How much dps do you gain by swapping?
#protection
exotic spoke
sand egret
understanding the full rotation (including Dev existing as a filler) is more conducive to learning proper play than would a build that fundamentally truncates the rotation.
sturdy void
I haven't simmed but last time I checked its like 2kish
sand egret
so from that PoV, it's still better
exotic spoke
You should sim. With perfection and BV I’d be honestly curious about the difference.
70%+ avatar uptime and more rage means more Demo shouts. I’m not saying BV will do more dps than devastator - but I bet it’s closer than what it used to be
lusty grotto
ok good
exotic spoke
No he’s talking raid. K value still went up for raid
turbid wing
how can I check spell reflect dmg in logs? I read it should be somewhere in dmg taken correct?
sand egret
it's technically damage sourced from the mob
strong forum
But deva is pure ST, it has less defensive value than BV that's just a fact
Thats all there is to it
lusty grotto
the amount of people pushing for CE thinking they are the next Method/Limit/whatever in here is minimal, therefore the rage gained by BV is better defensively
strong forum
Nothing more nothing less
sturdy void
Not Pure ST
undone sun
hmmm
lusty grotto
<@&257983573498265600> cough
sturdy void
Like 1 or 2 boss deva is #1 and maybe 3 deva
strong forum
On what
stray wedge
hello
strong forum
It's parsing
oblique garnet
🤔
lusty grotto
macro have you heard of parsemonger
undone sun
yes
lusty grotto
the ban evader?
undone sun
he has
stray wedge
probably but i don't remember
undone sun
he's a known entity in DG as well
warm plinth
How is it not pure ST? Devastator literally only adds damage to one target. BV adds damage to all targets. Top parse of a pure ST fight got 8.1% of their damage from Devastator. Same fight, top parse with BV got 51.1% uptime on Demo which averages out to a 7.55% increase in damage over the fight on one target. Add a target and you're increasing damage by 7.55% on two targets. I'm not a math genius so I may be figuring it wrong but that seems like BV would win.
undone sun
it's abrodus @stray wedge
final mist
100%. Also it's taken care of, go back to your regularly scheduled discussions, lads.
strong forum
Pog
exotic spoke
F in the chat
undone sun
regularly scheduled off topic
warm plinth
Two mods in chat at once boys. It's like a double rainbow.
undone sun
😮
oblique garnet
Keep it on topic folks 8)
strong forum
I remember clippers always talking mad shit
sand egret
Sal''s pfp looks like that Marok triggered emote
undone sun
catching macro while he's not working is like a pot of gold
stray wedge
i have the whole week off
undone sun
😮
stray wedge
so you all better behave
sand egret
but macro's pfp is adorable
undone sun
damn
warm plinth
AND we had Sal in here for a reason other than telling us to stay on topic
Which is like another pot of gold
exotic spoke
Would a panda ever misbehave @stray wedge
stray wedge
warm plinth
I am now curious if my math is at all correct though or if that's even how it would be figured.
sick sentinel
so
warm plinth
Because I r smurt
undone sun
taking a week off, that doesn't sound like you macro
sick sentinel
I got 6 stacks
undone sun
the same macro to always take overtime
stray wedge
@warm plinth what maths - the stuff you said just now about devastator?
undone sun
better than my maths @warm plinth
stray wedge
but that's not really true is it? like you have more gcds that you can fill with things other than devastate, if you have devastator
warm plinth
Do you though? You only cast Devastate when you have nothing else to cast anyway.
stray wedge
(not that that necessarily means any particular talent is better than the other, obviously; but it's something to account for when thinking about stuff in those terms)
even so, though
firstly
undone sun
right, because of devastate being the filler, it's not like it's GCD locked right
stray wedge
how many 'devastates' per second do you get with devastator (i.e. how many autoattacks per second)
how many 'devastates' do you get without it (i.e. how many times do you cast devastate per second on average)
and
do all your abiliites (other than devastate) stay on cd all the time? no
because sometimes e.g. tclap and sslam will come off cd at the same time
and you have to forego a gcd on one to use the other
that happens less often when you have the devastator talent
stray wedge
Stuff like this is why it's really quite difficult to just figure out which is best for DPS
It's why people use simulators
feelsbadman
warm plinth
Computers win. We lose. Beginning of the end.
stray wedge
@crystal spire sims when
sand egret
don't SS and TC have the same base CD?
undone sun
🐱
stray wedge
but you still have resets and stuff like that
oblique garnet
If you take into consideration the increased uptime on avatar > more rage gained which also increases demoshouts uptime etc
stray wedge
it's something to take into account
oblique garnet
With VoP and lucid etc
stray wedge
the point is - there are lots of other things to accoutn for :P
stray wedge
reeee
oblique garnet
Yes
sand egret
boom
primal crypt
why is this shield so dudu
warm plinth
primal crypt
it doesn't proc 😦
warm plinth
Because we wouldn't want you to have a 10k absorb more than once every 10 minutes. Too OP
primal crypt
it's so dudu
oblique garnet
Also macrologia prot should have working sims thanks to @ionic fern
sand egret
yeah dude is a beast
stray wedge
undone sun
Mwahi and melekus
warm plinth
Mwahi is a hero
primal crypt
wait a minute what??
sand egret
and mele is a beast
primal crypt
we have sims????
undone sun
yes
stray wedge
sims for dps
undone sun
for a while now
warm plinth
We have had sims for a while
warm plinth
And they're mostly updated for 8.2 as well. Think we might be waiting on some active essences to be in there
primal crypt
so we can raidbots ourselves?
final mist
More or less, yeah.
stray wedge
well in particular
exotic spoke
Psch. - you don’t have an active essence if you use perfection
final mist
Reminder that sims are purely for DPS.
warm plinth
True story
oblique garnet
Now what i dont know if the sims take into account when simming VoP the tooltip value of the base avatar cdr or how its currently working in game
stray wedge
is the default APL, a good single target DPS APL, or not
sand egret
that moment when Yam's IRL face matches his PFP when he finds out we can Sim
exotic spoke
true. 63 second Cd seems like it could be a bug
primal crypt
lmaoooo
analog swift
@oblique garnet im wondering that as well
oblique garnet
Basically whats causing is that the value is doubled
primal crypt
I missed you guys 😄
exotic spoke
Yes
sand egret
moral support
undone sun
as usual
sand egret
fantastic pep talks, tbh
undone sun
basically yeah
oblique garnet
@ionic fern can you confirm with what values is the raidbots simming VoP?
primal crypt
Thanks @ionic fern ❤
undone sun
we pinging @ionic fern now?
primal crypt
You're the true MVP
oblique garnet
Actually not on pc so cant ehen check
warm plinth
Pinging the bejesus out of that poor man
stray wedge
good job tho
sand egret
ah, fuck it. @ionic fern ❤
final mist
@ionic fern I'm gonna tell them to stop pinging you
primal crypt
@ionic fern we apologize
undone sun
@ionic fern don't listen to sal's lies
primal crypt
xD
sand egret
that's alternate Sal, if I've learned anything from video games it's that Red = Bad
undone sun
strong forum
Hey im not bad
undone sun
old sal avater
lusty grotto
sweet got legs
oblique garnet
On a completely unrelated note, anyone know whats causing the laggs on azhara?
sand egret
lag or fps drops?
sand egret
^ prob this
lusty grotto
small indie studio
warm plinth
Oh good we're back to latency vs. framerate @sand egret 😂
sand egret
full circle haha
warm plinth
#protection always comes full circle
oblique garnet
Fps drops and lag
undone sun
Thyme is a flat circle
warm plinth
When's the keybinding discussion? I got my screenshot ready.
hardy holly
guys some of you has trajectory analisys punchcard?
oblique garnet
Like actually spells being delayed and fps dropping to 5–10
warm plinth
I have it on my DH, why Vraestin
lusty grotto
dunno EP is running fine on this end
strong forum
I don't remember any fps issues, but I can hardly pay attention to framrate unless it's literally below 30 in raid
oblique garnet
On pull and throughout the fight
lusty grotto
its raining 430s in nimchipland
sand egret
you could be on an instance server that was shitting the bed
oblique garnet
But it got alot better towards the end of the raid
strong forum
But I have ultra cpu now, but I remember dropping to mid 40s fps
sand egret
hmmm
honest frigate
People were speculating that it was WA packages and the room itself having a lot of animations causing lag
sand egret
your addons could be a problem, yeah
warm plinth
Probably not great. I'm sure there are much better red cards for us
sand egret
but my money is on if they use the fucking "wind" particle effect
hardy holly
at full stack it gave 90% dodge before
they hotfixed and was giving 25%
now i am not sure
honest frigate
SPK deleted one of their WA’s and their FPS went up by 20. On Wednesday I was dropping to 2 FPS while tanking boss haven’t stepped foot in there since
sand egret
which is like the biggest culprit for these random fps issues
hardy holly
i am thinking about it for warrior aoe tanking tho
honest frigate
Most of it is coming from the room design itself for sure though
warm plinth
Hmm
rapid jewel
its nice in m+, since you can keep it up if you chainpull
sand egret
your draw distance can also be an issue (not sure about the room, but Gul'dan had that prob)
warm plinth
Is it like consistent 25% dodge? Because that sounds broken af lol.
potent anvil
I mean, 25% dodge is good for aoe tanking. Doesn't have to be a guess. Just depends if it has value outside of that.
rapid jewel
6 seconds buff, so you have to work to keep it up
hardy holly
and never tried to fully stack it?
yeah for the job i have to do is perfec
*perfect
warm plinth
I don't use it; I'm a havoc DH. I just got it as a drop from Mecha trash
oblique garnet
The overclock one from 2nd to last boss is huge
opaque shuttle
oblique garnet
Its 1.2k haste
warm plinth
😮
warm plinth
He's talking about the overclock card
hardy holly
ahhhhhhhh sorry
tulip arch
Is the tooltip of VoP wrong? I seem to be getting a 30% cooldown reduction instead of 16.5%?
tulip arch
Right, forget I said anything :)
warm plinth
inb4 B&
undone sun
🙊
oblique garnet
I mean at some point blizzard must go through the logs and wonder why there are all these warriors with 90-100% avatar uptime right?
At higher ranks
warm plinth
Yeah but that'll be months from now unless wowhead makes a post about it
potent anvil
I'm 12k honor away from r4 bote/sphere 
warm plinth
ionic fern
What
The fuck
Did i come back to.
😂
Also, @oblique garnet what do you mean regarding VoP?
I'm gonna push the APL & hopeful T24 profile tomorrow.
Think raidbots updates it every monday (?) so next monday you guys should have active essences etc.
potent anvil
It's being applied twice for prot
oblique garnet
^
potent anvil
At 57 neck, instead of 17.1% it's 31.3% reduction
rapid jewel
does the "bug" happened at 57 or before also?
oblique garnet
Before
ionic fern
In game? 🤔
potent anvil
I'm giving an example, since I don't know values before or after lol
oblique garnet
Yes in game
undone sun
👋 @ionic fern
ionic fern
oblique garnet
Thats why i was asking if the sims take the 17.1% value in deswinds case or the 31.3% value which is whats in game
ionic fern
I'm 99% sure it's correct in sims.
Sorry, i was doing a dungeon on my VDH so i actually had to focus on what i was doing since you know..instagibbed.
shut summit
🤢
undone sun
pretty sure he plays monk most of the time anyways
ionic fern
PRetty sure everyone plays monk most of the time. 😂
undone sun
true
warm plinth
Worldcrusher is just sitting abandoned on alliance side for me 😦
Poor little gnome fella
tame sleet
Monk a typically stronger raid tank?
vast sedge
Yes
tame sleet
Better syrvivability? Dps? Both?
warm plinth
They have a very smooth damage intake which is something you want for progression.
vast sedge
Surv
warm plinth
That's why you typically don't see DKs as progression tanks unless grip is invaluable for something: They're spikey af
tame sleet
Im just starting raid tanking with eternal palace. I have 400 monk and war. Hmm
eager hedge
What benthic bracers to go for? The ones with chance to deal damage on attack or the ones having chance to deal damage to attackers?
vast sedge
Frost damage @eager hedge
vast sedge
The ones that proc frost dmg
sterile mantle
are the Zanj'ir scale guards worth it if im gonna raid tank
sick sentinel
someone knows if you time a 15 this week you get the rank 3 anima in next cache? cuase ppl asking for boost intime in a 15 telling this story
blazing prism
Where’s the 57 number coming from? I’m 58 now and getting the exact same cooldown I was at 57
vast sedge
@sterile mantle the effect alone isn’t worth downgrading ilevel for
Fish for a socket or make them better than what you have and sure
oblique garnet
Its slightly less @blazing prism at 58 the cdr is 17.4%
Every neck lvl increases the cdr by 0.3%
sterile mantle
is it the better bracer choice @vast sedge ?
blazing prism
Yeah what I’m saying is the double cd reduction is still applying
vast sedge
@sick sentinel I’ve heard nothing about having to complete a 15 in time. Just complete a 15+ timed or not for next weeks cache if poss
blazing prism
I have a 1m avatar cd at 58 as well
vast sedge
Yes @blazing prism
potent anvil
@blazing prism The number is based on my neck level. At your neck level, with the current bug it'll be 31.77% or 32% if it's rounded, so that's why it's probably still 62s.
No one said that the bug existed at 57.
blazing prism
Ah ok I guess I misread thought the bug was only applying exactly at 57
My bad thanks
warm plinth
You won't get Anima Rank 3 in cache anyway even if you did a 15 in time @sick sentinel You need 15 anima to get the Rank 3 essence and you only get 8 for a +15.
sick sentinel
@warm plinth do you have an source for the amount?
warm plinth
sick sentinel
thanks mate
warm plinth
No worries
rocky gust
@warm plinth is it a good idea to combo Rallying Cry with Last Stand ?
lusty grotto
GUYS
rocky gust
since Rallying Cry increases your max health, and then Last Stand uses max health
lusty grotto
warm plinth
Nah not really. They both do the same thing; it would just be overkill. Besides, you're gonna be using Last Stand pretty close to on cooldown for Shield Block uptime
undone sun
incredibly situational to stack that tbh
lusty grotto
wtf is this luck
rocky gust
SB uptime you mean i will be able to generate more rage until last stand stops
warm plinth
No, remember you get Bolster from Last Stand, which functions like Shield Block
So you block all attacks while it's up
warm plinth
Nah, you are still using Shield Slam and Thunder Clap regardless of whether you're casting Shield Block or not.
Shield Block is off the global cooldown; it doesn't impact the amount of spells you can cast.
And the only abilities you'd be likely to cast with the rage you're not using on Shield Block is Ignore Pain or Revenge, which you'd be casting anyway most likely, though maybe not as freely.
rocky gust
yea i guess last stand could help me build enough rage to spend on ignore pain and revenge
undone sun
i mean...ip isn't something to aim for to stack, it's realistically just a rage dump
lusty grotto
rip sunburst crest, you served me well
undone sun
it's nowhere near as useful as it was in legion, stack cap is much lower and individual absorb is much smaller
rocky gust
yea that's why i quit when bfa was released
i played prot warrior and i saw those nerfs
i was super bummed
rocky gust
i am
lusty grotto
im confused
undone sun
🤣
rocky gust
and now i've returned again
lusty grotto
oh
warm plinth
You quit based on nerfs to a class you'd barely started playing 2 weeks prior?
That's...odd
rocky gust
yea because i made custom WA for it
and i loved playing it that way
then everything changed
was nerfed af
i was like fk this
lusty grotto
you... spammed IP?
rocky gust
and i just quit
lusty grotto
hmm 🤔
warm plinth
I mean, I spammed IP in Legion, but I also had Tier 21 and was drowning in rage lol
But I don't see a person who'd played for 2 weeks being in that situation
warm plinth
Woah, giving me credit I don't deserve there Nim
Imagine me being able to play properly
lusty grotto
must be Stewart
warm plinth
I knew I liked that fish
rocky gust
i mean in those two weeks i had my toon go 110 from 100 questing
i loved playing it
and the new expansion changed many things
i mean IP was stacking 3x
now 1.3x
it's huge
warm plinth
I agree with you. I just don't understand why you'd quit a game after 2 weeks when you barely had played it to begin with.
rocky gust
because i was having hard time getting to know the game
as a new play i was solo leveling and it sucked
a new player's experience is awful
imo
finally i got hooked with my prot warrior
and right then the nerfs came
i was bummed and got tired of the game
warm plinth
It's your opinion that matters, obviously. Just hard for me to wrap my mind around it lol.
rocky gust
mainly because i was soloing everything as a new player
warm plinth
Then again I've played since 2006 so I'm used to big changes when expansions come.
rocky gust
yea i didnt know they'd change so much
i figured there will be a change
but for example IP going from 3x to 1.3x is a big change for me
warm plinth
Well, Legion to BfA was only such a massive change because they had the artifact system in place in Legion
And they had to figure out how to basically balance brand new shit around gutted classes
undone sun
and failed
rocky gust
well the good news is i think im actually getting hooked again to the game
i also had other problems with wow because i played other mmorpg
things like why cant i fkn trade whatever i want whenever i want
most things are soulbound and stuff
warm plinth
I've always been a proponent of quitting when the game isn't doing it for you anymore. In fairness, I came back after a pretty long break when Warlords was new and only stuck around for 3 or 4 weeks.
rocky gust
i personally dont like the transmog system, i believe if you get an awesome piece of gear, you should have a special look to it, and people could recognize it when they see you
and other stuff like that
warm plinth
Yeah but a lot of MMOs have something similar to soulbinding don't they?
All the ones I've played had something like it, albeit with a different name.
rocky gust
yea so i felt like wow is missing some awesomeness
then i saw monsters scale to your ilvl
exotic spoke
In the world.
rocky gust
i was like wtf i want to level up gear up and get stronger
warm plinth
Tbf everyone was pissed about that lol
rocky gust
but monsters scaling to your ilvl it wont happen
exotic spoke
But, welcome to personal loot. One of the largest complains I have with the game.
And whoa, you scale faster than they do
warm plinth
Especially since they didn't even announce it beforehand. They just did it.
exotic spoke
So it gets easier
rocky gust
i was actually wondering if i should just equip a shield and sword and level up to 120 , wondering if it would be the same difficulty
warm plinth
That's what people were doing when they first changed that actually; they were removing gear to make mobs easier to kill. Thankfully that was short-lived.
rocky gust
i heard it gets easier with Raid gear
exotic spoke
You definitely get stronger faster than they do
warm plinth
But yeah it was toned down pretty fast after that and you will definitely get stronger relative to mobs as you gear up.
Though tbh you're actually at the worst possible point in the leveling process right now
117-119 the scaling is actually pretty fucked
imo
rocky gust
also while questing alone, was very difficult
figuring out what to do where to go
wasting time
for small amount of exp
was a waste of my time
warm plinth
I went from mowing mobs down huge packs at a time at 115-116 and then suddenly I was getting trucked by 3 mobs (on DPS toons)
rocky gust
all that to figure out there's a bug in the quest
and i had to reset it
those were the most annoying ones
i tried playing rogue
got rekt in 2 seconds
switch back to tank
now i solo 2 elites at a time
while questing
much better
also some quest you hunt elites, where you cant really solo them
but you find out the hard way
warm plinth
Well, once you get to 120, trust me you'll notice a difference in your strength vs mobs
rocky gust
but one of the best experiences i've had was finding some random pepople that are doing the exact same quest and grouping up
that was awesome
but it never happens xD
yea so then most of my time i spend leveling up, hoping the end game is better
warm plinth
Tbf there aren't many quests that require help
Maybe some of the elites in BfA but most of the pre-BfA things are either pushovers or aren't even elite anymore.
Every time I level an alt I'm like wow that guy used to be elite, and that guy, and that guy
warm plinth
I'd be interested to see how you feel about classic lol.
Where every quest is like smashing your face against a cement wall
rocky gust
or seeing someone struggles with a pack of mobs, and jumping in to help
i actually like challenging content
having to use your skills combined with teammates to defeat a boss
it's awesome
exotic spoke
Challenging content is in m+ and raids.
Some of the secret stuff in Nazjatar requires a group to pull / execute
exotic spoke
There’s a ton in naz - mobs that you need to do certain things to activate and kill. Secret mini games.
Some are easier than others. Somenare achievements and others also provide nice things.
The ancient coral reef walkers are some of the secrets that reward things like follower experience
rocky gust
sounds awesome, ill have to wait till i hit max level
i also wanted to get a nice mount/transmog set
this is all new to me
warm plinth
Oh you probably don't even have heirlooms huh
rocky gust
nope
warm plinth
You poor thing lol
rocky gust
what kind of heirlooms do i need?
warm plinth
Oh, the old one?
lusty grotto
its 80 STR
rocky gust
so i never knew about heirlooms , when i tried leveling from 0, until a friend showed me was too late
warm plinth
What was it before, 60 right?
lusty grotto
hmm i dont know, that's why i'm asking
warm plinth
You can use heirlooms but you probably don't have enough gold
rocky gust
like as a noob they dump you in the starting zone, having to run everywhere
warm plinth
It's expensive to get them all to 120
lusty grotto
Now provides +80 Strength (up from +40) since Patch 8.2.
rocky gust
and then i discovered heirlooms that give you insane amount of exp
so what heirlooms can give me on level 117?
warm plinth
You get like...40% or something extra XP I think with full heirlooms
warm plinth
No, it's for all levels
But you have to ugprade them to make them work for higher level ranges
rocky gust
ill do that
warm plinth
And it's costly to upgrade them
exotic spoke
Side note - you ever watch those videos ghash?
exotic spoke
So, Anduin as shia leBouf in dear sister?
Whoa, it’s a lot of gold. Can’t remember how much per piece but you’d probably need two tokens.
At this point it’s honestly not worth it for your character at 117
warm plinth
Nah it's not that bad.
They nerfed the costs when they unlocked the 120 upgrade
It's like 2500g for the full set of XP granting ones (helm, shoulders, chest, cape, and leggings), and then 8500 per item to upgrade it for level 120.
exotic spoke
It’s a lot if you do it from scratch
exotic spoke
Hrm, thought it was more
warm plinth
So 45,000g to get a full set to 120
It was but they decided to nerf it when they unlocked the 120 upgrades
warm plinth
It was originally gonna be 10k for the 120 upgrade tokens for armor and 15k for the weapons
But instead it's 5k and 7.5k
exotic spoke
Dmf is gone now so RIP
lusty grotto
welp there's no seasonals running so you're screwed
rocky gust
i will probably make another character and use that to level it up
warm plinth
Yeah it's probably not worth it for 3 levels
rocky gust
nah it's for the longer term
warm plinth
Keep in mind that's just one set of gear though
rocky gust
but i can still use it even for 3 levels
warm plinth
You would have to get a different set for different classes
exotic spoke
You buy a specific armor piece. So plate, mail, leather, and clothed are all different things
warm plinth
Because of the armor types
warm plinth
So 1 token you should be able to get 3 full sets
rocky gust
i have about 80k or 90k right now
warm plinth
Which should be fine tbh. You can just get the leather, plate and cloth set and you'll be fine to level anything. Mail classes won't lose much for using leather armor
rocky gust
from the last time i bought a token
warm plinth
XD
rocky gust
so is it true i can just use a sword and shield to level up the same difficulty?
because of monster scaling to ilvl
or there's a minimum scaling down
warm plinth
No, I don't even think it scales to ilevel until max level
The rest is just character level
warm plinth
I know, but it's not necessary to stack them
undone sun
yes
rocky gust
but you said you dont really use Rallying cry
might as well use it when u want to use last stand?
undone sun
it's not meant to be used as a personal anyways
rocky gust
yea
warm plinth
So if I don't need it, I don't use it
undone sun
it's rarely needed to use both
warm plinth
And frankly for personal use, the healing part of Last Stand is really only necessary if you fucked up in max level content.
Because you should be using it primarily for sheld block uptime, not the heal.
rocky gust
yea well for leveling i bearly used it
i had sb up all time
even able to use IP
so i use it when im low on health
or rare occasion when im low on rage
i like having IP , provides a small buffer for me before the monsters actually decrease my health
i love victory rush
it's amazing
should've called it invincible rush?
lolz
gets my health back up
orchid token
@umbral forge pog
warm plinth
Victory Rush is the most amazing spell ever when you're leveling
Even at max level, I've legit pulled random trash mobs while fighting someone (PvP) just so I get VR procs 😂
rocky gust
LOL
that's fkn awesome
wonder how that guy felt at that time
but yea i can pull lots of mobs and use shield wall while aoe them
until i get my victory rush
then it's game over for them
i dont really use shield wall that often
i never have the need for it
warm plinth
There's a couple bosses in Legion that I soloed on M+ by getting VR procs too
rocky gust
nice
spice ferry
Ur last boss ❤️
warm plinth
lol
rocky gust
i kept dying to this elite snake called ayame
lusty grotto
cause you're leveling
rocky gust
i wonder if i could proc VR and defeat it solo
warm plinth
Lol, yeah I know the mob you're talking about
You can defeat it solo. Just interrupt his spit when you can and make sure you're not in front of him for the other thing
The cone attack he has is what will fuck you up
But you can side step it, or just run through him when he casts it
rocky gust
you see, i didnt even know how to figure this out, that i need to do those things
lusty grotto
you need to do dungeons
warm plinth
Questing is faster
warm plinth
Much faster
lusty grotto
i mean if he wants experience tanking
rocky gust
im trying to keep up with rotation, unable to see the incoming attacks
lusty grotto
questing is certainly not the way to acquire it
and normals do give decent exp this time around
rocky gust
questing is a good way to practice rotation
then tanking is the next level
understanding when to use cooldowns etc
being more aware of the target incoming damage
sand egret
true, but the act of tanking isn't hard. Tanking is really about doing that, under pressure. 😃
rocky gust
i plan on doing timewalking dungeons tomorrow
lusty grotto
you can get heirlooms doing timewalking too btw
with the timewalking tokens
its wrath timewalking right?
i wonder if they upped the ilvl of rewards
or what they upped them to
because obviously they did :p
warm plinth
Yeah it's wrath this time
lusty grotto
hmm hmm
warm plinth
Can you see in dungeon journal? Isn't there a TW difficulty in the drop down?
rocky gust
maybe ill start by practicing on that snake elite in Nazmir
i want to defeat that thing
ill figure out what abilities it uses, and find a way around them
maybe try to proc my VR
by luring mobs
lusty grotto
let me check
rocky gust
i gtg see you guys later!
warm plinth
Yeah he has like 2 or 3 spells I think. One is a pretty small poison DoT that he does which can be interrupted. And then he does one that's a spray in front of him. You can tell the difference because the spray he won't turn with you if you move.
rocky gust
thanks so much for helping out!
warm plinth
Yeah that's about what I figured
lusty grotto
but i mean the chest
lusty grotto
blah
warm plinth
Mythic weekly is the one you want; that'll be 430
395 base loot isn't bad at all for alts though
warm plinth
Benthic doesn't cover all the slots is my only concern. Like I really wish they'd at least given us benthic shields, if not weapons
warm plinth
Yeah, and WQs too if you're lucky
I went to do a WQ that gave a ring for my pally and reset happened while I was on the way to the quest. Quest stayed but the reward changed. I didn't realize til after I killed the mob and instead of a ring I got AP :/
warm plinth
Yeah I was a little mad, especially since the two other ring or turtle quests changed as well so I had no options for a ring at that point lol
I got carried in a few M+ the other day though and made out pretty well. Got 415 belt, 415 pants and 410 ring lol
warm plinth
Only complete shit item I have (meaning less than 385) is a 281 ring
Well, I guess my wep and shield still suck too but whatever
sick sentinel
gonna guess that the Fusion Hacker is a kinda poop weapon
warm plinth
While it's unfortunate that it lacks secondaries, you'd still use it if it was your highest ilevel, just like you would with the Servant Splitter.
sick sentinel
does vision of perfection activate IP if i have the azerite?
astral crystal
yes
sweet kettle
@fierce juniper whats with the new weapon enchant should we change quick navigation for it or its not that amazing i saw you updated the guide but i dont see anything about the new enchant
rapid wren
how many worldveins does bloodmallet assume the grp has?
brazen sequoia
The Edict trinket from TEP, should I set it to physical for p1 and then change it to magical for intermission 1, on Azhara?
spice ferry
@sweet kettle force multiplier
sweet kettle
yeah i have been using it but wonder why the guide doesnt say anything since it was updated or maybe that part is still the old one
spice ferry
Outdated
Not all parts done yet
People have lives/jobs
Likely not even paid to maintain guides
Just a couple random guesses
sweet kettle
seems weird that all
orchid token
sorry, the unpaid volunteers who maintain the guides will try to be more responsive to your demands in future
hasty nova
yall think i should go with this rezzans gleaming eye or this wind-up utility pylon for dps
this one is a toughy
small flicker
I cant tank heroic court for some reason im getting slammed 418 ilvl idk what im doing wrong I did end game content before i got 1200 raider io in the last patch. but i cant tank this fucking boss
warm plinth
@sweet kettle The guide is always written for pure defense. It's possible that Quick Nav is just still the best option for survival. Or as the others said, it could just be that FM ended up better than expected and it hasn't been updated.
lusty grotto
quick nav IS better for surv
its a shitton of haste with all stacks
force multi is random, and if you get the haste buff it's way less
but again force multi might better for non-surv options
since it procs a lot
plus it procs STR
this is on a timed 10
blue is mastery, green is haste
red is crit
but that one's further down
im honestly not conviced, but it does proc a lot
i'll probably swap back to quick nav
trim bay
What major you running for dungeons @lusty grotto
lusty grotto
same old
sick sentinel
has anyone ever thought that victorious! procs might be bugged?
ie not occurring as often as they should
rapid wren
just saw blizz say theyre doing class tuning soon. you guys think the nerf bat is coming for our dps?
sick sentinel
Any word on Clockwork Heart? I tried to look in past messages but didnt see anything
lusty grotto
visions r1 + lucid r4 absorbalott
nah they won't touch our dps anymore
i highly doubt it
warm plinth
They already listed what the changes are going to be. Most of it was PvP.
None of it was us
boreal mulch
did they touch avatar's cd with visions? seems like my cd went up from yesterday to today
am i tripping?
regal nest
ye
warm plinth
What's the CD showing as @boreal mulch ?
regal nest
@upper robin u can bash it with shield
upper robin
In all seriousness tho
Nothing really stands out to me being too difficult other than LOS in p1
And the pools
regal nest
i think u can LOS p1 with console
upper robin
You can
upper robin
alright, we'll see what the other tank and I get up to. Thanks you
willow scarab
Azshara hits really hard the whole fight and especially if soaking gets sloppy towards the end of the fight
so keep that in mind
we used this strat and it felt pretty smooth to tank https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHQ_mCnOOoI
you can spell reflect arcane jolt
orchid token
so many stubborn blood dks
i hope they tune them further down this week just to wipe out the last of them
shut summit
ye its great
fallen vector
425 Ritual Bandages or Highborne compendium of mystical bulwark?
fluid sun
did they slightly nerf the vision minor for Prot?
trim bay
Yea my CD on avatar has changed
fluid sun
same
warm plinth
Probably fixed the bug then
fluid sun
What was the bug?
warm plinth
It was giving essentially double the CDR that it was supposed to
grand drum
for everyone or just prot?
fluid sun
I'll check on my Brewmaster in a minute
orchid token
wings has not changed
ornate magnet
do we still use quick nav? or force-multiplier
regal nest
It's just me, or great reef barrier just lose its unique ability, when 8.2 goes live?
i've remember, that it gives a nice shield ~10% of your hp
fluid sun
It was nerfed a few builds before the live one
regal nest
pepehands
narrow sparrow
what is more important to upgrade for m+? your weapon or your shield?
undone sun
shield
narrow sparrow
ok thanks
umbral forge
How do you upgrade a shield
@orchid token thanks! I worked overtime for it
Oh shit its @undone sun
undone sun
oh shit it's @umbral forge
umbral forge
How you been my furry friend
undone sun
hmmm
exotic spoke
Oh shit @umbral forge
umbral forge
Oh the Pandaren
exotic spoke
So
You all wanna hear something cool with Cyclotronic?
In warmode on Mechagon you can use it while flying with a anti-grav pack
umbral forge
@exotic spoke wanna know something more fun?
exotic spoke
#LastStandWithVic ?
umbral forge
When a DH uses Death from Above you can use Cyclotronic on him.
The fact they use it as a panic button while at low health makes it a fucking perfect counter. Killed 10 DHs with it in arenas the past week 😂
exotic spoke
Two people in my M+ hit 1800 purely by zoning into 2s and popping cyclotronic on a person off the bat
potent anvil
i did it, rank 4 sphere of suppression and blood of the enemy
potent anvil
BG/epic bg's
wispy plume
just bg spamming the whole way?
potent anvil
yeah
wispy plume
dedication lol
tawny maple
Are there any early routes shared anywhere?
potent anvil
uh, it has more blue/yellow in there. like a lot more, so its fuller i suppose
if you know what the animation of sphere looks like at r1-3
upper kindle
Hey can someone explain to me the best ways to deal with beguiling.
I am having trouble espically with the void one
obtuse venture
what honor level is 100k honor
warm plinth
For Void emissary either burn it first (in non-dangerous packs) or pull the pack to a spot that's out of LoS and kill the void after the pack is dead
@upper kindle
potent anvil
@obtuse venture not sure if you start fresh, but im honor lvl 50 now
orchid token
You don't, honour from legion was additive
shadow spruce
so i havent seen anyone comment on the Anodized Deflectors bracers from Mechagon. essentially sacrified secondary stats to give you 562 parry / 399 avoidance for 6 seconds, and you do a shockwave that deals damage. cd is 30 seconds
does anyone actually konw if it's good or bad?
warm plinth
Doesn't sound particularly spectacular.
shadow spruce
i know you're a "go full offensive" kind of warrior, so i should clarify im asking for a mix damage/defensive position
orchid token
Avoidance is worthless and parry slightly less so and the item has less stats in exchange for them
quiet crane
Parry isn’t worthless just inconsistent
Link the bracers idk what ones you’re talking about
fallow patrol
Which AZ traits we want for raiding? I read the FAQ but confused.. alsways 3x BoM and 1xDC >>other?
Or just the M+ traits?
strong forum
As always
spiral sandal
In terms of essences, I want mecha as my major and lucid when minor becomes available yea?
sick sentinel
bloodthirsty urchin should outperform prism defensively when one takes enough dmg, right?
winged sage
How many procs should mecha essence have? Maybe I’m unlucky with 3 proccs in Azshara he kill
warm plinth
Are you counting extensions or just the 7 second procs outside of Avatar?
fallow patrol
3 proccs in whole Azshara fight seems not really legit 😋
sick sentinel
this is my best azerite setup, right? can't see how getting deafening crash would be worth it if it meant dropping 15 iLvl and Bastion of Might. Only concerned with m+
stark ruin
I don't know, but DC is very strong both defensively and offensively in m+
orchid token
definitely do not drop ilvlf or traits
but getting a single DC may be worth it as its a big increase to uptime
sick sentinel
what about if the ilvl is the same? 1 DC 2 Bastion or 3 Bastion 0 DC?
undone sun
If same ilevel, you always want at least 1 dc
I don't recall the ilevel importance of it though
warm plinth
Worth a ~15 ilevel drop or so
sick sentinel
oh, well, something to work towards together with replacing that damn 370 weapon 😄 did 11 atal +4-6, got everything BUT the weapon 😄 multiples in some cases 😄
stark ruin
means you have a decent Rezan's, which is nice 😃
sick sentinel
435 with socket 😄
sick sentinel
I absolutely hate pvp stuffs, would rather farm atal for the entire day than go do pvp 😄
sick sentinel
hm... that's a thought
stark ruin
but frankly, prot warrior pvp is lot of fun
sick sentinel
fun pvp is like a talented kardashian
stark ruin
talent storm bolt, the heroic leap talent, warbringer, dragon charge and the mass demo shout and just be the most annoying player on the field
sick sentinel
but if you're the most annoying one, then everyone comes to murder ya 😄
stark ruin
aaaand you can get away
sick sentinel
baited and outsmarted? 😄
stark ruin
dragon charge + heroic leap
sick sentinel
okay, thanks for the help, everyone. will stop bother you with my stupid 😄
spice musk
DC ist still Note than 20 ilvl worth.
Note Note Note damn
More Not note
Shit Auto corecct
strong forum
:^)
spice ferry
I’m still not sure what you tried to say
brittle owl
doesn't matter, the main takeaway is autocorrect sucks
or he should get a bigger phone for easier typing
thorny laurel
So are the sims correct? Undulating Tides is sick for dps as prot?
rapid wren
is downing azshara super important before reset? debating staying up all night to do it but only if necessary. ive done all but the final 2 bosses
strong forum
If you care about getting curve
But that's about it
Also azshara is like 10 times harder than zaq
rapid wren
nah im not even in a guild rn. more worried about the raid essence or not being able to get into heroic next week
strong forum
Not many people will have curve this week, it'll be alot easier with better gear. I don't plan on getting curve. I plan to get CE and curve on the same kill
The raid essence you can safely ignore, its not really good
obtuse venture
gl on the dice rolls tomorrow people
formal rune
To rank up VoP do you just have to do mecha again???
arctic sedge
formal rune
Cheer yeah it says get something from king mecha and I wasn’t sure if it was just do it again or something I missed.
stable terrace
one question: Our Maintank stopped playing wow 3 days ago, so i have to tank (first time in my life i ever tank) we tryed queen last night (me warry tank, co-tank monk) and my leader wants to face-tank the 2 add @p1 to cleave them fast down, but i got rly hard hits, and 2 times oneshot with hard-cd. the monk-tank takes nearly 2x overall dmg compared to me and is smoother to heal then me. my dmg income spikes are ridiculous, although with shieldblock up, the spikes are sometimes extreme, i have a good uptime on shieldblock and try to maximize the uptime, also i rly do everything to not overlap my cds, but i rly feel bad compared to the monk
strong forum
Pretty sure people said you get r2 from doing hardmode
@stable terrace you mean azshara? The mechanic of the caster add is that after you have 3 stacks of frost blast on you, the 4th one will freeze you and she will hit you with an ice shard shattering the frostblock and dealing like 250k dmg to you
Also when the adds cast painful memories, they both do 150% increased dmg, you have to split them 2 and the cannot be in line of sight of each other. When the buff runs out you can group them up again and cleave them down
stable terrace
yeah i know, we swap the adds to prevent frostblock, but our raidlead wants to not LoS them to cleave them fast down, because other high guilds do it like this
and i am nearly unhealable with painful memories
strong forum
What
onyx vessel
Monk always takes smooth dmg also its there thing
sweet kettle
swap?
strong forum
It's unhealable, as you said
sweet kettle
just tank it in the face my dude
strong forum
You have to Los them
sweet kettle
you mean the adds in the Queen right?
stable terrace
Queen P1 yes
strong forum
If you don't los them it's a wipe
stable terrace
we taunt the adds to prevent frostblock, but tanking the adds near eachother for our meeles to cleave
strong forum
Like... Its unhealable
onyx vessel
So tell your raid lead there dumb you need to los or wipe
strong forum
^^
sweet kettle
you los them only when its needed and then you stack them and blast
glacial ore
Pussy, do it!
strong forum
It's literally unhealable
glacial ore
You warrior you smash !
stable terrace
and the monk-tank takes double my dmg. but its ok healable, but i take sometimes extrem spikes and 2 times oneshot dispite of hardcds like shieldwall
sweet kettle
you cant survive the dmg doesnt matter what you do
onyx vessel
^
onyx vessel
Monk basically cant be 1 shot
stable terrace
ok, ty, i was rly feeling bad and it was my first time that i tanked, so searched my faults
onyx vessel
You did good
stable terrace
150% dmg and 60% haste
ember plinth
Yeah, there's no reason to tank them together with suffering. If your healers can handle that much damage, just drop a healer and replace them with a dps
onyx vessel
Rl is dumb
strong forum
You can kill them before 2nd hulk spawns
sweet kettle
make the monk grab the guy and you solo tank the girl
strong forum
But tanking the suffering is beyond retarded
sweet kettle
@strong forum nah not reading the journal and notdoing what anyone else does is retarded
stable terrace
RL said: if other guilds do it without LoS then it is possible and just a skill question^^
ember plinth
Does he have any kills videos of other guilds doing it that way?
stable terrace
i think limit did it at their stream
strong forum
Pretty sure they didn't
ember plinth
They probably tried it to see if it was possible, but comparing yourself to a top 10 guild isn't going to go well
strong forum
Or trying to brute force strats that will force your healers oom and change nothing about the actual fight or timings 🙃
Imagine willingly having to spam heal your tanks to gain nothing instead of just doing it the actual way
Imagine
sturdy vigil
Ur rl has 100% understood what other guilds do wrong. you stack them on pull for 10secs. los for painfull memories and bring back to after painfull memories buff drops
this way you push them before second hulk spawns easy still and there is nothing more to gain from trying to face tank insane dmg buff of painfull memories
strong forum
Exactly
sturdy vigil
he has seen them being stacked on kill vids
but obviously not during painfull memories
1000iq clearly
stable terrace
ok ty very much @ all, getting nearly one shotted as tank which result into wipe is not a very awesome feeling^^
sturdy vigil
also the classic "this is how best guilds do it so we should do it like this also" is a mind blower
from a assume a not top guild
stable terrace
yes!
sturdy vigil
its the worst feeling but also not ur fault at all here
cinder roost
@stable terrace Also if you feel like it, don't need to swap adds for the 1st freeze, just use CD and move a little just before the blast to not be frozen in the pool
You can just swap when painful mem are done and adds are stack again
sturdy vigil
you should not tank swap because the freeze happens sooner than the painfull memories goes away. swapping will result in the bosses getting a dmg buff briefly that will cause issues
willow scarab
The best way to avoid the freeze is to have the tank with the freeze mob to be a human
strong forum
Well ye on HC it's no big deal, but mythic will be 1shot
It'd be nonsensical if it wasn't
strong forum
Imagine playing bdk after 8.1 yikes
sick sentinel
We have one
willow scarab
What if you have a human dk tank it
sick sentinel
He went warr for jaina
sick sentinel
It's fun if you wanna game the stacks
And reflect to the boss
Because if you cast reflect too early you reflect missiles
willow scarab
You are preaching to the choir
Just throw it at <1.5s and you’ll pretty much always get it
sick sentinel
That's what I did
willow scarab
The fight is so stop start stop start
willow scarab
I hope the mythic mechanic makes it more fun
Gonna be interesting to watch in like... 6 hours
void berry
And my RL didn't even want us to try her on HM.
So we cleared NM instead... EXCEPT AZSHARA
I think he hates her.