protection

[analog swift]

you're set

[lusty grotto]

its early into progression

you can see which hes using in summary

[hasty nova]

he used devastator

as did eye

[lusty grotto]

well then you don't need to maintain demo for the damage boost

[hasty nova]

Oh his overall str is a lot higher than mine

[lusty grotto]

compare your weapon ilvls too

remember weapon ilvl buffs every single offensive ability

[hasty nova]

weapon ilvl matters on sheild slame?

slam*

[lusty grotto]

which is why we always say

ILVL > ALL

[hasty nova]

ah

[lusty grotto]

yes weapon damage does increase SS damage

[hasty nova]

well i'm 421 and he is 426

[lusty grotto]

every single damage dealing ability

is buffed by weapon damage

[exotic spoke]

What was your raids overall dps?

[hasty nova]

291k 😦

[exotic spoke]

I ask because I know you where asking about parses earlier Gus.

But specifically to shield slam - maybe fumeyio has more traits that buff damage to shield slam as well?

[hasty nova]

his was 492k lmao

Well i'm not so worryed about parses per say

but i'm pulling 13-14k in boss fights

he is pulling 20k.

granted his items/enchants are better so i exspected it to be higher

but i just am making sure i'm not doing a rotation wrong

[exotic spoke]

So, for parses he is going to have a higher parse / higher dps - even if you two did the exact same rotation - since heroism / pots have a significantly higher up time %

[hasty nova]

it looks like we both ahd 65 67 shield slames

his were just double the dmg of mine

It "could" be just cuz of gear tho

[exotic spoke]

Parses / dps is what I mean.

Shields / weapons the same Ilvl like nim asked?

And what weapon are you using?

[hasty nova]

hold on let me look at some more things

so the vop

[exotic spoke]

His shield slam only hit for 4.6k more

[hasty nova]

avatar uptime

i'm not seeing

it

[lusty grotto]

traits, essences, enchants, weapon ilvl, str in general, mastery, 2nd potting at the right time, etc

there are a lot of things that could affect his output

[exotic spoke]

He doubled your dps due to his raid dps being higher than yours and hisbshield slam average hits were higher by 4.6k

I’m betting traits / weapon / shields are a part of this

Also, if he has booming voice that’s more damage too

[lusty grotto]

nah they are deva

[exotic spoke]

Both?

[willow scarab]

The biggest thing to remember here

my guild got some rank 1 speeds in the world tonight on our first kills

[hasty nova]

ohhhh i see dps is over time they killed it a min faster

[lusty grotto]

ya riki

[willow scarab]

Faster kills always means a better looking dps

[hasty nova]

okay i forgot about the time factor

yeah yeah ok that makes a lot more sense

fume were u using VoP? i do not see avatar up more than normal

you got one more cast in

but i don't see it "popping up" for 7 seconds inbetween

[willow scarab]

I was using VoP but I forgot to use it properly

I think I said earlier we one shot everything and also it was my first time using VoP

I was flustered on every fight tbh

[hasty nova]

Well, i suppose my point is that I have not seen VoP on anyone so far popping up

[willow scarab]

like I know I popped avatar whilst I had 7s avatars running

[exotic spoke]

What fight where you looking at specifically?

[hasty nova]

i think it might be bugged

[lusty grotto]

you can see essences in the talents section

[warm plinth]

Does it not extend if you do that?

[willow scarab]

Everyone is using crucible + worldvein but I simmed just before raid and VoP + worldvein was higher for me

[warm plinth]

Or does it just overwrite the 7 second one?

[willow scarab]

if you have the proc then use avatar it resets to 20s

[warm plinth]

Lame

[lusty grotto]

last ones are essences

[ionic fern]

Can i see that sim @willow scarab ?

[lusty grotto]

(that's a rogue of course)

[willow scarab]

uh how

I did it like 8 hours ago

[exotic spoke]

Our kill was shit time. Too many recruits. Hit the enrage time but still killed it

Barely

[ionic fern]

Did you add the major use of CoF manually?:)

[willow scarab]

oh you can do this

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qhfHK5wx3AUbFVztJUwM9

[ionic fern]

Into the apl?

[willow scarab]

i find out

I only started siming like a week ago for the first time in my life

so i don't know any of your magic

[lusty grotto]

hmm

[hasty nova]

Nim where did you see that? was that in wow logs? in "buffs" of logs i don't see it

[ionic fern]

Can you do /simc for me in game and post it in a pastebin and DM it?

[lusty grotto]

summary

pick a character

[hasty nova]

oh yeah i see the vision of perfection

i just don't see

it procing

[lusty grotto]

dunno who this guy is, just went into the first log i found

[exotic spoke]

What’s your last major trait fumeiyo? 3 DC, 2 BoM, and?

[hasty nova]

on buff phase

[warm plinth]

I imagine it would just show up as Avatar, not as Visions of Perfection.

[oblique garnet]

it shows as avatar

[warm plinth]

And if it procs during Avatar, it would just extend Avatar, so you may not even notice it if looking at Ava uptime

[willow scarab]

I think in raid it was 2x BoM 1x RF 2x DC 1x RNG

[exotic spoke]

Yeah, just look for avatar. That’s how it shows up

[oblique garnet]

theres no different buff for vop

[hasty nova]

yeah my point is that I don't see the 7 second procs of the avatar buff

[lusty grotto]

i wonder if seriallos is working on adding usage for other essences

for raidbots

[exotic spoke]

Link your log gus?

[tulip arch]

I have just been pasting in a string manually to simulate myself having all of the essences

[lusty grotto]

yeah

[hasty nova]

i am not useing vop yet

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/xCjgATH2kXyRrdtJ#fight=4&type=summary&source=22

here is fumeiyo log that i'm looking at

[lusty grotto]

but that might be complicated for just about everyone that doesn't deal with APLs

[tulip arch]

Yup

[hasty nova]

sorry @willow scarab you have linked before so i asusme that is okay with you if it is not just let me know and i will not do that again

[willow scarab]

Yeah go nuts man

[warm plinth]

@hasty nova Look here. Notice the long Avatars and the random small one.

[lusty grotto]

anyway it wasn't about comparing essences, mwahi mentioned usage

[willow scarab]

logs are public so it's all free

[warm plinth]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/xCjgATH2kXyRrdtJ#fight=25&type=auras&ability=107574

[willow scarab]

I wouldn't suggest using me as any kind of benchmark or anything

[hasty nova]

not at all lol

[willow scarab]

I was flustered on every kill and they were 1 shots so very messy and not min maxed at all

[warm plinth]

I don't even know if this is the right Fumeiyo actually; there's like 5 of them

[exotic spoke]

Probably because he was able to extend it or the proc extended his avatar cast

[willow scarab]

That's my log

[warm plinth]

Gotcha lol

[lusty grotto]

60%+

[hasty nova]

all of those avatars are same time it looks like to me

[willow scarab]

All of the Fumeiyo's are me in different xpacs

[lusty grotto]

some of them are are extended for sure

[exotic spoke]

That’s vop

[lusty grotto]

yup

[warm plinth]

Avatars 2, 4, and 7 are 27 seconds

And the one at like 1:20 is a VoP proc

[oblique garnet]

fumeiyo whats your avatar uptime ?

on like orogozoa

i know your kill was similiar to ours

[hasty nova]

for that fight we are looking at it was 57%

[willow scarab]

I haven't even started to analyze my logs

But I can go look for you

[hasty nova]

well i'm more trying to look at my own logs, just i'm not sure who to compare myself with. There are better warriors out there sure, (not a lot 😃 ) but i can't talk to them

ur here talking to me so thanks a lot fumeiyo it means a lot to me

[exotic spoke]

Fuck, my dps needs to step up - and we shouldn’t bring so many recruits. Your ashvane kill was over twice as fast of ours

[willow scarab]

like i said

we got rank 1 world speed kills

it's not a fair comparrison for speed

[hasty nova]

look at that raid dps

thats nutss

[willow scarab]

50% avatar in orgozoa @oblique garnet

[oblique garnet]

you ran with vop + ww?

[willow scarab]

our orgozoa was rank 2 world

yeah i did

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/qc21yjzpChTWvRr7#fight=24&type=auras

[hasty nova]

VoP rank 1 just doesn't seem as potent as I thought it would be. but i am having a hard time measuring the metric

[pallid hare]

as a tank are there any upgraded bentic pieces that are better than Mythic ilvl pieces? How much do we have to give up defensively in order to gain the dps from the bonuses.

[exotic spoke]

It’s huge Gus

[willow scarab]

for dps you want benthic boots and bracers

frostbolt bracers crit damage boots

[last mason]

If you don’t bring recruits when would bring them

[willow scarab]

don't take them if you want defensive play

[last mason]

If the recruits are benched now they’ll just leave

[exotic spoke]

It’s a matter of not bringing all the recruits at one time

So that we have 28 people in raid and 1 too many healers

[oblique garnet]

your avatar uptime was 15% less than mine

but i ran with vop + lucid

[hasty nova]

Riki you might convince me that it's "better" but so far I have not seen anything that shows a "huge" difference. not trying to be confrontational, i just have not seen numbers difference

that accounts to VoP specfically

[pallid hare]

has there been any discussion as to how much we lose defensively by going the dps route and getting those pieces? paticularly for M+?

[oblique garnet]

well benthic doesnt work in m+

so you know

[willow scarab]

lucid is gross

I do keep saying though

[pallid hare]

oh... fair enough thanks ^^

[willow scarab]

we did 1 shots and it was my first time seeing the boss

I was flustered

[exotic spoke]

If you don’t think a difference from ~40% to 65-70% up time of avatar is huge I don’t know what to say.

In terms of survivability and dps that’s huge.

Your increased survivability means healers can dps more - further increasing your dps

[willow scarab]

I did nothing proper

I just fell into these bosses

[oblique garnet]

yeah i wasnt going for max damage

[exotic spoke]

Dominick - the benthic pieces don’t give bonuses in m+ since you aren’t in the eternal palace or in naz. So for m+ they are just a piece of gear

[oblique garnet]

just wanted to see if i could be the tankiest warrior on the earth

[exotic spoke]

50 stacks on behemoth lets go

[lusty grotto]

hey ive been wondering

since i havent done any keys this week and just reading on the scaling

i was actually thinking on going for the more defensive essences

[exotic spoke]

Go do a 30 nim. 1776% increased damage and health will be fine

[lusty grotto]

until maybe i get a decent shield

[exotic spoke]

what level shield do you have and what key level were you looking at?

[pallid hare]

Yeah i just noticed that, kind of silly for them to give bonuses in the raid but not M+

thanks for bringing that to my attention

[lusty grotto]

dunno its mostly the doomsaying

[odd violet]

Guys, I'm having trouble with picking CoB or lucid as minor (both rank 2), crucible looks amazing dps wise but lucid gives more resources and some potent healing, what do you think?

[exotic spoke]

Not really Dominick. They are designed for that raid.

[pallid hare]

very helpful, now i dont have to farm them 😄

[lusty grotto]

well not doomsaying

[exotic spoke]

Lucid without a doubt for your minor Sdan

Nim, do you have a 415 shield?

[lusty grotto]

yup

[exotic spoke]

How many BfI or if?

[odd violet]

hmmm, all right, saw that the overall damage of crucible was quite strong so i wasn't sure - plus, i have trouble knowing how much lucid actually procs.

[oblique garnet]

worldvein is also nice minor for raid

[lusty grotto]

i have ms/if

[oblique garnet]

generally if you play with lucid you have to spam ip

[willow scarab]

lucid sucks

[oblique garnet]

to get the max value

[willow scarab]

worldvein minor in a raid with lots of worldvein minor is good

sphere minor is good for keys

[odd violet]

(i'm playing mostly m+ so idk about the raid yet)

[willow scarab]

Whatever CoB is it's a bad minor

[odd violet]

CoB is crucible haha, it does quite a lot of damage overall

[willow scarab]

Crucible of B-flame

true

[lusty grotto]

lmao

[odd violet]

oh my

[lusty grotto]

TCoF

[odd violet]

sorry

[warm plinth]

I did 12s yesterday...they were brutal. 😬

[odd violet]

lmao

[warm plinth]

Average completion time: 76 minutes 🙃

[lusty grotto]

not to be confused with Convergence of Fates

[willow scarab]

Cruxible is only good as a major

[lusty grotto]

lets agree on an acronym

[odd violet]

i thought about sphere tbh but haven't got rank 2 yet, might just try lucid then

[lusty grotto]

i think TCoF is a good one

[warm plinth]

I think CoF is fine because this isn't Legion.

[willow scarab]

I would 100% use VoP major and sphere minor

especially if you have rank 3 sphere

[lusty grotto]

oof ghash

[willow scarab]

aegis rank 3 on teeming weeks

[warm plinth]

I mean, context clues folks

[lusty grotto]

i only slam and bootyclap

what is context

[sand egret]

knowing what you mean when you say "bootyclap"

and not to judge your twerking ways

[lusty grotto]

👢 🍵 👏

:p

[exotic spoke]

Nim, with 1 IF trait you went from 44.87% mitigation from block to 39.99% mitigation from block in m+

[lusty grotto]

yup

[exotic spoke]

So, not too bad of a difference.

You completely disrespect bolstering and you’ll be fine

[warm plinth]

Am I having a stroke?

[exotic spoke]

Doing a 17 tonight I think.

RIP me

[warm plinth]

Jesus, why

[sand egret]

just spam ironfur.

[exotic spoke]

Gotta max that key level out for reward on Tuesday

[lusty grotto]

im just skurred cause people have been complaining about the scaling since tuesday

[warm plinth]

Are you gonna complete it no matter how long it takes? XD

[exotic spoke]

Yes

[warm plinth]

WEll you should at least do better than my worst one

[junior ivy]

hi

[warm plinth]

101 minute +12 Siege with 115 deaths

[willow scarab]

I have an 18FH

And I need to time it

[warm plinth]

Yeah that's not happening lol

[willow scarab]

because without a 19 I don't get a 445 token next week

I'll be 700 short

[exotic spoke]

Its equivalent to a 24 last season lol

[warm plinth]

the 17? Or the 19?

[exotic spoke]

The 17

[odd violet]

17 would be 24-25

[warm plinth]

Yeah I was gonna say 24 for 19 sounds low

[willow scarab]

18 key is a 26 for sure

that's been my guess

[warm plinth]

That sounds right

[willow scarab]

however

[exotic spoke]

The 18 is slightly harder than a 25

[willow scarab]

last season my group was 418-420

[warm plinth]

But you have beguiling slowing you way down too

[willow scarab]

My group is currently 425

[exotic spoke]

By 10% - but significantly lower than a 26

[willow scarab]

So???? maybe???

[night oxide]

can i ask the question of how does the tanking weapon from operation mechagon stack vs normal secondary stat weapon?

[sand egret]

beguiling be the X factor imh o

[warm plinth]

Yeah beguiling is just fucking awful in certain places

And others it might as well not exist

[lusty grotto]

if its higher ilvl use it @night oxide

[warm plinth]

Case in point, the neutral pack next to Eudora in FH has an enchanted emissary. Like what lol

[sand egret]

like...by the bar?

[exotic spoke]

497% for your 18 right now versus 534% for a 25 last season

[warm plinth]

Yeah

[agile spruce]

guys

[sand egret]

haha yesss

[night oxide]

same ilvl as my current main hand Haste vers mace out of Atal

[agile spruce]

what weapon enchant we using these days?

[sand egret]

FH continues to be the best

[warm plinth]

You literally can just spam something at it while fighting the previous pack and it's gone by the time you pull the neutrals (if you do in your route)

[willow scarab]

force multiplier is nice

I wonder if we should make pins about this

[lusty grotto]

quick nav and force multi are the picks

[exotic spoke]

Force multiplier for dps

[sand egret]

Force Multi or if you're Cheap, Quick Nav

[willow scarab]

I feel like I answer that 5 times a day

[strong forum]

@willow scarab im getting close https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/keqViRLFoGP23dK69g2Mye

[exotic spoke]

Agree fumeiyo

[lusty grotto]

im pretty sure its on the guide

but then again i was away for a week so

did merek update it and added force multi?

[willow scarab]

Does 23k count as close

[warm plinth]

Also, to save time we just had the tank mount up and go click the dog while we stayed by the house since otherwise you have to kill another void emissary. Not sure you could do it on a 17-18 though because you'd probably die too fast.

[sand egret]

it's not in there

[willow scarab]

440 wep, sundering, same helm as me

[strong forum]

youre only 400 ahead fumei or smth

[willow scarab]

hate to see it

400 ahead?

[strong forum]

wasn it?

[exotic spoke]

Shield wall last stand, avatar, demo shout, rallying cry.

You’ll be fine for 12 seconds at least

[willow scarab]

I don't think you're been looking at my sims

[strong forum]

i thought youre at like 23.4 no?

[warm plinth]

You can't cast all that while mounted though. I guess you could try doing it with a speed pot maybe?

[willow scarab]

I've got a fresh one brewing for you rgiht now

[lusty grotto]

heh ghash yeah, same way you pull stuff in ML to the entrance

you cant go mounted

[exotic spoke]

Yeah - just do it and leap and speed pot run - hoping it’s fast enough

[lusty grotto]

wall and SR on the way out

[willow scarab]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dhW2oj9ge6W82DCrfRTMJF

[warm plinth]

Yeah I would say it took him like...10 seconds maybe?

[strong forum]

oh

[warm plinth]

So should be doable, and saves you from having to kill that extra emissary/pack

[willow scarab]

peeposad

[vast sedge]

Your guys gear is so fucking disgusting Jesus

[willow scarab]

I wish I didn't 1 shot the bosses so I could have taken al lthe rank 1s

[lusty grotto]

calm your orgasms there buddy

[oblique garnet]

socketed anchor

[willow scarab]

Stupid good raid team fucked my logs

[oblique garnet]

feelsbadman

[lusty grotto]

sogood

[willow scarab]

anyone else cancel their lazer since the hotfix

[warm plinth]

Also there are some emissaries that don't actually come with the packs. Like the void emissary on the first pull of FH is completely unlinked from the trash around it. You can just heroic throw the end mobs and pull without aggroing it

[strong forum]

youre still using cyclónic okay

[willow scarab]

yeah it's good

but i cancel it

and i don't use my avatar procs

I'm excited for future weeks when i'm more focussed and practiced

[exotic spoke]

When do you cancel it? After the first tick?

[willow scarab]

some of my zaqul wipes were above 50k and rank 1 is like 37k

sometimes i cancel it before the first tick

because i'm so use to pressing spells straight away

[exotic spoke]

Do you still get the damage?

Oh lol

[willow scarab]

it cancels it

[oblique garnet]

no you used to be able to use abilities

[willow scarab]

they hotfixed it

[oblique garnet]

now they fixed it

[exotic spoke]

Ok, so not planning to cancel it

[willow scarab]

which means

i render

[exotic spoke]

I thought you did it on purpose for some reason

[warm plinth]

Doesn't it tick like...every quarter second?

[willow scarab]

an entire trinket slot

useless 😃

yeah but spell queue i use ot have a spell lined up before the cast even finished

[wheat bronze]

Does Reckless Flurry actually work in prot?

[warm plinth]

Oh

[willow scarab]

so it instant cancels

[warm plinth]

Yikes

😦

[willow scarab]

yes it does the logs are right infront of you

[warm plinth]

Yeah, it procs as a separate damage source on auto attacks

[willow scarab]

it's the best trait for ST damage

[lusty grotto]

feelsbadman

i just rememebered on tuesday

[strong forum]

i refuse to use RF

[lusty grotto]

wondering what the fuck the cyclone was

[warm plinth]

I really need to do Mecha

[lusty grotto]

when ganking alliance

[willow scarab]

How do I make my RF proc like this

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/tQBxkH9r6anwyRX7#fight=1&type=damage-done&translate=true

[strong forum]

absolutely refuse

[warm plinth]

Get me that sexy essence

Step 1. Be Russian.
Step 2. ???
Step 3. Profit

[willow scarab]

I want that 1.25m opener

[strong forum]

cyclonic gave me another 600 dps

so i guess with an additional RF id be at 24k+

[lusty grotto]

oh god you said russian and i got a 🥑 flashback

[willow scarab]

the 440 wep is os huge for you

[warm plinth]

lul

[willow scarab]

your chest sims higher with RF

that's the chest I use

Your race also sucks

and i have the dps bracers and uunat legs

[junior ivy]

racist

[willow scarab]

highmountain tauren sims 9dps less than gnome so it's a bad choice

[junior ivy]

oh if hes not gnome i agree his race sucks

[oblique garnet]

Fumeiyo youre alliance?

[willow scarab]

yeah

Oceanic is alliance

otherwise i'd be an undead chick 100%

[strong forum]

im thinkin bout going undead

tbh

[willow scarab]

they look cool

they flip every time they devastate

and big dps

and #unique

You ever notice no top parsing warriors play meathead races 🤔

[strong forum]

im female HM currently

running animation of fm undead is kinda meh

[warm plinth]

Transmog looks meh on them too imo

[strong forum]

shield is tiny

[oblique garnet]

only acceptable look on HMT is making it look like a warrior who just got off from first ever deadmines

[willow scarab]

I have full T3 and that looks cool on undead

other than that i mostly just use DK sets

[strong forum]

my go to test mog

[willow scarab]

If I played legion i'd definitely use that in my rotation too

female undead though

[strong forum]

legion was 👌 but i played casual af

[willow scarab]

i played 20 hours a day for 6 weeks and then quit

[strong forum]

kke

[willow scarab]

got my cutting edge xavius and then logged off for 2 years

[willow scarab]

hell yeah geddit

with the red eng oggles that have the scope and moving parts

and WoD xmog shield

[strong forum]

using goggles

yikes

[willow scarab]

always mog goggles

[strong forum]

YIKES MY DUDE

[willow scarab]

alright it's 4:30am i'm sleeping

goodnight all

[strong forum]

👋 🌊

[modern brook]

yikes

some bad opinions on races in here today some different bad opinions on races in here today

[junior ivy]

there are actually people who dont prefer gnome, i know

[modern brook]

😬

[paper dagger]

thinkaboutit

[modern brook]

fixed it cat

[paper dagger]

if you gnome it easier to los voidtouched

[modern brook]

just kill it 4head

[paper dagger]

smh

[exotic spoke]

@modern brook at least it’s not nightfallen amirite

[modern brook]

If ur horde and ur not tauren or orc and ur a warrior ur a loser

full stop

if ur ally ur a loser anyways

[exotic spoke]

I’m sorry. You’re forgetting about the best horse race

[modern brook]

Gonk Gang also in the cool kid clubs

[exotic spoke]

Horde race*

[modern brook]

🐎

[exotic spoke]

You know what I mean

Goblin

[modern brook]

😬

[exotic spoke]

Haste and mobility? Yes please

[modern brook]

ur a grosser gnome

being disgusting isnt worth 1% haste

rocket jump is dope though, ill give u that

[lusty grotto]

bull being racist against undead

wait hol up

did you say horse race

riki that's racist against tauren!

they are not horses, they are cows and mooses

[modern brook]

I'm being racist against a lot of things, in fairness

I uninvite Blood elf warriors from my groups

stay pally puny elf

[lusty grotto]

thats like saying worgen are cats

wait

did the model revamp go live yet for them?

[modern brook]

Worgens?

[exotic spoke]

Who plays worsen warrior

When gnome, did, dwarf, and OG space goat are available

[lusty grotto]

a WORSEN?

[exotic spoke]

Yeah

Autocorrect

But also correct

[lusty grotto]

is that a worgen + horse chimaera

[exotic spoke]

No you’re just worse if you play worgen

[lusty grotto]

dang

dont hate man, model revamp making them look good

[modern brook]

thank god

[exotic spoke]

What racials do they have

[lusty grotto]

they have turn human

[modern brook]

now i can finally RP my sonic unleashed fursona

[lusty grotto]

also go on all fours

that's what i call them

"turn human" and "go on all fours" otherwise known as "touching her toes"

[modern brook]

dude i cant even touch my toes

:^(

[exotic spoke]

40% movement for 10 seconds - 2 minute cooldown
Passive 1% crit and 1% damage reduction on shadow / nature damage

Meh

[lusty grotto]

shit i had forgotten about sprint

[sand egret]

this is a lot of talk about not-dwarves, master race

[warm plinth]

^

[junior ivy]

you guys suck

[sand egret]

you guys gnomes suck

fixed it for ya

[spice thicket]

Nightborne warrior checking in

[lusty grotto]

oh good lord

ban him

ban him forever if hes male

[spice thicket]

Male

[sand egret]

if we turn away those who are lost....how will they learn

[lusty grotto]

👉 🚪

[exotic spoke]

I’m DiD

It’s pretty good

[sand egret]

aren't you a spacegoat

[lusty grotto]

hey @umbral forge we found another one

[umbral forge]

eh

[lusty grotto]

another male nightborne

[exotic spoke]

Nah DiD for the past couple months

[sand egret]

i thought you swapped

[umbral forge]

nah

[exotic spoke]

I let Democracy* choose

[lusty grotto]

are you guys like never nudes

theres 2 of you

[umbral forge]

always nude

slutmog now that 8.2 is out

[exotic spoke]

*Democracy may have been heavily influenced by my M+ team

[lusty grotto]

jettom did not catch that reference

[spice thicket]

I am a member of Tank Chat server, but no i dont go nude...

[lusty grotto]

hey jettom i heard nomeratur wanted to share his font with you lmao

[keen yacht]

guys

I;m on heroic sivara

[sand egret]

question is: does Rigatony stay OG dwarf or go DiD

[keen yacht]

1 stack of green debuff gives me

100% reduced healing taken

is that normal

or bugged

[exotic spoke]

On first boss?

I didn’t notice a bug with it. Can’t remember off hand

Do you have logs tarczo

[keen yacht]

3 stack

300 %

xD

[strong forum]

its a bug

its 5% per stack

otherwise youd be impossible to heal cuz 1 stack would be 100%

[exotic spoke]

Do you have logs though? I’m curious if it’s a visual bug

[strong forum]

i had 6 stacks and flipped my shit too

i have logs

[exotic spoke]

I know you do

[strong forum]

well i had the same "bug"

[exotic spoke]

Fair

[modern brook]

Log me nom

[exotic spoke]

I’m assuming it’s visual then

[strong forum]

100% bug

cuz you have almost 100% uptime on the debuff

[exotic spoke]

Get it 100%

[keen yacht]

well

[strong forum]

how are you supposed to get healed if 1 stack is complete healing reduction 🙃

[keen yacht]

we killed it

somehow

XDDDDD

[modern brook]

XDx5 indeed

[keen yacht]

prot op I guess

[lusty grotto]

i think logs would be useful to see if its just a tooltip bug

cause if you're obviously getting healed then its most def a tooltip thing

[sand egret]

naw, 100% legit. Dude's healers were just that good.

[icy kiln]

guys can help me with s3 k values? cant find them

[exotic spoke]

It’s there, look for yesterday around 12:30 I think?

[undone sun]

8.2 K values
M0/M+: 10344.6 (x1.642)
EP LFR: 10344.6 (x1.642)
EP Normal: 11478.6 (x1.822)
EP Heroic: 12782.7 (x2.029)
EP Mythic: 14282.1 (x2.267)

[icy kiln]

thanks!

[exotic spoke]

That works, couldn’t copy it fast enough

[undone sun]

Though last I heard they weren't implemented yet, don't know if it has changed

[sand egret]

....

[exotic spoke]

You should lose about 5% mitigation

Oh, shit really?

[undone sun]

Yeh

[sand egret]

Searched for k-values....and as I did Thyme posted that so I'm here scratching my head at the timestamp haha

[exotic spoke]

I’ll check when I get home since I know what it should be now and what it was then.

Then... maybe I won’t get completely destroyed in UR 17 tonight.....hooray

[glacial sage]

Anything I can read to find all the difference between prot warrior this expansion and last expansion?

[oblique garnet]

@undone sun They are in

[undone sun]

Avatar gcd, no real rfdt @glacial sage

Neat

[glacial sage]

rfdt?

[undone sun]

Rage from damage taken

It's now on melees only, at a static amount

[glacial sage]

okay, so the only difference is that, avatar gcd, some talent choices, and no more set bonuses or legendary bonuses

[undone sun]

Basically, anything good from the artifact is gone

[exotic spoke]

Pretty much.
But we gained a lot from traits and essences too - lots of fucking mastery ad avatar up time

[lusty grotto]

UF and Bolster are big changes

[glacial sage]

and ip only blocks 50% instead of 96-98

[lusty grotto]

and Devastator not generating rage

and yes the IP change

[sand egret]

IP isn't as absurd

[glacial sage]

I used to outheal healers with ip

[undone sun]

And inspiring

[exotic spoke]

Yeah. Wonder why that got changed

[undone sun]

Miss inspiring

[glacial sage]

lmao

[exotic spoke]

Oh wait... I healed 1.5M Hps in a fight

[undone sun]

No more warbringer

[sand egret]

all in all, you're a way less self-sufficient imho

[lusty grotto]

nooo thyme why must we start this again

[exotic spoke]

Too a degree blade

[undone sun]

Because its a must

[glacial sage]

That needed to be changed though, I could solo normal bosses that were current content

even did a +3 alone

[lusty grotto]

press F for pre-nerf warbringer and reflective plating

[exotic spoke]

Yarp

[undone sun]

F

[exotic spoke]

F

[glacial sage]

F

[undone sun]

Pre Nerf devastator

[lusty grotto]

F

[exotic spoke]

F

[sand egret]

RotS----er...wrong channel

[lusty grotto]

the fuck outta here

[exotic spoke]

DK representation in MDI

[lusty grotto]

lmao

[exotic spoke]

F

[sand egret]

8.0 wants to have a word with you

[exotic spoke]

8.1 wants a word with you

[sand egret]

naw, we don't talk anymore

[lusty grotto]

8.2 wants a word with you

[exotic spoke]

Too early to say how that goes

[sand egret]

8.3 wants a word with both of you

[exotic spoke]

But currently - since legion - BDK representation in MDI has drastically changed

[sand egret]

DKs are like the "kids who peaked in high school" of BfA

[exotic spoke]

(What patch are we technically in? 8.3?

[sand egret]

we're in 8.2

[exotic spoke]

Thought so

Cut that precognition shit out

[sand egret]

totally precog

[undone sun]

Huh

[sand egret]

👀

[exotic spoke]

[lusty grotto]

i miss shield slam purge sometimes

but that's way before legion

😢

[exotic spoke]

I miss shattering throw

[lusty grotto]

that too

it was soo good for pve too

[paper dagger]

Can you get the VoP blueprint running mechagon again the same week?

[lusty grotto]

but of course i only miss it because fuck mages and paladins

[paper dagger]

i want that rank 2

[lusty grotto]

ok first of all

mechagon is a mythic

which means

you won't get loot at all on the same week

[exotic spoke]

Itsnloot locked so not likely

[sand egret]

still waiting for the second point

[paper dagger]

^

[lusty grotto]

second of all, my butt itches but im on an open space office

[paper dagger]

please elaborate

[sand egret]

👀

[lusty grotto]

third of all, and i guess this is the one you were waiting for... yes Maeve the netherdrake and Stewart are officially gf/bf

and finally, no you can't get rank 2 this week

[weak juniper]

Is Raidbots now accurate for siming Prot DPS?

[lusty grotto]

due to "its a drop, and you can't get loot from king mechagon twice in the same week"

[void berry]

Hey bois, I just got the shoulders on Queen's Court. For the third ring, should I take "Ablative Shielding" or "Gutripper" / "Heed my Call" ?

[warm plinth]

HMC imo

[lusty grotto]

raidbots was accurate for 8.1 for the most part, and it is kind of accurate right now but there are some things that are still being worked on

[void berry]

Mainly raiding, btw

[warm plinth]

@weak juniper Yes and no. Don't think the active essences are fully incorporated into simcraft.

[sand egret]

I'd prob take Heed

[mental scarab]

so why does every stupid mob hit like a semitruck in mechagon? 20 keys dont hurt that much

[exotic spoke]

They hurt more btw lol

[lusty grotto]

K values 😃

[exotic spoke]

Well 20s now.

[mental scarab]

its retardedxD

[weak juniper]

@warm plinth Thank you.

[lusty grotto]

YES THANK YOU GHASH

[mental scarab]

i almost shit my self when i did big boi pull at the start

[lusty grotto]

😢

[exotic spoke]

But part of it is k value change. Part of it is the fact that it’s a mid expac dungeon release which usually is harder (imo)

A solid amount of magic damage.

[mental scarab]

yea

last boss was fun

[exotic spoke]

Yeah - you don’t do that. We also don’t lit gear it much yet (if at all)

[sand egret]

gotta look at the mobs pumpin in there, a lot of them have some gnarly mechanics

[mental scarab]

think we spended a solid 35 min on him haha

[exotic spoke]

Reflect is your friend on last boss

[mental scarab]

y

but 50/50 dps got one shot

haha

[exotic spoke]

2 pulls on ptr with no essences. Wasn’t bad

[sand egret]

i really gotta get in there

[exotic spoke]

They are under geared or fucked up then

[mental scarab]

yea we did alot of fuck ups

but we had fun

[exotic spoke]

It’s a good place. I enjoy it. Hour to Hour and a half depending on the groups I’ve been in.

I’ve heard of people in there for 3-4 hours though

[mental scarab]

THATS my guildXD

[lusty grotto]

😂

[warm plinth]

Thank you for what @lusty grotto ?

[lusty grotto]

just, thank you

[oblique garnet]

Riki you know that first pull in freehold where you pull 3 packs right?

[mental scarab]

but yea love the boss fights

[exotic spoke]

Yeah

[oblique garnet]

I dont want to do that ever again

[lusty grotto]

lmao

[exotic spoke]

Emissaries is there right

[oblique garnet]

yeah thats not the issue

[exotic spoke]

Yeah rip you. What level?

[oblique garnet]

the mobs just killed me

16

[sand egret]

you mean the packs that just toss you

[mental scarab]

lul

[exotic spoke]

Oh fuck that noise. Yeah a three pull on that with bolstering will be a rip

[lusty grotto]

😦

[sand egret]

actually one of the worst pulls in BfA

[oblique garnet]

i did this before i remembered the k values

[exotic spoke]

And new k values

[mental scarab]

and i got an 16 atal<_>

[lusty grotto]

F

[oblique garnet]

and the 30% additional scaling

[exotic spoke]

5% more damage + 30% higher mythic base + higher scaling + bolstering

[oblique garnet]

the 16 i thought was like 18-19 was more like 23

[mental scarab]

= alot of dmg

[exotic spoke]

That was me in siege 7. When we had two commanders with 10 stacks of bolstering

[mental scarab]

haha

[exotic spoke]

I got deleted

[warm plinth]

You can pull the 3 pull in FH without pulling the void. It would just be kind of a pain to do.

[sand egret]

should just went "REEEEE" and fenced hopped the shit outta them haha

[lusty grotto]

yeah im deffo running sphere + aegis on my keys

[exotic spoke]

It’s death at high keys for now

[warm plinth]

Oh yeah for sure

[lusty grotto]

fuck you guys and your VoP

[warm plinth]

Just saying the void isn't an issue really

[exotic spoke]

I’m preparing myself for UR17

[mental scarab]

gl

[exotic spoke]

After raid tonight

[lusty grotto]

null dynamo + aegis np np

[exotic spoke]

I should start drinking now. Then by the time 1130 (7.5 hours from now) comes around I won’t feel anything

Stupid guild rule... stupid not being allowed to be drunk / high on progression....

Who the fuck made that up

[lusty grotto]

YEAH

[exotic spoke]

👀

[lusty grotto]

----------E here you go, i got you covered on pitchforks

[exotic spoke]

I uh... I made that rule

[sand egret]

.....well that's a silly rule

gotta get in the zone!

gotta get to the point where Kenny Loggins is just playing in your head. that's like an extra 12k dps right there

[exotic spoke]

That’s what Dj bot is for. It’s not just in my head

[lusty grotto]

ok since you made it

[sand egret]

but is he also taking to you

[lusty grotto]

i got you covered riki ----------E ----------E ----------E

also they are on fire

[strong forum]

lamo, half my raid is drunk during prog

prolly

i was once

was fun

wiped 3 times on grong

[lusty grotto]

also they are being aimed at your anus riki

[exotic spoke]

Yeah but some people took it too far

Have a drink - don’t get completely fucked

[oblique garnet]

i dont remember one saturday raid i did on my shaman

[strong forum]

well obv

[exotic spoke]

Yeah, that was the issue Nome

So we can have a drink. But for progression not shit faced

[lusty grotto]

i really cant drink while playing

i can drink ANYWHERE ELSE

i just dont enjoy it while playing games

except maybe drunk smash bros

[warm plinth]

Not with that attitude

[lusty grotto]

and maybe drunk mario party

[modern brook]

I use melee to sober up after drinking

[strong forum]

party games are okay drunk

[warm plinth]

Mario Party?

[strong forum]

but like actual games

[modern brook]

nothing sobers you like execution tests

[warm plinth]

50% party?

[modern brook]

0% party

no fun allowed

[lusty grotto]

any other video game and drinking really is a no go.... drugs otoh

[strong forum]

i remember when back i played league i played ranked drunk... lost like 7 games in a row

[lusty grotto]

yes i played dota2 drunk about... 3 or 8 times

[strong forum]

never again

[lusty grotto]

MMR freefall

[exotic spoke]

I play CSGO better intoxicated. To a point. Then it degrades very quickly

[lusty grotto]

i cant!

CS baked is fucking fun though

or was

its... been a while

[exotic spoke]

Haven’t played CSGO since before legion.
I was good then

[lusty grotto]

i feel like we're going on a circle here

btw i was drunk just about every single day i was out

[exotic spoke]

We have eerily similar experiences

[lusty grotto]

you know whats the best about vacation binge drinking

[exotic spoke]

Rank 11 in classic. High MMR arenas in BC / WotLK.
Both horde and alliance at some point
Both prot now.

[lusty grotto]

no hangovers cause you basically hair-of-the-dog it

[exotic spoke]

Drink more water

[lusty grotto]

neg

no need

hair of the dog ftw

[rancid palm]

!essences

!essence

[lusty grotto]

yes, hello!

hi

[exotic spoke]

[sacred bear]

so early impressions on Queen Azshara heroic?
is it very difficult? worth the time? is there a good strategy i can reference

[hardy kiln]

its annoying more so difficult tbh

[exotic spoke]

There were several bugs when it came out. It seems intricate. As of right now only 7 guilds have killed it.

Make of that what you will

[sick sentinel]

Basically, wait a month or two

Asking how hard it is day 1 on heroic is an extremely moot point once ur heroic geared

[modern brook]

isnt it only a non-moot point like this week

while its still the content

[exotic spoke]

Pretty much? My guild will likely kill her once and then go do mythic - or at least start splitting the time

[modern brook]

I expect my guild to start M prog around the 2nd to last boss

most of the other bosses seem pretty mechanic light

[exotic spoke]

I think thats fair.

[modern brook]

WE downed normal azshara in ~ 5h, im not geared enough for h prog rn so i sat out

[exotic spoke]

I jumped in the end of my guilds social / off night / drunk raid last night: there’s a lot for Azshara

[modern brook]

idk how far they got

THeres a lot but its all the same

at least on normal

kill adds, dont stand in bad stuff until you're supposed to

[exotic spoke]

Cleared everything else in 2 hours 15. Spent maybe 25-30 minutes on her and said yeah - not worth tonight

[modern brook]

an you Spell refelect Detonation?

[exotic spoke]

Not sure off hand.

[modern brook]

My gut says it just reduces it by 20%

I've been cloakingit

since i dont use protection anymore

[exotic spoke]

Shame

[modern brook]

someone else has to for science it

[exotic spoke]

Shame

Shame

[sick sentinel]

You see, it was foretold

The nerf to our talent made us trash

It's why everyone is jumping ship

Obviously

[exotic spoke]

Lol - he swapped a bit ago

[sick sentinel]

We all did when the nerf was announced on the ptr

We saw how fucking trash we were

Prot warr no longer good

[exotic spoke]

Not me- prot or riot

[sick sentinel]

I love prot but my heart will always go to feral

Since it's been my first since I started

[exotic spoke]

I will never have a main other than this character

[modern brook]

yeah im not a fotmer

@lusty grotto is just a better tank than me

and im the only rogue he knows

[exotic spoke]

RIP bull

[modern brook]

i keep both my rogue and my warrior end game ready generally

[sick sentinel]

Rogue ain't fotm

[modern brook]

but im so far behind rn

[sick sentinel]

It's fote

[modern brook]

Rogue is just cool man

I stand by energy/cp being one of the best ability resources in the game period

lots of fun micro optimization

[sick sentinel]

It's the only thing left to actually have something that makes u pay attention to

[exotic spoke]

insert World of Roguecraft video here where they describe Rogue players

[sick sentinel]

With runes/rp being a not so close 2nd

[modern brook]

Rune/ic power confuses me

cause im retarded

and dont understand inverse energy/cp

[sick sentinel]

[modern brook]

that really just says im bad at DK and have very little reason to not be bad at it since melee dps ill play rogue and tank ill play warrior

unless they make arms great again

[sick sentinel]

It's why I main druid, because I can play every aspect of dah game

[modern brook]

in which case call me bicepboy

[sick sentinel]

Caster, melee dps, tank or healer

[modern brook]

I just cant get into any of the druid specs

Healer a bit, but i recognize im not healing

im just playing baby feral and giving the tank a life bloom every now and again

[sick sentinel]

U gotta tap into ur inner fursona

[modern brook]

I tried my inner fursona is Gonk the Raptor, tbh

[exotic spoke]

And that’s where I lost all interest

[modern brook]

hes like sonic the hedgehog; but like ~5% faster

[sick sentinel]

The reason I love feral is just because we are still stuck in Wrath

Fucking snapshotting like it's the new hotness

Which I will never not love

[modern brook]

feral is def a lot of spinning plates

which is cool

honestly the cat forms suck though

🤷

[sick sentinel]

Dude DONT GET ME STARTED

[modern brook]

whats the point of having fun

if i look ugly?

[exotic spoke]

insert John Madden guide to playing Feral

[sick sentinel]

Lmao

[modern brook]

I aint about that quasimodo life u know?

[sick sentinel]

Ok so here's the beginners guide to feral
You gotta bleed the target
Now watch the timer
Now watch the energy
Now watch the combo points
Now watch ur procs
Now watch.....

And that's step 1

[modern brook]

step 2 is brag about how complex ur guide is to the unga bunga cavepeople slamming their assesinto the ground for 70% less damage than a week ago, yeah?

[exotic spoke]

Fine, I’ll insert it myself

[modern brook]

what is this a john madden guide for ants

nvmi found the open original button

[undone sun]

👓

[sick sentinel]

Lol

[modern brook]

t e n o r

i might be rolling druid

I never thought of that

@lusty grotto make way for the druid main

[outer dew]

smh

filfthy bull

trying to be fotm

[sick sentinel]

It's the rule/contract u sign when u start raiding as a druid

[outer dew]

i just realised you still have that pfp for the meme catfishing days

LMAO

[modern brook]

??? those days never ended dude

I'm selling my shower-runoff for $200 per natty-ice can

[outer dew]

oooh

i sell my booty sweat

for $500 a can

[modern brook]

respect

[modern brook]

I dont sweat, i glisten, because u know gamer girl and stuff

plz give gold

[exotic spoke]

Seems legit

Can we talk on disc?

[modern brook]

👀

my rate is 50gold/minute

[exotic spoke]

First

You know. I’m sure you’re legit. But I have to be sure

[sick sentinel]

[outer dew]

you need to send bull moeny for a mic first

come on

riki

[sick sentinel]

Lol

[outer dew]

you can't just cold open with getting her on mic

[exotic spoke]

Ohhh my bad

[outer dew]

she wants a blue yeti for some quality time with you

[exotic spoke]

What’s that. A couple hundred right?

[outer dew]

just venmo her a casual $150

yeaaa

[exotic spoke]

Sounds legit

[outer dew]

ez

[sick sentinel]

Riki looking to get a Skype chat with bull like

[exotic spoke]

I’m not that thirsty

Take down maybe half a notch

[warm plinth]

Riki = Riki Lake from the old talk show

[junior ivy]

lol

[exotic spoke]

I’ve actually met a lot of people from wow

[ebon lagoon]

Overwhelming Power, Azerite Globules, or Shimmering Haven?

[warm plinth]

Overwhelming Power

Hands down

[junior ivy]

why riki

[ebon lagoon]

Ok

[sick sentinel]

Wtf kinda question is that lol

[junior ivy]

my old guild does a guild bbq every summer , i awlasy tohught itd be kinda cool to go

but it's too far

its in chicago

[warm plinth]

Aren't you Canadian?

[junior ivy]

yeah

[exotic spoke]

Cause I played so much with them and I was in the area or we lived close to one another

[junior ivy]

i just met the one person from wow

[exotic spoke]

My arena partner - lots of guildees. Actually grew up in the same town as one person and didn’t even know it .

I didn’t know them but it was interesting

[warm plinth]

Way to be anti-social

[cobalt meteor]

Anyone know the best ztroll loa for prot?

[exotic spoke]

My arena partner - lots of guildees. Actually grew up in the same town as one person and didn’t even know it .

I didn’t know them but it was interesting

[warm plinth]

Paku

Way to be anti-social @junior ivy

[junior ivy]

lol id meet people if they lived closer

[exotic spoke]

I think I’ve met 20-30?

[warm plinth]

I've met a few

[exotic spoke]

Maybe more?

[warm plinth]

Where you from Riki?

[junior ivy]

lol ghash i should show you a screenshot

[exotic spoke]

Of a gnome?

[warm plinth]

Where you from Riki?

[exotic spoke]

MD

[warm plinth]

Also Discord stahp with your failed messages -_-

[junior ivy]

no its not a gnome

[warm plinth]

Oh, that's cool lol; the few people I've met from WoW, I actually met up with in Wilmington. Took a bus to Baltimore to meet them

[exotic spoke]

lol

[warm plinth]

rofl...

[junior ivy]

i had no idea who he was lol

[warm plinth]

Wait, North Sydney like Australia?

[exotic spoke]

No Canada

[junior ivy]

north sydney like canada

we have a sydney too

[warm plinth]

Oh, okay. I was gonna say how tf did you meet them on a dating app if they're from Sydney.

Oh, okay. I was gonna say how tf did you meet them on a dating app if they're from Sydney.

[junior ivy]

ours is much smaller lol

ours is much smaller lol

[warm plinth]

Oh, okay. I was gonna say how tf did you meet them on a dating app if they're from Sydney.

[junior ivy]

hahah

[warm plinth]

Man what is Discord's deal right now

Man what is Discord's deal right now

[junior ivy]

yeh itrs not sending my msgs either

[warm plinth]

Having to resend like every message

[exotic spoke]

Ditto

[junior ivy]

yeh itrs not sending my msgs either

[exotic spoke]

Currently at 24 people met and I know several are in the DMV area ghash

So may continue to rise

[warm plinth]

lol

They actually paid for me to get there and back. I was living in KY at the time

[exotic spoke]

From guildees

[outer dew]

i've met

like 5 people from my WC3 days

lol

[exotic spoke]

Jesus that’s a lot. If I travel I see if guildmates I like are close

[outer dew]

i swear to god, every time i see DMV

[warm plinth]

Yeah they bought me a bus ticket to get there and a plane ticket to get back lol (cheapest ways ofc but still)

[outer dew]

i think of department of motor vehicles

why would you guys use that as an acronym

😂

[exotic spoke]

Dc Maryland Virginia

[outer dew]

I know

[exotic spoke]

Bitches

[warm plinth]

You're a Department of Motor Vehicles

[outer dew]

but every time

i see DMBV

I can't help but be like

???

[exotic spoke]

Dave Matthews band Virginia?

Sorry 25. Forgot one.

[junior ivy]

riki youre in DC?

[exotic spoke]

I live outside of DC in Maryland. It’s like a 25-30 minute drive to get to the metro

[junior ivy]

the guy i met from wow is from DC lol

[exotic spoke]

👀

Probably not me though since I haven’t met a Canadian. What server do you play on?

[sand egret]

why are you trying to meet people in the DMV

[junior ivy]

well i met him in this discord first

[sand egret]

that place is hell

[junior ivy]

and then transferred to sargeras realm for him

i used to play on rexxar

[sand egret]

why are you trying to meet people in the DMV