protection

[hasty nova]

there are few emissaries however that are a huge pain

[exotic spoke]

Wm17 in 65 minutes with zero previous exposure to emissaries

[hasty nova]

TD salt blast in front of jes howler with tide emissary for instance is going to be EXTREMELY hard on higher keys during fort weeks

[willow scarab]

FH18 in 90 minutes with zero previous exposure to emmisaries

[dense flame]

Not bad. Ended up failing FH 18. Group gave up.

[hasty nova]

and in KR there is a void in front of thrid boss room that will probably turn into a death skip on my 17 KR

[willow scarab]

I think to be fair we were joking around a lot by the end of it

[exotic spoke]

That’s easy Gus. Root the emissary and LOS pull back

[willow scarab]

zoning in and out to change gear/spec, going afk for a smoke etc

[exotic spoke]

We were too. Fucking DH suiciding to kill us all

Before coven fight

[dense flame]

The damage was pretty nuts in an 18 with grevious

[willow scarab]

You healer is really good to have healed the 17 triad tbh

FH first boss was doing unmitigated shots from 270k-340k

[exotic spoke]

That’s basically equivalent to 20 tyrannical I think?

[willow scarab]

no way higher

like 24

10 is 15
15 is 22

[exotic spoke]

We interrupted a fuck ton. I was upset when they kicked a reflect

[willow scarab]

so 17 is 24? 25?
my 18 was 26?

I think I tuned in for your triad kill

[exotic spoke]

How much does tyrannical buff it!

?*

[willow scarab]

30% iirc

[exotic spoke]

Multiplicative?

[oblique garnet]

17 is 23 ish

[willow scarab]

how does that make sense

is 10 is 15
and 15 is 22

[exotic spoke]

So if it’s 300% would tyrannical be additive or multiplicative? Ie 330% or 390%

[willow scarab]

+5 now = +7 in last season

so why would +2 now be +1 old

17 would be 24+

these sentences are bad but the math checks out

17 = 24+

I don't know how to explain 340k azerite shot on FH first boss in an 18 other than it being the same as a 26

[willow scarab]

Because the hard cap on timing a 26 was being one shot by that boss on the high key

[hasty nova]

i plucked this from wowhead, but honestly wowhead has not be reliable lately so take it with some salt

[willow scarab]

Why did wowhead also say current 10 is like old 15 then

Nothing addds up

[hasty nova]

yeah i think it is to early in season for them to have all the answers.

[exotic spoke]

Because I’m comparing new bosses with fortified versus old bosses with tyrannical.

If its multiplicative then the 17 now at 443% on fortified for a boss is roughly equivalent to a 21 tyrannical bod (332% *1.3

Gus that’s not what I have

[dense flame]

Yeah I was disappointed that we couldn’t complete the FH.

[errant shuttle]

azerite to the face feelsgoodman

[willow scarab]

An 18 fort FH one shotting dps though

[dense flame]

Even with the increased difficulty. Was kinda fun

[willow scarab]

that didn't happen in 23s last season

on tyrannical

🤔

[dense flame]

Yeah that shot was nuts

[hasty nova]

wow head also said max loot this week would be 420 in the end of week chest but my in game chest says next week's chest will be 440

[willow scarab]

next week is 440

[dense flame]

Then you get grevious

[willow scarab]

this week we just opened is 410

[dense flame]

On top of the major hits

[willow scarab]

bird poo shot grievous

[exotic spoke]

30% increase in base difficulty + change in k values for mitigation?

[willow scarab]

do k values affect my rogue getting one one tapped though

[errant shuttle]

can confirm i was bird poo shot grievous on a 16 and lost my 260k healthpool

[exotic spoke]

Yes

[willow scarab]

by 60k overkill

[exotic spoke]

Maybe?

[vast sedge]

Why weren’t you safeguarding him?

[exotic spoke]

If it’s physical damage - and with the increased scaling

[vast sedge]

🤔

[hasty nova]

can you intercept save rogue from bird shot? i have been intercepting rogue before that mechanic just cuz the other classes can survie it

our rogue on a 13 got to like 10% health

[willow scarab]

Why didn't you read discord before typing something stupid 🤔

[exotic spoke]

Lol

[vast sedge]

I did read it just sounds like you’re bitching

[willow scarab]

We zoned out for diamond + diamond on the ret pally + resounding on the rogue and safeguarded better

I'm allowed to complain about a key being hard

I was safeguarding

Just to make that clear in case you missed it

[vast sedge]

You never said that before hand

[dense flame]

[vast sedge]

Just talked about unmitigated hits and getting in an argument about math and key level

[hasty nova]

We were having a lot of trouble with powder shot this week on 13. On tyranicall i think that might be to hard of a mechanic. Maybe, i suppose we will have to see

[dense flame]

Regardless of safeguard. The key is tough

Plus multiple voids

[exotic spoke]

Fumeiyo, I felt like we had a lot of practice on WM 20s / 21s towards end of last season. We got coven boss to a pretty smooth rotation.

Honestly, I think smashed and gim (Druid And DH in my group respectively) are two of the best players I’ve ever played with in pve. Smashed is the best healer I’ve played with. I think our spriest was also healing a lot that fight to assist

[dense flame]

Some in decent spots

Some not so much

[willow scarab]

Druid is also really good for the boss with their kit

[exotic spoke]

And we went in with high spirits / low expectations. So not at each other’s throats, relaxed, and calm

Which helps

[willow scarab]

@vast sedge

2300 telling me to safeguard

[vast sedge]

Lmao thinking I read you’re conversation from yesterday

[willow scarab]

it's barely a scroll up

that was less than an hour ago

time zones are crazy

[vast sedge]

LOL you looked me up. Came back to the game a couple months ago. I don’t even know who the fuck you are

[willow scarab]

I've seen your name before so I wanted to check your dungeon experience

You're usually around the bottom of the top 10 for most bosses

[vast sedge]

Top 10 of what?

Oh logs?

Lmfao

[exotic spoke]

Eh, knowing experience of people is always nice to see their viewpoint / perspective

Either way fumeiyo. I don’t know? Small indie company. Coven actually felt easier than ever before

Were their abilities tuned down like other bosses while FH was tuned up?

Oh, I also went full defensive for last nights run to help counter k value / scaling changes

[willow scarab]

Curious to see how hard shit is as the seasons progress

Very grateful to have an 18 walking into this week

[exotic spoke]

Agree

[willow scarab]

I'm 700 TR off buying a 445 piece as soon as I open my cache

If only I had the numbers last week so I could have done a 23

[exotic spoke]

17 -> 16-> 15-> and by week 4 we should be able to push 14s I imagine

Rip. You’ll be able to scrap the piece you’re replacing

That should help?

[willow scarab]

Nope that's all factored into making me 700 short

[exotic spoke]

Do normal for chances at 415 to scrap?

[willow scarab]

We still have 2 raid nights left this week

so i'm praying I get 2 pieces to scrap

thurs/sun/mon weird day guild

[fluid beacon]

Quick question guys. About how much damage do you guys do with a Cynoic Blast as prot? ~200k? 250?

[willow scarab]

let me check log for you

[fluid beacon]

please and thanks. I've been trying to find logs

[willow scarab]

177k

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/xCjgATH2kXyRrdtJ#fight=4&type=damage-done&source=22

[exotic spoke]

We do 2 days - Tuesday / Thursday so we’re done at 6/8H

Got good info on recruits and I know two imncutting. One for performance and the other we may Gkick for attitude

[oblique garnet]

@willow scarab If you get azerite cache emissaries they give 400 residuum for 415

[exotic spoke]

It’s channel, can you block while using it fumeiyo?

[willow scarab]

We sped through 7/8H in one night just inside raid hours so hopefully clear up azshara and normal tomorrow at raid

If you pre block you can

That's true! I hope we get an azerite emissary tomorrow

[exotic spoke]

Really? Very nice. It’s why I was hesitant to use it

[willow scarab]

It was better last week when yo ucould cast while you used it

[fluid beacon]

Thanks @willow scarab

[noble forge]

it was also busted last week

[exotic spoke]

Yes - that’s what I hear. I’m surprised we can block while channeling it

[willow scarab]

Yeah it was great

I like busted

[exotic spoke]

Time to swap over to that me thinks

Yes yes I do

[junior ivy]

SEEV

YOUR PICTURE

IS ALSO A CAT

@noble forge

but its not as good as fumeiyos

[noble forge]

excuse you

[exotic spoke]

Mines a panda. Does that count?

[noble forge]

this is a selfie

showing the eternal suffering required to tank for idiots

[junior ivy]

i love it

[kindred rapids]

Is everyone running with. Devastor instead of BV?

[exotic spoke]

No

[noble forge]

dont think anyone is

[strong forum]

Only for parsing

[willow scarab]

It's just the top people on logs doing it because it's like 2k more dps

at the sacrifice of tankiness

[kindred rapids]

Yes it sacrifice a lot of survability

[strong forum]

Not alot

Cuz I can maintain 4 stacks of BfI

Easily

So that's a huge gain in a sense

The defensive upside of BV is just the additional rage gain

[exotic spoke]

I wonder how it ranks with increased up time of avatar in terms of survivability

[strong forum]

Idk if its that much higher

[exotic spoke]

Wait, do you mean you don’t think perfection gives you significantly higher avatar up time or am I misunderstanding

[strong forum]

I wasn't accounting the use of VoP

Or any essences

Purely BV vs deva

VoP is indoubetably very defensive

[exotic spoke]

Ah ok. Yeah, I was just curious about it with the change in uptime. Specifically since we have a lot more avatar up time

It may not be that much lower in terms of defensives

[willow scarab]

the biggest thing about BV is it makes you demo shout more often

because you want hte dps and the rage

so over a whole fight it does a lot more

[exotic spoke]

That’s true too.

[strong forum]

I've only just done my 1st deva raid ever so, ye forgot about that

Cuz I still Spam demo

Kek

[willow scarab]

you'll get use to not spamming devastate as well

[strong forum]

Ye that's the most annoying thing

Sometimes having nothing to press

Feeling instant anxiety

Where you neither have rage or ss/TC ready

[willow scarab]

and you can't see that it's doing so much passive work

but eventually oyu'll like it

[strong forum]

It's aight

[sick sentinel]

just parry every hit

free revenges

[strong forum]

I lost my 30% parry

:(

Literally lost 500 crit on Wed

Well I could Re-equip my 420 fh ring, but I have azshara ring with socket

And so does my cotank, we get like 500k healing per boss fight off of that, kinda sick tbh

[willow scarab]

that's pretty juicy tbh

[dusk locust]

do you have to be stacked properly for the tether on zaqul to hit both tanks? last night it didn't really seem like it mattered where we both were and who else was between us

and i thought we had to be stacked

[strong forum]

I'm not alone

Ninja pulling radiance with heroic leap

It's 25yd range @dusk locust so...

Pretty self explanatory, really

[dusk locust]

25yd but always hits the tanks?

i thought it would link someone else

[strong forum]

You can target wjo

Who*

Target your cotank or macro it, and boom

[dusk locust]

target them with the link?

[strong forum]

Click on your cotank

So he's your target

Then use the trinket

[sick sentinel]

what's a "nom heroic leap pull"

[dusk locust]

what

i think we're talking about different things heh

i mean the tether

[exotic spoke]

Nome, he’s asking something else

[dusk locust]

on zaqul

[strong forum]

Ah

That's always on tanks

[exotic spoke]

Yeah it matters - move together to minimize damage

[strong forum]

If your tank is dead, its someone else

And stay close

[scenic moth]

Unless the tank stepped too close to the orange

[dusk locust]

i was just not sure how the initial tether worked. me and my cotank were tightly stacking before tether went out each time

[strong forum]

If you're far away the tether does massive damage

[dusk locust]

so that nobody else got tethered

but i think i misunderstood how it worked

[strong forum]

It's always tanks, but stay close to minjmize damage intake

[exotic spoke]

Nah that won’t happen. You just take increased damage when you’re apart from one other

Who’s your cotank kauda?

[dusk locust]

he's a monk

[exotic spoke]

What class I mean

[oblique garnet]

You need guardian for the roar on zagul

[exotic spoke]

I hope you’re main tanking that fight

[oblique garnet]

Its huge

[dusk locust]

i am

[sick sentinel]

or feral

[dusk locust]

i figured it made sense b/c mitigation and physical

he's trying to pick up adds and i'm main tanking

[oblique garnet]

Ferals are rare breed

[exotic spoke]

K. My BDK was like “let me Mt I got some pulls in on a pug. “. I said sure for the first pull

Second pull I said I’m tanking him

[oblique garnet]

We just 3 tanked it

[dusk locust]

it also wasn't super clear to me what the cotank's job is since there doesn't seem to be a swap mechanic. is it just picking up the little adds?

[oblique garnet]

Well yeah if youre 2 tanking the cotank takes the adds

[exotic spoke]

That sounds like a viable option. The two tethered tanks get adds and the other tank gets boss?

Or vice versa late

[oblique garnet]

Only 1 other person gets the tether

3 tanking made the fight a joke

[exotic spoke]

Yeah. But did the two tanks tethered together tank adds or boss when you three tanked it

[oblique garnet]

Boss

[exotic spoke]

Solo tank picked adds

[oblique garnet]

Guy without takes the adds

[exotic spoke]

Kk

[strong forum]

@sick sentinel the 'nom pull' is me explaining radiance and heroic leaping on the side to emulate the knockback, which then pulled the boss.

Apparently sco did the same :kek:

[sick sentinel]

LMAO

[strong forum]

So... If you're at radiance on the ring, don't randomly use TC, it'll pull the boss

And you can't reset it

[sick sentinel]

I know you can't reset it

[strong forum]

Unless ghuun reset works

[dusk locust]

we accidentally pulled radiance 4 times when we first got there

[sick sentinel]

we tried reseting on normal

[oblique garnet]

hunter reset works but doesnt reset lust

[sick sentinel]

not fun

[dusk locust]

and ended up 1 shotting it when we actually pulled lol

[strong forum]

Kk

Radiance is a joke

[dusk locust]

so basically not pulling was harder than actually fighting it

[strong forum]

1st boss is the scariest of the first 3 bosses

[dusk locust]

we approached 1st boss totally wrong i think lol

overcomplicated it

[junior ivy]

kauda i like your picture too

[dusk locust]

haha thanks

didn't draw it i just found it somewhere

[oblique garnet]

i seriously hope mythic will be harder

[junior ivy]

i always think late's pic is an owl

when i first look at it

see the eyes?

[strong forum]

Court could be the 1st hiccup for mythic

Zaqul will the major roadblock

[dusk locust]

i'm betting ashvane will

that's going to be a super tight dps check and coral will have to be perfect

[strong forum]

Ashvane has to hit super hard / a ton of health to be scary

[tropic star]

was reading the above about 3 tanking the 2nd to last boss

why would you have the tethered people tanking boss? that just increases all the damage you have to heal?

[oblique garnet]

@junior ivy Its goofy

[junior ivy]

the dog?>

[oblique garnet]

yes

[junior ivy]

show me

[dusk locust]

does the tether cause each tank to take 50% of total damage or does the main tank take full damage and the cotank tanks half of that

[tropic star]

each half of the tether takes 50% of what the other half takes

[junior ivy]

wow

[tropic star]

so offtank is getting half of the boss dmg

and main tank still gets his by hysteria and half of the other tanks hysteria

and dread etc

[cosmic solar]

Not sure why 3 tanks would be needed. The offtank should be able to handle all the adds right?

[exotic spoke]

It’s not needed but it makes it easier. Conceptually it makes sense to me

It reduces the damage the tank who has the boss takes. Since that tank only really has to worry about the incoming boss damage - and not the adds

Means if the person taking the adds has to get out to pick them up, they can do that without increased damages on both tanks

It also means if the boss needs to move quickly the add tank can use movement ability and taunt it over to where it needs to go and the tethered tanks can pick it back up when they get there

[tropic star]

see

tethered tanks shouldnt be on the boss imo

[exotic spoke]

So, while not necessary, I can totally see how it trivializes portions of the fight and reduces damage intake

I think they should - especially if they have self healing like BdK. They can heal the damage back up while the one with more proactive mitigation minimizes intake

It eases the hps on healers

[tropic star]

by having the untethered tank on the boss you are stopping the bosses damage from multiplying

[cosmic solar]

Hm interesting. Tank damage wasn’t bad for us on the DH tank. It was dispels that were blowing us up

[exotic spoke]

It doesn’t multiple mcjiggles

It splits

And is shared. There’s a difference

Makav, it hurts if say a prot warrior ends up not actively tanking and being the tethered tank

[cosmic solar]

True

[exotic spoke]

VDH and BDK have a lot of self heals, which make them ideal for that role to me

[cosmic solar]

So the three tank strat is really just to minimize heals needed to tethered tanks when one is ripping boss across the room

And ease add dmg

[exotic spoke]

And help with mobility I imagine

[cosmic solar]

Might have to give it a try and see how it goes

[exotic spoke]

I can see how it’s beneficial. Not necessary, but beneficial.

[cosmic solar]

Yea same

Wonder if it’s worth the dps loss tho

Idk I’m just looking for strat theory, this boss on heroic looks like a roadblock for a lot of guilds

[tropic star]

so

im pretty sure it multiplies

looking through logs

[exotic spoke]

Why do you say that?

[tropic star]

monk gets stagger tick for 20k dmg

i get 10k mind tether

[cosmic solar]

What does the tooltip says for tether

[unreal scarab]

did anything change with the azerite traits in 8.2 ?

[tropic star]

Za'qul connects his current target and the closest player to that target within 300 yards with a mind tether. 50% of damage done to either player is reflected to their partner as Shadow damage.

Reflected damage is increased after the players seperate beyond 12 yards from each other.

If no other target is found, the current target suffers Snapped.

its reflected

doesnt say its also reduced

[exotic spoke]

Fair, I thought it said split not reflected

Adds do more burst dps - that’s why

Adds did 80k dps to the bdk I ran with when multiple where up. Boss only maxed out at 60k for a few seconds on em and usually was below 40k

[tropic star]

were they the adds you get after an add has been up too long

the adds the portal summoned didnt seem to do hardly anything

but if one lived too long it summodn a new add that was doing a shadow claw for 200-300k shadow damage on heroic

[exotic spoke]

Horrific visions - I don’t think so. I think they died quickly

And no - not shadow claw. Basic melee attacks -40k per attack but with multiple hitting at the same time

Individually not much, but with multiple it just makes more damage done in short bursts

It wasn’t the issue, but helping healers out so they can top people off more quickly seeks beneficial

[oblique garnet]

Lets see how bad 17 siege is

[brittle owl]

gl with third boss

[exotic spoke]

Oh?

[strong forum]

Siege should be aight, 3rd boss bleak water could hurt

[brittle owl]

^

bleak water hits like a truck

no mistakes allowed

[strong forum]

Ye. That's gonna be either a close call or clear insta

[brittle owl]

last boss is ez now withthe changes

17 should be doable

[strong forum]

Thank god for that

[brittle owl]

tried a 19

nope

[exotic spoke]

Ah
Yeah we don’t have a bunch of keys to us at 17.... we dropped 1 and still have 2 Kr

[oblique garnet]

what changes?

it still spawns tentacles no?

[sand egret]

not more than 1

according to the patch notes

[brittle owl]

confirmed

although

i did hear people get more

i only got the 1

initially i thought it was bugged, then checked pnotes

[sand egret]

@oblique garnet

[willow scarab]

big nerf tbh

you use to only spawn 2 if you did it properly

other than first platform

[sick sentinel]

why are you so late to the party

it is fixed already

it still spawns tentacles

[oblique garnet]

spotter doesnt work on emssaries is big yikes

[exotic spoke]

Late

On your three tank strat who where your tanks

[oblique garnet]

warrior guardian and pally

[jagged bay]

spotter works on the cc lady atleast on wednesday it did in my siege run

[exotic spoke]

Thanks late

[willow scarab]

Which boss are you 3tanking

[oblique garnet]

zagul

[exotic spoke]

Conceptually makes sense to me. Just was curious - having an officer discussion about it

[willow scarab]

we thought about it for add control

it makes sense and will pretty likely be 3 tanks on mythijc

[analog swift]

hm that's super intersting, we had some fuckups on zaqul last night

[willow scarab]

tanks are recieving 60% more dtps than mythic uunat

[analog swift]

@oblique garnet do you ever taunt swap on zaqul? or just run protwar/brew + self healing OT

[oblique garnet]

nah i was just tanking zagul all the time

[inland mesa]

We didn't get queen fish :( tried a 19 FH too, ouch lol

[sterile mantle]

Starting to get back into Prot warrior. what is the best azerite combo. Still good to run 3 bastion, 1 deaf, (whatever)

i mean essence combo

[inland mesa]

Bastion and deafening is azerite, essence is perfection lucid

[sterile mantle]

i figured perfection main lucid second

[analog swift]

that's what most are doing

[surreal plinth]

With the magic damage in this raid tier, has anyone played around with using bloodsport?

[oblique garnet]

3rd boss in siege was easy o.o

[exotic spoke]

So far nothing too bad

[oblique garnet]

yeah so

last boss siege does keep sspawning tentacles

100% unchanged

[exotic spoke]

Yup

But slower I think?

[oblique garnet]

nope

definitely not slower

[exotic spoke]

RIP

[warm plinth]

The Siege tentacles were bugged for like a day but it was fixed before wowhead even posted that it was a thing. We did a Siege before they posted it and it was already spawning all 5 tentacles again at the normal rate. I would not be surprised if the spotter thing is also a bug, but not sure on that since I've never done that strategy. The maggots in WCM were still bursting but apparently they don't bolster (as far as I've heard) so I'm guessing that's a bug that just hadn't been fixed yet when we did it right after Siege.

[oblique garnet]

they dont bolster

[warm plinth]

So very likely that, if anything, the spotter change is the only real change. But haven't heard anyone confirm/deny yet.

And it still wasn't in the notes from Blizzard so I doubt it's real

[exotic spoke]

So the way to do that boss was removed lol

[warm plinth]

I didn't realize it was that common to use the tentacles tbh

[exotic spoke]

Also late, do you control who gets tether? Is it the closest two tanks?

[warm plinth]

Er

[exotic spoke]

At high keys

[warm plinth]

To use the spotter on the tentacles

Well, again, that may not actually be a real change. Have you tried it since the season started?

[exotic spoke]

Nope, hadn’t done a siege over 8

[modern brook]

what are the intial thoughts on beguiling

[oblique garnet]

Its just bothersome

[warm plinth]

Eh, I don't think beguiling is the majority of why keys suck right now, but that's all I'll give it 😂

[oblique garnet]

its not bad

its gonna be fun the first few weeks of figuring out how to deal with them best

[warm plinth]

It's really not that bad, but it does slow you down in some cases which is annoying

[modern brook]

I havent done keys yet, but it struck me as something that was solved before you entered the key

[oblique garnet]

after that its gonna be just annoying

[warm plinth]

Yeah it's a fixed weekly rotation I believe they said

[oblique garnet]

nah bull you have to get creative with some of the things because they are in awkward spots

[warm plinth]

Oh, I thought he was meaning that they were in fixed spots before you put the key in

[modern brook]

I meant both, tbh

Similar to how Infected was a non-affix / completely run ruining depending on the rng

[oblique garnet]

Like for example on siege on the first spotter

There was a void emissary

and then in the 3rd boss room there was enchanted emissary on the left and tides one in the back

[warm plinth]

Yeah the void in the spotter pack was irritating because the artillery doesn't damage them

[analog swift]

im really liking beguiling but it just might be because it was new

[warm plinth]

But at least they made them unaffected by affixes on live...imagine them getting bolstered 😬

[analog swift]

went to do a temple "lets shroud here ....fuck"

i think they are still buffed by fort

[warm plinth]

Oh, is there a void in the first part of temple?

[analog swift]

yeah

void there

[warm plinth]

RIP lol

[analog swift]

up the hill

where the first dusk shit is

and then two in the orb room

[warm plinth]

Freehold was pretty okay. No really irritating ones in there and most had a convenient LoS spot

[oblique garnet]

What?

[analog swift]

yeah the los is easy

[oblique garnet]

no there wasnt

[warm plinth]

Wasn't what?

[oblique garnet]

freehold was awful

[warm plinth]

What? Why?

[oblique garnet]

there was emissaries literally everywhere

[analog swift]

he was talking about void ones

[warm plinth]

Yeah but no bad ones 🤔

[oblique garnet]

most of them were on really open areas?

[warm plinth]

I mean, there were some that made you have to do the pull differently but they weren't like oh fuck this is impossible

We didn't pull like...any of the ones in the open areas

Except the one on the bridge going toward shark boss

Which was an enchanted and easily dealt with

[sand egret]

how are ya’ll dealing with the reflect one? have your dps keep smackin it? pets?

[analog swift]

resto just knocks it back

a bitch on greivous but yeah

[warm plinth]

We had our hunter deal with it in one run and a frost mage dealing with it in the other. Didn't have good heals/tanks for it.

[analog swift]

they port pretty quickly, move adds if you need to

[warm plinth]

DK/priest makes for bad enchanted management lol

[strong forum]

The void behind the bridge to 4th boss is litrally insane

[analog swift]

also the tides one makes keeps going when it is transporting

super annoying

[strong forum]

Retarded with melee

[warm plinth]

Like where that commander patrols to Nome?

[strong forum]

Ye

[warm plinth]

We actually skipped that with warlock gate on one of the FHs we did

Made up the forces elsewhere

[analog swift]

@warm plinth we ended up pulling liek 120% in the TOS, gotta find the good shroud points but was too afraid to use it anywhere lolol

[strong forum]

Impossible with melee setup

We did get perfect count though

Somehow

[warm plinth]

Well keep in mind that only the void emissaries can see stealth

The others are shroudable

[strong forum]

Imagine having rogues

Kek

[warm plinth]

Well, or invisable

:p

[strong forum]

Strat will prolly be to use skyaggl

And cba

[analog swift]

oh yeah but ew didn't know where a void would be

[warm plinth]

Yeah I got you

[analog swift]

oh

there was also a void after snake boss

you can still shroud the bridge down

[warm plinth]

That's shit lol

[analog swift]

but every other common shroud is gone

[warm plinth]

Like in the tunnel with the elemental?

[analog swift]

which imo was a lot of fun but definitely caught us by surprise

yeah

i mean you could still maybe shroud the first one

[warm plinth]

Eh that's not as bad as if it were like...with the dervishes lol

But on PTR there was one in the dervish pack so I'm guessing we'll see that another week

[analog swift]

yeah yeah

i was more focused on shrouds then anything

cuz legit

idk what we could have skipped in that dungeon

i guess we could skip the first two...and the bridge

that's legit it

maybe some of the mobs after the first maze

and the lightnig guy after the 2nd maze

that's about all that you can skip this week

which made it fun af

[warm plinth]

Idk killing 120% isn’t particularly fun lol

To me

[lusty grotto]

sloot playing prot pal lmao wat happen to vdh

[sand egret]

Imagine if that idea of castable LoS as a Prot utility was in play. BiS on them Void dudes

[warm plinth]

Lol

[lusty grotto]

i gotta level up enchanting christ

[sand egret]

and ya'll wondered why I said it'd be "problematic" 😃

[lusty grotto]

grinding rep on alts sucks dick

[analog swift]

as long as i don't feel the need to bring a rogue to every dungeon

only one rogue in the guild

[sand egret]

he should start chargin for shrouds

"gotta pay for that vanishing powder, yo"

[warm plinth]

10k per dungeon. Does nothing but follow in stealth and shroud at certain points

Lol

[analog swift]

also im astonishing they didn't add back in the buff from bwomsamdi in some version

astonished*

[sand egret]

oh yeah I was meaning to ask...there's no training wheels mechanic post-fail

[warm plinth]

Yeah tbh when I saw her say kneel to your queen, I thought there was gonna be like her image in there somewhere and we’d have to kneel to it to get the buff.

But nope

[sand egret]

does anything happen? Emissaries vanish?

[warm plinth]

Nope. She just says something and that’s it

Nothing else changed that I could see

[sand egret]

hmm wonder if they ended up not liking the fact that it made completing a key easier (ilvl creep) or if they realized people just stopped leaving keys as much on fails.

seems like a pretty calculated omission, imho.

[warm plinth]

Yeah idk. It’s gonna be missed though.

Right you don’t implement something like that for a season and just scrap it for no reason.

[sick sentinel]

guys should i go Belf female? how do they look as warriors? my DK is female belf but i feel like i like female belf way more than other races for some reason

[warm plinth]

Look it up on wowhead. They have a dressing room

[sand egret]

that's a weird way to write "dwarf"

but yeah, it was like a targeted mechanic to curb player behavior. Seems really odd to omit, so I imagine that behavior ended up changing that was independent of the mechanic

[ivory peak]

My raid team has me a prot warrior and another prot pally as the tanks. For Zaqual wouldnt it be better to have me tank the boss and the pally take the mind tether? It looks like the majority of the boss damage is melee which I feel as a warrior we can mitigate much better than paladins, and i feel useless against the damage from mind tether , but the pally could self heal and other stuff?

[junior ivy]

hi

[analog swift]

That’s how we’re doing it too

Pallies have a lot of flat resist as well

[inland mesa]

Yes crippie, or just 3 tank and trivialize it. We did me on boss bdk off tank

[frigid heart]

if its a problem and youre out of SB charges just have him taunt for a sec while you recharge again, but you shouldnt need to

[pearl escarp]

Anyone know if theres a point where you don't want more haste?

[warm plinth]

There is not.

[modern brook]

can we pin that?

[sick sentinel]

anyone playing pally and warry in myth+? is warry still doing more dps for you guys? its pretty equal when i play them tbh

[modern brook]

thats the 4th person to ask today

[warm plinth]

You're assuming people check the pins before asking Bull. They do not.

[modern brook]

yeah but im tryna ppl

[warm plinth]

I'll check your pins

[modern brook]

Can we at least get an emoji of Marok saying no?

[warm plinth]

You could just use

[modern brook]

re: pally vs warrior - in my experience, warriors still out damage paladins, but i havent played with very many protpallys

so its possible my sample is biased

[warm plinth]

Depends on what essences they have too I would imagine

[pearl escarp]

Can't see anything about haste in the pins, but thanks.

[modern brook]

I mean its in the guide thats in the pins;

the long and short of it is go for ilvl

[crimson furnace]

..are people switchign away from booming voice and using devastator??

[brisk ferry]

no

[crimson furnace]

this is for raiding

[warm plinth]

Devastator is for DPS on pure single target, nothing else

As soon as you add a second target, Booming Voice takes the lead again. And BV is better defensively at all times.

[modern brook]

yeah thats some end of tier jaina parse meme shit ur talking about

[crimson furnace]

oook

cuz even my roation feels off

since i have dead times alot

and with BOOMINg is so smoth

[warm plinth]

Yeah, you should be using Booming Voice 99.99999% of the time, and the other .00000001% of the time is only if you're trying to get parses on single target fights.

[modern brook]

that only accounts for 99.99999001% of situations Ghash

[warm plinth]

I didn't count my zeroes, sue me

[undone sun]

K

[crimson furnace]

super, ty u guys!!

[warm plinth]

Thyme you're so eloquent

[modern brook]

Oof, vengeance is the 3rd talent on that tier.

how the mighty have fallen, eh?

[junior ivy]

thyme

[modern brook]

⌚

[sly prism]

is there a list of which benefic gear is good for prot?

[spiral ravine]

Hey guys do any of you knows which affix combination will be up next week?

[warm plinth]

Kinda hard to say because they keep changing shit. It looked like it was going to be backwards from the existing rotation, but then two combinations so far have been changed (this week was bolst/griev/tyr before, not fort, and burst/quake is now burst/volc)

So maybe teem/explosive/tyrannical? But that's purely a guess

[analog swift]

tbh that would make sense

tyr+ greiv was gross

teem+fort in any kinda is fucked up

[warm plinth]

domaiN is tracking the new affixes so we'll either notice a trend soon or we'll have to wait a few months to get a new schedule

[spiral ravine]

Yeah I noticed they are messing around with the schedule , I thought there was a new one established already, guess we will just have to wait and see , ty!

[warm plinth]

But keep in mind if they do teem/exp/tyr, then if they continue the next one would be raging/volc/fort which would be fucking awful.

So I'm guessing we'll see some switch-ups

[analog swift]

volc is nothing

raging is nothing

[warm plinth]

Raging/fort is god-awful

[analog swift]

i mean yeah it's bad

but that's still a decent week

[warm plinth]

It's like...really bad

[analog swift]

soothe?

gg

[warm plinth]

You have a 10 sec CD on soothe

Can't soothe every mob

[minor sundial]

guys

what about

Anima of life and death essence

it is good for us?

seems good

[analog swift]

Eh

If you like screenshotting details and memeing sure

[minor sundial]

ohno :c

then what is ur advice

[warm plinth]

Vision major, Lucid minor for now probably

[minor sundial]

and if my neck isnt 55 yet

so i can choose one

[sand egret]

ooo that Void Emissary nerf

glad I didn't have to deal with the OG version

just in time for me to do my keys this weekend 😎

[spiral ravine]

What was nerfed ?

[sick sentinel]

her hide stacks are now a debuff on you that you can get rid of by LOS/OORing her casts

instead of a perma buff on her

[spiral ravine]

Sounds great

[sand egret]

Yeah, from a self-buff to an applied debuff. Now there's way more counter-play invovled

since you can immune the debuff etc

[sick sentinel]

whats the fastest azerite grind atm

[sand egret]

it's also an 11 sec duration so every other one you LoS keeps you taking only the min damage

[warm plinth]

Mythic islands with a premade group probably

Like a legit premade group I mean. Just to clarify

[sick sentinel]

aww, so even for aoe dps purposes the big hits from Anema doesn't outweight more avatar?

was having fun using the essence for big burst

with Visions as minor

[exotic spoke]

Pvp islands best islands

It’s really just who are the better pve-ers

[strong forum]

Haven't played with anima yet

But I assume VoP is still better

[sick sentinel]

whats the plan for 2nd minor in M+ then

or are ppl planning on using

sphere?

[exotic spoke]

Still messing with lucid right now.

Maybe sphere maybe CoF

[wild sandal]

how good is platinum plating trinket for m+? i feel the CD on it to long

[exotic spoke]

I think it’s garbage.

With how much we mitigate we tend to want to go for offensive trinkets too

[wild sandal]

ok, sticking with vial then

[sick sentinel]

you might wanna look into getting the trinkets from Lady Ashvane and Orgozoa

both sim really high

Ashvane in particular if you're M+ focused

(dps trinkets, you'll have to change loot spec)

or getting the Sundering inscription trinket, i think its better than almost any other 430

[strong forum]

its very good for dps ye

[umbral forge]

https://i.imgur.com/Rplm4nv.png oh my god

[warm plinth]

Only 19 mil? Pshh

[umbral forge]

https://i.imgur.com/8DWStyT.png

DID IT BOYS

[warm plinth]

How far over was it?

[sick sentinel]

does +5 give 415 loot?

+6

kk

[umbral forge]

@sick sentinel +5 gives 415 too

[warm plinth]

5 and 6 both give 415 loot.

[umbral forge]

@warm plinth just 1

[sick sentinel]

oh shoot, i thought it capped at 6

[warm plinth]

yeah I think officially that's the cap but it just so happens they give the same ilevel

[umbral forge]

.....hour

[warm plinth]

Eh, gonna get some nice TR though!

[exotic spoke]

I am disappointed Jettom

It’s because you didn’t have Vic

[umbral forge]

absolutely not

[warm plinth]

22,400 TR from a 16

[exotic spoke]

#LastStandForVic

[warm plinth]

That's almost half of a 445

[dark lark]

Honestly worth bricking those high keys you had from last season to get the residuum

Just smoke something and take your time

Unless you're getting smoked by boss mechanics anyway

[exotic spoke]

wholeheartedly agree. and holy shit

[umbral forge]

@dark lark I had to go with Permafrost

just to survive.

[exotic spoke]

someone spent 4 hours in WM 20

[dark lark]

Nerf is streaming a 21 shrine and they already depleted before pulling second boss lol

[exotic spoke]

We depleted our 17 before second boss. But we knew that

Was worth

[dark lark]

Haha

[exotic spoke]

Only alliance tank in top 11 WM runs... Fucking alliance

Pick up their game

[arctic egret]

Hey I'm new to tanking in BFA, I was just wondering how you guys choose your gear/traits, do you do it based on survivability or dps or something else?

[abstract geyser]

Can you get the sphere of suppression if you’ve already chosen blood of the enemy?

[unborn agate]

Should be able to buy it with marks of honor from the pvp vendor guy

[honest pelican]

is the essences page on icyveins correct? vision of perfection / lucid dreams for raids?

[lusty grotto]

yes

[honest pelican]

thx

[novel blaze]

is our weapon enchant still quick nav?

[honest pelican]

no

force multiplier

[novel blaze]

ok

thank you

[hasty nova]

hizza!

i know it probably won't last long but it feels good for now boys and girls!

world rank 16 and alliance rank 6 prot warrior tehe

[mint ingot]

hi

how are prot warriors now

[hasty nova]

well those are my prot warrior raider.io score

2 overall tank on proodmoore

so i think we are fine

[outer dew]

We

viable

[mint ingot]

shall i continue plaz prot war or go back to my pala_

?

[junior ivy]

PROT

WARRIOR.

only.

[mint ingot]

depends a lot on healer

[outer dew]

Play whatever you enjoy

[junior ivy]

you are only allowed to enjoy prot warrior

[mint ingot]

)

[outer dew]

Catfriend toxic AF

[junior ivy]

im loyal to my class

unlike you

[outer dew]

Wdym

My warrior still there

[junior ivy]

i dunno lol

[outer dew]

Then again

[oblique garnet]

Warrior is fine

[outer dew]

My warrior is a female did

[hot quail]

hey guys i just read the 8.2 prot warrior guide on wowhead by a guy on here, i was wondering if anyone has a pawn string for it?

[outer dew]

Yikes

Pawn string

[hot quail]

am i old?

do i need more help than i thought?

[abstract geyser]

Do we pair well with a disc priest?

[oblique garnet]

Disc priest doesnt pair well with anything in m+

[abstract geyser]

My buddy mains disc and I feel like I’m always at 50% health

[outer dew]

Disc priest is depression

One of the best priest for NA Alliance gave up and rerolled hpal

[abstract geyser]

It’s super fucking annoying to tank always at 50%

[outer dew]

Priest is in a terrible spot for m+ atm

[abstract geyser]

Yeah feels that way

[outer dew]

@hot quail just go with ilvl and prio haste

[abstract geyser]

Grievous too fml

[outer dew]

Most of the time pawn strings dont matter since stat weights are dynamic

Sometimes you put a ton of mastery, and then vers value goes up

Etc

[hot quail]

hmm okay, thank you! i thought since the guide just says haste and whatever on everything else that maybe i could find a pawn string to find out how whatever the other stats are

[outer dew]

For prot warrior, other stats are pretty even

And even then. Ilvl is king

[hot quail]

mm okay, thank you!

second question btw, do you also have major issues with shrine of storms this week or am i doing something wrong

[outer dew]

Shrine in general is not a great dungeon for prot

Very magic heavy and is really punishing with the mini bosses if youre not prepared or on comms

[outer dew]

I saw someone TF a 455 trinket yesterdat

Was pepehands

[strong forum]

2 dungeons

1x 430

1x 425

👌

[outer dew]

Imagine ilvl going up next week

[strong forum]

i only got 1 vial throughout entire s2

and it was 400

[unborn agate]

Is a good shield super important for prot? I feel fairly squishy but have a garbage shield. Dunno if it’s just bad play or the itemization

[hot quail]

block value is big

[strong forum]

high ilvl shield is the most important thing of a warrior

[unborn agate]

That’s what I figured, just can’t get one to drop and have to use this 370 garbo 😭. Thanks.

[hot quail]

@unborn agate what faction

[unborn agate]

Alliance. Probably just going to end up dungeon spamming for one

[hot quail]

ok, was thinking if you had dps os i could lootshare for you

[tidal rover]

Is warrior still going to be the best tank of do you reckon paladin of something else will take over? M+ only

[arctic sedge]

what would a +10 be on the old scale?

[tough vault]

Did a +11 and failed hard. apparently it's a +16-ish

beguiling is a whack mechanic

[spice ferry]

A 10 is an old 13/14

Hp/damage wise

[arctic sedge]

ah man

im in for a ride then

[tough vault]

+11 freehold this week bosses were ez.

trash however

big oof

[arctic sedge]

ah damn

tol dagor +10 in a moment

[tough vault]

yikers

watch the bolstering I guess

[unborn agate]

I did a temple 10 on my Paladin without too many issues but yeah gonna take a bit to get used to the new affix

[hot quail]

i did a kings rest 10 with a ton of issues

104 deaths

[strong forum]

breh

59k SS crit

fucking juicy

[unborn agate]

Oof

[strong forum]

37k TC crit

okay ima play vial now

[hot quail]

i have 415 vial with leech and socket lmao

[stiff drum]

are we still using quick nav enchant ?

[hot quail]

either that, the scale one or force multiplier i think, your choice?

[ivory peak]

Has anyone determined if the Hackable red punchcard is better than the original one. Last I heard it was up in the air and dependant on your yellow cards stats.

Subroutine Optimization vs Subroutine Overclock

[distant crystal]

does vision still give a partial-strength BoM proc

or is it full strength short duration now?

[warm plinth]

Partial str partial dur

[polar pawn]

guys you think warrior will be the best tank this season too?

[ripe mason]

I mean, I do think they'll still be really strong but the best tank I think would depend on the fight.

[polar pawn]

on mythic plus

[last mason]

would u guys rather have 3dc or 1 dc 2ms

@oblique garnet ^

[strong forum]

1dc 2ms

1000000000000%

[oblique garnet]

^

[strong forum]

but you might wanna throw in an block trait

cuz chances are you dont have a 440+ shield

and block value is very important right

[last mason]

i could switch one for a bfi

or a bs

[strong forum]

bfi

[unborn agate]

@polar pawn I see u in the prot pally disc, you best not be stepping out on us

[last mason]

why, have you guysbeen getting melted in m_

m+

[strong forum]

difficulty in dungeons increased insanely

ontop of Kvalue changing

[last mason]

yea ik

havent tanked any yet

[polar pawn]

@unborn agate what is the problem on ask for opinions? xD

[strong forum]

you just need more block to reach the old amount of damage reduction

like a 420 shield is like 30% DR in m+

[last mason]

what does a 10 feel like rn, medium? or actually hard

[strong forum]

a 10 is like an old 15

considering this weeks affixes

its even harder

[last mason]

oh forgot aboout bolstering fort

[strong forum]

like current week is the hardest week possible

[last mason]

yikes

[strong forum]

and GRIEVOUS

[last mason]

yea

jesus

[strong forum]

literally hardest possible week

[last mason]

So have you been taking way more defensive traits lately, or still just the usual

[strong forum]

na just the usual

[fickle geode]

what're the best trinkets for prot dps wise in the new raid?

[strong forum]

dribbling inkpod is pretty insane

[pallid helm]

guys, do you know any spreadsheet / tldr guides to operation mechagon?

[tough vault]

1. Don’t die
2. Stay alive
3. ???
4. Profit

[arctic sedge]

That m+

Took us almost two hours lmao

[tough vault]

Yeah hits like a truck

@pallid helm legit tho watch some vids. Normal is pretty ez

[warm plinth]

Hard mode was hard 😅

[lusty grotto]

does anyone know if you can do normal warfront and then heroic warfront afterwards or do they share a lockout or whatever?

[pallid helm]

i done heroic and got both quests complete

[warm plinth]

Sick

How was the heroic one? Was it horrible?

[pallid helm]

it takes ~30 mins, some bosses have realy big hppool, but it was not hard

[warm plinth]

Is it basically the exact same as the normal one just harder mobs?

[pallid helm]

yep

[warm plinth]

Thanks

[lusty grotto]

i cant seem to be able to queue for it

even though i have a group of 15

@pallid helm

so apparently horde stormgarde cycle started before tuesday so

you can't pick the heroic version

horde NA, that is

[distant crystal]

anyone know how mechagon hm works as far as people being saved to bosses?

if you killed a boss non-wm earlier in the week can you participate in a hm run

or do you screw it up

[warm plinth]

It's honestly kinda hard to say because to my knowledge the only other hard mode instance before this was a raid. FWIW, Mythic dungeons are saved per boss, so theoretically you should be able to go in and do the HM boss.

[shut summit]

you can do them if someone else zones in first

but each player not saved to boss = 20% chance for loot

so more saved players you have more likely you are to get nothing for the unsaved people

[oblique garnet]

If you do hm while being saved i dont think the mount drops

[lusty grotto]

jesus this 20 crate for each mechagon r2 is 🤢

10 galvanic oscilators too :\

[exotic spoke]

Wish I could trade 25 crate per galvanic

I’d be happy with that exchange rate

[lusty grotto]

yeah

that'd be sweet too

[exotic spoke]

Even 50 would be decent.

[lusty grotto]

calm down satan

[exotic spoke]

Better than having all these crates in my bank

[lusty grotto]

i mean ive been trying to fish for that haste trinket

and crafting the future thing and whatever

so thats how im so low on them

[exotic spoke]

Ouhhh yeah I have the vers pylon

[lusty grotto]

eww

[exotic spoke]

It’s 425 though

[lusty grotto]

ya i mean my rezan is still 400 so

[exotic spoke]

Been using punch card recently for wPvP

[lusty grotto]

they take 7 oscilators

that's why im so low :\

[exotic spoke]

Because you don’t get many galvanic

So that people like us can’t farm an ideal titanforge trinket

[junior ivy]

hi

[exotic spoke]

Hi catfriend

[undone sun]

Hi

[junior ivy]

thyme

are you still on your trip

and hi riki

@undone sun

[undone sun]

Yeah, till late tomorrow

In the mountains

Took this time lapse while going up to the peak https://streamable.com/auv1y

[warm plinth]

Wow that's awesome

[junior ivy]

that looks awesome!!

glad you're having a good time

[lusty grotto]

looks beautiful

[sick sentinel]

Question for my tank friends. Is this the spot?

[lusty grotto]

no sorry, we're dps

[sick sentinel]

oh damn

How you guys feel about the Chain of Suffering trinket from Zaqul?

[lusty grotto]

situational

good if you're hugging offtanks

absolutely bad for M+

unless if... you got an hpal friend 😉

dunno, can you mention which tank buster mechanics will require you to transfer off 50% dmg

i suppose its possible there might be a few next week

[modern brook]

hi nim ::^)

[lusty grotto]

what up

[sick sentinel]

Can you not do the mythic essense thing yet?

I've done a +14 and didn't get it

[warm plinth]

It has to be in time

7 or higher, in time

And you don't need rank 1 to get rank 2. Doing a +7 in time will automatically grant you rank 2

[junior ivy]

ghash you should be yellow too

[warm plinth]

Why in the hell would they do that

[junior ivy]

you asnwer everyones questions lately

[warm plinth]

That's because I have no life.

[undone sun]

Just like me

[junior ivy]

youd fit right in with the other yellows then

jk jk jk

[undone sun]

Also that first response made me laugh

[junior ivy]

im going to ribfest tomorrow

[undone sun]

Nice

[junior ivy]

they have bbqers from texas and alabama and stuff

which is weird

all the way in eastern canada

but im excited to try

[undone sun]

Oh man, getting some real BBQ then

[junior ivy]

i heard the texas guys are the best there

so ill probably get ribs from them

[west galleon]

is there a way to check how much you parried in a dungeon

?

[oblique garnet]

From logs yes

[west galleon]

damn was hoping you could see in like details

didn't log a dungeon haha

[sick sentinel]

is the essense from the dungeon even worth it

[ebon lagoon]

Scuse me, I got a 405 trinket from M+, I have a 390 blue from a world quest and the LFR version of Indiscriminate Consumption. Should I replace the lower item level or the blue?

*The LFR trinker is 380

[lusty grotto]

which trinkets

names

but yes in general 25 ilvl jumps are usually worth it

[ebon lagoon]

Idol of Indiscriminate Consumption, 380
Ritual Feather of Uung Ak, 390

I know, but I figured this isn't a BiS trinket, and Idol was considered a BiS trinket before 8.2, that's why I'm hesitant to replace it.

[lusty grotto]

idol was def not a BiS trinket

whats the 405 trinket

[ebon lagoon]

Briny Barnacle. DPS basically :/

[lusty grotto]

use it

[ebon lagoon]

Ok. Replace the 380 or 390?

[lusty grotto]

replace vial

[ebon lagoon]

...You mean idol?

[lusty grotto]

idol yes sorry

[ebon lagoon]

Alright...

Sorta fell in love with this thing, hard choices.

[lusty grotto]

its not hard at all

25 ilvls of str

and more dps

if you need the healing get the new heal pots

on that note: rip getting healthstones from garrison

[ebon lagoon]

No thanks, not supporting the AH whales >.>

Besides, you can only pot once a fight. This was maybe half your HP back in a big group on a minute cooldown.

[lusty grotto]

healing pots are not on the regular pot cd

[ebon lagoon]

Great 'oh shit' button.

[lusty grotto]

iirc it was changed in legion

[ebon lagoon]

I wouldn't know. Again, don't have the income to pay for that stuff constantly.

[lusty grotto]

healing pots are generally cheap

now you know though

[ebon lagoon]

Dude. I am checking right now, a single Abyssal Pot runs almost 200 gold on this server. That's...not cheap.

[lusty grotto]

abyssals are around 200g each right now and probably will go down

[ebon lagoon]

. . .

[opal cave]

Take up alchemy and herbs, it's very cheap. Only 2 Zin'anths

[lusty grotto]

200g IS cheap

smh

[ebon lagoon]

...I'm a Dark Iron. So much as touching plants is heresy for me.

:P

[opal cave]

Lol

[lusty grotto]

oh good lord

[ebon lagoon]

What? We can't all be one-dimensional metalords.

[lusty grotto]

you seem to think everyone is an alchemist

[opal cave]

Should be

[lusty grotto]

spoilers im not

[opal cave]

Bummer..

[lusty grotto]

but i do have an alchemist alt

[opal cave]

There ya go!

[lusty grotto]

and with flying, farming the mats is extremely easy

[opal cave]

Indeed it is

[ebon lagoon]

I'm an engineer. Because I figured, the DI racial armor has a Warhammer feel to it. So obviously getting a Gyrocpter mount was the next thing.

[lusty grotto]

ah yes the immersion/RP kind

[ebon lagoon]

The 445 headpiece down the line doesn't look bad either.

Sure Titanforging and Warforging are a thing, but that's RNG, so it's nice that crafting professions get to make at least something that's equivalent in item level to Mythic drops.

[exotic spoke]

Best profession combo is obviously alchemist / blacksmith

[broken ledge]

Ztroll Prot Wars using Paku or a different one?

[sick sentinel]

is anima of life and death decent

or VoP still go to

I usr VoP

As long as I am in combat, I have avatar up

When my avatar runs out I go IP>demoshout>IP and avatar is off cd again

Just don't have it

so I was wondering if it was good enough to go for it

Go for it

I'm currectly loving it