Is that you can’t just taunt it out and have your dos survive. The bastard actually melees hard
#protection
dense flame
exotic spoke
Wait. It is? What the actual fuck Theseus
exotic spoke
A DH can bloodguilt. With CDs running but yeah
potent anvil
It's because Tides does frost damage melees.
rapid jewel
yeah it always was a dangerous pack if you mess up kicks and stuns. its the same with the pack before the second boss, which you stealthed or death skipped with an void emissary with it
analog swift
now maybe that's just a ui thing or w/e
and someone smarter than me will have to check the health
dense flame
What’s been your best approach dealing with the mob in trouble packs? @potent anvil
Root?
analog swift
just like the offseason said the new scaling was in when it wasn't
warm plinth
Also anyone notice a theme? Week 1 had tons of voids, week 2 had tons of tides. I’m expecting an enchanted week this week.
analog swift
yeah
exotic spoke
Fucking nuke the dangerous shit in the pack @dense flame . Don’t focus tides - focus the deadly mobs
analog swift
they're supposed to rotate
potent anvil
Depends on the pack, your priority changes if the mob(s) Tides is protecting is more threatening. Tides is just the default priority, but if there's something that can wipe the group, it's probably that mob.
warm plinth
It depends on the pack but yeah. Like the AD pack you focus augur not tides
analog swift
of course certain dungeons didn't seem to have any changes such as TD/KR
WM had SOME changes (tide in the front this week void last week)
but KR was the exact same
maybe one more tide
TD was pretty much the exact same
dense flame
Fsho. Thanks guys.
analog swift
freehold was different, even different locations
warm plinth
Yeah but some dungeons don’t have much potential tbf lol
rapid jewel
yeah the locations are limited on some dungeons
warm plinth
Like KR only has a limited number of possibilities because of how linear it is
analog swift
i mean KR for example
could easily have voids in the main room
1st boss room, tons of LOS spots
could have a void in the poison room
warm plinth
Did it not have a void there week 1? I didn’t do it that week
analog swift
nah
has a void at the entrance so you have to kill it, the minions and the guardian
rapid jewel
yeah but knowing blizzard, they rather put a void on one of the bridges 😃
analog swift
they actually didn't you can shroud past the construct
potent anvil
Emissaries that stop the brute patrol in KR is a godsend, really. Timed a 16 so easily because we were able to just shroud past a lot of it after 2nd boss lol.
exotic spoke
I mean that’s fine and easy
warm plinth
Ah. I personally thought the void before last boss was a nice touch... not
What a waste lol
exotic spoke
Just nuke the void down before the second cast. If you can’t then just pop CDs before the second cast
thorny bobcat
is quick navigation still best for tanking (like guide says)?
exotic spoke
Force multiplier is what most people go for now
potent anvil
Defensively, quick is strong. Force is more dps, though.
analog swift
@potent anvil how far can you shroud on that bridge w/ light foots
thorny bobcat
What about naga hide? (im only offspecing dungeons)
analog swift
i find the guardians at the beginning to be extremely easy
rapid jewel
but I would not change until you get a new weapon, the difference inst big
naga hide proc chance is garbage
potent anvil
@analog swift We got to the 5 pack, but we still had to do the middle pack leading to Zul. So you can get pretty far.
exotic spoke
That’s why I still use quick nav. Not replacing it until I get something better than my 416
analog swift
might be worth to try to get lust back on CD
exotic spoke
We skipped last two packs before boss 3 in KR. Shroud in, invis pots out
warm plinth
That’s what we did too
analog swift
beskers and five pack?
exotic spoke
Yes
warm plinth
Yeah.
potent anvil
I imagine there are some varied routes you can do depending on emissary placements for a lot of dungeons. I think it's pretty fun.
analog swift
and that + zul + void +tyrannical you could lust third boss
and lust last phase of fourth boss
yeah i'm loving beguiling
warm plinth
I think now that people know how manageable it is without overthinking it, it’s better than originally thought
analog swift
yeah
potent anvil
I'm also dps'ing a lot more in keys than tanking this time around. So that's a feelsgood 
analog swift
it seemed before that it would massively slow down keys like infested
it really doesn't, enchanted is negligble
tides often doesn't matter
void is kill fast
rapid jewel
yeah and people dont waste burst on boswandi anymore to push numbers
exotic spoke
Ghash, it was also tuned down. I think it’s a good affix. At least good for my group since we always did reaping poorly
rapid jewel
yeah if you wanted to do reaping righty you killed it together with the next 1 or 2 packs
warm plinth
Yeah the void change made a difference. But tides would definitely be easier if it could be rooted for 30 sec instead of 8 in the packs that actually require it be CCed XD
exotic spoke
We did more chain pulls than huge ones. And it worked for the 20s / 21s we did but couldn’t do much higher.
Started about 1/3 into the season and i didn’t do much in season 1 for... um reasons. But feel pretty comfortable doing bigger pulls now
warm plinth
I didn’t play season 1 either but it sounded horrible lol
strong forum
S1 was
Weird
But was the season I pushed the most
Haven't pushed ever since
My greatest accomplishment in wow so far was in s1 getting #16 prot World
exotic spoke
I was extremely frustrated with my class and close to quitting. I only didn’t quit because of my guild. But I raid logged and if the other two tanks we had were there I sat myself
warm plinth
Aw Nome I’ll push with you. Let’s get you that +9 XD
rapid jewel
ignore pain on GCD, i actually stopped playing until they fixed that
exotic spoke
And not getting into keys, despite a high io from legion was frustrating too. I liked pugging them when not enough guildees where on.
Now though, fuck em. They didn’t want me then they can’t get me now
analog swift
and the dramatic shift just made me fucking hate it
strong forum
You can pug on actually high keys
analog swift
S1 was also so much less fun with azerite mattering so much but not being able to get it
exotic spoke
IP off gcd helped how it felt but it didn’t make a huge difference in numbers. Biggest was the extra outer ring of traits and BoM imo
analog swift
@exotic spoke absolutely but it just felt bad
strong forum
Now I just meme my way through 13-16s
analog swift
compared to legion where I could not play with my GF in bed because I was spamming buttons so fast I would wake her up
warm plinth
I get a kick out of people saying "+6 Shrine pushing" Like pushing where buddy, you're 405
strong forum
And just have fun doing mongoloid pulls
rapid jewel
GCD on ip felt horrible. your dps between a good healer and a bad healer where insane
strong forum
Tbh I didn't notixe the gcd change too much cuz I got used to it very quickly since I played a fuckton on beta already
exotic spoke
Oh it felt bad, I completely agree. In terms of play style that change was huge. In terms of impact on numbers it was minor
Survivability numbers
strong forum
But I knew instantly that prot was gonna be insane as soon as they announced the gcd change and giving is ranged block
exotic spoke
Mmm ranged block back
strong forum
The gcd change was a huge dps increase
rapid jewel
yeah range block was probably our biggest change in survivabilty in certain dungeons, KR was unplayable before that
strong forum
Using 160 more gcds in a dungeon for dps instead of IP is immense
Which I assume most didn't even think about
exotic spoke
That’s fair
analog swift
like during avatar it's clap, slam/revenge clap slam/ revenge clap slam/revenge
whereas before it would be clap ignore pain clap revenge maybe clap ignore pain clap
with how much rage you get from avatar/demo shout
also did anybody else notice explosive raging this week? shit was fucked
warm plinth
Wait, KR? What could we not block in there prior to the change?
sand egret
the miniboss in KR is the big one
exotic spoke
Yeah Theseus, we let one go and oof
warm plinth
The one with the raptor?
sand egret
yep, the one that spam casts Shoot 😃
warm plinth
Ah okay. I guess I didn't think how bad that would be if you couldn't block it
exotic spoke
Yeah
sand egret
her + fort was not fun pre-ranged block
warm plinth
I was like huh KR is not the one I would have thought of first for that change lul
rapid jewel
after second boss, every pack has ranges in it, which you could not block + the bleed and having IP on GCD. that was no fun at all
sand egret
I think the beastmasters also shoot?
strong forum
She hit you for 100k+ in s1
warm plinth
Yeah beastmasters do, but that's not every pack. Only two
strong forum
So that was fun
warm plinth
I mean I definitely get why it was important for KR now though
sand egret
well Shadow of Zul is only one mob in KR.......
strong forum
I cheesed the mini-boss by lining her 'shoot' while she casts and get back out so she starts casting again
warm plinth
Shadow of Zul is an abomination of a mob that should have been a boss
strong forum
And just have her stay still without ever attacking
sand egret
Shadow of Zul IS the boss every other week
warm plinth
That's what people did in like BRH back in Legion on higher keys too
Since the mobs random targeted shoot
exotic spoke
Fuck Zul
warm plinth
Nome pulling from the ole Legion playbook
exotic spoke
Fuck the berserkers (before I was DI
rapid jewel
shadow of zul is garbage and the designer for it should be fired
exotic spoke
What’s a hunter?
strong forum
From 4 wrenches
warm plinth
I mean, I could have said frost mage
exotic spoke
What’s a frost mage (he went rogue) and ewww no. No purple bars
warm plinth
But how do you get your healthstones Riki?
RIP healthstones from proving grounds
Alright folks, servers are up; we'll have the new affixes in 15 minutes!
exotic spoke
We make the Druid log on his alt, invite to group and make it a raid, get healthstones, he logs back over, and grabs one before it despawns
Same with mage food
manic cypress
Hi there friends, is there a current list for bis tank trinkets for surv? updated for 8.2
exotic spoke
Icy veins has a list
frosty vigil
I have gathering professions on my warrior right now. If you could pick whatever you wanted with resources to craft whatever, what professions would you pick?
exotic spoke
I’m currently alchemy / blacksmithing. I’d probably swap to alchemy / engineering if I cared. The helm is nice but none of the crafting gear matters in the long run.
manic cypress
the icyveins one doesnt have the mechagon trinket in its comparison
manic cypress
oh sorry yeah bladesong
exotic spoke
Assuming equal Ilvl with the dodge punch card.
Just don’t use platinum playing it’s garbage
sand egret
honestly I just wanted to be able to say this:
exotic spoke
It’s cool Obama
sand egret
THANKS OBAMA
exotic spoke
Rofl
manic cypress
i'm currently on bloodthirsty and diamond lace
rapid jewel
Edict is still garbage, no haste scaling!
frosty vigil
So alch just for the extra flask time @exotic spoke ?
manic cypress
the icyveins list doesnt actually show diamondlace from 8.1
exotic spoke
I got a 430 gore crusted butchers block.
I mean numbers show that it’s third humtol. Assuming equal Ilvl
manic cypress
where do u reference these numbers for survivability
exotic spoke
I asked about that a bit ago obama. I can’t remember the exact numbers but it was below bloodthirsty urchin by a little.
manic cypress
right
sand egret
Diamond is slightly below Edict, mostly because Diamond's absorb is frontloaded
errr
i cant type
exotic spoke
So you’d have to get a god tier Titan forge - just not worth wasting time imo
sand egret
yeah that's the other aspect
exotic spoke
Because edicts will be baseline higher Ilvl
rapid jewel
yeah I would rather run coral over edict, a on demand parry in later fights is more worth for me then that unreliable shield of edict
exotic spoke
Edicts isn’t garbage for the sheer fact you can dedicate it to pure magic damage.
We don’t need more physical mitigation. Having a trinket for magic is great
Disagree humtol.
sand egret
I ❤ Edict, conceptually
merry cave
You guys planning on trying your luck for shoulders or chest first? Seems like a pretty even choice unless your clearing late mythic raids quickly
sand egret
I think it's a fantastic example of a good trinket design, despite the numbers not being superb
exotic spoke
Parry on single target fights is unreliable. Parry on multi mob pulls like m+ where the law of large numbers evens things out is good
Morg, I’m going chest because I already have 430 shoulders and helm
sand egret
it's got mileage
rapid jewel
put you can go up to 100% parry for 20 seconds, that literally can save you a kill
rapid jewel
yeah
sand egret
ohh, thought it had a cap. That's cool
rapid jewel
max 100 stacks
sand egret
oh well then an absurd cap
rapid jewel
but 100 stacks give you 150% crit, so you dont need to push it so far
frosty vigil
If you had 415 azerite in every slot, would you get 430s first or save for 445s?
rapid jewel
save for 445
sand egret
Im saving, personally
warm plinth
I bought two 430s personally because I never raid and thus will have no other opportunity to upgrade my azerite.
And it would have been another week (after today) to get a 445
sand egret
mostly because I have good traits and i'd rather have such an absurd ilvl difference (even though a 430 still wins....) that I won't feel that bad when I RNG a terrible piece
exotic spoke
Can you link coral?
sand egret
having bad traits just feels bad, imho
exotic spoke
I’d get 430s first I think unless you’re in heroic or able to get a 445 every other week from TR due to m+
Hrmm that’s interesting. How does it work in aoe situations? Does it apply to all mobs
warm plinth
I mean numerically two 430s is equivalent to a single 445 (if you had 415s before) anyway right? And you can get 3 430s for a little over half the price of a single 445
rapid jewel
no, you have to use it to aplly it to a mob first and after that is starts stacking, kinda useless trinket in m+
warm plinth
They are. They're 9k
frosty vigil
430 randoms are 9k
warm plinth
445 random is 47500
So 3 430s is 27000 which is a little more than half the cost of a 445
exotic spoke
Yeah, I’d get those then go 445 unless you get a 445 every other week from TR
It’ll make getting the other gear easier too
frosty vigil
Every other week, is that a 15?
warm plinth
Yeah
rapid jewel
next week you can craft 445 ingi helm + a 445 from TR, just one slot to go from mythi
warm plinth
Sanguine/Grievous/Fortified...
warm plinth
exotic spoke
Get anything good ghash?
warm plinth
Nope. 440 mast/crit ring. Probably not even an upgrade over my DH's current rings (420/425 vers/haste)
But I did do a +3 on my warrior yesterday so he might have got something
warm plinth
Yeah grievous again 😦
strong forum
I fucking sleep
warm plinth
War got a 415 vers>mast ring @exotic spoke Was using a 405 mast>crit so it's pretty good.
sand egret
legit fuck this week
grand drum
how much titan res do you get for scrapping a 415
warm plinth
365
brisk ferry
wooh
exotic spoke
Grats mang
warm plinth
I didn't do a 10 on my warrior; I did a 3
He's only 405 and it's only the second dungeon I've done on him all expansion 😂
exotic spoke
Oh lol
sand egret
lil babe
warm plinth
I'm gonna go for at least a 7ish this week unless I get some lucky drops to boost my ilevel
But my 395 shield is gonna be a wall at some point
exotic spoke
Psch, no balls
warm plinth
Actually tbh my weapon will be a wall before then
exotic spoke
What’s your weapon?
warm plinth
370 lol
exotic spoke
Yeah ok
sand egret
😬
warm plinth
I'm the only person who was actually happy about the Nazjatar intro weapon because it was actually an upgrade 😂 😂
west kayak
I have the 430 Engi helm. Going off of what was previously posted I should gamble the shoulders and chest since mine are 420?
vestal edge
Feels like vision and lucid dream aren’t proccing that much :/ feel like I should just use crucible and strength crystal things
exotic spoke
Vision procs a good amount. However given avatars up time you may not notice it when it extends the duration of avatar. Check the logs - any avatar over 20 seconds has a proc
exotic spoke
^^
rapid jewel
also radiance drops BiS helmet. So mostly we will gamble on a good chest. Za'qul is a long time away for most players
civic isle
I went and checked out the pins for essence..... what is everyone actually running for m+ for essences ???
rapid jewel
VoP and whatever you prefer
civic isle
Kk
rapid jewel
you kinda need avatar a lot with the new azerite aggro i beam to keep up
strong forum
Well radiance helmet isn't necessarily bis, but it's the best from the raid
There's better helmets to gamble
rapid jewel
yeah but It is good enough for how easy it is to obtain. Gamble will take a while
west kayak
I dont forsee myself Mythic raiding so I am fine with Heroic Zaq.
slate ingot
elemental whirl or earthlink fellas? I was thinking whirl
strong forum
Earthlink
sand egret
I'm a big Whirl fan myself
strong forum
Have never used whirl yet to be fair
warm plinth
I'm a Whirl fan too ✊
willow scarab
whirl is ok but earth link is big poo
errant oriole
hey guys so out of my weekly chest i just got razdunk's big red button trinket is that any good for prot at all? lol
warm plinth
It's not great
willow scarab
depends on what your other options are
warm plinth
But it might be better than what you have
errant oriole
over the trinket from mechagon (not the dungeon)
broken ledge
just bought a random 445 chest, would it be better to have 2 stacks of DC or CR? dont really have any other decent options
warm plinth
What ilevel trinket from Mechagon? And I'm assuming with Overclock?
DC @broken ledge
errant oriole
my trinket is 415
warm plinth
What's in your other slot?
willow scarab
the lazer beam is better for ST than button
broken ledge
thnx ghash
willow scarab
button better for aoe
errant oriole
my other slot has a 420 str that procs haste
it procs 292 haste every 2 seconds for 12 seconds
errant oriole
didnt really wanna replace my haste proc trinket 😛
glacial ore
Any US player to confirm me the affixes this week please :)?
And btw, what essence do you play usually in mythic+ ? I'm playing with the avatar one but wondering if you think there is a better one.
warm plinth
Fort/Sang/Griev
glacial ore
Grievous again already ! Wtf
warm plinth
On the plus side, looks like we might not have any more griev/tyr weeks unless they add a third grievous week.
ember plinth
Don't tempt fate like that
sick sentinel
resto druids and glimmer paladins are pretty fine with grievous
also new healing pots are great against grievous
because you can get out of it pretty damn easily
especially if you are a dps
grievous week time for never surrender 🙌
last mason
whats the best way to get 150 follower exp after the 3 dailies
last mason
how much does each bark give
sick sentinel
more than you need
I think it's like 75 with each or something
from the blue ones, that you can get from big trees only and once a week only
exotic spoke
No, it’s 150 per follower for the good one
exotic spoke
Naga battle orders also from murloc trading game or farming hidden chests
Also it’s 450 total
warm plinth
That's 450 Kaege
sick sentinel
maths are hard
warm plinth
Naga battle orders are 450 as well iirc
sick sentinel
you didn't see anything
west kayak
Repeatedly punched in the head and you expect him to do maths?
exotic spoke
Well it’s because you Europeans are silly and call it “maths” instead of “math”
sick sentinel
the green ones, that you can farm from normal trees and infinite of them give 25 each
which is 75 total
exotic spoke
Good warriors don’t get punched in the head - they block it
sick sentinel
I do get punched in the head quite a bit
grand drum
no BoM on my 445 shoulders. rip
sick sentinel
same
I stand by my statement
sick sentinel
that was the joke
inland mesa
Is shoulders the best one to gamble on early?
sick sentinel
it's good because you have only 1/6 chance to get fucked
grand drum
which one is the bad one?
sick sentinel
the one that does not have BoM
exotic spoke
^^
grand drum
looks like i got fucked
exotic spoke
That’s a rip
I was going to say that before you even times anything “the one that’s bad is the one you got”
willow scarab
how's everyones sim looking atm
strong forum
Hovering around 26k
sick sentinel
Not existing
willow scarab
yeah i kill big mythic boss
strong forum
Fuck those RF traits
willow scarab
and coin as dps because why not
strong forum
I'll never use them
sick sentinel
Oh it's from mythic?
I'm on my phone
So I don't know
If it's from mythic it's deserved
strong forum
Those pants alone are prolly like 1-2k St
And cof rank 3 + nullr3 is prolly huge aswell
willow scarab
yah 7%~ of my damage from pants
sick sentinel
You're getting rank 1s next week
strong forum
I'm pretty happy without meme gear to be at 26k
Cba those pants or benthic
Or RF
C
B
A
crude pond
Is Vision of Perfection in major slot the best choice for survivability?
I'm in Radiance of Azshara Mythic, and every time I tank the Stromwraith I really feel the need of maximizing my survivability.
willow scarab
do you hate fun
strong forum
Na I just despise reckless flurry
willow scarab
There are so many other defensive options
crude pond
there is monk healer
willow scarab
Have you read all of the essences
strong forum
Well then you should survive
Otherwise shit heals
Don't be afraid to use Shield wall or cocoon there
It's the only part of the fight that does dmg
crude pond
yeah but what I'm asking is "is Vision of Perfection the best choice for survivability".
strong forum
No it's not
Null barrier would be best I reckon since it's pure magic dmg from those adds
crude pond
nope they hit melee attack really hard
crude pond
what?
sick sentinel
So just spam ignore pain
crude pond
I can't?
sick sentinel
No
willow scarab
The big secret is having your group kick/cc the adds
sick sentinel
It's unblockable melee
willow scarab
You could also try any of the actual defensive traits
crude pond
both the big and small adds?
sick sentinel
If you see casters (smol boys) not getting interrupted
Shock wave one wave
And fear the other
Both are completely unblockable
strong forum
Yes you can't block it
crude pond
wow
sick sentinel
I got absolutely demolished as well
strong forum
That's it
crude pond
that's why they're that hard
sick sentinel
And we got the monk with me
strong forum
Ye I was surprised to get hit for 160k
I had disc and shammy with me and was like Wtf why am I dead
sick sentinel
And he way of the crane's
sick sentinel
I had a paly and a very very scuffed disc
We sent disc on the other side and we got the monk to me
strong forum
We had pally and monk on guardian, obv he would survive :kek:
crude pond
I'm still in a shock to know that all those melee atacks were unblockable
strong forum
Well
Have you never checked your death log?
And noticed the wraith hits for 160k?
strong forum
And not thought, hey this is unusually large?
crude pond
but I thought that was hit when my SB was down
strong forum
Well shit fam
sick sentinel
Same
dense flame
Grevious 😦
sick sentinel
I thought I was just being bad
strong forum
I knew I was playing perfectly
dense flame
Fortified
strong forum
So yeh
dense flame
God dang it
strong forum
Noticed pretty quickly
sick sentinel
Of course you were @strong forum
long tinsel
What's everyones azerite traits looking like for raid?
strong forum
Shit
pallid berry
deafening crash and whatevers the highest item lvl
strong forum
Get 1 or 2 BfI, maybe an IF
sick sentinel
Eng head, mythic behemoth shoulders and mythic champions chest
long tinsel
Seems like all the gear in EP has DC or BoM
strong forum
What
No
Only radiance, court and zaq is useful
Rest is dogshit
Behemoth shoulders are decentish
pallid berry
the hells bfl?
long tinsel
Ya I was using that a lot last tier in raids
strong forum
Since chances are you don't have an amazing 445+ shield you get alot of value out of block traits for raiding
long tinsel
Yeah I don't lol
pallid berry
oh yea i got one of those traits
long tinsel
Do you guys like Bloodsport in raiding?
pallid berry
man hard to remember that icy veins is useful for this clas
long tinsel
I like it in M+
strong forum
Meh
long tinsel
It does provide a decent amount of leech
sick sentinel
Get out
long tinsel
/wave
sick sentinel
Its literally the worst trait lmao
grand drum
it looks like 2/6 shoulder pieces dont have BoM on them, not 1/6
long tinsel
Worse than CR?
long tinsel
Yeah I hate using CR
pallid berry
in personal experience and in the updated icy veins
it aint
its the worst one to run
sick sentinel
Yes for survivability
And for single target
But for mythic plus it's not as bad as you think
And with the right statted gear
long tinsel
I just dislike using rage on it when I'm trying to keep the buff up
long tinsel
I feel like I'm losing value when it's not up
long tinsel
So then it's a pure damaging ability
sick sentinel
Yeah
It's better than bloodsport
And blood sport is straight garbage
Most things are better than cr
But if you can't keep the debuff up on aoe
At 3 stacks
You are either missing crit/haste
Or you are not pulling big enough
long tinsel
I have not used it this tier yet. Have you tried Undulating Tides yet?
sick sentinel
Not really
Not planning to either
I might use it for tanking raids
Over cr/bs/arcane heart
long tinsel
Right, I was not planning on using those traits in raid either
Three bastion of might seems to be the move with Vision of Perfection
sick sentinel
It is the move anyway
long tinsel
Yeah for sure. Are you running VoP for raid and m+?
sick sentinel
Yeah
long tinsel
Alright, just trying to figure out what I'm rolling the random 445 azerite piece on
Thanks for the info @sick sentinel
prisma crane
if all are the same, i'd go for chest as it's the biggest impact to STR and Stam and armor
long tinsel
Yeah I guess I need to see what I can obtain in raid quickly vs what I can't and then asset the situation from there
vast sedge
Don’t gamble helm
long tinsel
I'm not
vast sedge
Gamble chest or shoulders
long tinsel
I got engineering
vast sedge
Ah well even if not engi radiance is right there with a juicy one
long tinsel
Right
sick sentinel
I like it when I'm honestly just being a condescending asshole to people and they still say "thank you"
Sorry @long tinsel for being a bit too aggressive, good luck with you gambling
long tinsel
Nah man it's cool!
I don't take offense to that
I appreciate the chat
BS sucks....got it :)
sick sentinel
@willow scarab how much do you sim?
analog swift
Jumping in last second @long tinsel i'd reccomend shoulders 2/3 chance to get Bom+something juicy as opposed to chest which is 1/3 chance.
abyssal also drops a chest which while not good is still an ilvl increase whereas behemoth obviously will take longer to get too and kill
long tinsel
@analog swift that's what I'm thinking as well. My guild is jumping into mythic next week so we'll see
exotic spoke
That’s fucking stupid single target dps
willow scarab
What did you add to put it up by 400
that's insane
wait meticulous sims higher than flurry?
warm plinth
31.5k tank ST DPS. What the fuck
willow scarab
the old sim was with the old flask too hahahaaaaaaaaa
soft kindle
sick sentinel
I think that rf will pull through with zacool axe
sick sentinel
we link raidbots here now? servant splitter btw https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/x3WG3ECGW3NjgNn46fjYqD
silver breach
With the Pocket Sized trinket and the haste proc card, if you have this card is it recommender to use this trinket no matter the ilvl of your others?
warm plinth
No, it's not worth using if you have higher ilevel of other good trinkets.
But depends on how much better/what trinkets
vital tree
not sure if a 420 pocket sized beats 425 rezans + 430 vial for m+
silver breach
415 Bloodthirsty Urchin - 445 Butchers Block - 425 Socketed Enthrallers Bindstone - 410 Pocket Sized.
oh and 430 Jes' with Socket
i have been fortunate but also making decisions difficult
exotic spoke
Butchers block for sure imo and probably howler?
warm plinth
Yeah I'd agree with that. Block and howler.
silver breach
Thats what i was thinking. Just was unsure cause the icy veins made it sound like always use red punchcard haste
exotic spoke
Nic, it’s all about what you need. I use pocket sized with cyclotronic for ondemand burst damage
vital tree
yeah, my pocket is locked to cyclotronic for pvp anyway
warm plinth
Icy-veins is giving you defensive trinket ranking, but it does say that it's comparing them if they're equal ilevel, not any ilevel.
exotic spoke
@wispy plume sorry man. You rolled a one 😦
vital tree
i'd wager maybe cyclotronic is worth for tyrannical weeks to punch bosses
wispy plume
@exotic spoke no lie definitely feels bad lol
silver breach
I rolled the exact same shoulders as i previously had >< Deafening/Iron Fortress-Callous reprais.
Not what i hoped for but i guess i didnt lose anything
Yah i might throw in cyclotronic for pvp/m+ to play around with until i can get a big haste red card
warm plinth
Yeah could have been much worse than that lol. Did you replace 415 or 430?
silver breach
415 to 445 so def an upgrade. Just hoped to get rid of callous.
but it has deafening for when i replace my engineering goggles if those roll with other things, so prob will work out well
wispy plume
use IF for block rating if your shield isnt like 440+
warm plinth
What's the other trait on the callous ring?
vital tree
is BS soo garbage that liberator's might (pvp one that procs crit/haste) overtakes it?
because those are my two choices on my shouldrs ><
warm plinth
Probably, at least for damage/overall
vital tree
but 40 leech tho 
silver breach
Bolts. i forget the name
warm plinth
x_x
silver breach
Ruinous Bolt
sick sentinel
@vital tree Don't say that word
exotic spoke
@vital tree I picked liberators might - I got a pair from heroic warfront
warm plinth
How horrible is heroic warfront? And what ilevel do you get from it?
remote tusk
vital tree
It was bugged when I did it
Which made it more fun tbh
Rokhan would not retreat
And killing him too early meant you «won» but didn’t get quest completion
So I spent the entire match running around the map with 2 healers kiting Rokhan around
agile spruce
vial of animated blood or bloodthirsty urchin both 430 for m+
vital tree
Until they smashed the gates and we could kill him
warm plinth
Wait so their boss comes out but if you kill him outside of his area you don't complete the quest?
vital tree
He comes out, but he’s supposed to Hearthstone away after reaching a certain %
But on the first week (Alliance) he would come back a 2nd time and then never hearth away
And just keep pushing until you killed him
But since that was a bug, killing him before you had pushed through the gates and were «supposed to», meant it scuffed out and didn’t count as completed
exotic spoke
@agile spruce do you need survival or dps?
Nic, people in my guild were saying they completed it when that happened
vital tree
Huh, that was a thing during the first 3-4 days when I tried doing it
Think it was my 4th attempt when I made the suggestion to let me and a few healers just kite him forever until the gates were down
royal lodge
Anyone tank with that shield from Mechagon? How is that absorb and damage work? Think it may prevent stacks of Necrotic?
Also, if not already stated level 2 of VoP drops from the normal mythic level, it is not hard mode exclusive.
hazy dust
415 BOM, MS/BFI vs 430 BS,IF for pure m+? Had a look through post history but can't see a consensus on whether to sacrifice ilvl for BOM in m+.
sick sentinel
You don't drop ilvl
warm plinth
@royal lodge The shield's effect is not even worth mentioning. It doesn't prevent anything except the miniscule damage of the absorb, and the damage part of the effect is basically irrelevant since the absorb will always break instantly. It also only has a 1ppm rate which makes it even more blah. You'll still use it if it's your highest ilevel shield but that's about it.
hazy dust
cool simple answer cheers.
humble tundra
So is our taunt broke? I will taunt something, throw my axe at them. By the time the boss gets to me our mage is pulling agro on me. One example is Azshara fight. I pull Aethanel .
Well anything I have to pull from range really.
exotic spoke
Taunt isn’t broken.
warm plinth
I mean, if he's going ham on the mob while it's on its way to you, yeah he's gonna peel lol
sick sentinel
Just slam and clap
exotic spoke
The issue is you generated almost zero threat while the mage had a precasted spell plus the next spell
warm plinth
Especially if you only used Heroic Throw initially
sick sentinel
Fire mages absolutely fucking last rn
Lucid+combustion+lust and they can burst 120k
humble tundra
Figured as much, he just needs to wait till I can hit.
warm plinth
You should really be charging in and then relocating the boss unless it's just not possible/fight mechanics prevent it.
humble tundra
Hes not even waiting till the boss is at me.
royal lodge
Thanks.
exotic spoke
Taunt moves you to 100% threat, and then increases threat generation and forces the target to attack you for a while.
He absolutely shouldn’t wait for the boss to get to you
warm plinth
Either that or you should have hunters or rogues misdirecting to you
humble tundra
Ok, will change stuff up a bit. Just swapped back to tanking this teir from healing.
exotic spoke
You need to go to the boss and drag it back
humble tundra
cool cool
exotic spoke
Otherwise youre losing a good amount of raid damage
warm plinth
Yeah this isn't vanilla; we don't make DPS wait 3 sunders 😉
sick sentinel
I have to pull ashvane as fast as humanly possible on oull
Pull
If I taunt and throw it's not enough
warm plinth
The key is not to turn your back when you're repositioning. Though it does make for fun/sad clips
exotic spoke
Strafe back
sick sentinel
I avatar-charge+taunt-slam-clap-leap away-throw
exotic spoke
Yeah - that’s what I was going for
warm plinth
You're a slamclap
humble tundra
Thanks for that tip.
warm plinth
Slamclap would be the cheesiest name for a warrior ever. I bet there's like 80 of them.
humble tundra
Healing since wrath has gottenn me behind and the cool tricks
warm plinth
Wow there's actually only one person named Slamclap and it's a rogue (wut?)
humble tundra
lol
exotic spoke
Clappa
warm plinth
Clappa is at least clever though
warm plinth
Even if it is based on a lame twitch emote
exotic spoke
Lol
warm plinth
Yeah I got it 👍
The bad part about things that are clever is sometimes people don't understand lol
And it's less fun when you have to explain it
humble tundra
All my toons just have "elwin" in them. I'm bad at naming.
sick sentinel
My names used to be good
Then I got lazy
I have to get back to boosting so I can re-name my mage from kaegemage to kaegemaege
exotic spoke
Nah it’s convenient for guild management to see things like “Riki, deadriki (DK), drunkriki (eventually BrM), demonriki,” etc
warm plinth
When I started making horde toons, I named them ridiculous versions of the class name because horde sucks and I resented having to play it to do content.
Like my DH is Demunhuntr, my mage is Maaiige
humble tundra
agreed riki
exotic spoke
Also, Druid named Riiki. However someone made a warrior named Rikibad In guild.
warm plinth
The only accurate one 😏
exotic spoke
I’m terrible. Games just easy
warm plinth
Good thing it is too or I'd be fucked
floral ore
Anyone got a nice WA to keep track of health easier? #ui-addons-manager
sick sentinel
Did you just
floral ore
yes
sick sentinel
Like the channel you were supposed to go to
exotic spoke
It was at this time he realized.... he fucked up
warm plinth
I don't think that's how discord works 🤔
sick sentinel
🤦
warm plinth
The funny part is I don't think anyone would have said anything if you'd asked without linking the channel lol
floral ore
yea now I got people engaged, very good !
warm plinth
Well shit
night oxide
just cracked a 440 shield with crit mastery i have the 430 shield from raid with haste vers what do?
warm plinth
But I guess my question is, what exactly are you looking for that a WA can do that your health bar can't?
night oxide
im guessing go with the ilvl since block value is $$$
exotic spoke
You cheer in joy and thank the gods for a 440 shield
warm plinth
Idk about you but if I see my health go to 30% I'm like I should probably do something
warm plinth
Hmm. I mean, I think you can make unitframes do things at certain health thresholds; don't think you need a WA for that.
sick sentinel
If you don't take damage
warm plinth
Like you could make it an obnoxious color when it passes 40% HP or something
floral ore
yea but felt wa would be perfect for that
exotic spoke
So yeah @night oxide grats on your great luck
warm plinth
No reason for a WA when you can do it with your unitframes though. Because then you'd just be adding another health bar instead of using the one you already have. And if you're not looking at the one you already have, I don't see you looking at a new one lol
exotic spoke
The only things it’s missing are a socket and indestructible
warm plinth
Should probably just scrap it tbh without indestructible
warm plinth
Ngl that's the most awkward position for a player frame I've ever seen
warm plinth
I'm not suggesting you have it in top left. I'm suggesting you have it at the bottom of your screen where you're looking for everything else.
exotic spoke
Off in Narnia over there. I just use the generic HUD
warm plinth
Doesn't make sense to have to look at 8 locations on your screen to get all the information you need
floral ore
blocks too much view :>
exotic spoke
Has my health / rage bar right below my feet / near my char where I’m oooking anyway for shit to avoid
floral ore
show pic
floral ore
funny tho, just realized I don't use anything in my weakaura except my rage
floral ore
.>
floral ore
impressed you can play with it
sand egret
imagine using addons
warm plinth
It's probably the most popular UI in the world Riki :p
exotic spoke
Meh, it’s not hard to. It has all the information you need. I have DBM, MDT, WA (minimal usually only for a few fights), and um details.
floral ore
¯_(ツ)_/¯
sand egret
i blew this groups mind last night when I told them I don't have DBM (asked for a DH countdown).
exotic spoke
Each there own. Haven’t found a need for a lot of other shit to customize my ui. I used to have one - but I hated fixing it each time
warm plinth
I don't think I could go back to DBM now that I use BigWigs. It's so much better.
floral ore
for m+?
warm plinth
Yeah
sand egret
they legit had no idea how I could do M+ without BWigs/DBM
floral ore
never tried bigwigs
warm plinth
It has alerts and shit for dangerous trash abilities, tells you who's being targeted with shit, and it's pretty minimalist
It's called paying attention I think Blade
exotic spoke
There are times I forget to update it and it’s so out of date it cancels. I do it without and fix after.
Did that one night and didn’t realize until mythic conclave last tier
floral ore
sounds like dbm :>
warm plinth
Did I do it? Did I reveal your strat?
sand egret
honestly for M+ it's a bit overkill if ya ask me
warm plinth
Just makes it mindless is all
vital tree
I need BigWigs if only for the FF victory fanfare after boss kills now
exotic spoke
DBM timer for some bosses as a tank is very nice. Crawg in Ur on high tyrannical keys for example
warm plinth
lol
sand egret
So like Crawg in UR for me is really, really easy to read
all of his shit follows a very predictable sequence
sand egret
then i'm some mircale
exotic spoke
What’s going to be first?
sand egret
vomit doesn't come before 40% energy
exotic spoke
It can though. It can be the first one. Or the second. Or the third
sand egret
but like vomit you can just react to
exotic spoke
So, you have to start running away
sand egret
within the cast
exotic spoke
Nah, I don’t want to be hit by it
sand egret
you can run within the cast and out range it
exotic spoke
I have short stubby legs.
sand egret
lol
exotic spoke
I’m a dwarf (and don’t forget bad)
sand egret
well i did that in 8.0 on my dorf 😃
warm plinth
Pics or it didn't happen
sick sentinel
dark iron is good for running
sand egret
don't stubby legs shame
exotic spoke
Shush kaege lol
sand egret
- DID is 4% faster
warm plinth
Oh yeah doesn't Dark Iron get indoor move speed? 😂
exotic spoke
Shush you guys
warm plinth
lmao
sand egret
DEBUNKED
sick sentinel
gotta go fast
exotic spoke
Just cause I’m doing high keys doesn’t mean I know what I’m doing
warm plinth
Literally best besides Gonk Gang
sick sentinel
4% move speed is like opulence head
sand egret
so really i guess it's just a matter of the charge, which is pretty straight forward
sick sentinel
if you are doing kr 4% is MASSIVE
exotic spoke
Literally bad at this game ok. Stop making me feel subconscious of myself
sick sentinel
makes running out of first boss aoe and from fat boy aoe a lot easier
vital tree
Arent we all running prot because we're too bad to dps and need the tank crutch to get invites?
warm plinth
"fat boy aoe" lol
sand egret
I just honestly can't remember the last time I was hit by Indigestion and I haven't had a DBM/BW installed since like Cata
exotic spoke
Lol
warm plinth
Well you're just better than us I guess
exotic spoke
I just know the timer and start moving right before fast
warm plinth
Imagine what you could do if you didn't have to think about those timings though.
exotic spoke
Cast*.
You don’t need to beat blade
exotic spoke
Yeah - don’t get hit by it in high keys. You will die
sand egret
I mean, I 100% get why you'd want it to be easier
sand egret
but it's super doable by sight reading
exotic spoke
I’m blind too ok?
vital tree
Impressive though
sand egret
one is run the other doesn't matter if you run cuz he's booking it elsewhere anyway 😃
warm plinth
Btw Riki I tanked a +3; I'm ready to carry you now
vital tree
The bad, slow and blind tank
exotic spoke
When has “being bad” an excuse
sand egret
but yes, Nic, it's an 8 yrd frontal cone
exotic spoke
I can’t read or understand English ghash
sand egret
it tracks you dont dont run side to side
warm plinth
Wait what language am I speaking right now? 😮
vital tree
Yeah, never occurred to try running away from him either
exotic spoke
What?
sand egret
but you can basically run backwards and out range it during the cast (assuming you're not like IN his hitbox tanking him)
warm plinth
Or do you just pretend to understand me and I'm too stupid to figure it out 🤔
vital tree
Have your ranged dps stand behind you so you can intervene
exotic spoke
What?
sand egret
so the trick is to be at the outer edge of his hitbox
vital tree
200IQ btw
sand egret
I had my healer do that a few times
for some style points
but it does potentially screw up the charge
warm plinth
Blade is actually the world record holder in the Nesingwary Estate horse competition. Max style.
green forge
avoidance worth?
warm plinth
0
sand egret
Not worth sacrificing for
vital tree
It’s Norwington Estate Ghash
vital tree
Shameful
sand egret
ya'll just aint hip to that yet
warm plinth
Imagine jumping hurdles on a triceratops
vital tree
50/50 if he’ll actually jump or just crash through it
vital tree
With the T-rex chasing after?
warm plinth
yeah
vital tree
Devilsaur with a soft heart tho, throwing little plushies at him distracts him
warm plinth
It's funny because my nickname in another server is the same name as that T-Rex
So it's like I'm fighting myself
vital tree
Reminds me of my btag name, which i somewhat regret nowadays
Literally ripped it straight from the overpriced «Gigantique Bag» in Shattrath
warm plinth
Is it McNoodleStuffins?
vital tree
But now everyone thinks I’m referring to my genitals
vital tree
I’m either assumed to be a 13 year old thinking my btag will hide my micropenis, or french
warm plinth
Oh good
vital tree
Not sure which is worse tbh, /oof sick burn frenchies
warm plinth
Do we even have any french people in here? 🤔
exotic spoke
That’s cute
warm plinth
I think we have a canadian but I'm pretty sure @junior ivy isn't french canadian. Just the normal kind.
vital tree
«Normal»
exotic spoke
She hasn’t been around the past couple days
vital tree
Even sounds french when spoken in english
Reminds me of that photoshopped ad from ages ago
«We’re all equal, no matter if we’re black, yellow, brown or normal «
warm plinth
Yeah where tf is cat anyway. Even when she's not playing she's in here being off-topic
warm plinth
Do you speak french?
vital tree
If so, is «Gigantique» french?
warm plinth
Oh shit, cat is fancy
vital tree
Or have I just assumed that all along?
Because of the q 😂
Inb4 it’s spanish and my entire joke crumbles
junior ivy
i think its just meant to sound french lol
warm plinth
Even google translate is like we're pretty sure you meant gigantic
vital tree
Then I guess joke’s on the dweebs asking if I was french for falling for it
exotic spoke
Hi catfriend!
vital tree
Just like I planned
cinder roost
French is "gigantesque"
vital tree
Aah
To actually talk tank stuff
Where do you go to get bis pull routes in dungeons?
vague abyss
whats the go-to weapon enchant now? still quick navigation or one of the new ones?
warm plinth
Quick Nav for survival, Force for DPS/balanced
junior ivy
hi riki
sick sentinel
hi cat
junior ivy
hi kaege
zealous epoch
BE still tops for prot on Horde side?
exotic spoke
Play what you think looks cool
unkempt palm
The Weekly Route: Fortified, Bolstering, Skittish, and Infested | Raider.IO
https://raider.io/news/7-the-weekly-route-fortified-bolstering-skittish-and-infested
This would be the site for most efficient pulls but since world first is going on it has not been updated
@vital tree
exotic spoke
That and the fact that the routes are unknown because emissary placement are changing
rapid jewel
does anyone know if they finally fixed FH boosting? Havent seen an offer in a while
warm plinth
I've mainly seen "new method" boosting now which I imagine is 120 boosting
So they may have fixed the old one
Which basically just means they forced the buff on to anyone with the xp off thing active lol
clever sleet
weird question can we block grevious
rapid jewel
no
clever sleet
thanks
vague coyote
once you drop below 90% it starts stacking
clever sleet
I know that
queen fulcrum
Anyone got any idea on the best way to use Ashvanes Razor Coral?
rapid jewel
stack it and use it for dicy situation, if you want to use it on defense. Radiance of aszhara use it in intermission for example.
inner trail
how much parry do you actually get, no way it goes that high with diminishing returns?
naive panther
Gambled a chest. Bfi and if. No bom.... rip me.
rapid jewel
test it, its roughly 6 rppm. But the boss on myhtic radiance hit for nothing, while the adds hit like hell.
inner trail
well you were saying you can go up to 100% parry for 20 seconds, no way that is correct
crit is a incredibly bad stat defensively because of the dr on parry
rapid jewel
you can get 150% crit with it, sure this is just therotecial because of fight length. Still an extra CD matters in my opinion and there aren't good alternatives in the new raid. Also tank DPS matters.
toxic whale
What's the optimal targeted shield buff uptime? 40% or higher with essences?
fathom notch
Yo guys. Just found out that have multiples "Bastion of might" only activates "Ignore pain" once total. You might want to also report this bug on your side so it gets fixed faster.
rapid jewel
@fathom notch not a bug
fathom notch
really? I mean get the mastery bonus from both but not the "Ignore pain"
warm plinth
A lot of traits have things that don't stack and things that do stack. The Ignore Pain on bastion is the part that doesn't stack.
rapid jewel
yeah, deafening crash also dont stack the extension, but the damage for example
warm plinth
Even if it did stack, you couldn't get more than 1.3 casts worth of IP so it wouldn't really make any difference.
analog swift
For windwalkers monks. Multiple DOCJ increase the damage but not the proc, same with GOTD and OPS
night ridge
what azerite traits to go for as protection?
fathom notch
I know for the 1.3x and also for deafening crash. But I tought that it was only deafening crash for the only 1 stack limit
analog swift
pretty much anything that isn't pure damage doesn't stack
effects/procs dont
GENERALLY
lusty grotto
@night ridge read the icy veins guide - you can find it in the pins or in #268491842637660160
warm plinth
Yeah, typically effects of any kind don't stack; Callous Reprisal is the exception rather than the rule.
fathom notch
https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/protection-warrior-pve-tank-azerite-traits-powers-and-armor. If you want a full guide
sand egret
then you have Callous Reprisal to just fuck up everyones shit
fathom notch
But alway have a "Deafening crash" minimum if you are to lazy to read it
Well my bad then for "Bastion of might" then. Thx
warm plinth
👍
analog swift
@exotic spoke https://www.wowhead.com/news=293990/tank-specializations-generate-additional-threat-per-essence-slot?webhook
sick sentinel
I am literally not allowed to use avatar the first 20 seconds of ashvane
and I don't press a lot of buttons
because I take aggro from the bdk
that's why
lusty grotto
ya
i mean
remember when they lowered threat
at BFA prepatch?
WELCOME TO THE FAMOUS OLE BLIZZARD U-TURN
also
i got a pos chest on my azerite roll 😢
lusty grotto
ahh