Droplets in Shrine are bursting?
#protection
warm plinth
warm plinth
Yeah I mean, they took that out for good reason
willow scarab
They use to burst and then they were fixed to not burst because it is obnoxious and now they burst again
haughty forum
Is that a bug or did they tweak it to make everything more fun & engaging?
oblique garnet
They burst and also spawn with reaping now ( that also went away after a while)
haughty forum
You've just had 70% more fun comrade.
warm plinth
Congrats
shut summit
jagged bay
gz
balmy narwhal
sick sentinel
anyone tried the electric thorns bracers from benthic?
rich elm
They hotfix spell reflecting cyclone strike? Got laid out trying to do it after 8.2 dropped
shut summit
nah, still worked for me
warm plinth
@balmy narwhal No one knows for sure. I would do a 14 to be safe (that would get you a +10 key if they do what they did for Season 2)
sick sentinel
@rich elm doesnt work if youre the initial target
ripe mason
Why was Protection so good for Jaina again? Wasn't there something about her frost abilities counting as physical damage or something?
last mason
would you guys drop 5 ilvls on a belt for the crucible belt
willow scarab
no
last mason
does rezan hurt more than i remember or am i making thigns up
sick sentinel
Rezans always hurt
potent anvil
Rezan on tyran, monkaS
Just need to pop something for the debuff/bleed or prepare to have the healer pump you.
last mason
also this is a dumb question
but on shrin 2nd boss
do you basically just kite them in circles
and just stand out of the way of cleave
potent anvil
You could, if it means no one will get hit by tornadoes. But she gets a buff indicating that she'll spawn them every time she gets interrupted. So you could minimize your movement if you want to.
potent anvil
You tank them both.
brazen drift
stack or not stack def crash? atm i stack 2
warm plinth
Stacking is fine. Not stacking is also fine.
solar delta
Is there a new tanking wep enchant?
warm plinth
A couple of them. Force Multiplier (which is damage but also kinda defense) and Naga Hide.
solar delta
Which is the best to use?
warm plinth
I've heard very good things about Force Multiplier thus far.
brazen drift
nice
last mason
I can’t tank fucking shrine
That dungeon is the epitome of why tanking is dogshit in bfa
Specifically the second boss
green mural
manic spruce
@fierce juniper
brazen drift
HEya
willow scarab
Tanking is good in BFA, move 2nd boss out of ground effects and you're fine
the essences are mostly average so use whatever you like at this point
force multiplier is the best, naga hide is good if you're dying a lot
nova rover
Hey guys sorry to nag but which punchcard? the overclock red or omnipurpose yello?
sick sentinel
@fierce juniper
sage latch
@fierce juniper
grim forge
@fierce juniper
lunar pelican
which race is the best for M+ ?
cold pollen
ne ?
dark lark
Being night elf doesn't matter unless your whole team is night elf
Play what you like, although blood elf arcane torrent is Handy, and dwarf let's you negate bleeds in kings rest
jagged narwhal
So with Essences being live, and the Warrior Thunderclap nerfs being in, what tank should I focus on gearing? Paladin or Warrior?
Since I already have both at 120 and decent ilvl
marble cipher
Warr is still really good, paladin is good as well, play what you want I'd say 😄
undone sun
also might be a bit biased asking the warriors ¯_(ツ)_/¯
twilit jasper
unless u r playing MDI both should be fine
paper dagger
I started gearing my warrior a week ago and I've been super happy with Prot @jagged narwhal
Only at 396 and it's easily handling 12's, just a complete different experience from what I've been used to playing Blood for years gameplay wise as well.
Been a bit hard keeping agro on pull with the 370 weapon from nazjatar, at least when playing with more geared people. So that's my priority upgrade atm
orchid token
both prots are going to be extremely good in all of 8.2 so it will be whichever you prefer.
jagged narwhal
Okay, i was just wondering if the new affix + Essences meant Paladin was suddenly miles ahead
I heavily favour the way the Warrior plays. But I don't mind the Paladin, just has a lot less practice with it
austere oar
Unless you're pushing for World First content both will be fine
jagged narwhal
I assumed both would still be fine, Since survivability was not impacted at all for either, and Prot is a beast in that regard.
But like I said, if there was something about how one essences meshed with Paladin abilities or wahtever that suddenly made them sick
I'm pressuming "Lucid Dream" is a MUST for minor slots?
sand relic
what essence should i aim for for m+. i play multiple toons so i dont wanna waste time farming essences i dont need
im trying to get best so i have it so i can do the same on my other toons. cause this new system made alts super hard to farm the essences they need. especially if its rep based
willow fractal
is there a blockable spells and abilitys and or spell reflect list for EP?
sand relic
i think theres a weak aura for spell reflect u can get
primal sable
blockable/reflectable speadsheet in #268491842637660160
under prot
couple WAs too, shield block, IP and reflect
minor sundial
ayy guys
dummie question but
what is the main stat prio for prot?
bcoz i checked bloodmallet and icy
and theese different
sick sentinel
Bloodmallet is going to provide purely offensive stat weights.
minor sundial
aand that isnt such a good shit then
quiet relic
anyone simmed pots yet? we still sticking with strengh or going for a different one?
quiet relic
Awesome thanks for the link, and from reading comments here seems like force multiplier is our go to now? vs quick nav. what are our thoughts
willow scarab
I think you should use strength pot
With a fear and a throw on grong I beat that log by almost 2k
sick sentinel
maybe youre just a great player despite a minor inefficiency ( :
willow scarab
We currently don't have concrete info but i'm putting forth that str pot performed better in the same example that he linked unbridled for
shut summit
It isn't the same example when using diff gear though
Legs / trink / azerite differences etc
orchid token
your face isnt the same example
willow scarab
I think what it will ultimately come down to when potting for damage is the amount of strength scaling gear you have
orchid token
rofl gottem
willow scarab
uunat legs / everchill / etc type makes strength better
orchid token
pouring one out for underrot spell reflect btw
sick sentinel
now that prot war isnt a pseudo dps 40% of the time the dps pot that thinks you're a dps is probably going to do more dps
orchid token
3 days for vision
although
is vision even going to outperform crucible major?
hacker
shut summit
For st dps, nope
quiet relic
Yeah seems we will have to swap visions/ crucible for add/ST
strong forum
its not a bug
thats just you using an off gcd ability during a locked movement ability
im getting there :hypers:
unborn island
What's the rationale behind not using Vision as major for M+? Would have thought the avatar uptime would make it better? Sorry if this has been discussed before, I got no idea
strong forum
nobody knows
well
its written for defensive value
and VoP doesnt provide defensive value in m+ whereas anima is insane defensive value
unborn island
Hmmmmmm
I thought it was the wrong way around regarding raid and m+ recommendation
strong forum
you cant get anima to proc in raiding
cuz you need to kill a mob
for it to proc stacks
unborn island
What defensive benefit does it bring in raids (VoP)
strong forum
well BoM id say
and the random IP
and it outperforms others defensively i suppose
shut summit
it also heals you for 5% when avatar procs
kind of random but ye
and gives you vers? or smth like that
unborn island
Yeah, guess a bit confused as to why the BoM uptime would it not a benefit defensively in M+
shut summit
strong forum
cuz anima outshines in that regard
cuz you can basically heal to full every time you use it
unborn island
Well that was shitty writing, but I assume you get my point
shut summit
also you dont need to get a kill to stack anima
it stacks passively, just getting a kill gives another
orchid token
i think a lot of people havent kept up with the changes to vision
lots of people still talk about the proc CDR it used to give
unborn island
I didn't see that the effect had changed
orchid token
and while the major is nice you essentially waste the minor slot to it
since majors are a package deal
oh you meant vision @unborn island
unborn island
Icy veins has it doing something different and doesn't mention any package/stat effect
Anima*
orchid token
oh in that case yes
anime minor sucks
anima*
the major and minor work at opposite goals to each other
if you're above 35% health then you don't need an extra 27k, and if you're not then you don't have the extra
shut summit
ye
it has potential in m+ for big pulls
nothing set in stone yet
(if only reaping wasnt going away)
unborn island
I guess I just thought it was a bit lacklustre as something with a 2minute CD when vision is like...passive bonus avatar/BoM
orchid token
the problem with major essences in general is that you cant evaluate the major power in a vacuum because it always comes as a package deal with the minor
unborn island
But idk
orchid token
so a lot of essences with really nice majors are wasted by having a crap minor
because even if another essence has a slightly worse major, if the combination of both is better then you gain more by using the weaker major
shut summit
VoP is also kind of annoying with how it procs
from when did normal PTR testing, didnt proc forever
then you get stuff like https://i.imgur.com/2XgZJiT.png
sick sentinel
conflict and strife in m+ 👌
shut summit
ye prolly gonna be silly some of the shit you can do with it / crackling thunder
sick sentinel
perma double vers on rootable mobs
small nexus
sounds like fun for other melee killing them
and then smacked in the face cuz rooted
shut summit
pretty sure doesnt happen this xpac
orchid token
I don't think that mechanic exists anymore
I know what you mean, snared mobs would just punt someone
shut summit
like when hunters use binding shot, since it got changed to root instead of stun
they dont turn and hit others
shut summit
ye
orchid token
Shield bash and bleed etc
sick sentinel
cnf rank 3 is so far away 😔
willow scarab
cnf?
orchid token
Conflict
willow scarab
Assuming you get more token for your rating i'm sure it'll take 2 maximum 3 weeks if you push 1800-2k quicxkly
last mason
Attempting to tank a 15 shrine I think just completely put me off tanking in bfa
The second boss is the epitome of why tanking is actually fucking cancer this expansion
dapper thistle
You have always had to move out of ground effects.
last mason
You have to move around tornadoes, move her out of her ground effect, him out of his, dodge cleave, and worst of all clear the fucking tornado rebuff
Dps just... don’t step in tornadoes and hit the boss
austere oar
Blizzard's understanding of tanking
No wonder there are so little tanks in the game rn
last mason
Blizz understanding of tanking is making 90% of the dungeon purely the responsibility of the tank
willow scarab
You have to do slightly more than the dps
That fight really hurt you if you're mentioning it again
dapper thistle
So, tanking is cancer because you have to slowly walk in a circle instead of sitting still with zero mechanics and just tank and spank. You might check into classic when it comes out, basically zero mechanics in the whole game.
willow scarab
How do you kill raid bosses if that boss was rough on you
last mason
It did, it was fucking embarrassing because I was playing with good people and I choked
I’ve been trying to switch into prot for the last 2 months since warrior dps is...warrior dps
willow scarab
warrior dps looks good in 8,.2 and prot nerf
dapper thistle
So you were new to tanking the fight. That isn't choking, that's learning. Nothing to feel bad about.
wheat bronze
Probably worth doing in lower keys first, though
dapper thistle
^
last mason
So every time you get hit by a tornado you get a stack of some +dmg debug right?
wheat bronze
No, that's from missing a kick
last mason
Oh so when her cast hits you
wheat bronze
You need 3x 15 second kicks (or 2x 15 second kicks with 2x 24 second kicks) to cover all of the interrupts
but each time you kick, you spawn a tornado
unborn sapphire
Just don't get hit by tornados, put ranged and healer on the ledge so that they don't get hit. Otherwise the cue for moving is whenever there is a buff on her you gotto move more as a tornado spawns.
willow scarab
each time you kick whilst she has the buff* she spawns a tornado
she gets the buff after she casts swiftness circle
last mason
So when she has the buff you just have to tank her casts?
wheat bronze
If there's a protection totem up, you can
but it isn't "you" tanking her casts
It's a group wide damage spell
Everyone will get stacks
willow scarab
when the buff is up you can let a cast or two out but it's best not to
kick later in the cast
wheat bronze
It's pretty easy to dodge the tornados but kinda sucks for guardian druids. Your interrupt is also a charge and often makes you do bad things on that fight.
Did they nerf Siege of Boralus or did we get a bugged boss? The last boss never spawned additional tentacles, so we just killed the two on each platform and won.
willow scarab
If you don't aggro the tentacles until everyone is in range and ready to burst you'll rarely be there long enough for 2
unborn sapphire
You can only let casts through if you got the green circle to dispel -- the minus effect is that you would have to have the healer and ranged dps clearning stacks as well == dps loss.
willow scarab
otherwise no it's the same
wheat bronze
We were definitely on each platform long enough to get additional spawns
It was a 19, takes a bit to burst the gripping down
shell cloak
no, last boss in siege is definitely bugged
demolisher tentacles don't spawn when they should, nerfed or bugged IDK
grand drum
does the activation of avatar from Vision of perfection give 20 rage?
rapid jewel
yes
brazen mauve
There is 1
Demo tentacle
I think it’s to make up for the spotter nerf but that’s a huge nerf to the boss in general
Since you just burn the single gripping while the tank just sits on the demo
oblique garnet
@willow scarab Siege is bugged atm its not spawning any new demolishers
hasty nova
hey i don't see any words on the pin about benthic armor
i guess my question is
if i have 425 gear
should i replace a 425 with a benthic 425?
open pilot
do we know if abyssal commander sivara's crushing reverberation is blockeable?
feel free to ping at me if you know
wheat bronze
@open pilot Based on PTR logs, no. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/yb9nTzcC7gNmYfAK#fight=2&type=damage-taken&source=2&ability=295332&view=events
small flicker
are all the heart of azeroth things good for tanking or is there a best one yet?
undone sun
potent anvil
Not gonna lie, triple longstrider is huge. No longer ♿ speeds. 125% movespeed all the time
sick sentinel
Gotta go fast
raven flower
strong forum
raiding if 5+ people use it
clear sapphire
Probably been asked 1 hundred times already but what is our all purpose pot for the new raid?
quiet relic
Question: are there benthaic peice we want to push to 425? over in the pally discord and such there are simming better then 445 and such
sick sentinel
feet
ionic fern
@clear sapphire superior strength with Unbridled for st dps most likely.
quiet relic
@sick sentinel wgat feet? the crit or mastery ones?
sick sentinel
the crit ones
hasty nova
we want benthic feet?
quiet relic
i hope so 😄 i just spent 260 perals upgrading it
hasty nova
my feet are already 425 tho
exotic spoke
But you can get 425 socketed gear with an effect that you can further upgrade once raid releases
hasty nova
ah okay there is the catch
so feat it is then i have the crit /vers ones, i assume those are the ones we want?
I figured ppl would want the waist for the 2% dmg
exotic spoke
there’s a list on icy veins for the best defensive ones.
It’s expensive to get the one you want with sockets so I just went for the lowest piece of gear I had
hasty nova
i saw the thing on icy veins
they don't even mention the feet so
i figured what yall were saying might be something updated that was not on icy veins
exotic spoke
Because it’s purely for defensives
hasty nova
oh i see feet on there now nvm mb
exotic spoke
Also yes they are there. I went for gloves first as I only had 415 gloves. Didn’t get the one I want - crits can heal - but I got the shadow damage reduction
exotic spoke
Basically what I went for. It’s a guaranteed upgrade (once you get to the right Ilvl)
I don’t see long term use in them personally but I know certain things are huge. For damage the belt may be nerfed from what I hear
hasty nova
well it's only on two bosses in EP so idk maybe
but yeah long term none of that shit will be worth it i don't think
unless u can level them above 425 after july 9th?
junior ivy
who can fly and who cant
shut summit
winners can
junior ivy
i'm offended
undone sun
Hi, loser here
junior ivy
i'm offended on behalf of thyme and myself
shut summit
🙃
oblique garnet
Imagine not flying 8)
sick sentinel
@junior ivy only for engineers I think
primal sable
theres a BMAH in boralus too
junior ivy
well im an engineering so i can use it thats all icare about lol
help my friend ^^
what can i tell him
@undone sun or @oblique garnet
undone sun
What tank
undone sun
Vision, lucid, world vein, https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/protection-warrior-pve-tank-essences
Also I'm basically in the middle of nowhere, internet is iffy
undone sun
👍
onyx vessel
Doubtful
junior ivy
why do i have thge option to install it then
junior ivy
i asked you a question
junior ivy
kk ty
oblique garnet
Need to get some more actual data
onyx vessel
Vision as major all day
onyx vessel
Also the anima of life and death from m+ is quite strong
oblique garnet
It wont be that strong when reaping is gone
oblique garnet
??
onyx vessel
Hmm i guess i just suck at prot 
sweet kettle
Most likely
oblique garnet
Probably 8)
sweet kettle
Did you turn your back?
onyx vessel
No
sweet kettle
Did you soaked the bleeds like a monkey?
onyx vessel
Prob
primal sable
which part of the dungeon bent you over
sweet kettle
You can easily check that on details
Those enemies are the hardest in the key so you need to be careful
Use a pet or an ally to help you
onyx vessel
Well i did have a healer from br
sweet kettle
Br?
onyx vessel
Rag server
primal sable
nah dude, blame the hunter instead
onyx vessel
Nothing can then
oblique garnet
Unhealable at 10?🤔
sweet kettle
Well I don't know his gear
onyx vessel
410
onyx vessel
What you guys think of the str use vers trinket from mechagon
oblique garnet
We just did 21 atal and even though it was bit scuffed with some things i had no issues staying alive 🤷
sweet kettle
Hot garbo
onyx vessel
Shaman better reaping tank
oblique garnet
? Huh
sweet kettle
Arms better reaping tank
raw echo
While we on the topic of KR, what do you guys do to deal with zul on fort weeks? I ran a 17 KR last week and got absolutely stomped on by him 😅
onyx vessel
Not in a 10
sweet kettle
Some kite it but I have never done it
Maybe in an enrage week or some other bullshit week
onyx vessel
Back to work -.-
sweet kettle
With lucid now you have rage for days
oblique garnet
Ele doesnt take any damage from reaping
@raw echo basically just lust and after you run out of everything you run back to the 3rd boss spawn room
raw echo
Cheers man will give that a go next time 👌🏻
sweet kettle
And don't forget spell reflect
oblique garnet
^
orchid token
if you're feeling fancy you can dance with him at 40 yd range
be at 40 yds for him to start a cast, move a few yds to be out of range. repeat
it's as good as kiting except he moves less so DPS can keep full uptime
warm plinth
No, just means you're working on paragon
You can hover over it to see how far you are
exotic spoke
No you don’t catfriend
junior ivy
ty
outer dew
@warm plinth you still play your dudu?
warm plinth
Nah not really @outer dew Mostly because I ended up pretty much going full horde. My M+ group is on horde-side
warm plinth
😦
warm plinth
Why?
warm plinth
Druid whispering in your ear like N'zoth
ivory peak
so will a M+10 give upgraded loot on tuesday in weekly chest or will it be the same as it is now?
ivory peak
damn
warm plinth
Should give S2 rewards if it follows the same rules as the S1>S2 transition
Which means 625 residuum for +10
junior ivy
i need major help
i died 3 times trying to do this quest
what do ido
@warm plinth '
chilly brook
Yo! Is prot still meta?!?!? I gotta know 🙃
outer dew
yes
chilly brook
I’ma toxic boi
chilly brook
And he knows I don’t mean it or at least I hope he does lmao
chilly brook
When you take a forced 6 week vacation from gaming because of work 🙃
outer dew
lmao
outer dew
how
chilly brook
There’s a thing called gravity and it’s not nice to camera lenses
It goes hand in hand with another concept called stupidity, which I exude
outer dew
ssmh smh
chilly brook
Got some nice beach shots though 👌🏻
At this point I’m just trying to joke about it so I don’t feel like I wanna die
On the bright side it was only the kit lens
And I was gonna Yeet it for a 25mm anyways
chilly brook
Especially when your 25 is essentially a 50mm because it’s m4/3
outer dew
i'm gonna pretend i understand
chilly brook
Lol
Basically micro 4/3rds sensors mean you take whatever the lens focal length is and you double it
chilly brook
So a 25mm on a micro 4/3rds is the equivalent of a 50mm on a full frame
outer dew
now you're losing me
chilly brook
Basically you get really nice pictures and videos with good shallow depth of field
chilly brook
And she’s becoming genocidal?
junior ivy
its decorated for xmas
chilly brook
Lol wat
junior ivy
my god. i hate jaina. i hate thra,ll. i hgate everyone here
i hate mathias shaw
what is thius?!?1
undone sun
Essence
junior ivy
so thats what essences are
is this a good essence
wait dont answer me, have fun on your trip instead
solid owl
are prot raidbots sims fucked? I don't see concentrated flame on the damage list when it's set as my major
warm plinth
@ionic fern Are we still waiting on essences in APL/simc?
chilly brook
Not sure how the essences are shaking out tbh
shut summit
early numbers he posted earlier, ignore nullification dynamo minor, is always proccing for full damage and that wont happen majority of the time
this is only ST
warm plinth
Thanks Sense
Guessing Anima must not be done yet? Surprised not to see it on the major list
ionic fern
Just need a bit more tuning and i will upload the apl.👌 pretty much done otherwise.
warm plinth
Sweet. Thanks for your hard work!
ionic fern
But in general i don't expect the order to change from what Sense linked earlier.
warm plinth
Is there a reason Anima isn't listed?
undone sun
So did vision, doesn't stop from simming it
broken ledge
Debating on going eng. Are the goggles worth it for prot?
ionic fern
Jeah, the goggles are pretty good for prot. :)
Especially if you don't have DC on another piece.
But if i had to take a quick guess i'd say Anima is probably somewhere on the bottom..for ST atleast.
merry cave
Surprised lucid dreams is so high for damage 🤔
solid owl
More rage -> more anger management -> more avatars
orchid token
although it requires some super wasteufl IPs
merry cave
Yeah my thoughts were same it feels wasteful as well
ionic fern
Jep-but better that than ragecapping and losing out on AM.
sick sentinel
In pins is anima as default for mythic+ as major essence. Does vision of perfection falls behind so much in major slot?
I am not sure how effective ly use lucid dream essence for generating rage. Use it with pulling group in m+ or wait some time?
merry cave
Worldveins good fun until reaping goes away tomorrow
ionic fern
@sick sentinel icy-veins guide suggests Anima since it's a good "all arounder" ..it provides you dps and survivability. VoP is acting weird and needs some more testing to see how it's actually implemented on live atm.
orchid token
its also a reactive survivability button which papers over a prot warrior weakness
ie that you have few ways to react to damage once its happened
ionic fern
And regarding lucid...roughly on CD but outside of Avatar since you will most likely not be able to spend all the rage you generate if you use it inside of it.. early sims are better(not over capping rage as much and doing higher dps) when using it outside Avatar as well.
remote sedge
@shut summit How is Worldvein minor simed there? Is it simply by maintaining your own azerite shards?
ionic fern
@remote sedge by default it's simmed with 0 allies nearby.
If we set the nearby allies to 3 at which point you will have roughly 100% uptime of 4 stacks you get the following
ionic fern
Jeah,hence what i just posted.😂
sick sentinel
Oh m'bad dude, I totally misread
daring jolt
So basically is crucible for ST content and vision for everything else?
remote sedge
You'd probably want vision at all times due to i being good offensive and defensive
ionic fern
Pure dps wise atm CoF major for ST definetly yes.
sturdy void
Yeah vision major performs better on multi target
celest briar
Does anyone know how worldvein minor is shaping up for other melee classes
sturdy void
More rage and the other options are weak
celest briar
It greatly depends on your role. I can pull much higher dps than my co tank. I'll be going full dps until it becomes an issue
sturdy void
O_o
ionic fern
CoF major is better for st regardless.
daring jolt
I don't know about going full dps, cause my co-tank play pretty safe
sturdy void
Yeah, multi target tho vision
@ionic fern What would you run on prog, like all these other options are very lack lustre defensively and piss poor in regards to dps
celest briar
CoF major, worldvein minor... Swapping to vision for any heavy AOE in the major slot I'd imagine
Changing that depending on the number of allies with worldvein of course
sturdy void
Mustn't be very good prog if ur running that
celest briar
Why not?
sturdy void
If it were good prog you'd be playing more defensive at least
celest briar
We'll get AOTC first week I think
sturdy void
Exactly
ionic fern
Considering i'm lazy as hell with min-maxing i'd play CoF major on all bosses with Worldvein/VoP minor as well. 🤷
sturdy void
Well Mwahi u don't even raid anymore so...
ionic fern
I do for the new tier.;)
sturdy void
@celest briar You don't play until it becomes an issue because if it is an issue right away ur causing problems, u play to have a cushion to compensate for mistakes
celest briar
Except early in prog dps is often a big issue. Especially pushing early mythic
ionic fern
I mean..for majority people in this discord you can run w/e.
Since we're not World first raiders. 😂
celest briar
I don't do whatever. I do what's best for my guild to push kills as soon as possible
If that means going defensive then I will. If it means going full dps then that's what I do
Also I'm unclear what you see as meaningful prog
orchid token
on any boss where a warrior needs to gear defensively you're going to be a squashed DK or paladin
the reality is warrior doesn't need to play defensively on any boss unless magic damage is a real concern
because the baseline kit is so strong that playing defensively is a waste
celest briar
Pretty much that
silk portal
Hey, newish to Prot Warrior in M+, how do you guys deal with Skittish when grouped with a DH?
regal saddle
Tell him to pop a defensive
sturdy void
Just pump
minor sundial
is there any sim opportunity for prot?
sturdy void
Sim works fine
ionic fern
@silk portal it can be hard if the DH just eyebeams at the start and you don't have Avatar.
Gotta do your best with Charge->TC->Revenge and then taunt if needed. Remember that Heroic Leap also resets taunt CD so you can Taunt->Leap->Taunt.
If there's a lot of mobs and you can't get aggro then you can just Shockwave to atleast reduce the damage taken by the DH.
If you have Avatar this shouldn't be a problem tho since your AoE snap aggro is still good enough to out-do w/e the DH is throwing at them.
In general Skittish also requires DPS'ers to realize that they have to play a bit differently not only the tank.
@sturdy void he did say "New to prot warr in m+" so just give appropriate advice with a bit more explanation as to why if you have experience. : )
ionic fern
Yes. : )
strong forum
Yes
minor sundial
but sim isnt just for dps?
ionic fern
Sims are purely for DPS.
You can't sim defensive no matter what some people tell you.
minor sundial
oh shit thanks man
crystal dirge
Hiho, are you guys hiding any nice beguiling routes/tips/guides under your beer bellies?:p
ionic fern
No.:( Well..not.me atleast.
willow scarab
I think you'll find information in the next few weeks, not much is avilable now
distant crystal
i think the routes will probably shift each week eh?
the beguiling mobs are in different packs each week i think
ionic fern
Jeah. Will take some time to see all the possibilities and testing of the routes.
distant crystal
i hear it's going to be really handy to have a dps/healer with a taunt though
to yoink the emissary away from the rest of the pack
ionic fern
I mean...resto druid ...can root..blowaway ..taunt..all while hot's are healing the grp.
👌
Iirc the emissaries only have a 8s cc duration now without any DR..meaning that a resto can just keep spam rooting them every 8s.
distant crystal
oh i didn't know root worked
i guess it's just the anti-cc emissary that can't be?
minor sundial
mastery or haste is more important?
sorry im just tryin prot newly and i dont know what should i belive on internet xd
and another question
minor sundial
in the custom trinket i have a yellow card in with 408ilv and gives me crit 300 mastery 90 but i got another with 412 ilvl gives me 300 haste and a little versa
is it worth it to change?
what do u think
sick sentinel
Hi guys, sry if someone already asked the question, do you know if wednesday we're gonna have the "reset" on chest ? Like, 430+ items and 17k residues of titans ?
i think it will be on mythic week
so not next week
ok so, if i do 10 this week im gonna have 410 and 00 residues ?
700*
oblique garnet
Yes
primal sable
620something isnt it? From a +10
dim juniper
Isn't it you need to do a 14?
modest wedge
season 3 rewards begins after you finish a dungeon in season 3
to state it simply
you get -4 to your finished key. finish +19 you get +15 next week
tl:dr
true hatch
Are the new ENG helms any good? Don't like not having BOM
true hatch
Cool. So TC which ENG trait are we taking? Relational Normalization Gizmo?
austere oar
ye
true hatch
Ty
junior ivy
whats that
timber nest
how good does the arcane heart trait look?
austere oar
Yeah I dont think it will have much use for tanks
Even for dps 1.5 mil is like 3 procs a fight ?
frigid forge
Anyone have a clue about the range of the aoe effect on theese? [Neri's Heavy Manacles]
orchid token
@austere oar it's about 2 procs every 3 minutes
assuming 40k total DPS+HPS
which pretty much every player in the raid will hit
once we get up to those kinds of ilvls
austere oar
You think tanks are gonna reach those numbers ?
orchid token
most DPS sim around 30-35k right now single target, tanks are on 18-20 depending how aggressive you go
add in ~10k hps right now for tanks
there's 30k
and we're about to gain 30 ilvls
austere oar
Yeah you're right
lyric glen
The new trinket Pocket-Sized Computations Device. Is it anything to have as a tank?
lyric glen
Was thinking when you get a punchcard that procs high with haste and something else usefull would be like a good push stat wise but yeah I got all the others thats is ranked as best
Got 2 , 420 yellow punch cards wth huge amount of crit but dunno if I should put that in before haste unfortunatly not got any with haste first
analog swift
Crit is still a fine stat
definitely our second best, not only is it tons of damages it's free revenge
austere oar
All stats are good, you wanna go for ilvl
exotic spoke
He’s specifically comparing two equal Ilvl punch cards
Keep in mind that the punch cards scale down to the specific Ilvl of the overall trinket too
analog swift
I mean if you HAD to rank them, probably what haste crit, verse/mast
lyric glen
Question is will it be that for this patch too? we go for ilvl first and prefer haste?`
analog swift
yeah always ilvl first
austere oar
If same ilvl go for haste
analog swift
a little bit of haste isn't going to beat 1) more stats 2) more prim stat 3) more stam/armor
exotic spoke
As for ranking them it depends on content.
analog swift
yeah true, magic heavy verse i guess even then just kick forehead
exotic spoke
Meh, haste crit for m+ all day long
If the mobs are dead your damage intake approaches zero
kindred rapids
What's you opinion about devastor actually? When I Sim it with Devastor on I gain like 1000 dps but don't know if run with devastor is really good
austere oar
Dev is good for pure ST dmg
exotic spoke
It’s fine for a specific single target build. But not worth it in any other situation
lyric glen
I go devastator all time, I wont change, suits my playstyle
austere oar
BV is more defensive
exotic spoke
What content do you do Fyria?
tranquil burrow
why do you care
lyric glen
I raid and do m+
exotic spoke
Because I’m curious to understand his reasoning and why. I like to educate myself as to different view points
austere oar
Tbh devastator is pretty non optimal in m+ situations
exotic spoke
Devastator for raids I can see. I’m surprised by m+ but if it works for you it works for you.
Personally going for a dagger for single target devastator 😃
kindred rapids
Devastor on raid when single target is on point
kindred rapids
But on m+ BV is more viable and strong with those big pull
lyric glen
Well tbh I like the fact that it is one button less to press:) And I tried the other I feel I get more dps out when I did "hammer" thunderclap , but since they nerfed it I dunno if its worth it
austere oar
20% increased dmg on everything you hit is still superior than small dps gain on short ST focus
exotic spoke
UF is still worth for a couple reasons. With perfection we will get higher avatar uptime (and with lucid dreams) just not the burst
And more Demo shout - assuming BV - for more damage and mitigation
kindred rapids
You will run with Vision and Lucid? Not Vision and Anima?
lyric glen
Tried yesterday to play like I did before the change, I do have Memory of Lucid dreams in my neck, and do devastor, and on bigger pulls, did 20 k.. thats like 80 less than I before:P
marble cipher
I don't have issues reaching > 100k on big pulls with avatar+clap though, even after the nerf
austere oar
BV makes each TC you make deal 20% increased dmg on each target
lyric glen
You go devastator or BV? Shinigami?
austere oar
lyric glen
Maybe I should go back to that again hmm Its only i really liked the Devastator playstyle:)
Thunderclap for the win:P
exotic spoke
When I have all three it’s anima major and the other two minor.
In the mean time I’ll have vision first a#so I’ll do that for a bit.
Not sure if I need the survivability or not. If I don’t need survivability then I need to maximize dps
lyric glen
So about that trinket with the punchcards I just not use it as tank then?
marble cipher
I'm not using it, but if I get good cards from the new mega dungeon, I might
single target the revered rustbolt red card is quite broken though
exotic spoke
Agree shinigami
austere oar
BV is the highest rage generating talent in this row anyway
exotic spoke
I’m not using it now but I may mess around with it. Need the right punch cards. Don’t use the blue one that’s a neural silencer though
austere oar
You can craft a 420 yellow at the robot
lyric glen
well I got like 3 Metal detector ones from the data anomaly quest today (kept killit it cause of the patterns it drops too)
austere oar
And theres the revered red card of mechagon to go with it which provides ridiculous ST dps
lyric glen
thats a a good use to get the stupid spare parts
marble cipher
@austere oar that yellow 420 one requires a pattern drop probably?
austere oar
I dont think so
marble cipher
Cause I don't have any good punchcards yet it seems
exotic spoke
I got a 425 vers / haste one. Wish it was crit haste in any form
austere oar
It's in the trinket section iirc
marble cipher
some people from guild had drops yesterday too, from that metal detector quest, I did the quest on three chars, never got any chest with a card in it, so either unlucky, or doing something wrong 😄
exotic spoke
Just farm the turnnins 😃
marble cipher
@austere oar I'll have a look tonight, rustbolt progress isn't that far yet on warrior though, as I've been doing the rep grind on my monk
junkwat depot daily recycling stuff you mean @exotic spoke
?
analog swift
@exotic spoke totally agree haste/crit all day but I guess eventually we won't reach a cap but with once we reach a certain amount of crit it will become less worthwhile than verse in terms of damage output
not including free revenges
exotic spoke
Yes shinigami. That’s where you get it
lyric glen
tested the robot thing and got this, is this horrible bad?
marble cipher
k, guess I'll join a farm group there if I get bored 😄
analog swift
i bet that's super good just because it lines up well w/ avatar
lyric glen
@marble cipher go kill the Data anomaly today can kill it as many times you want, I got 3 of that metal detector from that
marble cipher
Is that a daily quest for today?
analog swift
ava clap demo clap trink clap
lyric glen
yes
marble cipher
kk, thanks for the tip
lyric glen
np yw
exotic spoke
Theseus that’s my thought too. I got a 425 version. I regret opening it before tomorrow >.>
lyric glen
that trinket? Or the punchcard?`
sick sentinel
How do I see how much damage my Aegis of the Deep major prevented?
in warcraft logs
hasty nova
So apparently in Seige of boralous the new strat is for the tank to sit on the demo tenticle and dps burn the gripping. because NO additional demos spawn. it's just the one
pretty sweet imo. I always hated that boss
spice ferry
merry cave
lots of mythic + bugs atm, or 'undcoumented changes'
carmine ibex
@sick sentinel aegis major is bugged or something. It should be doing some kind of absorb but it's not. I looked at a bunch of logs with some guys from the paladin discord and in some cases it was doing literally nothing. In other cases, it was reducing the raw damage by something like 1,400, a far cry from the 4,500 on the tooltip.
merry cave
theres so much shit that now does bursting again, which wasnt before
carmine ibex
Also, it's damage reduction looked like it was pre-block.
merry cave
which makes me worried for bolstering
Tol dagor cannon change isnt a bug, but its really awful too lol
strong forum
Ye I noticed alot of things did burst in waycrest or freehold that shouldn't
exotic spoke
Like the maggots
merry cave
the yellows in tol burst again as well
strong forum
Ye literally everything bursted in WM
exotic spoke
Yup
merry cave
at least the shrine slimes dont i guess -_-
strong forum
They don't?
merry cave
they didnt on thursday, unless its changed
analog swift
yeah shrine droplets dont but fucking everything in waycrest does, also TD on a bursting week with the canon change is a big off.
sand egret
woof, back to those hallways being aids again
analog swift
yeah did it last night and holy fuck was it a pain
tbh it should just be % based, i know that's fucky but just make it every 2-3% you get the bursting stack, ez fix stops yellows, stops shit .5% mobs from bursting etc.
sand egret
really wish they turn busting into a relative debuff like nectroic, so normal mobs apply appropriately.
hasty nova
it also says that
analog swift
because it wasn't like that before tuesday @hasty nova
sand egret
yeah it's not a bug, just a pain
hasty nova
the maggosts are suppose to burst again
analog swift
sauce?
hasty nova
oh hell i just closed it out give me a min
brittle owl
maggots burst if you kill em before infest. if they infest they don't burst anymore
hasty nova
devouring maggots once again apply on death affixes: IE bursting
No, @analog swift i think all these changes were made at 8.2 launch. Only season three has not started yet. you can still practice on the new content
for example, freehold is already 3min shorter
Does anyone have an up-to-date guide on beguiling? I cannot find one for some reason. I want to freshen my memory for tomorrow.
sand egret
i'd imagine the intention would be to get in the actual dungeon changes in but keep the scaling when the new ilvls roll out
sick sentinel
new scaling is not in because I just timed a 21 WCM lmao
exotic spoke
Makes sense. But it felt nice to destroy some dungeons with essences
hasty nova
Anyone know best place to study beguiling?
analog swift
yeah scaling is def not in, timing 20 keys n such, the shock from teeming volca to teeming fort felt brutal
strong forum
Ye we +2 FH 17 even with the timer change so no way the scaling is in effect
analog swift
@hasty nova thanks man you're right. makes since why droplets and little rats don't burst any more
strong forum
Also easily timed WM 19 with full pepega group
analog swift
still felt like a shit ton bursting in a waycrest than usual /shrug
strong forum
Ye but manageable
sand egret
not very fun management for sure
hasty nova
yeah no worries man, there is a lot of "information" out riht now about upcoming patch. I have had to sift through a lot of bad information
sand egret
stepping on glass isn't a very compelling mechanic haha
mint adder
Any tank notes out for new raid?
hasty nova
and I think if everyone helps to stamp out rumors it will go a long way
sick sentinel
@strong forum are you bored?
sand egret
I don't think so @mint adder unless Panth updated it, which I don't think he has
we normally get a Pin when that happens
analog swift
hhhmmm
strong forum
I'm HELLA bored
analog swift
can energy lash be kicked now?
strong forum
How did ou figure
analog swift
"will not be applied unless channel is completed"
always was supposed to be able to be kicked
hasty nova
it says energy lash can be "magic dispelled" not sure what that means
analog swift
hhmmm
sand egret
aka during the channel
sick sentinel
mint adder
Dope, thanks
sick sentinel
do you think this is good?
analog swift
maybe kill before channel completed?
sick sentinel
it's the minor from aegis
sand egret
yeah or dispel after it completes
sick sentinel
and can see find me a way to see how much damage it prevented or if it did any at all
analog swift
it never looked like a protected cast before but you still couldn't kick or stun or anything
dense flame
sand egret
maybe you can int those, but my guess is that the cast will still be the same but the actual cadence of the damage is backloaded
unborn sapphire
Best Benthic boots being Zanjir's Scaleguard boots, or the 3% increased critical dmg ones?
strong forum
Wtf
sick sentinel
what's up nome
sand egret
@dense flame considering this season requires way more coordination, it'll prob be worse haha
strong forum
I was thinking about it
sick sentinel
I just can't find how much damage the major prevented
strong forum
It's not counted in healing done?
sand egret
Aegis Major?
sick sentinel
rewind is the major the healer was using
strong forum
Bro why is u using quick nav 🤔
sick sentinel
absorbs 400k damage and 400k healing and gives you all of it in the end
cba re-enchanting lmao
for 2 runs
I did 1 run lastweek and 1 run this week
strong forum
Whaddaya mean Re-enchant, just stay force mult
sick sentinel
last time I enchanted my weapon was 2 months ago?
strong forum
Gotta squeeze dem Sims and day1 parses :^)
If I hadnt traded my grong away I could prolly be at 23k ST now 🙃
exotic spoke
I’m being cheap - quick nav TIL I get an upgrade
sick sentinel
same
agile spruce
Guys the hands that Taking damage in Nazjatar or the Eternal Palace has a chance to increase your Dodge and heal you every 2 seconds for 10 seconds.
any worth in them?
strong forum
Eh hardly worth, it's 4.7k heal every 2 sec on 425 with 2 ppm for 10sec
And 123 dodge, that's not even 5% I think
agile spruce
Do we have any really good benthic gear? Sorry if its been asked i couldnt find anything on it
strong forum
If you can get a 440+ no
sick sentinel
It's not going to be better than a mythic piece of gear
And ilvl always wins defensively
dense imp
Why do y'all say keys will be scaled down again? Has there been a post stating that this patch? I assumed it would continue as is and we would just be moving to higher keys as gear improves.
Nevermind, just found the blue post!
austere oar
Something has spooked one of de brutosaurs, sending it into a panic. Dis chaos is de last thing de city needs. Help de merchants by rescuing the cargo before you get stomped on!
dense imp
@hasty nova thanks!
ancient cradle
is naga hide enchant worth replacing quick navigation? bonuses looks good, but haste buff is haste buff
keen stirrup
is the new enchant on weapon good for prot war?
exotic spoke
Naga hide is ehhhh from my understanding
The other one - force multiplier I think - is supposed to be pretty good for us
strong forum
Force multiplier is good because it has very high uptime and its always alot of stats, whereas quick nav is only a couple seconds of 600 haste every other minute
empty inlet
carmine ibex
@sick sentinel aegis major is not counted on healing, and it seems to be broken anyway
it's reducing raw damage by as little as ~1,400 per swing (the old value) not the 4,500 per swing after the"buff"
and on top of that, it looks like it's reducing raw damage pre-block
either it's not working correctly or it's just like the worst major in the game
oblique garnet
youd use aegis as minor not major
strong forum
Ye you would want the vers maybe for m+ but the active seems dull
Prolly better on smth like monk and vdh
sick sentinel
I just wanted to try it and see how it was
strong forum
Would aegis technically reduce stagger to 0?
Or does it only apply to attacks
Cuz if it would reduce stagger, its broken
Apparently it doesn't
strong forum
Yey time to use em for 1 week :D
strong forum
Unluck
strong forum
M+ drops 430 soon, and next reset TF cap is 455
And the boots are useless in m+?
Like if you don't raid the boots don't give you any bonus besides the socket
So idk if that worth it for you
silk portal
425+ Socket wiht Haste/Mastery is probably going to last me two or so weeks, knowing my shit luck on loot drops
Three weeks maybe.
strong forum
I mean ye it's always good, I'm gonna use my 420 without socket anyway cuz I only have 410 with socket
silk portal
That's considering that there's ideally only 2 sets of boots from M+ that I would consider changing them with
ripe mason
Is there any way I can use logs to check my performance as a tank and improve from them?
Otherwise, what can I do to keep track of my performance improvement?
warm plinth
You can check blocked hits %, how often you’re using cooldowns, making sure you’re not overcapping rage, etc.
exotic spoke
You really have to log raids / mythic plus and evaluate the logs.
The major points, like Ghash said, being. % of hits blocked, cooldown usage, and wasted rage
terse tide
what % hits blocked we looking for
ripe mason
Alright, because on DPS I can just check the parse % on Damage Done
Was a little confused on how it was for tanks
exotic spoke
Ideally - 100% blocked. But that depends on the strategy you use, your co tank, and a lot of other things in raid. It is not realistic to have that every pull imo - so just as high as you can get.
In m+ that’s not consistently attainable.
I’d say high 80s for mythic plus but I could be misremembering
near fern
Hey weird question: What is the selling points of protwar over protpally or VDH
My guild needs someone to step up as tank and while i have a fully geared druid (boring as hell) and DK (dislike dual resource gating my mit), so i am picking something i can have good to go within a couple weeks. Trying to figure out what will be most fun long term.
exotic spoke
We have the best physical mitigation of all the tanks. We bring very good dps. We have raid cooldowns / externals to give to people.
We can cheese some mechanics / ignore them with block and spell reflect
near fern
i guess the better way to phrase it is, do you like the minute to minute gameplay of prot and why lol
sick sentinel
I like how prot warr feels to play rn
exotic spoke
Yes - because see above.
There is always something we can do. I can bring a lot to the raid. I don’t feel weak in any situation really.
Also, being able to take triple grong smashes is fun
exotic spoke
Hes asking a subjective question - he gets a subjective answer
undone sun
Exactly my point
near fern
subjective is valid in this case, i am dropping the dk cuz it doesnt feelgood
undone sun
Right but it may no feel the same to you as it does others
sick sentinel
I think asking for personal opinion is really valid
exotic spoke
Obviously those others haven’t found the true and perfect tank religion that is prot warrior then Thyme
near fern
i mean hearing that there is always something you can do already makes it sound better than dk lol
exotic spoke
In raids I’m consistently helping our healers out by safeguarding people who fucked a mechanic.
Or using shout right before big damage.
Same with m+ honestly
exotic spoke
A 10 today or a 10 tomorrow?
near fern
that answer is gonnna change in about 24 hours lol
tropic star
has anyone played with safeguard in PTR on Orgozoa? anyone know if intercept will alos each a stack of the numming venom or if thats a separate cast?
sick loom
I tanked a +14 yesterday witz 394
exotic spoke
You can do a 10 today.
A ten tomorrow I don’t know cause they are changing the scaling / new affixes
neon tangle
exotic spoke
%^