i heard it was closer to a 14
#protection
near fern
near fern
good news lol
exotic spoke
Nah, I don’t think so. I think 11-12 is right
junior ivy
but i could do a 10 tonight?
junior ivy
does anyone wanna do a 10 with me tongiht lol
analog swift
this week it's fine to tank at 370
exotic spoke
Yes catfriend. Playing decently you can
analog swift
as long as you aren't pure garbo
neon tangle
I think that’s the real hard part about equating ilvl to dungeons you can do
junior ivy
i cant guarantee im not pure garbo
exotic spoke
There’s only one way to find out
sick sentinel
@near fern the thing is, prot warr feels rewarding if you play it properly but you get punished by doing mistakes
we are not 8.0 prot warriors that were like "mistake=death" but it can get very close to that in very very high end content
If you play the spec properly you will never feel in danger and folks over here complain that raid bosses don't do enough damage and the raid is too sleeper for them
exotic spoke
Jump in and see
sick sentinel
except stuff like the kimbul bleed in conclave or bobswandi
analog swift
^^
did a 19ML on tyrannical, shield block fell off right as I ran into a new pack, throw wrench nailed me for like 75% of my health
cobalt meteor
What's the best zandalari loa for prot warrior?
analog swift
small dumb error nearly fucked me
near fern
awesome, thanks peeps
sick sentinel
also other thing
tropic star
remember when wrench wasnt blockable
analog swift
oh yeah
tropic star
good times
sick sentinel
it doesn't reward you for knowing your spec
it rewards you for knowing the fight
it rewards you for knowing every single mob's ability
near fern
huh
analog swift
well those two go together
sick sentinel
and the damage type of it
near fern
i think i can do that
analog swift
but yeah you have to know what to do when
sick sentinel
what is reflectable/ what you should shield wall etc
analog swift
oh rixxa fucks everyone up on ML? but you know to reflect every other dot and just dump into IP intercepting allies to free rage
shit like that
sand egret
and baiting it on to sucker dps* 😁
analog swift
true
exotic spoke
I mean, I can cheese kimbul bleeds 😃
analog swift
same 😉
exotic spoke
But I’m normally playing with paku the whole fight like a good prot warrior
analog swift
are all sims set up?
kinda astonish lucid dreams is simming so low
figured more demo shout + more avatar would be very good for deeps
strong forum
The raid/m+/VoP essences aren't in yet, everything else is
analog swift
wow I thought lucid would be much better
strong forum
It's 2ppm on average, sometimes higher sometimes lower, depends on how much buttons you press
I had 71 procs in a 35min waycrest whereas Dh had 134 procs
analog swift
and it refunds half your rage as a minor?
strong forum
Yes
And the active is to be ignored, no way you're gonna use that seriously
Cuz you're gonna mad overcap on rage
analog swift
i was just using it when I had non avatar demo shout didn't cap too often just had lots of revenges
strong forum
It's good to reduce CDs if you literally spam IP permanently
I used it during avatar for maximum value of rage gain
You can get Avatar down to 25-30sec by the time Avatar runs out
analog swift
yeah i gotchu i was thinknig of it as more rage
but it's just double
and yeah 2 ppm is pretty damn shitty
strong forum
But thats literally perma spamming IP
analog swift
i just thought it would be much better as a minor than the sims say
79 dps increase
strong forum
Eh idkc
Hard to evaluate rage gen as dps increase
Or rather rage refund
With rank 3 the minor is getting better cuz of the vers proc
analog swift
yeah w/ that proc rate that probably makes sense
strong forum
It's still a good minor
analog swift
so you're refunded 30 rage about each minute
which is like 2 seconds on avatar/demo shout
ripe mason
So my BiS Essence before Vision of Perfection is Lucid?
analog swift
well of course
strong forum
Depends @ripe mason
analog swift
but if i'm looking at averages
strong forum
For dps CoF is godlike on r2
ripe mason
r2?
strong forum
Rank 2
strong forum
Ye so that's a huge dps gain
And lucid is minor is perfectly finec
One of the best minors
If not the best
Aegis minor could also be quite nice in m+
warm plinth
You're quite nice in M+
strong forum
aww 😊
warm plinth
❤
sick sentinel
awww ghash
strong forum
im so nice in m+ that we skip 2nd boss and kill 4th boss on alt keys https://clips.twitch.tv/ResourcefulHorribleCougarDancingBanana
and clear like 150% of the dungeon cuz cba
warm plinth
No facecam in 2019
strong forum
i have sometimes
or well, most of the time
but i have shit upload so i only stream every now and again when we're doing retarded shit
wednesday should be fun though, took the day off of work to slam
warm plinth
Nice, I'm off all week 😄
strong forum
na this patch aint worth taking entire week off
oblique garnet
nom fragnance ui? smh
quiet relic
coF is God mode for single correct? Visions still got adds?
strong forum
pretty much
quiet relic
And worldvien is higher as a minor
oblique garnet
I dont like ui's that are black on anything other than healer
strong forum
na i think its 👌 its clean, fuck that colour fest that naowhs ui is
so many colours AAH
oblique garnet
I see
supple path
I am baffled by that bloodmallet list. Why on earth would something like crucible of flame go from 607 to 743 dps for rank 1 to 2, when rank 2 is basically "Does 75% more damage"
Makes me wonder if I'm just reading it wrong or something, since it looked like it separated out the minor.
modern brook
strong forum
@supple path cuz it increases the dot dmg, not the instant damage
but might also be wrong ye
supple path
The dot damage doesn't even exist on first rank major I thought - then second adds a dot equal to 75% of initial nuke
supple path
Yeah I saw how much bigger it was on crits
strong forum
so if you crit, the dot also does 75% fo that crit
75k crit -> 45k dot
very satisfying
warm plinth
The DoT/HoT exists on rank 1. It's the minor trait
supple path
Yeah that's why I mentioned bloodmallet looked like it was tracking the minor separately, number I mentioned was purely the major.
warm plinth
Oh, okay. I misunderstood
prisma crane
i feel like at this point in my warrior career, it's sad that i learn new things as often as i do
exotic spoke
What did you learn?
prisma crane
idk, was just reading random stuff in guides, and it's nothing that i think about ever
strong forum
you never stop learning
exotic spoke
^^
prisma crane
yea but i probably wont try that hard to learn it, i just have to die to something like 3 times before i figure it out
strong forum
okay?
exotic spoke
I learned that it’s great fun to use dragon charge (or whatever the 20 second cooldown + knock back is) when people are fighting rare mobs near cliffs in pvp
prisma crane
lol, that is amusing
exotic spoke
Horde went for scrap king. I spent a good minute charging back and forth every 20 seconds knocking them off the cliff - killing some
warm plinth
lol
prisma crane
the one that i do remember that amazed me was how long it took me to figure out that leap resets taunt (i've known fora while now)
i wish tanks could use purification protocol
warm plinth
I remember in Legion doing the one find the object in Stormheim on top of the huge statue. Some balance druid was camped up there and would keep typhooning me off
exotic spoke
RIP
lusty grotto
I didn't do a key this week sigh
exotic spoke
Double rip
lusty grotto
Stupid rains in DC ftl
exotic spoke
Shit, that means it’s going to be bad here in a couple hours when I’m driving home >.>
exotic spoke
Fuck. I may lose power then at home. If I do I can’t get lucid dreams rank 3 before raid tomorrow
exotic spoke
Overall nothing much nim. Back now warmode now that I don’t feel rushed and the initial rush of imbalance has subsided
55? I’m 56
void meadow
Is there a way on warcraftlogs to check if youre overcapping IP?
void meadow
well, i want to like, see if im using it over something like revenge when it isnt necessary
lusty grotto
For dps purposes I guess it makes sense
void meadow
tldr: I want to reallocate my overspending on IP to Revenge lol
lusty grotto
There's a resource management tab but I can't check on mobile atm
prisma crane
just spam revenge more than IP
void meadow
oh okay, ill look at that and see if it helps. ^_^
prisma crane
ez pz
void meadow
its easier to spam IP though D:
lusty grotto
Right not on gcd and at least 50% of revenges are gonna be free if you're actively tanking
So no AM from those
frigid forge
[Subroutine: Optimization] 420 on the pocket trinket any good for us prot?
sand egret
Wait @lusty grotto why you in mah city?!
lusty grotto
Lay over
lusty grotto
So my flight had a connecting one but since the first one was delayed
I got here just as doors closed
sand egret
😦
analog swift
nova here flooding like a mofo
lusty grotto
Lmao I'm just trying to figure out where to leave my stuff so I could go explore
exotic spoke
I was in your city a few months ago blade
sand egret
can you just check it with the airline?
lusty grotto
I'm gonna try that
warm plinth
What city? #stalkerinthemaking
lusty grotto
Boston
warm plinth
Oh dear
warm plinth
Idk why but there are two accents in the world that just hit a nerve for me. One is Boston, and the other is that really like...slurrish accent from the UK (not sure what it is exactly)
exotic spoke
Cockney?
lusty grotto
Ya like dags
sand egret
degs*
warm plinth
¯_(ツ)_/¯
lusty grotto
Lmao
exotic spoke
Brad Pitt in lock stock and two smoking barrels?
lusty grotto
Snatch
exotic spoke
Sorry yes snatch
sand egret
also like 90% of "boston" accidents are abortions of the accent done by actors who try very very hard to pull it off
exotic spoke
I realized as soon as I typed it I was wrong
exotic spoke
A great fucking movie
warm plinth
One of my team members is from Boston and their real life accent gets on my nerves, so I don't think it's just movies XD
lusty grotto
Which one though
sand egret
great movie, but boy did some of them need to sit down haha
exotic spoke
Marky Mark
warm plinth
Oh I forgot one
lusty grotto
Def loved that movie
warm plinth
New Jersey accent
lusty grotto
Oh shit Marky mark
warm plinth
Makes me want to stab myself in the ear drum
exotic spoke
My theory on feds is they’re like mushrooms - you feed them shit and keep em in the dark
lusty grotto
Lol
sand egret
funny fact: I'm an extra in one of those scenes 😃
lusty grotto
Hmm
sand egret
well im in A scene
exotic spoke
#ProtectYourData
ivory peak
didnt see an answer for @frigid forge . I was curious too "[Subroutine: Optimization] 420 on the pocket trinket any good for us prot?" any tips?
lusty grotto
I actually was an extra on a Jeff Daniels movie that probably went straight to lifetime
Never seen it to this day
But hey I shook hands with Jeff Daniels so I got that going for me
exotic spoke
No clue cripple / c4w3. I don’t think it’s that strong for us as all of our secondaries are good
frigid forge
@exotic spoke thanks ❤
ivory peak
ok. thanks for the info. been looking into it myself since i got the blue card that unlocks it last night but didn't find anything definitive
sand egret
reshuffling mechanics lend themselves more towards stacking one vs the other. we tend to try and get all the stats so in general you shouldn't be weighted super far in one way or the other (unless RNG blessed/cursed you)
frigid forge
tbh me nither rly and i was interested in a second opinion
exotic spoke
I think it also depends on the yellow card you put in - prioritizing based on the two stats on the card (I think)
Don’t quote me on that though - im going based off what one person in my guild said
wooden radish
@ionic fern 
boop hello.
wooden radish
is this a safe space to talk about pumping
exotic spoke
That’s all we do - pump dps
shut summit
Just pump
exotic spoke
Anyone know if we have new k values
sand egret
why? were they....pumped up?
sick sentinel
Probably
warm plinth
🗞
exotic spoke
I see what you did there blade
warm plinth
What did they do to the spotters? Link?
sick sentinel
Spotters can't kill demos on last boss
sand egret
warm plinth
So in other words that's the easiest boss in the world now?
sand egret
one spawn though kinda counteracts that
exotic spoke
Yeah, I’m fine with that. Fuck spotters
sand egret
that boss just became a joke imho
warm plinth
I agree
The only remote challenge was if you didn't meet the DPS check for downing demos
sand egret
basically, which i feel like was why spotters were a thing in the first place
exotic spoke
It was incredibly punishing on high keys. Stupidly so imo
exotic spoke
It makes it a lot better
sand egret
i bet this will be curbed by that fight scaling naturally on higher keys, since people will realistically be pushing towards +30s by the end
exotic spoke
A Lot better
sand egret
since attrition is also an issue on that fight with the multiple DoTs
sick sentinel
Someone has to die
exotic spoke
Also, I wonder how damage reflect works on things like spotters and spell reflect....
sick sentinel
Dps are expendable
warm plinth
You mean like for the enchanted emissary?
sand egret
eh, i bet they forgot to uncouple the UnitID from the casts. It's probably the 2nd boss so it leads to players being able to "kill the boss" via reflect and then when it gets hotfixed we'll get nailed with "fun detected" memes
warm plinth
Oh shit, I didn't even think of that XD
exotic spoke
Yes ghash
exotic spoke
But yeah - they do damage to them selves thus doing more damage?
sick sentinel
Speaking of paranoia, what's been happening about this WF drama shit
Was Sco finally kicked for his bad takes on tanks?
sand egret
i ran out of my caring budget for random wow guild drama 😃
sick sentinel
Not me, it gives me life
sand egret
ah, my elixir is the saltiness of reddit complaints
sick sentinel
Reddit is a desert
You can eat it constantly and lose value or enjoy it once in a while
sand egret
sometimes, I kick back, pour me a glass of wine, and go over my own game's reddit page for the "JUST FIX X!?! IT'S SO EASY!" posts and soak in that sweet euphoric rhetoric
neon tangle
@sand egret It's my favorite
ancient tartan
Is there a post somewhere about what benthic pieces we should be looking for as prot warriors? Not sure if it was posted before or somewhere else since I'm hearing it will be better than base mythic gear
sand egret
them are some fine, fine whines
exotic spoke
Drekonan check icy veins / pins
sand egret
in the icy veins guide
ancient tartan
Yup right in front of my face...thanks
exotic spoke
Blade - I posed that question to my m+ group. The best answer so far:
You enter into a pong minigame, reflecting it back and forth until the first to miss the ball takes the damage
sand egret
i'd be so into that
exotic spoke
Would it pause wow right then and there? Or would I have to do that ONTOP or whatever else is going on
sand egret
psh, you never raided while playing peggle?!
raiders these days....
back in my day the Peggle addon was right up there with Decursive and DBM!
exotic spoke
I played Holdem. Does that count?
sand egret
as long as you know when to fold'em
exotic spoke
And when to walk away?
sand egret
precisely
exotic spoke
Blade - the next best option:
I'm thinking it will yield a crossing the streams event and Riki will implode.
I'll willing to allow this in the name of science
ionic obsidian
Holy crap that Siege nerf.
I only got a 19 siege in time last season because of that damn boss.
south yarrow
@ancient tartan @sand egret Those pieces are not what you should be "looking out for though"
Defensively the Benthic pieces will lose to baseline mythic pieces
There's a number of Benthic pieces that outperform baseline mythic raid pieces in terms of DPS
And given that you can spend pearls on alts and can effectively force a socket on them, those pieces with a socket will not be outperformed by anything in the raid pretty much
So yeah, like the icy veins guide says if you get them at an equal or higher item level than what you have, slap them on
But that goes for pretty much any piece of gear so
¯_(ツ)_/¯
Don't have a warrior sim for you, but here's a DK sim showing the four best ST dps Benthic pieces compared to baseline 445 regular gear
sand egret
In general, we are suggesting that in the same reasoning that the guide was written, from a defensive-first perspective. No one is at the point yet where you're min/maxing dps between mythic raid gear and benthics etc, as one needs to complete the raid in order to get there. Getting there requires boss kills and when you're pushing new content generally you want to make sure you got your defensives down first before you start looking to min/max dps
exotic spoke
Rip - summed myself, though I think I’m in more defensive mode - only 16,725
south yarrow
Sure, but upgrading Benthic gear is expensive
And if you choose to upgrade the defensive pieces to 425 first you're going to have a bad time later on
So suggesting that people do so just hurts them in the long run
You're better off gambling a socket on any of the four BiS dps pieces and upgrading that
neon tangle
@south yarrow COuld be different for prot just due to the higher damage, e.g. 1% crit damage on prot is "better" than on a BDK just due to the fact that you're increasing a larger number by 1%
south yarrow
Could be a bit different sure
neon tangle
FOR EXAMPLE: someone just posted a prot sim for 22718 ST dps at 418
while the 445 BDK sim was 24662
south yarrow
Also gearing solely for defensives may seem intuitive from a tanking perspective, but if the Benthic effects are not making a difference between life and death then they're practically useless
So you're better off just getting the DPS ones
exotic spoke
The guide is consistent in its approach. Defensive first.
Very few things will be decided by tank dps difference. But a lot can be decided by a tank dying.
That’s not the route the guide is going. Follow the guide until your comfortable and then deviate. It’s better for new players to be more defensive minded imo
sand egret
Yeah- the guide isn't for people doing their DPS simming on their tank trying to max their kit. I make the assumption that if you're in here asking that question, you're in that camp.
south yarrow
So you're suggesting that they choose boots with a damage proc when you kill a Naga over ones that increase your critical strike damage?
supple path
https://www.wowhead.com/item=170336/poens-deepsea-handguards (with socket) is the one I'm debating on spending my pearl load on, personally.
Not sure how much the proc is worth as prot though
exotic spoke
I advocate for new players to get one that will help them be more survivable. Mastery is also a survival secondary.
sand egret
Considering there are fights with adds that will be dying and to a player who may not be at the point where crit damage is the defining factor in their fights, yes.
south yarrow
That or https://www.wowhead.com/item=170303/waveblade-farseers-armguards?ilvl=425 seem to be the two strongest options right now if you had to choose one @supple path
Sure mastery is a survival stat, but good luck with mastery on killing a fucking Abberation in the raid
It literally gains you nothing
Unless you want more mastery while world questing
jaunty kayak
Personally, I'm just saving up pearls to fill a gap in raw ilvl after our first heroic clear; if I don't get a 430 drop, I can slap a 425 in where a 415/420 was even if the effect isn't super noteworthy
jaunty kayak
I didn't see this in the pins, but has anyone with ptr experience put together a spreadsheet of which abilities from Eternal Palace are blockable/reflectable? It would sure be nice if the dungeon guide told us
sand egret
jaunty kayak
Ah, I'm a total doof at navigating discord, thanks
sand egret
no worries, you found your answer and that's what mattesr
exotic spoke
A - not everyone raids. B - it’s survival. The guide was written from a pure survival point of view. In that vein - and to steal from the great John Madden - some survival is better than none survival
sand egret
I'm pretty sure the quote was: "He's going to have to stay alive if he wants to tank any mobs"
exotic spoke
That too. He has so many great quotes
sand egret
a true legend
exotic spoke
Boom! Tough actin tinactin
sand egret
Boom! It's like Shield Block for feet!
exotic spoke
Lol
Is it what players who are already competent with their class should do - absolutely not
Blade - given the earlier reflect scenario - if they take the damage from the emissary (which is what 200% of the damage done?) do they then take more damage for doing that damage to themselves?
warm plinth
It's 150% now. They nerfed it on the PTR 🙃
exotic spoke
Still then.
It would keep growing....
In a best case scenario which I don’t think is likely
sand egret
it wouldn't loop
exotic spoke
You’re ruining my fun 😦
sand egret
I ran tests years and years ago trying to ping-pong pyroblasts via Fire Reflector Trinkets in Vanilla
exotic spoke
I mean yeah - slightly different here though
sand egret
also you have reflect mechanics like Ozruk combined with stuff like Aura of Retribution
exotic spoke
I think that’s closer to being the same scenario
Look - a Riki can dream
sand egret
I'd expect reflected damage is treated a certain way to prevent these loops, tbh
exotic spoke
Small indie company. - question mark?
sand egret
hey--just cuz the system's functions exist....doesn't mean that this case was set up correctly to feed into said systems....
so keep on dreaming!
exotic spoke
I will! Until proven wrong. I proposed it and ended it with “worst case scenario you guys get to sit back and watch me die horribly. So what you want to do anyway.”
sand egret
while your at it, can you mind control a mob and have it hit a mob with that reflect debuff.
exotic spoke
Yes actually - we have a spriest
sand egret
perfect
curious if you can apply a mob's DoT> break the MC > and it'll keep wrecking them
Great, I'll take those and your TPS reports on my desk by tomorrow morning.
pine slate
What minors are y'all gonna run in keys
pine slate
I really really don't want to farm for sphere of suppression
warm plinth
Huh?
pine slate
the essence from the pvp quests
warm plinth
Sorry, that was in response to @exotic spoke
exotic spoke
It’s not magic any more. It’s apparently a physical debuff. Not sure if it’s dwarfable
warm plinth
It's been physical since like 8.1 dude
warm plinth
Yeah.
sand egret
uh yeah and its dwarfable
warm plinth
That's why DKs can't AMS it anymore
sand egret
You slackin bruh
exotic spoke
I just hit my buttons
warm plinth
XD
exotic spoke
Healer says “dwarf” on reaping I press dwarf
sand egret
arent you a dorf....have you not been droppin that shit?!
sand egret
turn in your beard.
exotic spoke
I WAS A SPACE GOAT UNTIL RECENTLY
warm plinth
That was your first mistake
oblique garnet
@pine slate It takes like 5-6 hours to farm rank 2 and youre likely going to be using it as minor anyway not as major
warm plinth
But why not LFD at least?
exotic spoke
Cause healing parses
warm plinth
For dat phat AoE
pine slate
i'm trying to decide between warrior and paladin blah
exotic spoke
Obviously it’s warrior
sand egret
his profile pic shows his true colors...
exotic spoke
I’m a panda?
sand egret
naw, thats just you floor tankin cuz you didnt dispel necrotic like a scrub
exotic spoke
Um. It’s cause this rock is fucking amazing but you wouldn’t know
sand egret
oh, cold and uncaring...sounds just like me tbh
cobalt meteor
What's the best loa embrace for prot zandalari trolls?
neon tangle
It depends on how much I know the Loa, big long embraces with a Loa I barely know could be awkward
hollow zinc
What are the best essences for Prot???
sand egret
rapid wren
are the new trinkets really that good? they're only selling for 8k on my server so im a bit confused
elfin plume
what stats actually increase the ignore pain shield
stamina, strength, and mastery?
or versatility affects it too?
warm plinth
Vers is part of the calculation. Stamina has no effect on it. It's attack power (strength/mastery) and vers.
elfin plume
really?
your max health doesnt dictate the strength of the shield?
that seems kinda counter-intuitive dont you think
but still ty for the response
warm plinth
[(0 + Attack power * 3.5) * (1 + Versatility)] is the full formula
warm plinth
Strength goes into AP as well. 1 AP per str
elfin plume
and the raw versatility number is what is used in that equation
or the % healing increase is in that
warm plinth
Raw vers. So 5% vers = .05 in the formula. At least, I'm pretty sure on that.
Hmm now that I'm getting into the math, I can't figure out why mine doesn't match lol. I get a 31,235 IP with 7,317 AP (including AP from mast) and 6.93% vers.
Formula should be [(0 + 7317 * 3.5) * (1 + .0693)] which comes out to 27,384. Even if you assume it double dips from vers, that's only 29,282 🤔 Not sure where the other 2k is coming from.
The stat analysis sheet says haste impacts it but I get the same IP with/without ItF stacks. so idk 🙃
supple path
Think the stat analysis sheet only says that because of rage generation? My first thought is "battle shout lulz" but let's see what mine looks like.
warm plinth
Yeah I don't have battle shout up right now because I didn't want buffs complicating it. I clicked off Earthlink and my trink (vers) proc as well
supple path
Yeah formula is definitely not purely right. Mine's underestimating it by a similar amount.
warm plinth
Yeah idk. The stat analysis sheet doesn't give the correct amount either
Wowhead's formula gives me a smaller amount than actual and the stat analysis sheet gives me a larger amount than actual
supple path
Makes me suspect there's a base value or something the wowhead formula is missing but mrehhhhh.
trim mortar
off hand how good is the new inscription trinket?
undone sun
@warm plinth last mentioned haste is just amount of casts ¯_(ツ)_/¯
I can't really explain it because I don't think it makes sense
warm plinth
🤔
undone sun
But it can be looked up through search
warm plinth
So like...average amount of IP?
undone sun
Yeah
fierce juniper
IP formula is the same as ability damage formula, i.e. (strength + weapondDPS * 6) * apCoef * masteryMultiplier * vers * other
honest frigate
uunat dead on the last night pog
fierce juniper
AP * 3.5 * Vers is the old formula
undone sun
Spec channels disable it here
honest frigate
warm plinth
Well, definitely didn't have only 1 tentacle per platform in that 16 siege 🤔
orchid token
i thought i heard it was 1 spawn
so you get the initial one + 1 spawn
and thats it
was it more than that?
warm plinth
Yeah we got all of them
junior ivy
whhy can i install classic
why
it doesnt mean i have iyt right?
@warm plinth
or @oblique garnet
supple path
I did a siege earlier this week and it was just the initial crusher per platform, no fresh spawns.
And that was a looooow dps group so would've seen it I'd think.
warm plinth
Yeah idk. We had 4-5 on every platform
junior ivy
@undone sun remember when i stlaked that poor gnome warrior?
undone sun
Lol yeah
astral crystal
world of deadguildcraft, man
junior ivy
he wants me to be new tank in his 6/9 mythic guild
lol
see what chasing after gnomes gets ,me?
i probably dont have time for it though
still aurora
orchid token
but the short answer @mellow belfry is no, they don't matter. equip ilvl.
mellow belfry
thank you! @orchid token
@still aurora ill definitely give them a look at
graceful sundial
which ilvl drops from weekly chest tomorrow for NA?
warm plinth
410
real thunder
Hey guys/gals, so im reading the spreadsheet that lists what boss mechanics aren't blockable in The Eternal Palace...and there seems to be ALOT that aren't blockable. So i guess all we have is demo shout and IP? kinda sucks for warrs 😦
warm plinth
It'll depend on what % of the incoming damage is auto attacks. Typically if there aren't a lot of blockable mechanics, it's because the damage is either primarily auto attacks (which are almost always blockable) or the primary damage source is magic, which means everyone will have some issue.
real thunder
Yeah, was looking at TideFist( big hitter ) which is the taunt mechanic for Radiance Of Azshara and it's listed as physical. 😦
warm plinth
We still do well against physical hits even if they're not blockable. We have high armor
primal crypt
Are prot warriors viable in 8.2?
onyx vessel
Ye
chilly brook
No
onyx vessel
All tanks are - super high end raiding
onyx vessel
Good one
primal crypt
I dont know man
chilly brook
I mean yamo is prolly trollin anyways he’s been in here for longer than I have
chilly brook
👌🏻
Just checking in every now and again while workin down in SoCal
Won’t be able to play until August 🤷♂️
primal crypt
careful of the earthquakes
fervent timber
Anyone know how good the Unagi Skewer food is for tanks? M+ Skittish week or something?
warm plinth
Probably no real reason not to use it. Pretty sure it stacks with other food buffs as it's not a Well Fed buff.
I'm not sure if it works in dungeons or not though.
mental scarab
And only way to get free HS now is from bg and isle cant use proving grounds😭
shadow tapir
is 45% haste with Into the Fray overkill?
undone sun
No
strong forum
Even 150% isn't overkill
outer dew
Only viable tank is the dudu
mental scarab
Anima of Life and Death do we know how many weeks it gonna take to get rank 3?
strong forum
If you do 15s every week, 2
willow scarab
hopefully get it tomorrow if you're lucky
strong forum
You get 8 thingies from a +15 chest, supposedly you don't get it if you don't have the r1/r2 essence already so people said to open the weekly chest after getting those
But I'll just have an alt open it insta and see for myself
marble cipher
So, best to do a 15 this week it seems?
marble cipher
true, but I pug my keys, don't think there's a shot at pugging a 19 😉
sick sentinel
how complicated would it be to find the benefit from aegis of the deep on-use in logs
really wish it just showed as absorb
willow fractal
anyone have a link to blockable spells list in EP
willow scarab
sick sentinel
Isnt the essence
mediocre
tough vault
I mean I did a +15 anyways last week, it's no issue to try it
and the only thing I need an upgrade on is my MH, for which an item drops first boss
small storm
As far as I know its pretty good. The on-use could hit really hard with big pulls and using it with commanding shout
brittle owl
r3 is a p big heal, but the damage component is only really good with something like a druid/dk/dh
the major is essentially an idol
strong forum
An idol that does aoe dmg
orchid token
idol is an amazing trinket so "essentially an idol" is quite high praise
celest briar
I imagine it's worth getting all of them. I foresee a lot of tweaks in the first couple of weeks as some stuff turns out to be OP while others are useless. So wouldn't be surprised on some buffs after a couple weeks.
tough vault
More variety in choice is nice anyhow so ¯_(ツ)_/¯
mental scarab
@strong forum thanks for the info!
brittle owl
that's what i was tryina get at @orchid token
celest briar
100% agree choice is good
silver tangle
what essence are you guys going to play on eternal palace ?
nullification dynamo is look like best to me
with aegis of the deep's minor
brittle owl
also why null dynamo major 🤔
sick sentinel
@silver tangle read the icy veins guide and re-read what the essences do before having an opinion like that
If after you do that still think those are the ones that look the best for you I would gladly discuss it and explain to you
strong forum
I'm gonna run cof + lucid for normal and heroic
Gotta pump dem deeps
On mythic I'll prolly run VoP + lucid
orchid token
in terms of addu ptime you're still going to get more out of the sphere minor if you wanted a stat bonus
strong forum
Like 180 vers is nothing
Worldvein minor is 100x better than that
Especially if you have some slaves that also run it
silver tangle
so on dungeons if i want to go full haste blood of the enemy+sphere's minor would work maybe ?
silver tangle
ahh shit i'm fury right now sorry
sick sentinel
We're not here to hold your hand
orchid token
some of the essence stuff is unclear but most of the things you should be doing are laid out in the guides that are done up, if you wanna go beyond the guides then thats a good thing to explore but start with them
sick sentinel
Asking questions about stuff is fine, as long as it's not something that is answered by reading the guide/information available
austere oar
willow scarab
@strong forum you’ll get more out of cof major world minor if you can get 1-2 others to use the minor as well
Rank 3 by mythic will is a huge boost as well
willow scarab
The essence could be called slimy poo cannon and I’d still use it
autumn pendant
strong forum
Ye I guess
But im no way in hell gonna get r3 anytime soon
I'm like 30-40% to 56
Surprised I actually made like 20k ap yesterday by just slamming a bit
willow scarab
Hell ywah dude I’m proud
I was 57 last Sunday night and now I’m only 58.1
I dropped the call
austere oar
So many prepulls bc of that essence
floral sphinx
What’s the best essence so far for raids and M+?
exotic spoke
rapid jewel
us raid open?
kindred rapids
Any tips for keybind as prot?
austere oar
Keybinds are highly personal, we can only recommend to bind your highest priority spells near your movement keys such as Shield slam on 1,2,3,4
willow scarab
Do we have any information on how hard the auto attack of bosses in palace will do
Jaina and Uu'nat were hitting in the 100-120k realm, palace should be 150k~ right?
Thinking about the value of the tank trinket off Ashvane
I didn't play ghuun so i'm not sure what the jump was 8.0-8.1
orchid token
mythrax meleed my DK for ~70k
willow scarab
so 150-170k realm sounds about right?
10% of damage taken grants healing blood from trinket, trinket expends healing blood to heal up to 10k every 3 seconds
within 3 seconds get autod for 150k
15k stored
3 seconds releases 10k
diamond prism was "busted op such a good trinket" with a 9 second 12k absorb
this is... 2x? 3x? diamond
I was only going to coin twice this week to have more for the next 2 weeks of mythic but i kinda wanna coin 3x to get this if anyone can confirm my thought
orchid token
i dont think its worth coining more than 2x this week no matter what
by the time you get to relevant bosses you'll be 2 or 3 lockouts deep in mythic
willow scarab
Thinking it would be good to use for the first 3-5 bosses in mythic
I did think I could just coin the mythic version
strong forum
I'm gonna coin like 3-4 times this week cuz no way in hell are we getting further than 3 bosses next week
willow scarab
Only need to kill 2 bosses next week for it to be valuable
because the leftover coins will coin 445 potentially as you prog 3rd boss 4th boss etc
430 in a weeks time is trash from m+
strong forum
Mostly going for shield trinkets n azerite
willow scarab
eng helm titan resid shoulder/chest 445 for both next week 🤔
strong forum
Eng Helm I doubt 445
And I won't have enough TR for 445 azerite
I'm at like 9k with 3k in bags tomorrow
willow scarab
??
220 to upgrade focus high enough to craft
88 this week, 88 more next week + mythic bosses
176 meaning only need 44 from mythic
strong forum
Imagine doing heroic more than once
willow scarab
the bosses that drop shields also drop items i have 425 sockets in peppehands
strong forum
Imagine killing 3 bosses first week :^)
willow scarab
i'm gonna coin vieled crystals not shields peppehands
they also both drop helms
great for us engineers
warped patrol
Quick question, you still use the same clapper build, or did something change after the nerfs for Unstoppable force?
strong forum
Not even close to changing anything @warped patrol
willow scarab
ST build for raid
warped patrol
ty
orchid token
shield tanks get good stuff from first few bosses
willow scarab
if you snipe the drop that is
orchid token
1h from first boss, shield from 3rd
willow scarab
the rest of the drops are waste
orchid token
everything from first boss is great
willow scarab
first and second boss azerite is good enough
orchid token
well, the azerite isnt ideal
for ilvl its okay
but all the other items are haste+x
willow scarab
yeah big first half of raid for us
I just know i'm not gonna get a shield this week
orchid token
shame the good shield and 1hs dont show up until later
willow scarab
at least 430 DE for good TR
orchid token
a 445 shield week one would actually be so enormous
willow scarab
post me if you get one this week
exotic spoke
Shields drop?
strong forum
I got a 415+s couple months later but that was about it ye
Shields are incredibly rare
hasty nova
yeah I still have a 415 sheild
willow scarab
all i ever saw was 1 415
hasty nova
it actually makes me sick
willow scarab
people with 425 wep and shield make me sick
exotic spoke
Tell me about it. I saw everyone else in raid get a shield, that they couldn’t trade, and then never get one again
hasty nova
I mean I killed mythic boss 1 in BoD maybe 25 times.
exotic spoke
Took me way to long to get a 415 shield. Then two weeks later I got an indestructible shield. And that’s it
hasty nova
415 shield is all.
willow scarab
raid wasn't out 25 weeks 🤔
hasty nova
haha fair enough it feels like 25 times
i wonder what my actual kill count is can i check that?
willow scarab
I think my warcraftlogs is like 15 maybe
hasty nova
oh you know. it probably feels more from doing heroic clears, and then mythic clears
each week
willow scarab
achievments -> statistics -> raids -> bfa 😃
exotic spoke
I have 20 champions of light mythic kills
And I didn’t do it for like 4-5 weeks so I think 25 kills is possible
hasty nova
Fumeiyo you have 12 mythic kills 16heroic kills 9 normal kills
XD
strait spying on ya ass
willow scarab
yeah
I did jaina only lockout for prog
and then uunat only, no bod
we were all 420 and wan't HoF so BoD was off the table
hasty nova
damn, that 9 Mjania kills tho...
but you also have 6 stormwall Mythic kills and that drops a sheild too
not as good, granted but still
a mythic week 1 titan forge sheild
MY GOD that would feel SO GOOD
hasty nova
tingles inside
willow scarab
455 indestructible
steep lily
I scrapped way too many 415 shields this tier
hasty nova
yeah thats the mem >.>
willow scarab
i have the gold to pay for repair
strong forum
Reaping is gone so leech lost giga value
willow scarab
455 socket leech i'm keen
hasty nova
yeah i also just made the hammer
strong forum
Or rather the only value it mightve had
hasty nova
so i can get a free repair :XD
tough vault
will emisaries reset for new tier?
hasty nova
i almost just gave up blacksmithing that hammer was annoying to make
willow scarab
no
hasty nova
yeah yeah i already know the crafted pants are worth it
exotic spoke
I agree Nom. Socket and indestructible. Indestructible has saved me so much money
willow scarab
that i can't confirm
i thought you meant woudl you lose your paragon rep
for some reason
sick sentinel
Hi, any adwices, guides how to handle the new affix?
willow scarab
go read what they do
only 1 way to handle 2 of them
the last one your rdruid kites away
sick sentinel
Is there discord for m+?
sick sentinel
I read that one is kickable with spell, so one will be kicked by healer away, Most likely, second is avoiding mobs to be cced, but can be kicked and stun ed and third is Pain in ass
exotic spoke
Do I count fumeiyo? Missed it by like 10 points 😦
sick sentinel
So the Pain in ass i am wondering about
willow scarab
of course
2500 3k same thing
3k+ is the ones who care about keys
in my opinion
junior ivy
fumeiyo do you have a 3k m+ score
willow scarab
nah
i stopped at 2800 a long time ago
#1 in my region was 2900 when i stopped, they ended at 3800
exotic spoke
You have to start doing stupid shit to get higher
willow scarab
Realized I was wasting lots of time every week on a third party website score that means nothing
When I could have been doing PvP or ahcievments or anything to bennefit my account
willow scarab
yeah i am
junior ivy
i love achievements
willow scarab
yeah please do, i've only got 25.5 atm i want 30k
I need to make gold to xfer gnome still
junior ivy
have you done the BFA glory dungeon achvs
willow scarab
i'm so set on it, i made a 110 class trial to play a gnome warrior for a bit
junior ivy
ARE YOU ON SARGERAS? ID PAY TO MAKE YOU GNOME
willow scarab
yeah they're all done
i'm on frostmourne-oceanic
I've only got mechagon/palace raid and dungeon achievments left for the xpac
willow scarab
I am
I keep getting send pics from here by my gf and thought you'd wanna see it too
willow scarab
if you come across it again shoot it my way
junior ivy
i will it was greatr
i had it open in a chrome tab
but now my tabs are all no mans sky stuff
hasty nova
is the alliance mythic one
there is a link to horde mythic plus in there too if you need
strong forum
There's no difference skillwise between 2k and 3k players, change my mind
M+ is all about repetition, just like raiding
hasty nova
Well repetition is the same thing as practice, and i believe that those who practice more are better
I will tell ya one thing for sure. I am way better at 2.3k than I was a 2k
maybe not everyone is the same, but I certainly get WAY better between raider.io scores
In the context of running keys that is
ionic fern
"no difference between 2k and 3k" players? 😂
analog swift
tryna grab 2.3K pugging I hate to start pulling a bit different, intercepting boss mechanics more often etc.
ionic fern
I do agree that m+ is about repetition until you get things down.
But there's still a difference.
hasty nova
yeah I was about to say something
I ran a SoB last night
looks like what i linked was a wowhead summary of changes not documented
analog swift
yeah yeah
hasty nova
the offical patch notes did not mention those things, and they were changed last night
strong forum
Obv there's a difference because 3k players have done the dungeon 50 times whereas the 2k player has done it once or twice
hasty nova
I was in SoB like LOOK AT THIS GUYS! and BAM three demos popped up
analog swift
that makes you better at the dungeon
hasty nova
was a gross wipe
Well, @ionic fern @strong forum getting "better" at something is basically doing that something over and over again until you are better than before
3k players have done somethign so much that they are better than they were at 2k
so 3k are better than 2k
change my mind, sips coffee
strong forum
Not in anything but m+
hasty nova
XD
For sure, in the context of mythic plus
now, I would add being better at mythic plus will make you better at your character
strong forum
Depends on what's your main
hasty nova
Well, i play warrior exclusively. Only messing around on alts I don't grind my alt's neck levels or anything. I will admit that I am a much better player ALL AROUND than I was at 1.2k raider.io
in raid, pvp, and keys
Better at dodgeing mechanics, better at mindlessly doing dmg rotation while active mitigation, better at tracking healer cooldowns, better at tracking team mate kicks
i think it spills over into raiding a lot actually
strong forum
Idk I've seen alot of people with score that just plain suck
Like terrible
With 2.7k score
Which isn't high
Imo
ionic fern
If you know your class already then all it takes for you to push m+ is a group of people and from there on you are just going to have to learn the routes/pulls etc.
High m+ just punishes you way harder than a low one hence you learn to pay more attention to things and your surroundings etc.
hasty nova
I think a 2.7k score is high
junior ivy
i had 3k score in legion :(((((((((((((((
hasty nova
definitely higher than the standard deviation
ionic fern
The score can be high but the player can still be shit. 🤷
strong forum
Yup
hasty nova
shit in the context of what?
ionic fern
In the context of 2.7k
strong forum
Especially those that only play meta comp
hasty nova
I mean you could say that derek rose is shit compared to lebron james
but they are both still great basketball players
you can say a 2.7k player is shit, and got carried
but i would wager that player is bettter than the vast majority of wow players.
strong forum
If you kill 2/9m you're already better than 90%
ionic fern
^
hasty nova
That is exsactly my point
strong forum
Doing higher than a 10 is alrwddy better than 90%
ionic fern
But in regards to people actually "Pushing score"..2.7k isn't high.
strong forum
Exactly
If you're actually seriously pushing for score
For weeks and weeks ( and are lower than say 3k)
I have bad news for you buddy
hasty nova
I don't believe i'm just a shit player
strong forum
That's how I do it, I compare myself to the best of the best
hasty nova
i mean like you say i'm in the top 10% of wow players
strong forum
So I wouldn't be happy with 3k score if there's people with 4.5k
chrome falcon
hey folks, is there any benthic gear we want to grind out?
junior ivy
@willow scarab
strong forum
Nop
chrome falcon
it's all bad for us?
junior ivy
@willow scarab pleeease
chrome falcon
obviously, but for the first week of H C
not like i have anything else to spend these pearls on
cursive osprey
bracers, boots, and maybe belt
willow scarab
i'm here @junior ivy
junior ivy
willow scarab
I love it
willow scarab
It looks like a little sushi roll
i'll save it and show her, she's asleep it's midnight here
junior ivy
kk good
hasty nova
lmao
i'm mostly excited for all the secrets to be revealed today. I know ppl say keys will go down 3 ranks. but it was not officially released yet.
junior ivy
wait what secrets
hasty nova
Well what affixes will be today
rather this week
just continuing on or will it revert to week 1
Like, will it be Fort / sanguine / Necrotic / Beguiling
or will it be Fort / Teeming / Quaking / Beg
or something different?
junior ivy
oooh okay
hasty nova
I did a 21 key last week. what level key will I have today?
junior ivy
i havent done a m+ yet
hasty nova
If I do a mythic plus over level 10 this week, can it titan forge to 455?
maybe blizzard have already released these answers, I just have not been able to find them
native mantle
no
this week the cap is 425 / 430 from m+ i think
oops, my bad thats only for the chest - you cna get 455 from the dungeon, yes
hasty nova
Not that I do not appreciate that information, because I do. At least something -somewhat- creditable has said these things.
But where did wowhead get that information? did blizzard release that or is that just conjecture and speculation?
hasty nova
It's fine, It is a good read for now while i'm at work and waiting for servers to come up
exotic spoke
Blue posts said loot was capped at 415 Ilvl pre TF
exotic spoke
So based on ptr you’re capped st doing +6 for a 415 loot from end of dungeon
But based on what happened from season 1 to season 2 it would imply 420 loot
So they aren’t sure.
short vapor
On m+ what Dps are you guys getting overall?
exotic spoke
But farm 6s, and hope for good Titian forges / warforges if you want gear
Nyte, that’s hard to compare because key level matters.
If I go in to a ten I’ll do drastically more dps than I would at keys I normally do
hasty nova
So at the end of the dungon on a 6 or higher this week I can get a 455 from TF ?
exotic spoke
That and I haven’t done many keys in this two week off season
short vapor
@exotic spoke let’s say like a 17 or 18
exotic spoke
Haven’t done many since essences, no real reason to until today 😃
Sorry - can’t answer it because I haven’t done them. But that’ll help people who have done them in the last two weeks answer
I did like 3 high m+ these weeks. A 20 week one and then 19, and 21 week two
short vapor
Just curious if I was doing it wrong or right... I still peaked like 130k it that’s reaping :/
exotic spoke
Gus, that is my understanding
That number isn’t relevant any more though nyte. Because reaping is gone - RIP you will be missed.
But likely yes.
fallow knot
For what it's worth Gus ion via Twitter mentioned that it's going to be nearly identical to the way s2 rolled out.
sick sentinel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6ZToy6q5Ys i found this guide to be sooo handy when i came back to BFA
short vapor
So I was debating if monk was going to be a thing due to paralysis being a hard cc and offering things like top
Rop
hasty nova
Ahhh @fallow knot that is exactly what I was looking for thank you. In that case I can assume the same things like 3 key level drop
short vapor
Yeah I’m excited for this season for sure
fallow knot
I dunno if I can link it but his Twitter account is "watcherdev" he said "We have a post in the works. In general, things should play out almost exactly like they did in Season 2, except 30 item levels higher."
hasty nova
Nah thats fine, thanks for the info tho
fallow knot
Np
exotic spoke
I just listened to some of that and I disagree with that guide dr claw
oblique garnet
Doubt monk can push warrior away from nr 1 spot especially since they got cucked with the hot trub nerf
terse tide
Are any of the dps trinkets good from mechagon? Debating what role to have loot set on today
exotic spoke
Gus, keys will drop 4 levels today
One normal and an additional three levels for the season change
dense imp
Max ilvl shouldn't be available yet, so if you do a 10 key this week, next week's chest won't be maxed. Capped at like a 7 key value.
exotic spoke
You should Gus
hasty nova
@dense imp we are talking about the end of dungeon item and if they can titanforge
hasty nova
oh they might be talking about weekly chest mb
dense imp
Ah I was confused I'm sorry. End of dungeon is still lowered I thought, but eh I'll find out later today!
exotic spoke
This week the cap, pre TF, is either 415 or 420. PTR has 415. If we follow what happened from s1 -> S2 it would be 420.
So do 6 / 7 s and spam them if you want to farm gear.
oblique garnet
If we follow what happened from s1->s2 it would be 415 not 420
415 i.e mythic lvl gear
hasty nova
i'ma spam for them trinkets. A jes howler 415 would be nice.....
exotic spoke
My bad, was going from what I’ve read. But yeah 415s then
hasty nova
or rezens eye 415
exotic spoke
You’re really hoping for TFs is all
crystal dirge
well you US bois can tell us what you get 😄
exotic spoke
What was the ETA on servers today? It’d be a shame if I got sick mid day since I’ve already been to the meetings I had to go to - and had to go home to find the cure in mechagon
undone sun
Imaging calling off work for wow 🤣
hasty nova
oh Riki, my man, I THINK WE HAVE THE SAME sickness!