13-15s mostly spamming
#protection
oblique garnet
exotic spoke
My info was from some 16s we did yesterday
exotic spoke
Didn’t want to gigapull them
strong forum
Not too tryhard
exotic spoke
Yeah pretty much Nome
lusty grotto
hmm I guess I could try for a phial tonight
exotic spoke
16s didn’t feel bad either
oblique garnet
Beguiling is just bad in some dungeons like waycrest
lusty grotto
unless their % goes down with teeming too
exotic spoke
Beguiling doesn’t seem bad. It’s not as mindless as reaping but it’s pretty good
strong forum
Beguiling fucking sucks
oblique garnet
If you get bad door youre gonna overcap so hard
exotic spoke
That’s true, but overcapping doesn’t feel as bad anymore
lusty grotto
lmao
strong forum
And continue screaming at your team
exotic spoke
That’s what rdruid is for
strong forum
Hah, druids
lusty grotto
i just have my brother channel Crackling, that's it
strong forum
Nowhere to be seen
oblique garnet
you can use taunt on it aswell
lusty grotto
use crackling jade -> go to sleep while the boys clear the pack
exotic spoke
No shit? Taunt knocks it back?
lusty grotto
i mean just spam heroic throw
strong forum
Meanwhile grugs just beam into suicide
lusty grotto
if you need it
oblique garnet
Yeah taunt knocks it back
lusty grotto
ITS YOUR JOB NOW MONK
strong forum
So it skips the TP
lusty grotto
oh sorry not tides, i meant enchanted of course
lusty grotto
tides is ezmode unless its on some nerd fucking pack
strong forum
Mostly
lusty grotto
like... uhh… maggots in UR
strong forum
The tides infront of 3rd boss is worse
lusty grotto
lmao
strong forum
I'm having melee taunt it out
exotic spoke
In AD or UR?
lusty grotto
dude enchanted next to shrine 1st boss
exotic spoke
I’ve been able to consistently taunt pull and split packs from emissaries in some places
lusty grotto
people killing themselves
exotic spoke
Like, heading to second boss AD, the pack before the aids pack I was able to split it with taunt on the skeleton furthest to the right
lusty grotto
did a 12? or 13 on sat
body pulling enchanted into it
i just couldn't stop laughing
you know those movies where the bad guys' base is blowing up and they are all like ABORT ABORT
only kind of in slow motion
and then see the healer react slowly to it
fuck i cant stop laughing thinking about it, im getting looks
this code is so bad its funny
exotic spoke
Does it work inefficiently or just doesn’t work?
lusty grotto
Shut up lol
stable cedar
wwhy prot warrior socketing crit ?
exotic spoke
More dps and they felt that they didn’t need more haste
lusty grotto
Which prot Warrior specifically
stable cedar
if you look up the top rio warriors
unkempt palm
If you’re talking about the emissary where there are 3 red mobs and a bunch of yellows on the platform before walking down the steps to the first boss in shrine...why not just pull them all and kill them? It’s an easy aoe fest. @lusty grotto
lusty grotto
I don't because I know how to gear myself
Because the group I was in was slow as fuck and they were pugs
unkempt palm
Lmao that’s fair @lusty grotto
spice ferry
Or play to their level?
spice ferry
I’m not
stable cedar
you know wwhat that is ?
spice ferry
Sorry, on mo ile so I’m slow
If you’re not, then take what they do with a grain of salt
stable cedar
i wouldnt ask if i just copie their build would i ?
lusty grotto
So depending on what you're doing you can opt to not gem haste for it
But honestly they should be using str gems
spice ferry
Also, just because they are doing the highest keys, does not mean they are absolutely correct in all things gearing
stable cedar
but one could say crit isnt terrible for a warrior
spice ferry
Nerfclap for one has been known to make very questionable choices
lusty grotto
No Stat is terrible for warriors
exotic spoke
They should have one of each strength gem and then their secondary of choice
lusty grotto
But crit is useful in high mob count pulls
stable cedar
alright thanks
spice ferry
Haste is better if you aren’t pulling big
unkempt palm
All the prot warriors secondaries are good haste being the best imo but the rest? They’re all close together in terms of being “good”
stable cedar
i personally go haste to have a highter shieldblock uptime
spice ferry
Or if you’re not defensively fully capable yet
lusty grotto
Yup. Konrad
exotic spoke
@stable cedar they do too - they just decided more dps is what they wanted then
lusty grotto
Dps and parry
exotic spoke
Yeah, but they likely did it for the dps. The parry is just a nice side effect
unkempt palm
Do you guys use any type of floating text to see what you parry, dodge, block etc? Or what type of damage is incoming?
spice ferry
Warrior has the tools within its kit to handle just about anything IF played optimally. If you can play the class very well, then you gain more by gearing offensivelyz
dreamy trench
you guys think warrior monk is superior to double monk for raidtanking?
for this tier
oblique garnet
It depends entirely on a fight
spice ferry
Both are good combos in general
exotic spoke
No Jambo I don’t. If I see the number it’s too late
lusty grotto
Monk is a safe pick usually in progression
unkempt palm
@exotic spoke fair. But not even for a future reference?
spice ferry
Outside of fights like aggramar/mekka where grip is mandatory
dreamy trench
I saw method did warrior monk for almost all bosses
but pretty much everyother guild doing double monk
spice ferry
Okay so what content are you doing
exotic spoke
I just see my healthbar and if I’m chunking or my rdruid is calling out he’s externaling me then I know it’s bad.
But overall the only times it’s an issue is when we (my group) fuck up
spice ferry
This conversation is clearly a “is x tank good enough” so let’s skip to the part that matters
@dreamy trench are you a mythic raider?
exotic spoke
All tanks are viable
exotic spoke
Then you should know that all tanks are viable for content
oblique garnet
on ashvane warrior monk is good combo
dreamy trench
and I want to gear an alt, just wondering if monk is worth it
exotic spoke
Some may be more desirable but. All are good.
dreamy trench
or if I should just go for paladin or something for fun
spice ferry
Monk is a good alt
oblique garnet
because warriors can use thunderclap while in the bubble
dreamy trench
I know they are viable @exotic spoke
dreamy trench
was just curious what others feel is the best
spice ferry
If you want the “best” alt for your guild, this tier, monk
oblique garnet
On ashvane imo monk warrior is the best combo
spice ferry
Though I doubt there will be a situation where you’ll need to swap
Maybe paladin too
oblique garnet
And just have the warrior take every bubble
Even if they dont have berserker rage up
dreamy trench
we were doing monk warrior druid for lady ashvane
with the druid taking bubbles, but havent done too many tries yet
exotic spoke
Why not?
I meant the ones that Incap you
lusty grotto
Briny
oblique garnet
We cant live the soaking bubbles as long as guardian can for example
oblique garnet
Yeah guardian should soak those
lusty grotto
Wait
sand egret
🐻
lusty grotto
You're triple tanking?
dreamy trench
yes
lusty grotto
Monk warrior druid
dreamy trench
correct
oblique garnet
You kinda need 3 tanks for ashvane atm
lusty grotto
For mythic?
oblique garnet
Yes
dreamy trench
y
lusty grotto
Gotcha
dreamy trench
warrior should taunt rightbefore briny bubble @oblique garnet ?
oblique garnet
Yeah
honest frigate
Guardian definitely best out of 3 to soak
dreamy trench
alright, thx for the tips
oblique garnet
You can just berserker rage it whenever its up
And when its not up just use avatar before so you can keep dpsing the bubbles and the boss
exotic spoke
Yeah, you can TC while uncapped. It’s kinda funny lol
dreamy trench
ah right
exotic spoke
Now you spoiled my secret Late
dreamy trench
thats nifty
lusty grotto
I don't think he's the warrior
exotic spoke
No but all you other guys are and now know
dreamy trench
I am the warrior, if you meant me
lusty grotto
Odd that you say warrior should taunt in 3rd person
Anyway that's me being autistic
Carry on
grand drum
You guys the thing about raid finder wing 1 live? theres a warrior using a 2hander with a shield
hardy holly
Someone of you had the luck to find " The General's Heart " trinket from timewalking ulduar this week?
grand drum
exotic spoke
I miss having the stances a little. But then I realize with all of the pruning there wouldn’t be enough to flush each one out
sick sentinel
do I need null for ashvane?
because if I do I need to farm the shit out of spare parts rn
spice ferry
Could also be a arms war with defensive stance couldn’t it?
Or does that not use shield in bag?
exotic spoke
Can’t get the galvanics fast enough. And yeah kaege I think we do - from what I heard from late / fumeiyo
patent flower
440 Rezans / 430 Edicts / 405 Diamond with leech/socket. Should I double on the absorb for mythic prog? 🤔
sick sentinel
that was fast
20 mins was 12 spare crates
not that bad
@patent flower use that rezans no matter what imo
exotic spoke
Oh, you didn’t need galvanics. Yeah cranes are easy
And I’d agree with kaege on the rezans
spice ferry
That’s a juicy rezans
patent flower
I like edict for the option of magic/physical but I feel like my diamond is better
lusty grotto
wait what
fury warriors have def stance? i thought that was arms only pvp talent now
a 405...
no
exotic spoke
Edicts at 25 Ilvl is better
lusty grotto
agreed
rapid jewel
you are sure about that? it doesnt scale with haste and the stacking take ages
patent flower
The ramp takes awhile and my diamond is 405 w/socket & leech.
lusty grotto
its 25 ilvls higher
exotic spoke
Yes, based on what Marok said. Let me see if I can find it
patent flower
The is "technically" 25 ilvl...but my diamond has leech and a socket aking it a lot better - than just a 405 diamond*.
lusty grotto
no
leech is not better
stop
you're not even memeing the leech
YIKERS
a socket AND MUCH LESS LEECH does not make it better
strong forum
edict sucks but its much higher ilvl than the diamond, making it equal if not better
patent flower
Diamond did 120k more absorb in hroic for me on every boss than edict did...
rapid jewel
yeah still I would rate coral higher then shitty edict, at least it gives you some parry on demand
strong forum
ye but edict is vs magic only way better
exotic spoke
I can’t find it, but I asked with in the last week about god tier Titan forges and basically decided not worth it
patent flower
True
strong forum
cuz diamond always takes 18 away from everything
whereas edict takes 40k magic away
exotic spoke
And magic on ashvane is nice
strong forum
every 40 seconds sure, but effectively its better
ah you have heroic edict, making it actually decent
i only have the 415 which is borderline useless
it scales extremely well with ilvl
exotic spoke
Heroic edict + rezans imo
exotic spoke
If you had urchin I may use that over edict
patent flower
I dont have urchin yet but I am going for that
sand egret
Edict's amplification of absorption effects is limited just to the trinket itself right? Aka, if you toggled it to Magic it wouldn't apply to say, Null Barrier/that essence
strong forum
yes
sand egret
gotcha
sick sentinel
I hate this
lusty grotto
same 😦
sick sentinel
why
lusty grotto
gotta do the 7 chests + 1 in the alternate version
its 7 chest cap
sometimes they drop from them
other than the one you get from doing the WQ
its bs, they should let you craft them with crates
literally time locked
exotic spoke
I didn’t think it was a 7 chest cap
But yeah, kaege I spent a fuck ton on rolling for TF
lusty grotto
to think just about everything useful uses oscilators
even r2 VoP
its 7 chest in normal version + 1 chest in alternate future
after those, no chests should pop up
and its obviously super rng
sometimes you get one, sometimes you don't
i want it just to see how much dmg it does
nullification dynamo i mean
analog swift
super obnoxious
lusty grotto
yup
lusty grotto
rep locked and super time gated
lusty grotto
i dont mind time gates, but this one is fucking extreme
analog swift
i wish dailies accumulated like conquest points
well daily time gated
so if i want to wait until Sunday to do 30 world quests I should
lusty grotto
yeah
that would be great
that's the same issue i have with certain time restricted stuff like Apex s2 thing
warm plinth
Yeah, wouldn't hurt anything, since the people who like doing a little each day wouldn't be affected.
lusty grotto
(and BFVs tides of war unlocks)
if your main player is a working person, and even if they weren't, nobody wants to play the game just for unlocks because time is running out
exotic spoke
I hate the 12 hour only WQs... like seriously? Wtf
lusty grotto
all games should make it so they add up
up to a certain point
i would gladly put in 14 hours of dailies and shit on weekends for that
potent anvil
I finished farming crates for r3 null 
Imagine farming for 70 crates within a week to get r3 pp and null 😞
lusty grotto
but during the work week that's not gonna happen
warm plinth
Yeah the only thing I'm wondering about is how they would implement it. I can't see how they could do it without making you log in and like...selecting which ones you wanted to bank for another day.
Because otherwise your map is just gonna be fucked up with WQ icons by the end of the week
exotic spoke
Like I can’t do dailies / WQ on Tuesdays and Thursday’s. Wake up at 8 ish and they haven’t reset. Work -> raid -> m+ push group. Finish up at 1-2 am and start all over
warm plinth
Yeah, that too.
warm plinth
His name isn't Deswind 🤔
sand egret
Benchwind*
warm plinth
^
exotic spoke
Oof Rip
sick sentinel
1 question guys, if i wanna go FULL survival tankfor which stats i should go? Haste and versa? And i got 3 trinkets: 430 rezan eye, meccagon trinket with 171 haste card and the trinket from queen court 420 that absorb phisic or magic. Should i change my 3 BOM azer traits too into something else?
sand egret
most stats best stats
potent anvil
The bench gives me time to farm
lusty grotto
fml i forgot the r3 doesnt show up unless you have the r2
sand egret
I have mixed feels on time gated stuff (going back to it) but I think there is a middle ground for some stuff
potent anvil
Yeah, but its reduced cost once you learn the r3. So instead of 40 crates, its 30 lol
analog swift
Make em like emissaries
lusty grotto
literally 25 oscillators for r2 and r3
oh right
right right
i forgot that
its 8 osci r2?
analog swift
3 days to do all the dailies or w/e
lusty grotto
so like 13 osci r3? fuck that's still too much
potent anvil
hmm, i dont remember how much oscillators for r2 reduced. It's 6 for r3 after you learn another r3.
lusty grotto
hmm
warm plinth
Not only that, but (at least for the Naz ones) you can't actually purchase the R3 essence without learning the R2 one
lusty grotto
ok ok that's not bad i guess
potent anvil
So 12 for the initial I think?
warm plinth
Even though it shows up in the vendor
potent anvil
Or 8? I forget, but I had enough just not the crates lol
lusty grotto
ya ghash
warm plinth
So you literally have to go to Silithus and then go back. So stupid.
warm plinth
It's just unnecessary is all
lusty grotto
MECHAGON IS IN AFRICA FOR HORDE
patent flower
Should I stick with x2 DC or drop one for an IF?
warm plinth
I mean, everything is in Africa for Horde
patent flower
Thanks for all the feedback btw
lusty grotto
cmon nazj is kinda at the portal room
warm plinth
DC for damage, IF for added survival+a bit of damage
lusty grotto
which is fine for me
lusty grotto
hey guys lets put the mechagon portal in Africa so horde bitch more about their city being retarded
warm plinth
I haven't gone to Mecha on my war yet so idk, but I do know that the benthic vendor not being near the upgrade guy was triggering. Especially since Wowhead's benthic armor post literally doesn't say who the NPCs that sell the gear are.
lusty grotto
uhh
warm plinth
It took me an embarrassingly long time to find the vendor on alliance
lusty grotto
but it is right beside it
warm plinth
Not on alliance
lusty grotto
oooooo
warm plinth
On horde it is
lusty grotto
TAKE THAT ALLIANCE
potent anvil
I love boarding the Greasy Eel
sand egret
not gonna lie, the Mechagon portal for horde is not that far away
exotic spoke
Who doesn’t have the teleporter now?
warm plinth
Yeah idk, I'm just used to Dazar'alor now I guess. I still think the layout is trash though.
sand egret
i just glide down?
exotic spoke
I mean honestly
sand egret
or fly to the FP right next to it?
lusty grotto
im not using my oscillators goddamn it
sand egret
alliance has to take a long ass flight
sand egret
horde just hop on the ol' greasy eel baby
patent flower
Cool going, 3xBoM, 1x If, 1x BfI, 1x DC, 2 Resounding and 1 Gemhide. Feels about right.
lusty grotto
ehhhhh
exotic spoke
Fucking horde bias
sand egret
GREASY EEL
lusty grotto
who has a portal?
sand egret
GREASY
exotic spoke
You just said you did
sand egret
MOFUGGIN
lusty grotto
wait
sand egret
EEL
lusty grotto
alliance have to fly?
sand egret
YES
lusty grotto
literally?
sand egret
you twit
lusty grotto
FUCK YES we win
exotic spoke
Yes we do
exotic spoke
You always win. It’s bullshit (other than your city. Your city is aids)
sand egret
here you bitching bout Africa and their shit is in East Antarctica
warm plinth
@exotic spoke I decided to gear up my war and keep it alliance btw.
warm plinth
You're a greasy eel
exotic spoke
Oh very nice! Come to shithoof - I mean bloodhoof and I’ll go vote you
lusty grotto
reclaim rebuild recycle
warm plinth
Not you, Riki
sand egret
I like to imagine Riki's server is so small they manually vote every new person in
lusty grotto
also a hoof
warm plinth
Ohhh, I mean, that makes sense since I've never heard of Bloodhoof
exotic spoke
My servers name is bloodhoof. But it’s shit and mostly dead (even after a merger)
lusty grotto
what server merged for it?
exotic spoke
Duskwood
warm plinth
My warrior's server is pretty small too
warm plinth
I'm on Aerie Peak
exotic spoke
We will be the only guild to get any mythic progress on the server
lusty grotto
i didnt even know duskwood had disappeared
warm plinth
Idt we get any on our server since Easy left for Mal'ganis (and pretty sure they went Horde too). I don't even know if they still raid though lol.
exotic spoke
The ONLY guild to make ANY mythic progress before they can cross server I bet
exotic spoke
It hasn’t nim. It’s just we’re together
sand egret
😎
lusty grotto
oh i see
warm plinth
yeah, just connected realms
exotic spoke
Hence “best prot warrior on a shit server” and o don’t say I’m good
Just king of shit mountain
lusty grotto
what's BDF connected to
warm plinth
But my alliance DH is on Altar of Storms which is connected to Ysondre, Anetheron, and Magtheridon and it's still small af
sand egret
I mean, I was the top prot on my realm at like 1.3k last season....soo you think your shit mountain is bad...try my shit molehill
exotic spoke
Lol.l
lusty grotto
good lord
warm plinth
Better than Aerie, but Mag isn't as big as it used to be
warm plinth
The other was @outer dew (probably)
oblique garnet
@potent anvil You excited to play melee dps on azhara? 8)
outer dew
@warm plinth that's toxic. My benchmark so low
lusty grotto
traitor
exotic spoke
No one has killed Jaina on my server. I’m going to push to go back and try towards the end of this tier
exotic spoke
In mythic no
warm plinth
Jesus
exotic spoke
Literally only guild with any mythic progression on my server. We’re decent but not great
lusty grotto
fuck just the fact that i have to do dailies again for essences to play my rogue
warm plinth
Checking my server now lol
sand egret
the fact that the rep-related esseneces aren't bound is a travesty
lusty grotto
yeah fuck doing the goddamn quests again
sand egret
i get the M+ stuff and like VoP/the raid
i get that shit
but like
Revered with Rustbolt?!
come on.
exotic spoke
From end of tier in BoD
warm plinth
Holy shit lol
lusty grotto
excuse me revered with rustbolt is easy
sand egret
is it?
warm plinth
On Aerie Peak, the top 20 (except 1 guild) is alliance
lusty grotto
yes
warm plinth
😮
lusty grotto
as long as you do alternate future
sand egret
and by "easy" i mean not like shoot my brains out grinding
warm plinth
4 guilds are 9/9 BoD though so not as sad as Riki's. The only horde guild on the list is 5/9
exotic spoke
Twilight of the dark is the horde alt guild of “Dark Twilight” they exploded after ghuun
sand egret
cuz AP grinding is "easy" but fuck that shit
exotic spoke
So we are the place to go for raiding on server. But unfortunately most people can’t cut it or don’t want to. It’s hard to fucking recruit cross server
warm plinth
I mean, just do the WQ, do junkwatt, and do the alternate timeline
That's the vast majority of the rep anyway
sand egret
well Rustbolt is what I got left for flying
lusty grotto
ya
warm plinth
Alternate timeline is killing one rare and doing 2 quests (which you have to have the vaultbot key for), or just doing 2 quests if Chromie is up since you can't do the rare
lusty grotto
yup
potent anvil
@oblique garnet Revvez pumps on Azshara, ngl
warm plinth
@exotic spoke I'm not a mythic quality player anyway I don't think.
I'm what you call overwhelmingly average.
oblique garnet
https://clips.twitch.tv/UnsightlyAbnegateParrotFutureMan @potent anvil Yeah he does when this doesnt happend xd
exotic spoke
Then you’re someone we could work with. Only have two nights a week of raiding. Offnight other shit
We’re pretty casual
warm plinth
What hours do you raid?
exotic spoke
830 - 1130 eastern Tuesday/ Thursday
warm plinth
Ah, RIP. I don't even get off work til 9:30 eastern lol
exotic spoke
That’s a rip
warm plinth
Yeah I work noon-8:30pm central
warm plinth
Nah, it's like a 10 min drive
warm plinth
I don't have traffic up here either because I'm north of the city
lusty grotto
10 min commutes are feelsgoodman
warm plinth
Yep. I used to drive 45 minutes and was on call. It sucked lol.
lusty grotto
anything past 45 mins is a no go for me :\
id rather pay higher rent
i have that philosophy, cause when you think about it
you're basically spending so much time on a commute
warm plinth
I was paying $200 a month living there (rent and everything included) so it was worth it at the time.
lusty grotto
minutes turn into days, and they turn into months of your life stuck on traffic
warm plinth
Yeah. I was roommates with a guy who got engaged and they bought a house. Let me stay in their finished basement for about a year and just pay $200 a month.
lusty grotto
nice
exotic spoke
Still worth. Cheapest I was able to find a decent place at around here is like $1k
warm plinth
Yeah my apartment now is $815/mo for a nice 2-bedroom
exotic spoke
First floor (not basement) from an older couple
lusty grotto
ah
warm plinth
But I live in the midwest so everything is cheaper here lol
lusty grotto
815 is super cheap
exotic spoke
Truth mine was 1 bedroom
warm plinth
Phew. Yeah no thanks lol.
lusty grotto
yea
exotic spoke
Yeah I had that with my ex for a bit
warm plinth
So I started gearing up my war a couple days ago and man...I was stupid rusty at first. I almost was like man I can't even play this spec anymore lol.
exotic spoke
Anyway, I guess I should do some work
warm plinth
Been having too easy a time playing havoc I guess XD
versed blade
Sometimes I wonder if I’m performing at the level you guys are or if I’m playing sub par on my warrior
oblique garnet
You dont need much experience to be on ghashs lvl 8) he is 91 io god afterall
warm plinth
Fuck I was about to make a self-deprecating comment and Late beat me to it
And uh, it's 59 io, get it right
I do have some r.io score for tanking this season though. Just not on a warrior.
spice ferry
Sean there are plenty of people here who are casual, plenty here who are ce raiders. It’s a fantastic mix
warm plinth
Plus you shouldn't assume that knowledge = skill. I know a lot of shit, but as I said earlier, I'm overwhelmingly average.
spice ferry
Knowledge does not guarantee execution
And execution gets you the kills/achieves etc
warm plinth
I have literally not even seen a raid boss this expansion outside of Twitch clips, not even LFR 😂
spice ferry
Just m+?
warm plinth
I wasn't even doing that until late S2 tbh. I was just chilling leveling alts
And spouting my nonsense to Skyhold of course
spice ferry
lol
I got all classes to cap so I don’t really have much else to do that I enjoy now
I refuse to lvl one for each faction
warm plinth
If I could force myself to level my 111 warlock and 97 rogue, I'd have everything at 120. But can't force myself to do the warlock because I find them incredibly boring (she's only 111 because of my free BfA boost and half-assed Legion assaults). I'll level the rogue eventually; I feel like if I can level one to 120 it'll be fun but it's kinda meh right now
But I have a DH and a paladin on both sides at 120
grand drum
i hate leveling once i get to 110
warm plinth
Not that DH really counts since they start at 98 lol
Leveling in BfA is much better on alliance side, but I will say that my horde paladin was way better than my horde mage since I had flying for him
Zuldazar is actually kinda fun to do when you don't have to find your way through all the stupid mountain paths and cliffs
sand egret
Looking at ya'lls rent prices just made me shed a tear, @warm plinth
warm plinth
lol, why's that?
sand egret
I live in Boston.
exotic spoke
That’s a fucking Rip
sand egret
1400 for a 1-bedroom is cheap
warm plinth
That's more rip than me not being able to make Riki's guild's raid times
sand egret
not that i know of
exotic spoke
Lol
spice ferry
I hate bfa lvling because I’ve done it so much. I enjoyed it early
warm plinth
You really should be. You got the dad humor down pat.
spice ferry
Then started to dislike it half way through my alts. Then loathed it as I finished the last couple
sand egret
i was born with it, but also my name isn't Pat
spice ferry
Atleast in legion we could invasion lvl easily
warm plinth
You can island level 😏
warm plinth
Timewalking is how to fuckin do it now, no lie
sand egret
granted I only do tank specs so its a breeze
warm plinth
440k xp for a dungeon is no fucking joke
sand egret
instant queues + you controll the pull cadence = speedy fast, esp if your "alts" have legit gear
(for their level)
warm plinth
Especially if you're leveling legion toons that have legendaries lol
sand egret
yeah then it's an actual joke
warm plinth
Part of me wishes that they'd just give you Sephuz and a random non-heirloom slot legendary at 110 automatically lol
sand egret
or just dramatically increase the legendary drop rates from quest rewards in legion zones/sub 110 dungeon runs
so from 100-115
warm plinth
Yeah
warm plinth
Oh yeah I didn't even think about that lol
modern brook
honestly
they could give me 18 free 120 character boosts
and i still wouldnt play any of my alts
because the neck grind is fucking aids
warm plinth
I guess that depends where you're trying to get. Level 50 neck feels pretty effortless tbh
modern brook
Sub 55 feels like playing with 1 ring, TBH
warm plinth
I'm just saying the grind isn't as large as you'd think it would be. And it's just going to get easier as AK goes up.
modern brook
i thought they nuked AK?
warm plinth
Did they? I might be wrong; I haven't seen anything about them stopping it though.
modern brook
I thought they stopped it like a month before 8.2
warm plinth
Last thing I saw was wowhead's article that has an end date of September 17
modern brook
IDK TBH im probably wrong
I've been really hot and cold with wow for the last few months
warm plinth
Well, their post says they weren't sure if it was happening or not but since they didn't say anything since then (that I saw), I imagine it's still happening.
modern brook
@lusty grotto i just realized that thanks to our end of season pushing i ended highest in my guild for io
❤ ty fam
i take back my bitch then, ty for the info ghash :^)
warm plinth
It looks like it might be ahead of the table I'm looking at a bit though. But for example, their chart says August 20th, 54-55 should be down to 22.8k and that's what I just had to get for my DH to get 55
So I'm guessing it probably started back up when the season began
modern brook
sounds possible
Im also not a fan of having to unlock the crucible stuff across each alt
'sjust tedious
warm plinth
Yeah I will definitely agree that this patch is not alt friendly, even if you take AP out of the equation
modern brook
which is too bad
warm plinth
Just the essence farm on all your alts is pretty fucking horrible
Especially if you need the rep ones
modern brook
Yeah i was about to say
like the dungeon onea re a big whatever
just do a 10 per week on ur alt and ur there eventually, its an alt 🤷
warm plinth
Yeah, half-assed 3 week process basically, and you get rank 2 in the meantime
modern brook
I just burned out in 8.1.5 cause i played like only outlaw
i wanna have the freedom to do things that sint sword->gun
warm plinth
What are you playing now?
modern brook
Ass :^(
@lusty grotto wont let me play sub
still on the hunt to find a RDPS i enjoy
and obvs prot war for tanking
though my guild doesnt need me for raid so he's pretty 2ndary rn
warm plinth
Idk the only RDPS I can tolerate are ele sham and BM hunter
And BM is basically because it has infinite mobility lol
modern brook
Big issue for me is im looking for RPDS for M+ 😬
and i desperately want it to be destro lock
warm plinth
Both of those specs are pretty good for M+ though
modern brook
Ele and BM?
warm plinth
Yeah. They're not meta of course, but no ranged DPS are meta right now lol
modern brook
I havent given BM a respectful check because i hate hunters
but i couldnt get into any shaman spec, tbh
warm plinth
BM is actually really nice for M+ imo. If they had a shorter CD interrupt I'd have nothing bad to say about them.
potent anvil
BM hunter is pretty strong. Especially in aoe. Spam multi-shot, do absurd amounts of aoe, ez.
modern brook
everytime i look at hunter specs i wantt o play surv :^(
warm plinth
lol. Surv is probably okay but doesn't have quite as much utility. Like you don't get the spirit beast I don't think as surv.
modern brook
Yeah idt you do
warm plinth
But I've heard it's pretty fun
tropic star
so anyone have stats oin the mechagon rings
have 2 415s one with socket
use 3 different abilities to get 160haste
but i also have a 450 ring
hollow mural
from what I saw it was like 15ilevels on each ring is what the procs are worth
modern brook
^
Im p sure Marok covers it in the Icy vein guides
and iirc, its "15 total across both rings" so if you have them at 415 /415, and another pair at 415/435; you break it for the 435
thats off memory so grain of salt
hardy holly
I dont remember who told me that the reason of me taking too much damage was because of the low ilvl shield
But he was damn right
I was level 415 with a 380 shield, now i got a 430 one from heroic warfront
exotic spoke
Hi :). I think a bunch of us did though
hardy holly
I literally take half damage
warm plinth
Yeah it was a few of us haha
warm plinth
Glad to see you got a new one though.
hardy holly
Like 1.5k armor difference
warm plinth
Block rating my friend
hardy holly
oh!
exotic spoke
Yeah 1.5 armor so it’s actually bigger for block value
warm plinth
Armor is pretty big too though when it’s that much difference lol
exotic spoke
What Ilvl does it come to be out of time walking
hardy holly
I don't have the screenshot for the timewalk version but it gives 197 versatility and reduces damage per attack by 2600
Now
In a situation where I am against multiple mobs that hit for low damage
exotic spoke
I wonder if that’s pre block or post block
hardy holly
Doesn't that basically reduce all my incoming damage?
exotic spoke
That would make a world of difference
warm plinth
Iirc most of those types of trinkets have an ICD on the effect
hardy holly
At least as for wowhead comment state
warm plinth
You can drop down the difficulty though and see TW version
exotic spoke
Yeah because it’s a proc that gives the shield - probably about 1 ppm.
hardy holly
warm plinth
Yeah though to be fair, ICDs often aren't mentioned on wowhead. Even PPM info isn't always on there.
hardy holly
No, wait
warm plinth
But yeah since it's a proc, it's probably not limited other than by the proc rate
hardy holly
I am not stating that it doesn't have an idc because it's not stated on wowhead but because
comments on wowhead specifically state it has no icd
warm plinth
Oh, gotcha
hardy holly
UNLESS i am making confusion with another one
Because yesterday I checked many, will do it agai
In any case assuming I receive continous hits of 2-3k each
exotic spoke
Even if it was up 100% of the time - it would matter pre block or post block
exotic spoke
And I don’t know the answer
oblique garnet
Its raw damage
sand egret
post block would be batshit
warm plinth
Says approximately 1.69 ppm and yeah I'm pretty sure all of those are pre-block
exotic spoke
Not worth. And yes it would blade
warm plinth
But unfortunately the difference is either it's shit if it's pre-block or broken if it's post-block lol
exotic spoke
So vraestin while the effect is up you will see a reduction in damage of maybe 500.
Per swing
hardy holly
Well so specifically for aoe fights it would be good I presume
Not like i'll ever get my hands on it but
exotic spoke
Not really
warm plinth
There's also a comment on wowhead stating a cap on the effect too. Not sure if that is still in effect but that would make it even worse than it already is.
hardy holly
Oh well
warm plinth
The comment is from when it was a current trinket but I don't think they typically change those for the TW versions other than like if they had dodge rating (like this one) or something before.
hardy holly
For now I am using mechagon trinket with anomaly
I don't think I can find better than that
exotic spoke
Because on aoe fights it’s usually donenin waves. If so you’ll have avatar up. With avatar up you’ll get even less benefit from it with BoM mastery providing crit block
hardy holly
I have it fully stacked at 99 stacks, having +25% dodge
exotic spoke
Wait - is it consistently up that high?
warm plinth
If you chain pull I think you can keep it at that
hardy holly
It will never be for m+ fights
But I farm instances for raw gold
So I keep it stacked without a problem
exotic spoke
I think you underestimate some of us and pull sizes
hardy holly
Oh sorry for that I don't know much about m+
Maybe it would be good even there
All i know is that i have it at 99 stacks perma
sand egret
dodge trinket/card is something I am personally farming for
sand egret
do tell
exotic spoke
It’s inefficient to do a single pack at a time. You usually want 2+ packs minimum once you know you can handle it
hardy holly
I found a way through mechagon in which you can simply go and just pull the little non elite mobs
About 18 of them per run, with 1% of drop change of anomaly per mob
So 18% per run
I found it after 10 runs more or less
sand egret
i'll be doing it on my druid (so I can stealth) but good to know I can just farm the non-elites
hardy holly
The problem was not stealthing or not
exotic spoke
Shit, I wonder what the up time is in m+
hardy holly
But was knowing where you can go not to make other elites attack you
EVEN THO
at that time i still had 380 shield
sand egret
haha true true
hardy holly
Just for info tho anomaly is damn wrongly scaled titanwalk dungeons
exotic stirrup
Is there some kickass bentic effects for prot aswell btw? Like for example bentic 420 crit boots scale better then mythic raid boots due effect beeing so strong
wispy plume
Y’all got me wanting to try the dodge trinket now lol. I have a 420 card
sand egret
oh i bet that shit scales stupidly in TW
warm plinth
Yeah since it provides fixed dodge rating and probably isn't scaled down lol
sand egret
yeah...lol
exotic spoke
Yes tlover. Icy veins has some listed that are defensively oriented. Otherwise you want what the dps want if you don’t need survivability
warm plinth
But yeah it seems like you can keep it perma-stacked as long as you are consistently taking physical damage.
sand egret
I'm prob gonna go farm that shit tonight tbh
exotic spoke
Duck it, testing it tomorrow on behemoth
hardy holly
Last info I can give you about that is not to go for titanforge because that is wrongly scaled too
you get +1 dodge per proc each 10 ilvl
So not worth
sand egret
I have the optimizer in right now, and while very meme-worthy (who loves having like 40% vers) I want to swap out my Red card
exotic spoke
Ah but you’re not think vraestin- the higher Ilvl dodge card you have the better your yellow card will be
warm plinth
I mean, on ST you could probably drop stacks very easily. And you would gain stacks slowly too.
hardy holly
On st it's useless i think
exotic spoke
@warm plinth I’m basically solo tanking the fight
hardy holly
even if you can keep stacking, the time you have 99 stacks the fight is overt
warm plinth
Yeah but think of it like this...boss has average what, 2 sec swing timer?
If you're dodging 25%, then you have your parry as well
exotic spoke
At 50 stacks he attacks fast as fuck - I think multiple times per second
warm plinth
Oh I see
sand egret
yeah it's way more about those types of mobs/multi-mob
warm plinth
Yeah in M+ I could see it being pretty crazy
sand egret
that's why I want it
lusty grotto
who tagged me
exotic spoke
At 50 stacks he has an attack speed buff of 400%
warm plinth
Whew
So if he has a normal attack speed of 2.0, that's what, 2 hits per second at 400%?
lusty grotto
@modern brook ☎ 🐶
sand egret
every .4 seconds
warm plinth
That's pretty fast lul
sand egret
yeeep
exotic spoke
Yeah. I get my dk to reset stacks like once a phase if that.
sand egret
although speaking of cards...I got the blue one for falling damage and holy shit is that thing awesome
exotic spoke
It’s amazing for world pvp. I ain’t scared of no net guns
sand egret
its soooo good
warm plinth
What is it, like every fall that exceeds ~20 yards is immuned?
exotic spoke
It happens other times too. Even some short ones - like real short
sand egret
i'm pretty sure it counts distance traveled within a time frame
exotic spoke
Like I jump whilenin water and it procs some times
sand egret
yep since you're technically incrementing the "fall state"
exotic spoke
sand egret
so once you "fill" it to the threshold it triggers.
exotic spoke
There’s the buff graph for Blackwater from Tuesday
sand egret
Pretty sure that threshold is at > your hp in fall damage
or maybe like 50% hp.
can you do a graph of auto-attack timings?
exotic spoke
Maybe? Not sure how
exotic spoke
It’s about .4/.5 second at that point
Trying to - also have to make it look like I’m working though
sand egret
haha
exotic spoke
Sorry. I was wrong. It’s like 0.3 seconds
lusty grotto
a vdh told me to swap at 15 because at 25 they would get demolished
exotic spoke
Getting the log
lusty grotto
im like what im too busy blocking
exotic spoke
Tell him “just taunt when I say so” and listen to their voice as you approach 50 stacks
lusty grotto
i just feel bad whenever i pull agro
exotic spoke
warm plinth
Premature Avatulation is the technical term I think
lusty grotto
yes
sand egret
sounds like you got a limp dh
exotic spoke
I mean - my bdk hates me. He can’t parse lol
sand egret
cuz that spec is lowkey beastly now
exotic spoke
Maybe I’ll let him do it
lusty grotto
lowkey beastly for getting fucked in the ass on 25 stack behemoth
sand egret
Meta going to push into the million HP levels Legion style
rapid jewel
why the fuck are hitting the adds on aszhara glanz like a truck and the boss like a wet noodle
lusty grotto
also lowkey beastly for getting rammed on ozogarneanranraranwoarao
ozagageargaea
i cant fucking type his name goddamn
warm plinth
Orgonzoa? or whatever
sand egret
eh, sounds like a case of limp dh to me
exotic spoke
Yeah we know who you’re talking about
lusty grotto
Oganznanznanansa
sand egret
Organzola
warm plinth
Just call him Gorgonzola
grand drum
gorgonzola
warm plinth
He's a cheese
lusty grotto
this is easy to remember so it will forever be gorgonzola
i just had a mini heart attack
for some reason i thought it was tuesday
exotic spoke
But yeah. I think I’m going to try the dodge punch card tomorrow on that. I bet I can keep it stacked still even if it gets to 99
coral mountain
So... I'm usually fury. So don't know too much about trinkets for prot. Just got Lingering Sporepods... <.< How sad should I be?
exotic spoke
Very
sand egret
Really sad
novel temple
did they nerf vision of perfection?
sand egret
Nope
coral mountain
Yeah, that's what I thought..
novel temple
cause i thought my avatar was 1.1 min CD
coral mountain
Ofcause I got it as a 450, TF.. <.<
sand egret
Sorry bruh, honestly keep your spec to Fury unless you hunting for that shield/1h
sand egret
true
lusty grotto
Carl
exotic spoke
Rollyson, it was bugged and counted it twice last week. On Tuesday it was fixed
sand egret
i'd swap for a few bosses
coral mountain
I'm hunting for a 1h 😛 Want to tank with the mates in keys.
I was a fool scrapping it late s2.
exotic spoke
Me too :(. Why can’t I get a 1 hand
lusty grotto
me too, why cant i get a non pos trinket
sand egret
😃
lusty grotto
yo
coral mountain
Yeah, I was dump 😄
lusty grotto
fury is so good
sand egret
more chance for a vial
lusty grotto
for keys
sand egret
I mean, as loot spec
coral mountain
We've got a prob with tanks in the guild 😛 Not enough for running keys.
sand egret
this is no way an endorsement to play a lame DPS role
coral mountain
And well, did it a fair amount in s2 😛
exotic spoke
Fair. I don’t know what keys I’m running this week yet.
lusty grotto
ahem blade yes
novel temple
oh rip lol
lusty grotto
i didnt say that
exotic spoke
@coral mountain that sounds like a dps problem
coral mountain
😂
sand egret
!!
lusty grotto
🗞 🗞 🗞 🗞
sand egret
now a hairy, very thiccc ball of crap 😃
lusty grotto
🗞 🗞 🗞 🗞 🗞
exotic spoke
KT thicc?
lusty grotto
newspaper to the nose
sand egret
hulk-y thicc
sweet kettle
4 stacks of ashvane debuff does some dmg
warm plinth
KT bois are best bois
sand egret
yeah if i was ally i'd be KT
exotic spoke
I mean - I’m sold
warm plinth
They write the lore; make it fuckin happen
lusty grotto
wet lump of coal travel form in water
ghost pepper fart flight form
looks like we got us a DiD druid guys
warm plinth
Just the fucking Chili's pepper flying through the air with a trail of fire
sand egret
actually, just got off the phone with the lead designer on it. They actually only have one form, that applies to all.
Beard Form.
warm plinth
lol
oblique garnet
What is going on here?🤔
sand egret
just a beard with legs. nothing to see here.
magic oak
Hi guys, I have a question, which azerite headpiece is the best one from the Conquest Reward this week, any suggestions?
lusty grotto
the one with BoM + BFI/IF/MS/DC(if you don't have one) and OP/HmC/Flames
wait
is this for keys ?
or for raid ?
magic oak
for keys
lusty grotto
ok yes that applies
hard sigil
hmm witch of the two bentic waists is better i guess the one with extra threat?
lusty grotto
whichever, since you will replace them anyway
(also they don't work for keys)
aberration one might be slightly better
since we really do not need help with threat
hard sigil
kk thx!
sweet kettle
@oblique garnet you like memes?
oblique garnet
Yes
sweet kettle
oblique garnet
Yup
sweet kettle
big oof
exotic spoke
I mean - not really. That’s what crit block is for
The big oof would be if you didn’t block
lucid dew
What are the views on the punch card trinket for prot
is there any consensus on BIS trinkets
stiff parcel
Can anyone tell me if the weapon you can get out of wycrest manor is good ? cant find an info on that.