protection

[sick sentinel]

out*

[rocky stump]

I guess I could have been at high earthlink, I genuinely forgot earthlink existed. Still though, that alone shouldn't send my damage above yours

[oblique garnet]

my avatar crits are hitting 28k

[willow scarab]

What the fuck

[hazy dust]

I have my details from 19 UR and 20 FH last night can confirm 40k crits were a thing.

[sick sentinel]

food+flask+monk+bshout i just hit several 25's which is exactly what I should be hitting for given the napkin maths

[strong forum]

Nobody is doubting 8.1.5 crits

We're talking 8.2 crits

[sick sentinel]

dont forget, battle pots are ~12-13% bigger hits

they turn a 26k into a 29.4k

[strong forum]

More like 10, but ye

[sick sentinel]

math, my 418 ilvl has 7600 str

7300 sry

[strong forum]

I have 8.1k

At 418

Cuz 3x TC

[sick sentinel]

fair, TC stacked it would be lower

would be 11.1% in your case

[rocky stump]

@willow scarab, I'd also try hitting some dummies with one of the other talents n that row and seeing what your thunderclap crits hit for. If you crit higher without UF, you know for sure it's bugged. If not I guess there's nothing to do but wait till you're at conclave again to know for sure. I really cannot understand why yours would be hit so much harder than ours

[sick sentinel]

I've still no clue how full-buffed you'd be in the 19's though, I'm there naked

[stark ruin]

a quick question: is Operation:Mechagon already open, or it'll open with season 3?

[full spruce]

7,399 at 420 static

[strong forum]

@stark ruin s3

[stark ruin]

😦

thanks

[sick sentinel]

Now, this does leave room for variance, assuming Fumeiyo is hitting for 19k in that screenshot, he has no bshout, no monk, no potion, at his current gear and strength levels that would be 19x1.1x1.05x1.13 which would mean, all those active, his crits should be 24.8.

divide the 24.8 by 1.3 to get rid of new avatar multiplier and multiply by 2.0 to get old multiplier, that would be old avatar crits of 38.15 full buff inside of battle pot window

you've really gotta make all things equal to see if you're bugged though, buff up like you were in your logs, if you dont have a monk multiply end dmg by 1.05

if you ran a battle potion of strength, pop one on the dummy when demo and avatar are both up

[willow scarab]

lmao did i really not have bshout up

[sick sentinel]

also, fumei

I see a 12k noncrit there

if you math out that 12k, you'd be over 48k on the old avatar buff

and with everything up your top end crits would be 30-31k

[willow scarab]

I've hit over 50k before when i was a dwarf

So yes i believe that

[sick sentinel]

with the new buff

[willow scarab]

no, in 8.1.5

[sick sentinel]

Ya, old i napkin mathed that 12k up to 48k with monk, bshout, battle pot

which as you say is realistic for what you were seeing back then

i'm seeing your strength as ~7500, battle potions are exactly 12% dmg bumps for you right now

bshout is obvi 10%, monk 5%, all stack multiplic

multiply it all by the 12k regular i can see in ss, then double it for a crit, and you should theoretically be able to see a 31.05k crit

and god only knows where that 12k is in terms of your variance lol

that's what logs are for 😛

[livid oriole]

best equip from the new manapearl items? you suggest boots?

[willow scarab]

well that's cool

rank 1 warrior world

[spice ferry]

dang son

[sick sentinel]

Grats on that XD, Just did a couple rounds on dummies with everything but monk, my traits are crap and I'm getting 22k crits every go

old food, old flask, old enchants

1xbom, 1xDC

[strong forum]

So turns out, fumei is getting old

Is what I'm getting at?

[sick sentinel]

the DC should be about 1200 top-end each, the BoM would take me more time to math, but they're lots

tldr I think Fum might be fine XD pretty rare that these things effect individual people

[strong forum]

BTW @willow scarab how are the new islands, can you finally just mongo pull and not have to worry about getting 1shot?

[chilly brook]

Hi Fum 😃

[willow scarab]

I just use Rabbit Charm's

[strong forum]

Ah.

[willow scarab]

I don't remember the last time I died on islands though

[strong forum]

Ye I have like 10 left :haja:

[willow scarab]

I did some PvP islands today and just giga pulled

you just run a circle around the mobs and it's gg

[strong forum]

They nerfed islands mob dmg by ton apparently

[willow scarab]

Only managed to get a new island once and it's really, really cool in comparrison

[strong forum]

So I hope I can just d3 style grind mobs

For chill ap grind, without having to worry about random cunts just doing 80% of max HP with a single ability

Haven't done islands since uldir so. Yeah

[willow scarab]

True

They seem as chill as ever

Very easy

[chilly brook]

Winning an Epic BG for this essence is frustrating

[willow scarab]

I just can't find anyone with charms to farm with me zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

The trick is to get a 5 man squad of 420 ilvl from your guild and then just pile it down mid in ashran

[strong forum]

I missed the last opportunity to grab like 400 charms because I forgot islands exist

And ap will have to be grinded again

[willow scarab]

biggest rip

[strong forum]

Man I don't wanna grind ap again...

Feels so good to not have to do WQs

[spice ferry]

is the new one the ghost one?

[sick sentinel]

I only did a PvP island but it was one of the new ones and I was pulling 8+ elites at a time without a scratch

[spice ferry]

if so seemed cool

[chilly brook]

waiting 20 minutes to lose anm Epic BG is aids

[oblique garnet]

tfw i already ran out of things to do

mechagon had too little quests imo

[marble cipher]

I still need to start my stuff!

Also, you mentioned you had 5 essences @oblique garnet , do we have an "easy" list of the ones you can already get?

[lime lodge]

does anyone know if you can get the Aqueous Religuarys in tank spec

[oblique garnet]

i mean the only reason i have 5 essences is because i managed to get in 2 days worth of dailies for followers to get lucid

[marble cipher]

kek, how'd you manage that 🤔

[oblique garnet]

Eu servers were up with the patch before reset

[sand relic]

is unstoppable force still best for m+ and raiding ?

[marble cipher]

lol

[sick sentinel]

Lucid, free one, Islands one, battlegrounds, kill 25 opposing faction in nazj quest

[sand relic]

any 1 kno ?

[sick sentinel]

then the two rep ones in the next day or two

[marble cipher]

@sick sentinel thanks!

[sick sentinel]

After that, we wait for Raid week for the raid essence, the mythic+ essence, the pvp cache essence and the mechagon essence

[marble cipher]

Now to do all of that on three chars....

[sick sentinel]

it was previously thought the pvp cache essence we could get next tuesday but they hotfixed in a change that now say's it requires season 3

[marble cipher]

Conflict one?

[sick sentinel]

indeed

[marble cipher]

ah, didn't see that change, also thought it would be next chest

ah well

Going for all the stuff on warr first I guess, seems there's more fun stuff for warrior than there is for my BrM (who just wants the quest essence and be done with it for now =D)

[sick sentinel]

Big to do list is to pick up the quest for Sphere of suppression, queue into a pvp island, finish off the islands after you get pvp island win

then queue regular and epic battlegrounds, toggle warmode and go kill in nazjatar to get 25 kills in nazj while you wait for queues

[marble cipher]

can't access wowhead at work, but, the SoS quest, where'd you get that? Is that the one you get from the small pvp area with the weekly chest?

[sick sentinel]

Yeah

[oblique garnet]

mugambala iirc

[marble cipher]

👌

thanks

[sick sentinel]

I believe it auto-generates when you queue a bg

but I'm not sure, I got mine manuallly

[oblique garnet]

Wouldnt bet on it

[marble cipher]

Indie company!

[sick sentinel]

if you do them in that order, a few hours with any luck will get you 3 essences

MAKE SURE YOU PICK UP THE QUEST FOR 25 KILLS WHEN YOU ZONE INTO NAZJ

three guildies never picked it up, finished our guild zergfest and said "where do i get the essence" facepalm

The war mode event in nazjatar is pretty good fun, too right now and the first victory in that I believe got me a hit of reputation

[exotic spoke]

RIP

[marble cipher]

that quest "pops" or is it something you take in Nazj?

[sick sentinel]

there's a quest giver right by the port in for it, Shini, if warmode is enabled

[oblique garnet]

you have to take it

[marble cipher]

👌

[sick sentinel]

^

[marble cipher]

good stuff here, thanks!

[exotic spoke]

Yesterday was a shit show for world pvp

[chilly brook]

lmao about to win a defensive wintergrasp

[sick sentinel]

We had a 50 second lockup in ashran, when it ended we were down 50 and they were on back flag

We won by 20 reinforcements an hour later

It was aweful lol

[chilly brook]

What's the 25 kills for in Naz?

[sick sentinel]

The first few hours every big was a total lag fest but the epics were just bad

Worldvein or something like that I think, PC is running windows update

I lied, ripple

Worldvein is islands

[chilly brook]

ripple is the tp one yea?

[sick sentinel]

hello guys, off topic question, but i do not know where to ask....quest gather friends, hot to get to the place to make this quest?

Yup

[chilly brook]

On the 50k honor for rank 2 of the pvp ones, does that count the honor you already have or is it 50k honor from that point?

[sick sentinel]

Not sure, search for the feat of strength achievements and you can check progress

[chilly brook]

Well won a defensive Wintergrasp

pepega

Now I gotta do a pvp island oof

[exotic spoke]

It’s 50k honor in season 3

[chilly brook]

oof

I mean not too bad but still oof

[sick sentinel]

What you do now counts toward it

[strong forum]

Thank god the pvp Essence is dog :^)

[sick sentinel]

I have 5k/ so far

[chilly brook]

It's not dog for vengeance xD

[strong forum]

Really now

Haven't looked into other tanks essences yet

Ohno. Are the essences account wide? I reckon not

Cba that, ima only use lucid dream and VoP/anima on all tanks

[sick sentinel]

I think the rank 2 plus will be account cause most of them are from achieves from what I gathered

But friend said rank ones don't share

[strong forum]

That's a weird system

You only get the good ones

Not the bad ones

:^)

[oblique garnet]

@strong forum youre thinking of conflict and stride that one is meh sphere which you get from bgs and shit is good

[strong forum]

I ain't going through bgs

Ima just use lucid and veins or smth until VoP + lucid

Cba putting effort into smth that's gonna be almost irrelevant in 2 weeks

[lusty grotto]

I was wondering about sphere last night

Cause I had no quest for it

So I decided not to queue

[exotic spoke]

By the way, several bosses are bugged on BoD

Maybe it’ll be fixed for you EU folks for tonight

[oblique garnet]

God i hope so

[exotic spoke]

Mekkatorque just didn’t do works enlarger and we ended up with 4-5 bots before intermission

On both pulls last night

[lusty grotto]

This 👏 is 👏 why 👏 you 👏 do 👏 retroactive 👏 tests

[exotic spoke]

Don’t know if it’s different or not but the timing on sea swells felt off.

And heard Jaina was randomly casting shit

Oh, also on stormwall -! Sometimes Katherine would just start channeling on pull

But; mekkatorque down bitches - even if we killed the super nerfed version it still feels good

[spice ferry]

jaina diferent

[blazing prism]

idk didnt seem that different. p1 is a little weird but didnt notice anything past that

mekka fairly fucked

[exotic spoke]

I’m just going by what I heard. Mekkatorque and stormwall has issues

Mekkatorque was great. We saw the cast bar go off and no one got shrunk

[blazing prism]

yea could be true. did a full clear earlier tho and everything seemed fine besides mekka which has a fake shrink

stormwall seemed exact same

[exotic spoke]

Wonder how we sometimes go instant channeling and sometimes didn’t

Like literally - on pull they’d start channeling and we’d get zero mechanics.

Other times we’d get mechanics for a bit and then channeling

[spice ferry]

p1 is 100% a different spell order

[exotic spoke]

You need revered for pathfinder right?

[strong forum]

@exotic spoke that stormwall bug has been there for ages

It's not due to 8.2 we had that multiple times in 8.1.5 where the instantly start channeling on pull

[silent wasp]

Hello

What is the status abour War prot ?

[chilly brook]

If you have to ask it probably won’t matter to you where it’s at 😜

But to answer the question prot is fine still top tier tanks

[exotic spoke]

Ok @strong forum thanks for the info. We didn’t know / just started doing stormwall

[chilly brook]

Oddly enough this essence thing might actually get me back into doing pvp

[rapid jewel]

@exotic spoke happens if the pulls on the boats are async

[exotic spoke]

Interesting ok

Channeling side pulled first or second?

[rapid jewel]

no, second what i noticed, but not everyfime, just do a pull kick on both sides 😃

[exotic spoke]

Makes sense

[silent wasp]

Is prot pally the top 1 ? 😂 I have all tanks, I just want one to push keys in few weeks

[willow scarab]

Wait for the 445 gear to know for sure

prot pally looks giga

[silent wasp]

Bear too 😩

[exotic spoke]

So does warrior lol

[silent wasp]

I think, its the only one which can wpvp

[exotic spoke]

Prot Pally prot warrior and bear (in no particular order) are my predictions.

I’ll be sticking with warrior cause I have one toon at max level

[silent wasp]

Yes bdk and vdh still meh

[mortal carbon]

Sadkitty

[exotic spoke]

I mean BDKs are good. I wouldn’t say just meh.

[sick sentinel]

Situationally bdks are insane

But they are just that. Situational

[exotic spoke]

There still a solid viable choice. Definitely above VDH

Especially for higher keys

[night crow]

is everybody else still having issues with elvui?

[sick sentinel]

Why does prot pally look so good

I think pally will be average

[sand egret]

Avenging Wrath is a nutso ability+ Essence that increases uptime of said nutso ability

already a good tank, but that's one hell of a cherry

[lusty grotto]

what do you mean still having issues, i had no issues

i updated elvui yesterday and 0 problems

[naive panther]

Bdk was fun till the overnerf

[sand egret]

For the Anima of Life and Death essence: "Azerite energy courses through your veins, increasing maximum health by 2,771 every 5 sec, stacking up to 10 times. While at maximum stacks, heal for 1,751 health every 5 sec.
Gain a stack of Anima of Life when you kill an enemy that yields experience or honor." Does it just tick up to 27k at 10 stacks at that rate, and the "on kill" thing just allows you to get those stacks faster than once per 5 sec?

[sudden tapir]

ew

[strong forum]

I think if you kill 10 things you insta have 10 stacks

And you have instantly 27k more HP and heal the 1.7k every 5 sec

Or its literally just starting to stack after you kill smth and you don't get additional stacks

[sand egret]

I'm thinking it's probably the first thing, tbh. Just a way to not have to wait the 50 seconds to gain the benefit, seeing as it's a M+ essence, that totally falls in line with how things work in dungeons.

[strong forum]

Oh yeh, you can't even get the stacks in raid

Unless the boss has adds

[lime mantle]

Literally using havoc as tank is above VDH.
Also, V I S I O N+BoM memes

[willow scarab]

Has anyone cleared bod mythic

in this chat

this week

[sick sentinel]

Like since essences?

[willow scarab]

yeah

[sick sentinel]

I raid in 4,5 hours

[willow scarab]

I'll be asleep but can you report back with your logs / feelings with essence and nerf

A typically bad prot warrior from my server currently has top 5 on every boss and 2 rank 1s

I wanna figure out if he's nailed the patch or if something is wrong

[sick sentinel]

Oh, idk if I'll be tanking or not tho

[supple plover]

My friend did and mentioned mek is bugged. He is not shrinking people at times. Cast goes off and nothing happens

That and p1 jaina being consistent for ability usage were the only thing discussed

[willow scarab]

I've heard of the bugs with the fights

pretty shitty tbh

[supple plover]

Very easy to only get 1 frost nova in p1 jaina now also

[willow scarab]

I was hoping for more dps / ranking input

So I can plan my run ahead

[oblique garnet]

@willow scarab Want me to run lucid ?

Can also run all the others

[willow scarab]

Lucid is simming low on bloodmallet but bloodmallet is also showing weird data

[oblique garnet]

Yh dont think lucid is gonna be showing too strong with just that one

[willow scarab]

I think crucible will be top dps

i wanna know numbers

current rank 1 for champs is 24k, down from 36k

grong is like 16k

warcraftlogs isn't updated to show essences either

How long until your raid? I'm doing uunat but my raid isn't for 17 hours

[oblique garnet]

in 2 hours

[unborn island]

wait a second, I've eben well out of the loop, when can I get vision of perfetcion? Is there some kinda timegate?

[shut summit]

Comes from mechagon dungeon

[unborn island]

and, Mechagon is out now? or do i need to wait?

I have worked too much this last week

[light ledge]

mechagon is out

[willow scarab]

Mechagon dungeon is not out, the island is out

visions not available till raid relese

[light ledge]

?

[unborn island]

ah fucksticks

[light ledge]

Ive seen a couple of groups in group finder

for mechagon dungeon

[unborn island]

got me excited there

[light ledge]

http://prntscr.com/o70ymw

[willow scarab]

I don't know what you're seeing but you can't access the dungeon

[light ledge]

i guess group finder is bugged then

if u can select it

[willow scarab]

you can

go try to make a group

[primal sable]

when is mechagon available

with raid in 2 weeks?

[strong forum]

@willow scarab my TC is 10k noncrit inside avatar

didnt crit yet, was literally my only dmg i did currently

[willow scarab]

big yikes

fun patch

[exotic spoke]

It definitely feels bad

[strong forum]

and that was withprepot

and demo

but then again i dont have any mastery or vers

[willow scarab]

my buddy parsemonger ran a sim showing vers as slightly behind haste as a dps trait for 8.2 bis

crit >> haste > vers >> mastery for damage

basically as good as haste

[strong forum]

hm

but i still do 16k ST

so im fine

[late imp]

what essence is good to tank ?

[tough mulch]

vision of perfection seems like the best one

but its not out yet

are prot warriors still mythic keystone gods

or is our DPS poo now

[willow scarab]

poo

[tough mulch]

rip

i just spent like a month catching my warrior to up to be my main account

maybe ill switch to DPS or something

[exotic spoke]

We’ll be fine in m+. Our dps will likely be around paladin / Druid which is still top tier dps.

Our mitigation is better too.

[mental scarab]

Woaw @strong forum thats rly low mastery, im sittning with 43% i think🤔

[lusty grotto]

🤷

[willow scarab]

43% is very very high

you must have mastery on every item

[loud thunder]

whats the best pot to use for prot? offensive wise

[willow scarab]

haven't tested new pots

str pot was the best

[strong forum]

i have 300 mastery and vers

which is pretty much as low as it gets

[exotic spoke]

Think I’m at 31% mastery and stupid low vers

Yeah 4% vers

[lusty grotto]

new str pot is 1215 str

will have to see how the unbridaled fury one does

[hasty nova]

I can't wait for the meta lords to figure everything out. The uncertainty is killing me!

[lusty grotto]

there are 4 potentially good pots

unbridled fury looks like it will be kinda meh

[willow scarab]

tfw 4th highest neck in the world atm

[hasty nova]

I think i will safely try to just do everything until three weeks. at which point I can focus on certain items / reps

[willow scarab]

i should probably sleep

I wish I had friends to do islands with

[hasty nova]

what is highest neck ?

55?

[willow scarab]

53.65

i'm 53.27

[mental scarab]

@willow scarab yea prty much have some other gear with more crit for necrotic weeks

[hasty nova]

oh wow nij

I had a buddy run me thorugh mythic plus with rabbit charm

mythic plus. sorry mythic islands

no sleep here

[willow scarab]

i have 700 but no friends with charms to famr mythic with

gonna go smoke and sleep

good luck everyone raiding in the next few hours

post results here

[exotic spoke]

Several people in my m+ group have a stockpile of those charms. May get to farming or may level an alt with them

[hasty nova]

level an alt?

as in level a dps warrior?

XD

[exotic spoke]

Need an herbalist. Currently have alchemy and blacksmithing. Need new herb / ore

[hasty nova]

ah a warrior herbalist

because ur current warrior is alch /bs

[exotic spoke]

Why would I level a dps war. My first alt at max level (ever) was a second prot warrior (goblin - since I normally play alliance)

[hasty nova]

Syntax Error

[exotic spoke]

But yeah - have a Druid / dk at 110 from boosts may level those for herbalism and mining

Maybe I can even get @lusty grotto to carry my alt on nimchy

[lusty grotto]

Nimchy is currently retired

[exotic spoke]

But would nimchy come out of retirement for Deadriki or Riiki

[lusty grotto]

i gotta be honest im not sure nimchy knows those people

[exotic spoke]

What if Riki introduced nimchy to them

[lusty grotto]

i will ask

[tough vault]

Benthic azerite gear doesn’t really have nice traits that prot wants to build with, does it?

Not sure if I should invest 📈

[exotic spoke]

I don’t know what benthic has. Does it have BoM and at least one pieces with DC?

If not - then don’t use it unless it’s an Ilvl upgrade

[tough vault]

Yeah I went prot for main tanking new raid, so my gear rn hovers around 400. Looking for ez upgrades

I checked the traits but as said, to me they didnt look any better than I have already

Then again im a prot scrub so I could be wrong 👌🏻

[exotic spoke]

If they are a higher Ilvl use them anyway

What traits did they have?

[lusty grotto]

i mean

if its higher ilvl

just use it

ilvl > traits

[tough vault]

Theyll be higher ilvl if I drop the currency in :p

[lusty grotto]

benthic is pretty easy to upgrade

yeah

the currency is not that hard to farm

(keep in mind you also need 5x15 of it for the profession bs)

bs as in bullshit not in blacksmith :p

[exotic spoke]

Yeah it’s bullshit. I need like 6 more. Couldn’t stay up any later last night to do them

[lusty grotto]

yup

at least its a one time thing if im not wrong

[exotic spoke]

I think so.

[tough vault]

profession BS? I'm planning to do that on another char until I have my rep on my new main

as in new recipes right?

[spice musk]

which essence should i get for the first atm ? i have raid today. And which Weaopn Enchant still Deadly ? Our Enchanter cann all new things

[warm plinth]

"still Deadly" wut

[strong forum]

deadly is only for necrotic m+ weeks

[warm plinth]

Are you in the right channel?

[spice musk]

whoups i meants quick

[exotic spoke]

I mean - just use the basic one. It’ll be fine imo. I’m going for lucid dreams for tomorrow’s raid. Don’t think you can get that day one anyway

[spice musk]

and which weaopn enchants

[exotic spoke]

[errant lodge]

So... we keep the same traits or avatar is not good enough now?

[grand drum]

Whats the proc rate of vision of perfection?

[exotic spoke]

You can’t get vision of perfection yet and I don’t know

Avatar is still really good.

[strong forum]

bis boots?

[exotic spoke]

No socket 😦

[strong forum]

well you cant really get socket on it can you

but the increased crit dmg sounds insane

[exotic spoke]

I’ve had sockets in some items. Not sure if it’s consistent or not

And yes it does

[oblique garnet]

Sphere is pretty good

the major is completely useless in raids but the minor is 80-90% uptime

[exotic spoke]

Getting rank 2 in worldvein tonight and lucid rank 1 tonight too

[oblique garnet]

Worldvein would be better probably but we dont have enough people who have done that yet

[exotic spoke]

Truth. Not a lot of time to have that done before raid.

Lucid takes about 10 days of consistently doing the follower quests to get rank 2.

Allegedly worldvein takes roughly 5 islands to do

For rank 2

[rotund heart]

Really that long? Is the number of map drops per island random? I did it in 3(5maps each island)

[exotic spoke]

One person did it in 1

[oblique garnet]

worldvein rank 2 takes 3 mythic islands

[exotic spoke]

In my guild

According to him.
Maybe the 5 was heroic for some reason?

The 5 was heroic. He did it when literally no one else was on

[sacred roost]

we switching to the naga hide enchant?

or still using the other?

[oblique garnet]

Force multiplier is pretty good

it can proc the str + 2 other secondary stats at the same time

[young rose]

Is it just me or do we generate less rage?

like...alot less rage?

[neon tangle]

@exotic spoke that’s the follower at rank 3 right?

I played like an hour and I’m at 2.5

[exotic spoke]

Yeah rank 1 is follower at level 3.
I got 2 last night and couldn’t get any more

[lunar spade]

Sooo , Naga hide is bis enchant ?

[exotic spoke]

for weapons? No

[lunar spade]

or is force multiplier better

[exotic spoke]

[warm plinth]

It'll still be Quick Nav

[lunar spade]

sad life

[warm plinth]

Only thing that's really changed for us as far as enchants/gems/etc is that we use one of the new strength gems, whereas we didn't use the str gem before

[astral geyser]

anyone tried mythic jaina, is her P1 spell queue gonna stay like this?

[trail whale]

her p1 spell queing was fine when i killed it last night

only mekka was really busted going into his transition

[sand egret]

Started doing the Nazjatar stuff late last night and was sitting there pulling a few early mobs as usual and looking at these pathetic damage numbers going "hmph....them nerfs feel not so good"....then I finally noticed that those stupid Naga brutes do that 30% damage dealt reduction cast....wooops

[analog swift]

Mekka was bugging all last night. Never cast the second world enlarger

[exotic spoke]

Yup. Still nerfed compared to pre patch imo

Our first Kill on second pull

[sick sentinel]

so i did all the quests in mecha and nazjatar, am i good for now?

[uneven wave]

this was probably asked a million times already, but how bad was the dps nerf in m+?

[chilly brook]

It’s in the pins

[uneven wave]

pins dont really say anything, just links to icy veins saying nothing match has changed which i already knew...i was looking for overall damage drop off due to nerf

[ionic fern]

There's a pin down there. 🤔

[chilly brook]

It literally does say something

[junior ivy]

hi

[chilly brook]

Exactly what you wanted

[ionic fern]

Hi

[trail whale]

the spec also still feels literally the exact same. On top of that the essences even the mediocre one you get just for unlocking the heart forge makes up for the lost ST dps

[mortal carbon]

stealing aggro from your other tank is rip

sadkitty

for the rest prot is super fine

[junior ivy]

is wow fun

[mortal carbon]

dunno i'm just here to not lose my raidspot

[exotic spoke]

So. Very important question

I need a drink tonight - prefer not beer for tonight. Any recommendations

[sick sentinel]

red bull vodka

[exotic spoke]

I’m not a child

But I appreciate the input

[rocky stump]

Tea with gin

Unless you're also not an old lady. Pick a lane!

[exotic spoke]

Lol

Gin is alright

[rocky stump]

Are the essence sims still broken af?

[ionic fern]

Not all of the essences are yet implemented for Prot Warriors on the backside of SIMC.

[exotic spoke]

Would it be safe to assume the majors ones are?

Major meaning ones we think will be good*

[rocky stump]

I know had lucid dreams showing up as a dps loss last night, seems like they aren't quite right

[uneven wave]

you have to scroll down a quarter of a page to see that pin, AINT NO ONE GOT TIME FOR THAT

[oblique garnet]

lucid itself doesnt bring us that much offensive value

[ionic fern]

@exotic spoke no. 😃

[rocky stump]

Yeah, but it shouldn't lower dps compared to not having an essence I think that's a goof

Vision of perfection numbers also seemd way low but tbf it's not fully real yet so that's understandable

[chilly brook]

There are literally four pins

I’m sorry you don’t have time to shift through four pins

[exotic spoke]

Whomp whomp mwahi Thanks

[chilly brook]

On mobile it’s actually right as you open the pins you can see it

🙃

[ionic fern]

VoP is NOT implemented.

[exotic spoke]

To be fair... it isn’t “implemented” in game either

[oblique garnet]

@willow scarab So i tested both lucid and flame , where flame good damage itself as essence sphere major while useless gets outshined by the minor because you will have 80-90% uptime on the haste buff both were really close to each other id say switching between these two depending on fights might be what you want to do, unless everyone in your raid has worldvein then it would be the best

[lime mantle]

Any way to self heal?
Asking because I keep dying in raids even if I take 50%~ less damage than the other tank (bear) and heal myself 60-80% of what he heals and at this point idk if I am bad or what.
I’ll post logs in #449510248579858432 later if that’s helpful

[undone sun]

not reliably

[tough vault]

Block more?

Logs would deffo help

Could also be the healers hate you

[lime mantle]

I spend a lot of time at <20-30HP and don’t get topped off in 6+ GCDs then get whittled and die cuz I can self heal

[tough vault]

Any specific fights come to mind?

[lime mantle]

Rasyakhan

Primarily on the bobsalami to rasta switch on mythic

[undone sun]

warrior isn't about recovery, almost entirely about proactive defensives, reliable healing comes from external sources

[chilly brook]

@lime mantle I mean tbh blame your healers

[still aurora]

Is there any likely chance for the Meka punch card trinket to be decent early raid? Is it worth a mythic raider chasing at all?

[trail whale]

that's a scary point of the fight. especially if you get hit by the no healing debuff as you swap and take rasta

[lime mantle]

I keep getting shat on by the dot doing 100k damage

[tough vault]

Rasta has lots of magic damage too right

Not fun

[lime mantle]

@chilly brook they insist it’s because and i quote “I wear dps gear”

[trail whale]

i'm gonna guess you tank bwonsamdi first and are talkign about the 2nd time you swap with your cotank

[sand egret]

sounds like something bad healers would say

[chilly brook]

I remember trialing with a guild on Mythic Fetid and doing everything I could on my end and still spending all of the time between thrashes not being healed up

[trail whale]

iirc (sorry it's been like 4 months since i progged that boss) there's a poitn where you're at ~42-45 stacks and bwonsamdi is queuing up the no heal debuff at the same time as a scorchign detonation

and if your cotank doesn't get in range to taunt before that cast you have to basically blow every major dr to survive tanking rasta for 5-8 seconds

[lime mantle]

At this point I am@trying to see if@it’s me because I am just tired of being insulted and harassed because “it’s my fault” but never seeing any proof

[chilly brook]

Prot warrior is a spec where you notice your heals not doing what they should be

[lime mantle]

Because when I read skada I don’t see myself taking a lot@of@damahe

[rocky stump]

I think healers just get used to prot being durable enough they're shocked and uprepared when they actually need to actively heal us.

[lime mantle]

And somehow in dungeons other than shitting up aggro during reap sometimes most healers say I do p. Ok (15-17 keys)

[tough vault]

At some point it becomes a blame game. You can’t do much more than block and use defensives at the right time.

[lime mantle]

Healers are used to Bdk and Paladin

[rocky stump]

Most of my deaths, when I look at a log, I haveb't gotten a targeted heal on me in like 40 seconds before I go down smdh

[lime mantle]

And dudu tank

[undone sun]

those healers are living in hte past

[tough vault]

Druid is much like monk right? Just slowly dies instead of spiking

[undone sun]

not as extreme

but that's the theoretical goal for it

[chilly brook]

Druid spikes

[undone sun]

definitely more spikey

[sand egret]

A warrior can do an amazing job making the healers job easier. A warrior can't DO the healers job, like some other tanks can.

[lime mantle]

Our Dudu heals asap when he isn’t actively tanking

He has the same passive heal as our healers

[chilly brook]

But they also have a self heal to help mitigate the spike

[undone sun]

well yeah, they have a relatively big heal as their main mitigation

that's part of their kit, half proactive, half reactive

warrior is almost entirely proactive

so recovery isnt up to you

[sand egret]

unless its explosive week

😃

[chilly brook]

Basically your heals are used to not having to do all the leg work

[lime mantle]

Idk at this point I am thinking of using impending victory

[undone sun]

dont

that wont help

guaranteed

[chilly brook]

I was spoiled with my healers in the guild I came into the expansion with

[lime mantle]

For those sick “let’s not heal the tank times xD”

[sand egret]

it'll turn that 6+ gcds then dead to 7+

[chilly brook]

I realized how many bad healers there were after that guild died

Y’all got any of them resto Druids in your raid?

[lime mantle]

Yes

We had 3 in one try

[chilly brook]

Cuz those are probably my second favorite healers as prot

[lime mantle]

I asked them to try boomkin affinity for the range so they could heal from outside Rasta circle

They told me to kys

[tough vault]

If the tank dies it’s their own (or off tank) fault if they fuck up mechanics. Same if they take damage that’s preventable. If they die due to lack of focus heals.. well it’s easy to point out the culprit 😂

[trail whale]

they don't need to take balance affinity to heal you

[chilly brook]

Lmao sounds like a toxic ass raid

[trail whale]

if you position properly

[lime mantle]

Asked to a Dudu friend later and he told me boomkin affinity was used there

[trail whale]

if you're out of healing range without them being able to heal you from outside circle you're positioned wrong

[lime mantle]

I am as far out as I can be without movin bob

[oblique garnet]

Resto druids not running boomkin affinity on rastakhan 🤔

[lime mantle]

6% DR>>>Boomie affinity according to them

[sand egret]

well according to them, you're also in "dps gear"

jus sayin'!

[chilly brook]

Prot doing damage=DPS gear

Duh

[sand egret]

at the end of the day, if you're sitting at 6+ gcds without getting a heal there is either a mechanic preventing it or a healer not triaging you

[rocky stump]

All druids should run boomy affinity at all times. If you don't have flap, why even be druid?

[chilly brook]

You ever compare the dtps to your other tank?

And throw that in their face?

[lime mantle]

Yes

[trail whale]

it's hard to say without looking at the logs, but it's most likely they aren't topping you off before you get the no healing debuff, or the tank swap on rasta isn't being handled properly and you're getting extra stacks/healing debuff when you transition

[lime mantle]

They just mock me and ignore it

[chilly brook]

Sounds like a toxic raid environment

[trail whale]

beyond that there really isn't shit a prot warrior can do on that fight to survive harder

[chilly brook]

Probably just don’t want you in the raid tbh, been there dealt with it

[lime mantle]

I think these are today logs

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/hmgcYHaxjDdLCrf1/

I know my traits will trigger Kaege tho

Just lazy to change them from m+

[tough vault]

Im just here waiting with 🍿

[chilly brook]

Used to get a lot of shit from one raid because I pissed off the guild leaders brother because he didn’t like that I pulled threat from him because I wanted to parse as a tank 🤔

[trail whale]

i don't htink these are the right logs unless you're a vengeance dh and i missed it

[lime mantle]

I doubt it’s that’s they are mad at me

I am prot but at some point we switched to vdh

As said before

[trail whale]

ah missed that

you got a pull specifically you want looked at in this?

[chilly brook]

I mean I didn’t know they were mad at me either until someone told me they were trying to deliberately push me out

[lime mantle]

Seems I was taking more damage and skada was wrong I’ll check logs instead of skada

[trail whale]

uhh lets see i'm lookin at wipe 5

[lime mantle]

Looking there too

[trail whale]

yep it's the transition i mentioned earlier

if you scroll up i said what the issue is

that spot is the literal only spot that is a huge risk

on that scorching where your druid is coming in to take the bob aggro

he casts a caress of death right there while you're at a high stack point

so you eat a scorching, take rasta aggro, have 40+ stacks, and can't be healed

[lime mantle]

What should I do to avoid that?

[trail whale]

uhh 1) be topped 2) have shield wall 3) try and get the druid to come in and take the aggro 4) get an external

[chilly brook]

Still requiring less ehrps than the Druid 😂

[trail whale]

5. have a soul stone

[lime mantle]

2. I don’t always have it but noted down
3. he is on his way
4. I’ll try to ask for them but idk of shanked have those

5. used them

As opulence heal gem

[trail whale]

soul stone is the warlock brez

[lime mantle]

D’og

[exotic spoke]

ahnk totem is great for that fight

[lime mantle]

After we switched we moved to using totems to brez the bob tank

[trail whale]

if you only have shaman healers then yeah ankh totem

[lime mantle]

Which is the vdh

Honestly is there anything I am doing wrong?
Other than using shield block while LS is up (I keep@forgetting LS blocks ally

[exotic spoke]

If I may make the John madden answer?

[trail whale]

on your death spot on that pull

no not really, but again it's not a fight we can do shit on other than externals

[lime mantle]

@exotic spoke sure

[tough vault]

... maybe someone here can look at the healers too, before we yell “j’accuse”

[chilly brook]

I mean to be fair, no tank can be ok with a no heal debuff and large stacks

[exotic spoke]

Now... see... the issue is... you let your Hp hit zero before the boss’s hp hit zero. If you want to win you just can’t do that

[sand egret]

[lime mantle]

@exotic spoke you have made my night better.

[exotic spoke]

@lime mantle in seriousness though, I’ll have to look when I get home unless others figure it out earlier,

Glad I could help

[chilly brook]

LMAO

[lime mantle]

Just feel free to and ping/pm when you do it 😃

[chilly brook]

that resto shammy with a 32 parse

[lime mantle]

I’ll ready it ASA

ASAP

[exotic spoke]

can you pm the logs? By the time I get home in 3 hours it’ll be hard to find them

[lime mantle]

Done

[exotic spoke]

Thanks man. Not the best at reading blogs but I’ll check

[lime mantle]

I even gave you a secret pun. Don’t tell anyone what it was.

[chilly brook]

Yea it definitely looks like you got two healers that could really bring their game up tbh

Green parsing every attempt I’ve looked at

[exotic spoke]

There’s a lot of magic damage on that fight which hurts

Well a good amount at least

[lime mantle]

Isn’t mine also green/grey?

[chilly brook]

Mr pro healer doesn’t look so pro

Idk I don’t look at damage parses when trying to address survival issues

[lime mantle]

Isn’t there a damage taken parse?

t. Moron

[undone sun]

no

[chilly brook]

Nope

[trail whale]

how to damage taken parse. never taunt

easy

[rocky stump]

If you aren't topped when a caress goes off, that's sonething the healers should work on tbh. I mean you don't strictly have to be to survive it, but it's a hell of a lot safer

[sick sentinel]

Just have bdk solo bob and shaman totem him 4head

[lime mantle]

With a guild like this I really wish I was any tank that can heal itself

Idk if my healers actually dislike healing me that much or what

[undone sun]

even bdks can't be fully self sustaining

[sick sentinel]

Prot is a good tank. Rasta is actually a really good fight for us damage wise

[rocky stump]

There's no good reason not to get someone topped off before a high damage/no healing phase. I would feel like that was at least partly my fault were I healing and failed to do that

[undone sun]

that's reasonable thinking though, from the sounds of it @lime mantle healers lack even the smallest amount of it

[lime mantle]

Healers are hellbent on me being at fault

[sick sentinel]

Based on logs your healers are doing fine... could be better but they are ok. Mythic raiding is a lot easier if your tanks can play several classes

Also healers will always blame tank

Just respond “I didn’t die in one hit not my problem” and see what they say

[lime mantle]

That’s why at this point I am exasperated and tired because I might as well confirm or get schooled on where I fucked up like in that KR I linked and I was told to stop overlapping LS an use LS more for the block

That there is my fault I should have farmed some trinket dfor my Paladin and went with him

[warm plinth]

👋

[chilly brook]

I mean prohealer seems to have a lot of less than stellar pulls

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[warm plinth]

Well this is modern-day WoW. We don't ever let ourselves be blamed for shit. We blame someone else before they can blame us!

Even if we know it's our fault

[sand egret]

Hate to break it to ya, but that has always existed. Nowadays people can get "data" to back up whatever argument they wanna construe 😃

[lime mantle]

I doubt it was 100% fault of a single healer.
Yes but I prefer to have proof of blame even if I must take it myself because it’s useless to be a shitter if you aren’t told how not to be

[sand egret]

Membies 8.0? "Port Warz trash!" Links R.io representation stats

[warm plinth]

Yeah but the toxicity levels of video games in general these days have encouraged folks who didn't used to do that, to now do that.

[sick sentinel]

Also where is your holy paladin

[lime mantle]

We don’t have one these pulls lol

Our guild is a mess tbh

[sand egret]

100% it's WAY worse now (streamers don't help) but was always a thing haha

[warm plinth]

Yeah, definitely

[lime mantle]

I think he is one of the whammies (shplpoge?) but idk.

[sick sentinel]

Holy pallies do a great job on that fight burst healing

[tough vault]

Man it’s just mentality these days. Participation trophy kiddos. 😂

[sick sentinel]

You have no really good burst healers which is unfortunate

[rocky stump]

I sandbagged to get participation ribbons in elementary school field days because green was my favorite color and they were the green ribbons. #priorities

[tough vault]

😂

[lime mantle]

Hecla confirmed 200 IQ.

My school didn’t have participation trophies.

Or trophies.

That way everyone was equal.

An equal loser, but equal.

[outer dew]

just don't be shit

and get into a decent guild

tbh

:^)

[tough vault]

Nah but what I had to learn is to try to look at your own faults first, and only then try and pinpoint what others might be doing wrong. We had a pala tank constantly get angry with the other tank for dying on grong. Turns out the pala didn’t know of necrotic combo 🙃 m prog btw. He also kept blaming the game for making him stand in fire.

... I replaced him the week after 😂

[sand egret]

That shit happens too often to laugh at tbh

[lime mantle]

I might but finding alliance guilds that raid 2 days during the week top (work) is hard as fuck.

[analog swift]

LOL had similar shit during grong. Kept dying because the pally would let me take the 3 hit combo and he says "I ussually just don't for the throw" (which obviously isn't how it works) "if you can't take it I can help" lololol

[lime mantle]

I might just go back to horde

But I want my DID racial

[outer dew]

blade bby

if i move horde

[sand egret]

the ultimate choice

[outer dew]

you got any spot for alliance

refuge :^)

[sand egret]

bruh my guild has 5 members. Two of which are my alts..

[outer dew]

ay

perfect

that's basically alliance

if i come back atm

[lime mantle]

5?!

[sand egret]

dudu feels real nice 😃

[lime mantle]

Whoa

I’ve never seen so many people in the same guild...

[sand egret]

we're just super special

[lime mantle]

Are you part@of a cesspit mass invite guild!

[sand egret]

no, i'm part of a "me and my 2 other coworkers wanted to make a guild to talk in a gchat

[lime mantle]

That’s a lot of people in the alliance 😹

[outer dew]

ahh hell yea

i can get to know

blade's coworkers?

HELL YEA

[sand egret]

we're on this tiny server

[outer dew]

i'm gonna tell them you my wow sugar daddy

true perfection

[sand egret]

with this tiny guild doing silly things

[outer dew]

sounds good to me

[chilly brook]

@sand egret but prot warrior had more deaths in Uldir than any other tank it must be true!!!!

[sand egret]

ironically, i'm pretty sure i'm like the #2 bear which is very funny to see like Raiding guild....then this random dude right under him haha

[outer dew]

lol

[sand egret]

small server things 😃

[lime mantle]

“Ah yes the second best bear, Timothy, from accounting!”

[sand egret]

basically

[chilly brook]

How else can you explain the deaths? It must be the classes shortcomings!

[sand egret]

i've definitely had people on my server who've i've randomly pugged with in M+ be like "is your guild recruiting?!" and i'm like...."Uh...got 15 other people?"

[chilly brook]

Lol

[sand egret]

plus our guild name is FUN

and that's awesome

cuz we have FUN

[tough vault]

Low pop server is a massive ego boost on r.io 👌🏻

[chilly brook]

I like to sing

Dance

Pretend

[sand egret]

@tough vault when i'm feeling down, sometimes i look at my rating to feel better 😃

then when I'm riding too high....I look at literally any other server where i wouldn't even be a blip

[tough vault]

I mean im stuck on an rp realm, that’s like being the best among the worst 😎

[chilly brook]

I think I’m probably gonna try to boost my io this season

[oblique garnet]

My shaman is on rp realm

[chilly brook]

Also probably the worst one to even do it on

Because beguiling just seems like not a whole lot of fun

[lime mantle]

If beguiling isn’t fun I finally am free from wow once more

[livid totem]

well you're not missing anything

[tough vault]

If we are to believe reddit whiners the game is already more dead than anthem

[livid totem]

people are bullsh.tting me because I call them sheep for still playing WoW after what BfA has done to us

[tough vault]

“But at least the art team did a good job”

[chilly brook]

I mean they did

Other than the one armor set a raid

[livid totem]

like... "why do we even have a flying mount if we won't be able to use it in nazjatar ?" "lololol if you're not happy, then just leave"

[chilly brook]

I thought they said you can fly in nazjatar though?

[livid totem]

I'm like, how can they be so fucking stupid ? FFS.

[lime mantle]

You can use flying in nazjatar

[livid totem]

Oh ?

[lime mantle]

Also

[livid totem]

Really ?

[chilly brook]

Yea

[oblique garnet]

Yes

[lime mantle]

Open world addicts big yikers
Yes:

[tough vault]

We are sheep. We want the game to be good, it’s just that our expectations haven’t been met because our wishes weren’t listened to. Because idfk, you think you want it but you don’t

[tough mulch]

is prot the most popular tank right now?

[livid totem]

wtf is taking so long ?

[oblique garnet]

Wdym taking so long?

[chilly brook]

I just don’t like the idea of being forced through the paths blizz wants us to take through use of a seasonal affix

[livid totem]

Why I can't get pathfinder part 2 yet ?

It's been like almost 1 year already

[trail whale]

you can as of... yesterday

[chilly brook]

Because rep

[lime mantle]

Rep

[livid totem]

Jesus christ

[chilly brook]

Pathfinder part two is live

[livid totem]

f.k that

[chilly brook]

🤦🏻‍♂️

[tough vault]

I said it before in here: I understand the timegating. The game is a service. The longer they draw it out the longer people subscribe.

[chilly brook]

You knew the rep grind was coming

[livid totem]

gonna check tomorrow, thanks for the info.

Yeah but... Not 1 f.cking year later

[tough vault]

If only the content for drawing it out was a bit better and more engaging 🙃

[livid totem]

anyway

[oblique garnet]

How is it any different from legion?

[chilly brook]

It’s how they’ve done pathfinder for three expansions now

[livid totem]

it's just one amongst others stupid things

[chilly brook]

And what Late said

[trail whale]

and people are "bullshitting you" because there's no point talking to people like you. the game is what it is and people who are still playing get tired of people who come in just to shit on everything which i'm getting the vibe of that's what you wanna do

[livid totem]

Legion was faster afaik

[oblique garnet]

It wasnt

[chilly brook]

Don’t get me wrong I want my “just give me gold and I give you flight” back

[livid totem]

it took like what ? 6 months ?

[tough vault]

That fuckin jellyfish wq come on man

[trail whale]

no it was the literal exact same time frame

[lime mantle]

Also @chilly brook it’s also the fact some dungeons that where cancerously unfun (ML, sots) turn even MORE unfun with this and the affix idea of “different paths” is meaningless when some dungeons are open and that might work with some retooling (RH, AD) and the majority are a literal corridor (SB, KR, TD)

[chilly brook]

They copy pasted the timeframe for pathfinder

[oblique garnet]

ML will probably be the least affected by the new affix

Since you can always change paths

[chilly brook]

Personally I find KR more cancerously unfun than SotS

[tough vault]

Yeah the new affix is awfully reactionary.

[chilly brook]

The new affix is just their answer to dungeons being tackled in ways they didn’t intend

[tough vault]

On one hand it spurs creativity, on the other.. jfc blizz just fix things instead of adding spikes

[lime mantle]

I find ML cancer because it’s a corridor which I want to skip 2/3 of.
KR is also a corridor but doesn’t have “fun” mechanics of minibosses which don’t fit into m+ IMHO

[livid totem]

I know what you mean @trail whale but I feel like you gotta admit sometimes they're sheeps when blizzard is doing so many stupid sh.ts and when blizz is so good at keeping them in cages

[sick sentinel]

The expansion has been out for a year?

[lime mantle]

Sots should be a mega dungeon, slap more interior to the cathedral, 3-4 more bosses done.

[tough vault]

ML bosses on tyrannical😒 3rd boss is literally afk for 80%

[rocky stump]

I think m+ is just a misguided game mode in general. I know most people dig it, but I think the dungeons are just too long for a "time trial" mode to feel anything but tediojs

[chilly brook]

KR trash is just cancer

And third boss is aids on tyrannical

[trail whale]

i don't know anyone who says wow is in a good spot right now. that's not the point. The point is if you aren't playing and hate the game then why do you go to places people talk about the game to say stuff like what you just said

other than some weird desire to try and make other people unhappy

[sick sentinel]

Because it's become cool to bitch about the things you still do on a daily basis

[willow scarab]

I never understood people who play the game but constantly talk about how bad it is

[tough vault]

Thing is people want an echo chamber

Good or bad.

[chilly brook]

I mean imo there’s nothing wrong with voicing your displeasure of the game

Or certain aspects of it

[tough vault]

“DAE think sylvanas sucks”

[livid totem]

No. Just no. I feel like there are many people that are frustrated the way Blizz is going, but aren't vocal enough to blame

So they just let it be

Which is sad tbh

[trail whale]

yes but that's not what you're doing

[lime mantle]

I have a thesis on my hatred of Sylvannas.
Btw horde until legion.

[trail whale]

you're insulting people for not being... mad enough? unhappy enough

[tough vault]

“Unpopular opinion- < popular opinion >”

[willow scarab]

Is this all..... #off-topic

[sick sentinel]

I had a guildie that randomly invited me today to group with him in Nazjatar and all he did was bitch. He complained about having to quest. He complained about unlocking essences. He complained because his flight whistle wasn't automatically upgraded.

[chilly brook]

If you also have issues with people who complain about the game and it has a negative impact on your enjoyment of the game I’d argue that you actually don’t like the game as much as you think you do

[livid totem]

God. Fine, I give up.

[tough vault]

Why is he playing @sick sentinel 😂

[livid totem]

Have a nice evening gentlemens.

[tough vault]

Ok mr adultman

Nn

[sick sentinel]

That's what I asked. His response was 'because it makes my dick hard'.

[chilly brook]

You too bro

[tough vault]

We want the game to be good, that’s why we bitch about it.

[livid totem]

@chilly brook you may be right.

[lime mantle]

Your friend is what we call on the business “based and redpilled”

[livid totem]

Later.

[tough vault]

Sadly yelling at eachother wont help

Go yell at blizz

[willow scarab]

Hey I slept and i'm still rank 3 world?

[sick sentinel]

I left group soon after.

[tough vault]

I have that with Overwatch. Mercy meta killed me. Got my SR, didnt play til next season

[oblique garnet]

I ran out of things to do and was too tired to get to 53 Fumeiyo😪

[lime mantle]

Also for anyone who doesn’t enjoy the game just either yell at blizz or better, just leave it and ignore it, don’t talk to players just let it leave your mind.

[sick sentinel]

Like I can't change the game for you. So don't bitch to me about it

[tough vault]

We’re here by our own choice even. No one’s forcing you to play 🤷🏻‍♂️

[lime mantle]

Also Ban. He was low key asking for ERP.

[sick sentinel]

You right.

Lol

[lime mantle]

I know this as I used to play on Alliance AD, at first I was surprised and horrified of their customs.
Then I realized they are horrible people and filthy animals and I should transfer post haste or go back to sanguino.

[tough vault]

We talking argent dawn eu?

[lime mantle]

Yes.

I was foolish

[tough vault]

Haha yeah it’s a hoot

[lime mantle]

I saw “it is big server alliance”

[tough vault]

Honestly it’s a nice realm. Just don’t go into goldshire.

[lime mantle]

And I was “ok I’ll try roleplay. None of you freaks will ask me for sex, right?” And they said “no, no I swear”

[chilly brook]

I mean voicing displeasure with the game is often done without yelling at anyone who is playing it @tough vault most of the time people yell at the person who has the problem instead of talking about what they said

[lime mantle]

Oh how naive was I, the legion was not what I feared nor was it valor keys. It was Goldshire. The gem draeneis. We had erps in raid.

[chilly brook]

I’ll always look at legion as a great xpac

[tough vault]

Depends on how the criticism is given. If it’s just a complaint about an aspect of gameplay (jellyfish wq, puzzles messing up) then go ahead. If it’s just a drone of whining bc they don’t have fun playing the game - stop playing the game.

[sick sentinel]

Or continue playing the game but complain to someone who can actually do something about your complaints

[chilly brook]

But if they don’t have fun playing because of how different the game is to when they started, where is the harm in bringing that to light?

It obviously has done something

Look at Ions acknowledgment of pruning going too far

[lime mantle]

Legion was fine but legendary adquisotion was undeniably bad and heavily turned me against it.
As does x-forging without control like mop/wod tokens and benthic gear.

[chilly brook]

On the topic of world quests bejeweled as stupid

[tough vault]

They often aren’t looking for reasonable discussion though. More looking for an echo chamber. I blame social media 🙃

[chilly brook]

Whoever put that in should seriously rethink their position and realize they’re not on a mobile game

[tough vault]

I’ll take bejeweled over movement puzzles

[chilly brook]

Whatever they’re looking for I’m of the opinion that it shouldn’t matter

They have the right to voice it

[lime mantle]

I unironically like the match 3 and walk in the pattern from the box WQs

[chilly brook]

I actually liked the movement puzzles in Legion

[lime mantle]

Some where OK but they got old quickly if you had to do a lot in a quick progression

[tough vault]

Guy that came in earlier just wanted to talk shit and got called out for it. He didn’t like that so threw a hissy fit, still thinking he was more “aware” of how the state of the game is.

... I think we’re all aware bfa isn’t in the best of states. We all knew pathfinder roadmap.

What we should be wary of, and he was right about that, is the sheep mentality and the willingness to let blizz slip by with crap

[sick sentinel]

pathfinder is legit one of blizzard's best ideas

[tough vault]

Look at Anthem, is a good example imo

[sick sentinel]

it's the best way to implement flying

[exotic spoke]

I think it’s funny - people whine and bitch about the lack of diversity in WQ / quests in general. So they try and innovate and add new things.

Then the same people whine and bitch that the new quests are shit

[chilly brook]

I disagree with pathfinder

But that’s me

On the topic of legendaries, they were one of the best additions to the game. The acquisition I’ll agree was bad but they fixed it with the currency imo

[tough vault]

A) Pathfinder is a carrot on a stick to keep people subscribed.
B) Pathfinder is a balanced reward for playing the game.

Pick one. :p

(This is reasonable discussion, I like it. If dude before had tackled it this way, no problemo 😂 )

And yeah, legos got fixed

All in all blizz seemed more eager to fix in legion

[warm plinth]

So technically this expansion got flying the latest out of the last 3 expansions. WoD was November 13 release, June 23 flying (7 months). Legion was August 30 release, March 28 flying (7 months). BfA was August 14 release, June 25 flying (10 months). That's why people are so salty about it.

[lime mantle]

Theybissue is that they got fixed in patch .3 or so didn’t they?

also why are people so addicted to@flying! Just to waste less time doing open world chores that you can very quickly ignore?

Serious question:

[warm plinth]

I mean, you can ignore it. As in, you're able to. But your game experience will suffer.

[tough vault]

Yeah, that’s it. Flying is a convenience.

[warm plinth]

Right. It makes the stuff you don't really want to do go by faster so you can get to the things you DO want to do.

[tough vault]

I got zero g in mechagon today. It felt bad traversing nazjatar on foot an hour later

[lime mantle]

Oh okay, I agree with that

[chilly brook]

Because why would I want to arbitrarily have to take more time to do something so simple

[tough vault]

Path of least resistance eh

[chilly brook]

Just because the devs wanted me to “enjoy the zones more”

[warm plinth]

I really don't care whether I fly or not in most cases. It's only when I'm in zones that are annoying to navigate without flying that it bugs me. Like in Legion I was super impatient because Highmountain and Stormheim sucked without flying.

[tough vault]

Naaah I get that flying can be implemented later

[warm plinth]

Feeling that way about Nazjatar too

[tough vault]

It’s way more engaging to do things on foot... the first time.

[chilly brook]

It’s not exactly path of least resistance, its just the idea that what I came to expect and what had been the norm was ultimately altered because the devs saw a problem that didn’t exist

[tough vault]

I have all classes but druid and dk at 120. Warrior monk and pala double.

[chilly brook]

I don’t think the game is any more engaging with how it’s designed modern day by artificially gating flight

[tough vault]

I really could have used flying before 8.2 for alts I cba to play

[chilly brook]

The no flight argument works for something like classic because the design philosophy is so different

[tough vault]

Yeah. Shit’s plain broken in classic 😂

Hence cata

World revamp and all

[chilly brook]

I still view pathfinder as a slap in the face

[lime mantle]

I like how people scream about itemization being meaningless when the only time you didn’t replace most gear on a tier basis was classic because blizz didn’t know wtf wa showing on the math

[chilly brook]

If blizz actually thought that flying diminished the experience of the zones then they should design zones with flying in mind, but they don’t

Because it’s easier not to

[lime mantle]

Storm peaks

[chilly brook]

I mean they didn’t have the flight is detrimental mentality in Wrath

[tough vault]

I wonder though. I only started playing wow endgame seriously come legion. Was it always like this, with ilvls functioning much like diablo/lootershooters? The constant push towards a higher nr or bis for a build?

[chilly brook]

Not really

In some ways yes

But not like this

Because we used to have BiS lists that we could follow and progression paths

[rocky stump]

Even in legion some specs used old tier sets for the bonus despite ilvl

[somber dragon]

2+2 sets could be bonkers fun

[sick sentinel]

ench shaman in antorus

2/2/2

shit was stupid

[rocky stump]

Earlier it was more extreme, you used some classic gear almost all the way through tbc

[somber dragon]

blizz wants to make gear "continuously interesting" but doesn't know how to do it right for wow 😄

[rocky stump]

Yeah, I vastly prefer ESO's approach to gearing.

[chilly brook]

Sometimes having an end in sight makes it more satisfying and fulfilling

For gear that is

[lime mantle]

@tough vault yes and no.
Some items, trinkets mostly where BIS for a long time or always, this happened less as Time went on because they got gutted between tiers.
Denote you couldn’t forge so your tier X on Y difficulty if applicable, was always the same ilvl, normally blizzard tires to avoid using old gear or having to farm old raids for gear on end game chars. As such gear was “invalidated” between tiers just less visibly and heavilybso.

[tough vault]

Well I dipped into destiny 2 for a while before bfa, and it really seems the same. Build is ever changing, even though there’s a baseline. Now you see it again with the benthic gear and its location based buffs

[rocky stump]

WoW is where my friends are so it's where most of my time goes, but I think if they weren't around I'd give up at this point. I still enjoy it, but without the social connections tgere are other games I enjoy a lot more

[tough vault]

Same tbh. It’s why im stuck on AD. Love the friends I made but wouldn’t play if they werent

[lime mantle]

And goldshire. Don’t you lie to me.

[tough vault]

Nah man. I can find thicc futa draenei cock elsewhere.

... Kappa.

[undone sun]

hmmmm

[chilly brook]

@tough vault the difference is that now that there’s a split between Activision and Bungie there seem to be a lot of rpg elements starting to be thrown into the game

Which is good

[tough vault]

Yeah im enjoying the new phase of d2

But how much can we blame activision for messing with wow?

[chilly brook]

Is the xpac and stuff still on sale for $39?

I mean Activision and Blizzard are basically one in the same now

And I think the drastic shift in mentality with D2 offers a lot of insight into it

[lime mantle]

100% and also 0%

[chilly brook]

Although only time will tell how much Bungie actually is justifiably blaming them and how much of it is just bs

[lime mantle]

Because while corporate presssure and moronic choices are very real (I have proof this exists on any sector) also means anything bad will be pinned as “it was the boogie man!” And anything good will be “in spite of the boogie man attempts”

[tough vault]

I always have to drag out that Steve Jobs quote when the topic arises. About companies promoting sales people instead of product people. Ironically what is happening with apple again 😂

[lime mantle]

Apple will just meme on their consumer line because they literally cannot compete with the Chinese and Korean giants.
Their professional line is pretty good.

[chilly brook]

Well to be fair on the topic of monetization and a lot of other things contractually Activision had the last word @lime mantle

I mean we were supposed to be on like Destiny 4 by now

If Activision had their way based on the documentation

[tough vault]

@lime mantle it’s why I hate consumers memeing on WWDC. -developer- conference. They’re not announcing products for joe schmo, its for the industries 😂

[lime mantle]

As said I know that corporate does dumb decisionsx it’s just that I won’t trust that 100% of bad things where because of the evil “other” corporate made them do it

[tough vault]

Definitely. Nerdslayer on youtube has so many examples in his vids concerning video game industry

[chilly brook]

In regards to d2 and Activision I’m just talking about things that we know for sure based off of actual sources and facts

[lime mantle]

@tough vault it’s amazing when I have to explain people why an Apple mega display is 6k, the stand 1k and the machine 5k.
They just don’t grasp it’s not made for either the most captive audience or for an absurdly niche professions market that literally can pay tree times that AND will pay it AND also write sit as a tax pay off

[tough vault]

https://media2.giphy.com/media/l1ughbsd9qXz2s9SE/giphy.gif?cid=8fc3c8975d13f5d2305542454117675c&rid=giphy.gif

[primal sable]

How do you write monitor stand purchases as a tax write off

[lime mantle]

(Tbh that shit annoys me because I am a senior developer and whenever computers came up consumers and normies and juniors go full retardation station)

[primal sable]

[lime mantle]

@primal sable it’s “professional tools” that some countries give grants or allow as write offs

[tough vault]

Front end web dev / graphic designer / video editor here 😂

[chilly brook]

@primal sable anything you buy for a business you can write off

[primal sable]

Imagine being a tax payer in those countries

[tough vault]

Depends on which tax haven you reside 🙃

[lime mantle]

It’s also normally only bought for senior developers who’ll just go “I want new toy. I get paid 6k a month post tax. I will. Get new toy.”

[chilly brook]

I mean it’s a good thing

TBH

[lime mantle]

Or well in the stand and retina monitor it’s for designers

But same applies

[tough vault]

The shit my former employer bought lmao

[chilly brook]

The ability to write it off for businesses that is

[tough vault]

I thought this was the discord for all the oafs charging into battle yelling. Or is that just #fury

[lime mantle]

@tough vault full stack(albeit normally front end mobile and be, not much web), cryptography and cybersec, currently in e-commerce and banking looking To get more into crypto currencies

[tough vault]

R u hiring

[lime mantle]

Protection is the idiot savants

No.

[tough vault]

Fuck

Get off my discord

😘

[lime mantle]

Also I live in Spain so salaries are low.
(Also we don’t use designers because we sell to Banks lmao)

[tough vault]

Yes kids, don’t go into webdesign or design in general

Market is flooded with “my 12 year old cousin has photoshop”

[chilly brook]

Taxation is theft amirite 😛

[lime mantle]

Why yes.

Taxation is theft that’s why I only sell items via trade chat and manual hands in.
the state run AH will never get my hard earned gold!

[tough vault]

Guys

[chilly brook]

lmao

[tough vault]

Comrade van Cleef was right

We need communism

Get rid of the bourgeoisie

Wear red bandanas

[undone sun]

[timber nest]

how good is the punchcard trinket?

[lime mantle]

Isn’t it only usable In mecagoj?

[tough vault]

Better than my 395 on use giga volt thing

[lime mantle]

Or you can use it outside of it?

[exotic spoke]

Usable anywhere I believe but only attain drops there

[lime mantle]

I see

Thought it was only for the mechagon

[tough vault]

Apparently not

[lime mantle]

Nice

[timber nest]

are we still using quick nav?