press it
sick sentinel
like I pop avatar on pull
strong forum
And never get it when I need it
sick sentinel
and I see the combat timer
we're at 40 seconds in the pull
and that's when it falls off
strong forum
Doesn't feel remotely like that to me
rapid jewel
which one: https://i.imgur.com/euJry4q.png
rapid jewel
both are
rapid jewel
yeah sadly yes
brittle owl
not sadly
oblique garnet
its not too bad on st
brittle owl
it's really good on st
it's better now than it has ever been, the dot scales really well with ilvl
rapid jewel
ok, thx
mortal carbon
:pogU
novel temple
I’d have gone with blood siphon
sick sentinel
same
novel temple
Or is the carapace actually good now?
sick sentinel
carapace is worse than ever tbh
novel temple
It’s just the pure armor one, right
sick sentinel
yeah
novel temple
Eewwwwwww
sick sentinel
and a little bit of damage reflect
strong forum
I'd have gone with globules
sick sentinel
fuck globules
novel temple
Wait are the globules good?
strong forum
Rn I care more about parsing than m+
novel temple
Hmmmm
strong forum
They're OK in m+ too
novel temple
So leech build all the way 🤔
strong forum
Leech... Lamo
sick sentinel
parsing raids is a completely different game nome
and goes agaist prot gearing
completely
so don't even talk about it
also raid does no damage to you anyway except unblockable stuff
so why even bother gearing for it
strong forum
If I don't get an orange parse I feel unaccomplished
strong forum
I just don't like blood siphon either
sick sentinel
except if he specifically asks you for it
strong forum
That's an incredibly minor difference
novel temple
Now I’d use it to parse in raids
inner bear
this trinket thingy get´s more an more complicated every week.. sustain.. deeps.. shield.. onuse.. x.x
novel temple
But I’m also lazy af when it comes to reforming Azeroth traits
sick sentinel
if you wanna raid parse you go different talents/benthic/different azerite
just fucking sim if you wanna parse in raid
strong forum
Na fuck benthic
inner bear
help Kaege senpai
strong forum
I'm not living that meme life
sick sentinel
then you care about one thing and you are bad at it
nice one nome
you have the 2 next defensive trinkets equipped
best*
what do you need help with
strong forum
Na I'm getting oranges, no need for benthic
sick sentinel
@inner bear alchemy stone+gore block for mpluis
novel temple
So is edict completely worthless then?
sick sentinel
azshara looks boring speaking of
@sick sentinel urchin is arguably better than prism
novel temple
Or is it gonna be spicy for arena
inner bear
thank you.. again 😄
sick sentinel
what ilvl is your shield
novel temple
400
sick sentinel
oh so you don't have a shield
novel temple
Pretty much
sick sentinel
that's the problem
sick sentinel
shield block can't help you if you don't have a shield equipped
novel temple
Nothing wants to drop for me
novel temple
I have been
novel temple
Besides the higher m+s
sick sentinel
I don't care what your character sheets says
novel temple
It’s actually not
sick sentinel
and no willow
we don't do that
you can't drop ilvl for block, Kage
it isn't possible
you can
novel temple
I thought you were funny willow
sick sentinel
with azerite
@novel temple thyme gets mad when I meme about leech
thyme?
do you mean
literally everyone?
mh how strong do you guys think is the ashwind def trinket?
don't say that word again, it's banned
leech
@sick sentinel can you send a screenshot of it
should be mom
novel temple
@sick sentinel not as much as others have gotten
sick sentinel
but has german tooltip 😄
I don't hang around here often
oh fuck
wait then
what's the english name of it
I remember people tilted at rads for insinuating that leech is actually valuable on items with low stat budget
yes on healers
not my argument
he said he drops ring ilvl sometimes
I have dropped 5 ilvls for leech on a ring
its Bloodthirsty Urchin
urchin is arguably one of the best purely defensive trinkets you can currently get
strong forum
Leech is insane for healers
strong forum
One of the best stats for healers
sick sentinel
there's a healer in BDG or method whose #3 healing was from leech
he had that much
well it does cap at 20%
but you need 9 items with leech for that
or 8 if they are high ilvl
he has like 4 to 6
all the healers in my guild hover around 10%
and any item that drops with leech goes to a healer
and items healers get that they can trade and it doesn't have leech on it they trade it away
also healers can soak a bubble from ashvane since they leech themselves up
nice
frigid jewel
Hello there !
I was just wondering, I have the urchin, but as other trinket what would be cool? The one you can have on the council, the one on Mechagone or Opulence's trinket (or another one)?
sick sentinel
well you make descisions on what youhave
and what ilvl you have it
and what type of content you are doing
and what level of content you are doing
stuck crown
so if I'm getting 96% on azshara in survivability but 10% on damage done
What does that mean? Am I bad?
sick sentinel
and how much gear you have over that content
@stuck crown where are you seeing this
sick sentinel
what do you mean 96% for surv
stuck crown
basically hps
sick sentinel
especially for prot warrior
void berry
Does it tho ? :kappa:
stuck crown
I mean this obviously means I dont know my dps rotation
sick sentinel
hit slam on cd
when you can't slam clap
when you can't clap and revenge is free revenge
when nothing of the above devastate
stuck crown
I mean I know that...
frigid jewel
About the trinkets, I meant mostly for raiding nm/hm (sorry I didn't precised) and also a bit of MM+
But you talked about ilvl, I guess trinkets below 390 aren't worthy
sick sentinel
then it's a gear/weapon ilvl/azerite thing
and trinkets ofc
also if you press buttons harder you do more damage
void berry
I'm so the opposite of you, Hit. I'm full sub 10% HPS and ok dps parse.
stuck crown
I think its my azerite and although I know my rotation when I get in these high mobility fights and im dragging a boss around
I brain fart on what's available. I think I need one of those cooldown notifiers
frigid jewel
- How do you play war prot?
- Destroy your keyboard
😂
stuck crown
The Oh shit button is pressing all the buttons at once
frigid jewel
Hit, do you use weak aura?
frigid jewel
It can help to advise you for instance if revenge is free or thunder clap not on CD
stuck crown
frigid jewel
This one seems to be for fury
https://wago.io/ProtectionWarrior_Khakhan
I use this one (I modified some things on that one, but I think it's still a good base)
stuck crown
its OK that last update was a while ago?
rapid tide
Afenar does work for Prot, too, however I feel it's mostly lacking some useful info.
And the useful info is obscured by less useful info.
frigid jewel
The prot didn't have change since the last update so yup 😃
rapid tide
But that's personal preference 🤷
Mhm. Question myself, looking for a second trinket next to Rezan's For M+ atm. I can't decide whether I want to run Urchin, not sure if the healing is required or if I want to go with a more offensive option
stuck crown
Offense man
rapid tide
I have considered Gore-Crusted.
frigid jewel
Yes I might try hard again with this damn trinket
rapid tide
I would love Jaina I guess but HC version is probably just not doing it anymore? And cba pugging mythic jaina (and don't think I could either :' ) )
stuck crown
Merektha's Fang isnt bad
rapid tide
Oh, that could work, too I guess.
frigid jewel
I figured that maybe having 2 defensive trinkets for MM+/raid would be nice as well
rapid tide
It depends, hardly ever feel like I need more defensives.
stuck crown
Bloodthirsty Urchin is the reason im 96% in hps
frigid jewel
I used to have Merektha's fang but I found it pretty bad
rapid tide
Damage intake is goign to be so high depending on key level that you have to kite anyways.
sick sentinel
wrong
rapid tide
3k more hps or sth won't help there.
stuck crown
i had to kite in SOTS on a 14 today
rapid tide
Idk, was kiting a fair bit this id on Siege 15 when pulling a bit bigger.
Definitely could not have facetanked that me thinks.
frigid jewel
😮
stuck crown
ur healer is a god
oblique garnet
just died alot 8)
stuck crown
lmao
rapid tide
I mean, there is certainly a possibility for this to work if your healer is doing great and you are doing, too.
sick sentinel
trash was easy lmao
spice ferry
Just shield block 🤷
rapid tide
I just know that at my current gear when packs have multiple casters and a tides.
I definitely kite when they enrage
:' )
sick sentinel
either you or healers
spice ferry
Nerfclap also does pulls basically none of us could achieve because of his group
stuck crown
get off the high horse
sick sentinel
nerfclap plays the dungeon
rapid tide
From a simple perspective, when I stand still with Bolster and die in 3-4s, how can I improve the situation without kiting?
sick sentinel
not the spec
stuck crown
ivory tower doesn't look good on this chat channel
sick sentinel
knowing how to play the dungeon/what to pull/ when to pull it/where to pull it
is what makes somebody do high keys
rapid tide
Okay, example from Siege yday then.
frigid jewel
Talinkg about MM+, I guess that the fact I have troubles to take back the aggro when the dps aggro before me is because I lack dps myself?
rapid tide
We pulled the pack in front of 2nd boss with spotter. Basically the pack in the middle and the marauders to the sides, aiming to kill them all with spotter.
void berry
If you're losing aggro as a war tank there's an issue indeed.
sick sentinel
his shieldblock uptime is bad, he takes unblocked hits all the time, he is pressing ignore pain over shieldblock badly
rapid tide
I bolstered, when they enraged I was going to 30% life in 1-2s
So I kited
We killed the pack.
Should I have stood still?
undone sun
no
sick sentinel
oh you pulled the 6 mobs that each one of them puts a stacking debuff that increases damage taken by 15%
rapid tide
Yes, I know.
undone sun
kiting isn't necessarily a bad thing
rapid tide
I know about the debuff.
stuck crown
what should I be aiming for in terms of shield block uptime %
sick sentinel
yes you kite that
sick sentinel
you also kite wicked frenzy from UR
stoic zenith
i checked the icy, is quick really still better than naga hide?
frigid jewel
It's not loosing it, it's to take it when they aggro before me (my guildmates sometimes are kamikazes)
rapid tide
I am not kiting for the sake of it, I just kite when I have the neccessity 😛
sick sentinel
if nobody can soothe it
you are supposed to kite magic damage buffs/unblockable damage
if you can't stun/fear/spell reflect it
stuck crown
some adds were meant to kite
rapid tide
AD e.g. I would kite almost nothing, on the one hand not too much kiteable there on the other fking over my melees by not taking shield bashes etc does not help either.
sick sentinel
but if you have to kite because you are not pressing shieldblock, get out
rapid tide
Ye, 100% agreed.
sick sentinel
for example a bad tank will kite berserkers in KR
stuck crown
well dont get out... just press shield block
sick sentinel
because hur durr the bleed stacks
rapid tide
All I was trying to say is that there are situations where I simply feel forced into kiting 😄
Like e.g. heavy magical, healer being stunned, Tide packs etc.
sick sentinel
or you know, you can storm bolt the berserker when the bleed has 3 sec left in the duration
and not stack it
rapid tide
You can't tho.
Because your pugged outlaw already stacked DR fully by using 4 BtEs on it
😉
sick sentinel
or move out so hunter pet/dh is closer and gets the bleed as well
literally move 10 yards away for 2 sec
and then go back to tanking
rapid tide
Oh ye, definitely.
I mean, we are saying the same thing here.
You can not say that you never have to kite.
But you should never kite when you don't need to
😛
sick sentinel
charge to healer, /dance, charge to mob
rapid tide
So with that being said, Merektha's Fang is decentish for DPS... mhm.
It's not like Cyclonic though cancelling my block while channeling, or? 😄
I considered Briny Barnacle.
Might work, too.
stoic zenith
inkpod for tyranical weeks, did almost 8%
rapid tide
Ouh, that could be juicy, too.
sick sentinel
mine did 5-6
rapid tide
It's STR main stat or?
sick sentinel
on the 18 tyrr freehold
little marsh
same here, the trinket that I cant fit in m+ is coral
sick sentinel
but I didn't get the 600k damage burst to crit
little marsh
is nice in bosses with inkpod but in pulls...
stoic zenith
was surprised how bad arcane is
frigid jewel
Also, what essence do you use on MM+?
rapid tide
I mean in pulls it would still at least do damage or?
sick sentinel
vision major lucid minor
rapid tide
Like if it procs <30% health it simply does the damage or?
sick sentinel
the main thing is it critting on bosses
sick sentinel
me and the DH used it and harlan went from 30% to 25%
without any of our inkpods critting
18tyrr harlan has 25m hp btw
rapid tide
:' )
frigid jewel
I also use vision but the anima seemss nice as well depending on the dungeon
void berry
Ok, trinket time ! I read some time ago that Edicts of the Faithless (Queen's Court's one) is not that great. Care to explain why, if it's still the general consensus ?
rapid tide
From my perspective the shield is... simply not that big. Also it's kinda like Prydaz in legion, it's a "burst shield" on a timer that you can't manipulate.
So it tends to proc exactly when you don't need it at all.
stoic zenith
vision has too many conditions, like it can weaken the ip you have up, you cant pop avatar if its procced or you lose time, i like to brainlet teir the play, so i can concentrate on the dung
sick sentinel
@void berry takes too long to charge up and there are better defensive options
also it doesn't do damage
so it's bad
stoic zenith
as for edicts, its better in m+, in raids diamond out absorbs it, in dungeons edicts does way better
void berry
Started this tier so won't have diamond.
sick sentinel
🎉
stoic zenith
im talking 400 diamond and 430 edicts, so 415 diamond probs better in all situations thining about it
void berry
If I wanna go for defensive it's basically this one or Ashvane's one.
frigid jewel
My diamond is 385 so a bit useless, no?
frigid jewel
Vision of demise is not the trinket with which you can suicide a mate?
sick sentinel
okay so if you sim vision of demise
is not that good
but
if you are a gamer
and you game the trinket
it's good
void berry
Nah Ama, it's the haste one.
644 haste every minute + 95 for every 10% hp missing on your target.
stoic zenith
am i missing something with quick still being recommended over naga hide?
tough vault
wait what
stoic zenith
what if raid healers are trash?
sick sentinel
idk tell them to play better
there is absolutely no reason to not play force multiplier untill it gets fixed
when it gets fixed
we will talk about other weapon enchants
stoic zenith
what is the 'bug' with it?
tough vault
smh im pepega. forgot to toggle the other enchants in raidbots
sick sentinel
it also undersims
because the bug is not applied into raidbots
okay so imagine your highest stat is haste
force multiplier procs
it gives you mainstat and haste
then you use avatar
now mastery is your highest stat
you are supposed to lose the haste buff from force multiplier and get a mastery buff
that is also what the sim does
but in game, you get the mastery buff and you keep the haste buff
undone sun
😮
stoic zenith
haha, get me on that force shit right quick lads
undone sun
masterpiece
sick sentinel
anda's painting skills btw
spice ferry
Goddam
sick sentinel
archimitros also has confirmed this
strong forum
How is that a bug, it just procs multiple ones no?
sick sentinel
yes but it checks all the time
for your highest stat
as fury I managed to get haste crit and mastery at the same time
I have a log of it as well
stoic zenith
gore bis tanking trinket because of a weap enchant xD
sick sentinel
it's bis tanking trinket for mplus anyway
the only content where tank gear matters
frigid jewel
Gore > Rezan's eye?
sick sentinel
argueable
sometimes
late will tell you yes
I will tell you no
the answer is depends
if you have nomeratur's gear and you have 2100 haste unbuffed
then goreblock definitelly
if you have my gear and you have 1100 haste
then rezans
frigid jewel
Talking about haste, is there a cap (like 30% as in Legion) ?
oblique garnet
No theres no cap in haste
sick sentinel
no caps
gotta go fast zoom zoom
and the 30% haste cap in legion was not even correct iirc
oblique garnet
its more like can you get 3x Shield blocks in a row if yes and are good and want more dps go crit
undone sun
correct, wasn't even a thing in legion
autumn pendant
Then how did it come to life in legion
undone sun
big memes
sick sentinel
AHEM LEECH
sick sentinel
raz
lucid bough
pretty sure conflict and strife is too op in this week m+ btw
sick sentinel
👉 🚪
lucid bough
no griefing at all
sick sentinel
you can't shush me get out
vivid sparrow
I know I suppose to try to keep SB up as close to 100% as possible. But should I be trying to stack and keep IP up as well
rapid tide
you should basically dump all excessive rage into IP if you defensively require it.
You can dump some into Revenge instead if damage intake is low and you are not overcapping/delaying more important casts.
e.g. at 80 Rage with Demo Shout up I would always dump into IP and Shout even when you don't really need the IP atm.
fluid parrot
Is it worth to replace the only Deafening Crash for +25 ilvl? it's said about +35 ilvl on icy veins but i'm curious. 25 ilvl for chest is 200 str, 400 stam, 150 armor
rapid tide
I personally wouldn't.
strong forum
Weird situation to be in
Tbh
Since theres so many sources of azerite of decent ilvl
rapid tide
Maybe you can grab a 415 piece on another slot from raid or sth. to cover for the moment?
Emissary etc.
strong forum
You're bound to have atleast 1
fluid parrot
ye, weird indeed, thx for your opinions, i ll consider to wear 405 i guess, before i find at least something with deafining clap to replace
stark ruin
Engi helm always offer DC, if you have engineering
It's not an optimal piece, but it has a nice haste or strength proc and some self heal too
and getting a 430 is trivial
sick sentinel
don't drop ilvl for dc
unless you are dropping a BoM+DC piece for one that has neither
stark ruin
run a few m0s, for example
or spam AD, it has both a 1hander and a shield
spamming AD is a good idea anyway
strong forum
M0 drops 400 ye
graceful cobalt
hi wich class is best on allianz for protection warrior? I think Human
remote tusk
I'd pick Dark Iron Dwarf or Gnome.
graceful cobalt
is the haste mastery versa buff not better?
undone sun
Passives are pretty marginal anyways
Races are generally picked for their actives
Nelf and dwarf are great in dungeons
graceful cobalt
thx
vital tree
cinder pasture
Nothing good in my chest, but this makes up for it 👍
brisk ferry
think they're the best possible option for gamble, right?
also good morning everyone
cinder pasture
No clue, I'm just happy it has bastion and a DC 😄
brisk ferry
Bury the Hatchet was so good with Reaping too, RIP
agile spruce
Just got shoulders at 445 with iron fortress and deafing clap when i had 420 with BoM and deafing =[ down to 1 bastion now
feelsbadman
chrome falcon
Got the BoM/Bloodsport/Ablative/VampSpeed shoulders, think it’s the best piece for m+? I might overvalue vamp speed
strong forum
Ablative is useless
brisk ferry
so is bloodsport
oblique garnet
Nom i have 2 445 pieces with CR/BS/DC :))))))
strong forum
Fun
strong forum
Now you can play revenge build
oblique garnet
no
chrome falcon
Wait I thought ablative was meant to be good
strong forum
:^)
You can do the math mattacate
You have 14k armor
And get 1.6k more on a 40sec CD
chrome falcon
I do not have 14k armour
strong forum
That's barely 10% which is actually only like 2% DR
chrome falcon
Do I? I don’t think I do (I’m out at lunch)
strong forum
At 415 you have 12k armor or smth
So getting a 10% armor proc as a class that has alot of armor is worthless
Ablative is good for bdk vdh and monk
But not for prot / bear
chrome falcon
Mmmmm this makes sense
One of the defensive traits is good though right? Am I thinking of the carapace,
strong forum
Since armor has diminishing return, resulting in the gained armor to be barely a damage reduction in reality , maybe like 1-2% for us
Carapace is garbage
chrome falcon
Or should I just take gutripper and do 50 more dps
brisk ferry
Gutripper is fine
chrome falcon
So are all the traits just total ass defensively
brisk ferry
mostly, and most of us dont play defensively
chrome falcon
I feel like some of the defensive ones used to be ok, am I actually just garbage
strong forum
We don't need defensive traits
As a class
Gemhide is only picked because of the avoidance for example
Not for the armor
chrome falcon
Yeah I normally play full greed dps but I think this tier might actually be hard so I’m playing safer for the sake of the guild
strong forum
Cuz 300 avoidance is a shitton ( or how much it acutally is)
chrome falcon
Cutting edge raider taking garbage traits btw
strong forum
The only traits you want defensively are block traits
Aka BfI / if
They gain alot of value in raiding
oblique garnet
nom only reason you have that much armor is because of your shield
chrome falcon
I must have checked my armour while I was fury then I don’t remember having anywhere near that much
Speaking of armour, can’t wait to get rank 3 raid essence tonight
sick sentinel
you mean rocky
chrome falcon
I wish we could summon rocky
willow scarab
You gotta play defensive for every boss after blackwater 😦
analog swift
wack
willow scarab
So you made the right choice 😃
exotic spoke
I regret all my life decisions that led up to me get the fang trinket in cache yesterday and no upgrade to my weapon so far this tier
willow scarab
If it makes you feel any better i got barnacle
exotic spoke
I mean - misery loves company.
But yesterday I had so many chances at good shit. 445 chest - blahhhh. Fang trinket.. zero useable loot from raid.
Did do mecha hard mode so that was cool though
willow scarab
I fully expect to get no loot this week from raid either
We can cry about it together
did you get mount?
exotic spoke
No, the spriest did.
Three tries on king mechagon. A stupid death to bugs on the trog boss, and an almost wipe on Kujo because of the movement speed debuff caused the boss to leap into a box - heating it up so we couldn’t hide behind it. Killed it with the rogue left
A perfect run Feels doable with no stupid mistakes
The real question - can we monetize it and sell the mount like we did with nightbane last expac.
shut summit
Prolly, always a buyer for stuff like that
strong forum
I got mount on 1st clear :^)
cinder roost
If you find a way to do the king sequence with a PU
willow scarab
I think you have enough time to do 2 inputs if you're a quick moving class
shut summit
Yea you can
willow scarab
I think the big money will be in selling undying achiev if you can manage it
willow scarab
nah not like that, the delay on those teleports will time it out
in one of our attempts we had a warlock just walk between them
realistically you could do it with 2 people
willow scarab
Oh we used discord
cinder roost
Yes ofc
willow scarab
So we just said the assigned colour
shut summit
Yea we've done it with just 2 people clicking
willow scarab
So you could click one then wait a second
shut summit
Each getting one side
willow scarab
If anything it's probably quicker/easier with 2 people
cinder roost
Little harder if it happen during the vortex though?
But depends people/classes
Btw are you guys replacing your benthic gear? This stuff is so idiotic
oblique garnet
What benthic LUL
cinder roost
Bracers & Boots
oblique garnet
Cba losing my mind over farming 1000 pearl to never get anything good
And no they are not better defensively
cinder roost
Who plays defensively 😃
oblique garnet
Also benthic is pointless in m+
sweet kettle
If i die i die
cinder roost
Well obviousIy I was talking in a raiding situation, to people that do some sort of mythic progress
void berry
k guys, do you think we can tank Sivara's tank buster with just IP + Block ?
void berry
- shout, maybe
cinder roost
You can
novel temple
Here’s the thing about hard mode mechagon
junior ivy
what is it
willow scarab
btw
junior ivy
fumeiyo
willow scarab
dog teeth
junior ivy
and how is it cooler than a crying cat in a cowboy hat
willow scarab
sometimes you just gotta mix it up
willow scarab
that's wholesome
novel temple
And it’ll be even easier to sell a “perfect” run than a “normal” hard mode run
willow scarab
also i have to go because i'm about to start a mecha clear
junior ivy
and let her chill for a while
then i took her outside and she flew away!
i think she was just disoriented from the impact
novel temple
Just use lust for every boss, pull most of the trash
oblique garnet
I dont think it will be easier to sell perfect run since the buyer also has to tag the bosses to get the achievement
junior ivy
whats a perfect run
oblique garnet
no death hardmode mechagon
warm plinth
@void berry you should be able to with demo. Saw a log of a guy who survived it with just block and a couple gemhide traits. It will hit hard though.
naive panther
@cinder pasture I had those shoulders last season as well as imo all the best other options. My first roll on chest this season is a chest without any bom. Feels bad.
exotic tiger
Should I take a second DC, or Meticulous Scheming?
oblique garnet
MS
exotic tiger
thought so
naive panther
I had double ms double op
warm plinth
Haste for days
novel temple
Also, does the mind control trinket work on mechagon trash
The pocket red card I should say
void berry
Ok Ghash. My RL wanna know 'cause he wanna cut most of the melee from the raid...
novel temple
Because that could open up some cheesing
void berry
I tell him it's damn risky but he wanna try.
cinder roost
Sivara's Crush in non-blockable btw, if you want to solo without wall/LS, make sure you are healthy, use demo and IP
cinder roost
You can also ask for external or split it with your co tank
Though sometimes you're not both near the boss
cinder roost
Of just turn it in the melee if you're afraid you're gonna die to it
warm plinth
Yeah sorry I didn’t mean to imply the block did anything. I was just saying he survived it basically with nothing lol
cinder roost
I was just pointing it out for optimization if you have to chose between block and IP when he cast 😉
But yeah it's not that hard to solo
void berry
Ok then I'll do that.
cinder roost
@void berry What's your co-tank ?
cinder roost
Well let him take all then haha
exotic spoke
@oblique garnet we weren’t looking at selling perfect - just the mount
exotic spoke
Yeah, just working out the details after the 5 of us get the mount
Sold nightbane for about 250 last expac
Servers dead; hard to get buyers - and really hard to do cross server now
oblique garnet
alot of people will want to buy the hardmode one because it also drops the 430 azerite
exotic spoke
Probably do the first 7 bosses ourselves. And then add them in before king mechagon
kind kestrel
Hey all. Are there any comprehensive guides to M+ tanking as a prot warrior or a tank in general that y'all recommend?
I am definitely the bottleneck in my 5 man group. I watch tons of Nerf's streams, but still struggle in some dungeons with some affixes
analog swift
which affixes
modern brook
which dungeons
Both of those questions are assuming the bog standard "are you playing your rotation correctly"
no amount of gimmick will make up stacking cooldowns or blocking during last stand etc
And if you need help with that, the icy veins guide is the go-to for info on prot as a spec (in comparison to say, prot as a m+ tank)
narrow sparrow
Frustrated and looking for help. Doing m+ last night I had a DPS who would blow Azerite focusing beam on pull for big packs and blow me out of the water threatwise. Any tips for snap threat? Thunderclap, revenge was not holding them.
warm plinth
Tell him not to use focusing iris on pull
warm plinth
Though they did just buff threat for tanks a bit (not sure if it's live already or not) to help with that. Not sure how much of a difference it'll make but it's something.
modern brook
Every other* ish Avatar should roughly line up with AFB vop ruins my concept of avatar up time
patent charm
someone in here used anima essence to help with keeping trash aggro
could look into it
modern brook
its not the most consistent but if youre not pugging you shuold be able to coordinate with your dps without wasting too much of the cd
and if u are pugging just dont invite him on the next key
🤷
warm plinth
With VoP, Ava has a 36ish second CD so it doesn't really.
and Anima doesn't line up with Iris, so it'll help with the first one and then be de-synced.
modern brook
isnt iris 90?
sand egret
Considering the type of damage essences can output within a few GCDs there’s a point where its simply on the DPS to understand and act accordingly (which honestly is like waiting an extra two GCDs).
warm plinth
Yeah DPS just need to be smort
modern brook
So basically ur fucked
warm plinth
lol that edit
narrow sparrow
Nice
warm plinth
Oh it is in effect now?
strong forum
I figured
warm plinth
I know that it was a hotfix but it was in the "we're working on a hotfix" stage the last time I saw anything
sand egret
They are tied to essence unlocks, to note. As in if you aint 54 you wont get that 2nd node worth.
warm plinth
Yeah which imo is dumb as hell lol
sand egret
We’re working on a hotfix today that will cause all tank specializations to now generate additional threat, via increases granted at each of the three Essence slot unlocks.
At each of the three Essence slot unlocks, damage-dealing specializations are gaining an increase in their damage output that is substantial enough to sometimes unintentionally disrupt tanking. This change should keep threat generation, relative to DPS, on par with where it was earlier in the expansion.
warm plinth
Supposed to counteract the power gain of DPS getting their additional essences
Which is just a slightly sneaky way of saying "Yeah, we know Focusing Iris is a pain in the ass"
sand egret
so not sure if that actually was pushed and its effects on your char will be dependent on your neck level/unlocks
cinder roost
Gotta farm that AP to hold aggro 😄
warm plinth
Tbh I don't foresee it being much a problem as long as the gain from the first unlock is sizeable
Iris is the large part of the problem
Because it's a fuckton of burst threat
modern brook
yeah i was just typing the only real issue is iris
sand egret
well its tied to relative growth of DPS and is contained within the system that created the issue. Namely they wont have to “re-nerf” threat later once essences are out
strong forum
As vdh was fine tbh
modern brook
17 sunders, guys
yeah but vdh has real aoe threat holders
brew has to fucking ox statue or something
analog swift
it's a pain
warm plinth
Keg Smash
panics until Keg Smash comes off CD
sand egret
basically
analog swift
rushing jade wind was not very effective
sand egret
tick faster RJW!!!
warm plinth
lol
modern brook
"wow my stagger's really reducing this damage" 1/5 alive
warm plinth
The new formatting thing is taking away from the pleasure of using the >s
sand egret
but like against bosses it should never matter imho
warm plinth
Yeah I've never peeled a boss with it thus far
exotic spoke
Stupidity is an affix we always have to deal with though
modern brook
yeah, but nothing new there
sand egret
the Original Affix
modern brook
big 🐒 ass dps
exotic spoke
And yeah, I used anima to help with threat when the dps couldn’t hold back
modern brook
Iris shouldnt be used on like pulls w/ 3 people or like 1 prio mob and 4 non elites
exotic spoke
When you have to go all out needs dictate it
modern brook
they should be coordinated with your cooldowns
exotic spoke
I mean, now it’s not. And even with avatar it didn’t matter bull. They are pulling stupid high dps as an opener.
warm plinth
I mean, meta has a 4 min CD; Iris has a 1.5 min CD. I'm not just gonna hang on to it and waste it lol
exotic spoke
When using iris
sand egret
its a huge amount of frontloaded dps within 3 gcds
modern brook
HANG ON
sand egret
less than 3 actually
modern brook
why the fuck arent yall playing with rogues
warm plinth
Since the Iris nerf, if I wait like 3 or 4 globals, I'm usually fine to use it
exotic spoke
If a pack absolutely had to die ASAP they do it up front.
Cause not every group has one. I play and push with friends
warm plinth
It'll still turn my threat color to high threat on a mob or two but I won't actually peel.
Yeah usually if I peel it's because there was a tides emissary or something I had to blow up
cinder roost
Tbf when Avatar is up which is most of the time it's almost a non-issue, so DPS don't have a lot of occasion to practice holding back
sand egret
but yeah, feel like you can just tricks a beam to ya if you have the option. even works well with BM hunters since they’re the source
warm plinth
Yep
exotic spoke
Sako, when I avatar pre pull, charged clap, demo, clap I lost Aggro before the second clap
modern brook
@exotic spoke I used to do that too
exotic spoke
On packs that absolutely had to die ASAP.
sand egret
that arms rep!
exotic spoke
it’s not an issue now, and the extra burst from anima was fun. Maybe not optimal but fun
sand egret
♥️
sick sentinel
bfa threat changes were a great idea except rogues and marks hunters exist so it was all for nothing. hopefully blizzard uses this neck shit as an excuse to fix their bad decisions
sand egret
A True Warrior of Rage
modern brook
I didnt share names cause privacy in 2019 but
exotic spoke
Agree glick. My group knew that, even before anima, and were prepared with defensives. But if I’m unable to hold Aggro under optimal conditions for myself it didn’t matter
modern brook
As a side note
sand egret
i mean tbh the threat changes of 1000% to 400% were largely neutral since dps relatively was also scaled down.
modern brook
have we created any great gimmicks for dealing with sanguine?
strong forum
Strafe backwards
modern brook
thats not a gimmick :^(
strong forum
:^)
warm plinth
What you wanna do is like...move so the mobs move and don't stand in the puddle
It works
Try it
modern brook
yall :^(
warm plinth
🙃
modern brook
I'm talking specifically like minimum cast range shit