protection

[junior ivy]

@dreamy hull lemme teach you everything i know

[sand egret]

/facepalm

[junior ivy]

lol poor guy

[warm plinth]

catfriend 1 hour ago: what are spare parts?
catfriend now: let me teach you everything I know

[junior ivy]

hahaha

cant believe i left my guild... feels so free. dunno what i wanna do now

[undone sun]

🎉

[ivory peak]

i havent been in this discord long, but @junior ivy is a name i definetly have come to know lol and lemme say catfriend makes me happy lol

[junior ivy]

im glad 😄

i've been in this discord for like .. 3 years ....

.....

thats a long time

[warm plinth]

cat alternates between driving me crazy and making me laugh so I feel you

[undone sun]

🤣

[junior ivy]

ghash at least you dont have to put up with me being in your guild

like @prisma crane does now

[stark sage]

[undone sun]

Poor @prisma crane

[warm plinth]

^

[undone sun]

😼

[prisma crane]

Poor @prisma crane

[junior ivy]

lol

[lusty grotto]

poor krotoschip

[prisma crane]

but wait, you joined?!

nice 💪

now you can make friends with our new gnome mage

[junior ivy]

dont worry i plan to

she is a gnome, she has pigtails, she has kat in her name

[prisma crane]

you better join before she leaves!

[junior ivy]

i msged her since joining lol we talked for a sec

i joined todya. i msged my GM and he was sooo nice and understanding

he said im welcome back any time and made sure he had me on bnet

[prisma crane]

nice

[junior ivy]

also tbf guys im way less annoying in guilds than in this discord btw. for some reason im way shyer in guild chats

[prisma crane]

just takes time, you've fostered connections here

and have lots of questions

[junior ivy]

i was too scared to talk in guild chat in my last guild lol

[prisma crane]

well our guild is full of randoms, so just throw shit out there, idk 95% of them, we can kick dickheads

[warm plinth]

tfw never invited to Krotos's guild

[orchid sand]

https://youtu.be/NYjzEdqs6e0

[warm plinth]

Uh...okay?

[lusty grotto]

🤔

[orchid sand]

@junior ivy

[prisma crane]

everyone here is invited 😃 just have an alliance toon on Sargeras

[warm plinth]

Nah tbh I'm mostly playing horde now since that's where my M+ folks are

I still ❤ you though

[prisma crane]

yea alliance doesnt exist anymore

[orchid sand]

I posted link that might help the next time you redo ui

[prisma crane]

and fuck blizzard for doing that to us

[lusty grotto]

dont worry

we're all gonna be together after this expac

[warm plinth]

This expansion needs to lead into a unified expansion against the overt takeover of the old gods

And horde/alliance need to be one

Only way to solve this insane imbalance

[prisma crane]

i heard about that, and if you look back in my old messages here, that's what i said was the only way to fix it

[lusty grotto]

shudder just imagine the alliance kids queueing to pug keys OH YUCK

[prisma crane]

its too far fucked

[tough vault]

can I side with the good guys though?

[prisma crane]

shudder imagine all the horde players having to do content without imba racials 😉

[tough vault]

N'zoth has some compelling arguments.

[prisma crane]

lol ^

as a side note though, a +1 for blizzard for a change

those animated cut scenes, the almost comic looking ones

they're amazing

[warm plinth]

Yeah but alliance has the imba racials now

[prisma crane]

i LOVE the art style

[warm plinth]

Smeld and Dwarf racials

[prisma crane]

too late though

if they want to fix it, they'd have to make alli so broken that it's worth transfering entire guilds over, and worth the risk of an initially lower recruiting pool

and if they did that, they'd have to make xferring free

and if they did that, it'd be the same problem only reversed

i'm not going to lie

im expecting a book from union

[lusty grotto]

last time someone did that was Jettom

literally spent 2 hours typing

[prisma crane]

and, also not going to lie, i keep reading his name as "onion" and it's annoying me that im so dumb

[lusty grotto]

and it ended up being something about a conspiracy theory behind vulpera allied race being scheduled first tbut then pushed back

[sand egret]

ew, who types a lot

[orchid sand]

I'm on mobile.

[prisma crane]

yea i had that thought, it takes forever to type on the phone

at least for me

[warm plinth]

@prisma crane It's @sick sentinel's fault imo because he was Captain Unyun for a while I believe.

[prisma crane]

na

i just see the "un" first

[warm plinth]

He still is on youtube actually 😄

[crimson furnace]

guys, what trinket combos are u going to use??

[orchid sand]

Tldr. I want my dough back from the 3 race changes

In legion

[warm plinth]

But I did the same thing so either we're both dumb or that's how onion is supposed to be spelled. I could see it going either way XD

[prisma crane]

yea they make changes and if you min/max chase it'll get costly

[orchid sand]

Orc to be. Really liked the trait AT

[sand egret]

Onion = vegetable
Un-Ion = not changing raid fights so your guild can down it

[orchid sand]

Now tauren

[warm plinth]

What made you race change to Tauren?

[sand egret]

I did a meme

[orchid sand]

Feels bulky and slow

[prisma crane]

i been human since it was cool to be a night elf

[orchid sand]

War stomp

[warm plinth]

Shares DR with Shockwave though 🤔 and every other AoE stun.

[orchid sand]

Wanted something after warbringer

[prisma crane]

Z trolls for the extra crit dawg

[warm plinth]

A moment of silence for Warbringer and Reflective Plating please 😭

[prisma crane]

^

[orchid sand]

Didn't know it had dr

[undone sun]

😭

Always in our hearts

[warm plinth]

💔

[orchid sand]

U guys taught me

[sand egret]

F

[orchid sand]

How to chain stun

[lusty grotto]

F

[prisma crane]

reflective plating was so nice, just gimme that shit back

[orchid sand]

No melee to focus in group? Then focus an allies pet

[prisma crane]

or have healers stand in melee

[orchid sand]

Brilliant

[lusty grotto]

pls stop

my heart cant take it

[orchid sand]

I carry noggenfogger all time on tauren

[lusty grotto]

do you even coin of many faces or faded wizard hat man

[orchid sand]

Idc what they say. Hit box is to big

[prisma crane]

only on classic 😃

[lusty grotto]

lul

[sand egret]

ya know, there's definitely someone at Blizz who called it real early like "yo...this whole expac we're basically playing into the god-killer fantasy. Everyone is getting all of the OP shit"
and poor Ted was like "Uh....but I don't think people are going to like losing it after....."
"Shut up Ted, ya know what they say. 'It's better to have and lost, then never to have had at all'"
"But that's not how it wo--"
"SHUT IT TED, NOW GO SCALE THOSE AZERITE RESPEC COSTS"

poor Ted

[tough vault]

I think it was more like "Ted, you think they want it - but they don't."

[lusty grotto]

ted is the hero we need, but not the one we deserve

[prisma crane]

one thing i hate about classic was having to pay to change specs

[sand egret]

worst part about Ted. I've been Ted. It suuucks

[lusty grotto]

making me cry as a plate wearer krotos

[orchid sand]

The talent trees were confusing

[sand egret]

ahem

[lusty grotto]

"get fucked on repair bills bro"

[prisma crane]

they were super cookie cutter though

and yea, extra cost there was 👌

[sand egret]

pre-40

you mean Mail wearer

😃

[lusty grotto]

yes blade, yes

[sand egret]

JFC. This entire time my I'm thinking my fuckin discord is screwing up my messages. I left my fucking throttler on..

[orchid sand]

Yes some were worth wearing

Over plate

[sick sentinel]

I was ponged

[prisma crane]

you have an onion name

[sick sentinel]

yes

[prisma crane]

that is all

[lusty grotto]

oh shit

[sick sentinel]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

[tough vault]

Throttler? why?

[lusty grotto]

nobody saw that

[prisma crane]

i bet johnny did

[lusty grotto]

who?

[prisma crane]

lol

[thorny cedar]

I'm having a lot of trouble timing 10+ keys since the patch, is there any reason for that? Usually running with a disc priest

[prisma crane]

you do less dmg

if you were banking on that, that could be it

[thorny cedar]

I don't think it's my damage output, I just seem to be dying way more than I did before the patch

[prisma crane]

afaik there's nothing different for us than our output

if anything you should have better access to better gear

that said idk what changes if any hit disc

[thorny cedar]

It's really doing my head in, nothings changed outside of tol dagor mechanics wise

[junior ivy]

is there new dungeons

[tough vault]

No new dungeons since 8.0, but there is a new big mythic dungeon coming next week

[prisma crane]

mechagon

wtb that damn essence

[arctic sedge]

hows prot looking in 8.2?

[strong forum]

Great

[prisma crane]

a whole lot like pre-8.2

[tough vault]

just less AOE

[prisma crane]

and ST

[quiet crane]

Man I’ve been tossing with bear recently to and it seems a hell of a lot stronger then it did before

[prisma crane]

but then again, more uptime on avatar with essense, so it may go up

[quiet crane]

^ there is that which is good

I do miss the fat claps but

[prisma crane]

more claps

just chubby ones instead

[quiet crane]

@thorny cedar you may be taking more damage on average still due to dmg nerds because packs are generally living a lot longer then before not by much but they still are depending on your groups DPS

Prot was an absolute bully for damage in mplus all they did now was smoothen it out, but it’s still looking to be a top contender

I reckon we’ll still be top 2 easily

[strong forum]

We're still best tank

Because we take roughly 30% less dmg to other tanks

And still do top dps

[quiet crane]

I’m not so sure anymore tbh it’s feel craft at this rate

On my part

But even if it still remains top it’s definitely dropped in power gap expecially with beguiling

[prisma crane]

is that taking less dmg thing accounting for our relative lack of self heals?

[quiet crane]

But it’s still nonetheless top 2

[strong forum]

Yes

[quiet crane]

Yes essentially

[tough vault]

Bear in mind AoE was king for reaping

[strong forum]

We still push 15k overall hps

Same as every other tank

So idk fam

[tough vault]

There's other factors than just damage, too.

[quiet crane]

It’s not actual HPs

[prisma crane]

and it'll only go up once we get more rage from lucid minor too

[strong forum]

It's the same hps as monk hps

[quiet crane]

It’s shielding and dmg absorbs essentially

[strong forum]

Or pally

[undone sun]

hps doesn't equal to damage reductions

[quiet crane]

Monk is actual heals

^ there’s that to

[strong forum]

Still amounts to 16mil

It's 16mil that didn't have to be healed

So where's the difference

[quiet crane]

You’re wrong

[tough vault]

I'll be gearing my BrM alongside my prot regardless, see how raids and the essence turn out

[quiet crane]

You’re wholesomely wrong

Damage intake even during IP need to be healed

What’s keys are you doing where you cannputely sustain yourself with IP and victory rush procs without attention

Completely

[strong forum]

Nobody can do that

On any level

Nobody can self sustain

[quiet crane]

Depending on affix combos and keeps you can

Levels

[strong forum]

Anything below 15 doesn't count

[quiet crane]

But those keys are low asf and no what I consider relevant

Not

But you’re wrong if you think that 16 mil didn’t need to be healed because 13-14 of that is purely absorbs

[strong forum]

But what are you even trying to get at

[quiet crane]

That’s on a 50% damage smoother

That don’t say you didn’t need to be healed it’s less healing required but you still do

This isn’t legion pre EN

[strong forum]

Bro

What do you even want to get at

[quiet crane]

Expecially if you’re referring to 15+

[strong forum]

Ye

But what's it matter

[quiet crane]

You’re feeding false information or worded it wrong

[strong forum]

In what

We are lowest dmg taken

[quiet crane]

It’s my understanding you said that’s 16 mil that doesn’t need to be healed and that’s not the case in relative hps to other tanks

That’s what I argued

[strong forum]

Well but that's true, from absorbs and other sources I prevented or regained 16mil

[quiet crane]

We’re smoothers not healers all of that has to be healed but at a lot smaller of an intake compare to other tanks

[strong forum]

You can't argue that

Cuz that's facts

[quiet crane]

That is true yes but your other statement wasn’t

Yes and I got no qualms with that one above ^

Regained o wouldn’t say but

I

[strong forum]

Victory rush, impassive visage

It's all counted in

[quiet crane]

Prevented well it’s even more then that

[wispy plume]

Jay you are flat wrong in logic. 16mil absorb is literally 16million that didn’t have to be healed. There was obviously 16million more during that time that did need to be healed. However with no IP that would be 32million that would need to be healed.

[strong forum]

^

[quiet crane]

It’s around 14-15 mil you helped smooth with IP it doesn’t take SB in account

[strong forum]

This

Bro

Jay, I'm talking only about the healing meter

Not blocks or armor

[wispy plume]

EXCLUDING SB lol

[strong forum]

Volkhor got what I said

[quiet crane]

Disregard what I said I thought healing done

[strong forum]

I never mentioned you didn't need a healer

[quiet crane]

I was wrong, I thought you meant you healed for that

[strong forum]

Kek

No

[quiet crane]

Which is what I argued but I didn’t get it at first sorry

[strong forum]

Literally only meant details

What's displayed at the end of a dungeon

In healing done

[quiet crane]

Yeah that’s purely almost absorbs but idk why it’s even counted as healing

Because it’s not

But math peeps know math so

[strong forum]

Cuz it's retarded to create a new thingy just for absorbs

Too much

[quiet crane]

Different POV I guess but I can understand whilst it appears under healing

[strong forum]

It's just so it's not too much clutter and actually kind of makes sense cuz taking less damage through an absorb can be counted the same as a heal

[quiet crane]

Meh

[strong forum]

Cuz it's just before the fact

Not after

Literally only a matter of when it's applied

Outside of an one-shot

So technically IP could also just be heal for 50% damage taken until X

And reapply

[quiet crane]

I understand it I just personally don’t like it

[strong forum]

Eh w/e

Work with what you got

No point complaining

[quiet crane]

Just a pov man and I’m not lol only said it once

What works works

[strong forum]

I don't like how pally last defender is also counted as healingv

But it does so it inflates healing done a fuckload

Even though its just a flat DR per enemy

And neither absorb nor healing

Even druid mastery is counted in healing done

The % healing taken increase

Which is fucking weird

But yeh, I might be in a rant-y mood

So ima just peace out :^)

[junior ivy]

hi

[undone sun]

hi

[tough vault]

hi

[jagged bay]

hi

[junior ivy]

quests are so boring cant wait to be done and do fun stuff

why am i being sent to theramore

[tough vault]

just watch

[junior ivy]

i skipped and im back in bolralus now lol

[tough vault]

😂

[junior ivy]

i need to do hellfire citadel :/

to get rid of this quest

[tough vault]

sylvanas raised jaina';s brother from death

he's now a zombie boy

[junior ivy]

i gotta do a construction project in mechagon

[tough vault]

yep

[junior ivy]

and wait on a 24 hour mission..

how do i get back to nazajatar

[tough vault]

portal room in boralus

[junior ivy]

ty ydara youre so nice

how do i do the construction project

@tough vault

[tough vault]

go to mechagon and find a cogwheel on the map

minimap

[junior ivy]

ty i dont see it but thats ok 😦

[tough vault]

hang around bondo's yard and wait for the energy thing to spawn maybe?

or at the outflow there should be a rig up too, every once in a while

[junior ivy]

i duno what any of this means im overwhelmed

im gonna waNDER around

[tough vault]

check the map 😛

it's locations there

[junior ivy]

i found it

how much gold is big tall dino mount

[south yarrow]

@strong forum so is druid earthwarden and DK will of the necropolis

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[junior ivy]

help

[warm plinth]

@junior ivy Dino mount is 5 mil

[junior ivy]

5 mil wow

and the mount i got for free yesterday

was 1 mil?

[warm plinth]

What mount

[junior ivy]

goblin head

[warm plinth]

What’s it called? Never heard of that.

[junior ivy]

engineering one

[warm plinth]

Uh I don’t think so. Think the most expensive thing is the vendor item part which is 30k

[junior ivy]

THANK GOD

that actually makes me happy

iu thought this guy randomly gave me a 1 mil mount

and i felt liek i owed him

how do i do ally quests in najalahaz

[warm plinth]

The same way you do any other quest. Go to the quest, accept the quest, complete the quest.

[junior ivy]

but i cant find the ally quests

[warm plinth]

Did you pick up your ally?

[junior ivy]

no

maybe i did

[warm plinth]

In the main base there should be a shell or something that has a blue ! over it. You have to reacquire your ally each day.

[junior ivy]

i dunno what it is

ok

i dont like dailies

[warm plinth]

You click the shell and it lets you choose. Best thing to do is pick the same one for a while.

Because one of our essences requires you to level a bodyguard up a decent way

Think rank 2 is at level 10

[junior ivy]

yeh i am kinda confused by all this najazatar stuff

with the dailies

[warm plinth]

The bodyguard ones are on the map as a blue ! With a. Circle around it

Once you have the bodyguard with you

[junior ivy]

can i kill king rastakan by myself?

in daza alor

?

[warm plinth]

No. It’s only like half a tier old

Not even really. People are still progging that raid

[junior ivy]

oh okay

how do i iupgrade my flgiht whistle

how t he heck do i do these bouncy jelly fishes

[astral crystal]

jump on the small bois

aim your jump

then jump on the big bois

[junior ivy]

i did it

[warm plinth]

🎉

[junior ivy]

what are all these sanguicells

i forget

do i need so many?\

[undone sun]

crafting i think

[novel temple]

so im in a heroic bod pug

and this dude is stacking vers

with dragon roar, never surrender, devastator, and ravager

how do you all feel

[undone sun]

terrible

[quiet crane]

^

No words other then that

[livid totem]

Good indication that he's not well informed about how to tank with war ?

Otherwise, I'm pretty sure you could do BoD with the worst talents.

[novel temple]

he says he's doing it* for m+

im just flabberghasted

[warm plinth]

Honestly just link him this discord and tell him he’s got some learning to do lol

[junior ivy]

@prisma crane

look how close our achvs are

OK SOMETHING HUGE HAS HAPPENED

I SEE A GUY ONA FROG MOUNT

[warm plinth]

333k

[shut summit]

https://www.wowhead.com/npc=148810/gottum

[junior ivy]

it costs 333k?

[shut summit]

3 frogs, each 333k

[junior ivy]

i need one more than anything

im in a raid finder

for king rasta

i have no raid frames.

[undone sun]

pfft not important

[junior ivy]

can you one tank him?

oof i gotta fix my dbm bars

[sick sentinel]

U could literally stand there press SS and taunt only and not lose aggro in lfr

The only way ud lose aggro is to the other tank

[junior ivy]

i died

what do i do next?

am i caught up yet?

[lethal plaza]

did Diamond trinket get buffed? feel like the absorb amount is more than it used to be

[lusty grotto]

All current trinkets got a slight buff yes

A week ago

[junior ivy]

nimchip. am i caught up yet

[lusty grotto]

I don't know?

Seems you have quests in tiragarde

[lethal plaza]

seems like a huge buff, but i don't remember the previous numbers. Nice anyways.

[lusty grotto]

Yup

[lusty grotto]

At least for the time being

[junior ivy]

only this horse one

[lusty grotto]

Idk did you unlock the 2 zones

[junior ivy]

ya

i have WQs in both

[lusty grotto]

Cause if you did and did all the quests in there, I guess you caught up

[junior ivy]

hm

this feels underwhelming

i didnt get an achievement

[warm plinth]

@junior ivy explore mechagon. Not all the daily quests are on the map. Some are hidden.

[junior ivy]

i havent ben doign dailies

been

i hate dailiues

[prisma crane]

@junior ivy guild doesnt show true count

i have 21,840

i think its only character specific ones

[junior ivy]

my true count is 20440

you still got me beat 😦

[prisma crane]

i got bored in WoD

im pretty far behind where ic ould be by now

[junior ivy]

so i think im mostly caught up

i need to wait on a table mission thing

tomorrow night

and i just gotta get rep for flying

WONDERWING 2.0

WHAT IS IT

[prisma crane]

no clue lol

oh

the robot parrot mount

[willow scarab]

Wonderwing is the reward for Battle for Azeroth Pathfinder part 2

[junior ivy]

ty fumeiyo

i want it

[willow scarab]

Does anyone know how the API works for worldvein resonance ?

[junior ivy]

look at this little fella i found

isnt he cute

[undone sun]

lol

[junior ivy]

you love him thyme i know you do

[willow scarab]

All I see is sporepods

[junior ivy]

is sporepods good

[undone sun]

trash

[junior ivy]

😦

poor little guy

im triyng to get his attention but hes afk

[warm plinth]

Maybe he's just ignoring you? :p

[junior ivy]

pft why would he do that

[undone sun]

lol

jesus

[warm plinth]

That sounds about right

[prisma crane]

#harassment

lmao

[warm plinth]

#spam

#b&

[undone sun]

🤣

[junior ivy]

hes just so cute

[warm plinth]

Can we talk about the adorable rotation pages on IV for classic? XD

Like this is the mage DPS rotation 😂 😂 😂

[undone sun]

looks so fun /s

[prisma crane]

but hey, classic was way harder than live

[warm plinth]

I think people confuse harder with slower

[prisma crane]

and using kill times of non-tuned bosses as a metric

[junior ivy]

i'm serious about ranking gnomes by cuteness

[orchid token]

using the word "maximize" to make the rotation sound fancier

when really it just means "one of you is scorch bitch"

[warm plinth]

lmao

Jesus, shield wall had a fuckin 30 min CD in vanilla? O_O

[orchid token]

by the time you run back and buff up after a wipe thats still almost once per pull

tanks had essentially no active gameplay in vanilla from a survivability standpoint

[warm plinth]

I didn't play war til Legion and I've never been happier

[orchid token]

up until about Wrath everything a tank did during combat was trivial

all the effort was done outside the raid in gearing properly

[warm plinth]

Yeah I do know that much. Just never noticed how bleh warrior was in vanilla. I played a feral druid (tank) in vanilla up until MoP

[orchid token]

i think warrior was pretty active from a gcd perspective

[warm plinth]

prot warrior I should say

[orchid token]

prot paladin in TBC was hilarious

i think you used maybe 50% of possible gcds

with absolutely nothing to fill it with even if you wanted to

[warm plinth]

🙃

[outer dew]

ghash

[warm plinth]

Tofu

[prisma crane]

Illidan had an AM check

[junior ivy]

HE WENT OFFLINE

😡

[inland mesa]

Race changing out of gnome

[junior ivy]

why.

he would never

i love him

[inland mesa]

You intimidated him

[junior ivy]

i showered him with love

[inland mesa]

He was like wow catfriend is more gnome than I could ever be time to be light forged draeni

[lethal plaza]

any benthic gear that's op?

[junior ivy]

IM SUCH A CREEPY STALKER

i tracked him down

his warlock is ALSO a gnome

i am hoping all his toons are gnomes

[inland mesa]

Lol how

[junior ivy]

i msged people in his guild

but seriuously

look h ow cute he was

anyway.

[undone sun]

🤣

[junior ivy]

@hard glen he's in here now.

that's him i think 😄

[hard glen]

Why you shitting on spores

[junior ivy]

YEAH @willow scarab

[willow scarab]

It's a shit trinket

Everything about it is shit

You'd be better off disenchanting it and having no trinket

[junior ivy]

be nice to my gnome buddy

[quiet crane]

Jesus catfriend got FBI skills

Isn’t that what they call it in trump land

[junior ivy]

i'll have you know

i'm not american

[quiet crane]

Rip what are you then

[junior ivy]

canadian

[quiet crane]

You guys are passive never hear anything about yas

[undone sun]

🇨🇦

[quiet crane]

Except that you’re the fake version of aussies 😂😂😂😂

[undone sun]

what

[quiet crane]

Only thing I’ve ever heard

About Canadians

[junior ivy]

we are not fake aussies

maybe aussies are fake canadians 😡

[quiet crane]

Maybe indeed

I’d like to visit there sometime you have my favourite animals

[junior ivy]

which animal?

[quiet crane]

Wolves

And yes I’m interested in seeing the wild ones not the domesticated zoo ones

Yes I know they’re dangerous to

You got shitty cranky dingos here about it

Just ping me if you’re chatting back I’m reading drama in another discoed

[junior ivy]

my old guild got mythic jaina today

i feel attacked ^

[vocal flame]

is it worth losing a second brace for impact for an 10 item level jump on shoulders?

iull get iron fortress instead

[willow scarab]

nerf on all of the gems btw

+50 not +60 now

[vocal flame]

two bace for impacts realy worth it?

[willow scarab]

no

take the higher ilvl item

IF is fine

[vocal flame]

awesome thank you!

[primal crypt]

IF is amazing

[junior ivy]

i wish fumeiyos pic was one of these .

[vocal flame]

never really used IF mainly had def crash and two braces for the entire expansion

[undone sun]

i prefer if over bfi anyways ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[junior ivy]

prefer what over bfa

[undone sun]

Iron fortress

IF

[junior ivy]

ohh

[undone sun]

also miss typed bfa instead of bfi

🙃

[primal crypt]

[willow scarab]

I prefer BFI to IF

but the higher lvl azerite is the key factor here

Both BFI and IF are defensive and therefore boring as well

[charred hollow]

what essence should i be running rn

[merry cave]

Try them out/Sim them

[warm plinth]

Are the essences even included properly in the prot APL yet?

[merry cave]

No clue tbh, just been trying them out in raids/dungeons to find what I enjoy

[undone sun]

That's a @ionic fern question

[warm plinth]

Just saying it's not a great idea to sim them if we don't know they're even included.

[prisma crane]

when do we get shield kick? https://v.redd.it/rgt40vilqv731/DASH_720?source=fallback

im open to new ideas for the name

[warm plinth]

Thanks sweet<3 @ionic fern

[outer dew]

Gos

I normally dont buy hotdogs

But every July 4th

I get irrational americanness

Where I need hotdogs, beer, and burgers

With some shitty potato salad

[exotic spoke]

Hrmm

Just got a 425 trinket

Wind up Pylon

[warm plinth]

@outer dew Hot dogs are the shit if you get the good ones. All beef and shit.

[outer dew]

No o

I know

I like the ones at a local butcher

I just crave

[prisma crane]

no one likes my shield kick idea 😢

[outer dew]

The shitty ones

Need shield throw

Roleplay as paladin

Hmm

I separate hotdogs and sausages

[warm plinth]

@prisma crane In the MMO I played before WoW, warriors had Kick/Stomp and they looked just like that (except in the side not the head). Just a damage spell though.

[prisma crane]

yea, i just thought it was hilarious

dude just goes on to stomp his ass after

[thin mica]

does sphere of suppression work on bosses? or is this just for trash pulls in m+

[ancient ore]

should i switch my pocket-sized computation device fora 400 jes howler

[undone sun]

@thin mica the haste/speed does, yes

[thin mica]

cheers bud

[novel temple]

i played a warrior since BC but shield block was sort of active mitigation. if you count spamming a low CD shield block that made you crit immune active mitigation

oh darn, thats been hours ago

[timid jay]

Just get defense capped smh

[marble cipher]

I've seen "intercept powdershot" mentioned a couple of times on here, and I assume it's a skill I should try to master as prot warr.
But, I'm not entirely sure how to do it.
It's for the council boss in Freehold right?
If so, is it the ability where Eudora (?) jumps away and shoots a couple of time in a cone?

[undone sun]

Eudora fires a heavy powder shot at a random enemy, inflicting 60118 Physical damage. random targeted player

using a targetoftarget intercept macro can help intercept and block the ability from others

[marble cipher]

k, ToT macro makes sense, I was already wondering how you can be quick enough to intercept it

[autumn pendant]

Years of playing starcraft

🤷

[modest wedge]

i intercept it manually. like most things. they are pretty straightforward

[strong forum]

Ye you have like 2sec, that should be fine

[bronze terrace]

does it take time to get used to tanking cause idk if i should stick to tanking ive allways switched cause it felt like i was so bad at it but i rly like it alot to tank

[strong forum]

I swapped to tanking in legion cuz I knew it could do it better than others and got sick of slow tanks

Idk if it takes time to get used to it, if you like it then continue doing so. What makes you think you're bad at it?

[bronze terrace]

well at some points im having a hard time to tank like idk id i should u r ignore pain over shield block or shield block over ignore pain

i mean i enjoy it but i think i would enjoy it more if iwould be better

[strong forum]

You only use ignore pain over SB for attacks you cannot block, magic or dots

Otherwise SB is always over IP, since IP is only dmg smoother

SB is your main midigation tool

The icy-veins guide is a good place to start if you didn't read it yet

Explains pretty much everything to get going and an understanding on what you're supposed to do

[modest wedge]

"sick of slow tanks" 100 times this

[strong forum]

Literally the reason why I started

Well and I just love being a literal raidboss

[bronze terrace]

Xd thats also something im not rly the person who likes to command ppl around

[brisk ferry]

morning everyone

[strong forum]

Well serux me neither, but if I have to do it ima do it.

You have to literally babysit your dps so they don't do retarded shit

And keep reminding them of the most lenial stuff

[bronze terrace]

hmm kk ima give it a try

[orchid token]

tbh i will happily wipe a raid or kill a key rather than meticulously parcel out interrupts and CC assignments one by one to DPS

its not that hard for a DPS to say "i got next kick on X"

i should not have to be the only one in the group who knows what mobs do.

[novel temple]

@timid jay my bad, i meant crushing blows, which you needed shield block up all the time while tanking the boss

[orchid token]

not gonna exhaust myself marking up 3 or 4 different mobs for kicks and stuns every single pull while the DPS just happily do their rotation and follow orders

[strong forum]

Well... But that's what you have to do

On actual keys / raids

[orchid token]

like I said

I'd rather deplete a key than do it

I play with DPS who don't need their hands held

or I don't play at all

[strong forum]

Gl, that's literally 99,9% of every dps ever

And even mdi its called

Or any high key ever

[orchid token]

promise you one person is not assigning every kick on MDI teams

[strong forum]

You need a shotcaller

Yes

They do

[orchid token]

idk, watch any high key on stream with voice and the DPS are constantly speaking up about kicks

"i got next heal"

"stunning next maggot"

etc

[marble cipher]

Run with a fixed group of good players? Have fun and enjoy a smooth ride.
Want a smooth(er) run with pugs? Call shots.

And obviously, it's not always appreciated in pugs 🤣

[potent anvil]

I just have the auto marker weakaura and call every cc/kick needed. Most of the time anyway. Some days I dont feel like calling anything. But I like knowing whats available and calling it for myself. I think its personal preference. Not every tank wants to be the shotcaller. Just watch Drjay. Most of the time he's calling everything.

[timid jay]

@novel temple gotta push those crushings out of the hit table :+1:

They are still ingame btw

Just in the changed wotlk state, so mobs need to be 4 levels higher to get a crushing blow on you

[frigid heart]

Is the benthic that reduces frost/shadow dmg taken worth it for progress in EP?

[brittle owl]

if the whole raid takes it, maybe

so 99% of the cases, it isn't worth

[strong forum]

Well I would prefer to have someone else make the calls in m+ cuz I tend to space out myself, but 99/100 times nobody does so.. Yeh

For dps it's like 300 times easier to call stuff than as a tank

[junior ivy]

@timid jay

[timid jay]

@junior ivy

[junior ivy]

im keybinding

[timid jay]

Nice

[sick sentinel]

i was doing some questing with the goggles equipped and it turns out you can proc bomb with throw and the bombs will land at the mobs

[dim token]

was m+ stealth buffed along with 8.2? the m+ dudes in my guild are saying its buffed but i cant find any official announcement

[warm plinth]

No. It will be buffed in Season 3. The Font of Power displays what the new numbers will be currently but that scaling is not in game yet.

[sick sentinel]

i was attacking a quest mob too and the bombs did 8.8% of dmg, so it seems okay to me.

[warm plinth]

There were mob changes and force count changes that went live in 8.2 but none that should make the dungeons in general more difficult.

[dim token]

oh

[loud citrus]

Hey guys, what's the optimal key we'd do this week, to get the most out of the chest next week? 10 or should it be higher?

[dim token]

so the keystone pillar is actually displaying the wrong numbers?

[warm plinth]

Yes it is

[brittle owl]

except alun'za , i think the changes to that boss went live as well(didn't do AD tho)

so technicallly that is "more difficult"

[warm plinth]

Yeah they did. She actually requires some healing now.

[brittle owl]

also first boss in underrot is a complete joke now

[warm plinth]

Still an easy boss though tbh

[brittle owl]

the "buff" to the bloodbolt is completely overshadowed by the fact that the scaling was fixed

she does like 1/2 of the damage she used to do

[warm plinth]

Yeah we did a 16 UR and it was super easy.

[brittle owl]

this week t last?

or*

i did a 15 last week

[dim token]

the AD dinosaur bleed felt super painful so it made me wonder ;/

[brittle owl]

ate some in the face on my dh, legit didnt feel them

[warm plinth]

Last week

This week might be slightly worse ofc with Tyr

Rezan bleed is always super painful

[brittle owl]

still,1 shot territory is well above 20 tyr now i think

[warm plinth]

Which is fine with me!

[brittle owl]

iunno what to make of it

[dim token]

TD timer is pretty tough with the changes

[brittle owl]

underrot was a super nice dungeon to pug, since if the group sucked you disbanded at first boss and didnt waste too much time 😂

[warm plinth]

Lol

Now you get to wait for Sporecaller

[brittle owl]

never had issues with sporecaller

if you could do the first 2 bosses

then gucci

[warm plinth]

Well I guess the crawg sucks on tyr week. Tantrum hurts

[brittle owl]

ya, healer 'check'

but also group check to see if they stomp the worms

[warm plinth]

Mmhm.

[brittle owl]

though i am biased on sporecaller since i main paladin👀

eliminates any chance of failure with pugs

[warm plinth]

If you have anyone that can clear in an emergency then he’s cake

[brittle owl]

ya

[dim token]

underrot with grievous = gg

[warm plinth]

First week of Mythic EP is gonna be bolster/grievous/tyr 🙃

[brittle owl]

yeet

[dim token]

im not doing kr and ur that week ;p

[warm plinth]

Griev/Tyr just blows

Some bosses get so much harder

[dim token]

golden serpent and underrot last boss are crazy with grievous

[warm plinth]

Yeah ugh

[brittle owl]

golden serpent got nerfed as well

the dot is waaay more manageable

[warm plinth]

Yeah spit gold got what, cut in half or something?

[dim token]

really? good to know

[brittle owl]

33%

[dim token]

thats enough

[brittle owl]

yeah

[warm plinth]

Yeah that’ll make it way better

[brittle owl]

that will make it so the check isn't gonna be "do you have a prot warr to intervene on cd cuz this is the only real limiter in kr"

makes healers feel less useless

or like "make your prot paladin take RP for the offhealing"

[dim token]

i tried healing a 21 kr last time it was grievous+tyr, i feel like its close to impossible for disc

[brittle owl]

disc has a hard time with griev, yeah

in general

[sick sentinel]

don't do WM on grevious weeks without a bomb healer

it's a clown fiesta

[sweet kettle]

What if we love clown fiestas?

[strong forum]

Imagine being a disc on 21 kr tyr.

Yikes

That's hardly possible for the top people

Let alone a disc

[warm plinth]

In S2 there was a 22 tyr KR completed in time with a disc priest healer 😮

Actually like over 10 22s in time on tyr KR by disc. No holy priests yet. D:

[sweet summit]

i got my first rank 1 parse yesterday even tho it might not be that competetive right now, im still happy

[strong forum]

Pog

[willow scarab]

What was it? grats

[sweet summit]

uunat, hc tho :p

[strong forum]

Unluck

[sweet summit]

at least its something

[willow scarab]

nice man

A rank 1 is a rank 1

[strong forum]

yup

[silk portal]

Hey y'all. I'm looking to try out Prot Warrior as one of my alts this coming season for m+, which traits do I want to stack if any?

[rapid jewel]

3x BoM + 1 TC,

[silk portal]

So, 3 Bastion of Might and 1 Deafening Crash minimum?

[rapid jewel]

no just one defening crash, bad trait after the first.

[silk portal]

That's what I said¨

[warm plinth]

It's not a bad trait after the first. It just doesn't provide any defensive benefit after the first.

[junior ivy]

hi

[hasty nova]

a lot of ppl stack deafening crash

[junior ivy]

i think i stacked deafening crash

[rapid jewel]

yeah was nice during avatar it gave you over 3k dmg on every TC, with the nerf it just isn't that strong anymore

[warm plinth]

The nerf to what? Deafening Crash wasn't nerfed and Thunder Clap (during UF) was. That would make the trait stronger, not weaker, since it's based on the azerite piece's item level, not how much damage Thunder Clap does.

[hasty nova]

not only that but,

it also is a dmg increase

vs defensives increase

[rapid jewel]

yeah but avatar was, you dont get the 100% bonus on DC anymore, just 30% durind avatar

[warm plinth]

Right, but that would make the trait stronger relatively, because overall Thunder Clap does less damage.

While Deafening Crash's bonus remains unchanged (meaning it provides a larger % increase per trait than it used to)

[rapid jewel]

would you trade DC for BoM? DC + BoM are rare

[oblique garnet]

What

[warm plinth]

Yeah, absolutely would. But BoM being better doesn't mean DC is bad.

[hasty nova]

oh i have bom and dc on two pieces of gear one is outer ring and other 2nd ring

so i take both on both pieces

[sick cypress]

is tank war still the best in mythic+ ?

[rapid jewel]

no one knows yet, druids with there buff + the new trinket could become broken. Dmg wise we should still be top.

[analog swift]

Everyone is talking about pally to replace us and tbh I just don’t see it.

They have bubble to cheese mechanics but I’m not really sure how many mechanics need to be cheesed.

More kicks is nice but those are rarely an issue unless double ranged becomes exceptionally good.

But their visions isn’t really going to be that good because if you don’t have grant crusader procs during that five seconds it’s just judgment and hammers whereas prot should get at least two claps in if you aren’t booty. Lucid minor is gunna be great whereas pally it’s just one sotr every minute or something.

Spell reflect is still fucking broken and intercept is so useful.

I see them becoming closer but I don’t really see them toppling warriors.

[junior ivy]

hi

[spice ferry]

A lot of things need to become better for warrior to not be #1

[junior ivy]

i cant believe we are good tanks for m+ right now

[spice ferry]

Why? Block op

[junior ivy]

we sucked when i quit

[umbral forge]

2 weeks till mythic opens
our main tank is neck level 43

already hit 55

[spice ferry]

Wtf

Bench his ass

[umbral forge]

let's just grind azerite on my warrior. For no particular reason

[junior ivy]

MY NECK IS 44

and i havent played since octrober

[spice ferry]

43 is not playing the game at all

[junior ivy]

^^

[spice ferry]

Lol yeh there you go

[umbral forge]

I have

6 characters

at 50+

what the fuck is he doing

[spice ferry]

Yeh I had 5 I think

Before 8.2

[junior ivy]

i did raid finder last night and realzied i have no raid frames

i dunno if i should even care right now

[light quartz]

So guys anyone with Rank3 sphere of suppression?

[strong forum]

Imagine calling this an MT that's 43 neck, who is he, sco?

Even our worst of the worst players that LITERALLY ONLY RAIDLOG, just hit 50 in our guild

[umbral forge]

In his defence

Our old raid tank quit the guild and we kinda went

[sick sentinel]

I am playing with blizzard raidframes

[umbral forge]

"Hey you're Tank now. On your Monk alt"

against his defence

THIS WAS A MONTH AGO

[sick sentinel]

With the right settings

You don't need an addon for them

Unless you are a healer

[strong forum]

Jet, we had people who freshly leveled from 1-120 because they couldn't afford the race + server change

And are 54 already

That started 1 week ago

[umbral forge]

Nom, I rerolled DK a month ago and am 55 now

[strong forum]

Fucking nolifing cuck

[umbral forge]

it's piss easy

[strong forum]

It is

I'm about to hit 54 today cuz I hate the patch so far cba grinding

[umbral forge]

I love it

[strong forum]

Gonna get 55 on weekend and then just chill

[umbral forge]

I have Mecha-done soon

[warm plinth]

I'm only 51 so

😄

[strong forum]

I just hit honored yesterday on mecha

I absolutely hate the chores

Can't wait to be done with it in 2 weeks or so to never touch those quests and just do emissaries and m+ again

[eager tartan]

I hate literally everything, just hope new dungeon and raid are decent

[strong forum]

I want gear, not rep

Ye same here

[eager tartan]

So far I know the afflix is cancerous af, thus I know I'm going to ignore mythic plus this season

[glad dew]

you think theyll cap m+ at 6 again when raid opens?

[primal sable]

Yes

[rapid jewel]

ah, new affix just need some time to get used to. Pugging might be a pain in the ass.

[glad dew]

undulating tides looking good for prot?

[sick sentinel]

Not really

[glad dew]

mostly for dps then?

[sick sentinel]

Because while the shield recharges it doesn't do damage

It's a dps trait

[umbral forge]

Can I get a rundown on what benthic gear is good for prot warriors?

[rapid jewel]

defense of offense?

[umbral forge]

Offense

Shield Block & Last Stand is our Defense

[rapid jewel]

waist, bracers, 1 out of the 4 boots,1 out of the 5 hands.

[umbral forge]

Crit boots?

[rapid jewel]

yes, but would try to target waist and bracers with socket first

[oblique garnet]

Wouldnt use them over mythic gear

[umbral forge]

ah

they're garbo then

or not garbo but

not something to focus on for an alt

[rapid jewel]

yeah if you go myth, drop this shitty benthic gear, its for alts

[umbral forge]

I'm mythic raider so 🤷

[oblique garnet]

they are good on dps

[rapid jewel]

yeah but dps doesn't really value stam and armor like we do

[umbral forge]

that's fair

I forgot that

too long time spent on my hunter and DK

[calm river]

Where is the best place to learn how to tank mythic +'s

Like routes needed to take and such

[rapid jewel]

routes will change a lot with new affixes, method dungeon tool is a good place to start

[calm river]

Well what seperates the big boys from weinie hut jr's

[umbral forge]

Experience

[stone cloud]

I dunno the aberration dmg peices could be dps + year ver mythic gear on the two bosses also.. lightee was saying something about the dmg or threat proc on the belt did something on ashara

@glad dew I’ve found the tides proc roughly does about 5-9% overall dmg in a 17FH (did 26.7K overall)

The piece its on happens to be a very good one too with bastion and OP

[glad dew]

@stone cloud so it might have potential in m+ but not so much raid

[stone cloud]

Depends

[glad dew]

the helm i have has undulating, bastion, and op with resounding

[stone cloud]

Ya I got mine to 420 last night

So it did 5-9% as a 400 piece

[strong forum]

btw we had conversation about intervene neeeding minimum range friendlies, and someone didnt believe me you didnt need any range

like a couple weeks back or smth

just remembered

[stone cloud]

rip maggots in wcm give bursting again 😦

Do lucid procs affect Am at all?? Like if I IP does a lucid proc with am only give me reduction as if I spent 20 or still 40 rage?

[twin hazel]

Do you have to grind the 6k experience achievement on each toon or is it account wide

for rank 3 essence in nazjatar

[strong forum]

Trik, you spend the rage

then you get a refund

so it fully accounts for AM @stone cloud

[junior ivy]

who does thius gtive rep for

give

[versed blade]

7th legion or horde equivalent rep @junior ivy

[junior ivy]

ah okay ty

[versed blade]

Np

[winter aspen]

is the avatar talent still bis ?

[junior ivy]

im using it

but that doesnt mean much

[winter aspen]

the clap dmg gone from 20k+ to like 11k rip

[junior ivy]

where is najazatar , i know where the portal to it is

but where IS it

[twin hazel]

the ocean

basically near the maelstrom

should technically be under the maelstrom from lore

[junior ivy]

oh okay

[strong forum]

@winter aspen the clap damage went from 35-40k to 20-25k what do you mean, its still beyond superior to everything else

[winter aspen]

mean on the tooltip

[strong forum]

🤷

what do you want, 20k claps for 20sec every 40seconds or 1 50k hit every 35 seconds :^)

[winter aspen]

so dragon roar still dookie then ? :I

[strong forum]

i mean... did i not answer your question

[tacit solstice]

Only issue is no other tanks have that crazy aoe. Warrior still strong in m+

[strong forum]

should be pretty clear that 1 50k hit is disgustingly bad

[oblique garnet]

Wdym no other tank has crazy aoe?

Guardian is good

[strong forum]

vdh has good dmg aswell

so does pally

[winter aspen]

war no longer special

[tacit solstice]

Pally aoe?

[strong forum]

yes

[oblique garnet]

guardian has always been good

just sleeper

[winter aspen]

only reflect remains

[strong forum]

and block

:^)

if you think pally has no aoe dmg you are very much mistaken

[oblique garnet]

pally aoe is less than guardians

[strong forum]

so is vdh

but its still respectable dmg

[twin hazel]

isnt pally more of a ST dpseer

[strong forum]

still does respectable aoe dps

[tight zephyr]

Is there any shank cap for PROT?

[strong forum]

especially with lucid

theres no cap in any way shape or form ricardo

on anything

[tight zephyr]

ty bro

😃

[timber nest]

is it ever worth losing 5 ilevel for a socket? only asking cuz crafted belt...

[strong forum]

yes

[warm plinth]

Add str+stam+secondary1+secondary2 on both items. Subtract. If the total is >50, use higher item. If it's less than 50, use the socket.

[strong forum]

sockets on gear is 5ilvl

on rings its like 25ilvl

at this point

[sick sentinel]

stamina is worth something aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[warm plinth]

Yeah with new sockets it's probably like 27ish, so 25 realistically

[strong forum]

fuck stam

[warm plinth]

But meh, I doubt I'd ever actually drop that much tbh

Not on a tank anyway

[strong forum]

i wont use a 440+ ring without haste or a socket over my 415 haste + socket ring

[warm plinth]

I can see that. But if the 440 had haste I'd easily make the switch

[strong forum]

then yes

but if its not a haste ring

yeet the fuck outta here

[warm plinth]

😂

[twin hazel]

love haste in bfa its so much easier to get it seems

warrior has 40% i believe with the talent

5 stacks

[strong forum]

50%

:^)

[twin hazel]

yah its insane

could never get that lucky in legion

[strong forum]

*required

[warm plinth]

Think I might faction change my dorf to zanda :/

[twin hazel]

Welcome to the best side where all content revolves around us

[warm plinth]

I'm already playing mostly horde anyway on my DH. Leveling a zanda pally but don't really wanna level another toon (but I want a warrior on horde)

[junior ivy]

hi

ttyin find cone shells omg i jhate this plkace

nazajatar, cone shells

this quest sucks

[warm plinth]

Idk. Since they nerfed the quests and marked them on the map, it's much easier

[junior ivy]

IS NOT ON MY MAP

do you mean big map or little map

[mental scarab]

world map

[warm plinth]

Well, should be both but you won't see it on the minimap as well

[junior ivy]

do i need to keep this?

also i forget if i need to keep like 1000 sanguicells?

[sick sentinel]

you can make food and feasts with saguicells

well, old food and feasts now :C

and you should put the abyssal fragments on the AH

[junior ivy]

i destroyed some things and vendored some things

my bags kept being full

arent i suppoosed to fun faster when i land from heroic leap?

[warm plinth]

Only if you're using Bounding Stride

[oblique garnet]

Cat are you sure you have played in bfa? 8)

[junior ivy]

i love these uncrossing the ley lines quests

[kind tinsel]

Is the Mechagon trinket simming properly yet?

[fickle geode]

are there some op pieces I should upgrade as a tank for raid, or do they not matter as much

[oblique garnet]

Benthic gear?

[fickle geode]

ya that

[oblique garnet]

Not really