when we all hate that one boomie
#protection
sand egret
lusty grotto
then they become community chevy chase, some dude called short, and steve martin who might be dead
sand egret
def not dead
lusty grotto
ok now i have to look him up
sand egret
steve martin ain't dead, nor is martin short
lusty grotto
ok apparently
he isn't
yeah i know martin short isn't
for some reason i didn't remember Pink Panther
lusty grotto
can you use more than of the same? yes
wide gate
yes
wide gate
like avatar traits in helm and shoulder
wide gate
ok Thank you
lusty grotto
just 1 ignore pain
lusty grotto
icy veins has a good list
you can find the link the pins
here
or in #268491842637660160
down in the protection part
wide gate
ok found it
topaz fable
So is 50 haste more valuable than 80 strength for mitigation?
warm plinth
Are you comparing haste gems to str gems? Because the new str gem is 120 str, not 80.
strong forum
I'm using both strength gems
Like a true 200iq being
But I have 7 sockets in general. Soooo
lusty grotto
my bug reports did it boys!
uhhh
and yes str gems first then haste
(kraken used to be 40, therefore it was ranked lower than haste, but not anymore)
the good news is that kraken's are SUPER cheap
strong forum
All gems are super cheap
lusty grotto
yup
strong forum
Which makes me sad cuz I have 100 of each
warm plinth
Apparently you've never heard of Aerie Peak
strong forum
And it's not even worth selling em
lusty grotto
its due to the JC quest thingie
probably
which i completely forget about when crafting BS items
strong forum
I haven't done the jc quest
lusty grotto
(i honestly have no idea how the BS one works)
oh
well you seem to not need it anyway lmao
strong forum
Then mass prospected
strong forum
No :^)
lusty grotto
y i k e r s
strong forum
But it's not wrong
lusty grotto
haha
strong forum
600k to get 440 ring with socket sure seems like a steal
lusty grotto
i'm just happy they fixed the stupid fucking mining rare
exotic spoke
Yeah Nome. The AH stole your money
lusty grotto
even though i don't really need it anymore since i have all of the r2
strong forum
Meanwhile every other profession can get their stuff for less than 5k
lusty grotto
600k yikes
strong forum
Yup
lusty grotto
that's rough
strong forum
They decided 'hey the mats for rings aren't rare enough, let's reduce the drop rate'
I need over 100 azsharite and sea agate
A single one is 3-5k
:^)
lusty grotto
i might have to swap to engi finally due to BR, kinda sad about it though. Mining is the one gathering thing i've had since vanilla (i was engi in vanilla then swapped to BS in tbc and have been BS ever since)
kinda held back during s2
topaz fable
@warm plinth Right now, you can equip both a 120 str gem and an 80 str gem.
lusty grotto
yes we know
warm plinth
Yeah, I know.
topaz fable
So I am comparing the old STR gem to the new haste.
lusty grotto
old str gem is 80, it was 40 before
therefore before 8.2 it wasn't worth it over haste gems
but now it is
very worth it
warm plinth
I was just clarifying that it was gems you were talking about.
topaz fable
Alrighty, thanks. I thought so.
sick sentinel
what minor are we using
lusty grotto
lucid
exotic spoke
Where does an equal level diamond place compared to new shit - likesay bloodthirsty urchin for survivability
hushed whale
do we know if emissary hp is affected by fortified?
warm plinth
I mean, diamond isn't even on the trinket list on the guide so I'm guessing not well @exotic spoke lol
lusty grotto
hmm urchin def looks interesting
@hushed whale no
only by key level iirc
it wouldn't right if they were
modern brook
@warm plinth I'd assume thats just casue of lack of scaling, no? 🐒 me monkey man :^) 🐒
lusty grotto
fortified void emmisary without LoS might be yikers
warm plinth
I mean, the list is based on equal ilevel so
lusty grotto
lmao
modern brook
lemme save u some time
sand egret
tbh my gut is that urchin will outweigh diamond as urchin should work better with our mitigation than just a top-level absorb
modern brook
🤷
modern brook
AHHH thats why we're friends
modern brook
☢
exotic spoke
@warm plinth I think it was removed cause it would have to Titan forge like a mother tucker to be viable.
Consider it was above howler previously
modern brook
@fierce juniper any input on mother tucking titan forged diamonds for survivability compared to other trinkets?
warm plinth
Hmm
sand egret
at equal ilvl id take urchin over diamond
lusty grotto
Lord Merek: fuk u meng
modern brook
:^(
sand egret
reverse stagger > flat top-end shield imho
modern brook
how does urchin interact with IP?
exotic spoke
I mean it’s why I’m asking. If it’s not second I’m not going for it
Very well
warm plinth
I'm sure it would be damage after absorbs (e.g. damage actually taken), so not really sure if you'd consider that to be an interaction lol.
If I'm wrong that would be for the better though
exotic spoke
Urchin is listed above edicts - I know that much
modern brook
At the very least you can probably still use diamonds in pvp on aRms/fury to become unkillable
unless they fixed that too :^(
rough stump
so, uh, is a socketed 435 merektha's better than a socketed 395 rezan's? I'm p sure it isn't?
i just need someone to hold me while i cry
fierce juniper
@modern brook Yeah urchin is slightly better than diamond at the same ilvl
exotic spoke
Would you rate diamond over edicts and punch card?
west galleon
yo how do you get azeroths undying gift essence if you already used reliquaries for the condensed life force?
the item still says combine 18 instead of the 9 for rank 1
exotic spoke
Just trying to see if it’s worth it to try and farm a god tier Titan forge
Also - thanks @fierce juniper
fierce juniper
I'd say diamond and edicts are about the same for survivability. Both are better than overclocked punch card for pure survivability but I wouldn't recommend running two pure absorb/healing trinkets, since the haste from overclocked for example is still good for survivability but also really good for damage and such.
prisma crane
It still amazes me that so many tanks today still feel that that last part is irrelevant
final mist
Many people are casuals who are of the, “Good enough” mentality, which sucks.
prisma crane
survivability is so relatively binary that not looking towards where you can add to throughput is detrimental
fleet axle
@west galleon did you find out ?
inland mesa
is the punchcard red haste better than rezan's?
west galleon
no still confused
strong forum
especially since diamond scales with haste
fierce juniper
@inland mesa yes
prisma crane
its not to much that, but more that they say "my job is to tank" that's it, nothing else, also, had a tank on one of my alts who said his job was to tank, not to interrupt. like WHAT?!?!
inland mesa
ugh now I need a real yellow punchcard D:
strong forum
sometimes im beating our new recruits in damage, but tank dmg is only special olympics right :^)
prisma crane
someone i know got a 450 blue punchcard, what a kick in the pants
exotic spoke
I mean, I don’t believe purely in survivability Krotos. I like using offensive trinkets a lot. Using cyclotronic / other offensive trinkets when possible
But I do like to have the option of two pure survivability trinkets if I need them
lusty grotto
Hey marok did you look at the haste trinket from rustbolt crafting in the guide
modern brook
I think the one time to think about survivability in gear is like right now
prisma crane
sure, but it's pretty rare, particularly with how relatively quickly we get our primary CDs back up
modern brook
when we dont horribly out gear everything blizzard is giving us
as 2ndaries expand we just dont need defensive gear anymore
🤷
inland mesa
does running mechagon again give rank 2 vision, or do you have to do hardmodes?
strong forum
and with us being tanky af
sand egret
Optics is also a part of it. Not everyone is in a position to see the benefits of that extra throughput....but it's very easy to see the benefits of dying vs not
strong forum
just from out kit alone
prisma crane
hardmode is only required for rank 4 @inland mesa
exotic spoke
Again I don’t think Ill need it - but it’s more of a just Incase. I’d rather have it and not need it for whatever reason than notbhave it and need it
wide gate
is mechagon trink good for prot :!
sand egret
Not all tanks are in a position where you can notice the difference between bringing that extra dps gain vs not
prisma crane
@sand egret agreed, but while it's easy to see overhealing, it's hard to see "overtanking"
exotic spoke
If I didn’t die I “overtanked”
prisma crane
more or less, lmao, hence the binary nature of it
exotic spoke
Since I could have lost more survivability and gained more dps
modern brook
i personally calculate every pull so i live with 1 hp every rotation of attacks
sand egret
yeah, and unless you're doing a bunch of reps on prog, it's hard to "see" the benefits of that much more tank damage vs not having it
prisma crane
but that's just tanking, overtanking is probably not using CDs at all, or using them when not necessary, etc
fleet axle
@west galleon ok just changed my spec loot and it now ask 3 reliquary to get the prot essence
west galleon
ohhh loot specialization, i'm stupid didn't think of that lol thank you!
exotic spoke
Krotos, when I did my 17 WM I put urchin and diamond on.
prisma crane
after doing it, did you feel it was necessary?
exotic spoke
But, survivability was needed then. So again, it’s just asking as a hypothetical / what if situation
lusty grotto
@fierce juniper did you check https://www.wowhead.com/item=161416/galvanic-turbo-charger&bonus=1542 from rustbolt crafting? its 420 at the max ilvl and im not sure if it can forge
exotic spoke
Yes. Because WM 17 was ducking hard.
Shit hurt. A lot.
Well k value changes hurt. A lot
prisma crane
it's a really hard question to ask, that's all, since i personally find it difficult to quantify the value that haste brings, i just know it helps a lot
lusty grotto
there's also an on use versa trinket, i suppose since M+ is 430 base they won't be that good anymore
modern brook
Every time i press SB and i have it i thank my haste, tbh
prisma crane
well yea, i mean i know how you can technically quantify it, just mean it's harder to point to "X amount of haste literally saved me here and here" vs an on use trinket with an absorb that was immediately shown to save you
its more just an average dmg intake reduction
exotic spoke
64 minute run or so in WM 17 felt pretty good
prisma crane
vs burst reduction
exotic spoke
For the first time we did anything with emissaries
prisma crane
the new 10+ affix you're referring to?
exotic spoke
Yeah
prisma crane
kk
exotic spoke
This felt pretty good seeing too - even if it was short lived
prisma crane
hell yea why not
exotic spoke
But going forward it’ll probably be punch card with cyclotronic and urchin. Means I can clear some old trinkets out of my bags which will feel good
prisma crane
i just noticed that both of those trinkets you had on were passives right?
exotic spoke
Yes
prisma crane
i never liked passive trinkets when it comes to defensive ones
exotic spoke
Really? I’ve honestly never liked on use survival ones
Give me on use offensive ones though
prisma crane
i know they proc so often it's not really a big deal, but passives are hard to count on
prisma crane
they were worse for us in legion since we never proc'd them unless we were already dead
lusty grotto
here equip a trinket that will only be usable IF YOU GET DOWN TO 10% HP
therefore being useless the entire time you're not at 10% HP
oh i remember
lusty grotto
i hope we can get a good ilvl lion's roar or whatever its called with heroic warfront
sand egret
multistrike, while mechanically annoying, was still cool
west galleon
i loved multistrike
lusty grotto
here comes armor pen
west galleon
sub rogue was mega pog
prisma crane
it's fun if you manage to get a LOT of vers, again, see end of legion
sand egret
?
lusty grotto
lmao
exotic spoke
I miss ARP
sand egret
armor pen honestly was more interesting than vers
lusty grotto
fuck hit and expertise caps 😦
sand egret
yeah, i'm good with that shit
prisma crane
felt so good though when you had good enough gear where you didnt need it on everything
sand egret
"viability" breakpoints are lame as shit
prisma crane
but yea, still stupid
lusty grotto
yeah but then again hit and expertise caps were very RPG-like
they are fucking stupid
but
sand egret
conceptually i can get on board, but in practice not so good
prisma crane
it was the single best way to improve something that is trivial for us today
threat
lusty grotto
that's part of the RPG that WoW has lost (for the better)
sand egret
but only by the nature that you didn't miss
lusty grotto
im surprised griff isn't chiming in
prisma crane
which im ok with
sand egret
so that was less improving and more mitigating our innate failure
lusty grotto
goddamn hit and expertise caps :/
sand egret
which was flawed by design
prisma crane
i swear, why the fuck do so many melee like to stand on the tanks today
its so annoying
at least back then they'd miss like crazy if they did
or get parried
sand egret
they basically gave you 90% of the kit, and part of "gearing" was literally just getting to 100% of your char to be "viable"
prisma crane
but hey more parry is more dodges so more rage, lol
lusty grotto
have them stand in front of riders in ToS to get deleted in high keys lmao 😉
COUGHbullCOUGH
prisma crane
can i add that the warrior nagas in the new raid, the trash, they hit hard AF
lusty grotto
its def funny
cause when they least expect it
the mob cleaves
and then hilarity ensues
sand egret
trash in mecha has tons of rando frontals
prisma crane
oh i have no sympathy, fuck em, i said not to stand on me 50x, doesnt matter
lusty grotto
tbf there are very specific fights where there's no other way
sand egret
and like the best is the dps act all confused as to why they died
prisma crane
but that's the exception, not the rule
sand egret
but those fights it's part of the skill, imho
lusty grotto
true enough
sand egret
i'd rather have that be a mark of good dps, where they optimize their dodge windows for maximum uptime
granted, i feel like that's where casters are now
lusty grotto
casters are kinda great now in keys
im glad but i hope it's sorta balanced
kinda early to tell but still
sand egret
but yeah, watching your melee get flattened by a frontal cleave and look at you like you have 3 heads....priceless
sand egret
bonus points if it had a cast bar
lusty grotto
kill me pls
lusty grotto
hmm
fierce juniper
@lusty grotto So Galvanic Turbo-Charger is essentially the same as Rezan's assuming equal item level. And then you can also get Wind-Up Utility Pylon which is on-use vers, which provides more Vers when it's first popped compared to an equal ilvl Jes', but provides slightly less Vers on average. However, considering it's on a 1.5 min cd instead of 2 like Jes', and that Jes' value is reduced if you hit allies, Wind-Up Pylon is definitely a bit better.
but good luck getting a high ilvl wind-up pylon 🙃
exotic spoke
Truth. I have. 425 version of it and wish I had opened it a couple days later when the Tf cap was raised
strong forum
Big math man
modern brook
🌺
inland wasp
So was there a change to making the Vision of perfection easier to get? cause i just got rank 2 and it was supossed to take WAY more work then kill king mechagon a 2nd time
tulip arch
Nope, rank 2 was always just a blueprint from the king
inland wasp
nice cause that just cut farming this place in half
tulip arch
Rank 3 is just combining 4 weeks worth of drops from him and rank 4 is beating the dungeon in hard mode without anybody in the party dying
inland wasp
right i knew bout thos 2
rank 4 is purely cosmetic tho right? there isnt a benifit to it?
inland wasp
awesome 1 more month of farming Mecha then i can just wait to do hard mord till my guild is ready for it
i also got the 1h weapon off KH is it worth using?? 10 lvl upgrade with socket over Heroic Mace on Grong
warm plinth
Higher ilevel weapon is always worth using
inland wasp
kk i wasnt sure if it was cause of the loss of 2nd ary stats on it
warm plinth
Yeah weapon DPS is the most important stat on a weapon.
inland wasp
i guess 79 crit and 51 mastery isnt worth all that much
and the gem socket makes up for some of that and turns it into haste
prisma crane
well the socket makes up for a ton for sure, but as [Worldcrusher] said, the dps itself is the most important part, which feels weird, but w/e
exotic spoke
Higher Ilvl is always worth it on weapons and shield because weapon damage matters so much - as does block value on the shield
prisma crane
plus you're always running on that K-value treadmill
inland wasp
I knew that Shield its the most important upgrade the weapon o wasnt so sure as our spec isnt centered on it like some tanks
prisma crane
well our IP scales quite a bit from it
exotic spoke
^^
strong forum
Laughs in 440 weapon and 430 shield
inland wasp
True very true.
prisma crane
i went from a 370 to a 415 weapon, IP went up like 10-15% iirc
inland wasp
You cant get the items till next week
exotic spoke
I don’t think the items for rank 3 drop until you have rank 2 for visions
mortal pike
okay
inland wasp
Anyone have a good idea on the punch card trink?? If its worth anything to us??
strong forum
BTW it's confirmed you don't need to do hard mode to get r2 VoP yes?
warm plinth
Yes
strong forum
Good
warm plinth
Hard mode is only required for rank 4
strong forum
So ima speedrun mecha before raid tomorrow
inland wasp
This week was much easier then last only took hour and half and thats causw Doggo rngd us and the healer didnt dispell me fast enough
strong forum
Well..
We only took like 1.25hrs the first time to begin with
Gonna do it this time in like 45min I reckon
inland wasp
yeah if you have like an over geared group shouldnt take much
strong forum
humble brag
inland wasp
also is this trink worth it to use??
warm plinth
I wouldn't use it with those punchcards
inland wasp
those are the best ones ive gotten so far
my other chocies are a 410 Vial, 400 Dimand, or 395 Idol
strong forum
Get cyclontronic blast from mechagon revered red card
warm plinth
Yeah, I'd go with that in the meantime until you can get overclock
And hopefully a better allocated yellow
inland wasp
how do you obtain overclock?
warm plinth
I think it drops from the dungeon? I'm not 100%
tulip arch
Dungeon, or rares on the island too
exotic spoke
Cyclotronic if you need single target burst dps. Overclock if you need survivability
inland wasp
kk good to know
exotic spoke
For the punch card*
And it’s great in pvp too
covert nova
I’m assuming even with vision being hotfixed today it is still our best essence?
exotic spoke
Yes
prisma crane
hotfixed how?
exotic spoke
Yes
inland wasp
yeah how was it fixed?
exotic spoke
It gave us double the cooldown reduction
strong forum
I'm still gonna use CoF cuz im a parse whore now
prisma crane
ahh
tulip arch
It was reducing the cooldown of Avatar by 30ish %
inland wasp
i did notice like a 60-75% up time
strong forum
Well that's how it's supposed to be
inland wasp
ive been showing it to my guild and they just are in awe of how broken it is
warm plinth
Mwahi said he's pretty sure that it was simming with the correct CDR, not the bugged CDR so sims should already have been correct. FYI
inland wasp
any other notable loot out of Mechagon i should look/roll for
warm plinth
Uhhh, if you can get the ring set at a good ilevel, that'd be worth it
But they'd both have to forge to last long
inland wasp
kk what bout that shield of Trixie and Naeno? that any good
warm plinth
If it's higher than your shield, it's worth going for
warm plinth
I'm not really sure what the effect is worth, if anything so it's hard to say.
inland wasp
the proc seems kinda intersting for us
warm plinth
The absorb is the only noteworthy part of the effect and iirc it's pretty small.
inland wasp
its only a 10k absorb...so im guessin not much
warm plinth
Yeah and it only has a 1ppm proc rate
inland wasp
was just wondering but if it triggers that low...theres really no way to like time it for a magical attack
warm plinth
Nah and the damage is basically nothing since the absorb is gonna break in 1 hit
inland wasp
right...ok i gues if i get it and it forges ill use it otherwise its a kool transmog piece
warm plinth
Guess so haha
inland wasp
i need to coin that boss anyways has the haste yellow card
mystic whale
anyone know if the plans for rank2 vision of perfection has a 100% drop from king mechagon ?
inland wasp
as long as you have rank 1 yes
mystic whale
ok cool, was not looking forward getting my hopes crushed every week
so its 6 runs total and you should have everything right ?
unless the rank3 mats arent 100% drop
inland wasp
7 if you want rank 4 but yeah 6 for 3
mystic whale
is legendary version just running the whole thing without any deaths or its all hardmodes no deaths ?
warm plinth
All hard modes and no deaths
mystic whale
ok yeah good luck getting that first try with your 7th lol
inland wasp
for real no deaths? i didnt read that any where
mystic whale
ah maybe thats only for the achievement
inland wasp
i just saw kill mechagon hard mode
warm plinth
Yeah, you get it from the Hertz Locker achievement afaik
Which requires a deathless hard mode run
warm plinth
Later in the tier it shouldn't be too bad to do that though
inland wasp
whats it even do cosmeticly?
warm plinth
Makes you glowy I think
inland wasp
....really.....
warm plinth
I mean that's all most of them really do. It's just a more sparkly or more shiny appearance
exotic spoke
Vision? Makes you a golden god I think
inland wasp
cause we dont have enough crap going on on our screens
mystic whale
its this expac's version of mage tower flexin
exotic spoke
I’d rather be constantly gold over grayscale
warm plinth
Same
exotic spoke
With a flail
inland wasp
you know how little i actually look at my character
mystic whale
while we're on the topic of visions
exotic spoke
No, and it’s not about that. It’s about making other people look at you
mystic whale
can vision trigger while you're already in Avatar and is it wasted or it only add to the timer ?
inland wasp
dont get me wrong i have the mage tower look but for god's
exotic spoke
Basking in your glory - the glory that is Avatar
warm plinth
It extends Avatar
inland wasp
it can it extends the timer
mystic whale
cool beans
exotic spoke
@mystic whale yes it can trigger and if it does it extends
warm plinth
And it's actually better if it procs during Avatar because you get the full Bastion buff instead of the reduced one.
inland wasp
yeah cause the only person ever seeing that is my OT
mystic whale
thanks
inland wasp
whoes a bear so his mage tower looks amazing
sand egret
DAMN STRAIGHT
mystic whale
Bearilla
warm plinth
There were some specs that I never played before that I only did because I wanted their mage tower just in case
mystic whale
havent seen a lot
inland wasp
ill just look like a giant stone Dark Iron and be ok with it as i pull all the agro from him with out trying
mystic whale
then again, guardian druids, KEK
warm plinth
Like shattered ashbringer
undone sun
🤔
warm plinth
Guardians are legit man
undone sun
definitely not terrible
sand egret
i dunno, that movie was kinda bad
inland wasp
no if the bear tank knows how to play they are quite good
mine knows how to bear tank so i like having him at my OT
warm plinth
If you don't know how to play a bear, I'm not sure this is the game for you XD
It's not exactly a complex spec
inland wasp
well....play a bear well hows that
sand egret
well, tbf no tank is really complex haha
warm plinth
Nah but I mean, the only tank that's easier to play than a druid is a monk. And the only reason is because druids have gore procs.
timber nest
is method dungeon tools updated for 8.2 anywhere?
warm plinth
Uh, the twitch client?
sand egret
i mean, you could be reductive about most tanks tbh
warm plinth
I'm not being intentionally reductive. I'm just saying that it's simpler to play.
timber nest
@warm plinth my MDT still has reaping and the %'s are off
inland wasp
does the Pocket sized trink not work with macros?
sand egret
no more than warrior imho
timber nest
release type set to alpha too
warm plinth
How is it not simpler than a warrior objectively?
warm plinth
Just to clarify here, I'm not saying we're badasses or somehow superior because we have more buttons to press. That was not my intention.
I'm just saying it's a simpler spec.
modern brook
????
sand egret
procs, so far, is the only thing you've alluded to
warm plinth
Because they have less cooldowns to manage, they manage them less frequently, and they're less impactful to their overall performance.
modern brook
Big foot
warm plinth
If a warrior doesn't use Demo Shout or Avatar on CD, you notice because their damage and survivability suffers incredibly.
exotic spoke
Because my old cotank could play it with some measure of what could be considered approaching successful when he couldn’t play other classes
warm plinth
Idk, blade is taking it personally because I said guardians are simpler to play than prot warriors I guess lol
modern brook
But not for the reasons being discussed
sick sentinel
Okay
modern brook
Warrior requires a knowledge of damage intake to even pretend to start mitigating damage
sand egret
tis what pooling is
sick sentinel
Playing bear and playing prot warr is a different playstyle
exotic spoke
We do?
lucid bough
Vision of Perfection (Essence) no longer grants Protection Warriors twice the intended amount of cooldown reduction for Avatar when placed in the Minor Slot.
was this a problem? i didnt notice lol
modern brook
The fact that I dont have to have a spread sheet of what I can use my main defensive skill for when I play bear is reason enough
warm plinth
Yeah, we had a 63 second CD on Avatar with Vision prior to the fix @lucid bough
exotic spoke
Yes @lucid bough
sand egret
you need a spreadsheet?
warm plinth
Should have been like 76 or something like that.
analog swift
ignorepain/spell reflect
lusty grotto
cool thanks @fierce juniper
modern brook
Shieldblock*
lucid bough
@warm plinth but only if the essence was in the minor slot? not on the major r?
analog swift
nah majori
modern brook
All physical damage is mit by armor
warm plinth
It was the minor essence's effect
sick sentinel
Guardian is complex in a different way
analog swift
yeah whoops
warm plinth
So I don't think it actually mattered
lucid bough
oh ok
modern brook
Not all physical damage is not by block 🤷
sand egret
yes, but how they use armor is different
analog swift
@warm plinth if it's in your major you get the minor aswell
warm plinth
I'm aware
inland wasp
the nerf did nothing cause no one was using it for minior slot as prot
sand egret
one layers, which requries forethought
warm plinth
He asked if it was only bugged if you had it in the major slot.
sick sentinel
Guardian can catweave/offheal when not actively tanking
lusty grotto
uhhhh
analog swift
so it did matter
lusty grotto
everyone was using it as a minor
analog swift
OH
sand egret
not even getting into weaving but that's a good point
warm plinth
Major slot is a minor slot as well.
modern brook
@sand egret I'm not talking from an optimization stand point
inland wasp
ohhhh i miss understood
modern brook
I'm talking monkeys first tank
inland wasp
no wonder that thing is fucking busted
modern brook
If u hop on warrior, using your shit is way more confusing than on bear
lusty grotto
🐵
sick sentinel
You can get into guardian faster than on prot war
lusty grotto
👢 🍵 👏
modern brook
Yeah
warm plinth
Idk, this argument really isn't worth it to me tbh. My opinion is that guardians and monks are simpler. If you don't agree, cool.
modern brook
Thay at least to me is a metric of complexoty
sick sentinel
It's easier to explain
sand egret
the floor is lower
lusty grotto
ahem
sick sentinel
We're not talking about skill ceiling
undone sun
difficulty is subjective 😄
sand egret
(not much lower) but I agree it's lower
undone sun
👏
lusty grotto
on prime day
inland wasp
i bought D&D books for a penny a page at BAM....it was gloryius
exotic spoke
How does your bank account feel Nim
sand egret
well, depends on if his goal was to buy 5....
lusty grotto
my bank account is panting until next friday
warm plinth
I tried to buy a TV and then the price changed when I went to check out even though it still had like a day left on its deal. So I ended up buying a TV from Best Buy instead.
modern brook
@sick sentinel do you think, as gear goes up and affixes become less asshole than they were for first week of the season that we will be pulling into emissaries more often?
lucid bough
Azshara's Font of Power for prot, damage wise is crap too right?
lusty grotto
are TCL's any good? i've heard good things
warm plinth
Idk it's one of the new underdog brands I think. It has good reviews though
exotic spoke
About the only emissary I can see that happening with is the void emissary
lusty grotto
cause obviously not into void
warm plinth
I don't think we'll ever pull into tides in the future that we wouldn't pull into now.
lusty grotto
wait what
warm plinth
Void is the one that makes the most sense to pull into
exotic spoke
Because even on mostpacks you’ll want to kick shit
lusty grotto
its a static %
sick sentinel
Why pull into tides
lusty grotto
why not
sick sentinel
Just spam root it
exotic spoke
@lusty grotto because you cleave off of her and pop big defensives
No you can’t
Stun is a CC
lusty grotto
well look
warm plinth
Tides is the anti-Cc/interrupt emissary
exotic spoke
Kick counts as a CC
lusty grotto
we had tides on stuff that didn't cast
sick sentinel
Yeah if there isn't something to be interrupted just pull stuff yeah
exotic spoke
What level?
warm plinth
Well yeah, that's why I said if it's a pack we wouldn't pull with tides NOW, we won't in the future either.
lusty grotto
we did 13s yesterday
warm plinth
Because it's still a dangerous pack
lucid bough
https://www.wowhead.com/item=169314/azsharas-font-of-power?ilvl=400 shit for prot too right? damage wise I mean
lusty grotto
i mean non-fort week
warm plinth
Like a good example is the 3 pack to the left on AD this week
You can pull that pack with the emsisary and it's nothing
lusty grotto
with gear, it'll be possible honestly
warm plinth
Because they don't do anything dangerous
But I wouldn't pull a skyscreamer pack with a tides emissary because then your ass is getting feared all over the place
lusty grotto
btw i found that ML was absolutely easy
so was UR
grievous galvazzt on ToS though... YIKERS
warm plinth
We had forgotten about the double spawn on Azerokk
Surprised us a bit lol
or w/e his name is. 2nd ML boss
warm plinth
The only kind of annoying pack in ML this week was the double earthshapers before 2nd boss
sand egret
well considering the hardest part about that boss was not falling asleep during it....prob a good move to spice up Azerokk
sand egret
i can't see how it's that much worse
sick sentinel
What double spawn
warm plinth
Idk, we actually wiped on it a few times
sand egret
but at least it's prob somewhat more interesting
lusty grotto
he spawns 2 adds now instead of one
warm plinth
He spawns 2 earthragers at once instead of one
lusty grotto
🏎
sick sentinel
Lmao
warm plinth
But we only had one add banished and they hit fucking hard, so we got trucked the first few pulls
warm plinth
Just bad coordination I guess
exotic spoke
Either way - I’d pull shit onto the void before the other emissaries
sand egret
yeah make the add management more of a focus
warm plinth
The other weird thing though was that the first spawn happened super early in the fight
sick sentinel
You can eat 3 casts from void
warm plinth
But he didn't try to do another spawn until 3 minutes in
lusty grotto
his HP is just absolutely fucking ridiculous on tyrannical
sand egret
right now it's just "deal with some adds" and "enjoy this meatbag"
warm plinth
Like first spawn was maybe 20 seconds after pull
Then as we killed him at like 3:03, he was mid-cast of the 2nd spawn
lusty grotto
i dont even know if it's higher than the other bosses, it just feels like it cause you're just not doing anything in that fight after adds are dead
warm plinth
Yeah the adds had 1.3 mil on a +12 fort so I'm not thrilled to fight him on tyr
sand egret
i dunno even tree boi in WCM is basically a tank and spank and doesn't feel as bad
lusty grotto
hmm we only had 1 set of adds
sand egret
maybe it's because tree boi can hit hard
warm plinth
Well you maybe killed him faster?
lusty grotto
nothing else spawned after
warm plinth
He didn't try to spawn more until he was dying. We killed him before the second spawn went off
And that was 3 mins into the fight
So if you killed him faster than that, you wouldn't have seen him try to spawn more
warm plinth
It was hard for us only because we struggled pretty badly to control/kill the first 4, so we had the extra 2 spawn like right after the first 4 were dead
lusty grotto
they should honestly do something like
killing the adds near him damages him
but stagger add spawns
so instead of 4 at the start
you get sets of 2
then you just manage adds
don't get stunned
warm plinth
We skipped the pack before him so we couldn't get over to the totem things to lock down any of them, so we just had one that was banished by the lock
lusty grotto
don't get hit by bleeds etc
hmm i pulled that pack
easy with bolster cause the rest get the defense buff
so i never move the taskmaster or whatever out
just need to interrupt
warm plinth
Pretty sure we just skipped because we had too much %
lusty grotto
ohhh
warm plinth
We killed a lot in the first part of the dungeon
Killed one mastermind after the mine cart and then death skipped the rest of the way
lusty grotto
i see
crude glen
Does vision of perfection rank 2 blueprint only drop from hardmode?
lusty grotto
we dont know
exotic spoke
No it doesn’t
lusty grotto
its possible it will not require hard mode
exotic spoke
Someone got it and didn’t do hardmode
surreal musk
hola, alguien habla español?
rotund sluice
is the blueprint 100% drop chance?
exotic spoke
We don’t know burt. I didn’t think so - but maybe it changed
rotund sluice
after not seeing it at all last week i just assumed there was some hidden conditional that u needed to learn rank 1 before being eligible to loot the blueprint... but who knows
crude glen
Rank 1 makes sense, but for those that cleared the dungeon first week and have rank 1 already, is it guaranteed?
rotund sluice
sounds like nothing is confirmed yet. did anyone manage to do a perfect run last week? can you skip to rank 4?
exotic spoke
@surreal musk nimchip Habla español.
lusty grotto
👋
exotic spoke
Sorry to volunteer you nim
lusty grotto
Cual es tu pregunta @surreal musk
shut summit
Afaik you get the blueprint after having r1
warm plinth
@rotund sluice You cannot skip to rank 4. Blizzard stated that you have to have rank 3 to get rank 4. However, some rank 4 prerequisites can be completed to unlock it beforehand.
shut summit
Every1 in our group got it/ another group all got the blueprint as well
exotic spoke
I was hoping you could Burt. But before it came out I saw that you couldn’t skip it
warm plinth
So how I understand it, is that you could do the Hertz Locker achievement and once you get rank 3, rank 4 will unlock automatically.
rotund sluice
thanks for the clarification @warm plinth what happens if you do a perfect run before you get rank 3? do you get some type of achievement that opens up rank 4 after having the rank 3 prereq?
exotic spoke
Let me rephrase.
You can earn rank 4 - but you can’t use rank 4 until you have rank 3
surreal musk
Does the protection warrior serve more for raids or for dungeons?
rotund sluice
nvm, u just answered it lol
warm plinth
You're good lol. But yeah I would think once is enough, so you can theoretically earn rank 4 in 6 runs, one of which is a deathless hard mode run.
rotund sluice
does hertz achievement have to be done on hardmode?
warm plinth
Yes
exotic spoke
Yes
rotund sluice
oh god
warm plinth
Tbh it would be way too easy if it weren't a requirement to do it on hard mode lol
warm plinth
Especially once people are 430-440 gear level
rotund sluice
@surreal musk think most would agree that prot warrior does well in both raids and dungeons. probably not as dominant in dungeons as they were in 8.1 but still very good
the last boss took a lot of practice for my group last week in hardmode, granted we hadn't geared up yet
lusty grotto
Los dos @surreal musk
native mantle
guys, i want to start tanking mythic+ but i jsut tried a few and im taking insane damage. Does anyone have any idea where I should start to find out why i take so much damage? I assume it's bad CD usage because I try to keep up my IP an shield block up as much as possible but I believe I might just be doing something wrong with timings. Any advice?
surreal musk
and which is dominant in 8.2?
warm plinth
What key level are you trying to do, first of all?
native mantle
10/ 11
prisma crane
@native mantle start with SB and LS usage
rotund sluice
@native mantle i wouldn't worry about IP uptime as much as block uptime
warm plinth
What ilevel is your shield?
native mantle
385
exotic spoke
That’s why
warm plinth
Well, that's not helping.
marble cipher
@native mantle SB is more important than IP though, outside of certain magic heavy situations
native mantle
around 410 overall
marble cipher
Oh, yeah, that shield 😉
exotic spoke
Or at least a significant portion of why
native mantle
is the shield that important?
prisma crane
quite
warm plinth
Yes
native mantle
holy shit
marble cipher
Most
native mantle
i'll find a better one i guess
warm plinth
We're not saying that's the only problem. Play may come into it as well.
native mantle
of course it's not :D im well aware im fucking up wiht my defensive abilities
native mantle
tried UR and temple of snek
marble cipher
Spam some atal +6 keys or something, good shield there, and 6 is 415 iirc
native mantle
ye, i will
probably on the weekend. I main fury but I want to push 15s for weekly residuum
but I can barely get in a group because of my low score as a DPS
exotic spoke
That’s the easiest thing to fix.
I’d check your talents and make sure you’re using your defensives properly
native mantle
Talents I cehcked should be fine at least by the guides I read
I'm pretty certain i'm just not rotating my defensives properly
warm plinth
I imagine you're going to need at least a 430 shield to not feel like you're getting your shit pushed in on a 15 at this gear level.
exotic spoke
Which guide?
native mantle
aha
rotund sluice
in general since ur just starting out i'd try and focus on shield block & last stand usage to try and keep your block uptime at near 100% when fighting packs. IP should be an afterthought when you just start out and only used when you're rage capped and won't miss a shield block
warm plinth
🙃
exotic spoke
Use icy veins
native mantle
gonna go through it now
prisma crane
well talent wise that guide isnt wrong
exotic spoke
Eh, a 415s fine
native mantle
what is LS by the way
exotic spoke
Correct Krotos. But icy veins is more defensively oriented and that’s what he needs right now
warm plinth
Last Stand
exotic spoke
Last stand
native mantle
oh
okay so for starters I need to get a better shield, check out the guide and focus on SB and LS usage?
prisma crane
i mean the IV is also up to date now as well, but talents alone, both work
warm plinth
Check out the guide, and if you have questions, ask
warm plinth
But yeah getting a better shield should be a priority
Even my 397 prot war has a higher shield than that 😄
warm plinth
yeah, our defensive capabilities are basically measured by proper play and shield ilevel (specifically, block rating)
undone sun
because block rating is only obtained through shield
rotund sluice
since they updated the base difficulty a lot of tanks are getting hit really hard so definitely always good to find ways to play better or get gear upgrades but you're not alone in feeling squishy right now
sand egret
and a can-do attitude
warm plinth
There have been a couple of pulls we did this week with a DK tank and they just got fucking melted
It was funny/not funny at the same time
rotund sluice
did a couple 14/15s last week and was a clencher for sure. on my DK I was only doing 11s/12s and practically had a heart attack
obtuse venture
sand egret
lot harder to skirt by on your gear early in the patch cycles
rotund sluice
doing 50k+ hps on a BDK is pretty comical tho
warm plinth
Idk man, a guy earlier had a 450 socketed one with indestructible
So you hit like 2nd place in the lottery
sand egret
yeh he won todau
warm plinth
Still pretty good though
sand egret
yes
warm plinth
Yeah, very low
sand egret
unless you at like 350....
warm plinth
Running Dragon Roar 😉
warm plinth
Do you think that a lot of thought went into the winky face emoji? Like do you think there was a heated debate on the design team over which eye should be winked?
Or is it wunk?
😂
I'm sorry, I'm bored at work.
native mantle
do i have anything that lowers my LS cooldown?
sand egret
wanked* and its the left eye
warm plinth
The Bolster talent and Anger Management talent
native mantle
aha
obtuse venture
What do you guys think about this trinket? is it better than my mechagon punch card with the haste proc?
sand egret
since that is the part of your brain associated with creative thought (aka lying)
warm plinth
On average you should have like a 75 second CD on Last Stand if you're playing properly. Maybe a little lower than that now with Lucid and VoP
native mantle
thanks a lot guys, in the few minutes i talked to you i found out so much shit that is wrong :D
warm plinth
That trinket is absolute shit.
A 2 minute CD with a stupidly small absorb that procs at a stupidly low amount of health.
obtuse venture
yea i kinda suspected. maybe ill keep it in case bliz buff it
sand egret
its...not very strong for pve thats for sure
sick sentinel
As a tank u probalbly don't go under 25% health every 2 minutes so thw trinket is crap
rotund sluice
@native mantle if you can manage to run 3x BoM (azerite trait) it'll give you almost another defensive cooldown with super high block mastery
native mantle
I got 2 BOM
rotund sluice
during avatar procs along wtih VoP essence should be up quite a bit
sand egret
(also will boost your overall)
cinder pasture
I lost my third BoM yesterday when I got the chest from first boss hc 😢
exotic spoke
That’s a RIP
native mantle
going a quick ad 5 now
warm plinth
I think you should stick to puns
exotic spoke
No a it’s only feelsbadman or feelsbadmanwithagun
exotic spoke
Stop. Please for the love of god just stop blade
sand egret
😞
sick sentinel
Yeah stop it please Blade
sick sentinel
Oof
obtuse venture
did you guys buy an azerite piece today or save for the mythic token?
exotic spoke
I.... I must find blade./..... and put an end to this
sick sentinel
Myrhic token
exotic spoke
How much are random 430s?
warm plinth
17something I think?
sick sentinel
Something about 9k?
warm plinth
Or no, that's not right
sick sentinel
To much, just go for thw onws in azsharas palace
exotic spoke
Yeah, I’ll just save up for random 445 then. I’ll get a piece next week
warm plinth
Yeah it's 9000
exotic spoke
And then the other in 2 weeks after that
sick sentinel
Izs over 9000!!!
sand egret
that's a DBZ reference
sick sentinel
Maybe
warm plinth
And idk who was asking earlier but a 430 scrapped piece is 2k and 445 is 10k
sand egret
i got that one
warm plinth
Do you want me to tell you how you can recognize anything from Dragonball Z Blade?
sand egret
3 episodes of yelling?
warm plinth
lol, I was gonna say if there's a guy floating in mid air screaming, it's DBZ
sick sentinel
Are yoi shure? I think a 430 was 9k and something and a 445 was 21k+
exotic spoke
No way a 445 is 21k. I’d be able to get a piece a week
sick sentinel
Oh okay, yeah
sand egret
oooo chest time.
drum roll
warm plinth
You were right about the 9k for 430s though
obtuse venture
glgl
warm plinth
I was mistaken
exotic spoke
GL on your chest of disappointment
sand egret
445 weapon
warm plinth
inb4 450 socketed shield with indestructible
sand egret
L O L
exotic spoke
Seriously?
obtuse venture
nice nice
sand egret
was not expecting this
oblique garnet
bear
sand egret
😃
warm plinth
Don't get us pumped like that you furry
exotic spoke
Fucking grats for your dr00d
sick sentinel
If you luckY u got 450 titanforge weapon in M0
exotic spoke
Yeah - no. That can’t happen
sand egret
I only got time to work on one char this patch....so 8.2 is my drood
warm plinth
Weapons and shields can only forge 10 levels so that's impossible :p
exotic spoke
I feel it too late. We will be miserable together
warm plinth
I think someone earlier got a 440 sporepods
sick sentinel
Got 450 boots from mechagon
sand egret
Borepods best pods
warm plinth
Anything else can forge to the ilevel cap. Weapons and shields can't titanforge though.
Only warforge
sand egret
hold up....the M+ essence shit is tied to your lootspec...!?!
sick sentinel
Yeah u right
exotic spoke
F
warm plinth
Wait what?
sand egret
god dammit
warm plinth
The Focused Life anima shit?
sand egret
i opened it in DPS spec, so the anima currency is for the DPS essence
not the tank one
warm plinth
F
sick sentinel
Yeah it is
warm plinth
But like
sick sentinel
But the game is asking you aboit your lootapecc
sand egret
i was in feral
warm plinth
Gotcha
sand egret
so i got the dps shit, but same applies (since I sit in Fury for the dps trinkts)
so uh...don't be me
warm plinth
I'm waiting for them to add a confirmation box on the cache: "are you sure you're in the right spec?"
warm plinth
Just make the cast bar cover half the screen and have your current loot spec in it. FURY
sand egret
oh well, can't complain since I got the weapon
warm plinth
Yeah, is anima something you really want as guardian?
sand egret
big ol hp pool (more damage), benefits from Mastery, etc.
yeah I have that, but just another week out for the rank 3
warm plinth
Yeah I would be bummed too
I always open in tank spec and just hope Blizz is gentle with me
sand egret
it's not like I've got a raid that cares if i'm geared or what not so it's really just on me ¯_(ツ)_/¯
lusty grotto
inc bracers boys
im opening on tank spec even though i got 1 hander and shield on heroic EP
sand egret
hold up
lusty grotto
here it comesss
sand egret
i dont think the essence matters
sand egret
lusty grotto
THE DREAM BOYS
sand egret
last line makes me believe it's spec-agnostic
eyyyy
we Titanforge bois this week my dude
warm plinth
Holy shit
exotic spoke
Grats nim
sand egret
🖐
warm plinth
Yeah Blade, that looks like the currency is used for any/all of the essences and the item won't be determined until you use it based on your spec at that time.
sand egret
phew
obtuse venture
nice nice
exotic spoke
Nah Nim. You used up all your luck
sand egret
is it?
exotic spoke
Legit though. If I get a shield I’ll put 250 on a hand of blackjack or roulette or some shit
sand egret
well this seems pretty customary. in season 1 I got a shield first pull....didn't get a good one until like the 3rd week until the end of the season after that
lusty grotto
willing to bet im gonna get bracers 2 weeks in a row now
warm plinth
Yeah I'm pretty sure weekly cache items are always forged of some kind.
lusty grotto
yeah they are
warm plinth
"titanforged" on a cache item is 5 levels higher than base
Which is the only way you can get a titanforged weapon. Since it's not technically titanforged.
warm plinth
Oh is it not warforged for base?
lusty grotto
so only 5 ilvls higher
warm plinth
Because that's 10 ilevel higher than dungeon loot so I assumed warforged for 440s and titanforged for anything higher
lusty grotto
its always 5 ilvl lower than mythic raids though
warm plinth
Yeah
lusty grotto
so it tf'd to mythic raid lvls
warm plinth
Yeah so if it's 440 it's warforged. My plume shows mythic 10 warforged:
lusty grotto
rip plume
lusty grotto
its good for DH right?
warm plinth
But it replaced a 400 plume so I'm good
Yeah
I got a 430 spyglass the other day from a 12 TD too which is another great trinket lol
Now that was a titanforge
😄
lusty grotto
nice
warm plinth
Actually my prot pally did get a titanforge but it was 430 because he only did a 6 :/