Also I am using lucid dreams as minor
#protection
sick sentinel
shadow spruce
Anyone here got or tried the bracers from Mechagon, "Anodized Deflectors"?
exotic spoke
I agree with kaege and delli
wanton blaze
Any idea if you can get the rank2 vision from hardmode if you're already saved for regular mechagon? I doubt it but still.
west galleon
pretty sure they have the same lockout
strong forum
@ebon lagoon i bought mats for 7k aka 200 thingies and then had alch guild mate craft 100, got 137 pots out of it, kinda OK
prisma crane
fucking small indie company you are Blizz...
had to stop our mechagon run because KUJO's cubes wouldnt provide LoS
sick sentinel
?
Just reset 2 /3 times
I did the same thing and we reset a few times nad it worked
sick sentinel
no
prisma crane
every time, one random person would just get targetted and dead
sick sentinel
Reset the boss
prisma crane
even if standing between the rest of us or on us
sick sentinel
You just hide los, immediately spread out
prisma crane
and i did reset him about 5 of the pulls because i wasnt teh first to die
sick sentinel
go back in
prisma crane
i understand how the fight works
sick sentinel
if you don't spread fast enough
it bugs
that's what I'm saying
..
and people shouldn't die by the box dropping
sick sentinel
They have to be touching the box
prisma crane
they are not
we tried hugging the box, standing 8-10 yrds back, stacking around 4-5 yrds from the box
always at least one person hit as if not in LoS
while simultaneously standing in the middle of the rest of us
the fight is just not working properly and it's frustrating
because its an otherwise incredibly simple boss...
west galleon
hm that's weird, my group just one shot it with no bugs
sick sentinel
is it just me or does add phase on radiance do fuck tons of damage
half the raid dies
rapid jewel
chain lightning fucks the raid up, start with a stun rota, followed by dudu silence
brittle owl
or just grip/beam and call it a day if you have a bdk or a vdh cotank
rapid jewel
yeah, just dont let them cast freely, they will wipe you.
sick sentinel
any tip for lady ashvane
mental scarab
Wrong forum maybe but the emissarys have diff location each week? Not dungeon ID
Or im dumb🤔
sick sentinel
yes each week different location
rapid jewel
@sick sentinel try to overlap the tank debuff corals as much as possible. Use berserker rage to break saltprison
sick sentinel
that's what I'm doing
boss seems to never die
is it because of dps check?
The kiting is fine, I'm basically sitting in the corals
when I get hit
strong forum
Boss is a pure dps check yes
You can maybe break 3 shields, if the boss isn't dead after that it's gg
sick sentinel
ât azshara, do you guys tank myrmidon and azhsara on top of each other?
west kayak
So earlier this week I got lucky on Norm EP and got the BoE hands TF to 430. I know just joined a H EP BoE farm group and got the same ones at 450. Do I wear'em or sell'em?
orchid token
sell, 450 is high enough that whoever the big guild on your server is might want them
crystal dirge
hey, do we have any info on how good the infinite stacking dodge red punchcard is for us? currently using it with a 440 yellow, but I can swap it for a 425 vial now
west kayak
I have that card as well. Goes up to 99 and brings me from 3% to ~28% Dodge.
crystal dirge
Yeh think it's pretty strong too, just don't know exactly how strong
rapid jewel
depends on boss. sivara, azharas, orgozoa (Maybe aschenwind) it wont work well. on all other bosses you should be able to keep it up with an intercept here and there.
golden violet
Greetings, im quite new to prot warrior and have a handful of embarrassing questions id like go over with someone if possible 😃
astral crystal
@golden violet if you haven't yet, head to #268491842637660160 and take a gander at the basics
umbral forge
https://i.imgur.com/7Lbz3Vp.jpg holy shit I met another one
novel temple
@sick sentinel when did we change to force?
sick sentinel
since the new tier
novel temple
Ahhh ok
sweet kettle
why does one guide says quick nav and the other force?
spice ferry
Because one guide is outdated
fickle geode
what potion should I be using in keys for dps these days
potent anvil
empowered prox for trash, unbridled fury for bosses
sick sentinel
if you didnt get the recipe for R2 of Vision can you rerun mechagon this week for it? or have to wait for next
potent anvil
pretty sure its tied to loot lockout, so you'll have to get it next week. on that note, are there people with r2 vision?
shut summit
yea dont think u could have gotten r2 yet
sick sentinel
ah ok, heard murmurs about it being an rng drop from him week 1
sturdy obsidian
What minor do prot warriors use for m+?
sick sentinel
lucid, speculation on third slot is sphere and crucible rn but nothing concrete
winged sage
guys do u notice the increased cd from Avatar ?
for me it shows 1min 2secs instead of 1 min
potent anvil
It's a bug, it's being applied twice.
fickle geode
When you use empowered prox, does that just generate more stats as soon as more mobs come in, is it dynamic or is it static as you pop it
potent anvil
Avatar (90s) should be reduced to 74s if you have neck level 57. Instead, its being reduced to 62s.
@fickle geode I believe it's dynamic, but I never paid attention.
fickle geode
pre-potting it in a key would be shit if it's static so I'm curious, I imagine it'll be dynamic so I'm hoping that's the case
I haven't tested it yet
potent anvil
I can test in a bit
fickle geode
I would appreciate that, I'm working on my alchemy right now but dont have them yet
potent anvil
It's dynamic
fickle geode
so your stats go up or down based of fof how many mobs are nearby
potent anvil
Yep, caps at 5.
fickle geode
ok, ty for that
plain moth
hey guys one question: is it worth building the ingi head on 430 or better stay on 3x BoM with a 420 a head?
junior ivy
i have a discord question that has nothing to do with wow or warriors
and dunno where to ask lol
undone sun
¯_(ツ)_/¯
junior ivy
ill ask in an android phone discord l;ol
warm plinth
I wonder if Discord...has a Discord 😱
warm plinth
Best ribs I've ever had were made by one of my former co-workers lol
rapid jewel
as a tank you dont really have to do a lot. transition phase with a good WA is a joke, boss isn't really demanding
arctic sedge
its just the first part thats confusing
hasty nova
hey guys i had a questions
how do i craft with BS reinforced osmenite legguards
do i need to craft the regular ones first?
gritty vale
How good is that mechagon punch card trinket for us
frigid forge
how does Bloodthirsty Urchin stand in terms of defensive
heady copper
vbpfrgfA3
lusty grotto
whatever is highest ilvl
you're not seeing it because it'll get replaced by heroic/mythic and m+ gear relatively quickly
we don't really go for any specific piece for now
play catch up with it for now, that's it
ivory depot
some classes have bis with benthic armor, so i imagined it could be like them
lusty grotto
that's why i said
we don't really go for any specific piece for now
our role is to tank, and nothing seems good for tanking
for dps and healing, yes
they go for specific ones like bracers and shit
ivory depot
@lusty grotto thats a perfectly fine answer, thank you sir
warm plinth
😂
sterile mantle
is 3 bastion with prection main and lucid secondary considered good?
lusty grotto
im confused
you're listing 2 different things there
BoM is a trait, Lucid is an essence
warm plinth
Yes, 3 bastion with perfection main and lucid secondary is considered good.
Gotta learn how to translate Icanttype-anese Nim
undone sun
Traits dont really have that big of an impact on what essences you pick, and vice versa
Veteran gHash
warm plinth
smh
warm plinth
😮
lusty grotto
warm plinth
tfw Nim pretends something is bugged until you want to do it with him
lusty grotto
well do you need him
warm plinth
I literally don't even know what he's for
lusty grotto
warm plinth
Sick
sterile mantle
@warm plinth lol thanks for the transl;ation. was typing on my phone and being lazy lol
lusty grotto
look at this
@exotic spoke today there's a quest that requires you to build a powercore that is worth 8 crats, 8 intercoils
lusty grotto
yup
exotic spoke
I didnt see that one
undone sun
:o
exotic spoke
ohhh yeah that one
lusty grotto
scrapforged mechaspider
exotic spoke
yeah I had that a few days ago
lusty grotto
dunno it looks cool though
shut summit
🕷
oblique garnet
Doesnt fly so its worthless
exotic spoke
lol
fallow patrol
Which Weapon Enchant do we want as tanks? Is there a big div. for raid to m+?
lusty grotto
quick nav or force multi
sick sentinel
force multiplier for big gamers
weary veldt
exotic spoke
I’d probably go haste. But part of me is saying crit
celest oak
I'm interested in learning to tank, but it feels rather intimidating as a newer player. I'm sure it's a common question, but does anyone have any advice on where would be a good place to start and all?
lusty grotto
#268491842637660160 icy veins guide, but your best bet is to just queue dungeons
celest oak
I'll check that out, thanks!
exotic spoke
Icy veins is great, and then just do some dungeons and try things out. It’s not that bad at all
And it gets easier too
lusty grotto
failure is the best teacher
lusty grotto
youre right because im not failure 😃
exotic spoke
Lol
undone sun
Hmmm
warm plinth
Not even doing above 18s = failure Nim
exotic spoke
Wait. In general or this week ghash?
undone sun
Always
warm plinth
I'm just giving him shit referencing that guy telling him that he couldn't have an opinion because he didn't do above 18s
lusty grotto
that was kaege
undone sun
You two are the same anyways @lusty grotto
warm plinth
What was Kaege
warm plinth
Probably still weeb
lusty grotto
goddamn
exotic spoke
Ahh fair enough and imo Rio is only a benchmark of experience - not skill
strange plover
Ive got a general tanking Azshara question. I assume the two adds in pahse 1 (Cyranus and Aethanel) are in one of these 2 modes at all times: Longing or Painful Memories. The Painful Memories we pull them apart and LoS, I understand that, but what I dont fully understand is how long Painful Memories lasts and how its timer works. Is it just a thing for like 10-15 seconds and then stack them back up.
So basically are they always Longing and the only real mechanic is we just separate for a short time for Painful Memories?
radiant ferry
is the mechagon trinket any good? modular platinum plating
sick sentinel
@lusty grotto dude
it's been a month
wait less
but still
3 weeks or so
I said the profile pic was temporary
rapid jewel
@strange plover Stack them at start to let people cleave with potion, after that get them appart. Painful memories is the majority of the fight. Work on reducing the space taken up from the goo they leave under you. Longing just is up for a short duration. If you have the dmg to kill them during second longing, stack them, if not, focus more on goo placement
strange plover
That helps a lot, thank you @rapid jewel
lusty grotto
johnny kaege!
rapid jewel
@strange plover when you hit second phase, you can reflect arcane jolt, reducing the stacks of arcane vulnerability you have to take.
strange plover
also good to know, thank you again @rapid jewel . We were basically just taunting off each other as soon as our debuffs dropped
rapid jewel
yeah 20 stacks is fine, but 10 feels better. later in the fight when she does more damage (due to charged blue runes) it takes a lot her damage away.
exotic spoke
Froze flame I think that trinket is garbage
remote ruin
hey guys, is the inscription trinket usefull if you dont have the diamon barrier?
and is the essence anima of death good for m+ yes or?
rapid jewel
trinket not really, more for druids. anima is ok, vop is better
potent anvil
anima is good, but it wont be my first pick for a major. and i wouldnt use it as minor.
warm plinth
You 445 yet Des?
potent anvil
no 😞
undone sun
Shame
potent anvil
maybe next tier
remote ruin
so you would better go with rezan+red haste card instead of rezan+inscrib trinket right?
potent anvil
i dunno what the inscription trinket does, but if it doesnt offer damage then yeah i would go rezan + red haste.
remote ruin
When you take damage, you have a chance to heal for 4298 health and gain 174 Armor for 10 sec, stacking up to 696 Armor.
thats the effect of the trinket
comes with ilvl 400 and 359 str arround the cornor
warm plinth
It's a defensive trinket which isn't really needed. I've heard good things about the DPS trinket from inscription but not sure how it compares to the punchcard
remote ruin
Your attacks have a chance to inflict Volcanic Pressure on the enemy, dealing 1126 Fire damage every 2 sec for 10 sec. When Volcanic Pressure reaches 6 stacks it erupts, dealing 17834 Fire damage to all nearby enemies.
this is the dps trinket
exotic spoke
I’d use sundering over that
Over the tank one personally. But personally try out the mechagon (cyclonic / punchcard) trinket
oblique garnet
@warm plinth I have a surprise ad for you 😃
oblique garnet
Yes
warm plinth
😍
hardy kiln
Sockets worth like 15 ilvl for prot like it is for dps?
undone sun
No, maybe on rings but that's it
hardy kiln
K cause i have a crit haste socket 410 and jsut got a 420 vers mastery i assumed was better anyway just wanted to check
distant gyro
I havent tanked on my warrior in a long time and I was wondering what the best combination of azerite traits would be for raiding.
rapid jewel
3x bom + 1 DC, rest whatever you like
weary torrent
hey guys, is Vision still top tier in M+ or is Anima worth taking over it?
desert grove
CD on anima Major is too long to justify taking it imo
exotic spoke
It’s too tier
Top*
I’d use it. Anima is listed for survival purposes.
But avatar is likely still the go to - in my opinion- after testing
native quartz
exotic spoke
2 ppm
orchid token
is it different for warriors
because as far as i knew lucid minor is not ppm
it's a flat proc chance
exotic spoke
From my logs I’ve seen it average out to 2 ppm consistently over multiple fights.
sick sentinel
is lucid still the the go to minor then or there better survival alternatives
analog swift
Almost feel like lucid isn’t too helpful for warrior then as minor
I mean potential what 6-8 second reduction a minute ain’t bad
sick sentinel
Ye but I feel like The minor for anima of life would benefit so much more
broken ledge
BoD now drops like 100 AP per boss correct? or is it still 900 per?
sick sentinel
900
lunar jackal
guys quick doubt for m+. vision of perfection rank 1 or lucid dreams 3? (only minors)
warm plinth
What do you mean only minors? Vision should be your major
lunar jackal
on mythic plus?
warm plinth
Yes
lunar jackal
id rather have anima there ty
warm plinth
Then I think you should choose whichever one you would rather have.
oblique garnet
@broken ledge bod is 300 ap per bods
azure sapphire
Hey all, Do you think Idol of Indiscriminate Consumption at 385 is better than other strength - passive/actuive trinks at 410+?
warm plinth
No
oblique garnet
No
azure sapphire
even with 75% health heal on cd?
undone sun
That's taking into account everything about it, still no
azure sapphire
Thank you
dim blaze
anybody know if the essense off mechagon rank 2 is hard mode only?
got rank 1 off final boss but didn't get the blueprint to drop
normal mode
warm plinth
It's either a random drop or it only drops once you have rank 1. I very much doubt it's hard mode only.
dim blaze
wowhead said hard mode but every other site and dungeon journal seem to say any mode
Gonna assume it's just random drop
waxen cradle
how does Unstable flames rank against other dps traits for us I have been wondering ?
warm plinth
Depends what it's being compared to but it's a pretty strong DPS trait
humble tundra
quick question. on queen azshara. for P1, what is considered LOS for the adds? turning their backs or use console/pilar for los?
lunar mist
hi all, are the Anodized Deflector wrists any good ?
formal rune
Hasn’t it always been the better single target option
sick sentinel
ye but I didn't think it would be that much higher
I never really used it and still have leggo parses
is it the RNG play of it?
or is it PPM
zealous cargo
I just got the Anima of Life and Death (Essence). Is it any good, i don't see it on the icyveins list.
undone sun
it is in the guide https://i.imgur.com/QmrRJSP.png
junior spade
Prot warrior good for pvp too?
sick sentinel
yeah
willow scarab
why play prot when you can play 3x cyclotronic blast 2x focussing iris and instantly win
regal saddle
I remember when I first ran into that comp, it caught me so off guard
bold marten
Does prot pally actually do more dps than prot warrior🤔 ?
sick sentinel
brittle owl
single target yes
aoe warrior is still slightly ahead
especially since paladin doesnt scale as well with target count as warrior
sick sentinel
warr and pally both does really good damage but with all essences and trinkets we have to see after like a month
brittle owl
single target paladin is top, by a mile
sick sentinel
but i think for ST pally will be better
yea
havent played it but seen they are strong
brittle owl
always has been the case in bfa, and prob always will be
sick sentinel
i think prot warr was doing more damage before nerf
brittle owl
single target? not really
sick sentinel
but i was the tank in S2 so i dont know 😄
brittle owl
just by virtue of the fact that paladin has 2 dps cooldowns
but bod had very few if any(besides mekkatorque) pure st fights with no cleave whatsoever
you could cheese some form of cleave on any fight
making prot warr pull ahead
see that weird mongo iceblock strat that boost's guild did
hollow holly
is dreams end good for prot?
runic spruce
do we still want to go for 3xBoM?
round vortex
Lol that dude thinking he’s rivals with nerfclap 😂😂😂
remote tusk
Is this any good? Idk but I checked bloody mallet and it says its 3rd bis damage wise, correct?
40 lvl tf from wq..
sick sentinel
sim it
obtuse venture
quick question i noticed the weapon enchant for 8.2 has not changed. is quick navigation better than naga hide?
hardy holly
assuming i want the best possible offensive aoe traits
3x deaf crush, 1x BoM, 1x IF, 1x Callous Reprisal
right?
sick sentinel
If you are a true lad you run force multiplier
@hardy holly you need 3BoM
That's actually super wrong
sick sentinel
It's still the most overal dps
Nevermind me having 80% uptime on avatar in mplus with rank 1 vision major
hardy holly
oh yeah about the essence
exactly for the same job ( aoe dps ) i presume they are:
Perfection-Enhancing Gearbox <- MAJOR + MINOR
Regenerating Barrier of the Depths <- MINOR
and the other minor the one that reduces rage spent, don't see any other that could be good
sick sentinel
Have you tried reading a guide?
hardy holly
have read many actually
sick sentinel
Icy veins?
sick sentinel
Nevermind the wowhead one, stick with icy veins for the most part
Generally for aoe dps you wanna go 3BoM 3DC but that really gimps your survivability early , especially with a low ilvl shield
I would personally suggest you to drop 2DCs for IF or MS if possible
For essences the ones that performed the best for me was vision major and lucid dreams minor (I have r3)
hardy holly
what happens to the free ignore pain part of the effect of BoM
when you stack it?
you gain more than one? XD
sick sentinel
No it doesn't stack
hardy holly
so basically it's all for the mastery
sick sentinel
Yes
pallid turret
hi guys is there a haste cap? or do I just take every haste I get?
sick sentinel
@pallid turret no caps
hardy holly
talking about iron fortress
sick sentinel
@hardy holly by a lot
pallid turret
so there is no breakpoint where I want smth over haste
sick sentinel
Ideal setup is 3bom 1dc and 2(Iron fortress or meticulous scheming)
rigid wadi
what about stats in general guys Itough im good but i i have those aoe dps traits I lack suv see my pj
dunno if sacrify versa to more maestry or even crit
pallid turret
only 18%haste?
rigid wadi
normally i dont have problems with rage only sometimes incoming damage let me like 25-40 health
sweet kettle
fuck how your stats look just get more simple
sweet kettle
i hate repeating myself
rigid wadi
the question is its better get more maestry like 40? and sacrify versa?
rigid wadi
feel my block rate its low less than 30
sweet kettle
if you have same ilvl items simply use the one with the better stats
sweet kettle
what cap?
rigid wadi
dont worry about maestry versa or crit?
just haste I see
well thanks i will try that then
sand relic
what shoulders are better for m+ ranking n what traits should i run https://gyazo.com/9ac9566cace3e1433d523672f7cd8360
tanking
?
sick sentinel
hi. I have a pretty stupid question. My iLvl is 401, I'm running dungeons with 415+ people and find myself losing aggro pretty often. Is it the iLvl difference or just me being bad? I'm leaning towards me just being bad (hit 120 around 2-3 days ago) but it's worth asking
sand relic
just thunderclap and switch targets to get aggro on all
they will pull off u if they dont give u a chance to get aggro firsyt
if that happens just stun m taunt n keep clapping
lol
sick sentinel
does it get better later?
sand relic
ya
sick sentinel
I will look forward to that, then 😄
another question, currently, I have Anima rank 2, lucid dreams rank 1 and crucible rank1 with heart level 50. which one do I use as the major for m+? I'm leaning towards anima heavily. gives me a lot of health, yo. I know that I need to get me a vision but want to get myself more gear before going to mechagon. before reset, maybe
sand relic
ya anima
remote tusk
always pick specialization traits day
hasty nova
Yeah I know I’m not nerfclap rival ‘‘twas a joke, don’t get ur nickers in a bubble
sick sentinel
is like, 40k AP grindable in a day?
i need my neck at 55
ive been p azy
im at 53
deep cliff
Is it worth it having two Callous Reprisals?
I mean, the dmg reduction portion doesn't increase does it?
sick sentinel
is it? alright i might grind it out today for tuesday
novel temple
The DR does increase per trait
Though it’s a pain in the ass to keep up
But lucid makes it easy peasy at least to me
Still better to just get BoM, undulating, or treacherous though
willow scarab
Callous is probably the worst trait available
strong forum
^
junior ivy
be nice to fumeiyo
willow scarab
Yeah Necrys you big bully, be nice to me or i'll take your raid spot
oh... wait 😹😹 😹 😹 😹
strong forum
OwO
hardy geyser
🗑
orchid token
Watch out Azshara has 70% buff
Oh no the blue wards!
Quick use your magic mitigation err self heals
orchid token
I kind of wish I took the plunge not gonna lie
The months of maining one in legion are fun, having double jump on your main instead of only a funsie alt
strong forum
Just get a fatty edict
willow scarab
imagine playing a class the colour of pigs 😹 you coulda been the colour of grapes instead 😹 get a load of this loser
orchid token
Ur a fatty edict
strong forum
But here I am sitting with 415 edict that does half of a 415 diamond
Utter trash
But yes the 40sec is also giga shit
Takes fucking 400 seconds minimum to be at max value
That's most boss fights
orchid token
I hadn't actually done the math on the stacking speed
Was never going to use it in either form so i didn't bother looking into it
Big yuck to passive absorbs
strong forum
I tried it on a dungeon with physical absorb, did 2.5mil, 50% of diamond
This trinket gets way better with ilvl tho, so unless you get it on say 440+ it's not gonna be great
445 is literally twice the absorb of 415
Making it quite good, max shield is 180k every 40sec
strong forum
Well obv
But yeh... Its a defensive trinket, diamond is still best
Ashvane could compete
orchid token
Idol and chain are the only two defensive trinkets worth using in a raid setting
strong forum
But that's about it, chains could maybe find a use on orgo
orchid token
And at least for me in a dungeon setting too
But i know some do like their extra sustain in a dungeon
But passive constant effects are 100% worthless in a raid setting where you're only in danger for seconds at a time
Big chunks of their value tied up in helping you when you don't need help
hidden notch
is there a % of vert we are looking for?
azure sapphire
Does Brace for impact stack?
remote tusk
Yes
spark marsh
Anyone know how good the highborne compendium of bulwark stacks?
warm plinth
@hidden notch There are no goals or required breakpoints or caps of any kind for prot war stats.
junior ivy
hi
hidden notch
@warm plinth I was just wondering I’m am 20 crit haste 30 mastery 7 % vert 416ilvl and since this update I have been getting my ass destroyed in keys above 10
cinder pasture
That's most likely due to the increased difficulty from scaling
warm plinth
Everyone has. The scaling in dungeons was massively increased and the k values were changed, so until you get more gear and a better shield, you’re gonna feel a little tender.
hidden notch
Ahh gotcha
analog swift
Did a mother lode 16 last night
Holy shit
Terrible
Hearthing out and swapping to dynamo was good tho
sick sentinel
@ionic fern is lucid dream major bis because of the 788 leech?
(To all the lurkers in the chat this is indeed a ** joke ** )
undone sun
👀
ionic fern
I missed you too @sick sentinel 😄
sick sentinel
I generally try to avoid class discord on patch release
I mean I was reading #fury but only when the big orange name was in the chat
lusty grotto
johnny kaege!
plain dust
Taunt is off the GCD, and will let you get burst aggro.
undone sun
Makes threat more concrete for the potential of others pulling off
rocky gust
how do you know the amount of threat that's created?
it doesn't list that kind of stat on the ability
plain dust
It used to...
undone sun
Especially in a raid setting if both tanks are doing basically the same thing threat can get pretty equal
plain dust
They removed it from the tooltip, but it's still there.
undone sun
I'm sure add-ons like omen still work
plain dust
There was a large curfuffle about that some months ago.
undone sun
Nameplate add-ons have threat modifiers
steep lily
Anyone know of a good prot warrior WA set that correctly tracks avatar now? I've been using Khakhan's but there are some bugs with it atm.
undone sun
If they're already in combat, it can
But usually groups agro together if close enough
undone sun
Just st for warrior
rocky gust
thank you!
warm plinth
FWIW I think the BfA threat bonus is 350% of the damage done
rocky gust
so aggro is like a number, and whoever has the higher aggro the monster will go for him
sick sentinel
300%
warm plinth
See the last time I said 300 and someone corrected it to 350 x_x
So whatever, it's 300
undone sun
Yes, threat is directly related to damage output. Outside of taunt windows @rocky gust
warm plinth
So @rocky gust if you have x threat, melee (or people in melee range) have to do 110% of that number to peel off of you. Ranged (farther than like...10 yards) have to do 130% of that threat.
warm plinth
No, it's anyone that isn't currently tanking
That's just the threshold that has to be met to actually peel off someone
rocky gust
oh you mean when que in dungeon for tank role ?
warm plinth
It would be the same for you as a tank if a melee got aggro. You'd have to pass them by 10% to regain aggro
It's just easier for a tank to peel because you get the 300% bonus to your threat
warm plinth
If you're in melee range, yes.
warm plinth
Mostly because DPS do more damage than tanks. If we didn't have a bonus to our threat, we wouldn't be able to hold aggro off anyone.
warm plinth
Taunt forces the enemy to attack you for 3 seconds, and during that window you generate a massive amount of extra threat on that target.
warm plinth
Right
rocky gust
thanks!
warm plinth
No worries
shut summit
raid
undone sun
azshara raid
acoustic hazel
+5 keys give 415 ilvl this week yeah ?.
oblique garnet
yes
acoustic hazel
cheers.
sick sentinel
dude wait i got 0 AP from island lol
i got like 300
from one mythic run
i need like 30k
lol
void berry
450 from each mythic island actually
oblique garnet
yeah
sick sentinel
So i'm noticing a lot of prot warriors using devastator
has it become the better talen over booming now?
in logs?
it's only used for parsing ST dps
that's it
ahh so booming is stil the better overall for mitigation and of course M+
yes
undone sun
yes
sick sentinel
I thought that me be the case, but thats why i came here to check 😄
rocky gust
in the #268491842637660160 it says not to use Pawn
but what if i used Raidbots and copied the Pawn string from there
should i not do that?
im new to this
junior ivy
thyme are you home now
ionic fern
@rocky gust rather sim your different gear combinations and just use what comes up on top.
Pawn's stat weights change with every gear of piece you equip/change,.
spice ferry
Also almost always wrong because nobody changes their weights themselves
So many people install pawn and never update it to get new weights
sick sentinel
just follow my gearing guide tbh
haven't sent that anywhere for a solid month or 2 lmao
spice ferry
You wrote a gearing guide?
sick sentinel
What kind of overall dps are you all getting in 10 to 13 keys this week? I cant seem to get above 17k as 420ish ilvl. Went from 22k on similar affix on reaping
silk loom
I've been watching a few videos of Sense and he has a fantastic UI, does anyone know if he shares his Elvui or addon list?
sick sentinel
Are you pulling multiple packs this week? Between emissary and bolstering Ive been doing single packs
silk loom
Ah that's great thank you
orchid token
ha!
blizzard thinks i will pay 1.5k for 500 ap for 5 coarse leather bardings???????
they are absolutely correct.
strong forum
Man azshara is proper hard
orchid token
easily the hardest week 1 aotc in a while
strong forum
Transmission 2 really fuck us up
oblique garnet
azhara was basically did you get intermission clean? Ok you did good job now just kill the training dummy
strong forum
We have like 15 pulls, gonna put in a few more raid nights and see how it goes
Haven't had a single clean pull yet and general autism
But yeh, after you kill Serena and venom tongue its pretty much gg
sand relic
12
arctic sedge
Azshara was pretty easy on normal once you got the hang of it all
I don't know what it's like on HC tho
strong forum
Well talking HC, not normal, normal you can just brute force
stable cedar
is there a benthic bis gear llist for prot ?
last mason
Pins
fiery fjord
does anyone know next weeks m+ affixes?
half crow
anyone here know about the trinket [Edicts of the Faithless] that drops from council in eternal palace, if that trinket is any good?
potent anvil
man r3 lucid major gives you huge leech 🙂
sick sentinel
this discord is full of leech apostates 
potent anvil
I like it as a major tbh. With the current VoP bug, you can get 40s of avatar for aoe or a boss fight without relying on VoP rng proc. Albeit every 2 mins does seem like a bummer.
oblique garnet
I know right deswind the leech is massive im out healing healers all the time in dungeons 8)
potent anvil
I have like 24% leech with it active. It's huge 
oblique garnet
i mean i wouldnt go as far as to use it as major on prot
you would just be spending all your rage overcapping on ip :/
onyx vessel
Vision of prefection vs anima of life and death for m+
shut summit
vop personally
potent anvil
yeah, i just spam IP since there's nothing else to use it on other than the occasional revenge. but this way you can drop avatar to 20s during lucid which is kinda fun.
but i still dont feel any of the majors to be super impactful or fun tbh. i like cof just to dps though so there's that.
onyx vessel
Does the major proced avatar give bastion?
oblique garnet
yes
shut summit
a weaker version ye
potent anvil
yeah, i'll most likely default to VoP major. but having no active essences as a tank 😞
shut summit
20 ml rixxa was fun
warm plinth
Did you actually finish that?
onyx vessel
Bolster and grev
potent anvil
r3 nullification dynamo, think about the big brain plays on rixxa, every 2.3 mins
onyx vessel
Fuckin aids
warm plinth
tfw you're doing +20s in 77 minutes and I'm doing +12s in 77 minutes
🙃
Are you putting it on YT?
potent anvil
i dont have a high key since i didnt push for one last week 😞
i at least got a 17 done
oblique garnet
same
potent anvil
im saving residuum for 8 weeks anyway, my big brain play to get me out of mythic prog since i'll probably be undergeared for not having good azerite. ez
potent anvil
I'd imagine it would be capped? I dunno though.
warm plinth
Yeah maybe, though tbh if you can finish a +20 this week, you deserve more XD
shut summit
26k residuum atm, should be enough for piece tomorrow
potent anvil
I assume you can get r2 conflict and strife on reset too, with 1k rating.
wispy plume
Are y’all still defaulting VoP major and Lucid minor for m+? Got some 17-19s for tonight
potent anvil
It's a solid setup. I would use Sphere major sometimes with VoP minor. Don't think it makes a huge difference.
sick sentinel
I like sphere
I used it before I got vop
My sphere is staying r1 though, ain't nobody got time for honour farm
wispy plume
Gotcha thanks @potent anvil
oblique garnet
Wow straight up ignoring @sick sentinel xd
wispy plume
Well I thought he was replying to Des lol
oblique garnet
Its a joke
sick sentinel
I'm hurt
half crow
so anyone here can tell me if the trinket [Edicts of the Faithless] is any good? xD
from eternal palace
drops from council
analog zinc
looking at rio usage stats & warrior is still on top, I thought y'all got nerfed or something?
orchid token
@half crow sux
For multiple reasons
Unless you get one way higher ilvl than current trinkets in which case you might use it purely fit the strength
half crow
@orchid token I just got it today with 430 ilvl, I had the one from opulence from before
orchid token
Pick whichever of the two are averaging more absorbs per minute
Idk prism sucked too so that's an easier one to replace
half crow
@orchid token what trinkets would you say is best defensive for warriors?
orchid token
Idol from uunat and chain from zaqul
rapid wren
will this zuldazar emissary go up in ilvl if i save it for tuesday?
orchid token
No 415 seems to be the new max
rapid wren
sweet thanks
orchid token
That's just me conjecturing however, it's possible that does go up
You don't lose anything by completing an and waiting to turn it in until after reset
from a pure azerite power point of view it's always better to have three emissaries to hand in after reset anyway
silk loom
@shut summit Would you mind sharing what WA/Addon gives you verbal warning about high energy(rage) or knock? I've been watching your streams and it looks really helpful to struggling Tanks?
wide slate
a little late here, but is somebody really trying to say the opulence tank trinket sucked?
cause that would be REALLY far from the truth
orchid token
If you can explain how it saves your life without referring to healing meters im all ears
Then I'll explain why you're wrong after
undone sun
that's not to say it's a bad trinket, by default it is good. it just by no means a life and death modifier
analog zinc
i defo disagree with that one
orchid token
Prefacing this with saying the original discussion is regarding raiding, the trinket gains value in m+ and although i still would not use it, i can see why people would
But as far as raiding goes it's completely useless at keeping you alive
analog zinc
it's a ton of healing, reducing the external healing you need, I don't understand how that can be considered bad
orchid token
Because total external healing required is a useless metric for staying alive in a raid
analog zinc
no, but it's a good metric for telling how tanky you are
orchid token
in a raid you are completely safe for the majority of time you spend tanking. The risk of death comes during brief moments of danger when damage is bursting, your mitigation is down, or healers are stressed with a raid mechanic.
warm veldt
is brewmaster staggar considered a form of mitigation?
orchid token
a huge portion of the value of passive absorb trinkets like edict and prism is being delivered to you during time periods when you are completely safe
orchid token
And during the few moments where you are actually in danger of dying you need something that is going to provide you more than a couple of tens of thousands of absorb
most of the time the damage that any given tick of prism absorbed could have easily been covered by a rejuv or lifebloom that will be on you anyway
Instead it absorbs it and the rejuv tick overheals instead
Looks great on meters but actually accomplished nothing
And then when the boss does their big burst you've got, at best, 15-20k shield to help with it which is essentially nothing
And you've invested an entire trinket slot for that tiny shield
When you could have had an on demand 200k+ heal from an Idol or a 50% DR cooldown from Chain
undone sun
i mean, you are comparing completely separate use trinkets
also The risk of death comes during brief moments of danger when damage is bursting, your mitigation is down, or healers are stressed with a raid mechanic. you just described most of progression
which is where defensives can be more useful
orchid token
No, I'm not, I'm pointing out that the use-case for passive absorbs is a use-case that isn't worth pursuing
They reduce EHRPS and there are few situations in raiding where that is of any use
Not at the opportunity cost of a trinket slot
undone sun
if you generalize it to overall ehrps maybe, prism is consistency, while the other two are recovery and spikiness
orchid token
It's consistency which isn't required in raid tanking because raid tanking is inherently consistent
Tanking any raid boss is long periods of boredom and safety interspersed with brief moments of terror and panic
A trinket that spreads its value across the safe periods and dangerous periods equally is of very low value because it spends a bunch of its item budget helping you when you don't need help at the cost of barely helping you at all when you do need help
undone sun
not really saying otherwise, yes "proc" trinkets that are similar in nature are objectively worse because of those reasons
it's a good trinket by default
orchid token
Absolutely, but at least a proc is powerful while active and can theoretically be played around
zealous trellis
I haven't checked in here at all for ages, how is everyone!? whats the go with our essences?
orchid token
There's nothing you can do to make prism help you stay alive, it's just going to expend itself mostly on harmless damage that HOTs could have covered and then when you really need it the trinket goes hey heres a 18k absorb for this 300k burst lol enjoy
junior ivy
which one is grievous again
rustic prairie
the one that does damage when youre below 90%
formal rune
That’s really a healers thing
rustic prairie
i have no way to heal really besides victory if i take the talent
oblique garnet
not really
if you are undergeared and doing massive pulls sure
but grievious is 100% healer affix
formal rune
I personally find monks or Druid’s deal with it fairly easy. Disc priests I’ve had the worst experience with.
orchid token
Maintain a victory rush charge as often as you can and use it to boost yourself above 90 for those moments when you're on high stacks and the healer manages to get you to 87% and can't quite finish it off
lavish oracle
How's Arcane Heart in M+? obviously the healing effect is pretty much useless but the stat buff seems like it'd have a solid uptime
sick sentinel
yo is EP essence good for prot? im debating making one for prot or off spec
umbral forge
@orchid token yes you're here. I have question
@oblique garnet have you killed Heroic Azshara yet?
umbral forge
On the two Lady Vashj adds, do we nuke the first then let the other simmer for a bit with an interrupt rotation going while bringing Azshara down to ~42% before finishing her off or something? We kill both with Azshara at 55% left
oblique garnet
Uhh we just killed the serena one first and after it was dead we cleaved the last one down and it died while we phased the boss
umbral forge
But we kill second add at 55%
orchid token
Ideally they happen at the same time
umbral forge
Yeah
orchid token
Kill it slower
Kill Serena first because she starts with less energy and can be killed before she shields
oblique garnet
You kill the venomtongue add when the boss is at 55?
orchid token
Then just cleave Lady
oblique garnet
The 2nd add?
umbral forge
Yes. My guild doesn't practice PTR testing and no guides we found online mentioned not doing it
oblique garnet
Im not sure if i understood you correctly jettom
umbral forge
We kill Venomtongue at 55%
orchid token
Tanknotes talks about it
umbral forge
Ahh
oblique garnet
And phase the boss ?
orchid token
But yeah the second add will need to live for a while
umbral forge
Then we die, yes.
oblique garnet
Are you like actively cleaving boss while killing the adds or ?
orchid token
You'll usually get a second myrmidon
umbral forge
Yeah we pull boss on trash
oblique garnet
How
orchid token
If you focus adds and cleave on to boss then 55% is about right
oblique garnet
When you go kill the 2nd add just focus boss while cleaving the add
umbral forge
Aight
orchid token
Obviously it's wrong which i think they know now
umbral forge
Thats what I thought
Yeah I'm not the raid leader, but I felt we were messing up
So after raid tonight I watched sco, maxim etc stream their HC kills and went over logs
That seemed to be it
orchid token
it's one of those fights where there are quite a lot of moving parts and doing one of them badly makes doing the others correctly even harder and you end up messing those up to
So it can feel completely chaotic and impossible to fix until you just start to get everything coming along nicely
umbral forge
It's a phenomenal fight.
We get to the snake adds consistently
Only 3 people struggle with degrees
oblique garnet
When we first got to last phase our rl forgot that we had to click console so naturally we wiped LUL
oblique garnet
He forgot that in nm aswell xD
umbral forge
Also our WW killed me thrice with charged spear 👌
I just AMS if I see he gets it now
orchid token
Are you that on the edge defensively that an extra 35k kills you?
umbral forge
He makes the spear hit a pillar
oblique garnet
This kills the raid
umbral forge
He got better at it I mean its a new fight for everyone
orchid token
The spear is very poorly worded
Seems to take every group a while to figure out exactly how it works even though it's obvious in retrospect
oblique garnet
Yeah doesnt help that for some reason first few pulls many people had like 5 fps
oblique garnet
Sure
oblique garnet
Ill pm you helpful weakaura
umbral forge
thank
orchid token
Disobeying some of the decrees gives you stacks quicker than some others so it might not have been him disobeying for an extended period of time
fair crystal
got his one from mecha what's the low down seems pretty good
west turtle
maybe late for asking, but what are the prot benthic BiS?
are they just going to be flat out better than the other pieces if socketed, like what happens to other specs
regal nest
@fair crystal i think that trinket is pretty useless. How much dmg reduction it gives?
fair crystal
about 3%
regal nest
meh
fair crystal
reckon you still get more Value out of haste trinkets
regal nest
PCD with overclock is nice
fair crystal
Im running a 405 Prism and the 415 Plating right now
seems pretty solid been trying for a good Gleaming Eye but also been looking at some of the new trinkets from EP and they look alright
regal nest
i've using JH and spores for a while, i dunno, looks ok to me
fair crystal
yeah been real slack with M+ last season so trying to get back on the boat again
JH is very nice
could never manage to get a good one though
regal nest
i've looking forward to s3 to get few new trinkets
sick sentinel
are spores big game after the trinket changes
orchid token
Do not think so
sick sentinel
shame
regal nest
i dunno, should i change it with PCD with overclock?
fair crystal
sorry but what's PCD
fair crystal
Ahh yeah dude chers chers
west turtle
I got 2 socketed pieces of Benthic, but I'm on the fence whether they are worth the proc for progression as a tank. I got gloves that give a HoT over time, but it just seems worth it on paper, has anyone cracked the math for tanks and not only for DPS?
oblique garnet
the benthic pieces are good for pushing dps as tank / highest ilvl pieces
arctic sedge
They are a pain to upgrade though, and if you get an upgrade (higher ilvl piece from m+ or raid) it would all have been a waste
oblique garnet
you can upgrade benthic azerite pieces to 430 thats nice
but it takes 350 pearls from 415-430
arctic sedge
Are the traits in the azerite pieces random or set
tranquil night
anyone have a weakaura for vision of protection to show up when its active ?
west turtle
so the only point for the Benthic pieces are for pushing DPS?
because when playing for progress I usually play more defensive/scared
strong forum
Benthic is only for dps purposes yes
sick sentinel
does anyone know if anima of life and death can crit?
flat vine
any1 got the current pawn string for prot wars ?
strong forum
Such a thing doesn't exist
sick sentinel
pawn is not a thing for any sort of character class
undone sun
especially tanks
sick sentinel
@tranquil night you can just make an avatar weakaura^^
celest briar
Pawn string for tanks...if socket then if ilvl >= ilvl+15 elseif ilvl > ilvl replace else dontreplace unless itemtype = trinket then throw it all out the window
And that's still not perfect lol
rapid jewel
15 ilevel per socket doesn*t count for tanks. Tankhandling in these addons always is bullshit. Its not simple math like dps.
brittle owl
just 👏 use 👏 common 👏 sense 👏
gaunt dawn
Pawn 🎣
oblique garnet
Thank you based Panthea btw
hazy dust
Should i be holding vial for avatar or using on cooldown?
winter geyser
Any detail on reflect and block abilities in EP? Reflect on Queen I note
sick sentinel
I hold personally
oblique garnet
@winter geyser in #268491842637660160 theres blockable and reflectable sheet
winter geyser
@oblique garnet cheers mate!
crimson furnace
guys, anyone knows if the lvl 2 of the essence from mechagon is a certain drop or we will have to farm it every week? cheers
versed nova
Hey guys I'm pretty new to the new Warrior tanking. I was in Operation Mechagon last night and the last half was a real challenging experience for me. I'm only 400 I LVL and I'm not optimal but what was killing me was all the spell damage, I felt like I had no way to mitigate it at all. Am I missing something? No I don't have the Nullification Essence either and is it necessary for a place like Mechagon? Thank you in advance for any help.
spice musk
i have so many Trinkets i dont know what to use 😅
exotic spoke
@crimson furnace I think it may be rng drop but not sure.
fierce juniper
Sorry for the delay. The Icy Veins guide has been updated for Season 3 / The Eternal Palace.
https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/protection-warrior-pve-tank-guide
You'll primarily want to check out the Azerite, Essences, and Gear pages.
exotic spoke
@spice musk that kind of depends on what you need / what m+ you’re doing. Do you need survivability or no?
oblique garnet
👏
spice musk
what would be the best DPS what the best survival?
sick sentinel
I feel like trajectory analysis for computation device can be good
you are getting pretty quickly ~15% dodge
exotic spoke
Rezan / knots a good combo. Rezan idol if you need survival imo
void berry
Ok, first MM+ tank season for me, Necrotic coming up... Something special to do to handle it ? Or just stun, heroic leap away ?
lusty grotto
lord merek with the early morning update
exotic spoke
I know right?
sick sentinel
New pin Pog
lusty grotto
johnny kaege!
mental scarab
Oh so anima of LIFE and death is no bueno now
brisk ferry
was it ever?
exotic spoke
It was originally listed as the option for survivability in m+
sick sentinel
How is this addon called, when something comes off cooldown the icon of the ability gets big but then fades away right after. It makes u aware that a cd came back up again. I dont really know how to explain it better
brisk ferry
sounds like a Weakaura
exotic spoke
Definitely sounds like a Weakaura
sick sentinel
Okay, do i find the string easily somewhere?
modern brook
mental scarab
Cd tracker
exotic spoke
I don’t know man, sorry. If it’s not there I wouldn’t know
exotic spoke
Don’t go spending too much money Nim
lusty grotto
Already bought a monitor lol
Dell ips cause my 2nd one has some dying pixels and it has been driving me crazy, cost me 350 with prime day
It has 9 years though
So it served me well :)
jagged bay
thx for updating the guide marok!
exotic spoke
Very nice nim
rapid jewel
you missed a nerf
sick sentinel
is the EP essence from the reliquary worth using for prot or are our other essences much better? im asking because i just got my 9th and i was thinking of using it for OS
but we do get more each week anyway, right?
tough vault
ngl with most essences for me it's just a "gotta catch 'em all" mood 😂
it won't hurt to have them and mess around with.
exotic spoke
It’s a matter of prioritizing the correct ones for maximum benefit.
junior rose
Is it impossible to get this artifact appearance now? It says I need at least AK 5 for it to spawn, but I didn't play my Warrior through Legion, just different characters. I read the tablets and went to the cave, but I never saw the emote "You hear a strange roar from the cavern ahead" and it's now in the pile of gold.
warm plinth
Yes you can still get it
Just have to go to the cave once a day until you see the emote (there's a script you can use to see if the quest was successful on wowhead, in case you miss the emoji)
junior rose
oh so it's sort of like a rare spawn? Only shows up on some days?