basically casted every time LS was up
#protection
lusty grotto
164k might be cheating cause it was on 1st boss with its debuffs
low keys are rough to test it on since shit dies way too fast anyway
and i couldn't triple/quad pull cause my pug group was derping at explosives
lusty grotto
ya its pretty good for the luls
8%
on the total run
164k was just a cheat though
ill up logs later
18k on the entire run, my dps was low for sure on the total thing
it'd be fun to see what happens if i can handle all explosives on a quad pull
with it i mean
like on a FH or something
warm plinth
You're an FH or something
undone sun
๐
warm plinth
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tawdry stirrup
Does anyone know if "Chain of Suffering" Trinket is useful for prot? And is it more useful in raids or mythic+ ?
willow scarab
It's worth keeping but right now it looks meh
it will situationally be essential in raid
oblique garnet
Press F
undone sun
โฒ
lean flume
Hey im getting into Prot tanking does bastion stack?
I main fury so i got no idea really
undone sun
all traits stack one way or another
lean flume
yeah but is it worth stacking
undone sun
yes
warm plinth
So I have full 415 azerite right now. I have 19,958 TR right now so I could buy two random 430s. I'm doing 11s so on Tuesday I'd have 17,900 more (which leaves me like 10k away from a random 445). Think it's worth it for me to buy the two random 430s? I don't raid at all so there's no chance of me getting azerite anywhere but the vendor.
undone sun
gHash asking the questions ๐ฎ
warm plinth
I'm just not sure I'm good enough at math to determine if it would be a better/worse/equal upgrade haha
lean flume
i got the same issue lol
warm plinth
And I'm gonna be another week before I could even get the one 445
So it might be worth it since it'll be right now vs a week and a half from now
naive panther
Iโm simming and sporepods is #1 for dps too
warm plinth
Well yeah, at 450 it would be :p
Mucho strengtho
In the words of me butchering @lusty grotto's native language. ๐ข
Teach me Nim
lean flume
Is it worth stacking Brace for impact over taking swirling sands?
naive panther
Heals quite a bit too
warm plinth
Uh...Swirling Sands is legit. But not sure if it's better than Brace
Offensively it probably is, but defensively brace is probably better (not to mention more consistent)
lean flume
lifespeed is a sure stack tho?
warm plinth
Wait, like comparing Lifespeed to the other two you mentioned?
lean flume
nono its either lifespeed, heed my call or unstable flames
warm plinth
You raiding or doing M+?
lean flume
went with brace as im new to tanking im 428 so im decently geared i think. m+ and maybe some raiding
warm plinth
Where's @sick sentinel when I need him to answer close trait questions
naive panther
I donโt have any brace or any of that for m+ lol.
stuck crown
Do you guys send your tanks into fear realm for H zaqul?
cloud rune
@stuck crown No, we just have a dps go in and mark location of eruption
stuck crown
@cloud rune thanks! We aren't either but I see that limit is. I guess because they are single tanking?
cloud rune
For mythic that'd be different. Im unsure of mythic strat
shy rapids
how much vers do you want for tanking? ๐ค
undone sun
any amount above 0%
sick sentinel
@warm plinth I like how you ask "where's kaege" at like 7 am
@undone sun 0% is fine as well though
oblique garnet
Yes
oblique garnet
Yeah but youre always up
astral halo
Question to anyone who wants to answer. pocket sized computational device. Good? What cards do you run?
sick sentinel
Yellow with haste on it if you can choose
astral halo
Yeah thats the only one i figured was a staple
sick sentinel
Highest ilvl yellow though
sick sentinel
The haste proc one
oblique garnet
Overlock from the garden gnome
sick sentinel
Or maybe the one that gives you haste after you cast 12 spells
astral halo
yeah i saw that too and figured that, but i saw a warrior using the channeling one in like the top 40 dps on first boss heroic (yeah i know not the best place for info) SO i came here ๐
astral halo
right
sick sentinel
But it's not good in literally everything else
astral halo
lol, yeah it seemed odd
sick sentinel
When there's a question where is answer can be haste
Then the answer is definitely haste
oblique garnet
What
warm plinth
What about lifespeed vs unstable flames
oblique garnet
Uf
sick sentinel
Fuck
oblique garnet
100%
astral halo
damn
warm plinth
Fosho
oblique garnet
๐ค
sick sentinel
Yes late
oblique garnet
In raids? Sure
umbral fulcrum
guys any tips for mythic sivara?
oblique garnet
In m+ no
sick sentinel
Just because you're envious of my 1500 haste 1500 crit while you're sitting at 15% vers
sick sentinel
What happened to vers
oblique garnet
๐คท
astral halo
ive got you beat ๐
oblique garnet
Managed to drop like 6% vers while i got to 438
astral halo
ive actually had super lucky drops
sick sentinel
And tank swap every barrage
umbral fulcrum
any tips just for prot warrior?
astral halo
uhh what kind of tips are you looking for?
sick sentinel
You can't block the tank-buster-melee-soak-think
astral halo
well
umbral fulcrum
so shout+wall for buster
umbral fulcrum
hmm
sick sentinel
Your rally should be assigned by your rl/healers
But if it's not use it while she's casting barrage if people are low
warm plinth
Oh hey. Captain Unyun is back
umbral fulcrum
got it
sick sentinel
Second or 3rd barrage should be good
warm plinth
โ
umbral fulcrum
is it better to use magic reflection at high debuffs?
astral halo
oh, non warrior related but what happened to the recover items page
where blizz let you pick and choose between things you may have accidentally deleted.
grand drum
item restoration
astral halo
Yeah, where did they put that
umbral fulcrum
@sick sentinel thank you~
grand drum
google it and it should be the first thing
sick sentinel
Yeah for the dr
astral halo
cool ty
sick sentinel
@warm plinth I didn't get to hang around since I am reading a lot more discords now and I can't use my second monitor for over a month now
And it seems people have questions under control
oblique garnet
Yeah atleast there is always ghash who helps people
warm plinth
Why canโt you use your second monitor?
I attempt to help people. Or I ping Kaege to make him do it when Iโm too stupid.
sick sentinel
I'm staying at my family's for the summer and I didn't bring my pc with me
So the pc here is some 2006 shit
undone sun
oof
sick sentinel
If I open chrome+wow or second monitor+wow and go in a dungeon
oblique garnet
Yeah i would help more often but actually been busy playing the game LUL
quiet kettle
does any1 have a weakaura for edicts of the faithless yet?
sick sentinel
I have literally deleted half my weak auras and disabled 80% of my addons
warm plinth
Gross
spice ferry
Rip
sick sentinel
It's actually stupid
spice ferry
Shoulda bought the pc
sick sentinel
Well I have an explanation
It was Sunday and my tickets were for Saturday
And I was in a call with my father
And he was like
"Ughm, there is a much cheaper flight if you fly on Monday"
"That's tomorrow"
"Yes, you're flying tomorrow"
warm plinth
Lol
sick sentinel
Not enough time to prepare now
spice ferry
Riiip
oblique garnet
Packing takes like 2 hours wdym???
sick sentinel
Yes, the act of packing does take 2 hours
But when your apartment looks like it was bombed
It takes sometime to clean the fucking thing
undone sun
just clean when you get back ez
sick sentinel
I wish I could do that but the land lord shouted at me last year
And it was a lot better than that
outer dew
sand kettle
Is the Edict of the Faithless trinket any good?
willow fractal
im lookin at the bis gear list on icy and Modular Platinum Plating, is on the list for trinkets...it just gives 1k armor which soon as u take a 10% u lose a stack so 1/4th of that armor per hit? that can be ok for tanking?
willow fractal
2 trinkets i picked up i was just wondering about is 1. ancient tuskarr sea charm -gives your abilities a chance to grant verstility and the 2nd one is galvanic turbo-charger from pascal robot which says - your attacks have a chance to increase your haste by 292 every 2 sec last 12sec ......anyne have any info on either of those?
is there any way to see the proc rate per min on trinkets?
undone sun
wowhead
willow fractal
and is there a downside to using orgozoa's paralytic barb 1h weapon? like i know u lose 10% dmg if u use the proc but other then that is there any downside?
spice ferry
Youโd just take whatever sims higher really, long as your comfortable to do so
hasty sapphire
is it true that the unrelenting tides dmg effect is not proccing anymore when the absorb has procced?
willow fractal
is the askmrrobot site as good as raidbots?
undone sun
no
far from it
raidbots pulls directly from simc, no middleman
AMR is all feelycrafty, proprietary sims, and all sorts of bad
willow fractal
kk thanks for the info
spice ferry
Iโm gunna track the domain name and if they ever let it lapse pick it up haha
Just make it point to raidbotd
opaque vine
Are our Essences supported by sims?
sick sentinel
there's a typo in the guide
opaque vine
probably haste procc and haste +Crit or vers yellow card
dreamy berry
got haste proc hast>master yello and the reduced movement from blue last boss mecha
wise rivet
hey guys, which secondary flask would you guys recommend? undertow one got ridiculously overpriced due to race and im too poor lol
stuck crown
Worth saving for 445 Azerite gear if you have 420 or should I go ahead and grab 430 azerite gear
remote tusk
viral marsh
Can anyone recommend a good podcast for prot warrior or something I can listen to while I'm driving?
hardy mesa
When should you be using Vial of Animated Blood?
toxic perch
what are the best essence combi neck lvl 56
arctic sedge
@toxic perch i believe its VoP Major and MoLD minor
toxic perch
ty
arctic sedge
@hardy holly only if it's in range of us
like, dont go out of your way to kill the explosive orbs
if the group is really struggling i'd say yeah, do it, otherwise not. focus on the boss and dealing sick dps
glossy prairie
hey boys , punch card trinket any goodd? and if so what are the best punch cards
strong forum
oblique garnet
Only 428 ? smh
strong forum
well i did like 4 dungeons so far
oblique garnet
Almost 440 
arctic sedge
man ive been unlucky on weapons and shields huh
willow scarab
428 lazer beam okay bro
sick sentinel
quick question. I've always stacked haste as much as possible, but some simulators are now telling me to stack vers instead of haste. At what point should I stop stacking haste, and move onto vers? Currently haste with maxed into the fray is 26.18 and vers is 15.02. Mainly for Raid tanking, but M+ 10-12 keys as well.
warm plinth
Well, first of all you can't sim for survivability. Second, there's only one simulator that actually works properly, and again is only for DPS. And third there are no breakpoints/caps/requirements/whatever for any stats. You take item level over everything else, and worry about stat priority when you have two equal ilevel items to choose from.
sick sentinel
Thanks Ghash. I know you can't sim for survivability. I guess I misspoke. Simulators meaning Pawn and Ask Mr. Robot. They are both prioritizing vers over haste. I used to be about 26 without full itf, but now 26 with full ITF yes. Should I go back to haste over vers?
strong forum
ye fumei i have 440 haste versa punchcard :^)
willow scarab
You're disgusting
warm plinth
You should use neither of those tools @sick sentinel Pawn weights are subject to change and are still only based on DPS (or made up survival weights that aren't real) and AMR is trash.
willow scarab
Both of those tools are bad and 26% haste with ITF is far too low
sick sentinel
yeah they seem to really suck...
willow scarab
25% without ITF is nicer to play with
sick sentinel
ok perfect answer Fum and Ghash. Thank you
warm plinth
Just go with anything that's higher ilevel and if equal ilevel pieces, go for haste/vers for raiding or haste/crit for M+
sick sentinel
perfect. I was just speaking more about enchants and gems. I do always go with ilvl>all. Only ilvl 425 atm
warm plinth
Enchants you want either force multiplier for dps or quick nav for survival. Enchant rings with haste. Gems you want str gems and then haste gems if you have more sockets
quasi pagoda
ok boys for m+ which essences are mostly ran and is there a way to sim them for m+ only?
willow scarab
I would argue naga hide over quick nav for survival, force mult for dps and general play
120 str gem > 80str gem > 50 haste gem > anything else
run vop major or minor and then you pick the other yourself @quasi pagoda
sick sentinel
@willow scarab Thanks!
quasi pagoda
ok cool thanks
sick sentinel
so Icy is pretty spot on
willow scarab
icy is good enough if you're new-ish
elder isle
guys , the urchin or the dmg card ? thanks in advance
willow scarab
this is really pixelated
damage card being punchcard/cyclotronic blast? comparing urchin (tank trinket) to punchcard (dps trinket) doesn't make sense
elder isle
it isnt necesarily a dps trinket since it provides som haste + versa and it can help the raid with pretty nice amount of dmg + my question was if its worth to swap the punchcard for 415 urchin / that being said , if the heals are worth it
(not trying to be a smartass but u can click on "open original" to see full resolution of pic)
willow scarab
It is straight up a dps trinket and it is the biggest dps trinket in the game.
In short: If you're dying use the urchin, if you're not dying use the punchcard
You could take the extra moment to crop instead of every person who looks at the image having to go open the original
If it helps - I suggest (and use) punchcard for basically everything except things that kill me like zaqul
elder isle
thanks for the information Fumeiyo
and I am sorry for the pic , could use some spare time to edit it ๐
arctic sedge
One DC is enough right
hard sigil
410 alchi stone / 410 punchcard with haste and haste proc vs 440 briny barnacle with leech on top i guess i stick to my 410s?
hot jetty
!hastecap
willow scarab
punchcard only used if you have cyclotronic blast
do raid get 425 alch stone use with punchard that has cyclo blast
hard sigil
kk before i get that i swith the punchcard for briny?
willow scarab
yeah
willow scarab
imagine not having a 435 socket block lmao get wrecked idiot
sick sentinel
hey guys so, my guild is on Orgozoa and we only have a few pulls BUT on those few pulls when i soaked puddles they still killed the raid
anyone know like, why? do i need to move around to trigger the puddles on me? because they usually stack perfectly on top of each other
sick sentinel
no i know, i sit on them until they all explode
strong forum
and soak them
sick sentinel
i assumed if they all stack on top of each other i just sit in them until they all explode but the last one did raid damage every time
sick sentinel
is that a thing? do i need to wait a second after it explodes?
strong forum
no
but you went out too early
theres 3 explosions
soak all 3
done, theres no mystery to it
sick sentinel
@hot jetty there are no haste caps
Read the guide
@willow scarab is there actually any reason to use inkpod over any other dps/stat trinket in keys
Like, It's only good for st
opaque vine
Regarding St DPS, Crucible seems to be stronger than VoP no?
willow scarab
Still not sure what trinkets I want to use in keys
I don't think inkpod is going to be good for keys
willow scarab
probably a rezans/gore block season
sick sentinel
@willow scarab I have a 18kr that I might spend the entire day on, I will use inkpod there
But that's about it
willow scarab
18 tyrannical KR.... I agree with your choice
Maybe it has a place in big tyrannical keys
sick sentinel
I will use alch trinket+430rezans for everything else
opaque vine
@sick sentinel , sure, didnt know essences were supported in sims by now
opaque vine
Alright. Thanks alot
strong forum
gonna use rezan+block from now on
deep jasper
Hey guys. Kinda new to Warri Tank and I have a bit of a problem with my Trinkets. I have the Mechagon Trinket with the haste proc and the haste/versa card so thats pretty much Bis from what Ive read. Now I dont know what to take as second trinket (neither for dungeons nor for raiding) . I have a 435 Machimbas Ritual Bandages (which basically gives a big on use absorb shield and 500 Strenght), a 410 Jes Howler and a 415 Bloodthirsty Urchin
strong forum
got em 430+s 435
sick sentinel
Also, @opaque vine vers and crit buffs crucible of flame whereas haste and mastery does not
VoP gets better with all stats
strong forum
id say urchin itami
sick sentinel
So if your gearset is vers+crit heavy then cof will be weighted higher than for example a haste+mastery gearset
@deep jasper use urchin and pray that you actually get a useful trinket
So goreblock/rezans eye/alch trinket etc
There are a lot better trinkets than the ones you have
deep jasper
yeah Im triying to get one of those. Atm I just used the 435 because I dont know much the Strenght ist worth compared to the other items effects. But thanks a lot for the advice. Is Urchin better in M+ as well ? Though Howl might be better there
deep jasper
For Raiding Urchin tho ?
deep jasper
Okay thanks a lot
exotic spoke
Any one know the proc chance of Liberator's might? I got a 430 chest from Heroic Warfront and Trying to figure out what to tank
take* either that or BS >.>
exotic spoke
Sorry 430 shoulders
summer talon
hey guys could someone please help me with a macro? I want to macro demoralizing shout to thunderclap to have it where i spam the macro button and when demo shout is available it uses that and otherwise when its on cd it uses thunderclap instead. Anyone know how to do that?
tiny crypt
As far as I know only trinkets can be macro'd to an ability, you can't have one macro try to use two abilities
summer talon
should i just suck it up and get better at remembering to use it on cd then? Ive never really used macros and the reason im trying to figure them out is cuz im having trouble holding agro in 10+ keys this season
warm plinth
That's not possible anyway; the only way you could use two on-GCD abilities in one macro is if you did a castsequence, which wouldn't accomplish what you wanted anyway (and would also be a bad idea).
tiny crypt
personally I just have weak auras to show when certain things are off cooldown
warm plinth
If you put two on-GCD abilities in the same macro, it stops as soon as one of them returns a message, whether that's a pass or fail. So if you did, for example,
#showtooltip /cast Thunder Clap /cast Demoralizing Shout
it would fail as soon as it got a message back from Thunder Clap (whether it casts or fails to cast)
So it would cast Thunder Clap when it was available but otherwise wouldn't do anything
Kavion has the right idea though; just get/make a WeakAura that makes it glow or make a sound or something when it comes off CD so you remember to use it.
summer talon
ok thanks, sorry for the noob question but the only weak aura i have installed is the quaking one, could anyone link me one for that which they use please?
warm plinth
I have one that does a weird border but I can modify it for you to suit your purpose. Do you want a glow or a sound?
summer talon
I guess a sound? not really sure
sick sentinel
before asking for any weak aura questions here got o #ui-addons-manager and check the pin
most of the more popular weak auras are there
summer talon
ok thank you!
oblique garnet
@warm plinth
maiden lake
How do we prot warriors build parry for specific hits? esp in m+
Also, lots of prot warriors are enchanting and gemming crit over haste vers.. how come? more on the M+ side of things
spice ferry
Because crit is the dps stat
sick sentinel
after a certain point of haste, you don't really need it as much
topaz ember
when i wear my fury crit gear as prot i usually do as much or more than the dps with avatar up
sick sentinel
so we drop a bit of haste to get crit
topaz ember
in m+
spice ferry
You canโt build for one thing or another really. Given that tf exists in the game, you generally just take whatever is the biggest ilvl
oblique garnet
No such thing
strong forum
This patch was weird so far
Went from 26% crit to 15% now back to 20%
And from 3% versa to 15% back down to 10% now
But 7 holes :feelsgoodman: maintaining the hole count
spice ferry
Sockets
stoic night
Sockets.
spice ferry
I wouldnโt be surprised if blizz have increased socket chance or something. Been hearing people have stupid number of sockets super early, but that may also be because of benthic grind
broken tinsel
Can have 3 from crafts, 3-4from Benthic, it goes up really fast tbh
spice ferry
Yeh true forgot about crafting
ionic fern
Just a friendly reminder. The major essences are included in the NIGHTLY build of raidbots (there's a option to swap between weekly and nightly simc build in Simulation options when scrolling down). They should update the weekly build in the upcoming week so they will be included there as well.
terse dragon
I've been seeing a lot of top warr tanks using Vision Major+ Lucid minor, but I saw another top tank using Anima major/Vision minor, what do you guys think?
Most I've seen use vision major, but I feel like you're tankier with anima, but the extra defensive might not be needed and vision major is for the dps?
oblique garnet
Anima is mediocre
terse dragon
The on use isn't good? Plus the health?
I just saw another top tier tank using it, maybe he was just testing it
oblique garnet
You can do some meme level damages with rally + last stand and anima on big pull
But its nothing too great
mental scarab
terse dragon
Yeah it must not be that great of most top tier tanks don't use in high keys
exotic spoke
Fumieyo was testing it for farming ~12s. Iโm testing it tomorrow. Just pull everything and have three eye beams + anima
But definitely not using anima for serious keys
errant oriole
hey all i was curious i noticed some warriors are running memory of lucid dreams as a major and minor? am i missing something?
undone sun
<@&257983573498265600>
errant oriole
ummm
jade socket
$pb @pearl apex
turbid robinBOT
Done.
low timber
dude just got banished to the shadow realm
stiff drum
Hm, 415 haste mastery/415 haste vers ring. Should i replace one of them with a 430 crit master ring ?
exotic spoke
Yes, Iโd get rid of haste vers personally.
Unless it has a lot more haste than your haste mastery ring
jade socket
Mobile autism
stray wedge
Hm
stray wedge
O
exotic spoke
Your phones must hate you
snow estuary
what are people using as essences for EP,
?
im using crucible main and minor and visions minor
errant oriole
i thought perfection was the best major and lucid was best minor?
i could be wrong ๐
snow estuary
im asking i dont know
because for mythic+ im using visions major and minor and worldvein minor with my 3 other melee dps using worldvein as their minor
wispy plume
for M+ 440+socket alch stone 430 rezan 430 butchers block
warm plinth
๐
sick sentinel
stone rezan
stuck crown
Vim's Scalecrusher Girdle - BIS? I wish I would have known that some of the Benethic Stuff could be BIS before scrapping all of it
stuck crown
Same goes for all of the slots right? Procs seem to matter much more for the other classes/specs.
warm plinth
Same goes for all slots. If you do like mythic parsing or some shit I'm sure there are those who disagree with me, but for the average prot warrior, no benthic gear is worth using over anything else.
And even if it were better, it's literally only better if you're in the raid instance. Anywhere else the effect is useless/irrelevant.
stuck crown
thanks! I'm with you. Makes my life easier as well.
dreamy epoch
I got this new weapon, should i use it? the bleed no-secondaries one but its 25 ilvs higher than the 405 haste vers weapon
dreamy epoch
ye but no secondaries so i gain 50ish strength and lose secondaries
stark ruin
Around 30% higher base dps AND 25% more strength
I'd be very surprised if it wasn't much better dps
dreamy epoch
was survivability wise for m+ mostly
stark ruin
I'm not sure if you'd notice if these stats would've saved you ๐
Strength gives some parry though
warm plinth
@dreamy epoch Ilevel > all on weapons and shields; literally no exceptions. Weapon DPS will help your survivability as it affects the size of your Ignore Pains.
dreamy epoch
hmm okay that makes sensem just a feels bad playing with lower haste
il try it in this key!
warm plinth
Losing the haste on that weapon is barely more than 1% haste; shouldn't even be noticeable.
dusky sentinel
can u reflect the slug bolt from Gunker in operation mech?
Im guessing no. but have to ask
elder isle
Vision perfection is not mainslot mandatory no more ? I see every prot warrior with crucible of flames in main slot lol
hardy holly
I love vision
elder isle
I guess they use it for the parses huh.. put out as much dmg as they can with crucible or ?
strong forum
no, on actual bosses later on youll play more proper essences
but until fucking orgo theres no point to use anything defensive
weak shell
How often should Essence of perfection proc? rarely seems to proc fo rme
strong forum
2ppm
elder isle
2 ppm is solid imo
strong forum
i have ~55 procs per dungeon
elder isle
ill stick with it in my major
wooden furnace
One fast question wich its better a boots 420 with socket or a 430 without with same statsยฟ?
undone sun
where'd you get 2rppm
strong forum
if itwas 0.85 how come i get more procs than minutes spent in a dungeon
strong forum
@oblique garnet also says its 2ppm
undone sun
r in proc means random, averages to 0.85-1
crude glen
Any tips on how to use razor coral as prot?
ebon geyser
@undone sun u back boi
undone sun
in wow? no
ebon geyser
๐ฅ
sick sentinel
yo
nome
is vop actually ppm
I pulled pad room in snek temple
I had 40 seconds of avatar
without using avatar
just vop procs
sick sentinel
how much is a socket in a ring worth for prot warrior?
undone sun
add up the stats between the two pieces, if it's less than a socket gives, use the socket
empty inlet
25 at least
empty inlet
its not
undone sun
๐
dreamy epoch
how many ilvls is a socket worth on a non ring?
i thought it was around 15
maybe not a smuch as that
undone sun
none
tender imp
defensively ilvl is pretty much always better
clever sleet
how often in m+ should i use last stand if i run bolster?
wispy plume
A) if you run out of shield block B) If you need an oh shit heal
C) If you want to focus rage spending on IP since you donโt have to spend rage on SB
neat lagoon
So I have been using the 425 Alchemy trinket (for the MASSIVE Abyssal healing pot heals) and the MOTHERLOAD 430 Bomb trinket. Well I just got a 420 Rezan's eye and I was thinking about combining it with my Punchcard with the haste proc and the yellow haste gem. I also have the stacking haste azerite trait and the stopwatch haste trait as well. Would you guys think its a smart move to drop the big healing alchemy trinket and the aoe damage button for these 2 massive haste trinkets?
On the target dummy I seemed to sit at an average of 35% haste, at times spiking to 65% which is nuts
wispy plume
If you have overclock and a haste punch card I would use punchcard and rezans
Imo
When you get alch trinket to 440 I would probably use punchcard and alch trinket
Someone else might have different advice
neat lagoon
I agree with you, unless I am worried about my survivability, I feel stacking the haste trinkets is the way to go in keystones for the damage
raid boss I have been using the Alch trinket and Punchcard. But I might swap out punchcard for Rezan's for the strength it has. Some boss fights I can cheese an ability or like stack Ashvanes coral a lot easier if I know I have that massive healing pot + alchemy trinket heal on stand by
opaque shuttle
Hey guys, worring about the block rating is an issue or i should don't care about it ?
undone sun
should care about it
opaque shuttle
Ok so the cap is 0.42 right ?
When i do Block / ( block + k value )
@undone sun
undone sun
first time hearing about that, so im going to say no
ebon geyser
why ppl are taking devastator instead of booming
undone sun
ST damage increase
queen oyster
Hey folks hows prot in 8.2 compare to other tanks?
undone sun
Gap is closer together but still just as good
oblique garnet
@strong forum i hve never sair vop is 2ppm lucid is
neat lagoon
Is Devastator really that much of a single target dps gain than booming?
pairing that booming with avatar while having TC talent and BoMx3 ? I figured that's as good or better than Devastator
sick sentinel
devastator also pairs with avatar
junior spade
Prot warrior can I do pvp with it too?
naive panther
my sims put devastator higher in dungeon slice and hectic add cleave
been using it even in dungeons now
slam all day
willow scarab
Can you leave operation mechagon and then come back alter to complete it?
or does it reset the lockout
spice ferry
It shoul save lockout
willow scarab
even if it's hard mode?
spice ferry
๐คท
naive panther
yeah, my overall is pretty similar with either
when i do runs of the same key
I like devastator, more smooth rage
undone sun
smoother i guess, but definitely not more
oblique garnet
Devastator is worse for keys
oblique garnet
Have you read what booming voice talent does?
oblique garnet
The problem if youre losing in aggro with BV is likely that you are doing something wrong when pulling the pack i.e using demoshout before clap
naive panther
nah, not that rookie
sick sentinel
You don't like pressing your single best button on the pull?
oblique garnet
๐คท
sick sentinel
Big if true
oblique garnet
Also if your dps first 2 globals are literally eyebeam into memebeam yeah sure youre gonna lose aggro and devastator is not gonna change that
naive panther
not always early in a pull if i run devastator
naive panther
nah i meant to glick's question
anyways, I have enjoyed it in my more recent keys, not trying to actively promote it, just some things I like about it. gotta run
slate ingot
Devastator only has a 20% chance for shield slam to reset instead of 30%, its not the best choice, but to each their own. Doesn't even generate rage. Booming voice only way to go/ Spam devastate more.
oblique garnet
Thats not the point of booming voice in m+
Its the fact that it increases your damage done to enemies by 15% on aoe
And damage they do to you
Without the talent it only gives you the damage reduction part
prisma spoke
So quick question for everyone. Is it worth rolling the dice on 430 azurite gear? I know the stats are nice but should I just hold on till i can get the 445. I run 10-12 keys weekly. It has been a bit of a debate in my guild and wanted to see what the thoughts were here.
oblique garnet
How much residuum do you have atm?
prisma spoke
22000
oblique garnet
If you only do 10-12 you wont be able to gamble mythic piece next week
So might aswell buy 430
One piece
Its gonna take you 2 more weeks to get a 445 piece so no real point in saving
prisma spoke
ok thanks
grand drum
how much TR does a 10 give?
sinful stone
how much ilvl is a socket worth to prot?
undone sun
main armor pieces, none. rings, add up the stats and if its less than a socket, use it
undone sun
anything that's not a ring, yeah
sick sentinel
No not really
You can drop 5 ilvls for a socket on gear
Just not on like, pants or something with really high stat budget
drifting bear
does storm of the eternal proc outside of raid?
oblique garnet
Yes
summer talon
does anyone have any tips on not losing agro as prot? my main issue im running into is keeping threat early in pulls
summer talon
do warriors normally have threat problems compared to other tanks? im spamming thunderclap and pretty often get agro ripped off me
im having less issue on my guardian who is 12 ilvl lower
sick sentinel
Warriors have the least threat problems than any other tank in the game
brazen sequoia
Remember when we had a talent (or was it a glyph?) that put Rend on every target affected by your thunderclap? aah, good times.
sick sentinel
Warriors with skittish are better at threat than most tank specs without skittish
brazen sequoia
I don't even have problems in +15 and above with my druid..
sick sentinel
Check #268491842637660160 , read the guide and practice more
You're the person who asked for a macro that casts demo shout and clap on the same button so you clearly don't know what you're doing
So just practice more
summer talon
will do thanks
mighty gulch
incite the pack or callus repprisal
warm plinth
Kaege 
undone sun
๐
sick sentinel
@mighty gulchll I'd take incite the pack
undone sun
personally i'd got bom over bfi
mighty gulch
Oh ok
undone sun
and im pretty sure overwhelming power is better than life
mighty gulch
Icy ranked bfi higher.
So idk
And if im tanking, wont that make owp useless?
Im taking damage, removing the stacks
sick sentinel
1s icd
mighty gulch
Oh
sick sentinel
Bom and OP is the play there yeah
The icy veins list is purely for raid survivability
mighty gulch
Oh ok
sick sentinel
If you read the guide in the mplus section you will see that 3xBoM 1DC is what you want in keys
mighty gulch
Thank you
drifting bear
@oblique garnet thanks :D
undone sun
yup
sick sentinel
mighty gulch
ty
oh
i see
i completely skipped over that lol
Is the mastery from bom so good that its worth taking 3? I doubt it gives me 3 stacks worth of ignore pain
mighty gulch
kk ty
sick sentinel
Gives more mastery with vision prices
Visions of perfection extend your avatar
And bom
Procs *
umbral fulcrum
@sick sentinel hey i killed sivara and radiance ,thanks to you . any tips for behemoth?
mighty gulch
So, go do mechangon?
sick sentinel
And the procs also give bom
And the lucid dreams minor gives you more rage
So faster avatars
mighty gulch
so use lucid as my secondary?
mighty gulch
thanks
sick sentinel
If you ainโt do mechagon every week you ainโt play prot
@umbral fulcrum try to not be the tank that tanks before last intermission
So you don't have the dot on you while swimming
umbral fulcrum
so be selfish?
sick sentinel
Tips for behemoth = absolutely smoke boss
You can spell reflect and demo shout and stand in the thing you are not supposed to stand on
The one that knocks you back
Minimal damage goes out so tank with good dps should be maximizing uptime
Your dps will try to hug you
They smell funny
Don't hug them back
/range 5
Make sure nobody is on you
Make sure you are abusing the z axis
Yes
You can be top right or top left corner
If you're trying to rally
Do it way before
Because they might swim out of the range of your rally
Just treat dps like idiots and youโll be fine
errant oriole
hey guys is 28% haste too much without the buff?
errant oriole
ok makin sure ๐
dark lark
Moar haste!
errant oriole
btw the vision of perfection essence is it rng proc or does it have an internal cd?
undone sun
proc
errant oriole
it is still very good as a major right?
dark lark
So check out my current scenario. I've been out of town for a week and a half. I currently have 22k residuum. I'm getting another 17k this reset because of...reasons (monkaTOS). When I get back next week, I'll have 39k res. Should I buy a benthic helm (BoM/undulating) and get that to 430, buy a 430 shoulder with 9k residuum (down to 30k), and then buy a 445 the week after that (would need at minimum an 11 to get up to 47500)
sick sentinel
It's a proc but it's 2 procs per min
errant oriole
oh?
sick sentinel
I've always seen in logs that it's 2rppm
Or I heard people say that too
I got 6 procs in a minute
undone sun
average
random ๐คฆ
sick sentinel
It's not random
undone sun
the R is proc stands for random
sick sentinel
You can't have random in a computer algorithm
undone sun
Programmed
Random
OCcurrence
lusty grotto
....
undone sun
still fucking random
sick sentinel
It's not real random
sick sentinel
?
undone sun
(โฏยฐโกยฐ๏ผโฏ๏ธต โปโโป
lusty grotto
technicism
sick sentinel
I'm not being childish
lusty grotto
pretty much
sick sentinel
I'm serious
wispy plume
For the sake of it itโs random
lusty grotto
technicism for no reason
lusty grotto
?
whether you consider it truly random or not has absolutely no relevance to anything that's being discussed
it's a moot point
wild sandal
@undone sun โฌโโฌใ( ยบ _ ยบใ)
oblique garnet
Thyme calm down
undone sun
๐
daring bay
Anyone knows of a spreadsheet with everything that can be SRed in EP?
Had one for bod which was super helpfull
oblique garnet
Its on #268491842637660160 @daring bay
daring bay
Silly me, thanks :p
sweet kettle
i have 430 rezans and 415 opulence trinket do you think its worth getting the alchemist stone?
i do not think it will be good for progress
oblique garnet
Alchemist stone is pretty good on progress
If youre using new health pots is basically another loh
Which you should be using
sweet kettle
yeah thats what i was thinking aswell
but i dont know if its worth over the passive shield
oblique garnet
The passive shield is good on fights where there is consistent dot damage etc
Like on behemot for example
sweet kettle
yeah still waiting on that ashvane trinket
sweet kettle
i know
void berry
The DPS one right ?
sweet kettle
the tank one
void berry
That good ?
sweet kettle
looks like it
agile spruce
currently got 430 Bloodthirsty urchin and 430 Chain of suffering and just 430 rezans so im loving my trinkets atm
fossil basin
hey guys just a question, does cold steel work in prot and if so is it good
undone sun
dont see how it would, we dont have bloodthirst
fossil basin
fuck didnt read it right ty
dark lark
On a similar note, there was a brief period in 8.2 where BoM worked for arms warriors using avatar. Don't know if they fixed that or not yet
undone sun
i dont see why it shouldn't at least somewhat work, avatar gives mastery
obviously can't give IP
we can use RF
fossil basin
yeah my bis triat for disc come from shadow
oblique garnet
@undone sun It does give ip
spice ferry
Is it decent?
strong forum
I used 3x BoM on arms in pvp
Kinda funny to increase your dot damage 3x and get a 40k shield
dark lark
Kinda disgusting actually
tough vault
how;s prot in pvp?
arctic sedge
Annoying
For other players
Dragon Charge annoys people and so on. Otherwise I'd say they're decent, but dps is better afaik
worn socket
Are prot warriors currently the โbestโ tanks for M+?
torn gust
same ilevel, haste mastery of crit vers shield
dark lark
@worn socket for now, keys 15 and higher are mainly warriors
10-14 is a very even split
@torn gust haste mastery
spice ferry
That may just be because almost everyone going really big (like 23+ last season) were warriors, meta is still up in the air
sick sentinel
do u guys know whick benthic gear effectes are the best for tank warriors right now?
dark lark
None, benthic doesn't matter unless it's for dps
You can squeeze out more DPS for yourself as a tank, at which point it becomes situational (ie abberation for orgozoa and za'qul)
And for m+ it does nothing
sick sentinel
ye for dps i meant sry
rapid jewel
and 2% on 18k dps isnt as bis as a boost as 2% on a 50k dps. So go with higher ilevel
sick sentinel
i got 425 with socket feet for critical damage, and belt 425 with socket with damage and aggro in an area
dark lark
Very nice
sick sentinel
shall i try to get something else for boosting damage?
dark lark
Not really, i would just go for 430+ items from m+ or heroic EP
sick sentinel
ye i got a boot 440 and a belt 440 but when i sim it tells me that benthic is looot superior
dark lark
It might be because of the sockets
sick sentinel
ye i read that only bethinc with socket is superior
sick sentinel
ill do thanks
strong forum
I swapped 415 belt+s and 420 boots with 430 pieces 1 with socket and only lost 200 dps, it's not that big a deal
oblique garnet
sims are for damage only
sage pelican
Hey all..want to ask something about azerite traits..got new piece ...is it worth to get 2nd iron fortress from it to stack 2 iron fotress or instead get 1 bloodsport?
strong forum
depends on your shield ilvl and the content youre doing
the block value gained from IF alone is really good
ohno just tuned into towellies stream and hes advising everyone to get benthic even tanks and healers ohno
why do i do this to myself
wicked oriole
When spending Residum on random 430 pieces what piece should I go for first between helm, shoulder, and chest? I had heard shoulder has better chance of having one of our better traits.
strong forum
5/6 chance to get a useable shoulder piece
spice ferry
@wicked oriole if youโre unlikely to clear heroic then just whichever has more of the good traits as you say
Hell even just killing first 3?
cosmic cape
what benthic pieces do we want
willow scarab
braces gloves boots
south yarrow
But there's multiple different ones of each, and what about belt?
willow scarab
Frost bolt bracers, droplet gloves, crit boots with socket
cosmic cape
doesnt everything have a chance for sockets
serene belfry
is servant splitter (425) worth to eqiup it, compared to a 415 Zocalo Crusher?
serene belfry
Ok, thank you ;)
worn socket
Are any prot warrior essences gated behind rep?
south yarrow
Null barrier r3
worn socket
Is that a mandatory essence?
potent anvil
Not really. It does good damage in m+ at r3 for a minor. Maybe its good for raid too, but you dont need r3 for that.
south yarrow
You do need r3 for the raid
It deals good damage on magic heavy bosses
Think Sivara, Ashvane, Za'qul
potent anvil
Okay, for parsing sure. But you dont really need it at r3 for what you need it for.
worn socket
Ah okay
south yarrow
Since when is damage only for parsing lol
worn socket
Tempted to blast a Warrior to 120 specifically for M+ and keep my brew as my main for EP but the essence system is making me hesitate
potent anvil
The relative gain of dps to meet a dmg check as a tank vs having proper optimized dps'ers is smaller. Having tanks farm rep for r3 and crates is absurd.
warm plinth
Don't blame you. The essence gating is pretty rough for alts. I only have two alts and I'm still really turned off by the work requirement for some of it
south yarrow
Sure, depends on what your standards are
You could call none of the essences mandatory since you can easily do HC TEP without any essences and neck level 35
potent anvil
I mean the only essence in raid you probably want to use is CoF major. None of the tank essences are mandatory. No one is arguing that.
You dont need r3 null minor for what you actually need it for. R1 is enough.
south yarrow
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
Sure
But CoF is advised just for its damage aspect, and null barrier r3 if you can proc it on CD which you practically can on those bosses deals damage close to CoF
So while it may not be mandatory, I'd say it's advised to get it if you're serious about raiding
sick sentinel
just get VoP
willow scarab
null does more damage than rank 3 CoF in raid
source: me who has both
After first 3 bosses you're playing full bitch mode and not going for damage anyway though so who cares
the extra bit off null is nice since you do run it for ashvane though
sick sentinel
do I actually have to buy null
willow scarab
ashvane is like 50% magic and extremely tight on dps
but if you're not up to / about ot be up to her it doesn't matter as much
sick sentinel
null dynamo r3 god tier r2 dynamo poop
willow scarab
r2 is still good for prog past first 3
exotic spoke
Ahh fuck. I knew I shouldnโt have blown my galvanics on trying to get titanforges
exotic spoke
No lol
sick sentinel
unrelated topic anyone know how many mechanized chests you can open per day
exotic spoke
I made VoP rank 2 and was like - huh now what? And then poof I gambled them away
To my knowledge each spawn is separate. I think itโs in the range of 10-15 spawn points so that many chests
willow scarab
infinity chests
exotic spoke
I think the modular platinum plating is garbage for us
I wouldnโt use it - pretty much ever
dawn shuttle
^ that''s what i was thinking as well jut looking for conformation, thanks lots
hard sigil
weapon 420 crit/mastery vs 415 haste/crit with soket ?
hard sigil
thx!
strong forum
tfw havent done mechagon for 2 weeks
rapid jewel
what? no VoP?
shut summit
Good zones but def got tired of them pretty quick
rapid jewel
yeah that shit happens when you hard farm it for 2 weeks to get flying.
hasty dagger
Question folks. Not counting in anger management, whatโs the ideal haste % to have. Reason I ask is Iโm at 28 and with anger management it puts me close to 50%. Is that entirely too much as 33% reduces gcd to its fastest
sick sentinel
Quick question about trinkets: The crafted Alchemy trinket at 440. Does this outweigh e.g. the Diamond-Laced at 405 and/or other trinket such as Gore-Crusted (Str/chance on Crit) at 430 ?
Since I am only playing Mythic Keystones really, I do not want to raid at all. Is it worth making the Alchemy trinket over the other 430 trinkets in Keystones?
hasty dagger
Go to bloodmallet and select hectic cleave
sick sentinel
I need 600 rep for exalted
I spend hours in mechagon today killing alliance
@hasty dagger you mean into the fray?
hasty dagger
Yeah mb
sick sentinel
your question is very hard to understand
but if you are asking "do I have too much haste" the answer is always "no"
umbral forge
benched while guild kills fish ;_;
crystal dirge
Sivara Mythic, do you guys solo the Reverberation with some mitigation or make melees soak it?
umbral forge
my guild had the tanks solo it
cosmic coral
whats a decent amount of haste to have % wise
empty inlet
lmao if youre soloing that shit as a warrior
does like 300k if you dont have external
umbral forge
@cosmic coral 999% haste is the goal.
strong forum
rank 10 on sivarra.. :feelsgoodman:
frigid heart
had absolutely no problems soloing as warrior ๐ค
shut summit
most of the time you can split it with OT
and if they out dropping puddle when it happens, more than enough CDs to cover
hushed cobalt
I plan to primarily tank m+ and was wondering about swapping 2 BoM for 2 Loyals and getting my m+ group to each have a Loyal; yay/nay?
woven burrow
got dream's end for prot (415 normal). Any good ?
umbral forge
my guild can't kill Fish.
Radiance? 3 shot.
First boss? Took us a bit but died.
But the fish!?
oh no.
that's our achilles heel
a swimming loot pinata with a gimmick.
hushed cobalt
Fish are slippery tellers, hard to get a solid hit on them
umbral forge
tank died to jellyfish during transmission.
crystal dirge
I could solo with demo on all of time, but just turned it on some ppl, it didnt really matter
also had blocked 86% of melees on kill pull which is I think the best I did so far ๐
oblique garnet
tsรคr its not worth dropping bom for m+
hushed cobalt
Even if you replace with Loyal and have it capped?
Also i would have 1 BoM at least
hushed cobalt
Capped as in having max mastery from Loyal. Perma mastery > avatar mastery; cause more BoM doesn't do much for the IP part
lusty grotto
what is max mastery
what do you mean by that
oh loyal's max
this is simple
average it out
with VoP you will have a Avatar every 38 seconds
so on a, lets say 35 min run
you will have around... let's say 30 avatars?
honestly
perma mastery does nothing lmao
plus you will have to make someone in your group run loyal
im with Late on this one
warm plinth
You'd have more than that. 35 minutes / 38 seconds is 55 casts. Even assuming downtime I don't think you'd cut 25 casts off.
hushed cobalt
I would have to coerce my 4 m+ guildies to each use a Loyal. Which isn't likely
๐คท that's my outside the box thought for the week
warm plinth
@hushed cobalt Even if you had them all use it, you're looking at 1,002 mastery with 3x Loyal. With 3x BoM you're getting 1,896 mastery during Avatar. Assuming Nim's 35 minute run, you'd have a 52.6% uptime on Avatar. So BoM would be giving you on average 5 less mastery than 3x Loyal and you don't have to gimp your M+ group to get it. Add in the fact that you'll have Vision procs that increase your Avatar uptime (which results in BoM actually giving higher average mastery than 3x Loyal), and the defensive gain of the IPs granted by BoM (which tbf is hard to judge, but it's >0), and I just don't see it being competitive.
That was assuming 430 azerite btw
hushed cobalt
I had 250+250(from others) mastery per loyal in my head for some raisin
warm plinth
Well, it's possible wowhead has incorrect numbers. But according to them at 430 you get 334 maximum per trait.
hushed cobalt
Looking it up on my phone is not the greatest. But thanks for the mathy rundown :D
rare sun
Is the Radiance of Azshara add melee hit dmg not blockable?
warm plinth
It is not
rare sun
:/
stuck crown
can parry though
warm plinth
lol
stuck crown
lol
Watched Nerfclap do a 18 FH last night good lord. Also - the hardmode mechagon helmet lets you explore the entire dungeon without ever moving. Super OP
Has anyone found that Lucid dreams gives TOO much rage?
lusty grotto
smh
warm plinth
Nim gives me too much rage
What do you mean by too much rage?
Anger Management doesn't have a cap and Ignore Pain doesn't have a cooldown. Should be fine.
stuck crown
I mean I dont take enough damage in some H EP bosses to warrant all of those defensives
warm plinth
Use Revenge more? Use IP anyway? Better to waste it on overcapping IP than to waste the CDR from AM
stuck crown
No cap on IP right
warm plinth
There is a cap
steel mauve
1.3X your ip is the cap
warm plinth
But you get CDR regardless
stuck crown
Ah the CDR good point
celest nimbus
Hey, I haven't tanked since legion. Where's a good place to learn the paths for M+?
sick sentinel
[Gore-Crusted Butcher's Block]425 or [Rezan's Gleaming Eye]420 or [Galvanic Turbo-Charger]425. Which are the best two?
@celest nimbus download Method Dungeon Tools addon. Also, on raider.io under news, there are premade method dungeon tool maps. I believe the newest maps are very generic, as opposed to accounting for affixes, so they should be perfect.
celest nimbus
@sick sentinel I didn't think they'd be updated yet, thank you!
sick sentinel
I think just a couple of days ago
torn gust
Best weapon enchant for m+ atm?
rapid jewel
quick question: does someone tank with a monk tank and has aggro issues? Exspecially during Bloodlust?
strong forum
@sick sentinel ๐
sick sentinel
what is this