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LOL
By slightly I mean we pulled all the packs in the third bosses room and when that happened those where the only two mobs left up
So that’s what.... 9-10 stacks of bolstering?
🤦
hmm giga bolster ftw
I’ve been saying we hadn’t been respecting bolstering all night: it just came back and gave us a taste of karma
godzillaaaaaa
them are some big ass horses
avatar procing essence does give me quite the uptime 
also enthrallers influence (new WB) trinket has good uptime
Also - 10 stacks. They had 10 stacks of bolstering
Raw damage of one attack was 361k
And two of them hit at the exact same second
@sick sentinel does asmongold do anything besides star jaw agape into a camera during mount wars?
clips.
What was the potential one hit kill boss? I'll have my co-tank pull that one 😏
probably the eye guy
He fucking trucks
the hatcher dude
Avatar prepull so u can sb before he's aggro'd tbh
yeah but I just kinda wanna troll my co-tank
Avatar. -> charge -> shield block
Its ever so slightly different to charge abatar sb
Double charge 😃
I'm not sure what you're talking about
But im not in disagreement
so its a big 🤷 from me
Ahh I dunno. Fair
get SB up before u get punched in the face - a new novel centered on how to play prot warrior
That hurts
Its apart of my trilogy of non-fiction fables
the other two of course being, shields: similar to your chest, but not yours and Foot and Boot do not rhyme but we use them both so get clapping
:literalgarbage: was an emoji widely used in legion to describe the worst of the worst trinkets in WoW history
buy it on amazon, support your authors
tfm8
you know
i tried watching asmongold... once
🥑
An emoji used to refer to ALAVISTO, a ragey russian kid that was parts funny but you couldn't really quite tell if he was trolling because, well, russia
ok im not gonna write the entire thing, get it on amazon for your kindle and shit
anyway back to asmongold
i tried watching him... once
when he was doing the dark souls thing
i basically ctrl alt deleted twice to a restart because that shit was absolutely horrible
old man joke
😢
hi tofu
no
viable
Lmao
im sorry
shoulda been a bear
:^)
Lmao, I'm an asshole
What are you saying nim
uhhh nothing
That’s what I thought
please turn warmode on so i can kill you... with hugs, i love alliance
You know, I had the same key as lead last night
And yeeted my key in
Always wanted to do it
you can yeet....IN?!
It’s been on for like 5-6 days now
Yes
did they rage quit though
i hate the internet.
WTF man
was this a 5
Nah, a 9
were they pugs?
I did
We both had td 9
And a dh was in group
Fucking chucked that thing in
Right at 1
idk
i havent played an alt since like
a month
but now that i have flying, i might play them a bit
a female night elf rogue alt
idk anyone like that sorry
any of the trinkets from the raid good for us?
hey gnomes are good, if only they had smeld
yeap
i was thinking
fuck
i pulled aggro
tried to smeld
and then cried because gnome racial
basically any non-ProtWar tank is in style atm
mostly because it's finally a time where we're not the de-facto meta, so people are trying out new tanks
I am there
oh
ya ninny
rigatony will carry you
haha well Rigatony is there
I stopped playing alliance because Tofu never added me. True story.
but he's all you'll need
ikr ghash
I do have my Ret pal that I kinda just wanna pump with
we could of played with the dudu
😦
Coward
btw masstercard and i started some shit in Rustbolt last night, got assassin twice lmao
the rp value
Not a gnome hunter
then horde was complaining about alliance cause they all raided up
i have self-respect.
Self-respect=coward
incase catfriend pops out
gnomes are just wannabe dorfs
@junior ivy
what a toxic guy
snitches get stitches

U can't stop the inevitable
the cutest mage
lmao
maybe I just go all in on Rigatony this season
still in full heirloom gear
Bitch u can't see ur face
weird looking paperweight
i would have to log on Nimch too
I don't have that problem
Because I can't even log on
I'm gonna wait a month or 2 to get carried heroic
is the dps M+ essence the weird kamekameha beam?
I thought that was a healer essence
🤔
Idk if it is, I just remembered seeing either that or another beam like it from wowhead but that article was talking about tank and healer r4 essences so thats why I thinks it's a healer one
Blade ur not cool, ur the worst
oh fuck off nome
:^)
yep, absolute garbage confirmed
Fucking shit nome. Get out. I need a 440 weapon
:^)
And or shield
dw ill never get a shield
There u go
???
SHOW ME YOUR GNOME
nope i dont have gnomes
That’s a private thing
sorry
show me pleasepleaseplease
yes tofu show your gnome
ya'll need Jesus
oh good lord
😦
Wait - I thought everyone just had pictures of their gnome
i have an instagram for my gnome
lmao
I am true chais
i havent updated it since legion
lmao
It's like you don't even care about gnomes or something
Oof. Low blow
I mean, what am I supposed to think? She hasn't updated it since Legion
^
i will but ive been too preoccupied with no mans sky
with BFA pics!
i love no mans sky 😦
Well right now I'm looking at No Gnomes Sky
^
lolol
Vision of Demise as protection?
I don't even know what that is
Visions of Gnomes
Visions of Updated Gnomes*
yes yes
trinket from 7th boss in new raid @warm plinth
One of the gnomes I raid with
@junior ivy why cant you be like that gnome
what's the best way to claw out one's eyeballs?
That actually looks pretty good
The trinket, not that transmog. Idk what the fuck that is.
He does lots of random things. He usually has pepe on
He also has a metric fuck ton of gold
show me more of him
I can’t cause I’m not home. That was from the armory
o okay
remmeber that gnome i tracked down.. what was his name again
i gotta find him
@hard glen
this guy
he was a cute gnome
@young oasis , it's a good amount of haste if you can game it, but the duration is on the low end. 1 min cooldown does make it easier to use but I'd imagine you'd have to game it to really get that value
Nah its cool shes allowed
jesus christ did you really spam him
I'm not sure who is crazier. Her for spamming a random stranger, or him for actually responding after that introduction.
lmao
LMAO
i think in ff14
i saw a pig thing
and i chased down someone on their mount
just to look at it
im gonna be honest
ok be honest
i like the gnome riki posted better
no
LMAO
you wouldn't spam rikis friend?
@hard glen has a nice transmog, and he has those funny eyes looks like hes stoned
and hes a warrior.
a prot warrior.
fair enough
id spam rikis friend too but maybe not as aggressively
maybe just a "hi little gnome" once or twice
hmm i see i see
I think "hi little gnome" is probably the creepiest initial message you could receive from someone
Besides some like...Buffalo Bill type shit
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
hi little gnome is my go-to gnome greeting
cat you're amazing
I’m scared for my gnomie
Did I?
oh buffalo bill
might as well just rent an unmarked van at this point cat
nvm
lmao
i dunno last time i met a really adorable gnome from this discord we ended up dating for a few months 😂
maybe invest in some rubber tubes and ski-masks
now im scared of logging on my gnome
Oh lord
🤔
dont be scared to be a gnome
LMAO
enjoy the attention
i dont know about this
I was a gnome for a bit. I wonder if I still have pics of it. I’ll check but probably not 😦
red flags all over
i'll only catfish as a female NE
quick nav or naga hide ?
tyvm
I can only assume the natural corollary to that would be goblin - gamer bathwater
I'm trying to be a Gamer GF tbh; my bullfangofan cash is running low
HEY MAN
i definitely didnt buy green fire for my quaternary alt
you gotta diversify your bonds
i wish icould be a gnome in no mans sky
aw
i have lots of gnome pics saved up somewhere
i can find them
if you guys wanna see
😬
LMAO
can we not call them gnome pics plz
The gnome I posted paid for me to go from human to dwarf to gnome to space goat
And you should definitely not put a bow on it beforehand
gnome pics are meant to be shared
Just cause he was bored. With gold
ive offered to pay certain people to go gnome
@oak heart quick nav
Yeah tofu. Did it on ptr and then yesterday.
pepehands
Took me Maybe an hour fifteen!
How is Mecha?
?* yesterday
ill do mechagon
5 prot war mecha
Rigatony has got you tofu
me, ghash, riki, nimchip, tofu, bladesong
I like mechagon. I enjoy the fights and ambiance. I like the long style dungeon. It feels well designed
unless any of you are horde
Nim is horde
My warrior is still alliance for the time being, but only 397 ilevel
hmmm
thats higher ilvl than me
ahem Rigatony says otherwise
I’m doing it again tonight for other guildees. Probably do it a third time for others this weekend
i tried to mod and cheat in no mans sky but cant figure out how
so i might give up on it
5 prot will likely not work on last boss.
Eh, maybe with enough CoF. Fucker hits hard and it’s magic damage as a basic attack
just fucking cold
So it's 100% sure that you can't get the rank 2 visions blueprint from last boss first week?
DO PEOPLE STILL USE COF?
Crucible of Flame, not Convergence of Fates
Rank that shit up and it hits hard.
Yeah different CoF
i remember my sister got a 925 CoF on her ret pally in legion
CoF + Perfection + AM + lucid
and she sucked so bad
Hows prot feeling in M+ seniors
and everyone hated her
still godtier
Strong
viable
Says the druid that isn't even playing druid
you know i heard bear was better but i only see lkie 1 bear for the top 15 keys
rest is brm/war
Unless you get hit by two commanders with ten stacks of bolstering on siege 7 at the exact same second
cause brms and wars are geared from last patch
bear is not better
🤔
Because there’s no real reason to do keys higher than 7 lol
bear is good
its BEARly better
reported
stop
🗞
sigh
Its way to early in the season to use results as a reliable metric tbh
your sample size is like 100 people at most
We feel strong pulse.
500 people but not necessarily 500 different people
thats >100 tanks, accounting for overlap since its by key not by group
like yeah you can check it, im just saying this early on its not a reliable metric
Not to mention the new affix combo
even im only 425 :<
Not to mention the drastic effect of 30+ ilvls of secondary stat scaling and 3rd essence that will come once people are mythic geared*
And some people are just farming 6s
im not excited for beguiling tbh
riki bby, takem e to some 6 farms 😉
im getting back into raiding cause i feel like this season will be a 15er and done
aite bby
gimme gimme that btag
Riki is taking Rigatony on all the farms.
and balde
im just looking for a class that i can tank in M+ and dps in raid
gimme gimme btag
so rn its between ww brew | fury prot | bear feral
What Ilvl is rigatony now blade?
@gritty vale paladin is safest bet rn
any choice would work Pulse
of those 3, bear feral is easiest to gear
of those three. Bears are in a better spot, Stagger is always gonna be strong, and Prot is still rock-solid
but yeah the weapon overlap on feral/bear is really nice
I would def make the decision on funness to play over throughput in content
Avatar up time is very nice
i dont think any of the tanks will be particularly bad this patch
but he's got a lot of heart
I like not having to use a GCD on a major essence
maaaybe vengence / bdk its tough to call, but not unplayable so
VDH feels nice tbh
We've had this discussion a trillion times blade
Oh, underwater boss is cheeseable for us in palace
cant figure out if the effect on these wrists is better than the stats on my current wrists.
I will just put forth my $.02 that says the spec has a lot of fucking problems that were unaddressed in its buffs
But i concede that its core rotation is fun to press
but 562 party :^(
Zero secondaries bull
Easy decision.
At first I thought he was saying because of leech
@vague abyss as a general rule of thumb, an activated effect needs to be very good to out do secondary stats
a revenge every 30 seconds and some tertiaries is not very good
i was leaning towards the 410 also, due to stats, but wasnt sure, since its new bracers and wasnt sure of their value
aite blade
and Bull, when I mean feel, I am speaking directly to those problems.
are we still using DC-3x BoM - IF- Bf I setup?
fuck dude just dm me
Wait i misread
Im tryna have this discussion just not here, you know?
Yes, cause new k values hurt
are the sheets updated with he new values
god seems like im luck of deffense. even m+ 9 adds hits hard
That’s because of new k values cyborg
New k values + new scaling = ouchies
just spread your cheeks
nice and wide
because prot warrior is shield dependent
it's the same at the start of bfa
oh thanks. one more question. what we do against void emissary? pugging some keys but dps is not enough to burst it tho
people are still in the "pop cds whenever"
but im assuming ur los-ing already
rather than plan out their cds
You can survive 2 casts (if needed)...gives you 26 seconds to kill it
But depends on key level since you really wouldn't want to drop to 25% in higher keys
@warm plinth doesnt the 2nd do 100% of ur health?
No, it does 75%
oh i thought it was 50+50
Base cast does 50% max HP, then the first buff gives them 50% additional damage, but it's multiplicative, not additive
im retarded
:/
kind of
you don't understand how tempting it is
maybe not so much
:^(
fuck it
Has anyone tried reflecting the void emissary? I doubt it works but I am curious lol
we know
@warm plinth I'll do it later today
it doesnt work
I'll do it anyways
Yeah I didn't think so
see if you can somehow make it focus someone else
and if you can refelect it then
:^)
good ole cylcone strike
🤔
lol, it's probably an environmentally sourced cast
Because the casts go off even if the entire party is out of LoS I believe
No memes. Just be sad we can't reflect

Hmmmm anyone know if queen Azshara was killed today?
She's been killed; idk if it was today or yesterday though.
I didn’t think she was killed last night.
I’d check wowprogress but it’s not working

Thyme with the Rhymes
I’m dead inside does that count thyme?
Thyme to rhyme on a dhyme
Having an issue with Ashvanes coral placement. I’ve read that it’s 100% RNG but also just heard it’s ‘within 10 yards’ of a player. Anyone know? Anyone stacking up just before coral casts?
Not sure Calav. But you have to clear it 100% after every phase. Regarding barnacle strike you will need to place the coral carefully.
Last night we tended to step into the cutting coral right before barnacle strike was cast to overlap as much as possible
Oh
Were overlapping them a lot now, after seeing how full it gets.
Our issue is getting lots of coral right up in melee while also getting some on the fully opposite wall, making destruction a huge pain.
Oui oui
its your brothers and sisters!
Yeah, we got a good amount in melee. I had to step into coral to soak some of the orbs or move her along the outer edge of the wall quickly to bypass some coral
Alright, I think we’re doing it right, stacking the coral pools, i was just hoping there was a way to control the spawns a bit to ease the destruction
Ty
Normal azshara was, I dont think heroic was
https://www.wowhead.com/item=159459/ritual-binders-ring&bonus=1572:4779 vs. https://www.wowhead.com/item=162548/thornwoven-band&bonus=1587:4779
lots of haste vs. stam and vers... what do you guys think is the best?
This blue ring of item level 340 goes in the "Finger" slot. It is looted and sold by NPCs. In the Rings category. Added in World of Warcraft: Battle for Azeroth.
@willow scarab @sick sentinel
@upper surge i'd personally go with ritual if the same ilvl, if they are the 15 ilvls apart as your links suggest, i'd probably just go with the 415 since stam is always nice and you're still getting nearly 60% of the haste of the first while also getting substantially more vers
general in EP is great
Lol
im guessing in this case stats > 5 ilevels?
Anyone know which Red punch card is better Subroutine: Overclock (big Haste proc) or Trajectory Analysis (Stacking Dodge proc)?
The haste proc
How is arcane heart for prot in M+?
is this a goth gnome
🤔
i think you catfished catfriend
tbh
kinda wish i have a priest
when i look at tthis tmog
but some of the pieces are mage only
lmao
i see i see
Is essence from King Mecha 100% drop?
The first one I believe should be
yes
So what is our opinion on trait stacking for EP for now are we pushing more towards dps trait stacking while still in heroic or going for more survivability based builds ?
Do you think you need more survivability?
No not really
Then go dps.
Yeah true but traits like Bastion are always nice
uhhh
Bastion is dps in some fights because of adds / avatar up time
im confused
bastion gives you mastery
mastery increases attack power
are you saying bastion isn't an offensive option?
🤔
No I am saying that "some" view other traits over bastion as means of pure dps output. Not in any way saying its not a dps option
I assume you’re talking about RF and such?
RF and TC? i mean
For single target fights?
Not saying where I am getting my opinion but around the different sites I see pure dps traits valued over it
well damage proc ones to be exact
🤔
bullyingchip
The answer is - it depends. It depends on how good your healers are, how good you are. How geared everyone is.
If you don’t think you need it and you think your healers can keep you up then favor dps
You can sim your character to find the best dps traits for you - just remember avatar up time went up significantly
🗞 @lusty grotto
Personally, I just stick to my 3 BoM 1 DC for now and later I’ll probably add more dps in after we learn the fights.
It is extremely rare for tank dps to matter in a raid. Well the difference in tank dps from you going full survival to full dps to matter
Also, I e found a nice way to pad on ashvane. Wonder how long until it gets fixed
Can’t say it. The more people who know about it the faster it would get fixed
that's a paddling
Also, I lose my competitive advantage if I say it.
Dude I’m just going to do it on my brewmaster to make them all seem even
be honest, its having nimchy right
Was a great bait however because now everyone wants to know
But - warriors can break out of the bubbles she puts us in with berserker rage.
Just not everyone
that's not it right
Nope. It’s obvious we can do it because it says “incapacitated”
but is it... cosby incap
or like
shit i really wanted to go on that dark humor ride
so ill just say, concussion incap
friend posted a awesome cosby meme the other day.. said bitch please how do you know you were asleep
nah its funny
If you are I am going also I will save you a seat
Dude I had a guy working with me for a while that had cerebal pausy and he only hand one had that worked and I told him to use both hands... dude I cracked up... I am definitely going for that
Any opinions on the Chain of Suffering trinket for raiding?
lol did he laugh at it
uhh... maybe
jesus christ ok we're done haha
_>
How did that sound nim? Can’t say it to keep it from being fixed can I
And good pad right?
It’s sick.
Actually it’s just one multi boxing
Know - but maybe someone she wants to meet
what are some trinkets i should be aiming for for m+ tanking?
Any tips for P1 queen azshara? I've died every pull so far when the adds are around 2-4%
Ok on a different note how is the punchcard looking for us in compare to say other trinkets. I would assume based off of what its item level is from cards put in it, but I am wondering if it really is going to have much value to us with the lack of main stat. My hunch says no
Normal or heroic ferment
heroic
You don’t do that fight right now it’s bugged.
That’s my advice from everything I’ve read
0 kills so far
Bugged, how?
Dropping cursed heart pools at all times instead of when they should only drop them during longing.
We stopped after ashvane
Hmm, that fight seems....fishy
So I don’t have first hand experience. But apparently other bugs - just don’t see them specified on /r/competitvewow
Yeah that seemed extremely annoying to deal with.
i'm starting to think vop might not even be bis main for dps
65%+ uptime and it’s only rank 1 though
66% or not viable.
maybe it's the rank one and crucible of flame is rank 2
That’s onbfights with lots of down time
then i demand 68.537%
Like where I have to swim across a god damned ocean
haha!
@oblique garnet you around / raiding tonight?
Yes?
Check pms
goblins
I have a goblin
🤦
Don’t you dare insult Probablyriki
wow, didn't even name it Rikileaks or RikiLake. Not gonna lie, i'm a little bit disappointed
It was a play off of the horde char I made 15 years ago to talk to people horde side
“Notriki”
Too many characters
My Druid riiki. Cause it has two ‘i’s (well in the middle) and the person I was playing with only has one eye
not Treeki?
Nope - fuck healing
smart man
but that's why you gotta bait people into thinking you're healing then BOOM...hit em with that kitty
there's a reason I always start my keys in Tree Form. Every so often you get someone who gets hilariously confused
I mean last night my resto Druid was saying “I’m not heading these keys”
As we farmed 6-8s.
Oh he was resto. Just set up for maximum kitty dps
Tbh
The play should be 1 tank 4 dps
Just blowup the pack and fish feast to heal
Imagine the speeeed
I've wondered about doing keys with 5 ret pal or 5 ferals
And just swap tanking between everyone
tbh, with a few ferals/rets that's a solid chunk of offhealing. Esp Feral you're constantly popping those Regrowths anyway for BT
you're not even viable
Kek
... So first time tanking new raid from start as warrior and I am loving it. Thanks for all the advice and discussion lads 👌
Nice 👌
Gratz man
With the Vison of Perfection minor power reducing the cooldown of Avatar and desynching it from using it with every other Demo Shout, should we be intentionally delaying the shout to use with every Avatar or allowing the desync to occur and just syncing back up when they get close to each other again?
No.
Just use it. Demo shout will be up again quickly.
You’d be losing out on rage over the course of a fight if you do that
^
Figured as much, thanks
Pretty much
Gnome for catfriend
also i dont have zandalari rip
Or bootleg gnome
i dont see much pandaren around i was considering pandaren female
Goblin
fuck golbins
Lol
Panda female is fun
I use to be a panda female
Their size makes plate look decent
Animation gets a bit of getting use to
or orc idk. see, i really like orc for arms/fury but for prot idk
Unlock zand. My war was Tauren from van till now
Whatever looks cool.
Goblin racial is pretty good if you have to be horde
all my friends, plus guild is horde so yeah otherwise id probably be human female. thats always been my favorite warrior race
i do have an alliance warrior but shes 112 lol
so whats the best ZT racial for prot war so far this patch? we still quick bois?
I'm thinking bout going undead
Only been hm female for 2 weeks but undead seems fun
@tender igloo basically everybody is running paku
Part of me wants to go back human, space goat, or gnome.
@strong forum just curious on why paku? is that purely for DPS boost? Kragwa seems more for survivability
Yea that seems like a good choice, crit gives us parry too @ivory peak but damage is wonderful to have as well
We don’t need more survivability.
Especially against physical / clickable damage. Which is why people tend to choose offensive abilities
^
Clickable damage XD
cook those chickens with that thunderclap
Using paku
I'm still doing insane damage btw after the talent nerf.
Dwarf / dark iron clears magic debuffs
DID also can give a fuck ton of strength. So it’s nice as both offensive and defensive
I went way towards the crit end for my M+ build last tier and its doing fine
lower than it was for sure
but I'm still slapping
I was 30k+ dps overall prior. Now around 20k
We have more sustained dps and less burst
We have more sustained how?
Longer uptime of avatar
the essence?
DPS overall is going to be lower anyway because you don't have massive reaping packs padding the meter.
Only because essences were introduced for everyone.
But that 30 to 20 was with reaping
But yeah.
That too.
I’m not saying our overall dps is higher. I’m saying our dps is smoother - doesn’t have as insane mountains and valleys
Then you didn’t have Perfection when you compared that
you also have ot remember
most people doing low-keys again
some people gonna get sniped in damage
No I had default essence. But it was a big hit at least until you get new gear and essences and lvl your neck
Perfection is very nice
And part of the nerf was likely because of Perfection. So comparing pre and post with out having Perfection is silly
yeah im pretty sure avatar got nerfed because of perfection
your avatar uptime goes through the roof
much shorter CD which means dumping rage gets you avatarded ™ even faster
i've had rolling avatar into another avatar too
shit's cray
what dungeon is decent to spam for shields? i figure i might as well try to get a 420+ shield or something
my shields 400 so
BoM is probably even better defensively now as you have that mastery for longer. More crit block
Good point
@exotic spoke LUL
is that avatar uptime?
yes
redonk
I know! It’s amazing isn’t it?
on zagul hc
ahh yeah
I had 65 or so on the underwater one
Even with swimming a fucking mile
It’ll only get better right?
Hey been away from wow since 8.0, ip was taken off gcd now prot waras are gods ?
Ah we stopped after ashvane. Some people had issues and we brought a fuck ton of recruits
Ill pm you something juicy
A fucking 28 man raid
Oh nice
@crimson quarry yes
Just to clarify, IP being taken off GCD is not why prot wars are good.
@oblique garnet ye I had like 65% Avatar uptime in m+ with VoP, fucking juicy
Actually insane
But cof is prolly still better for ST pump
I admit it felt clunky asf on gcd, but other ppl learning to accept them, what changed ?
People realized we have insane dmg output and insane physical midigation
And we got a fatty mastery trait for Avatar
Our mitigation was buffed since 8.0 as well
It was a combination of adding BoM, adding three more major traits, blocking ranged attacks, the minor buffs, and reaping being introduced
That was an incredibly minor buff
Mitigation-wise, the ranged projectile blocking was miles above any other change.
new enchants not worth btw? it's still quick nav for everything?
Force Multiplier is very strong for DPS
@warm plinth thx!
Force multiplier
Nome im expecting higher uptimes on m+
I remember running and timing a +10 5man prot war team during infested because no one wanted to group with prot
Ive been getting 70-80% on raid xD
Glad stuff has changed
It’s worth
Might use it on Sunday
so the rank 2 of vision of perfection
do i have to wait till next week to get the blueprint?
i think so.
Believe rank 2 is an RNG drop
Could be wrong
After killing king mechagon the first time
which major essence do you use in M+? I'm currently using anima of life and death rank 2.
I’ve just been using vision
Yes
any decent target mark addons out there?
Or weakauras
@quasi mural use the addon called opie
And make a macro that shows all markers in a circle works wonders
440 wep and 430 shield? Sickening @strong forum
What thing
No idea. I doubt they'd let that fly, but stranger things have happened.
