Or are we doing something wrong
#protection
exotic spoke
sturdy void
Should only have 2 phases of exposed
trim bay
lusty grotto
hmmm stewart is happy
went into rustbolt and there was a shitload of alliance weee haha
lethal plaza
is Undulating Tides decent?
ripe mason
There's something about Thunderclap extending your Demo shout duration.
What's my rotation to ensure the longest possible demo shout?
Other than just spamming Thunderclap whenever it's up.
warm plinth
That's pretty much all you have to do; you can only extend it 3 times so you do Demo>TC, then TC again when off CD, then TC again when off CD. That's it.
warm plinth
Depends on if you have Avatar up or not I suppose
lethal plaza
yeah 3
warm plinth
Really all you have to do is make sure that TC is cast soon after Demo Shout and then use it on cooldown.
silk yoke
What's everyone's opinions on the Edict trinket? I can't seem to find a reason to use it over my Prism, even with 20 ilvl advantage. Wondering if I might be missing something
ionic fern
Well, 40s seems to fit more into raids over m+.
oblique garnet
havent had the chance to test it out
ionic fern
If you swap roughly at 30s it should be decent.
charred void
undone sun
Nothing has changed
swift coral
on zaqul who do you think is better suited to tank the boss vs tether, war or monk?
sick sentinel
hi guys, sry im not that good in english, what that means pls : 2. No NSFW content whatsoever. ?
silver breach
Anyone use Bloodthirsty Urchin? Is it pretty good?
ionic fern
@sick sentinel "No not safe for work content".
sick sentinel
ok that mean -18 i gess so
solid owl
@swift coral I'm tanking boss and monk is taking tether, but realistically it should probably be the other way around
I'm just greedy for free revenges
actually what we're doing is probably better, we have monk statue taunting adds out of the middle of the room so it's better that I have boss, nvm
opal cave
YouTube, nice dungeon guide for the whole instance.
jagged pier
is the shield from mechagon worth equipping over a 415 shield already?
outer dew
@oblique garnet oi, do in eed to do anything to go into mechagon?
still aurora
https://www.wowhead.com/item=168965/modular-platinum-plating&bonus=4777
I just got this, anyone tried it out? (415)
blissful perch
hey guys i dont play a prot warrior but my raid tank does and hes getting slapped hard is there a haste cap he should aim for? im just looking for tips to help him out
ionic fern
@blissful perch no caps. Logs would be of more help if you have any. Post them in the #449510248579858432 and ping me.
@jagged pier which shield?
ionic fern
Chances are he's not using his CD's mitigation etc correctly.
Let him read the https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/protection-warrior-pve-tank-guide
For starters.
blissful perch
ok ty ill have a talk with him. i thought he wasnt using ip enough and stuff
thanks so much for your help
ionic fern
Ip should NOT be used too much. It's just a tiny buffer shield that's either used vs magic damage or to avoid rage capping.
blissful perch
yeah hes always rage capped
ionic fern
Je,that's bad.😂
blissful perch
lol
ionic fern
He should never rage cap. IP is off the gcd so he can use it when ever.
jagged pier
ionic fern
If it's 415 vs 415 then i see no reason not to use it 🤔
oblique garnet
@outer dew nothing
outer dew
tyty
trail coral
Is it worth using any of the new Wpn enchants?Naga Hide or Force Multiplier
signal crest
so what 6 traits do i want for prot dungeons?
distant crystal
fair crystal
hey when any ones free what benthic traits are worth rolling for us ?
strong forum
^pog
new affixes are retarded
theres SO MANY VOID EMISSARIES in FH
we didnt even time a 13
dark lark
13s feel like old 20s
strong forum
shit hits hard
dark lark
yeah
finite gull
Shadow emissarys all along rightside of atal dazar too 🙃
Now that I got the dps essence from m+ do i have to be prot loot spec for the other one? Or is there a vendor or some sort similar to the bg essence
mental scarab
How much did the lower the key with?
marble cipher
4
modest wedge
nomeratur what was your groups avrg rio? just getting an example what i should expect
paper dagger
any idea as to which of these would be better?
I also got this...
I just feel like the loss of secondary stats is a bit much
onyx vessel
i would say naga
since the use seems shit
relying on parrys and dodges are a poor tank style
plus more stats
paper dagger
ye i thought so, my guildies were trying to convince me otherwise, the weapon is a solid 15ilvl increase over my current
but no secondaries
spice ferry
Whatever does more dps
onyx vessel
^
since weap dmg = more dmg
so its guud
shit i dont have a 2nd trinket
fuck it phial is good enough better then channel pos pocetsized nerfed trash
paper dagger
and vision of perfection in major M+ wise right? Avatar uptime seems too good to pass up
with lucid in minor maybe
onyx vessel
or vision of perfection minor
and m+ essence as major
heard that was really good
Anima of Life and Death
paper dagger
yikes quick nav's price skyrocketed, someone price fixed hard
onyx vessel
sounds about right
paper dagger
Mechagon was a hell of a lot of fun to run though
onyx vessel
still need to finsh it
paper dagger
Makes me sad it wasn't implemented as a raid or at the very least as two M+
onyx vessel
well
paper dagger
Well, right. i mean currently though
i heard that isn't happening until s4 or later
which is laame
onyx vessel
anima is ok
if you wanna burst
but vision + lucid prob win
so is the essence drop based on your spec when you finsh m+?
or loot spec
solemn kelp
Is there a lockout on the O:M dungeon as it's a mythic only?
solemn kelp
Thought so. Thanks for confirming.
arctic sedge
np
ember arrow
wow good?
brisk ferry
wow fire, bfa garbo
ember arrow
ty
brisk ferry
any time
ripe mason
Got my triple Bastion.
1 Deafening and 3 Bastions.
When I get my BiS Azerite stuff it'll be 3 deafening and 3 bastions.
onyx vessel
im only at 2 bastions and 1 deafening
midnight pecan
Did waiting to open your m+ cache work? In terms of getting currency towards rank 3?
mortal pike
No just open it
midnight pecan
👍
willow scarab
The currency thing was a myth
manic hill
tier 1 troll move
analog swift
@onyx vessel late response but loot spec
analog swift
is it in the guides
exotic spoke
Vision
winter aspen
no vision yet
exotic spoke
For your first one it’s vision
analog swift
first minor is a bit up in the air
exotic spoke
CoF then for your first one
analog swift
yeah either CoF, lucid, maybe world vein if everyone is running it
exotic spoke
I Wouldn’t use vein or lucid as a major
analog swift
i was thinking first minor
exotic spoke
Lucid
sand egret
ya'll with your minors
sand egret
my poor ass still at 49
sand egret
¯_(ツ)_/¯
willow scarab
how are you not even 50
sand egret
don't play much + alts + I only do M+ (which gives diddly squat)
willow scarab
let alone 55
exotic spoke
I’ll be running vision as major and lucid as minor to test it while farming m+
We totally were disrespectful to bolstering last night. Like no fucks given
sand egret
none of my chars are above 50, actually
willow scarab
So strange to me that this far into 8.2 people aren't 55 yet
exotic spoke
Avatar with a base cooldown of 63 seconds was nice 😃
sand egret
does sound quite fun
willow scarab
feels weird using vision rank 1 with lucid rank 3
exotic spoke
Still worth imo
junior ivy
i dont think il lkeep playing wow. i got way too into no mans sky 😦
strong forum
decent 😃
fresh valley
this may be old news by now, but the engineering brez can actually backfire now in m+
willow scarab
nice
my friend got a 450 socket crit/haste cape on his alt dk
titanforge is cool
strong forum
fun.
exotic spoke
4 bosses - 4 tokens - only 2 pieces of gear. None from the tokens. RIP me. Well I have 4 more bosses and 3 more tokens at least
willow scarab
Were they good pieces at least?
I don't raid it for another 18 hours
someone's prot warr alt in the guild got shield, 3 pieces of tier and 2 430 off pieces
just in a pug
exotic spoke
One was a trinket and the other was the Azerite helm
willow scarab
are you an eng
exotic spoke
Nope - currently Alch / blacksmithing
willow scarab
then you're golden
exotic spoke
Yup. It has BoM / DC
sand egret
you're pretty garbo, not even 97
strong forum
it is
strong forum
ikr
also got every tank trinket, they all suck besides the one from ashvane which i traded to my cotank
unluck
sand egret
you be like: "use Shield Block to mitigate" and noobs will now be like "I dunno, you just some 96 parsing scrub....."
basically your Scarlet Letter
strong forum
literally
on zaqul we had like 10 people dead cuz we just grugged it
forgot to use the on use CoF for literally every boss so thats a huge loss
sand egret
that shit ranks up through your HoA levels right?
strong forum
ye
sand egret
ahh yeha not happening here haha
sand egret
yeah....
you missed the part where my shit is like a dollar store knock-off
my shit is so bad, Azshara don't even want me down there cuz it'll just fuck up that shit
"Come Champio-- oh shit, who let this broke ass busta in my palace...?!"
exotic spoke
Lol
willow scarab
dk in my guild got the 430 helm from hardmode mecha
it has
DC/BoM/OP/Impassive Visage
but for him it is a scrap for chalk 😃
swift pier
Hard mode mechagon?
modern brook
I come back from my raiding hiatus and my guild is running 6 warriors
:^(
officially no longer a prot warrior I'll miss u all
willow scarab
it's just like ulduar
wowhead did an article on it
what do you play now then bull
modern brook
Currently im gearing my rogue
swift pier
So I already ran it
modern brook
but once im caught up im going to probably swap between rogue and mage
willow scarab
nope
swift pier
Gay
willow scarab
we're fucked, 415 locked for us this week
rogue and mage look good this tier
mage/ele/aff/boomkin
modern brook
I know very little about mage tbh
But arcane looks really interesting with essences
willow scarab
Enjoy your new game
modern brook
❤ thanks fam I'll miss you guys
Is prot still fun post nerf?
My perception is skewed cause i tanked exactly 1 skittish and i actually had to retaunt stuff :^(
mystic whale
lets say the reason we got nerfed is extremely obvious once you get your hands on vision of perfection
oblique garnet
arcane gets barely anything fron essences
wheat bronze
Threat in general is kinda fucked at the moment with the OP Mythic+ laser beam. Not that noticeable on the warrior but my other tank classes have issues with snap threat.
wanton blaze
Not a prot specific question but what's the ilvl cap from m+ this reset, 415 or 420?
wheat bronze
455 is cap, base is 415
wanton blaze
Read my question
wheat bronze
Read my answer
mystic whale
infinite loop
wheat bronze
If you mean from the chest from yesterday, it is still 410. If you mean the upcoming chest, it is 440.
wanton blaze
Nothing to do with my question
wheat bronze
Maybe you should ask a better question
solemn kelp
does moment of glory stack?
wanton blaze
Before mythic raid opens the m+ loot is ilvl capped
wheat bronze
A DH in my group got a 450 yesterday, so ¯_(ツ)_/¯
willow scarab
He answered your question
415 is the highest drop in the keys
but it can titanforge to 455
You were just rude because you didn't understand
wanton blaze
There you go
willow scarab
415 is the base ilvl of the highest loot in m+
You also asked ilvl cap
which anyone assumes is titanforge cap 😃
sick sentinel
415 is base
sick sentinel
I mean if you want to run a fucking m0 have at it champ
wheat bronze
Jumps up to 430 base next week for +10 or higher
sick sentinel
Yes
still aurora
sand egret
lil' spicy up in there
exotic spoke
What’s up nim
hasty nova
Whew lads
wind talon
is new 430 azerite gear worth losing all 3 BoM traits?
inland cove
Can I ask why I am seeing more logs with people using devastator over booming?
exotic spoke
You get Ilvl upgrades you take the Ilvl upgrades if I recall. So yes papers.
wind talon
gotcha thanks, feel bad though lol
hasty nova
That dmg hazard
exotic spoke
hazard, they are going for pure single target parses. It is superior in a pure single target fight
hasty nova
also if ur using lucid you have more rage to play with, so the rage from booming is not as impressive or useful
and honestly I have been using it for mythic plus too riki to help kill the emissaries
exotic spoke
The reason for booming was the mastery 😃
exotic spoke
Eh, no reason to do that. Sacrifices too much Imo. With avatar up times being stupid
hasty nova
i think i'm 3 now 😦
exotic spoke
Haven’t done above a 7. No reason to until later in the week imo
Then we going straight to 17
inland cove
Thanks all👊🏻👊🏻👍👍
hasty nova
Riki i would advise against that, obviously do whatever you want but my group has been using other people's 10,11,12,13 keys to practice beguiling on
the new affix takes a lot of getting used to at least for my team
We didn't PTR it
I got a 17 Kings Rest in my bag and I am wondering where the emissaries will be
would like to plan my route etc etc out before i jump into the high boi's
exotic spoke
It’s inefficient for our plans. We don’t care about rio right now.
The most efficient thing for this week, to maximize rewards, is one (or up to three) times 7s for the essences.
Farm 6s for titanforges. And last in the week you do a single key as high as possible to maximize rewards for the chest next Tuesday
old night
is there a place I can find the best azerite combos with eternal palace included
i.e. this
exotic spoke
But yeah Gus - we didn’t ptr that either. Still just don’t care about beguiling. Next week we’ll actually start the grind and moving up / farming 10-14s.
Right now we’re showing no respect to bolstering. Did siege 7 last night. Pulled literally everything in the third bosses room - by pulling and resetting the boss.
hasty nova
Yeah, I just don't see the appeal of fast pulling 6 or 7 keys. But if your group all have an 18 or 17. you deplete each key. this weekend you could do 17, 16, 15 x5 for 15 dungeons total. at that key level EACH player will get a chance to get a titan forge instead of 6 or 7 keys where i think it's two or three? Then there is the added benefit of gaining xp with the new beguiling and routes.
Obviously the real thing is a matter of time,
AND mythic key spam is only worth while if you have already done your dailies, Heroic Raid, and other world and weekly quests
exotic spoke
We can’t do that many dungeons based on our schedules. They don’t often allow for prolonged periods like that usually we only have 2-3 hours post raid
It’s just a matter of bullshit and have fun while absolutely crushing low keys
hasty nova
Yeah time is always the cruncher
besides your right about one thing
crushing low keys is fun AF
exotic spoke
First four bosses in heroic down - hoping next four on Thursday’s raid. If not I may put it
Pug it
hasty nova
yeah we ran through normal first to get a feel for bosses and a few scraps of gear.
what bosses were particularrly hard in heroic?
for yall at least
boss 7 and 8 normal seem like heroic will be pretty rough
Ashvane seems like the patchwork fight of the raid
shut vapor
Chain of Suffering seems like a meme trinket. Any ideas on where it might be useful?
exotic spoke
Also, don’t emissaries change week to week.
We’re not a cutting edge guild - just putting it in perspective. 7/9 M on two night raid - and we brought in more than we should with recruits and all that.
I think ashvane took 6 pulls and nothing else took more than 3-4
Ashvane is not patchwerk for melee. They have a lot of movement
hasty nova
oh nice riki we were also 7/9M
I think I read somewhere that emissaries have 3 positions that the rotate from week to week
exotic spoke
Sloppy kills with botched mechanics but it’ll clean up
hasty nova
but i think they are the same for a week
exotic spoke
Do you only see 1 of each per dungeon?
hasty nova
lol no it's actually miserable at first
but quickly becomes doeable
there are like maybe 3 or 4 of each type
so like 12 total
the void (truesight) Ems are placed in positions that YOU KNOW are not random lol
exotic spoke
I hat healer do you run with in m+?
hasty nova
Druid
exotic spoke
Yeah - I figured as much
hasty nova
i don't really mind differnt types of healers, perhaps priests being my least favorite
exotic spoke
The placement I mean
exotic spoke
The truesight one
You said it wasn’t random. Yeah I figured it would be where key shrouds are
hasty nova
so in freehold, there was a void at the very begining in the center of all three mobs in front of the stairs
we thought to go around the side or back staircase to still skip
but there was a void at back staircase too
in shrine of storm there was a void on the Wind miniboss
gale girl or w/e
exotic spoke
Oh hey who knew - in the middle of popular shrouds
hasty nova
there was also a void on the bridge in shrine of storm
exotic spoke
Of course there was. Fuck that bridge. Gonna have to deathskip that one
hasty nova
the thing is, the voids are my favorite one now that i have practiced them all
the worst one is the tides by far imo
it like makes a bubble that you cannot kick the mobs around it
we got one of those in underrot with the lashers
and again in TD with the salt blast mobs before jes howler
the enchanted one that knocks back if you attack it is SOOOO dumb
that one reflects dmg to mobs you hit inside it's sheild
in TD we tested "for science" he screamed. the cannons will one shot you if you shoot a mob in emissary
also the cannons do zero dmg to all types of emissary
exotic spoke
Lol that’s funny
Yeah it’s 150% damage reflect. I’m still curious how that works with mind control and spell reflect
hasty nova
spell reflect is an interesting idea had not thought of that
exotic spoke
Our Druid believes he can handle at least two of the three emissaries by himself
hasty nova
void does the aoe dmg
truesight guy does pulseing shadow
that is simple as long as your group nukes it down
the other one says you can "cc" it
but we even did cc rotations the cc's last for like 1 or 2 seconds and are often around caster mobs
so unless ur a dk
ur not cc's those
and they are miserable
idk what he would do with it
arctic sedge
So I got a one handed sword thats 5 ilvl higher than my current one, but my current one has a socket with haste. Should I keep my old one?
exotic spoke
Higher Ilvl on weapon and shields always
hasty nova
ilvl > everything on weapons
although i am interested in his idea riki
I have done like 4 emissary dungons and idk what to do about the tide one yet
the other two are not so bad
the other two are not so bad, besides the truesight
exotic spoke
My idea for spellreflect was with a caster next to the damage reflect one.
Who takes the emissaries reflected damage if the mob hits himself with a spell
My idea for spellreflect was with a caster next to the damage reflect one.
Who takes the emissaries reflected damage if the mob hits himself with a spell
arctic sedge
how difficult are m+ now
lusty grotto
Sup @exotic spoke
exotic spoke
I don’t think they are bad!- but I’ve been spamming 6-8s only. Finishing them in about 15 - 20 minutes depending on the key
lusty grotto
I got flying yesterday, looks like I'm all caught up lmao. Just needed 1 day after that week skip.
exotic spoke
What’s your neck level nim?
lusty grotto
It's shit
exotic spoke
Rip. Have vision yet?
lusty grotto
Nah, will try to get the gang together tonight
exotic spoke
Double RIP.
lusty grotto
Nbd I'll get it today for sure
exotic spoke
Messed around with that and rank 3 lucid. Was pretty nice
exotic spoke
I’ll do 2 pvp islands tonight and a second mechagon run for some guildees
exotic spoke
Not really. Nothings required
dense flame
Not required. But sure helps
arctic sedge
gonna be interesting to see my performance then lmao
exotic spoke
63 second avatar cooldown before AM is fun though
lusty grotto
Hey riki
So it's next week for visions r2 yeah?
Or just do hardmode and whatever?
exotic spoke
So who knows how long that could take.
sand egret
it’s me-gated. no one gets the drop until I do.
lusty grotto
Well looks like I'll need to play the WQ game and push for mecha tonight
Awww shucks blade
Stewart will be mad with you
sand egret
dont look at me, his idea
hushed sand
Yo, quick question, do we really use new enchant nage hide instead of quick nav ?
lusty grotto
But he's too busy staring at Maeve the nether drake in full fly mode
Naga hide is crap last I heard
exotic spoke
Force multiplier is the go to
lusty grotto
It's either quick Navi or force thing
lusty grotto
Can't beat that full haste stack
hasty nova
shit i'm sitting on 350k and i'm trying to be cheap too, I have a feeling I'm about to blow a ton of money on prepots and pots for raid
so i know broke is in my future
exotic spoke
I lost 200k gambling last night in raid.
Fucking Druid
sand egret
remove the “k” and thats me
hasty nova
@arctic sedge you asked about mythic plus. it's hard as fuck right now. so far a 15key is the highest key timed in the world right now
exotic spoke
Oh well - down to like 800k
sand egret
richimon
hasty nova
now that will probably change, but i certainly don't expect people to be just jumping into 20s no problem.
below 10 is different story thats always ez
sand egret
definitely can feel the new curve, thats for sure
exotic spoke
I made a ton in legion from m+ carries. Have like $250 left in my bnet balance from moving tokens around after getting gold on other servers
Got up to like 4m gold and then started paying the rest of the group out from my gold and adding to my balance instead lol
hasty nova
top 13 timed runs in world are non warriors
guys
ladies
we need to step those number up!
those are rookie numberS!
exotic spoke
Druid?
hasty nova
monk paldadin monk pal monk DH monk Pal monk pal druid monk druid warrior
exotic spoke
Monk? Interesting lol
hasty nova
obviously week one doesn't mean shit lol it is just ppl who have time to do this right now
at the end of week it will reflect better
and by the end of week two or three it will probably be enough time to have the meta develop
sand egret
eyyy furboi up there
lusty grotto
Can you check how many of those have visions?
lusty grotto
Also I'm glad there's none warriors yay rerollers rerolling
hasty nova
monk is using ageis and nullifcation dynamo
lusty grotto
No what I mean is
hasty nova
paladin using lucid and vop minor
lusty grotto
It's natural to go that way if warriors don't have visions and also because people are overplaying the UF nerf probably
hidden kindle
is it still worth using vision of perfection rank 1?
since u cant get rank 2 this week..
lusty grotto
But more tank variation is good 👌
wispy plume
With vision I still do nutty damage lol.
lusty grotto
Why wouldn't it be
sand egret
Honestly Nim, I think there's a contributing factor that is simple variety. The UF nerf was the "justification" to stray from the meta and use another tank. There's definitely a portion of people who played warrior soley because it was top dawg.
wispy plume
It’s absolutely fun. Tbh with vision of perfection if they didn’t nerf us it would be like two or 3 prot warriors for trash clearing and then like 1-2 ST dps for bosses lol
sand egret
I bet there's people out there who just needed the excuse to swap
lusty grotto
Yeah that's why I said tank variation
analog swift
i like it too
was annoying when people assume you're playing a class because it's meta
sand egret
yeah, for sure. Regardless of their justifications, people who purely look at those ranks to make decisions won't be so close-minded to what is "viable"
wispy plume
I don’t have 55 yet I’m only 54 so I don’t have the lucid minor. But it will be even better with that so
analog swift
yeah absolutely, i feel like it's going to be guardian just because that brez is nice
sand egret
certainly feels a lot better to play
wispy plume
Raiding is always great for early gear jumps
lusty grotto
Just for trinkets even
lusty grotto
Fuck raiding though
oblique garnet
VoP + Lucid minor combo is completely fine
80% uptime on avatar is fine nothing is broken 8))
lusty grotto
Ye late
wispy plume
Without the lucid minor
ripe mason
I had a 50% uptime of shield block, that good?
lusty grotto
No
ripe mason
Okay
ripe mason
Yes.
lusty grotto
50% is bad in that case
wispy plume
Definitely not. Yeah it should be damn close to 100% and if not you should fill with last stand and then shield wal
sand egret
don't forget to include Last Stand (bolster) in there
lusty grotto
Make sure you're seeing the right thing though cause last stand is not sb
wispy plume
Also true
analog swift
^^
lusty grotto
But is most certainly blocking
sand egret
so that can throw off your numbers, esp if you're looking at straight up aura uptime
analog swift
i mena you literally have 100% block for a solid up time for what? nearly a full minute?
sand egret
100% effective uptime*
still aurora
Anima seems good in m+, no? Or is vop/lucid still go to?
ripe mason
I've gotta get more logs.
lusty grotto
Vop lucid
sand egret
VoP is fan-fucking tastic
ripe mason
Yeah I love it
exotic spoke
Anima is also good as a major, for defense, in m+
wispy plume
Guys how do we feel about professions? I was alch so I have the alch stone at 425. I was engineer but thinking about swapping to either blacksmith or jc for the armor piece or ring
still aurora
I agree. Ran vop in raid but anima in m+ as the guide suggested
sand egret
I'd still run VoP over Anima in M+, tho
still aurora
Fair
exotic spoke
I haven’t tested anima. Was messing with avatar last night.
I agree. If you don’t need defensives I’d run visions
sand egret
but that's cuz I don't like the potential loss of Anima (overheal, timings etc)
still aurora
I assume vop may be more consistent though
exotic spoke
You’re not pulling big enough Blade. No balls
still aurora
I'll try it tomoz
wispy plume
What do y’all run for professions? Do y’all like jc for ring or armor piece?
sand egret
but yeah, I personally would take VoP over Anima, but this is coming from the guy who willingly didn't run Jes because I hated how it plays
exotic spoke
No metaphorical balls
I run blacksmithing and alchemy. I refuse to drop blacksmithing
sand egret
I really gotta level a profession
wispy plume
Yeah what is the bs piece?
exotic spoke
Belt / pants
still aurora
I think the alchemy trinket is "ok", maybe took a step up with its gem slot
wispy plume
Can you wear both or is equip unique?
still aurora
But not great
oblique garnet
alchemy trinket is pretty great with new pots
wispy plume
Yeah the alch trinket isn’t terrible. It’s definitely nice having a 440+socket soon
And yeah the new pots hit me for like 230k
sand egret
ooooo
still aurora
Hp pots are mvp
wispy plume
I might do BS then since it’s two pieces
lusty grotto
🤔
BS as in bloodsport
?
I hope
You don't mean
Bloodsport
Or I'm gonna get a seizure
exotic spoke
I’m a blacksmith (BS)
still aurora
Also, unbridled is talked about a lot in brm discord. Anyone tried on protection?
exotic spoke
It’s a profession nim. clam down
exotic spoke
But if I get heroic Azerite where the best option is bloodspott - guess what I’m using nim
lusty grotto
Listen riki
still aurora
Unbridled fury
lusty grotto
You know what I meant
exotic spoke
Yeah I do.
lusty grotto
Lol
exotic spoke
JCVD
lusty grotto
Stop summoning the 80s
Anyway yeah BS is another stupid reason I gotta raid again sigh
At least it's a bit less tedious than with the other raid mats
modern brook
hi nim :^)
lusty grotto
Yo bull
hasty nova
hey is EHRPS better to have a high number or bad number
and what does that even stand for?
trying to learn to read logs a bit
a bit more*
modern brook
effective healing required per second
sand egret
estimated healing required per second, if im getting that right
hasty nova
someone is a lot better guild than mine said it was the most important stat for tanks in progression
sand egret
ah no its effective*
hasty nova
i guess i want that to be lower then?
modern brook
its pretty irrelevent tbh
the nnumber is super reliant on way too many factors
ie: if your co tank isnt swapping its higher than it should be
like its a metric, sure. but its nota live-or-die-by
sand egret
just another stat you see widely referenced incorrectly haha
modern brook
p much
lusty grotto
Ehrps is pretty inconsequential If you don't know precisely what going on in the fight
modern brook
Honestly for prog tanking
its like 90% not fucking up your defensive rotation
especially for prot warrior
lusty grotto
It's only important to people that want to do quick evaluations (that are usually very wrong)
hasty nova
wouldn't EHPS not be reflective of you not messing up ur defensive rotation?
lusty grotto
It would
modern brook
not as much as something like shieldblock uptime
again its a metric, yeah, but its not a be all end all
lusty grotto
But there are too many other factors that contribute to it
hasty nova
how do i check for sheild block uptime? the only way i know of is clicking on my name in dmg tab, hovering over melee, and seeing percent blocked
is that what u mean by sheildblock uptime?
lusty grotto
And any other blockable hit, sure but mostly melee
modern brook
^
its very hard to have a generic "this is how u know ur tanking because the number is low/high" statistic
still aurora
Isn't it gearscore?
modern brook
Like on oppulence if you ever tanked an unblocked coin sweep, you were messing up your defensive rotation
like if u have 90% uptime but missed every coin sweep, you still die
hasty nova
well my argument is that after you break a certain threshold: as in positioning, swapping, placement, gear priority. Once all other compareable tanks are on that same level. THEN you start comparing other things, like blocked hits and EHPS
modern brook
My counter agrument is that if uve already perfected gear priority, positioning, rotation and cooldown timing
you should be maximizing dps
modern brook
but you cant look at the EHRPS for a prot warrior and compare it to a dk and say "yeah its lower im doing better"
modern brook
the number is super volatile and is relaiant not only on mitigation type but also how fights play out
stacks before swaps
hasty nova
Yeah star me too honestly
modern brook
etc etc etc
hasty nova
i felt like i was doing more dmg with crusiclbe of flame tbh
wispy plume
VoP is amazing lol
wispy plume
Are you tracking it?
hasty nova
Yeah i'm also confused on the proc, I have not been able to see those. granted i have only had it for a day
rather half a day
oblique garnet
it procs quite often
crimson furnace
ewak aura links pls
hasty nova
but i was pulling like 16k 17k single target and my VoP it has not gone up
wispy plume
I made it lol
modern brook
does VoP give 35% of BoM?
wispy plume
It’s like the simplest weakaura there is
hasty nova
Volkhor my weak aura for avatar doesn't proc when vop procs
oblique garnet
if you compare your avatar uptime before and after vop
wispy plume
Mine does...
modern brook
whats the weak aura tracking
analog swift
35% duration and something like 15% reduction on CD
hasty nova
ah late might be right i might need to combat log that
wispy plume
I literally just went to template icon buffs and avatar
analog swift
^^
modern brook
yeah i mean if ur tracking avatar uptime; it should be tracked
oblique garnet
you can see it from details if you dont have logs up
wispy plume
^ also true
hasty nova
I thought VoP randomly applyed Avatar periodically and reduced cooldown
I might be wrong on this
modern brook
Im only mentioning it cause some of the all-in-one weak aura packs only track the cd
lusty grotto
It's weird how late only pops up every hour now since being yellowd
wispy plume
The base cd is reduced
hasty nova
Yeah base cd reduced got it
modern brook
also bumping the question @oblique garnet: does VoP give BoM, reduced or otherwise?
oblique garnet
Yes
lusty grotto
@oblique garnet i have a question
wispy plume
It doesn’t reduce cd on proc. That’s why you pair it with Lucid minor for rage refunds and AM. And yeah it price BoM
lusty grotto
What should I change my pfp to
modern brook
@ hell
oblique garnet
I dont know
analog swift
@wispy plume the minor reduces it tho
young oasis
how is operation mechagon difficulty level?
lusty grotto
Old school chef nim? Or back to stewart
lusty grotto
Kk
modern brook
chef 1000%
wispy plume
Yeah I said that above @analog swift
lusty grotto
I may have something in mind
analog swift
oh yeah rip
modern brook
vop minor is just a flast 15% cDR right?
wispy plume
Right
modern brook
plus some stats
wispy plume
Idk the percentage off the top of my head but yea
modern brook
i remember 15
oblique garnet
wispy plume
And the. Lucid giving 50% to refund rage
It’s fucking nuts paired with it. I had 80% uptime on second to last boss in palace
modern brook
I think theres a non-0 chance we end up Vision Lucid minors
wispy plume
Without lucid
modern brook
and then like Blood major or sometihng
hasty nova
ok see, I have not had my weak aura which is pretty flashy show me when VoP activates avatar
lusty grotto
Whatever happened to sphere minor
hasty nova
It either is not happening or my weak aura is not working for the proc
modern brook
I know marok has a write up on the essences
hasty nova
only working when I press the avatar button
lusty grotto
Yeah but I don't really agree with some of those
exotic spoke
@oblique garnet vision made the default cooldown for avatar 63 seconds last night for me. Not sure why.
lusty grotto
I did test a few before vacations
hasty nova
volk will you share your wowlog?
oblique garnet
its because it reduces the cd of avatar
wispy plume
@hasty nova go to a target dummy and spam abilities until you see it in your buffs
oblique garnet
by the 17.5%
wispy plume
And see if your weakaura is up
modern brook
But i def get the vibe that, the on proc avatar might be less worth it than we think
hasty nova
yeah i will probably do that when i get home
modern brook
and that the CDR from the lucid / perfect minors will be enough to maintain high uptimes
hasty nova
i need to test it out, just So much stuff to do ya know hard to get these things worked out
wispy plume
I would link but I’m also not home lol
lusty grotto
Dunno man omim pretty set on those two
modern brook
and we can use the major slot for some damaging cds
lusty grotto
The third one is what I'm not 100% sure on if I agree with lord merek
modern brook
all feely craft, of course
wispy plume
5 second proc. The one thing I don’t know is that if it procs during avatar will it add 5 seconds
Late may have the answer to that
exotic spoke
But that reduction is more than that late.
90 * 0.836 = 75.24 seconds
oblique garnet
if it procs during avatar it adds up to the duration
exotic spoke
I had 63 seconds in game with out AM
lusty grotto
I can't remember if haste affects avatar base CD riki
modern brook
wispy plume
And even so 5 seconds of avatar is more rage generation
lusty grotto
Obviously only AM iirc
wispy plume
Which in turn lowers the cd further
exotic spoke
I am nim.
wispy plume
I was talking to bill
wispy plume
Bull nim
lusty grotto
Ohhh
exotic spoke
63 seconds - before AM.
lusty grotto
Hey man, I always use protection lul
exotic spoke
Not sure how it got to that number
oblique garnet
Riki im not gonna question blizzards math when it benefits me 8)
lusty grotto
This info does not leave #protection
wispy plume
63 is exactly 70% of 90
primal sable
VoP minor cuts cd on avatar doesnt it?
modern brook
follow up question
For classes with multiple roles
can you use essence from other roles
lusty grotto
Gross
oblique garnet
jno
modern brook
rip
wispy plume
So we are getting a 30% reduction? @exotic spoke @oblique garnet
lusty grotto
Hush child
oblique garnet
We are getting more than the tooltip says
modern brook
@lusty grotto im an arcane mage i told you this
lusty grotto
Smh
modern brook
just wanted to know if we could use the focusing iris minor
modern brook
Im down after raid, 11pm server
lusty grotto
Jesus christ haha
modern brook
I might be available earlier
lusty grotto
How's the raid
oblique garnet
Now its time to go back to actually playing the game and enjoying the content
modern brook
i dont think hey'll take me for heroic, im undegeared atm
oblique garnet
and the raid is pretty fun
modern brook
i enjoy it
silver sail
Anyone figure out how to do tonks (5th boss) hard mode yet?
How to get the announcer in with you
lusty grotto
I'm glad you're enjoying it late, would be sad to see you abandon it for classic eww
sudden tapir
What causes Orgozoa to melee for 500k.. Do you simply pop shield wall upon picking him up D:
oblique garnet
and then drag the announcer to the hammers
silver sail
Hit them how?
modern brook
the raid's difficulty feels like a natural progression tbh
silver sail
They're friendly I thought
lusty grotto
Nice bull
modern brook
like BoD's problemw as that it wasnt a raid until jaina
silver sail
I thought it was to do with the hammers as there are 4
oblique garnet
with the charge from the car thingy
lusty grotto
I mean I liked BoD
silver sail
And you only need 3
modern brook
same
oblique garnet
forgots its name
silver sail
Ahh
modern brook
But like every boss was a joke 'cept mech and Jaina
silver sail
Gnomercy 4u
modern brook
and some coordination checks on mythic
oblique garnet
after its down you drag the announcer to the hammer
silver sail
Can you bait the charge?
oblique garnet
yes
silver sail
So everyone stacks near the announcer?
exotic spoke
Interesting - didn’t know that. May do hardmode tonight
silver sail
Just for completion sake
BTW on kujo
Right side of arena
There is a big cube
You can use that to LOS
Instead of the boxes, so it's 100% reliable
analog swift
@sudden tapir he hits fucking hard as shit
open with last stand
then x3 shield block
then you can pretty much drop mitigation
sudden tapir
I've come to realise! Caught me by surprise haha
silver sail
?
lusty grotto
Avatar gives you rage
silver sail
You can sb straight away
analog swift
if you charge and hit it before yeah
but you wont need to weave in last stand later
exotic spoke
Avatar -> charge -> SB while charging
lusty grotto
Yeah idk about this LS thing, seems like a waste
analog swift
because after 21 seconds
you just dont need it at all
mineaswell ensure you crit block
lusty grotto
Marok had a huge text wall reply to some troll in s1 about it
analog swift
the only hard hits are at the beginning
as bull was saying earlier
it's not uptime on block it's what you'er blocking
silver sail
Yes I think so
lusty grotto
Lmao
silver sail
LS with talent just gives you SB
analog swift
LOL
lusty grotto
Hey man sometimes it happens with me
silver sail
Crit block is from mastery
lusty grotto
100 chance
silver sail
3xbom was 80+% crit block
stark moon
Did I miss something recently? I had 2 other prot warriors tell me to stack vers for the new raid. I’ve been haste heavy since I rolled prot and the guides still say haste. Dropping my haste from 1200ish to 900 seems like a bad idea
lusty grotto
Oh yeah it's not NF
open pilot
did someone do the numbers on which of the new potions is the best?
analog swift
yeah that's what i got mixed up
silver sail
Lmao who says stack vers
analog swift
yeah just SB, intercept allies so you can defo get it
like
pre pull but yeah
SB +avy you good
but my co-tank did get one shot shit was so funny
lusty grotto
Retarded warriors but versa was and is always good for raids, just not better than haste
analog swift
honestly
silver sail
More haste = more avatar and ls/sb
With avatar and block you can't die
To phys dam
analog swift
most people that talk about weighing stats super heavily
silver sail
Unless it's a literal one shot thing
lusty grotto
As you should
lusty grotto
Well idk about dps or heals
silver sail
So I specced ravage for the first time in mechagon
analog swift
talked about how good crit was, sure it's probably good
silver sail
On the 4th boss
analog swift
but he would legit rock 370s over mythic pieces
like no class has stats THAT fucked up
silver sail
80% parry face tanking the tank buster combo is funny
analog swift
yeah but it's the more stats thing
stark moon
Thanks for confirming my thoughts. That’s why I jumped in here. I thought maybe I missed something
analog swift
like some stats are good, but rarely other stats are absurdly shitting
lusty grotto
Yeah well primaries are super strong now, not so much in legion though
analog swift
yeah legion was defo differnetly
people talk about fucking stat capsn n shit
pisses me off
silver sail
But you get an extra tick on deepwounds111!?
lusty grotto
Lol
silver sail
Once you hit this haste cap
lusty grotto
Yo I remember arms in legion and mages christ that fucking mastery stacking made me mad as fuck
lusty grotto
Loll
sand egret
👀 ...
silver sail
Execute.exe
lusty grotto
Yeah we're talking about legion stuff
analog swift
i remember as fury there we certain break points allowing you to get a rampage in or w/e
but rn
stfu
lusty grotto
Agreed
lusty grotto
Haha that fucking video always makes me laugh
sand egret
haha that clip is fantastic
silver sail
Always my go to excuse on prog
sand egret
nostalgia xxxxxx1000000
hasty nova
hey how do i get to the page where i can see a player and all their parse for a raid
silver sail
Search their name
hasty nova
is that on worldofwarcraft.com or on wowlogs?
silver sail
On warcraftlogs
sand egret
Me: Blasting this clip at work
Co-worker: ..... 👀
Me: "Ah, some Execute montage"
Co-worker: "oh"
hasty nova
yeah wowlogs
twilit jasper
m what do u guys think about that new trinket from the worldboss
enthrallers bindstone
sand egret
also like...I missed Argus and stuff but did BrM really pump like that?
analog swift
it was WW i think
silver sail
Yes
analog swift
the icon is wack
but WW was fucking broke
also BrM did pump with the right relics
sand egret
gotcha
lusty grotto
ye
marble cipher
Ww was a bit broken with the right legendaries
Well,maybe not broken, but you wouldn't really have much issue trying to top meters in raids.
lusty grotto
i think you can use DBM/bigwigs to auto log on certain content
i use exrt for it
there are other addons that do it though
basically it auto logs on non LFR raids, and M+ keys
by itself
of course i gotta up my logs and/or delete them cause the combat log becomes absurdly big
every now and then when i remember
exotic spoke
Looking at parses from last night heroic. 90 % bracket on black water feels good
exotic spoke
Rofl!
lusty grotto
😄
green helm
what offensive pots do we use now btw?
exotic spoke
I used superior strength pots. I think for m+ the one that gives primary stat per mob around is going to be better
49 seconds of continuous Avatar uptime seems stupid OP
hasty nova
Lol asmongold is live right now, he just said he thinks he is going to go prot
exotic spoke
Even On boss fights with a lot of movement / down time I got 60+% avatar up time
And I’m sure it could have been better
hasty nova
Watching asmon is... interesting. okay what else can i learn before i go home
hmmm.. whatever! i guess it's just dailies and world pvp for neck ap
sick sentinel
brisk ferry
he's right, shit does fucking hurt
sick sentinel
@hasty nova Asmongold might be entertaining but that doesn't mean he is good at the game ( anymore)
spice musk
World Boss Trinket as tank good?
i have CoS 420 and BoD 400 Absorb Trinket and Rezan 410
oblique garnet
Actually not doing any high keys till i get a 430 shield seriously wtf
exotic spoke
Yup late. I was lamenting that last night lol
I went from 46.5% to 41.5% mitigation in m+
sand egret
that last 5% is your attitude. clean that shit up
block mitigation is directly correlated to confidence.
exotic spoke
I’m confident shit hurts
I fucked up in siege last night. Ran out of block / last stand for a second.
In that second, despite having 160k worth of absorbs and demo shout up I took 260k damage from two mobs
warm plinth
What level key?
crystal dirge
it does hurt lad, I went from pulling entire 3rd boss room on +21 siege to +10 trashpacks fucking me in 1 day 😄 feels bad man