PROTECTION CHANNEL EVERYONE
#protection
sick sentinel
junior ivy
tough vault
Don’t bees make sure the plants have sex? Kind of essential.
warm plinth
Those aren't even that big
junior ivy
theyre horrifiyng
warm plinth
Those are small June bugs
sick sentinel
It's just bigger cockraches
warm plinth
Not really
junior ivy
ive only seen pics of them
warm plinth
I have only seen one because I had a house infested with them in base housing in Texas
sick sentinel
Hey guess what, they are the rats of the insect world
If u see one good fucking luck
tough vault
Can I ask though why is it always the #protection channel that derails like this 😂
sick sentinel
Because we have fucking nothing better to do but become pseudo off topic
warm plinth
I suggested to Marok that we need a prot off-topic channel. Because I like the people here, not the randoms in off-topic
warm plinth
How should I know o_O
junior ivy
one of them is
warm plinth
We can make Sal less unhappy
sick sentinel
Why?
warm plinth
Nothing in the alternate universe?
tough vault
Warmode on or off?
junior ivy
warmode always gotta be off
lusty grotto
red is dead
tough vault
I reckon if you’re horde wm off gives more rares. Alliance the opposite.
austere oar
didn't they say they don't mind off topic as long as question are answered ?
or was that another tank disc
lusty grotto
eh
sick sentinel
Chances are, it was anotjer
lusty grotto
when catfriend is involved
austere oar
probably BrM disc
sick sentinel
In reality most question are answered by reading the guides
But can u guess how many people do that?
tough vault
❤️
junior ivy
but nimchip
im playing wow now
so that might change
ill actually have wow things to talk about
lusty grotto
yeah like, WM on or you're dead to me
tough vault
WM on on my realm is heaven lol
sick sentinel
I only have WM off because mothefuckers have it off AND IM TRYING TO FUCKING SUMMON YOU
tough vault
Let the plebs walk
sick sentinel
TURN IT ON U FUCKING COWARDS
exotic spoke
@lusty grotto May we have a prot off if we ever meet each other
That said I’ve had to be a little bitch and turn it off in naz / mechagon because I love being out numbered 4-1 (or at least 2-1) and have my quest givers camped
sick sentinel
It's so fucking annoying
junior ivy
WARMODE ALWAYS OFF
lusty grotto
i just afk inside the dungeon
warm plinth
I have thought about turning WM on on Nazjatar just to see if it makes questing easier (less people)
lusty grotto
"Oh you guys have WM Off? pshaw, time to run then"
warm plinth
But I have no interest in PvP and horde doesn't give enough of a bonus to be worth it most of the time.
lusty grotto
i literally haven't turned WM off ever on chip
junior ivy
pvp is no fun.
tough vault
20% xp and rep buff right. Worth
undone sun
but it's not worth it
sick sentinel
And the worst part is, if I logg off with WM off and come back and que to do anything, woops my WM is off and I'm not near the city to turn on
exotic spoke
We had a group up, 5 of us, found another group and started fighting. Then two more groups show up and now it’s 15 v 5..... not real fun for us
tough vault
Dalaran HS and go to capital? Ez
lusty grotto
hol up
sick sentinel
The dungeon I qued up for is the same one I just did
warm plinth
If it was 20, I'd have it on
tough vault
Yeah but alliance gets 20 yeeeet
lusty grotto
i was camping the big naga boss here, and alliance just kept signing up lmao
sick sentinel
It's just annoying
warm plinth
Yeah I always have it on on alliance side
sick sentinel
Turn WM on you fucks
exotic spoke
Because no one else is using it ydara
undone sun
definitely not
lusty grotto
red is dead is worth it
exotic spoke
I had it on 100% until mechagon and naz
tough vault
Yeah and my realm is pvp linked to 3 other 90% alliance realms so I aint complaining
exotic spoke
When I couldn’t fucking get to my main town
warm plinth
I can wait an extra couple of days on rep if it means I don't have to worry about people ganking me every 5 seconds
exotic spoke
On multiple shards
lusty grotto
how the hell are you guys even getting Ripple in Space
warm plinth
I don't even know what that is
lusty grotto
jesus christ
sick sentinel
^
lusty grotto
🤦
tough vault
Working on fighting on 2 fronts. Just need naz kills and. Pvp chest from mecha
exotic spoke
I’ll wait til it’s balanced out.
Try being on the opposite side nim
lusty grotto
you need to kill 25 opposing members with... drumroll wm on
exotic spoke
Oh I know
lusty grotto
that's just alliance being retarded
2 days in, they were happy
after that they all turned it off
youre part of the problem riki
exotic spoke
But it’s kinda hard to kill 25 players when you’re consistently out numbered 2-4:1
lusty grotto
cause now we don't get any rewards for the pvp event
sick sentinel
That's an amazing problem to have
tough vault
Lfg is a thing.
sick sentinel
I have the problem that NOBODY FUCKING TURNS IT ON
exotic spoke
No it’s not cerebella
exotic spoke
I can’t get shit done in those zones with warmode
tough vault
I joined 2 different groups and hunted horde with my jetpack. Good fun
lusty grotto
tell the rest of alliance to stop being wussies
warm plinth
Both factions do the same shit so
exotic spoke
Literally can’t get shit done. If the rest of the people I’m grouping with turn warmode off - guess what it’s going off
tough vault
Knocked out the quest ez
lusty grotto
cause they can LFG raids to camp flight paths, but they can't do a simple pvp event lmao
sick sentinel
Funny enough ive had the same issue when on my Hunter(who's Alli)
Like ghash said, both sides do this shit
willow scarab
Why do people get so weird about horde vs alliance and callign eachtoher pussies/scum/etc/etc
exotic spoke
I’m not saying both sides don’t.
willow scarab
both factions play literally the exact same
sick sentinel
It's fucking wack-a-mole but it's taking 3 daya
tough vault
Pvp sharding and balance is fucked beyond imagination tho lol
lusty grotto
idk man, its been 3 days and i hadn't seen alliance until to day
willow scarab
US is like 80% horde
exotic spoke
^^
willow scarab
So no surprise
lusty grotto
https://realmpop.com/us.html are you sure?
sick sentinel
TURN UR FUCKING WM ON
tough vault
Both sides suck. N’zoth for warchief
exotic spoke
But when it literally prevents me from questing I will turn it off
lusty grotto
are you sure its more horde?
lusty grotto
im calling people that don't turn wm on pussies
lusty grotto
not specifically alliance
tough vault
@willow scarab you’re not wrong. Idk if realmpop takes into account alts and dead accounts
willow scarab
So weird to look at sites like that and see healthy alliance/horde balance
I've only ever played on 95/5 servers
exotic spoke
What would you have me do when I literally can’t turn shit in? I have time constraints and there’s lots of shit to do
lusty grotto
these are lvl 120 accounts only
willow scarab
Here is how I know the site is wrong
It says my server has 340k alliance 93k horde
sick sentinel
Well there are certain severs that everyone knows is just get fucked X faction, because the other one is dominant
willow scarab
We have 340k alliance and 3 horde
You can go an entire month without seeing a horde from Frostmourne
tough vault
3 of your alts?
exotic spoke
No way my server has 104k active 120 alliance players
lusty grotto
mine is pretty accurate
lusty grotto
are you counting them?
willow scarab
Where did yo ueven get confirmed level 120s from
the site literally says they rip info from the AH and then from guilds
exotic spoke
I mean it’s ducking dead lol
willow scarab
which includes accounts that are 10 years dead
lusty grotto
willow scarab
exotic spoke
Guilds have inactive players then lol
sick sentinel
If u want to get around the whole, I have a raid of Alli here, join groups
willow scarab
IT says there are 150k players on the most dead oceanic realm
which is half of waht the most popular one has
site is wrong
exotic spoke
Cerebella - I can’t be in a raid to do quests. So the 5 of us in my group get out numbered - again and again. 10 v5 or more.
That’s a pointless fight and a waste of time
On my phone nim I can’t change the slider
lusty grotto
i suppose it is a waste of time, but considering you need the kills for ripple
its really not
tough vault
Make friends on other realms
exotic spoke
It is when my priority is getting flying first
Then getting ripple. Don’t care much about that
I can get ripple after wards. Have shit to do first
However, pvp islands are lol
lusty grotto
pvp islands are not as bad as they sound
exotic spoke
Did 4 last night and got conquest capped
lusty grotto
you do what you've been doing best, farm and ignore horde
exotic spoke
❤
lusty grotto
lmao
lusty grotto
its kinda worth killing them after a certain point though
exotic spoke
It didn’t end up well. I occupied them while my team went on killing shit
exotic spoke
And Ahem it’s called “playing the objective”
tough vault
So, my friend made me go arms for pvp. It’s undergeared af. 395 weapon and idek what im doing. Wouldn’t it be better to just go prot?
exotic spoke
Go arms
sick sentinel
Arms pvp for what specifically
exotic spoke
Unless you’re flag bitch.
lusty grotto
and its hilarious how much fucking bleed dmg you get on a bladestorm
tough vault
Isles, bg
exotic spoke
That sounds pretty good nim
lusty grotto
nah
sick sentinel
Because arms is good for arena style pvp
exotic spoke
It wasn’t?
lusty grotto
just prot for pvp isles
sick sentinel
Fury is better for rbg
exotic spoke
Ahhh
tough vault
So prot for isles and arms for other stuff
lusty grotto
basically
sick sentinel
Yup
tough vault
Cba to get 2 2hs
exotic spoke
^^
willow scarab
fury for 2s arms for 3s/rbg prot for pvp islands and world pvp
lusty grotto
i cant fucking play fury for shit in pvp it sickens me
lusty grotto
shit spec
willow scarab
what fury has that arms doesn't is heals...
exotic spoke
Arms isn’t what it used to be nim
willow scarab
bloodthirst is a heal on like 3s cd
lusty grotto
wdym its not what its used to, i can roll people easily with my brother
and did this past week
sick sentinel
Fury has Garbo sustain dps
honest frigate
Oh you’re talking pvp
exotic spoke
I just mean its changed. You can still roll them, but it’s not the same (at. Least to me).
I miss the utility we had
lusty grotto
uhh
spec duel
SR
and just peel for your healbot
and you'll be immortal /shrug
willow scarab
MoP arms was good
exotic spoke
Hated mop PvP in general
lusty grotto
i mean its bgs, you don't need shattering for bgs
exotic spoke
Give me tbc-> cata
willow scarab
wotlk best pvp imo
lusty grotto
wotlk was shit until TfB
have fun getting feared by DKs desecrate
or whatever its called
exotic spoke
Dks op first season
If you pvped as a dk season 1 and didn’t get glad you were literal shit
lusty grotto
eh there were some bad people lol
exotic spoke
See above lol
exotic spoke
Nah the nerfs balanced it
tough vault
Tbh when I see a DK or Druid or DH in pvp I’m always like “ah so you don’t want to learn an actual class” 🙃
lusty grotto
druids do have a skill cap
exotic spoke
^^
lusty grotto
its very easy to tell if someone is a bad druid vs a good one
sick sentinel
Speaking from personal experience, the skill cap is high and there
BUT
it's not as high as it was pre wod
tough vault
Druids more with endless cyclone spam. It’s bs
tough vault
Yeah haven’t dived into arenas on warrior yet
lusty grotto
pretty much yes
lusty grotto
but then again the important SRs came after hard swaps, where usually people don't look to bait them
fake casting?
sick sentinel
Juking
sick sentinel
Ur right
lusty grotto
just about everyone does it these days
lusty grotto
well you def see people not doing it
but it's way more common place nowadays
and by nowadays i mean wod-legion-bfa
sick sentinel
Yeah when that interputs bar add-on showed up it's when u saw more people started to learn to juke
I had to learn how to juke as I was fucking feral
Good thing is that most of every cast had PS attached to it
Except Hibernate
AND MAN WAS THAT GREAT SLEEPING ANOTHER FERAL
tough vault
PS?
tough vault
Ah
sick sentinel
Hibernate u couldn't so ud pop out of form and have to cast so if u get kicked, say bye to any heals or cyclone
lusty grotto
so one guy popped the ele, he was doing the quest
still gave me rank 2
(it still hasn't respawned)
i submitted a bug cause i dont think that's working as intended
cinder pasture
Anyone know if blizz changed stuff for m+ already ? Felt harder than usual when I did one earlier.
lusty grotto
yes they changed the affix combo
that's it
quaking fort teeming is a new combo, regular s2 didn't have it
scaling hasn't changed
even though key font reports that it has
cinder pasture
Alright, well group felt like it was way harder then usual. Wasnt sure if it was the scaling or us being bad or what. Probably just us being bad 😄
willow scarab
It's probably the extra mobs ...
junior ivy
your cat pic 😭
warm plinth
Are you sure Quaking/Fort/Teeming is a new combo? 🤔 I'm pretty sure it's just out of order, not an entirely new affix combination. AFAIK the only new combination will be Bursting/Volcanic when we get that far
mystic whale
Is the new Highborne tank trinket worth using ?
more specifically: https://www.wowhead.com/item=169302/highborne-compendium-of-mystical-bulwark
shut summit
isnt a new combo, order changed / potentially more new combos coming 😏
prolly worth using if need pure defensive / no other alternatives
mystic whale
what do you guys use usually ?
trim bay
So i got this.
mystic whale
I have a 425 diamond, but I need a second one
orchid token
teeming quaking fort always has tanks questioning if they're playing right or if something is wrong
trim bay
whats everyones thoughts?
orchid token
its a tradition of that week
willow scarab
i can't even read that picture
potent anvil
I'm actually surprised there are hardly any groups +2'ing FHs at 20+. Then again ppl doing m+ right now and not farming 🤔
warm plinth
Maybe the timer buff is preventing that?
potent anvil
Hmm, hardly. So far, I'm the only group that did a 20 and +2'd it. There have been +2s at 19s and lower though. +3'ing is actually the most difficult to do now. It's like 17:24 or something
Just an observation, thought some keys this week would be easier because of essences. But then again not a lot of groups actually doing keys while there's farming to do.
potent anvil
Because farming ap/wqs are boring 🤷
willow scarab
true but having a 60 neck before raid is cool
potent anvil
And I'm curious to see if there are any groups pushing and want to see if there's a difference in performance now and pre-essences, but alas seems futile since majority are grinding anyway. And s2 is ending 😞
twin hazel
yes and FLYING
pine slate
any of you guys running worldvein for keys?
inland mesa
does mythic BfD give more AP than heroic?
potent anvil
@inland mesa no, just run normal if you want to ap farm
@pine slate I'm running sphere of suppression, but once I get vision of perfection I'll probably run that. Haven't tried worldvein, but could be alright. Not sure.
inland mesa
oh really, so tomorrow we could use mythic jaina lockout, and then just spam normal for the AP and luls
pine slate
how do you get sphere?
sick sentinel
Just me or are the mythic+ harder this week?
warm plinth
Just you
twin hazel
Its a pretty rough week but no
sick sentinel
Thanks
glacial thorn
Alright so for high end mythic + is siphoning weapon encht still worth it with the TC nerf
oblique garnet
Never been worth
undone sun
Still 🤔
open bluff
there's no such thing
the best timed run this season is a 24 underrot, and the best untimed runs were 25s
glacial thorn
not timed 27s
open bluff
also there's literally only two prot warriors using siphoning
glacial thorn
and yes there's a weappon encht called siphoning that gives you leech mate
undone sun
We know what siphon is
oblique garnet
Its nice to have but makes no real difference
glacial thorn
I see
open bluff
also when i said "there's no such thing"
i was referring to 27s because it's impossible to have completed a 27
open bluff
ah wait i'm looking at the wrong thing
looking at the postseason, gg me
let me rephrase then, it's impossible to have completed a 27 currently with the new scaling because a 24 is the best timed run
glacial thorn
In my understanding we used siphoning because we hit so hard post nerf that the leech was worth it
open bluff
nah
open bluff
you still get more value out of the haste (or even vers, if you somehow feel you have too much haste)
oblique garnet
It still didnt make leech worth it
undone sun
Didn't use leech prior to the Nerf
open bluff
didn't they retune how things scaled past +10 even without the S3 scaling?
or is that all coming with S3
open bluff
ah i gotcha
barren sapphire
👌
twin hazel
oh theres new trinkets?
pine slate
the dps DMC trinket is actually pretty nice
twin hazel
how are the new battle potions
pine slate
expensive
but good. I'm holding off until someone in my guild has rank 3 of the new strength and the AOE strength one for dung
twin hazel
Blingtron 7000 
pine slate
do we want multiple stacks of deafening crash?
pine slate
i have one, trying to choose brace for impact or that
lusty grotto
multiple DCs are good for damage, that's about it
eternal plover
I guess 3x bastion will still be BiS when you get rank 3 vision of perfection. It should make up for a lot of the dmg nerf to thunderclap AND make you virtually unkillable in longer periods of time during dungeons
lusty grotto
if you feel you need to be more defensive you can go BFI, otherwise you can go DC
the nerf wasn't to thunderclap
eternal plover
Well u know what i mean..
If the dmg of UF goes down, but the uptime of avatar goes up, the nerf evens out
lusty grotto
right
of course it'll still be top for M+
we have known for a while
anyway it should be noted in the icy veins guide
eternal plover
Main question tho is if single target dmg from stacking BfI x3, DC x1 and BoM x2 is more valuable
lusty grotto
if you want damage information you should check bloodmallet
or just sim yourself vs a patchwerk
eternal plover
Does that actually Work for prot now?
twin hazel
Simming for dps has always been fine
eternal plover
:o hmm didnt know :)
lusty grotto
no it has not @twin hazel
undone sun
not always
ionic fern
Simming has most of the time "worked" but it has not always been optimal/precise. Anyone can throw w/e into the apl and be like "jep,it's gucci now,go sim" while in reality it's just untested things or people not knowing how to maximise their class
glacial thorn
Is the 30% increase to dungeons this week or next week?
lusty grotto
the 9th
sonic saddle
What's the news on the highborne trinket?
twin hazel
US Should be way ahead we got 2 emissaries
lusty grotto
im only halfway through honored
twin hazel
saw EU people with it on stream yesterday mornining
twin hazel
yah
twin hazel
oh sorry
no rustbolt
we had 2 unshackled
but rustbolt is easy if youre doing everything every day
lusty grotto
yeah that means all possible rares
twin hazel
its a lot less work on a smaller island
lusty grotto
and i guess the whole alternate timeline thing
which i didnt know about until yesterday
ashen maple
200 fucking manapearls and no socket boots wtf bl;izz
sick sentinel
anyone knows how many mark of honor i need for rank3 blood of the enemy
undone sun
https://questionablyepic.com/essence-drop-locations/ says 50k, which also states it's dps locked
sick sentinel
no i mean mark of honor to buy it off
brittle owl
i think it goes 5, 10 , 15 or something like that to buy offspec ones once you unlock your mainspec
maybe 25 for rank 3 who knows
but not much more than that
mint imp
hey guys, do you think its still viable to grind Rezan Gleaming eye trinket from Ataladazar or there will be better option for dps/surv trinket in S3?
for M+ only
austere oar
Depends on what you already have but if playing with 2 400+ trinkets you could wait for the s3 to start to get it higher up
strong forum
It's never bad to go rezans, as of yet it will stay on the bis list
mint imp
I have:
Lingering Sporepods
Mythic 10 Warforged
Item Level 410
And:
Idol of Indiscriminate Consumption
Raid Finder Titanforged
Item Level 405
mint imp
yep, thanks
whole sapphire
rezan is op that up time 😄
stoic pilot
@sick sentinel rank 3 is 25 marks
sick sentinel
@stoic pilot thanks man
dim osprey
Any updates on what essenses are the best?
Last I checked it was uh... Worldvein, lucid and the mechagon one
undone sun
don't see why it'd change
dim osprey
Thought I may as well check yknow
sick sentinel
Has anybody here done boss testing in the ptr?
I need to ask some questions
Ping me if somebody shows up or pm me
mint imp
strange... icy veins guide saying that Worldvein essence is one of the best and wowhead guide saying it is bottom tier
mint imp
for sure, just wondering where is the true
austere oar
iirc worldvein minor is cool if you have melees to use it with you in a raid environment
mint imp
we cannot sim with the essences yet right?
long merlin
but isn't strenght like one of the shittiest stats for warrior?
or is it diffirent for prot?
i'd rather get aegis of the deep for vers bonus
besides, worldvein has low range
mint imp
I think its very situational... worldvein is better for raiding with a lot of melee dps. For other situation i would go for aegis of the deep especially in M+ if we have to compare those two
But within week or so it will not matter. Everybody will play anima or vision
old zephyr
Lucid Dreams and VoP for the avatar dream ?
unborn sapphire
Sporepods is fine in certain dungeons like WM, esp on Teeming.
sick sentinel
more targets doesn't increase the chance of it proccing, and given its a split damage trinket, even the 'does more damage for increased targets' doesn't scale as nicely as stat trinkets like Block or Rezans damage-wise. For defensives the heal also doesn't scale with pull size, so you're better off with something like the uunat trinket or diamond
so theres a ton of better choices
molten rivet
you guys think the alchemy 440 tirnket is gonna be worth crafting or should we get other trinkets in EP?
sick sentinel
it's gonna be real good
molten rivet
okay cool
zealous crest
guys, when they releasing heroic warfronts?
molten rivet
what you think is gonna be the best minor compare? lucid and conflict of strife if you have vision on major? and if something else on major, vision and what ?
sick sentinel
@molten rivet vision major, lucid minor
molten rivet
what 2nd minor when you hit 65
and ofr m+ i guess anima is gonna be best, then you wanna run anima + vision + lucid?
molten rivet
well you still ened big pulls so damage essence is never gonna be bad
wasnt lucid at some point also a versatility buff ?
oh on rank 3, nevermind
oblique garnet
Vision also provides damage
molten rivet
ye i guess, dno - mby your right
opaque vine
Whats up with crucible of flames on bloodmallet? And on that notw how reliable is bloodmallet for essences as of now?
molten rivet
isnt bloodmallet only dps ?
opaque vine
True, but dor VoP it has like 100 dps gain while crucible has around 1k. The difference doesnt feel right.
molten rivet
prolly a bug, because it says we gain minus dps on rank 1 and rank 2
which is weird with more avatar uptime
strong forum
Cof is huge dps once you get rank 2
molten rivet
rank 3 is even bigger, 2 charges and the debuff stacks
strong forum
Cuz of passive dot and the on use that can crit for 80k+
And bloodmallet is 100% dps only, so yeah, having that is huge ST dps
Worldvein is only good if you have 4-5 people that use it aswell
Having 4 worldvein stacks constantly is good value for dps, it's like 2x TC
oblique garnet
You also couldnt sim vop
oblique garnet
You can ask @ionic fern if prot apl is up to date
molten rivet
does CoF stack with avatar and demo shout ?
ionic fern
Prot apl doesn't have on-use essences or spec specific ones implemented as of now. I'm working with a simc backend developer right now to get the spec specific ones like VoP with Avatar procs etc in. The generic ones that increases stats (strife for example) should be working as intended.
sick sentinel
hey guys so i started tanking this expac and i have a question, is mouseover taunt > manual taunting? i havent made a mouseover taunt macro yet but i feel like it sprobably a good idea?
ionic fern
@sick sentinel i haven't found a reason for it as of yet since our snap aggro is pretty solid in aoe situations and in raids you are generally targeting the boss anyways
oblique garnet
Its a good thing to have yes
ionic fern
If you find mouseover to be better for your own personal use..e.g "easier for me to do" etc then go for it.
oblique garnet
Everytime you lose an aggro on a mob and you have to target back to it youre losing one gcd of not pressing your dps buttons like shield slam for example if the mob is out of range
exotic spoke
I think it’s better for m+ than for raids.
oblique garnet
^
tough vault
I switched to MO taunt and MO Heroic Throw and life is better.
exotic spoke
So if you’re doing raids it’s definitely more of a luxury
That you certainly don’t need
ionic fern
As i said..if you need it or find it more comfortable to use then go for it.
Think i only got Intercept on mouseover for now..🤔
oblique garnet
Target target macro is good for intercept aswell
wheat bronze
I just mouseover the target target unit frame
oblique garnet
That works too but in some cases like fh for example where the damage is really fast on 1st boss the macro will be easier
ionic fern
And Eudora
oblique garnet
Eudoras shot has somewhat longer time of cast so you can react to it with more ease
Iirc eudoras power shot is 0.5 second cast and first boss is 0.2?
ionic fern
Jeah,but there's more stuff going on at the same time so not having to think about it is better.
oblique garnet
Yeah for sure
wheat bronze
Yeah, I was going to say most people suck at positioning themselves so you can safely intercept
exotic spoke
Save melee ranged can los
oblique garnet
^
ionic fern
They CAN but they always don't. In my pug experience atleast
oblique garnet
In pugs they never do
ionic fern
Or if you play with a warlock who tells you "i'm mid combo,i'm not moving!!!"
tough vault
gotta love warlocks
exotic spoke
That’s fair mwahi
I’ve gotten my raid to realize if they need a defensive (IE mekkatorque) to come stand next to me and I’ll give them externals
Side note - Chromie needs to be up again
tough vault
She does. I missed out on her and an now missing out on rep 😢
Tho the fish people aren’t as generous with rep as the gnomes are
exotic spoke
I only really need rust bolt rep for flying
I’m about 2500 rep away from reveres in naz - so I can hit that any time I want now
If I had time last night I would have done the pet battles and hit revered last night
But I need like 5k for rustbolt
Got rank 2 of lucid dreams last night 😃
old zephyr
so much rage for AM though
exotic spoke
Still going to need it when I get VoP so may as well start now
visual heron
what ilvl do I need for a +10?
dim juniper
415
oblique garnet
360 if you know what youre doing
sand egret
^ but prob closer to 375-385 if you straight puggin tbh
brittle owl
i straight pugged at 364 🤷
visual heron
Guess I should be fine with 390 then, thought I would need more lol
brittle owl
nah u fine
sand egret
nope, you good
brittle owl
can go higher even
visual heron
did they already increase the my+ difficulty? or does that happen in the next season?
analog swift
The m+ fountain says they did. Apparently math says otherwise. Mobs feel way harder but it’s also fort teem vs tyr teeming and that’s a Mongo difference
exotic spoke
They didn’t
brittle owl
fort teeming hurts disproportionately more than other affix combos
oblique garnet
Its the quaking
analog swift
Yeah I think it was that change from tyr teeming volcanic that makes it feel like shit lives longer
brittle owl
quaking adds another layer of fuck you to the mix yeah
tyr teeming is actually fun, big numbers, big pulls, big fun
sick sentinel
Is it fast to lvl an alts heart to 50 or is there some boost alts get in 8.2? Ik they lowered power needed but did they add a quest or something to boost it
brittle owl
getting heart levels is fast
the thing that isnt are the essences
esp the rep gated ones
visual heron
it's pretty fast up to lvl 46-48~ then it slows down a little
sick sentinel
So i dont unlock rep essences with my main for my alts ?
willow scarab
@strong forum passive but noticable? it's 1ppm?
oblique garnet
its 2ppm
lime mantle
Fort teeming is one of the default hardest weeks, speciallyvpost TD nerf
willow scarab
i tested it and got 1ppm
anyone else deplete a 21TD this week
probably just me
I think half the group had 0io
strong forum
It's also that the cannons are nerfed and that scaling is in fact in tact according to my testings
And you need 15% more count, so obv TD is alot harder now
Also, I feel like lucid ppm is way higher than 2ppm
And before you come in riki, there's no way n hell on a 12 WM it's normal that I'm needing to pull 50k hps on every pack on vdh and my sham every other pull
And adds living more than 4 seconds with 3 people pulling over 100k dps
And me being on like 50-80k dps
Sure teeming fort, but that's not a 12, no way
The mere hp alone the adds had were way out of proportion
sand egret
I did a 14 UR last night, definitely was a bit spicier than I remember.
But I'm still re-learning my muscle-memory so I definitely wasn't piloting my prot very well
sand egret
it's really tough to say this week with it being the ultimate trash week
and quaking fucks with perception hard
strong forum
Next week is gonna be easier yes, but mobs hp was out of proportion, as I said
sand egret
by numeric values?
strong forum
More like feely values
sand egret
ah, yeah that goes into my tin-foil hat theory
strong forum
But diviner had 2.5m hp
On a 12
That doesn't seem right
Downstairs before 3rd boss
sand egret
🤔
well my theory is that scaling IS in, it's just not being reflected properly when displaying the values themselves.
since mob hp aren't done in absolute values anymore
exotic spoke
Hey discord back?
exotic spoke
It is and yeah I saw
fallen oak
Good time of the day. I've recently came back to WoW right before 8.2 hit, leveled LF prot. warrior. Got it all the way through to 395 with the new gearing options, but can't shake the feeling that everything just takes years to kill in the outdoor content. Will it get better with gear, even though I've noticed the mobs hp grow with my ilvl? Or it is how they say and I should suck it up and start gathering gear for an off-spec to not spent hours tickling Nazjatar mobs?
sand egret
Are you referring to fighting Naz mobs in particular?
strong forum
Nazj mobs are way easier as tank cuz they apparently deal large amounts of damage.
Prot is the highest dmg dealing tank so... Yeah get some gear it'll be better
Also play the correct talents. If you aren't already
sand egret
tbf, my bear pumps harder than my prot does now 😃
but yeah, leveling as a tank is the dream
strong forum
Bear is strong ye, but idk about more, mine is 400 and haven't done shit
sand egret
I have an interesting case where both are equal ilvl and I did dual +14s last night. Definitely noticed a diff, but I've also been playing one a lot more lately so there's that
fallen oak
@strong forum I'm using the optimal setup I found in icy veins and warcraft logs. Mobs don't hurt much, indeed, but poking a 390k hydra takes so long it feels like Im soloing a dungeon.
sand egret
the key is, you gotta leverage the strength of leveling the spec
strong forum
Well that's just how it is bruther
fallen oak
(not mentioning those 15 elite naga dailies, ugh)
strong forum
390 is low ilvl, obv its not gonna feel amazingly easy
sand egret
you can a) solo big ol' bosses (takes a while) or b) you can survive pulling a lot of things
fallen oak
I understand that, but I got to almost 398 today and mobs just got 80k fatter =\
sand egret
so unless you're pulling a bunch, you're pace will most likely be pretty slow. Our single target isn't like monstrous
fallen oak
But I get the advice, still. I'll suck it up and try to push through, hope to not burn out.
sand egret
it does get better for sure
fallen oak
Really don't wanna gear second spec, tbh, since I wanna focus on tanking.
sand egret
what ilvl is your weapon in particular?
sand egret
hmm get the dps follower in Naz if you haven't she can pump
sand egret
you alliance?
fallen oak
yes
sand egret
ah, yeah i dunno their names
fallen oak
Lightforged draenei, cause I thought I'd at least get some damage from racial x3
sand egret
but that sounds like the dps one
austere oar
Shaman one is stupid strong
fallen oak
It's the middle one, he later gives a perk to reduce aggro radius
I might try to run with shaman today, thank you for advice!
sand egret
oh maybe not then? the far left on horde is the dps one
you may be running with the "tank" one tbh
fallen oak
I'm also running benthic armor that gives health on crit on nagas, reduced shadow damage and sometimes I do damage around myself.
warm plinth
Nah that’s the DPS one. Left horde one has reduced aggro later on too.
sand egret
ahh gotcha
warm plinth
Assuming they have similar move sets anyway
fallen oak
the middle one on ally has: trap, spear, later aggro reduced. If its the same, that'd be nice
sand egret
yeah, I mean it's a new zone and you're already a tad behind the curve in terms of ilvl. Unfortuntately it's going to be a bit of a struggle early. Good news is, you'll be swimming in that upgrade crack loop 😃
for the elites, you could always just befriend someone and pull a bunch and kill em together 😃
fallen oak
Yeah, but it feels like most have been passed and its not until season 3 and magicaly getting through some m+ there it'll change, but that's something to keep in mind.
sand egret
i found me a ret pally friend yesterday who just followed me around and AoE'd down my shit
fallen oak
Yeah, for me its usualy some jackass running in my clap with 10 mobs and sneaking off
while I tickle them down
sand egret
ended up duo'ing that big elite WQ
austere oar
Generally on my dh I mass pull and dps will gladly join in
sand egret
yeah, pulling a huge back is like a big welcome invitation haha
austere oar
We're pocket gold as tanks for dps
brittle owl
i go thru so many lightfoots on my paladin because of that 👀
war and dh dont need em cuz leaps n intercept
warm plinth
Oh good. They’re reducing the rares quest on Naz to only require one rare and making it clearer what counts as a rare by removing the rare tag from some of the mobs that weren’t counting.
sand egret
yeah, i had a fun wpvp moment last night doing that. Just mass pulling doing my own thing, found some poor sucker with a bajillion mobs so I run over to help him. Before I get to him he gets jumped by this random Hunter. What ensued was me getting this sea of mob's aggro and us just being like NOPE on this Hunter. That random person was soo friendly after, pretty sure he followed me around for the next 30 min
love them little moments
fallen oak
That sounds nice
I had one nice hunter help me kill hydras while I just chain pulled every single one of them
And not being dazed in nazjatar is definitely a big nice oof
@brittle owl lightfoots op as hell, always collect like 10 of them every time I log in
brittle owl
good for running away from arcane mages as well👀
warm plinth
The quests on Nazjatar are just...idk. If you’re alone, just plan on shit taking a while.
fallen oak
that's how it was, yeah. Playing on Argent Dawn-EU also makes it hard to find people willing to join in and do them with you x3
warm plinth
So many high HP mobs that will destroy you if you pull a lot because of shit they do.
fallen oak
cause its hella slower
exotic spoke
I just need rustbolt now (effectively)
warm plinth
Because I want to kill things sometime this century
exotic spoke
Literally the worst
brittle owl
you dont die
exotic spoke
With that pun
sick sentinel
I pull around 5-8 elites in naz during the elite quest and dont have a problem staying alive while widdling them down
brittle owl
you never die, the more mobs there are the more healing you do
junior ivy
wait
warm plinth
Rust bolt rep is gonna take me forever. Idk what I’m doing wrong. I clear the map of shit every day and I’m not even honored yet
junior ivy
are prot warriors good now?
fallen oak
it depends on your ilvl, as well, as we've discussed.
warm plinth
Cat come on
fallen oak
at 395 Im struggling to keep tickling bunch of elites down
brittle owl
are you the wow player equivalent of internet explorer cat
warm plinth
You’ve been in this server literally every day
sick sentinel
Im 408 lol no problem here
warm plinth
You know how we’re doing
oblique garnet
im 422 and everything melts 8)
brittle owl
just asked
fallen oak
@oblique garnet in prot?
junior ivy
i didnt realize we were that good though
oblique garnet
yes
exotic spoke
I need 5.5k ish rustbolt rep. And 3k naz - But I know I can get the naz when ever I want even if no dailies are left
junior ivy
when i quit playing we were trash
fallen oak
nice to know, running the AoE talents as well?
strong forum
418 here, can confirm, melting alot
exotic spoke
Yeah we good now cat
brittle owl
warr was never trash lmao
oblique garnet
Wdym aoe talents?
exotic spoke
Very good. 418 - shit melts
strong forum
Everyone is @fallen oak
brittle owl
wut
sick sentinel
Running standard az traits
brittle owl
u high
fallen oak
@oblique garnet thunderclap setup for avatar.
brittle owl
war was fine
junior ivy
we were really bad in early BFA for m+
brittle owl
people were dumb
strong forum
Mira there is no other build
oblique garnet
you mean the only talent build that is good?
strong forum
There is only 1 build
junior ivy
no one ever wanted to invite me to tank m+s
warm plinth
We literally never run different builds
strong forum
That exists
exotic spoke
Mael, we were viable but not good. And it wasn’t enjoyable to play
fallen oak
@strong forum let newbie hope that the autoattack talent is useable, goddamit!
brittle owl
no one ever wanted to take you to m+ cause dk was op & infested
strong forum
We were good in 8.0 literal sleeper spec.
brittle owl
same reason why people turn down other tanks in s2 cuz warr is op for reaping specifically
strong forum
Literally just retarded community perception
junior ivy
i did so many +15s in easrly BFA that took 2+ hours
junior ivy
but i was a good tank in legion. i was double-selling +15s, 3-manning them and making timer
brittle owl
any tank/comp can do 20's
exotic spoke
@strong forum there were definitely issues with how we played. IP on GCD felt terrible.
We were definitely way lower on the tier list.
brittle owl
legion m+ was also a joke compared to bfa
junior ivy
i miss legion so much
sand egret
Eh, IP on the GCD vs off didn't make much difference for some that got used to it
junior ivy
do you know what i wanna do. i wanna do halls of lightning on +15
sand egret
i get the complaint, but it didn't make us worse
analog swift
So we all going inscription yeah?
strong forum
IP on gcd literally only changed dps
sand egret
that's super subjective
strong forum
The IP change was only a Dps increase
sand egret
It felt fine to me
exotic spoke
I don’t disagree but I think mitigation for a tank on GCD is aids
sand egret
took getting used to, sure
strong forum
Obv, but that doesn't change viability
warm plinth
Would make the current upcoming play style pretty awkward though tbh
strong forum
It's good that it's off gcd yes
But its not the reason why we weren't as popular back then
exotic spoke
I’ve always said we were viable
warm plinth
Having to dump lucid rage with on GCD IP would suck haha
sand egret
yeah, we were more punishing back in 8.0, but we were definitely not "trash"
brittle owl
you guys undervalue the contribution ti anger management that ip off gcd has
strong forum
Simply just community perception, for back then standard we did just as much dps as we do now
exotic spoke
But playing prot felt bad then.
Also, not able to block ranged attacks
strong forum
The ranged attacks, yes that's huge
sand egret
in hindsight yeah
oblique garnet
Only lost like 2k dps from previous patch we will still be ahead of guardian 
strong forum
Ye same here late
sand egret
mine are about even now
brittle owl
guardian is sleeper for beguiling tho👀
strong forum
If I pulled better I coulda hit 35k overall in WM
exotic spoke
Yeah, it’s not terrible. It took getting used to not seeing those thunderclap crits
exotic spoke
Beguiling - what if we heroic throw it away lol
warm plinth
You can’t root in bear can you?
sand egret
no...
brittle owl
oh
oblique garnet
^
warm plinth
Just the root talent which you don’t take
brittle owl
yeah cuz vortex
oblique garnet
Also only one of them needs real tank action
strong forum
Will see
warm plinth
Being the enchanted one? With the reflect?
brittle owl
thing is tho, the more you can handle weird mechanics like that without involving the dps
the better
but s3 tanks will matter less i feel
analog swift
I know many people (including myself) took engi helm for M+ (gizmo was a life saver despite bombs simming higher). Would VoP make BoM better than barrage/gizmo?
brittle owl
just how the way it looks as an affix
junior ivy
is my ilvl 379 or 879?
sand egret
wat.
warm plinth
Yeah but the CC one has to be continuously CCed which can’t be done by tanks anyway really. And the void one is just a DPS race
junior ivy
or 479?
warm plinth
...
junior ivy
which is it
oblique garnet
BoM was already better than engi helm overall
void berry
Hey guys. Is there a best class to go for as an ally ? My prot is a panda but damn they look bad in plate.
junior ivy
its something-79
warm plinth
Look at your character
sand egret
at this point you're just asking to ask
warm plinth
Yeah for real
void berry
FUCK
junior ivy
im noit logged into wow
void berry
Race*
brittle owl
maybe kill it on lower keys
junior ivy
GNOME
warm plinth
There’s an armory
warm plinth
Yeah but CC is limited to 8 seconds now on them
warm plinth
You can’t resap in combat
oblique garnet
They changed it again?
brittle owl
like roots for example
warm plinth
Yeah a while ago actually
brittle owl
was like that for a while
oblique garnet
Zzz
warm plinth
You basically have to make your resto Druid spam root it
oblique garnet
Nah cba cc healer will outheal ez
brittle owl
or boomkin
sand egret
this for the reflect one?
brittle owl
no
warm plinth
No
sand egret
the anti-cc?
brittle owl
ya
sand egret
gotcha
brittle owl
knockback one theres alot of shenanigans you can do with it
sand egret
it's direct hits right?
oblique garnet
Heroic throw inbetween globals
warm plinth
Yeah like initial moo fire will knock but not dot
brittle owl
so you can have your outlul keep it away without having second thoughts
sand egret
is it massive?
warm plinth
Short I imagine.
warm plinth
Would be dumb if it was long
brittle owl
something like that
sand egret
oh, could prob just stand on once side of it and tclap it away
warm plinth
Especially since the emissary can aggro other mobs if you knock it
sand egret
put yourself between it and the mobs
warm plinth
Into them
brittle owl
or like that yeah
sand egret
ez for bear as basically every gcd is a 360 degree aoe 😃
warm plinth
Yeah lol
brittle owl
ez for mist tanks actually
except vdh and dks
dunno if blood boil works
then its just vdh that sucks for it
but only marginally
warm plinth
Well Druid might suck too tbh. Remember it’s the mobs proximity to other mobs that matters. Not proximity to you. I guess if they run balance aff they would have a buffer
brittle owl
worst case they moonfire every other gcd
warm plinth
Yeah, true
I was just saying it probably won't be as brainless as just hitting them with something inadvertently
Since you wouldn't be leaving much room for error doing it that way
spice ferry
How do monks handle it?
warm plinth
Ring, maybe tapping CJL?
modern brook
warm plinth
Eh, I'm remaining optimistic
spice ferry
Seems like only dk and vdh being cucked by it
Tbh I’m just keep for something different
warm plinth
Eh. VDH can throw glaive every what, 3 seconds? They might be okay
warm plinth
Depends on how often you need it though, yeah
warm plinth
Monk might too tbh. At least initially. Can't ring while they're still in the pack and CJL will drain their energy fast
brittle owl
vdh has alot it can knock it back with just...not consistent
spice ferry
Yeh I kinda imagine it being that others deal with it to start, then heals/tank deal with it once the pull has settled
warm plinth
Would make sense
brittle owl
spb, jump impact, glave, but you have globals where it just creeps closer
with vdh its the opposite really
you can kock it back far really quick
but then need help
warm plinth
Warrior/druid will probably be able to start pulls decently well with it. Just hit them with a heroic throw/moonfire, emissary gets knocked and the pack starts toward you. Should create the space needed pretty easily
warm plinth
SpB would be super dangerous though. Short range and you're likely to hit other mobs too (which depending on proximity could 1-shot you)
spice ferry
I’m just gunna hope my healer does it for me 😉
warm plinth
Yeah but as the tank, how are other mobs not close to you? Best case you're gonna chunk yourself
brittle owl
i mean, yeah, but i doubt that as a tank you can do significant dmg to yourself
other than the countiest of pulls
warm plinth
I guess. Remember it reflects 150% back though. I'm not saying it'll kill you if you hit one mob but you'll feel it
warm plinth
Yeah
oblique garnet
Spb?
brittle owl
spirit bomb
warm plinth
So a DH has what, 400k HP? If you hit 5 mobs with a 15k spirit bomb, that's gonna reflect 112.5k back at you
25% is a pretty hefty bit
warm plinth
That's fair
brittle owl
by any means
confusing the emmisaries as a prot warr and just avatar clapping will happen doe 😂
can't wait for those stories
oblique garnet
It wont
brittle owl
you underestimate the memes
oblique garnet
The enchanted emissary is really easily recognizeable