Warrior faction swap is coming soon. Just having trouble deciding on new race
#protection
warm plinth
blissful jackal
Has anyone gotten the protection essence from mechagon? I got it last night and pretty excited to test it out
warm plinth
Yeppers
sand egret
Spoilers: It's awesome
warm plinth
Unfortunately it's useless for the character I got it on. But I got it!
hardy holly
...
I did it and didn't do the essence slot unlock quest before
It didn't drop.
I wanted to cry myself to sleep
warm plinth
Like you didn't do the quest that unlocks the heart forge?
hardy holly
Yeah
warm plinth
RIP π¦
sand egret
oof
hardy holly
I opened a ticket to gm after I did it, days later, and pretended I didn't drop the item because of a bug, asking if they could give me it
But they didn't fall for it lol
warm plinth
RIP lol
They were like nah bro, we see what you did there
Don't pawn that shit off on us
hardy holly
No in their reply they stated that simply I didn't do the quest
They were aware of that basically
Probably other people did mecha without doing the quest and so had my same problem
sand egret
I mean, yeah that's the "correct" answer
but it doesn't take much for them to read through your intent π
hardy holly
Now I am not sure if this week I can tank Mecha... I am ilvl 412 but I have 370 shield...
I mean unless I drop one from weekly chest but imagine if i was just that lucky lol
sand egret
you should be able to, it may get dicey
warm plinth
Are you gonna do hard mode? Or regular?
hardy holly
I'd like to do hardmode.
sand egret
but i'd try and bring some good dps/healers
hardy holly
I'd REALLY like to.
warm plinth
Oh, yeah...uhh...yikes
hardy holly
The head is amazing
sand egret
i'd like to do hardmode myself, but unfortunately my coworkers are sentient potatoes so it'll prob take a bit
hardy holly
I mean in the end is just important that you find people who are okay spending time inside, right?
You can keep trying all times you want
If they stay in party
warm plinth
I just want to be able to 1-phase HK-8 π
sand egret
i just want to not be the last one alive for every boss π
warm plinth
Well, idk if it was a one-off or what, but we ended up going back later in the week to finish our Mecha because we decided to blindly do hard mode
And when we went back, the first boss was alive again and we had to kill him on hard mode to get back to the 4th boss, who was then NOT on hard mode.
grand drum
that ilvl
warm plinth
π€¦π»
umbral forge
are you watching the WF race?
warm plinth
Don't encourage the Nightborne Necrys
orchid token
limit
orchid token
having comms is too good
sand egret
#JusticeForVic
warm plinth
Nice photoshop Jettom
sand egret
ironic name to feel that way
warm plinth
Wait, what did you do to Vic?!
undone sun
π
warm plinth
He's fooling no one. He's a nightborne forever.
orchid token
how convenient for you
sand egret
not with that attitude.
warm plinth
That's what you want us to think.
orchid token
its awfully convenient that right at the moment you're trying to lie about being a nightborne DKs can't be nightborne
awfully convenient
umbral forge
- If I could be a Nightborne DK I would be
- I actually wouldn't because Arcane Torrent is so nice for Frost
- Only nightborne male is good and death knights have to be female
warm plinth
Get wrecked
umbral forge
Thank you. I do have a baby face.
orchid token
like
warm plinth
But fr what did you do to Vic
orchid token
in ur fridge?
warm plinth
You monster
orchid token
thats fucked up
oblique garnet
Jettom bullied vic
oblique garnet
But its not like jettom can bully vic when hes at the same level 8)
umbral forge
helped him join a guild he wasn't good enough for
warm plinth
Oh dear
umbral forge
and when Vic realized he wasn't good enough for it, he choked
warm plinth
That sounds bad
umbral forge
its true
sand egret
#JusticeForVic
warm plinth
#JusticeForVic
lusty grotto
#JusticeForVic
sand egret
@exotic spoke knows
umbral forge
#JusticeForVic
sand egret
they need to make a mythic raid mechanic where in order to not wipe 5 members of your raid need to complete the Bejeweled minigame in a timelimit
lusty grotto
calm down satan
orchid token
i enjoy those
warm plinth
What the fuck Blade
orchid token
i wish all WQs were that
sand egret
party members are selected randomly
orchid token
yeah those too
sand egret
that's the second mechanic
sand egret
but you only get a select amount of moves
in a time limit
each wrong move kills a random member of the raid
warm plinth
I've beaten everything there is to beat on that bad boy
oblique garnet
you mean you stopped after 20?
warm plinth
I actually kinda like that better than the chests, only because it has the cool shapes like inside other shapes
oblique garnet
@warm plinth Theres a secret achievement on that that unlocks after 25 π
oblique garnet
oh
warm plinth
there*
oblique garnet
no
warm plinth
Oh
exotic spoke
@sand egret #LastStandForVic
oblique garnet
it just uses the same thing
warm plinth
I'm gonna see how far I can get now
exotic spoke
Sorry, I was driving
oblique garnet
but it gets progressly harder
I think i stopped after lvl 23
When it was the same thing
Just
warm plinth
Just has more dots?
warm plinth
Checking my achievements now because I'm not sure lol
What section is it in? I can't search on the armory lol
Oh, I don't have it. What a scrub.
exotic spoke
Feels bad - getting 445 ring. when you have the exact same ring at 415 Socketed.
warm plinth
π¦
exotic spoke
Haste Crit. Gain 169 stam and 17 crit. Lose 14 or so haste
warm plinth
lol. At least it's an ilevel boost?
warm plinth
I feel you. I got a 425 on my DH a while back to replace a 400 socketed and it was like a 41 DPS upgrade or something
magic fossil
Any advice for a newb tank that is nervous about starting mythics? I've been running heroics and having fun, but I'm nervous to start mythic cause people are assholes.
warm plinth
Ignore the toxic people because they don't matter.
Go in as prepared as you can be and if you fuck up or you think you might have, ask for clarification. If people are toxic, pretend they don't exist.
hollow kite
whats the go to weapon enchant now?
oblique garnet
Force Multiplier
hollow kite
thx
lusty grotto
i could if i could beat 20 of them by myself
warm plinth
I believe in you
sick sentinel
so i got 450 bracers from cache and ive already gotten 2 more bracers since then
i hate this game
2 bracers that as any other peice of loot were usable
dim juniper
For keys at q decent level 10 to 14s would an offensivecstrat be better than going defensive higher you go. Like traits ect
warm plinth
If you're surviving comfortably, no reason not to go for more damage
A lot of our offensive stuff is also at least somewhat defensive too so you may not lose as much as you think.
vivid sparrow
Damn I got like the worse cache. The brine trinket from shrine. Waste of my first 440 piece.
oblique garnet
#StillBetterThanSporepods
vivid sparrow
Really? I actually use the spore trinket right now cause taking so much dmg
undone sun
nah spore is trash regardless
lusty grotto
eww spore
vivid sparrow
Well I have Rezan, Gore-crusted, spore all 3 at 400. And now I have a 440 Briny. So which would 2 would be better
vivid sparrow
I guess I could run the Rezan for the haste proc and briny. Iβd just lose the crit proc from Gore
dusky mica
Just try it and log your experiments or use a damage meter.
When you eventually replace it the Briny is still pretty good for farming.
vivid sparrow
Ya itβll be nice once I get some upgrades. Iβm just trying to figure out how to stay alive right now. It took me over an hour and half to tank 14 shrine last night. Still at 416 ilvl
dusky mica
First half of Shrine sucks if the dps don't stop enough water blasts
vivid sparrow
Ya the water blast stacked with the Templarβs cleave was knocking me to about 10% every time they pulled together.
dusky mica
At a certain point, your tanking is not that relevant. It's down to the rest of the team.
DPS can stop almost all dangerous damage onto tanks. They just need to not all tunnel the same target and use their buttons.
vivid sparrow
Which I do have 28k Titan. So I could buy all 3x 430 pieces. But Iβd hate to lose my 3 bastion traits I have on my 415s
vernal vale
Anyone know how the haste stacking weapon is from the new raid
lusty grotto
its good
vernal vale
Dreams End
dusky mica
it's attack speed not haste though
vernal vale
za'qul drops it
vernal vale
i know orgozoa is a nice defensive weapon
lusty grotto
use your highest ilvl weapon
it doesnt matter what the stats are
or if its za'qul's
weapon damage > all
dusky mica
rage gen is ass in BFA and all the systems surrounding it
lusty grotto
rage gen isnt an issue in bfa, idk what you're talking about lmao
vernal vale
lol
lusty grotto
but yes autoattacks are 2 rage per hit
dusky mica
the rage generation mechanics are worse than legion, imo
the non scaling rage from big hits and magic
the inability to dump excess rage into IP
dusky mica
I don't have issues, but it's worse than legion
and less fun
the disparity between aoe tanking and boss tanking is also pretty large
lusty grotto
pre-nerf warbringer
dusky mica
no, I just preferred more rage and better dumps
lusty grotto
devastator rage gen
warm plinth
Ravager being goo--oh wait
exotic spoke
The Dream
lusty grotto
l2play riki
exotic spoke
CANT GET THAT IN HEROIC
dusky mica
how do you get deleted by felclaws when the artifact negated it
warm plinth
Fair enough
lusty grotto
uhhh
warm plinth
I don't think you could use it for every claws though could you?
Wasn't it every other?
lusty grotto
you get deleted by felclaws by not using SB + NF
lusty grotto
you couldn't
undone sun
right, you used the ability for hit 4 and 5
lusty grotto
you get deleted by felclaws by being an IP spammer
warm plinth
Yep
dusky mica
who is this mythical IP spammer you've just invented?
lusty grotto
you know that phil collins song
warm plinth
I thought we were all mythical IP spammers in T21 π€
lusty grotto
true colors?
warm plinth
Had to spend rage somehow
lusty grotto
not in ToS though
exotic spoke
I can feel it...coming in the air... tonight
warm plinth
Fair
Dude have you seen the fucking deer video Riki
That shit cracks me up so hard
oblique garnet
Thyme go to sleep
lusty grotto
thyme is late your supervisor?
warm plinth
Leafs are all like let the sunshine in, 24/7
sick sentinel
Thyme is answering questions in like 5 discords at a time, can't keep up with the man
lusty grotto
what is this busch league shit - Thyme
oblique garnet
I took like 3x 30 minute nap today i think im ready to grind 8)
warm plinth
66 neck here he comes
lusty grotto
Reclaim, repair, recycle!
exotic spoke
@oblique garnet On Za'Qul - two closest tanks get tethered correcT?
sick sentinel
Force multiplier? Guide says best overall but also says naga hide is best defensively.
warm plinth
Gotta make your own choice there. If you need the survival, use naga hide. If you don't, use force
sick sentinel
What are decent Essence combinations?
lusty grotto
icy veins guide
sick sentinel
I was ways told to avoid icy veins. But hey. I was also told to come here for any advice xD
lusty grotto
icy veins is this discord's guide
kind geyser
icy veins is good or bad depending on the class, warrior is pretty good
warm plinth
Sometimes IV is good. Just depends on who wrote it usually. In our case, the admin and theorycrafter of the server wrote it.
undone sun
going into bfa they recruited a lot of the class discord TCs to write IV and some WH guides
warm plinth
And they are a lot more reliable in general in BfA since the actual experts of the specs are writing them
In most cases
lusty grotto
avoid wowhead's for prot
sick sentinel
Ohhh okay. Thank you truly β₯οΈβ₯οΈ
lusty grotto
they are good for fury and arms
since archim wrote them
and hes on those 2 channels
obtuse venture
is it bad to have 2 on use trinkets?
azure sapphire
Is Salvaged Mekacycle Shielding good?
warm plinth
If it's your highest ilevel, sure. Against a same ilevel shield, probably not
azure sapphire
dang, have a 420 haste/mast shield so I guess I'll just use that instead
warm plinth
It's a very small absorb for one, the damage portion is basically negligible since the absorb will break instantly for two, and it only gets 1ppm which is pretty bad.
winter skiff
Ty sir
undone sun
π€£
oblique garnet
What happened to you thyme?
winter skiff
Is the new dungeon hard?
oblique garnet
Not particularly
warm plinth
Hard mode is challenging but normal is honestly kind of a face roll
oblique garnet
Ghash hey you know the puzzle before 2nd to last boss ye?
The one where you have to hide from bots
warm plinth
Yeah
oblique garnet
Ive spent 20 minutes waiting for our healer and warlock to get past it
warm plinth
Oh jesus
oblique garnet
Things you do just to have a lockout for tomorrow
warm plinth
We had I think one guy that took a few minutes but nothing that bad π
Can't lock skip half of it with gate?
Just place the other end on a grate
oblique garnet
Can you spot the problem
warm plinth
Hmm, can you typhoon the bots by chance? We didn't try anything fancy
lusty grotto
smh wow late
oblique garnet
no
its not toxic
the warlock just places the portal inside the pots patrol radius
warm plinth
I imagine it's frustrating
umbral forge
@oblique garnet I know what kind of friends @undone sun keeps lemme tell you everything wrong about him is taught.
ALSO is limit doing splits to deal with Ashvane?
undone sun
what did you just say to me
oblique garnet
Jettom shouldnt you also be sleeping?
umbral forge
That you have at least one friend of questionable caliber
I should but when I go to bed I spend time with my worst enemy so I just take a bath till I fall asleep
lapis charm
is there a solid site to use for prot warriors? like retpaladinxyz is for ret pally? or is it all just info in here?
warm plinth
Here and the icy-veins guide
lapis charm
is there a must have trinket? rolling with the mechagon punchcard and notorious gladiator's safeguard lol (was made by RL to switch prot warrior)
oblique garnet
no there is not a must have trinket
warm plinth
Punchcard is pretty vague; what cards are in it?
We have a pretty good variety of good trinkets
lapis charm
overclock haste logic board haste/mast
oblique garnet
actually insanely good
lapis charm
was fury, so it was not the best, apparently, was ret pally for 8.1 and had no idea about BFA warrior, but simmed highere so i switched and no i'm prot and haven't been prot warrior since legion
what about azerite? have bloodsport x2 iron fortress x 2 deafening crash x2
warm plinth
Check out the guide; it has a lot of this info in it. It's in #268491842637660160 (the icyveins one)
oblique garnet
might want to roll off some of those bloodsports and 1 deafening crashes for something else
What pieces do you have
lapis charm
bleakweald greathelm 7th legionnaire's shoulderplates zanj'ir scaleguard chestplate
regal nest
Any1 encounter that bug in mechagon at jojo, when one of crates doesnt spawn at all? previously we cheesed boss with los around the corner, but after bugfix it's no longer possible. we got first crate, maybe second - but not third. or 1-x-3, which lead to wipe
warm plinth
Are you making sure to hussle when vent finishes? the crates can fall kind of inside each other if you don't move quickly enough
regal nest
oh. ooh... ooookaay
warm plinth
It literally casts like half a second after the vent cast finishes. We were moving at like .3-.4 seconds left on vent and it gave us a couple of yards of space between the crates. It's super close
wide slate
anybody else unable to block any melees from teh boss or adds on mythic radiance?
undone sun
logs?
oblique garnet
are you facing the boss?
wide slate
yes lol
warm plinth
The adds melee aren't blockable according to the spreadsheet
wide slate
yeah
warm plinth
So that's normal
warm plinth
No Mistress treatment this time I guess XD
undone sun
unluck
tulip arch
Does the vision of perfection proccing count for the purposes of the receiving the 5% heal from its minor power?
wide slate
seems like a pretty awful design choice
not a single melee is blockable on the entire fight
the add phase is rough
autumn sequoia
Statprio for prot m+ guys?
naive panther
lusty grotto
rip
warm plinth
RIP
undone sun
oof
eager lake
Anyone know if naga hide enchant for weapons is any good for M+ ?
warm plinth
I'm proud of you bb
hasty nova
/flips hair
warm plinth
Naga hide is our best defensive enchant. If you don't need the survival focus, go for force multiplier
eager lake
I'm running force multiplier for damage but I was wondering if the proc rate would be so good it would even be better than fore multiplier for dps
sicne it procs with blocks
warm plinth
Well, actually I'm not sure. Quick Nav may still be better for defense. I'm not 100% on that.
The premise stands though; it's a defensive enchant that you may not need.
warm plinth
Not anymore
hasty nova
i thinjk i used to get shield enchatns?
warm plinth
There were back in the day
hasty nova
ok yeah
allllllrighty thanks
with mythic plus giving 430s on 10s
i'm about to be full 430
shit i almost am already and it's day one
oblique garnet
same and it hasnt even been reset on eu yet
I was actually almost as geared as @potent anvil but with more sockets 8)
warm plinth
Which trinket?
grand drum
edicts
warm plinth
Oh, according to the guide it's pretty solid for defense
hasty nova
yeah thats like diamond for new
shadow tapir
Sorry for shit quality picture, but is that Boralus Noble Seal worthβs equipping over the Zandalari Empire ring?
warm plinth
Uh, yeah. No question.
shadow tapir
Ok, thank you, I didnβt know if the haste overruled
warm plinth
Nope, ilevel > all. Only argument to be made there is possibly for the socket but I wouldn't drop 30 ilevel for a socket even on a ring
shadow tapir
Ok, awesome. Thank you for the advice.
fallow patrol
Is it worth using over Haste or Versa trinket?
warm plinth
haste or versa trinket is really vague. There are a lot of trinkets with haste or vers and some are good and some are not so good.
exotic spoke
Where is this tracked: Odd
hardy geyser
I believe itβs all the things
Has a lot of useful info on random items (like nazjatar ones)
hardy geyser
Oh lmao
shell cloak
there are no resistances anymore, it is just flavor text right?
undone sun
nah i think it still works
sick sentinel
@exotic spoke 120 resist is 3% dr if I recall correctly
wheat python
Hey guys. Which one do you prefer for your M+ runs in your major slot? Vision of perfection or Anima of death? I'm having a hard time deciding
low timber
is anima that meh? I got it and it seemed cool. also its a lot easier to get that up ranks than vision because I'm a shitter who just got back into my warrior.
oh.
I just read vision
that's dope
nvm
regal nest
Is there any US players who cleared mechagon second time? blueprint drop rate 100%?
shut summit
yup
regal nest
any pieces of 3rd rank dropped?
exotic spoke
Thanks @sick sentinel
regal nest
or its "go-clear-few-more-times"?
undone sun
still a few more times
regal nest
meh
leaden cobalt
Should i use this refracting prism over the new Edicts of the Faithless trinket at 430? https://puu.sh/DTOVq/d1c88df679.jpg
exotic spoke
I think edicts beats it out but its close
shell cloak
try equipping both of them and compare them? π
edicts still requires thinking on what ability comes next etc
exotic spoke
I mean, its hard to easily compare survivability
But is also 10 ilvls higher
Anyway. I have to get up in 5.5 hours. I probably should go to sleep so cya
leaden cobalt
I haven't got the Edicts yet but just wondering if i should be rolling for it this week to use over the prism
modern brook
I mean If the q is which is better if I ignore that its equipped, yeah go with prism
But the q of prism vs other questions was addressed by marok earlier today
oblique garnet
I dont think edict beats out that prism tbh
shell cloak
does the shield from edicts lasts indefinitely?
if so then it has a chance to not even proc the +% increase?
sick sentinel
Can somebody remind me what edict does
oblique garnet
Every 40 seconds gives you a shiled for x amount
leaden cobalt
modern brook
Every 40 seconds ud get a new instance of the sheild
It's like prydaz / resound protection
low timber
is beguiling shitty? I have an 11 waycrest I wanna do, but havent done beguiling yet
sick sentinel
Edict looks fun
modern brook
It's new, at the very least
Idt it's that bad but you gotta learn how u wanna deal with it
oblique garnet
@sick sentinel Can you get me a mechagon lockout thx
sick sentinel
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I'm gonna run mechagon on warrior dh and mage
Just come along for one of those
modern brook
Good night EU bros :^)
oblique garnet
Ofc dude
sick sentinel
Okay good luck
solid owl
@shut summit nice punchcard bro
oblique garnet
What is this
sick sentinel
How hood is the tinkering trinket which has str on it and a haste procc that ramps up? Dont know the name right now sorry
@oblique garnet a shield
sick sentinel
And i got bracersπ
remote tusk
@sick sentinel This one?
sick sentinel
@remote tusk yep
This is like a 1k ish haste procc right? Are trinkets like that better than just a normal procc with 1k for 12 secs
spice ferry
No because you donβt actually have 1k for 12 seconds
But if the proc rate is good, yes
That trinket is good though
sick sentinel
Okay
sand relic
what essence should i get for m+ right now im using anima im not high enough neck to use a minor yet
so i need to kno what major i should aim for
atleast top 2 for m+
orchid token
vision of perfection
stark ruin
Do we know if the schematic for vision rank 2 is a guaranteed drop?
molten rivet
which weapon enchant should we go with now ?
Naga hide?
icy veins still say haste enchant is best, is taht true ?
undone sun
once you have r1, it should be yeah @stark ruin
stark ruin
Thanks, that's what I meant π
fleet oxide
is there site for trinkets for us
sick sentinel
So did the spots of the emissaries change in myth+?
sharp night
yup
sick sentinel
seems like a tides themed week rather than a void themed week
fair crystal
hey guys quick question with visions rank 2 does the proc Avatar still grant the 5% heal ?
rapid jewel
did someone already cleared mecha and can tell me if VoP rank 2 is a garanted drop?
strong forum
Id say 5 ilvl AT THE VERY MAX @remote tusk
Unless you're ST cheesing with RF I don't think you're gonna downgrade ilvl for it
uncut juniper
What materials do you need in order to craft Vision of Perfection Rank 2 after getting the blueprint? Anyone knows?
stone beacon
kind of a catch-up info but i'v read that a 3 x BOM is a must for raid content with the new essence . is that true ???
uncut juniper
@fair crystal do you know?
agile comet
sorry if this has been asked alot and been answered allot but wehn i cehck icy veins it said take quick anv on wepon but when i cehck soem of the highest pasrnin warrior on wow logs none of them have that what wepon enchants are best now?
oblique garnet
What?
agile comet
wut weapon enchant do you want now
oblique garnet
Force multiplier
agile comet
ahhh ok thanks π
hollow sentinel
415 bracers with socket crit/haste or 430 socket crit/mastery?
strong forum
430
urban summit
Did blizzard nerf procs of vision of perfection? :d Or it seems to me π€
willow scarab
i got a proc off a proc earlier today so i don't think
If anyone is curious - it does extend into a 12-13s avatar
strong forum
Fumei you running cof or VoP for progress
Cuz im not certain
If I wanna use CoF with my shit stain of a guild
willow scarab
My answer isn't what you should do
Because I got rank 3 CoF on reset
CoF / worldvein for dps fights
Azeroth's Gift / worldvein for spike fights
Azeroth's Gift / nullification if you really takin the long D
Currently my thoughts, haven't tested because we don't even enter raid until 21 hours from now
kinda also liking anima for orgozoa
I only really like VoP for keys... but I really like the avatar on every pull
willow scarab
zaqul might be a VoP / aegis fight i'm thinking
more autos means more block value and you'll have full aegis stacks more often
could also be an anima major aegis minor for big heal
willow scarab
I raid with bdk too so i need to prep to take big D on orgo/zaqul
since I pull and I hold
strong forum
Oof, luckily I has monk
To get the heavy load on him
My cotank used to be bdk in uldir and bod so I did all the heavy lifting
willow scarab
An argument exists to still tank zaqul though because you can't block the damage he splits to you
strong forum
And monk statue
For ez add taunt
We kinda one-shot zaq on hc, and it was a struggle to get all the adds as off tank
Especially cuz our dps didn't understand to kill the summoners so we had like 7 adds up when he died
strong forum
I say kinda
We had 4 wipes to get the dps to understand their mechanics, and alot of yelling on my part
willow scarab
I definitely had to change my monitor settings to see the predictive projectile for the soak
that caused at least 1 wipe
strong forum
Kek
Next level raiding
Can't wait to wipe to 1st boss today cuz dps keeps running into each other π
Lowkey scared raidleading that
willow scarab
ez 3 boss week for every guild
strong forum
Ye that's the plan
But never underestimate the power of retards
I just pray I get some sort of azerite this week, cuz I got impatient and bought shoulders last week. And I got the worst possible ones they're even worse than my mekka shoulders
The kraken pauldrons with CR and IF π
Insta scrapped em again
Probably the only pair of shoulders in a game that are worse even on 445 than 420 bis
cinder pasture
Unfortunately not a shield...But could be worse π
brisk ferry
a lot of strength on an absolute garbage trinket
sweet kettle
Dont know that shield is huge
sick sentinel
big issue is the 6s duration
obtuse venture
is 20 ilvls worth dropping a socket on my belt?
wide gate
depends what stat you have on the new one
brisk ferry
no
obtuse venture
same stats haste/vers
brisk ferry
the answer is no
wide gate
+60 haste on socket is better i think
brisk ferry
than 20 ilvls?
tepid lotus
im a 427 warrior tank, wondering what the bis essence is. Got rank 2 Vision of Perfection but dunno if Anima of Life and Death is competitive
strong forum
It's not @obtuse venture
exotic spoke
strong forum
Anima could be competitive in m+
obtuse venture
ok thanks
tepid lotus
im doing 12 keys looking to be pushing all to 17 ish this week
strong forum
R2 isn't gonna be useful in raiding
exotic spoke
Iβd use perfection rank 2 over anima
strong forum
Yes
tepid lotus
what if theyre both rank 3?
tepid lotus
i have bastion of might x3 also
strong forum
Still VoP ye, anima could be used for fun ultra pulls in m+ but that's about it
brisk ferry
easy week, given any amount of time to spam +10s there will be plenty of geared players soon
strong forum
My goal is 435+ by the end of this week
young oasis
VoP rank 2 blueprint is 100% drop from normal King Mechagon?
brisk ferry
wish I had more time to play this week
strong forum
AFAIK yes boki
exotic spoke
Its a good week to be able to play. Easy week for m+ grinding / pushing
ionic fern
So...bugs in m+. π€
Apparently the stonewall totem in KR 3rd boss can now "Evade bug" meaning that you cant attack it and it will just keep putting the shield on the boss 24/7.
And in SoB you can now be teleported onto the boat where the boss usually is and just get stuck there. 
brisk ferry
LOL how did they fuck that up
exotic spoke
RIP to both of those.
In TD you can knock the enchanted emissary back through a wall
fair skiff
hey guys, how do u obtain vision of perfection rank 2?
u need to do hard mode or is it just for 3rd rank?
exotic spoke
You just do mechagon again
lusty grotto
Yo @sand egret new non lite switch with better battery life
sand egret
hmmm kinda still want the lite. that form factor is way better. always thought it was 1 joycon too big
molten rivet
What enchany for weapon? Got a lucky 450 wp proc from chest
modern brook
RE: VoP
If im at R1 can i do hardmode and get both 2 and 3 at the same time?
or do i have to clear it 3 times
brisk ferry
@molten rivet see guide in pins, but it's Quick Navigation
analog swift
Hard mode doesnβt drop 3 tho
modern brook
π¬
molten rivet
Okay so non of the new enchant is better than the quick?
brisk ferry
seems so
sick sentinel
ayyy 430 rezans
brisk ferry
ah nice
strong forum
@molten rivet force multiplier is best
torn gust
brisk ferry
wait are you being serious with force multiplier?
modern brook
I can see force Multiplier being better
Assuming proc rates + haste is always chosen if its your higher stat
strong forum
Yes I am bro
strong forum
Force multiplier has 80% uptime
brisk ferry
jesus christ
strong forum
And it's always 264 + 176
brisk ferry
intended?
strong forum
Yes
modern brook
yeah and u need 4 stacks of quick to beat out the haste benefit alone
brisk ferry
awesome thanks
strong forum
So you have way more value on force multiplier
modern brook
@strong forum is 2ndary stats also chosen based off your gearing?
sand egret
it's your highest stat
strong forum
Ye, it's somewhat random depending on your procs obv
If you are in avatar you get mastery
Cuz of BoM
Before 8. 2 I had 100 crit more than haste so without any other procs I got crit
As soon as I had another proc I'd get haste
And being in avatar I'd get mastery
So that was cool
strong forum
You can sometimes have 2
sand egret
but those snap?
strong forum
But yes it snaps
sand egret
if only that shit wasn't so fucking expensive haha
sand egret
its 10k on my server...
sand egret
last night ~9.6k on the AH
sand egret
plenty
strong forum
Geez
modern brook
yikes
sand egret
good thing I gotta do WQs for pathfinding so I can just target the gold ones
sand egret
yeah, my 445 weapon I got is rocking a bootleg enchant and it makes me cry inside
willow scarab
I liked when you could put spikes on your shield
modern brook
it just makes you evil
brisk ferry
I was lucky enough to get a 440 shield from my cache, it should have some sort of enchant/spike
willow scarab
i got a 440 in heroic week and the same slot 440 from cache π
and a warlord trophy from pvp cache π
and now i'm 433.9 ilvl without entering raid for the week π
brisk ferry
damn nice, RIP on the cache tho
sand egret
M+ 10 is 430 cap?
willow scarab
430 base 455 cap
willow scarab
farmed it ALL day for +5 ilvl in my non gem slots
got 1 or 2
then got lucky on legs
willow scarab
it is yes
strong forum
:angery: @willow scarab
Just you wait, until I open my cache today and get a 450 shield
( Inb4 it's gonna be sporepods again, just like s2 start)
spice ferry
Change to arms/fury spec. No sporepods but also no shriek/wep
void berry
I think chest isn't bound to spec. A friend of mine got a healing weapon on his monk and he's always been a tank.
strong forum
^
I'm most likely going to go dps lootspec, just because the tank specific trinkets are horrific and weapons are less likely and I have already 440 1h
lusty grotto
it is most def bound to loot spec
void berry
Ok. Weird shit then, cause he never ever specced heal.
lusty grotto
since it'll be a while to pug mythic radiance, im going tank spec forever until a decent 440+ shield
he most def was
people make mistakes
void berry
Yeah maybe he went for the loot spec heal for some reason π€
Hey wtv, he got shafted, not me \o/
sick sentinel
can anyone tell me how we sim ourselves as tanks?
exotic spoke
For dps - thatβs all we can sim
sick sentinel
is that worth doing or should i be taking trinkets that reduce dmg over ones that increase mine
exotic spoke
I ask that question because it depends on your situation.
Then maybe you consider going more dps oriented - if you can
Our dps trinkets donβt usually hinder our survivability either
sick sentinel
yeah thats very true too
exotic spoke
All the stats add to our survivability as well.
A lot of it comes down to what you think.
Do warriors need defensive trinkets? Usually no. Sometimes yes early in a tier / or at top end content we do
Personally I tend to run only 1 survival trinket at most. Sometimes I donβt run any in high keys - just go for more damage.
Itβs a balancing act - especially in M+. I run with a set group for pushing. I tend to think of the healers and my dps as what I can directly effect.
Finding the right balance for your group is what matters. If I go more defensive does the group get more dps because I pull bigger / the healer can dps more?
sullen drift
i got Ritual Feather of Unng Ak trinket with socket from tortolan emmisary is that any good ? strength and on use giving 588 mastery for 16 sec
exotic spoke
Itβs a β4th BoMβ so itβs pretty good if itβs a solid Ilvl
sullen drift
i got it 415
exotic spoke
Itβs solid for that Ilvl
modern brook
π€· if you're not dying more damage
at least for raid
the exception proving the rule being If ur not dying and ur wiping cause healers are going oom,
but honestly your healers probably suck if thats the case π€·
exotic spoke
Or youβre making mistakes
modern brook
YEah sorry i should clarify in that im assuming the constant "playing the class fairly correctly in a given situation"
if you're not sheild blocking your gear doesnt matter
rapid jewel
explosiv duty kinda hurts your hand after a while ....
mental scarab
No
modern brook
yeah but you get to press V I C T O R Y
rapid jewel
sure, you get free heals all the time, but you add even more to the already high apm, if you chain 4 hours mythic, its kinda start to tax a little
modern brook
I mean i wont fault you for having your hand hurt from 4 hours of play
But im going to say thats cause of 4 hours of play, and not pressing victory rush instead of [other global]π€·
rapid jewel
the new affix is kinda faster then boswandi, you dont wait for the pack to get to you and you have more burst for packs, since no one is padding damage on boswandi
stable gazelle
any opinions on the https://www.wowhead.com/item=168965/modular-platinum-plating&bonus=4777 just got one from mech
analog swift
yeah @rapid jewel I feel like it's about as quick as reaping tbh. I guess overall the pulls tend to be a bit smaller so maybe. Which I'm fine with it's a good challenge that atleast requires coordination but it doesn't take too long
radiant kraken
@stable gazelle I feel like Warriors are solid with preventing physical damage enough to make it not as great of a trinket for us. If it helped with magic mitigation it could be a different story
stable gazelle
cheers
radiant kraken
I mean, if it's an upgrade for you.. it wouldn't hurt! But there are definitely better trinkets
stable gazelle
yeah im currently running 400 gleaming eye and 410 animated blood
oblique garnet
Beguiling is a relatively fast affix its just it completely mixes the count in dungeons because they also give count
So like until you figure out the better routes youre gonna be overcapping %
exotic spoke
@stable gazelle I think that trinket is garbage personally
acoustic hazel
So what ilvl is dropped in +10 now ?
grand drum
430
acoustic hazel
have they scaled up the diffeculty? like is a 10 now more like a 13 in season 2 ?.
remote tusk
Yes
sand egret
yes its scaled up and will be even more dramatic towards the later keys
acoustic hazel
ouch! is that only in this week or was it like that last week ?
strong forum
Every week
acoustic hazel
last wek felt harder be cause f the afix combo I thought
strong forum
They upped the difficulty by 30% AND for every key from 8 to 10%
warm plinth
The scaling changes have been live since the Season started
sand egret
a mix of both last week
warm plinth
They just weren't active during the off-season.
sand egret
scaling + fort put the changes front in center since trash you notice more
stable gazelle
what you guys think of the punch card trinkets
strong forum
Last week was incredibly hard because of insane affixes + the new scaling
Now it's just the new scaling and chill affixes
And what I said still holds true, a 10 rn has the same scaling as a 15 did in s2
A 15 has the same scaling as a 22 in s2
You can look it up on wowhead
oblique garnet
We did 15 wcm as our first key today with 5 melee no soothe
warm plinth
oblique garnet
actually timed it going in blind
warm plinth
^ scaling chart btw
oblique garnet
btw the mobs at the courtyard are affected by tides emissary which is downstairs
10/10
warm plinth
lul
strong forum
Nice game
deep cliff
Is it worth stacking callous reprisal simply for the revenge damage increase?
deep cliff
Well, dmg focus
warm plinth
Yes, the damage reduction stacks as well. But if you're going for damage, DC is far better.
sand egret
but yes the % damage reduction stacks
deep cliff
fair enough
brisk ferry
dang nice, drop or cache?
exotic spoke
I got a 445 ring of one I had at 415 with a socket. I was not amused
oblique garnet
Actually got shield from the cache 
strong forum
Insahne
lusty grotto
gz late
exotic spoke
grats late
lusty grotto
jesus, there's so many guilds at 3/8
i cant remember there being so many guilds at the same progress
sullen drift
what about wrist from mechagon? it gives parry and avoidance on use
warm plinth
Not great. You'll replace them with anything higher ilevel.
long gorge
Hello prot warriors! I have a question. My Rimefrost keeps falling off while Iβm tanking the first boss. Do you know if thereβs a long cast or something you should swap on to prevent it falling off while tanking?
lusty grotto
when i did it, i swapped on 10 and dropped it outside
not sure why it keeps falling off
for you
exotic spoke
Are you staying in while your co tank taunts it?
long gorge
No ~ this is while Iβm tanking
exotic spoke
Do you have logs?
long gorge
When she does a long cast
exotic spoke
Maybe someone hits you with the other color? Would that do if
long gorge
Like the bolts
lusty grotto
are you sure you don't have people running to you with the opposite debuff?
exotic spoke
If the timing is off just perfectly maybe I could see that?
lusty grotto
are you getting hit by the opposite bolts?
long gorge
I donβt think so, I didnβt get inversion I think, just my tank debuff timed out
lusty grotto
we're not talking about inversion
inversion is something completely different from what we've said so far
tanks aren't hit by inversion at all
lusty grotto
do you have logs?
cinder pasture
Me and my co-tank have that problem aswell, debuff just randomly drops off during the barrage or spear occasionally. Pretty annoying
long gorge
Yea, do you have a solution? π
lusty grotto
are you guys somehow avoiding bolts al-together?
i mean
get hit by 1 and your timer will refresh
long gorge
Oh, so you deliberately soak?
cinder pasture
No idea, we just decided to rage whenever it happened, and then move boss a bit if puddles were in a bad position
cinder pasture
Might be the case...But I'm a tank, it's my job to avoid stuff π
lusty grotto
no
its not
its your job to tank stuff
not avoid it
silly goose
i'm talking about barrage btw
long gorge
Ahh. Well here: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/XjNHzKCqxgfbGLJ2#fight=19&type=summary - at around 4:43 my Rimefrost drops off during Overwhelming Barrage despite having threat.
Do the bolts refresh the TANK debuff though? I thought it was just the mark
lusty grotto
the mark
long gorge
The problem I'm having is the tank debuff running out
So soaking bolts wont actually help - I need a melee or a taunt swap
Like, I'm okay to play it by ear, I just wondered if anyone had any more consistent suggestions
long gorge
Rimefrost
lusty grotto
i have no idea what rimefrost is
long gorge
It's a debuff the boss gives when he melees you
It stacks and when it expires it leaves a puddle proportional in size to the number of stacks you have
lusty grotto
ahhh yesa
warm plinth
You shouldn't listen to Nim; he only did 18s in Season 2 π¦
long gorge
Well for the other tank it's Septic Taint yea π
warm plinth
Septic Taint sounds like it belongs on a Cards Against Humanity card, ngl
long gorge
You get blank ones with the pack, maybe you can add it?
warm plinth
That's a great idea. Skyhold teaches me so much.
lusty grotto
its just a weird barrage/combo that can make you drop it
i was pretty sure barrage applied them
let me upload my logs and check
warm plinth
Barrage applies Frost Mark/toxic Brand, but not Rimefrost/Septic Taint
long gorge
On logs it looks like it's dropping from tanks on Overwhelming Barrages
lusty grotto
yeah its cause you're not getting melee'd
long gorge
And those happen once every 1.5m ish
warm plinth
You just have to be aware of when it's about to expire so that you can drop the pool in the right spot
In those situations
long gorge
So I guess if you swap on 8 then Barrage then 8 the Barrage?
Seems like something I'll try
warm plinth
tfw the guy with 0 mythic raid experience provided something to the discussion
long gorge
I dont wanna move the boss - I'm not actually a protection warrior... soIcan'tchargebackin ._.
lusty grotto
π
warm plinth
But you were still asking why it dropped. I said why it dropped XD
Don't take this away from me Nim
Let me have it
Stewart would let me have it
lusty grotto
pretty sure the boss won't move when she's barraging
long gorge
I mean after... while I'm Death's Advancing back to her
warm plinth
Is the same problem happening to the other tank Pop?
I wonder if you couldn't just start tanking instead of him so that the problem happens to him (since he's more mobile)
long gorge
Oh, yea
That's a great idea - let the living deal with the problem!
It isn't happening to him, no
warm plinth
Yeah, you're dead, what do you care?
long gorge
Precisely \o/ Thanks for the help! π€
warm plinth
See Nim? I fucking matter π
lusty grotto
nope
sand egret
to dead people.
lusty grotto
that was a DK, therefore it doesn't count
sand egret
you're basically the kid in the 6th sense