Unluck
#protection
strong forum
strong forum
I have like 5 neets in my guild
warm plinth
Even heroic islands give more AP than most WQs though tbf
warm plinth
I was just mentioning them because you don't need a group
willow scarab
but they take 10 minutes
strong forum
Well to be efficient, you kinda do
willow scarab
because i queue into one afk player and one windwalker with int trinkets
warm plinth
Idk, my average one yesterday was like 6-6 1/2 minutes
strong forum
Cuz pugs literally attack mobs individually at most
warm plinth
And I did like 20 or 25
willow scarab
I would rather solo a mythic than do a heroic with randoms
strong forum
This
willow scarab
unless
strong forum
Bro FUCK randoms
warm plinth
Why do you even play with the other 2 people in a heroic though? I just go and pull fucktons of mobs, solo them, move on
willow scarab
the horde have the surv hunter / dk / mw combo
then i don't wanna solo
how you gonna pull a fucktonn when they are hitting mobs as soon as you walk past them to start your pull
warm plinth
I just go in a different direction than them, since they're usually going to the wrong place anyway XD
warm plinth
Fair enough. Just a suggestion anyway haha
strong forum
Ye
willow scarab
tfw reset has enough for 54 neck
i'm smoking then getting 54 for rank 2 crucible
good day
i love wow
brb
junior ivy
whats crucible
warm plinth
The first essence you get
junior ivy
i forget what an essence is
warm plinth
wowhead has a whole article on them
wispy plume
Are the servers still down? I can’t log in to do missions on my phone lol
willow scarab
been up for like an hour
dense flame
@willow scarab what are you doing to grind ap out so efficiently?
willow scarab
19999/10000 all reputations, had some island quests, pvp quests, island treasure map etc all ready for turnin
since then i've done every storyline quest, every AP WQ and about 30 mythic islands, 5-10 pvp islands
I was 52.5 on launch from what i had banked up
dense flame
That’s actually huge
wispy plume
Update was it
dense flame
Nice job @willow scarab 👌🏻 keep pounding.
junior ivy
fumeiyo
willow scarab
idk if AP scales with key/pvp as well
willow scarab
but i had 1800 pvp cache to open and a 21 key chest
crystal dirge
Hi! I have unlocked the Blood of the Enemy essence what I'd like to know is, if the critical strike against the target I gain actually increases my parry against them too or nah? Do we know anything about that? Asking for Jaina reasons :x
crystal dirge
Ah okay I'm on fury totally forgot we can't even equip that, nvm mybad :pepega:
willow scarab
I wish we could
crystal dirge
it would be nice to get that parry from it :p
warm plinth
You do get more AP per key level in weekly chest but it’s a small amount. Like 50 per key level.
warm plinth
They upped the base amount though, to 3k I think (was 1k) and you got the updated AP this week
willow scarab
hell yeah dude
I basically stockpiled everything I could
53.93 atm
almost at that rank 2 crucible
warm plinth
You’re a 1 character man I’m guessing?
warm plinth
Ah
willow scarab
Also playing 18 hour days
willow scarab
Uni break, took work off this week and have a deal with gf for every major patch
warm plinth
I do WQs for like 2 hours and I’m out of it
Nazjatar is gonna be hard for me to force myself through every day lol
warm plinth
Idk I keep finding more quests when I’m running around doing the bodyguard shit lol
exotic spoke
I still have to turn in a couple quest / island things + do islands I think I can be 53 by end of tonight
warm plinth
I might get 50 today XD
empty spire
hows the new naga hide enchant for defensive play? better than quick nav
exotic spoke
Currently bugged according to... @willow scarab I think?
empty spire
in a good way?
exotic spoke
Sorry he used force multiplier - it’s randomly choosing your stat not using your highest stat
Naga hide I don’t think is good
willow scarab
force multiplier is giving me random stats not the highest stat
naga hide was nice on uunat prog
woeful marsh
sick sentinel
Go for the one that makes the number go big
Only losers and shit players go defensive
rustic sand
📌
exotic spoke
shut summit
junior ivy
oblique garnet
@willow scarab Im at 53.5 : )
exotic spoke
Just curious - why don’t you like naz?
wary gyro
Naz so far just feels like argus with less to do to me
exotic spoke
I like the pvp aspects - can’t wait for it to calm down a little bit so I’m not out numbered 3-4+ to 1
wary gyro
I keep missing the reward from the pvp event because I cant find any players to kill
tough vault
is the pvp event daily? and what's the pve equivalent?
wary gyro
I'm not sure of its frequency and I dont think it has a pve equivelant
quiet relic
Mecagon is shitty to me not much going on after 4 quest I feel like Naz has a lot to do
exotic spoke
Mechagon is more open ended as to what you can pursue.
Naz seems to be more x -> y -> z to me
sick sentinel
So Naz is what we expected
quiet relic
I like the xyz of it I guess
sick sentinel
And mechagon is something different
quiet relic
I don't like having to hunt for shit to do just give it to me all at once so I can get it done
prisma crane
naz is also like 95% "in combat" which gets real old real fast
modern brook
Ah yess
wary gyro
I was hoping for more of mechqgon to be in the city proper rather than just the dungeon being there
modern brook
the 9-5 blue collar approach to recreation
sick sentinel
Hey man, just get flying faster
prisma crane
oh and dont forget mobs that root and slow
sick sentinel
After all it's fun to level reps
Right?
Didnt u find that fun in every other expac since bc
exotic spoke
That’s my opinion of the zones.
Mechagon is more “you can farm for punch cards.... mount... etc. plus cool inventions you can use”
wary gyro
See I've been playing my hunter so I can drop combat pretty much whenever
exotic spoke
@sick sentinel I’ve found it relaxing at times - see Timbermaw. Just go and put music on and murder furbolgs
prisma crane
it's also a lot of "fun" to just get caught on every rock in the zone, and have so much vertical elevation changes that nothing is a straight path
modern brook
tbh
prisma crane
i have a great idea, lets lock flying behind a zone that really makes people appreciate flying
modern brook
the only thing left in wow thats fun
is paying 1 gold and 1 minute to go from my chest to the reforger and back
sick sentinel
Because of my time with other games now, I prefer ff14 Verison going around the map and looking for a thing that after u collected several, boom, flying
exotic spoke
Meh, I don’t have a problem with flying being locked and don’t have issues with naz design - but it’s an opinion
wary gyro
I dont mind flying being locked behind story progression or exploration I just am sick of the rep grind
sick sentinel
If it was story locked that's fjne
modern brook
theyve def done that in the past tbh
sick sentinel
I'd rather that then grind rep
wary gyro
Same
modern brook
i mean what you're really saying
exotic spoke
Meh - each there own
modern brook
is non-instanced content of wow isnt fun to do
sick sentinel
Not really
modern brook
"I would rather wait 2 weeks for time gated story progression than grind reprutation" == "world content isnt fun"
wary gyro
Not really I just dont have the free time to get the rep grind done very quickly unless I just exclusively work on it
Rep grind isnt the only thing to do in open world content
sick sentinel
You would have a point if ground based travel was limited to a similar level as flight based
World content is fine, forcing someone to do something is not
wary gyro
Bold of you to assume I have friends who still play this game
sick sentinel
Bolder of you that I actually tell my brain I'm not putting a paper bag on a job and calling it a hobby
exotic spoke
It’s an mmo. It isn’t designed to be played by yourself
Also, you’re in an active guild aren’t you?
INR I don’t know what you mean with that
wary gyro
I kinda quit till this patch after my guild collapsed and I haven't found a new one yet
exotic spoke
😦
sick sentinel
I can not convince my brain to look at doing WQ while trying to have fun in wpvp as not a job
Because I'm doing WQ, I know exactly that what I'm doing is a job
Even if I'm doing I actually like
exotic spoke
Was just a suggestion. I find wPvP fun. Besides it’s also playing and bullshitting with friends as we do WQ
wary gyro
I mostly play wow for the raiding everything else I do in it is usually in service of that in some way
sick sentinel
Oh no I love wpvp, my beginnings with wow has been pvp until Legion
I used to lead several guilds during wrath/cata on xroads defense/raids or city flash mobs
It's that WQ are just dailies around the map
To ne
wary gyro
I do need to really get to work on finding a new guild before the raid actually drops
sick sentinel
And I fucking HATED dailies
wooden radish
@ionic fern hello. are you exalted with mechagon yet
lusty grotto
What up
ionic fern
night crow
Has dungeon scaling already been implemented
exotic spoke
For m+? Yes
sick sentinel
doesnt feel like it
exotic spoke
My group is not doing any until our rogue gets back. Then trying out one of our 20s. Probably TD to test the changes
lusty grotto
😰
outer dew
just use Nimchip
lusty grotto
So like
lusty grotto
I worked until 4 am today
And the OP director asked me why I didn't make it in time to the office
Fuck this job
And now for more booty claps
Ye Riki nimchy can prob run tomorrow
To test
sick sentinel
@outer dew are you back
lusty grotto
I plan on going into a coma tonight
sick sentinel
Long story
lusty grotto
Tofu no!
outer dew
and atm
lusty grotto
kaege your pfp is very good 👌
outer dew
it's leaning towards no
lusty grotto
pls no change
sick sentinel
I wanted to prove the first e-girl that I stopped being with the second e-girl that I was e-dating for a month while 1st one was mad at me
outer dew
I thought you said you 'd love me even i f i was a weeb
lusty grotto
the fuck outta here with that crap
lusty grotto
jesus what
sick sentinel
HAHAHAHA
lusty grotto
so you basically e-cheated
lusty grotto
e-cheated out of e-spite
sick sentinel
We did say that we're braking up
lusty grotto
e-yikes
sick sentinel
And that we would stay friends
sick sentinel
But she wanted me back
lusty grotto
you mean e-toxic
kaege
i just
i just cant do this anymore
its not you, its me
tofu is a wonderful e-girl
sick sentinel
Look
outer dew
why am I a skank?
sick sentinel
Don't make me look bad
lusty grotto
oof
sick sentinel
Tofu is a G.I.R.L.
outer dew
which was basically
fish cake, egg cake, some other cake
and last one was no one to love
and she replied
"it's because you have no money"
outer dew
LMAO
PLZ
nim
come on, that last thing you want
is for me to call you daddy
LMAO
lusty grotto
daddy nimchip has a nice ring to it
sick sentinel
Oh no
sick sentinel
ahem
sick sentinel
👀
lusty grotto
well shit i completely missed that
sick sentinel
Also I might be traveling in some weeks 👀
A completely coincidental week long vocation 👀
lusty grotto
nice nice
im visiting my ex next week
time to play some smash
inb4 she says we have to talk again
sick sentinel
Super smash brothers?
lusty grotto
yes
sick sentinel
🤣
lusty grotto
fuck your shitty pikachu main, loser
i only do it cause you main that shit link
the fuck outta here with your logic
that's exactly how that will go
sick sentinel
I see
lusty grotto
so like whats good in wow land since i couldn't play yesterday
@exotic spoke put nimchy in coach
lusty grotto
fuck everytime we mention nimchy
i remember i have to do the goddamn nazjatar and mechaland quests on it
exotic spoke
Scaling looks crazy. But nimchy needs to get introduced to deadriki to carry deadriki
lusty grotto
hmm
lusty grotto
i wonder if i could snag some sweet upgrades from benthic for nimchy
exotic spoke
I mean.... what kind of keys....
sick sentinel
Feral druids are for petting
lusty grotto
lol
sick sentinel
And stress relief
exotic spoke
To be fair nim was like “I can show you a bunch of things in TD”
We finish TD “well... guess you pretty much knew what I was going to show you”
If I’m free I don’t mind running other keys.
lusty grotto
thanks guys
exotic spoke
Lol
lusty grotto
logs off
exotic spoke
@outer dew like what’s your availability?
lusty grotto
check your schedule
outer dew
if I can get some people actually playing
i might resub
most annoying thing for me is finding a group
because it's a regrind for guild + m+ group
again
lusty grotto
my ele shammy buddy kinda said "f that" at doing keys this week lmao
exotic spoke
Yeah we’re going to struggle through one probably
outer dew
how you liking 8.92 riki?
lusty grotto
i forgot i gotta go assass now
outer dew
hmmm
lusty grotto
no worries
outer dew
Do i come back for the boys?
exotic spoke
Will have to see after mechagon / palace releases
outer dew
🤔
lusty grotto
as soon as we get a skillforged 1 hander
numbers will go up
i think we focused too much on the "nerf" without taking into consideration ilvl gains
i think the scaling will make it close to what it was before maybe
exotic spoke
I understand why it had to happen don’t get me wrong
lusty grotto
of course dps scaling will go even higher
exotic spoke
It still feels bad
outer dew
hmm
lusty grotto
i wonder how it'll affect skittish weeks now though
outer dew
nah
lusty grotto
yeah which means skittish might not be a free affix anymore
outer dew
just be the bear god
in AoE for decent keys
bear performs pretty well
issue is getting your ass shoved in
lol
oh
shit
is komodolitka coming back
switching back to the DH tank?
👀
lusty grotto
who
exotic spoke
Do we hav updated K values for palace / M+ now?
frigid forge
What zandalari racial are most valid atm?
warm plinth
Paku is what most people run.
frigid forge
ah kk thanks ❤
lusty grotto
@fierce juniper do we have updated K values and if not how can we help get them?
i wonder if they will get tuned out when season 3 starts
lusty grotto
or if they'll remain consistent
crimson furnace
for my prot warr?
lusty grotto
NE, DID, Dwarf for M+, otherwise whatever
tough vault
DID club
lusty grotto
Dwarf and DID are particularly strong on raids as well
crimson furnace
DID?
tough vault
dark iron
exotic spoke
Play what ever you think is cool.
DID is dark iron dwarf
DiD is cool. I’m DiD right now
crimson furnace
oooo
exotic spoke
Thanks nim
crimson furnace
..read that kul tiran are the race to go
lusty grotto
ill see if i can help get the k values tomorrow but if someone can jump the gun
crimson furnace
that si why i am here
since u guys
are actually play this game
focusing on M+
lusty grotto
where did you read this and what was their reasoning
exotic spoke
I mean - the benefit of a racial is so small the answer is play what you want
lusty grotto
you see
dwarf and dark irons can clear bleeds
NE can meld out and negate effects that fade when combat ends, as well as making death runs trivial
so what was the reasoning behind saying kul tirans are good, i think that would be important for you to consider
crimson furnace
let me check again
lusty grotto
or is it some other icy veins article?
crimson furnace
@lusty grotto cant find that article
😦
it might be from somewhere else since i cant find it on icey
crimson furnace
ok, so basically DID
sick sentinel
you dont rely on defensive parts of racials
trail whale
isn't the kul tiran racial stun a ST stun with a longer cast time that is useless in almost every situation?
mental scarab
DiD for necrotic and bleed boooooooois'
analog swift
tho orcs and mag'har orcs get turned to those
tame prawn
Did the new M+ difficulty scaling go live or is that held back for season 3?
exotic spoke
It’s live
tame prawn
Thanks
inland mesa
really, so the 17 I did was more of a 20?
exotic spoke
The 20 key I have says it is 456% damage and health.
If I remember correctly that’s higher than it was
oblique garnet
my 19 had 405
exotic spoke
Maybe I’m wrong, just remembered talking about it with late
inland mesa
that is late
inland mesa
so the new scaling is in? No wonder the 17 I did with a pug healer freaking hurt, granted he was terrible but damn. I went in like oh a 17 this shit is easy
what's a 19 usually at before then
inland mesa
pug healer on quaking AD with saurids was scary city, and honor guards
exotic spoke
Or I think the affixes where changed I can’t remember
red wedge
Was Fortified,Teeming, Quaking the original this week? Or is it the new combo that replaced Bursting, Quaking?
Nevermind. I looked it up. Bursting / Quaking is going to become Bursting / Volcanic.
analog swift
am wondering if they replace raging volcanic w/ raging quaking
wouldn't mind if push weeks were harder then every week could be closer to the same
warm plinth
@red wedge the new combo is raid week I believe.
analog swift
that's what it would have been if the weekly affixes kept continuing but instead of sang/grei/fort they gave us fort/teem/quak
warm plinth
Ah yeah you're right. I didn't realize that wasn't actually the next one.
junior ivy
i might try to play tonight. i mean. do my addons. then play another day
warm plinth
smh
junior ivy
😦
its such an ordela
ordeal
cant decide if worth it
maybe just play league
btw
what nrew mounts exist since i quit?
warm plinth
Uh...a few I think. Idk how many exactly
There's a new secret mount
But it's really not super special
exotic spoke
Amani war bear is best mount
warm plinth
The original or the remake?
exotic spoke
War bear (original) not battle bear (remake)
warm plinth
Just checking
exotic spoke
I’m hurt. I thought you’d know me better
Never go half assed on anything
Always go full ass
warm plinth
full 🍑
exotic spoke
Lol
junior ivy
whats the new secret mount
exotic spoke
Undocumented change:
Can no longer go to the proving grounds to grab free healthstones
warm plinth
New secret mount is a seahorse-type thing
junior ivy
is it under water
warm plinth
I would think so
junior ivy
i want one that flies
a flying seahorse
gimme that
do you know whgat moutn i never got
and forgot abouyt
the bee
how do you get the bee?
warm plinth
I don't know if it's actually in-game or not. The secrets Discord thinks that it was added with 8.2 but don't think anyone has discovered how to get it yet
balmy nova
With an item at 5 manapearl cost u can use water mount in nazjatar @junior ivy so when you unlock flying there gonna have many Seahorse flying around :-)
junior ivy
what is nazjatar
balmy nova
New zone from 8.2
junior ivy
oh WAIT YOU CAN FLY WITH WATER MOUNTRS THERE?
balmy nova
Gonna need the meta achievement before to get flying
oblique garnet
no
junior ivy
when did flying come out
exotic spoke
Tuesday
exotic spoke
Yes
warm plinth
Yeah, two
junior ivy
can you fly in those 2
warm plinth
You can once you unlock flying
exotic spoke
And this is also the first time you can fly - once you get the achievements
junior ivy
or did they just introduce flying in the original post-legion expac areas?
warm plinth
It's not gonna be like Argus where you can fly everywhere else
junior ivy
btw whatr is this expac even called lmao
warm plinth
🤦
junior ivy
its been too long!
lusty grotto
its called warlords of draenor
exotic spoke
Ugh not even funny nim
lusty grotto
wdym
exotic spoke
I dunno
warm plinth
Silly Nim; it's called Warlords of Azeroth smh
junior ivy
ah ok
oblique garnet
Woo 54 neck : )
warm plinth
Congrats. What took you so long? @willow scarab can you believe this guy
😏
Btw you doing keys this week Late?
warm plinth
RIP
hasty nova
warm plinth
Did you have paragon quests to turn in @oblique garnet ?
rapid jewel
@oblique garnet what do you do to grind so much AP?
exotic spoke
Late I agree. Fuck keys right now
exotic spoke
He had shit stored up - a bunch. I lostnout on 6 caches that I had in my bags
warm plinth
Don't let Beguiling come in without any resistance!
exotic spoke
456% increase disagrees ghash
warm plinth
456% increase on what
exotic spoke
Damage and health
oblique garnet
Ap sweep and islands
exotic spoke
For my +20 key
warm plinth
What was it in 8.1.5?
oblique garnet
370 or less
warm plinth
Holy shit
exotic spoke
Yup.
warm plinth
Time to drop that to like a 16 😂
exotic spoke
Not even sure if my group should do one
Nah. We should do the 20 and just get through it for TR rewards and shit
warm plinth
Ah yeah I suppose so
At least it's fortified. You can just beat your face against it until it's over
exotic spoke
Just know we’re are going to die a lot and I need to go full defensive
Like, full... full full defensive
warm plinth
Waiting for that powder shot nerf. Tyr eudora is gonna be super scurry
exotic spoke
But big dick bloodbolt reflects though at high keys
warm plinth
Yeah. records bloodbolt reflect on internal damage meter
exotic spoke
It’s obvious though when the add just evaporated lol
warm plinth
Lol. But fun! And if it's not on the damage meter, Blizz can't nerf it because no one will complain XD
junior ivy
how long would it tkae me to get flying do you think
warm plinth
¯_(ツ)_/¯
As long as it takes you to get Revered with Rustbolt and the Nazjatar faction
junior ivy
what is rustbolt omg
warm plinth
The Mechagon reputation
junior ivy
😦
sick sentinel
Started to play my warri again and the playstyle feels so much better compared to pally
Its not that faceroll lol
neon tangle
Pally isn't really wildly different playstyle wise
chilly brook
Pally is almost literally the same as 8.0 warrior
sick sentinel
But warri has resource management
chilly brook
I mean so does pally to an extent
sick sentinel
U just press whats free
chilly brook
If you don’t judgement on CD you’re wasting cooldown reduction
sick sentinel
Gotta handle sotr right but thats it
chilly brook
Then you got the resource management of sotr and seraphim
neon tangle
If you like managing resources play a BDK 😛
chilly brook
Oh and if you’re using it the interplay between sotr and the lotp cd reduction
neon tangle
warrior is also "hit whats off CD" outside of like "don't overcap rage I guess"
sick sentinel
But if u survive u can decide if u wanna use that extra revenge if its not free
Little things like that
open bluff
gotta maximize your leech
neon tangle
I think you mean "I tried to press revenge to spend rage but I got a proc anyways"
chilly brook
I mean tbh resource management was a thing for prot before 8.1
Post 8.1 not so much
neon tangle
was it?
spice ferry
I was wondering that too Avalith
open bluff
tbh the main reason prot worried about resources in 8.0 was IP on gcd
chilly brook
In post 8.1 there is no management it’s just press this when you’re about to cap regardless of if you used something on the gcd
open bluff
and a lack of BoM
neon tangle
I guess a little, in m+ exclusively
@sick sentinel I'm not even trolling, if you like the "manage resources and CDs" BDK has that in spades
open bluff
tbh i lost track of how many times i got rekt mid-gcd because of having to wait for ip in season 1
sick sentinel
Yea i play bdk and i like it a lot
open bluff
once 8.1/s2 hit, the only time i die on woyer is due to dumb shit or lag
sick sentinel
But i played my warr for the first time since WoD i think and i kinda have to get used to being in avatar, not capping, dont overcast IP, use clap every second gcd and stuff like that
Like i have to watch out for more
chilly brook
The only time I die on my warrior is when I get greedy and pull too much because I want big boi numbers
TBH though I’ve really been enjoying vengeance DH 🙃
open bluff
to be fair, warrior is still one of the more "difficult" tanks to play well but that's not a very high bar in BFA
sick sentinel
Same @chilly brook
neon tangle
difficulty is... hard to define
neon tangle
right, BDK is wayyyy more complex to play well, but the failure to play well has less consequences
open bluff
part of BDK though is intentionally screwing up so you can wind up "playing better" with bigger HPS
neon tangle
monk is closer to warrior levels of complexity, but similarly less punished
spice ferry
exactly how complex do you think maintaining ISB is?
open bluff
as long as you have isb up, literally the only thing you have to do is keep an eye on PB for hot trub/HT purposes
sick sentinel
Bdk is definitely not more complex. Your active mit is always up and almost all of your toolkit is reactionary
You survive the hit you’ll be fine
neon tangle
dear friends, I have successfully baited someone who thinks BDK isn't complex
@sick sentinel Please explain the rules for boneshield charges
open bluff
brm is basically a much stronger bdk; the kits are more or less identical
bdk is just more limited by resources
neon tangle
OK, and how does that combine with ossuary?
sick sentinel
That’s why the 6. So you get the DS benefit. It’s like you think I don’t play bdk
And warrior
spice ferry
i mean your completely fine to let ossuary drop as long as you dont DS without it
neon tangle
and avoiding capping runes, and leaving GCDs open for DS, planning and pooling RP for bonestorm, allowing BS charges to drop below 6 because it only matters if you're going to press DS before your next marrowrend
but, yes, way more complex than "press IP if ur gonna cap"
even dealing with whether or not to HS because you need the 2nd rune to come back for marrowrend
sick sentinel
Warrior is more proactive as in you have to understand when mechanics are coming in order to maintain proper mitigation. Bdk mit is simply player interaction and has almost nothing to do with pre CD useage unless it’s a mitigator or magic
chilly brook
I mean tbh I’d say monk is much more similar to warrior than any other tank in how their abilities interact with each other
They just have no fear of death for messing up
sick sentinel
If you don’t have something up as a warrior there is very little you can do to save yourself. DK you can bail yourself out so hard
open bluff
in general yes, but their mitigation model is just a reskinned BDK
chilly brook
Monk is a very well designed class in general
open bluff
ironskin = bone shield, purifying = death strike
neon tangle
Nobody playing any tank at a high level isn't planning ahead or planning their CDs
spice ferry
except you dont give your healers a heart attack every 3 seconds
chilly brook
Their mitigation model isn’t reskinned blood DK at all
open bluff
main difference is you can afford to sit on purifying vs ds
because of how stagger works
spice ferry
the number of times I've had externals thrown on me unnecessarily as a dk... lol
chilly brook
Their “mitigation” is just adding more effectiveness to their actual mitigation
You’re not reducing damage at all
You’re still taking it
tough vault
I love monk tanking but it's just very... monotonous.
chilly brook
It’s just spread out
open bluff
right, but from the perspective of someone who's never played brm
isb/pb are basically simpler versions of marrowrend/death strike in terms of usage
chilly brook
That’s just false though in what they actually are
near kindle
is there a new kblock value in m+ this season after they buffed difficulty of keys?
chilly brook
Granted I get what you’re saying
lunar jackal
Are the punchcards any goos for m+ tanking? They seemed pretty sucky
neon tangle
@open bluff I think the interesting thing about BrM is that unlike every other tank they have something... relatively unique. The rest of us basically have "heal" and "take less damage"
marble cipher
I like my brm, but in M+ I like my warrior more 😄
chilly brook
I think it lost some of its fun play with the loss of the legos and Blackout Combo being nerfed into the ground
Oh
open bluff
i don't disagree; my main complaints about brm are the monotony of the rotation (which 8.2 unfortunately didn't address with essences once hot trub becomes available in pve) and the fact that stagger is just too fucking strong
chilly brook
And with the game deciding to throw brews at you left and right so you don’t really have a real choice to make
neon tangle
its true, not very fun to play
marble cipher
a lot of the BrM fun is gone with the loss of legendaries and the artifact traits, yeah
neon tangle
Like, monk is super duper interesting on paper
but it is just boring af to play in game
chilly brook
Because for some reason someone decided that light brewing was a good idea on top of that straight no chaser trait
open bluff
i've played brm since mop beta; imo the spec was more fun and interactive when stagger was a backup mechanic after shuffle/guard/elusive brew failed rather than the only thing they had
open bluff
(though i also don't advocate for a return to guard being as broken as it was with vengeance/resolve scaling, because that also took away a bit of the fun)
open bluff
honestly bfa brm is the reason i'm playing warrior though; it's interactive and there's an actual chance i could fuck up and die
with my brm i could afk and not die
chilly brook
Blizz just keeps simplifying monk and I don’t like that direction
open bluff
to be fair, they want more people playing it because it's the second least played tank rn (ahead of only VDH, but that's because they completely butchered VDH)
neon tangle
maybe more people would play it if it was fun to play
open bluff
but they also underestimate the player base; we don't want stuff to be simple
well, not as simple as bfa brm
neon tangle
personally speaking, I also think part of it is that stagger generally is... not very interesting(?) until you're doing relatively challenging content
open bluff
stagger is a death by a thousand cuts until you're doing relevant content
it grows in power relative to the content you're doing, and that's a large reason why brm is the progression tank
chilly brook
I’m aware if they intentions on why they changed monk but people don’t play monk not because it was complex but because it doesn’t appeal to them thematically
neon tangle
I'd actually argue that monks are brought because they have bad luck protection built in 😛
open bluff
on the other hand, brm also pays for being so strong early on by not exactly getting stronger later in the tier/season
so you never really feel a sense of progression playing one all tier
neon tangle
plus, hard to fuck up too badly when you're doing content you've never seen before
open bluff
^
open bluff
on the other hand, it also kinda feels bad tanking say conclave week 1 and holding paku the entire time on hc... only to just be given that assignment every hc clear until the next tier
neon tangle
also re: popular tanks, I think that BDK being really fun to play in the open world probably helps keep their numbers high
dense flame
Is the mob dmg reduction low enough to just pull everything?
chilly brook
It’s the same reason why pandaren aren’t that widely picked even though arguably they have one of if not the best pve racial
oblique garnet
yes it is
marble cipher
Still, double food buff 😁
open bluff
...in fact that was the entire reason i went from pandaren to DID on my warrior
neon tangle
Since, e.g. bonestorm, scales with your gear rather than the damage you're taking, and DS has a minimum heal (which also scales with your gear)
open bluff
(fireblood was a bonus i swear)
dense flame
Do you run 2 dps @oblique garnet sorry for pinging again.
chilly brook
I mean I ran 2 DPS with me chainpulling in Mythic islands on my VDH
The damage is pretty laughable
As long as you avoid the big no no aoes
oblique garnet
@dense flame Nah we run with 1 dps + me pulling all the mobs in everywhere except rotting mire where we all use rabbit charms
in the other 2 the 3rd guy goes around collecting with charm
willow scarab
54 yet?
oblique garnet
yeah
willow scarab
hell yeah dude
dense flame
oblique garnet
You have the rank 2 already?
oh wait it comes from 54 neck
I should probably do it XD
willow scarab
I just woke up and there's no new AP on the map 😦
all i can do is mecha/naz quests and then farm islands
oblique garnet
same
willow scarab
I really wish we killed uunat last night so i had bod on sunday
imagine the ranks being the only prot with minor + major + rank 2 crucible
It's pretty pointless farming now tbh
willow scarab
on all difficulties?
oblique garnet
once a week
formal rune
Does it include lfr
oblique garnet
no
rapid jewel
isnt bod 900 per boss, so 8100?
uldir normal gives also 3600 total. for an hour thats not bad.
oblique garnet
uldir normal is 100ap
per boss
its not worth it
you can do more islands than you can clear uldir
tender phoenix
does the Benthic gear get increased with the amount of PM spent on that char? or is it depend on the item?
im asking as my 405 feet cost 15 PM to upgrade and my 385 gloves are 20 to upgrade
rapid jewel
on the item
first step is more expensive then the second, because you gte 15 lvl instead of 5, goes up fast after that
tender phoenix
ok thank you, just needed to clear it up
warm plinth
@rapid jewel Mythic islands are 450 each. Or did you mean the bosses in Uldir?
rapid jewel
bosses in uldir
not sure if it is faster, but a litte change doesnt hurt during island grinds
warm plinth
Yeah islands can be a little tedious
oblique garnet
Islands are chill we are just talking shit while farming islands in like 3-4 minutes
willow scarab
What kinda godcomp are you running
it's 7 minutes for us with the nerf to lootable items
warm plinth
I don't have 2 friends Late. I have to do heroics. Thanks for rubbing that in though 😢
formal rune
Best to run normal or heroic islands
warm plinth
I mean, if he's doing mythics in 4 minutes, that's 6,750 an hour. He'd have to be able to do 24 heroics in the time it takes him to do 15 mythics in order to surpass mythic AP gain
Doubt that's happening
oblique garnet
@willow scarab Hunter pally and warr when its not rotting mire me and hunter just go pull everything while the pally farms with charms
balmy nova
Highborne Compendium of Mystical Bulwark anygood for us you think ?
New trinket inscription
exotic spoke
Ghash you’re a dirty horde aren’t you?
undone sun
As opposed to uptight alliance 😏
rapid jewel
I hate island with randoms, they just follow you like lemmings, while leaving all azerite behind ....
junior ivy
hi
undone sun
Hi
exotic spoke
Hi?
oblique garnet
Hi
sick sentinel
hi
junior ivy
what are you guys doing
jeez i have 72 friends online
everyones playing wow
i never check battle.net
exotic spoke
About to head home from a wake 😦
junior ivy
oh im sorry about the wake 😦
oblique garnet
Doing islands
exotic spoke
Thanks
That’s life for you - what can you do about it
undone sun
Ordering food at a food truck
junior ivy
what kind of food
junior ivy
is that a burrito with hot cheetos
undone sun
Probably
junior ivy
i want it
undone sun
Tortas, basically a sandwich yeah
junior ivy
i wish we had good mexican food in eastern canada.
exotic spoke
Yup and Tortas are delicious
Cuban coffee is amazing too
It’ll give you diabetes but it’s amazing
exotic spoke
Used to live in Florida and it was everywhere
I don’t know how to describe it. The sugar almost caramelizes
I want it now and I’m cutting back sugar / shit food to lose weight
exotic spoke
Yeah. I had a rough year a few years ago and gained a lot of weight. Now it’s time to get rid of it
junior ivy
i lost a shit ton of weight, still eat plenty of sweets, as long as it fits my calorie budget ill eat it
so some days its worth sacrificing a meal for a dessert lol
exotic spoke
It’s all in moderation. Right now I just need to ditch the craving and cut it completely for like 2 weeks
junior ivy
yeh like i dont make anything off limits
ive even eaten 1200 calories of fast food or something
i just stick to the budget and then decide if something is worth it or not
exotic spoke
Yup, I’ve done it before and I can do it again. Just watch portion sizes and I’ll be good
junior ivy
yeh i lost 120 lbs now im just keeping it off
exotic spoke
About 6 years ago I lost 50 pounds and unfortunately I gained it all back that rough year
I wouldn’t be healthy at 120 pounds lol
Oh you lost 120. Very nice man!
junior ivy
yep lost 120
by eating 1200 calories a day
now ill eat up to 2000 per day sometimes, but try and keep it balanced
i'm a short girl so my "maintenance" calories are like 1600.
undone sun
I'm not counting, but intermittent fasting
junior ivy
i do IF too
undone sun
Counting callories
junior ivy
actually i usually do one meal per day
maybe with a snack or something outside that meal
undone sun
Yeh
junior ivy
intermittent fasting is great
undone sun
I definitely wasn't a big eater prior but it's definitely helping
junior ivy
saturdays are my days to not give a shit though
already got a bottle of kraken for this saturday lol
undone sun
Nice
trim bay
have keys got harder yet? or not till raid release
undone sun
Not till S3
trim bay
Sweet. Ty
exotic spoke
My 20 key is a 456% damage and health increase
Which is much higher than previously
trim bay
So untill the raid release, what essence is everyone using? I have read the pinned message. Just curious to know what everyone feels is good. I just did a key with worldbein resonance which had a 38 percent uptime for an AD.
lusty grotto
wut up
hasty dagger
Hey is best served cold gonna take over unstoppable force
hasty dagger
Thanks
sick sentinel
people keep talking about using the "25% crit essence" but the only essence like that i can find is Blood of the Enemy... we can't use it right? even if we swap to fury to pop it in and swap back to prot?
or are they talking about another essence entirely and I'm overlooking some tier 3 benefit on one of the tank ones
sullen flame
Is the new scaling actually in yet? I thought they were waiting for season 3 to put it in.
lusty grotto
scroll up like 7 lines
sullen flame
Mob tooltips say the old numbers, the font says the new numbers. Got some hard proof the new numbers are actually being used in game?
lusty grotto
not sure why you're demanding proof but
i mean you could just put your key in and find out for yourself
sullen flame
We have been, and we don't see a difference. I'm not the one who said scroll up 7 lines.
lusty grotto
well you obviously don't know how to check the scaling percent if you're looking at tooltips
@exotic spoke take it away
lusty grotto
he needs some "hard proof"
oblique garnet
its not noticeable on lower keys
oblique garnet
I would go to ad and show my 19 but im preoccupied right now
exotic spoke
I actually get to sit out tonight
Im happy - dont have to wipe to stupid learning mistakes on Stormwall
oblique garnet
Did all 9 on my warrior on wednesday and 8 today on shammy XD
exotic spoke
TD 20
lusty grotto
is that hard enough proof for you @sullen flame
exotic spoke
Season 2 Scaling - sorry it stops at +15
orchid token
@willow scarab was saying lucid dreams feels nice to play with, even if it's not strictly bis
@trim bay
warm plinth
You know what else feels nice to play with? @lusty grotto
lusty grotto
eh
lusty grotto
what you mean ghash
exotic spoke
somethign something penis?
lusty grotto
hmm
oblique garnet
What key level is that?
sullen flame
Thats a 16, the scaling was 280% on the font
Plus fortified it should have been much higher
oblique garnet
not really
sullen flame
It is
lusty grotto
not scaling info
sullen flame
.
sullen flame
It is on tooltips, not the font
lusty grotto
apparently it has never happened
sullen flame
The font says a 16 is 280%, that would be 291k HP without fortified.
warm plinth
A +16 in 8.1.5 would have been 186%
potent anvil
Assuming the new scaling is, then a 16 should be 279.7% or 280% on the key.
sullen flame
That is what the font says it should be. 280%, but like I said we aren't actually seeing that in keys.
willow scarab
new scaling not effective till raid release?
exotic spoke
and guess what... You just confirmed that a 16 IS 280%!
New scaling is effective right now
warm plinth
Have you compared m0 mob health to +16 mob health (e.g. not using a tooltip)
Because we all know Blizzard tooltips are wildly inconsistent
sullen flame
I just posted 2 pictures, base mob and 16 mob
potent anvil
(1.1^(n-2))-1
This will be the formula when its implemented.
Maybe they just updated the tooltips but are still using the old table until s3 hits.
warm plinth
Sorry I just got here; I didn't notice the 2nd pic.
sullen flame
Nameplate numbers match the tooltip which is still S2 scaling
potent anvil
Right, I said when/if its implemented thats the scaling.
exotic spoke
Sorry Des - was responding to Hightin
potent anvil
Otherwise, maybe they just updated tooltips and still use the s2 table.
sullen flame
S3 scaling is 280% not 250%, plus fortified
exotic spoke
a 15 is +172% in Season 2. I dont think a season 2 16 is 250%
oblique garnet
^
exotic spoke
Which leads me to suspect that 250% is... Season 3! Hooraay!
potent anvil
Is fortified, +20% health or +30%?
sullen flame
Would be, except for the fortified. That mob in season 3 should have 350k hp on a fortified 16
20
exotic spoke
Except for the fact that if a 15 in season 2 is +172... a 16 is something like 200. Fortified doesnt add 50% health
oblique garnet
16 was 186
warm plinth
Yeah. If +15 is 1.72, 1.72*1.08 = 186
exotic spoke
So Fortified DEFINITELY didn't add +64%
potent anvil
A 16 in season 2 is 193.72% or 194%.
Have to use the formula.
warm plinth
So s2 formula is (1.08^(n-2))-1?
potent anvil
yeah
warm plinth
How would fort be factored in? Just the total * 1.2? or?
potent anvil
It's multiplicative, so yeah just 1.2 or w/e it is. I don't recall offhand
warm plinth
The 252% is correct, but that wouldn't be what a +16 is in S3 unless the scaling isn't actually 10% per level. Because before fort a +16 would be 280% (in s3) which should make his +16 mob have 291,129HP before fort
potent anvil
Yeah, I'm not sure where the discrepancy is. I have only done one m+ and haven't paid much attention to changes. I'll take a look at it next time I'm in one.
warm plinth
Oh, no I figured it out. That is actually still S2 scaling.
76613+(76613 x 1.94)=225,242 (which is S2 scaling for a +16). 225,242*1.2 is 270,290
So it's still S2 scaling despite what the font says
potent anvil
Ah ok, that makes sense.
Yeah, it would make sense for them to just update the tooltips but havent actually changed the scaling until s3 actually lands.
warm plinth
Agreed. @exotic spoke @oblique garnet I can math 😄
Hightin was right; it's S2 scaling
potent anvil
Imagine people doing keys in s2 still 🤔
sullen flame
Thanks for looking at it @warm plinth, we were talking about it all night in guild but no one could figure out how the scaling actually works with fortified. I don't feel like I'm taking anymore damage, just the normal fortified teeming BS, but a feeling isn't really proof of anything.
warm plinth
All good; I was just bored tbh lol.
potent anvil
If anything, essences make s2 keys pretty easy. So push if you want now, should be fun
sharp night
the tooltip is correct for s2 too
warm plinth
Yeah, the tooltip is; the font isn't though
oblique garnet
sphere probably
potent anvil
I'm currently using sphere, but I'm lazy and like the minor. The major is fine too, defensively.
willow scarab
Ripple for damage, sphere/aegis for tank?