newbie tank (i main dps) i have to fill in the mt in shaivara mythic any pointers on traits/essences?
#protection
azure sorrel
warm plinth
@solar delta Look up about 5 messages.
sand egret
👀
warm plinth
sand egret
"ENHANCE"
warm plinth
😂
sand egret
legit was 5 messages up too haha
warm plinth
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solar delta
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modern brook
@azure sorrel essences and traits are covered in the guide; I suggest reading through that and if something doesnt make sense coming back with a more specific question
sand egret
this discord tends to be circular in rhetoric, so chances are if you're asking a question....someone asked it like 10 minutes earlier 😃
modern brook
I blame 8.0
sand egret
does tanknotes cover mythic
warm plinth
Yeah
sand egret
https://www.tanknotes.tk/The-Eternal-Palace/Abyssal-Commander-Sivara @azure sorrel - promoting this resource cuz it's slickAF
azure sorrel
@modern brook already reading that save my ass in bid
bod*
mostly essences is my problem
i havent invested much time in em so i only have vision lvl1
and lucid lvl2
sand egret
i'd still major/minor those respectively, tbh
modern brook
is tank notes like
correct now?
I remember in 8.0 it was like "You should 9000% be running Never surrender and best served cold"
sand egret
🤔
sand egret
you definitely are
modern brook
I distinctly remembe it being way off base in 8.0 though
but whatever im an idiot so
sand egret
Panth has been pretty active about updating it and from what I've seen it's on point
warm plinth
Speaking of vision major, what do you guys think about this?
Don't want to call the guy out; just wanted your opinions
Oh, for context I asked why he was using anima major and vision minor
warm plinth
It was for a bit, but it's been changed now
warm plinth
Not sure why though. He makes a good point
sand egret
I get his line of logic. I can't speak for the major's proc rate to accurately refute that data, but from an objective PoV, there isn't an account for the other effects provided by VoP, such as mitigation and rage gains during procs, etc.
modern brook
Same
I wil lsay that theres more to the proc rate than just Avatar uptime
sure bom is reduced but "a little less of ashit ton" of mastery is still a lot
kindred rapids
Any tips for Zaqul in HC as prot war?
sand egret
be the MT
modern brook
not to mention the haste bonus to you and teamates
sand egret
really high phys mit > less damage to linked target
warm plinth
Good question
I don't know D:
I'm guessing only on hard casts though, since it says "when you activate your spec cooldown"
Especially since rank 3 of the major says "when your cooldown is triggered" (different terminology leads me to think the major only gives haste on procs and the minor only heals on casts)
modern brook
yeah thats why i was asking
I think replacing VOP for Anima Major makes sense tbh; at least in context of what they were talking about
The biggest argument against it i can come up with, with my limited knowledge is that the minor is shit
And vop minor / lucid minor are gods
so unless you have all 3 open vop major lucid minor is probably better
mint adder
Is Anima major off the gcd?
warm plinth
Highly doubt it. I don't think any essences are off GCD
sand egret
it is not
warm plinth
Well this was in a M+ situation I think
strong forum
And I don't want to swap off of it cuz I feel like shit not parsing orange 🙃
Ye but I don't even have XP with VoP yet
warm plinth
And he did say he could use CoF and get better results if he wanted to use it on CD
strong forum
I have no idea bout the matter, will start doing keys now and see how anima does, and I'm fairly certain avatar uptime with major is over 65%+
warm plinth
That's what I thought too
strong forum
I ran it for the one weekly key last week and I had 65%, and that was with ton of wipes
willow scarab
sweet 99s you say
warm plinth
Now look what you did, you summoned Fumeiyo
analog swift
aayyy
warm plinth
Imagine parsing purple 😦
willow scarab
disgraceful i know
analog swift
the one thing about VOP major that's so good is the TC CD reduction, will always get a clap or two, but yeah only 10 ish rage
tbh I also think lucid dreams is a bit overrated
willow scarab
VoP feels bad outside of keys imo
analog swift
lucid as minor
willow scarab
I said that since day 1!!! lucid sucks
warm plinth
Yeah I was actually looking at your logs to see what he meant about uptime and you actually got a very small amount of procs on the one I looked at lol
You had like 3 individual procs and no extensions in a 4 minute fight or something
analog swift
you should be using avatar about every 35 seconds with the minor 35-40
so you're getting ONE lucid dreams proc per avatar
ish
your rage costing abilities are either 30 shield block, 40 IP, 30 revenge
let's just say it procs on an IP
you got refunded 20 rage, and a 2 second cooldown reduction on avater/demo etc
def good, 2 second reduction probably comes out to a 3 sec total reduction with AM
lets say avatar every 35 seconds, (which is around 55% uptime)
to around every 32 seconds
analog swift
way to interrupt asshole yes nice awesome gg you're lucky kkkk
old night
lmao
willow scarab
they big
warm plinth
rofl
analog swift
sooo maybe we're looking at 10% more avatar uptime?
old night
hi ghash
analog swift
compared to anima
which is, at base health, no priest buff, not last stand no commanding
40K dam
single target
if you use that on a 5 pack I mean 200K
that's on a what 3 min cd?
so compare that to 10% more avatar uptime across 3 minutes
warm plinth
2.5 for r1. 2 min for 2/3
warm plinth
Hi Film
warm plinth
In 2 mins yeah
old night
about 3
analog swift
so 66 seconds of avatar
ish
vs.
60 seonds of avatar
so 1/3 of an avatar ~ compared to 200K damage
super feely craft
i'll try it tonight in some keys
willow scarab
anima for 60k maybe if you're not using it properly
sand egret
while I use anima now, it just feels funky to use tbh
i don't like that it's on the GCD
willow scarab
Surely your anima is going to be 80k+
I don't like that you need to use 2 spells to set it up
sand egret
even without stacking taht shit for the big-boom, it feels like a weird button to press. Something about the cd length, lack of significant feedback (animation/VFX/SFX), it being on the GCD, etc. just feels off to me
sand egret
and the "healing" component is inherently reactive, which also doesn't feel great
on the GCD that is
sand egret
because it's a function of the ability?
willow scarab
anyone else miss enraged regen
warm plinth
Has anyone gotten the ability to craft Overclock btw?
sick sentinel
Hi I've got the bloodthirsty urchin trinket and the 3 gem slot. Is the inscription trinket for tanks better or worse than what I'm currently using should I use it for raids and use it instead of the 3 gem trinket?
warm plinth
What's in the punchcard, first of all? And second, if you don't need the survival I would use the inscription trinket over urchin depending on urchin's item level
warm plinth
I'd use sundering instead of urchin if you don't need the survival. Idr exactly what comes from the quest. It's like vers/haste and overclock right?
ionic fern
Inkpod and Asvane's Razor are two of the highest simming trinkets right now for us.
From the new raid tier.
sick sentinel
I have 430 rezans and 425+s alch
replacing rezans, especially with 1100 haste is a surv loss
willow scarab
Yeah but there's more than just surviving
warm plinth
Like parsing
willow scarab
are you even having trouble surviving
grand drum
when do you extract razor?
hardy holly
yo guys, wanted to ask how much dodge points we need to make 1% dodge on warriors
analog swift
@sick sentinel inkpod is clutch. Doing nearly a mil in keys
analog swift
Me and two other guildies had it on ashvane when that procced she went from 30% to 20%
Mythic plus
willow scarab
First 3 mythic bosses do no damage might as well use it there
not sure if 4th trucks or does nothing as well
sand egret
does it keep stacking? or does it cap out?
willow scarab
infinite stacks
willow scarab
that's the stupid bit imo it shouldn't crit
sand egret
so just a massive payload?
willow scarab
rng making the trinket 2x as good
analog swift
Not sure
sick sentinel
okay
analog swift
But it’s pretty high
analog swift
Here
analog swift
no
sick sentinel
EXACTLY
analog swift
It’s really annoying
analog swift
^^^
sick sentinel
I am actively tanking
willow scarab
because high chance you don't get autod after it and drop a silly pull
sick sentinel
and my debuff is dropping
ionic fern
Jep, we also settled it by taunting on barrage.
Or just when the other hits 5 stacks.
warm plinth
They just tank the boss with their back to it 😏
exotic spoke
What The fuck really?
So we taunt swap on barrage on first boss?
Or five stacks? I assume if I see my debuff getting low Because a string of parries I should call for it early
ionic fern
What ever works for you.
We just found that either on Barrage or around 5 stacks. I just kept an eye on the debuff timer of my co-tank and called a taunt right when he got refreshed debuff so he had plenty of time to move out etc.
willow scarab
Five stacks and barrage otherwise you risk it timing out from parries / cast sequence and dropping in melee
west kayak
So, even at 400ilvl, Sundering is a good dps trinket?
warm plinth
Yeah, it's better than quite a few other trinkets at higher ilevel.
west kayak
I will have to give it a look. One other question about a trinket, Edicts of the Faithless. Icy Veins shows it to be #3 trinket for survival but I have seen quite a few people here knock it. Is it not as good as it shows?
I ask as I got a 420 Edicts with Speed the other night.
exotic spoke
To quote Ricky Bobby: “if you aren’t first your last”
Is kind of how I look at it. Yes it’s good. However there are other - better - options assuming equal ilvls.
We don’t need to use two defensive trinkets. Some people say we shouldn’t use any. But if you use one and have the option would you use the best or third best?
frigid heart
we only taunted barrage, didnt pay attn to stacks at all 🤷 but u can still drop your puddle outside of barrage if you parry and she chain casts 2 spells
exotic spoke
It also requires more planning / active usage to take advantage of it
wooden radish
@ionic fern 👋
west kayak
My other decent ilvl trinkets are 410 Rezan, 415 Jes, 415 Diamond and the 425 Alchemist trinket.
exotic spoke
Now your get to the question of do you think you need more defensive things or not (consider that even dps trinkets add to our survivability)
west kayak
I survive just fine it seems in current raid content. High key M+ hasn't been too bad.
Current raid content = Norm/Heroic. I dont have time to Mythic raid.
exotic spoke
Then maybe you use one survival and one dps. With the ones you listed maybe edicts / rezan.
I don’t have alchemy stone so I don’t remember how good it is
west kayak
I do love blowing shit up as Prot since this is my only toon and Prot is the only spec I play.
exotic spoke
It’s going to come down to your preference / what your healers can handle / how good or bad your raid is - and while I can say you should run 2 dps trinkets - I don’t know your situation
west kayak
The Alch trinket has around 20% uptime.
exotic spoke
But be open and mindful of it and see if you can swap to more offensive as you get comfortable imo.
west kayak
So with what I currently have I should run Rezan and Sundering? My guildy can make that trinket for me.
brisk ferry
pretty sure sundering is hot garbage in M+
exotic spoke
Never tried it. I’m running punchcard with cyclotronic in higher m+ with urchin
brisk ferry
it sims super high, but it's asuming you can achieve the stacks on a single target to trigger it
in practice, good luck
exotic spoke
Interesting. Yeah I don’t see myself using sundering in m+
brisk ferry
by all means if you are fresh 120 it's fine at 400 ilvl I guess, but I wouldn't bother in M+
west kayak
I am 421 atm.
brisk ferry
I know my healer and we usually pug DPS so I usually just go full dps for our keys
west kayak
I just have crap luck with getting gear from bosses. I say it that way as I got the BoE hands from EP at 450ilvl.
brisk ferry
ooh nice!
yeah my group has had crazy luck, our fresh resto shaman is already 421 from the ~15 keys we've done
exotic spoke
Up to 430. Ran several m+ after raid and got some good shit
brisk ferry
I haven't gotten anything from our keys for upgrades so far, but my cache was a 440 shield so I can't complain
west kayak
My shield is still 400 and I have used every coin/token trying to get a new one since BoD...
exotic spoke
Lucky. I got a 445 ring - which I had at 416 socketed - so not too happy. Though I can’t complain. I got a 430 indestructible socketed shield
From a boss
brisk ferry
saves on gold lol
west kayak
😢
bold dock
what's the reccomended enchant for prot? I tried naga hide it was 7% of my overall healing, how are the other enchants compared to it?
this was in m+
brisk ferry
yesterday some of the people here educated me to run Force Multiplier, and it's great
strictly M+ btw
exotic spoke
It saves a fuck ton.
Grevaeo - I was the last person to get a shield in my mythic raid. 3 shaman, 2 paladins (main spec) and then 2 ret paladins and a fury warrior got it before me and couldn’t trade
Naga hide is not that good.
Use force multiplier or if you’re cheap use quick nav
quick elk
I know the guide has a list, but mine are all different levels. so not sure what combo is best for raiding.
brisk ferry
that is a nice Rezan's
sand egret
this mofo with the casual 440 rezan’s flex....
analog swift
@brisk ferry go 80 strength too
pallid berry
so i have a question about azerite traits, is vision of perfection better all the time?
brisk ferry
is that new as well @analog swift ?
sand egret
traits or essences?
pallid berry
essance
brisk ferry
man I did no research apparently, coming back to 8.2
pallid berry
like rank 2 concentrated flame seems like so much damage
sick sentinel
is there a way to get a 2nd Punchcard Trinket? want to start using the channeled red punchcard but don't want to give up the defensive of the Overclock one just in case
pallid berry
or pinch heaaling
grand drum
no, punchcard is a unique
sick sentinel
Ik you can't equip 2 at once
was just wondering if i can have 2 layouts to swap between
grand drum
its a unique so you cant have 2 in your bags, you're thinking about unique equipped
exotic spoke
@pallid berry perfection is pretty much amazing at all times
brisk ferry
heading into every single pull with Avatar feels amazing
ivory peak
ye vision is awesome
pallid berry
god damnit
grand drum
I did an oopsie and went with worldvein yesterday instead of vision, explains why my parses were bad
ivory peak
whats best minor for us? still lucid?
exotic spoke
What’s wrong with mechagon lol?
ivory peak
it takes soooooo long
pallid berry
the megadungeon is boring and tedious
exotic spoke
It’s like an hour - hour 15
brisk ferry
yes @ivory peak the rage gen from Lucid is great
ivory peak
thought so. thank you
pallid berry
yea but do ya ever really have rage problems with prot
exotic spoke
Eh, kinda? 1 person hadn’t been in there 1 had been in there once. And the other 3 had been in there 3 times
brisk ferry
dumping into IP just means more Avatar
pallid berry
so you had an experienced group my dude
thats not kinda
ya only need to go through once or twice to know
exotic spoke
Flawless normal run - now time to do nothing but hard modes in there
Sorry, 3 had been in there twice (it was the third time). Even when we hadn’t been in there at all it was an hour and a half on ptr
First run. It was honestly the most fun I’ve had in a dungeon for a while
ivory peak
its fun. my group was still fairly new and we could use more gear so we had some trouble and took us a few hours
and it was late at night and just wanted to go to bed. bad times lol, but it did seem fun, just need to have a good group and a bit of time
exotic spoke
I’m upset though about mechagon island. I can no longer Jetpack around and use cyclotronic on enemy players in warmode 😦
brisk ferry
the first half felt much tougher than the 2nd half
pallid berry
you cant use the beam in pvp anymore?
exotic spoke
No, you can’t use them while you’re in the air with a jetpack
You could until it was hot fixed lol
Fly around and nuke people from orbit
jagged narwhal
I can't seem to find a good guide for Warrior as to what Essences are the best for Prot
both survivability and AoE Threat / damage
exotic spoke
jagged narwhal
I don't trust Icy Veins half the time
brisk ferry
that's where to go for Prot Warrior
exotic spoke
Why lol? That’s where you go for prot warrior
jagged narwhal
Because it's not where you go for Mage, Warlock, Ele Shaman or Rogue :p
jagged narwhal
Yeah so i figured I'd rather ask than trust a source I know to be inconsistent for some classes
warm plinth
Makes sense to me. We do use the icy-veins guide as our primary guide though, so you can check the very bottom of the essences page for the defaults for raid/M+ and there are also descriptions/explanations of some of the more preferred ones above that.
Like pretty much everything else prot war though, you'll likely use a lot of the same stuff for almost everything.
sick sentinel
what's optimal usage for Ashvane trinket
is there a set # of stacks to pop at? or just line it up with avatar*
graceful cobalt
hi wich enchant for weapon is now the best for warrior protection
sick sentinel
Force Multiplyer
graceful cobalt
thx
sinful terrace
Hey guys, I've seen some prot warriors man-handling so many mobs at once and barely losing hp/gaining a bit. How do they do it consistently? Is it just once in a while they do it while popping cds? I'm new to prot so I might just suck at it as well
exotic spoke
Its properly using their active mitigation (shield block / last stand with bolster), their defensives (shield wall, IP, and demo shout), and gear also plays a part in it
Yes seoinage
naive panther
Thanks
brisk ferry
I think the most common thing I've seen in M+ is prot warriors sitting on their CDs
you're gonna pump through a ton of rage, they'll be off CD a lot
exotic spoke
We have cooldowns for days and they are short. Pop them frequently
brisk ferry
yes exactly
sinful terrace
Thanks for the tips 😃
exotic spoke
What Ilvl is your shield swayne
sinful terrace
Like 370 or something, just started gearing. Overall is like 380 😃 So there's room for a lot better gear
brisk ferry
yeah you'll see large jumps as you get to 400 and 415 ilvl
15 ilvls felt like garbo in Legion, it's huge now
exotic spoke
Just so you’re aware - just use the highest Ilvl shield you get. Shields have the largest impact on our mitigation (armor and blockvalue which are directly tied to Ilvl.)
So a 370 means it doesn’t provide a lot and like brostradamus said you’ll notice huge improvements as your shield improves even if nothing else does
sinful terrace
I see! Didn't know shield played such a big role
dark lark
It's the block value on the shield itself
And that goes higher and higher with ilvl
Which reduces the damage we take during shield block
sinful terrace
It isn't possible to maintain 100% shield block uptime, is it?
dark lark
Uhh, you can maintain it for a long time but no, not 100%
brisk ferry
close, with SB > SB > SB > LS > SB > SB
dark lark
3 shield blocks, last stand, 2-3 shield blocks if you get lucky haste procs
In raid you're more likely to tank swap anyway, in m+ you either kite trash or you wall during boss fights
sinful terrace
Thanks guys!
sand egret
im going to second the idea of "saving" cooldowns
dark lark
You can even take advantage of certain fight mechanics to buy time for your shield block charges: one example is soulbound Goliath in waycrest, leap away and kite for a few seconds until you lead into fire
sand egret
as being a big problem i see*
definitely watched a prot war not use Shield Wall for an entire key.
brisk ferry
man you can use it on every 2-3 packs easy
sand egret
Did he need it? prob not.....could he have pushed harder and utilized it
brisk ferry
some people like to really worry tho
sand egret
yep.
dark lark
Not using shield wall for doing double pulls and shit is such a travesty
sand egret
well they just didn't DO those
that's the point
looking at a cooldown as a "when I fuck up I can use this!" button is just not the move imho. It's a tool to be used (at least in our kit)
not one to be saved for a rainy day
dark lark
Although I'm not entirely sure how to double pull with emissaries in the way just yet
If I'm being honest with myself
For voids just have to find a nice pillar to hide behind, and how I deal with tides is pretty comp dependent
exotic spoke
As others said you can’t realistically have 100% uptime on shield block in m+. But that’s what the other cooldowns are for.
And also, as avatar uptime increases with vision of perfection and as you get better BoM - it’ll block more attacks
At times for the voids you just soak the first one and go all in on murdering it before the second cast
dark lark
It doesn't block more attacks quantity wise, it improves critical block which improves the quality of the block
So if you avatar and don't have shield block off, it's not that grear
brisk ferry
I actually ran out of CDs on our AD final boss last night, I just blamed the DPS for not doing enough dmg
think it was the first time since swapping to warrior that I had no CDs for a boss, other than IP
dark lark
AD final boss doesn't hit super hard outside of skewer though, the bigger problems is just spiders overrunning
Which DPS is more likely to die to anyway
exotic spoke
Mastery increases your chance to block AND chance to critically block dshoo
brisk ferry
yeah that was also the case, ton of spiders
people trying out DPS is exhausting, every run is a carry
exotic spoke
So, yes, In effect, Avatar will help you block more attacks as BoM gives more mastery
sand egret
only when you dont have SB active*
exotic spoke
Yes
dark lark
You mean the passive block chance? Sure but it's not a replacement for actual SB
You're just praying to RNG haha
exotic spoke
Which is what i was referring to - avatar uptime increasing means you’ll be more likely to have it active while you have eventual SB down time
Well yeah - but Iwas specifically referring to having downtime on SB and just incidentally having avatar up (not saving it)
dark lark
Sorry misunderstood you then
In either case, I blow Avatar like a pepega whenever it's up anyway
Gotta clap more
sand egret
@brisk ferry Yaz has a bunch of built-in downtime. So there's definitely room to optimize SB usage to keep it up 100%
exotic spoke
Agree dshoo.
brisk ferry
when should it be ok to let it drop? When she's channeling the ability that spawns clones?
exotic spoke
When she’s casting and channeling
sand egret
that, and her actual damage cast
during the spectres part, she'll always cast it which is usually your job to int
let that go as long as ya can
brisk ferry
yeah I always int it, but I guess I don't consider letting it drop
sand egret
and you can save a second or so on SB, etc.
brisk ferry
unless it lines up
yeah that seems like optimization that I can't do right now, cause I'm busy making sure the rest of my friends are playing their classes half decently
prime example is DH removing golden claws (I think?) from priestess in AD
sand egret
tbh it's very by feel for me, but there are moments when you'd basically get 75% of a SB charge at the cost of maybe taking 1 auto sans SB, etc.
brisk ferry
god dammit help me out
sand egret
but I usually don't have trouble with CDs on Yaz, specifically
brisk ferry
yeah I think I could get there if I were to focus more on my play
dark lark
Yeah golden claws trucks now, I like it
brisk ferry
well we had a spriest on Yaz that was 12k I think? on AD11
brisk ferry
like I don't think my CDs are our big issue right now lol
oh yeah was below mine 16k
dark lark
Is this a set group or all pugs
sand egret
but yeah she's also got a metric fuck-ton of health as a soft-enrage
brisk ferry
it's a group of friends that are coming back to wow after a while, so they're deciding which one of their characters they want to play
sand egret
so dps is totally a need, esp on Tyr
dark lark
Do lower keys with them then, and pug higher ones
brisk ferry
yeh that was the original idea, they just wanted to try out some decent keys plus get 1 for weekly
sand egret
gotta learn somehow /shrug
dark lark
I mean if they want to try it, then deplete it who cares haha
It is extremely difficult to manage other's gameplay if you're not already playing yours optimally
brisk ferry
yeah I agree
dark lark
If you want to improve, risk higher pugs where you are in fact the worst one, and you focus on your own gameplay without worrying about everyone else
brisk ferry
think resto druid and I are fine, especially if we don't plan to really push. So we're trying to help them
dark lark
You might get people mad at you, but whatever
exotic spoke
Regarding pulling packs on to emissaries- I can see groups doing that more so into void emissaries
dark lark
So far I've just been pulling packs around voids out of line of sight, killing pack, then finishing void
topaz ember
is it possible to figure out how much dmg we blocked in a fight?
dark lark
My groups damage isn't high enough with cleave to just mongoloid the void down, and that kind of movement with a pack on your ass, you're bound to get chunked from behind
if they do their ST rotations they can kill beefore a 3rd cast, but not cleave rotation
exotic spoke
Not enough before the second cast?
Rip
It’s not as bad this week. But last week some placements where aids
dark lark
I haven't played this week, been away on holiday
So I don't know if things have improved for them lol
My bear buddy stepped up in my absence
brisk ferry
we actually did WCM and the void before witches is hilarious
all alone behind a post
sorry this may have been last week, I forget
but quite funny, and very easy to LoS
exotic spoke
Haven’t done WCM this week. Last week we had our VDH trigger the boss while we cleared trash down below - he went up over the balcony / into room and ran out after shadowmeld
dense flame
The most deadly are the bad cc\int emissary placement. Outside of root, are there any other strats ppl using?
Imo*
exotic spoke
Chain root or just burn it down first / cleave off of it. Seems to be the least common so far
dark lark
If it's in a group of banana monkeys from FH it can be rough
My group experimented with our MW taunting it away lol
Tank holds pack, and DPS just burn the tides
Not sure how that'll hold up in anything higher than a 13
ionic fern
@wooden radish 
supple path
My favorite so far was the solo void after Zul that's standing right next to a pillar. Like some of monument to pointlessness.
wooden radish
@ionic fern how come you you won't tell me how to be a parse monger 😦
ionic fern
Have you tried randomly PM'ing people?
lusty grotto
yes with logs @topaz ember
topaz ember
can you do it with dmg meters or just logs
exotic spoke
Nim - when is nimchy going to play again
sand egret
You didn't...hear...? Nim got banned from Alliance. Something about being toxic and not getting enough pals
exotic spoke
Well then - guess rigatony can come and play right?
lusty grotto
not sure
probably when i hit exalted with rustbolt/nazjatar
which im close to anyway
sand egret
Im not even honored 😦
exotic spoke
😦
sand egret
actually, maybe I am...but not Revered, which I currently can't stand not having now that other people have it
War Mode with no flying mount is annoying
but Riki, i'm always up for it if you wanna let ya Boy tag along for some shit 😃
exotic spoke
I mean - only if he wants to actually show up and maybe raid
Twice a week from 830 to 1130 eastern on Tuesdays and Thursday
modern brook
@topaz ember on the fly the best metric for"did i block enough damage" is not being dead
a less meme answer would be your healers mana, assuming you trust your healer to not be a monkey with his resources
@sand egret im not even friendly with the rustbolt
I'm torn between my desire to fly and staying true to my character RP of hating gnomes
lusty grotto
honestly mechagon is pretty fun
sand egret
haha yeah...i'm just trying to unlock that shit atm, as now not having it just sucks
sand egret
i like it better than naz for sure
lusty grotto
naz is great once you get flying
lusty grotto
but there have been a couple of emmisaries
so you really didn't need to do it every day
sand egret
I basically just do the WQs and most of the dailies when I get on
i wanna play my hunter some more, tbh, but I wanna unlock flying before I shift my focus. That and queuing as a dps is a whole bunch of bad
modern brook
same boat blade
i hate doing world content on what is essentially a key ready character
and i wouldnt mind checking it out on my alts but i gotta get them birds
sand egret
that's my plan, unlock flying > work on flexing the new catch-up mechanics on my other chars
ionic fern
I'm just waiting until they actually make the essences account wide and i'm happy to play alts.
sand egret
lucky for me, i have jack shit on my main so i'm not realllly missing much haha
wispy plume
Yeah I got lucky with a shield from my cache
And it still hurts
I also can’t be bothered unlocking flying lol
I’m still friendly with rust bolt
sand egret
the mechano-parrot is a big incentive for me....not gonna lie
wispy plume
Lol yeah I mean I have just spent my time in keys. Got 430 equipped from pumping keys
That’s with 2 420 Azerite
And 1 430 azerite
sick sentinel
might be random but does anyone know a bit about details here? i cant find an option i turne don bya ccident
I JUST GOT A SHIELD
AASOPDFASDFASKDJFLASK
oblique garnet
👏
drifting bear
im still rocking a 370 shield and 273 weapon 😂
strong forum
@willow scarab fuck your chest btw
sand egret
ohh what a pull mate
sand egret
👀 be a big fish
sick sentinel
what does it do for me
strong forum
to you nothing
sand egret
smacks ya
sick sentinel
"more damage"
strong forum
nothing
sick sentinel
cool
strong forum
if youre not RL you dont have to change up shit
strong forum
really bad shouldrs
actually no
good for progress
but sivarra chest is giga garbo
sick sentinel
I am tanking only until the end of the month
shivara and behemoth azerite is amazing for fury
brisk ferry
Damn nice shield kaege
tropic star
are people finding memory of lucid dreams really that useful?
running it as a minor i am only getting like 7-9 procs in a fight which is an extra 4 IPs
the healing is neglidgible
in most fights the magic barrier from the absorb one provides far more healing that those 4 IPs and the healing together would
ionic fern
No..not really. I prefer VoP as minor
dark viper
how long should i stack ashvanes razor coral?
tropic star
what are you running as major then if not VoP
spiral sandal
Ritual feather - I got one from an emissary quest considering if its worth it or not, its mastery on use
icy veins made no mention of it
brisk ferry
according to Bloodmallet it's alright
oblique garnet
its nice
spiral sandal
picked up a socketted one so considering it over the pocket computer
ionic fern
@tropic star cof
If all goes well you should be able to sim with essences in a day or two on raidbots nightly build.
ionic fern
Cof is by far the best dps one for st
spiral sandal
probably to counter the lasers from DH and other Laser wilders
lusty grotto
rustbolt resistance has paragon 😮
tropic star
yeah isnt the schematic for the BOA rep boxes in it
lusty grotto
yup
exotic spoke
@sick sentinel yeah it is. It’s missing indestructible
marble cipher
We taking one strength gem now , or haste for days?
timber nest
Is the slam on sivara blockable?
lusty grotto
not blockable no
elder monolith
Anyone having issues with Bastion of Might not working properly or work at all right now?
Mine is only activating when Visions of perfection procs
abstract geyser
Take off your gear and put it back on
That happened to me with test of might yesterday. I was hitting like a wet noodle for a few pulls and was noticing my TOM wasn’t activating. Some bug with the az gear
small flicker
how does prot match up against other tanks right now? I cant tank court to save my skin
covert current
Is Sivara's smashes blockable?
spiral sandal
oh nvm i know who you are
undone sun
https://i.imgur.com/8828uel.png @covert current https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vRvMMhBT1xyvECDvAlxXirfLYtgzYZ18vjY3zRyA4LU7NgVg5Vmj-MroMT5W6i94q0aYNodyer0hbZ3/pubhtml#
covert current
tyvm
marble cipher
Would you guys go sphere or lucid as minor if you had to pick one for dungeons? With vision as major obviously
Or something else even?
lusty grotto
🤦
marble cipher
Right, guess that's been asked too many times, will search 😁
marble cipher
Yeah, I read that, it says those two as minors. But if your neck is not high enough yet, my question was which of those two should get prio as minor.
exotic spoke
What order are they listed in?
marble cipher
How should I know the order is set as prio. But, thanks I guess 😉
next goblet
warriors are still good tanks for m+ correct?
cobalt trout
yeah think so
exotic spoke
Yes fuzzy
undone sun
without a doubt
exotic spoke
Also, given that lucid was listed above sphere in “mandatory essences” while sphere was “situational” may have clued you in
bold marten
sure, prot is viable
next goblet
they're not the best m+ tank anymore though?
exotic spoke
It’s too early to tell but uh - things look very good to continue status quo
old night
would you say theres a point where theres too much haste
undone sun
not a reachable amount
old night
unbuffed with these new fat haste rings im at 24% haste, 37 mastery, and 5% vers
if i swap my new one out im at 22% haste and 9% vers
idk if i should up the haste for the vers loss or not
undone sun
without dropping ilevel you'd want to aim for haste anyways
tender imp
yes you should. it has a socket even
round vortex
Why on earth is that even a choice lol very easy decision
Regarding prot in M+ they will likely stay the meta. The top teams have said they are so comfortable with using their prot warrior they the damage nerf wasn’t enough to make them change. So still top tank the others are just viable as a tank in a top group as well now. Tank balance is really good right now. Monk, Warrior, Paladin, DK are all usable. Druid and DH still a bit behind but not by a huge margin, but enough to not want one lol
oblique garnet
Druid is not even behind
undone sun
druids definitley higher than previously
solar delta
Is there a trinket in the new raid I sohul;d go for?
empty inlet
brazen sequoia
@old night lol I thought it said "Enchanted: -60 Haste". I almost choked.
oblique garnet
^
sick sentinel
has there been any talent changes for us recently
brazen sequoia
Ravager is the best talent for prot atm. Totally.
potent anvil
oblique garnet
Bad Deswind no. We dont speak of ravager
potent anvil
Legion arms ravager were the good ol days. 
oblique garnet
This is protection not arms
potent anvil
oblique garnet
437! @potent anvil
potent anvil
Youre 437? Huge. Im only 431 lol.
oblique garnet
Yeah ive been on the grind
willow scarab
does it still count as a grind if you got lucky on titanforge
437 has to make you top 5 warriors in the world for gear
envious too because that's huge for prog
honest frigate
Is it though 🤔
oblique garnet
I still have 415 weapon :/
warm plinth
RIP
willow scarab
do you guys log out in ilvl gear
look at how lucky sense got on raid gear this week
430 font of power you guys cheesing these
oblique garnet
actually using it
vivid sparrow
I bought the 3x 430 pieces from vendor. But only 1 piece has bastion on it. Should I use them or keep using the other 2x 415s with all 3 bastion
oblique garnet
finally i can actually go to sleep now
warm plinth
Use the higher ones
oblique garnet
Also i have no other good trinket alternatives
been farming ad and wcm for gore/rezans
just hasnt dropped
warm plinth
So what does the weapon put you at?
hasty nova
yall use fury or str?
oblique garnet
437.56
warm plinth
Nice
oblique garnet
Also pots ive been using unbridled fury
undone sun
whatever sims higher tbh
hasty nova
yeah someone just told me to use that for dmg over str
warm plinth
You don't like that uh
hasty nova
i think i'ma switch
warm plinth
Ah
oblique garnet
but yeah empowered proximity is probably better for m+
warm plinth
Unbridled is like the damage proc on abilities right?
warm plinth
So you use those for ST and regular str potions for aoe? Or just unbridled for everything?
From your budget perspective XD
sick sentinel
if you want to tryhard probably 3 different potions since the aoe str one doesnt overtake until 4 mobs
warm plinth
Yeah, I ain't about that life
I don't even use consumables because they're too damned expensive on my server x_x
oblique garnet
nah cba prepotting in like 13-15s
warm plinth
Like 850g for a fucking potion, screw that
oblique garnet
only potting on bosses tbh
undone sun
@warm plinth im probably the only one excited about this but discord just released a "hidden" feature for those who can edit messages, you can now hide link and image embeds without having to use < and >
😄
warm plinth
Wait, how do you do it?!
undone sun
warm plinth
Nice!
undone sun
you can do it to your own messages, but for others you have to have the manage message permissions
warm plinth
So you have to be like a mod or something
warm plinth
Nice. Idk I'm kinda used to the arrows at this point but I guess if I forget or something I have an easy way to do it
oblique garnet
Oh my god you didnt hide the preview again thyme
undone sun
🤣
lapis charm
for lady ashvane why does it matter that you move her out of cutting coral
grand drum
cause it does damage
lapis charm
right but o nly we tanks have to be out of it or does ashvane?
warm plinth
afaik it only matters that you and your raid are not in it; don't think it makes a difference if the boss is in it.
hallow kindle
Hey y’all had a question on a trinket, I got a bloodthirsty urchin at 420 and it doesn’t look too great is it actually worth using?
pallid berry
hey is chain of suffering good for warriors
junior ivy
hi
dull current
what's the best alliance race
warm plinth
Kul Tiran Human
dull current
next best lol
tender burrow
Hi all quick question please. I want the hodden arfifact protection skin from legion. How do i get it now? Before you meed like 5 artifact level etc and go into the cave
Has it been removed?
tender burrow
So i dont need to worry anout the 5 itlv
undone sun
nope
tender burrow
Thanks been checking last 4 days and want to make sure not wasting my time
warm plinth
Took me 3 weeks btw. They never made it more likely to show up or anything so it's just RNG
junior ivy
i got it m y first try
undone sun
took me 3 hours 🙃
tender burrow
On my alliance toon took 2 days now more horde isba little longer
Best looking sheild tbh and the bulwark or how ever its spelt
outer dew
real thunder
Hey, quick question for heroic Za'qul. How do you guys handle Phase 4? Does everyone including the tanks go into the fear realm for the adds?
Or do the tanks stay up?
pallid berry
tanks and some dps stay up
vivid sparrow
I’m thinking everyone is using the avatar essence in main slot. But what about the minor?
pallid berry
lucids alright
vivid sparrow
Ya I’m using lucid for mini for the rage. Just was wondering if something else was good too
When you pop avatar do you also stack it with shield block or IP? Im trying to cut some of the dmg I’m taking.
Not that it’s too much dmg. I’m just trying to get better is all
vivid sparrow
Sorry I only do m+
frigid heart
Best strat on Zaqul in P4 is to just stand and kill the boss before the casts go off tbh
vivid sparrow
Nah my bad. I jumped in the middle of yalls conversation. I was trying to figure out should I stack SB with avatar when I start pulls or wait for avatar to go off before starting SB
sweet kettle
what?
frigid heart
use SB during avatar
sweet kettle
when you go in ofcourse you use SB
you are gonna die if you dont and the mobs use melees
sick sentinel
is
undone sun
hmmm, they aren't really mutually exclusive
sick sentinel
orgozoa bugged if the pools overlap each other? this happened twice now where all three pools stacked on top of each other and i stood in them and it damaged the raid
undone sun
SB is active mitigation and avatar increases damage and gens some rage
apples and oranges
orchid token
if you're running triple bastion there are going to be some situations where the extra mastery allows you to treat avatar as a partial shield block, but on anything really hard hitting pack you will still want to layer shield block on top of it
modern brook
avatar + SB isnt like overlapping cds
Avatr w/ bom directly increase the effectiveness of SB
oblique garnet
You have to stop thinking that prot has cds
You basically only have SW and rally
Others are rotational abilities used on cd
modern brook
yeah thats a good way to think of it
vivid sparrow
Ok ty. @orchid token ya I think that’s what I heard from a prot guide on YouTube. Said 3xbastion is the same as shield block. But I don’t have 3xbastion anymore. So that’s probably why I’m taking more dmg during avatar now.
modern brook
@oblique garnet is that a thing?
I've just been maintaining block as much as possible
frigid heart
bastion just makes SB better, idk why youd not hit SB during bastion, seems wasteful
orchid token
because if the survivability of combining avatar with bastion traits and shield block is unnecessary, decoupling them and not using shield block during avatar helps you to get better coverage of mitigation overall
With the avatar covering for some of your downtime
undone sun
youtube guides 😬
oblique garnet
Thats what grinding 50~ m+ last week praying for titanforges and 30~ this week does xd
vestal agate
So I’m new to prot, is there a particular dungeon for us that gives a dank shield
one that should be targetted
oblique garnet
Basically any shield just as long as its higher ilvl
obsidian raft
I have one from Motherload...430i level seems to be good stated
oblique garnet
Thats a good baseline now all you need is higher ilvl on it the stats dont mean as much
obsidian raft
@oblique garnet whats your armory
real thunder
If you are the off tank on Za'qul, do you only take magic damage from him? Meaning no need for ShieldBlock( unless you are tanking little adds ) and just spend rage on IP and Spell Reflect?
red estuary
can I link my armory and ask if someone can tell me what should I improve, I do as much as i can and now I don't know what to do next lol
warm plinth
Your armory is not really going to tell us what needs improvement
oblique garnet
^
red estuary
hm okay
warm plinth
Ilevel is more important than anything, so if you get a higher ilevel piece, equip it
Hm, can you scrap benthic gear?
obsidian raft
I mean....5 i leves dont matter too much...stat weights do play a factor
I mean im not looking to have tons of crit
undone sun
depends on the armor piece; rings, sure 5 ilevels dont matter
oblique garnet
On shield 5ilvl beats anything
obsidian raft
I mean im not going to change out say 340 i level legs with verrs/haste for crit/mastery any time soon for 5 i levels
dim blaze
how bad is dream's end? I got a 440 with avoidance
fluid beacon
Does anyone know if any of the abilities on Behemoth are reflect/deflect able? I just used Spell reflect on the Barb and I heard the reflect sound but I think I still took damage. I'm not sure if there is anything else that gets reflected or if its a bug. I checked the list in the PIN in this channel and didn't see anything about it
junior ivy
thyme youre too helpful you dont even playyyy
undone sun
😄
warm plinth
Imagine not getting rid of previews
undone sun
heresy
oblique garnet
Thyme resub when?
junior ivy
now. he has to resub now
undone sun
i dont have to
oblique garnet
He is subbed 🤭
undone sun
big wrong
honestly have incredibly little interest in mmorpgs
want to try out ff14 but t hat's another purchase my pc wont like
oblique garnet
Ngl 8.2 patch actually made wow fun again
undone sun
¯_(ツ)_/¯
earnest sand
Do we like the bracers off King Mechagon?
undone sun
essences didn't spark interest in me, just a band-aid to a bigger wound
warm plinth
No Grawr, they're pretty meh
junior ivy
thyme do you think youll ever be back
undone sun
i'd like to think so
i've always said it's just an indefinite hiatus, never decided to quit
BFA really struck a nerve with me since it got announced, didn't like the ideas they presented and then when we got to play it, it just wasn't good
warm plinth
Got dat trashmaster title
junior ivy
i could see going back for next expac. technically i have a sub right now
undone sun
definitely
junior ivy
but havent played in a while, havent done anything serious sincei "came back"
undone sun
9.0 i'll 100% resub and check it out
junior ivy
not even a dungeon or raid
undone sun
but until then i'm very hesitant to even consider
oblique garnet
Thats the problem with wow tbh
Its really hard to get back into again if you fall behind
warm plinth
Yeah, little easier if it's at an expansion launch though
undone sun
indeed
if i did plan on coming back in bfa, it wouldn't be anything hardcore or even semi for raiding/m+
i really enjoy the amount of time i have to do whatever
been traveling quite a bit recently
junior ivy
ive been playing nonstop pokemon go
hardy mesa
How much is a socket on a trinket worth?
oblique garnet
About 50 stats
warm plinth
ba-dum-tiss
oblique garnet
Sim it
stuck crown
When is Azeroth's Undying Gift better than Vision of Perfection for Major and/or when is it better than Memory of Lucid Dreams in minor? all rank 2
oblique garnet
In a situation where you need extra dr to survive a mechanic
Havent really seen one yet in the new raid so its hard to say
stuck crown
yeah exactly. Or if it is, they are usually non-physical soaks.
Sorry just realized undying isnt pdps only if its in the major slot
It seems to help other tank classes much more than prot war just because we are already the best with pdps
tropic star
its can fill block gaps if you are tanking for longer than a minute at a time...or if there is magic burst every 45 secs it would be pretty awesome
but we really dont need another CD most of the time.
and the minor is also better for leather tanks than us as are armor is already super high
quick yarrow
hey all, what is better to gear as a Shield : 415 with socket or 430 ? thanks
quick yarrow
got it
tropic star
thats doable
icy yarrow
smash buttons like a fury monkey
tropic star
was timing keys the first week and was only 420
this is tyranical week
so even easier
heck, your damage so good people would take a 415 warrior over 420 anything else a lot o the time
stuck crown
Yeah and if I need magic damage prevention I would just use Nullification Dynamo
So our raid essence seems very lackluster which is unfortunate
tropic star
i dont know
i like it. its just not good for us
DHs would prolly use it a lot
they have frequest active mitigation gaps and that thing is solid
and they are leather so the minor is helpful when they are low
reverse
lucid dreams is aweful for DHs
and rage gen is decent for us
tropic star
there may be a fight with a frequent magic burst dmg that i would definitely take it for
stuck crown
But then you would just go Nullification Dynamo
stuck crown
B/c cooldown?
tropic star
the majors CD is too long
if there is damage that is requiring null dynamo major you can just wall it
and wall should be up again in 2.3 minutes
timed well a 40% reduction in a burst dmg on 45sec cd would be super handy under right circumstances
or if you 100% tanking time like council you could use it to fill block gaps
i think it will be a great tool on for some fights. Can you it to help make azshara jolts a non issue
stuck crown
I guess azshara and maybe rippling waves
tropic star
reflect to reset, then use undying on next 2 stack or something
for sure
definitely an essence i may not use aton but will be very hapy to have available
the one im having trouble with is lucid dreams
as a major it does like too much rage
as a minor it seems a little neglidgible
the major as arms/fury is hilarious though
stuck crown
fire damage....
tropic star
CoF?
stuck crown
Essence of the Focusing Iris
tropic star
if only we could take it as a tank
stuck crown
is there a way to know when Lucid Dreams is proccing in the minor
tropic star
could get a weak aura to track the buff
tropic star
i think i need to get a weak auta for VoP procs
warm plinth
I'm not 100% sure you can do that since VoP procs are just Avatar.
tropic star
yeah, would jsut be an avatar wa
stuck crown
Well some think it's negligible but I don't know if anyone has actually quantified it
tropic star
but not always aware when it is up outside my normal luls
the %reduction seems to be better than the random procs
warm plinth
You don't notice that Thunder clap is suddenly off CD really fast? XD
gaunt dawn
Track clap CD if its shorter than usual press it?
tropic star
during heroic theres like 0 downtime
stuck crown
I'm talking about the Lucid Dreams minor
warm plinth
Yeah I know, he was talking about VoP though
tropic star
i dont have a tell me when or anything. i just have basic bars so no i dont always notice when Tclap is short
gaunt dawn
You can look for combat log events however what would that info provide you that would meaningfully change your playstyle?
warm plinth
I mean, I look at my buttons and if the next ability in my priority is off CD, I press it. How do you do your rotation?
gaunt dawn
Re: lucid
stuck crown
It would tell me how much rage the essence is getting vs using another essence.
tropic star
mostly by feel. I know how long avatar lasts. have a flash for shield slam resets
gaunt dawn
You can look in resources tab of logs
warm plinth
I see
gaunt dawn
Should show in there
tropic star
checking logs i usually get 7-9 lucid dream minors in a fight
gaunt dawn
Tracking it in fight is just a distraction
stuck crown
nice
tropic star
you can check healing to see how many times you were healed, or check buffs etc
warm plinth
Yeah if you need the info just log your stuff and do it that way. You can't make any use of it on the fly anyway.
gaunt dawn
Resource restoration should show in logs
stuck crown
oh yeah forgot it does the heal
gaunt dawn
Under resources, pick the resource type
Select your char first though else you get data for everyone
gaunt dawn
/shrug
warm plinth
Panthea doesn't know anything, what do you mean?
warm plinth
lul
gaunt dawn
Fire mage pog
warm plinth
coughtanknotescough
oblique garnet
Thank you based Panthea 🙏
warm plinth
Oh shit, I take it back. Here's a guy who doesn't know much.
gaunt dawn
D:
oblique garnet
Its true i know nothing
oblique garnet
Nah been doing keys with guildies
warm plinth
D:
oblique garnet
Too much monkaTOS
warm plinth
I never watched the Atal. I forgot about it
warm plinth
tfw you moved your image to cover chat but it didn't actually cover chat 😂
oblique garnet
xd my obs is fucked atm
quiet crane
I’ve been playing with veng lately to god damn its fun like prot
Just so much squishier
Being back artifact weapon mplus problem solved
warm plinth
Yeah veng never stopped being fun except for the part where you get your shit pushed in
strong forum
Vdh is pretty solid tbh
Way better than last patch, that's for sure
Literally immortal during meta
strong forum
Depends on the difficulty
quiet crane
Love the whole imma goku charge this spirit bomb and smash yall
strong forum
👌
twin hazel
on mythic
quiet crane
Yeah he’s being watched by a lot of healers in raid but not saying they can’t do shit
They’re just a smidge weaker then the others
strong forum
Not as much as you'd think Jay
strong forum
I was surprised back in bod how little healer attention I actually needed, and I was tanking stormwall
As vdh
quiet crane
You were soak fury huh