@lusty grotto just be 2 mins my mates got the key
#protection
junior ivy
hi
stiff oracle
gratz on 2k fellas
drifting pewter
im sure this has been asked a ton, but is there a place where the discord has mentioned the tank essences that we're going to go for in 8.2?
lusty grotto
@spice ferry is your dude on? we screwed one
spice ferry
ill pm him
lusty grotto
is he dps?
lusty grotto
what lvl is it
spice ferry
18
lusty grotto
hm ok
west galleon
any prot warriors wanna come quad prot warrior a low key for funsies before nerf
14 siege
:^) na horde
quiet relic
Anything we should be going for or aiming for tomrrow?
spice ferry
@lusty grotto rip your friend
lusty grotto
my brother is a retard
spice ferry
HAHAHAHA
lusty grotto
a 500% proof retard
your shammy friend was like wait
i face palmed so hard
welp
he's missing AD and siege
we'll try to do it for him after tomorrow if he can still do it
lusty grotto
gonna be sad for my claps but yeah
WELL AT LEAST HE GOT THE 10 DONE LMAO
anyway though
@spice ferry thanks for that
and thanks for your friends key
err thanks to your friend
time to sleep for me
oblique garnet
@lusty grotto the achievement is gone when reset comes
lusty grotto
welp rip
its fine he'll get over it
so yeah the scaling is in tomorrow
you said a 22 is gonna be like a 30+ @oblique garnet ?
so a 17 will be like what ballpark?
lusty grotto
dunno just saw it in the wowhead survival guide
it might be wrong
ah shit
it says AD
undone sun
😄
lusty grotto
im dumb and its late for me
oblique garnet
Its 9am for me
lusty grotto
😎
distant crystal
it looks like the scaling does happen tomorrow
i know it's under AD but it doesn't make sense, that's just a formatting error
cause the bursting/quaking change is under AD too, and that's not AD specific
distant crystal
and seems like priestess is gonna be a hard boss now lol
sick sentinel
yep
distant crystal
pretty much stay out of M+ next two weeks
not like the weekly chest matters, 410 loot is scrap fodder
i guess the weekly chest AP would be relevant
oblique garnet
Yeah
dapper swift
Is there a haste cap/breakpoints for prot currently?
undone sun
no
dapper swift
ty
broken quest
somewhat new to prot warr, curious if you guys open caches as dps for trinkets?
sick sentinel
If you have a mythic shield and 1 hander you open as dps
broken quest
@sick sentinel thank you
inner bear
can´t find "are we still top tier in m+" in faq 😦 feelsbadman
mental scarab
Rip 200k burst dps 😭 reaping will be missed
And how much do the new affix slow down the tempo? Compared to infested
ionic fern
Yes,we are still in the top tier for m+ ...
Regarding tempo-not sure yet due to limited testing but probably quite a bit since you can't chain pull as effeciently anymore.
mental scarab
But its ”only” one that is the real cockblock, reflected dmg person. The big aoe stands still or im wrong? And the anti cc/interupt bubbel can be anoying in the wrong pack 🤔 but i dont know gonna be fun!
ionic fern
Jeah,it will get faster over time once we see all the different locations/combos and can plan around it accordingly.
mental scarab
Fingers crossed for the MDT addon to update 😂
broken quest
as far as trait wise does anything really change? im looking at my talents and wondering how bad 3x treacherous cov is lol. it could be 3x bastion, 1x clap, 2x treach or 2x bastion 3x treach 1x clap
ionic fern
@broken quest for m+?
broken quest
@ionic fern yes
ionic fern
I don't really like tc in m+ since it depends on the healers to keep the buff up. Granted you shouldn't fall below the buff treshold a lot but it's still out of your hands and things can go wrong. I'd much rather suggest stacking BoM in m+ regards and TC for raids.
broken quest
yea i did the 3x bom/2x tc/1x clap
trim bay
That sounds broken lol
broken quest
its alot of dps haha
only reason why i wanted to keep it that way haha
but relatively new to prot warr this xpac so was just asking 😛
sick sentinel
@ionic fern I was getting 90-95% uptime on treacherous the past 3 weeks
ionic fern
@sick sentinel ,this again comes down to your healer and experience as a tank. Or as you would like to say in regards to our DC discussions "don't give new warriors such advice".
@spice ferry as long as interrupts are going out and you one shot the add it's a fairly easy fight.
spice ferry
yeah, groups relatively new and communicating kicks is one our weak areas
sick sentinel
The thing is, tc is good for the same reason cheat death trinkets etc are bad
ionic fern
Safest to call them out yourself.:D
spice ferry
got there eventually but yeah
strong forum
1x TC 1x ms 1x DC master race here
sick sentinel
YES NOME
fervent prism
3x DC 3x BoM in m+ masterrace
strong forum
:doubt:
Since I have stormwall chest now I could make insane 3x DC builds, but fuck that meme
fervent prism
I dunno, averaging 31k over deeps is pretty sexy
strong forum
My average was 38k in waycrest this week :^) 34k in freehold
More DC doesn't change noticeable shit
fervent prism
But i was gonna ask a question real quick. Is Vision of Perfection a BG farm?
fervent prism
Oooh wait the teleport one was the bg farm I believe. My bad. Thanks for the answer!
oblique garnet
Not the questline
From the dungeon
Well i guess it ends in the dungeon 🤷 just wont be available till raid opens
fervent prism
Yeah ...
strong forum
Ah dungeon, eh w/e just play the game and you'll get all the good essences
ionic fern
35-40k is "normal" on teeming weeks tho. 🤔
ionic fern
Jeap,will bring overall down by quite a bit.
strong forum
Will be weird
strong forum
To drop like 10k dps just because of that
ionic fern
No one's arguing it's bad for experienced players with a dedicated healer.🤔
silver sail
I mean I dont see it as being bad for less experienced players
like usually if youre in that sorta situation
youre dead anyway
ionic fern
🤔
silver sail
also
ionic fern
Pug healers will let you drop below 50 wayyyy more often .
silver sail
is there an easy way to see my spell reflect damage, im looking at the enemy boss damage taken by source atm
its a bit slow
strong forum
Ye I want that WA just for fun tbh
silver sail
in logs I mean
strong forum
Ah
silver sail
I can see from my combat text the hit
looking through the logs it really is insane
how much it does
counting spell reflect I did almost 30k dps on lord/lady
sick sentinel
so what essence should prot warriors use?
ionic fern
Check the guides. Afaik both of them (icy-veins,wowhead) now also include essences.
strong forum
^
sick sentinel
cool
ionic fern
Same as for raiding just not as prominent since most people don't log keys.
ripe mason
ionic fern
SR/interrupts.
strong forum
Taunt the new witch when swap happens, and setup interrupt rotation on the main witch
silver sail
and yea
taunt when new withc comes up
you can usually SR->interrupt
then their special cast
then interrupt
then it switches
repeat
silver sail
mostly just a healer fight there
strong forum
Yea
silver sail
stack up nicely for your druid too
ionic fern
In a pug without communication it's as horrible as 2nd Sots or first UR boss tho. 😂
silver sail
yea
depending on the level
like a 15ish tyrannical
you can get away with just doing your two interrupts
and youll probably be ok
UR and sots are fuckers
"kick rotations"
my favourite joke
Those two dungeons I just won't do without at least two others in discord with me to call kicks properly
strong forum
Bruh 1st boss UR I get lost SO QUICK on the interrupt callouts
silver sail
Just go SR->Interrupt
strong forum
Would love for someone else to manage that cuz I just brain freeze
ionic fern
We usually have 2 melees on the boss and one ranged dedicated to the adds first interrupt.
But jeah,can get messy
silver sail
the adds first cast is on the nearest player
strong forum
Especially if your group is mentally handicapped
strong forum
Which is a requirement for my guild and group
silver sail
I like that boss, watching the meaty 500k spell reflects
strong forum
Yeah that's always fun
silver sail
I mean I usually just charge it haha
and do it myself
i know, was just clarifying Mwahi
silver sail
I find it works nicely with the timings
cause I do the first two on pull, so my two melee won't be up
ionic fern
Doesn't really matter who does it as long as someone does
silver sail
and I usually have one as a backup
strong forum
That's the thing
ionic fern
Me? Yes,and i've shared the modified one with SR in it for my grp as well
strong forum
Obv
strong forum
Modified Sr? Na that I don't know about
silver sail
also TIL that you can snap the middle pack on AD and they just kinda do nothing
it's amazingly easy, and really high %
strong forum
In just using Zentracker
silver sail
as long as you can see it easily to call
ionic fern
Jeah
lime lodge
Hey bois I checked pinned messages, it's probably been asked a million times but any idea what essences are looking to be the best for us?
ionic fern
@lime lodge icy-veins/wowhead guides both have updated essences section.
lime lodge
Aight cheers mate, I always come here first to make sure :)
silver sail
thanks @ionic fern
ionic fern
empty spire
Has the reflectable/blockable spell list been updated for 8.2 yet?
ionic fern
Some things have been added but some still need testing.
empty spire
do you have a link to the updated spreadsheet? mine hasnt updated for some reason
ionic fern
Still the same link as in #268491842637660160
empty spire
thanks
burnt ferry
d
sick sentinel
@fierce juniper why do you recommend anima of life and death instead of vision of perfection for mythic plus in icy veins?
For the major slot that is
exotic spoke
Interesting
Hey don’t know nomeratur. He may mean the major power because of the heal
willow scarab
Maybe he doesn't like damage and prefers defensive play
or maybe the guide is for 10s not 20s
strong forum
Well all the guides are written for defensive play and values
That's what I noticed
exotic spoke
^^
willow scarab
I think they're for beginners
exotic spoke
Perhaps it’s because of the reduced effectiveness of BoM during the vision proc
I see the use of anima... and it can be a lot of damage
You do get good CD reduction from vision + lucid minors
strong forum
Ye anima could do some serious dmg
rapid jewel
@sick sentinel 100k DMG on a 2 min CD isnt that much.
exotic spoke
It’s the burst potential for things like bolstering, large packs, and additional defensive use which is appealing
And it’ll be way more than 100k damage
craggy viper
Does the Avatar proc from Visions of perfection give the 20rage?
rapid jewel
@craggy viper yes it does
100k is on 1 million HP, you wont get much higher. sure it is per mob.
strong forum
If you do like a triple pack pull. It's huge
exotic spoke
^^
strong forum
Like 2mil or smth
exotic spoke
Did mechagon last night btw.
rapid jewel
focusing iris does over 100k per mob on a unbound force proc on a 1.5 min cd. Which doesnt requires to pull 2 defense CD to do some serious dmg. But yeah, with the new esssences you have some serious AOE dmg on demand.
exotic spoke
Honestly the most fun I’ve had in a dungeon in a long time - going in blind
strong forum
Wanna know what's fun, ml 20 last week with complete brainlets
Literally laughing my ass off on dps getting one shot by bolstered mech jockeys
rapid jewel
yeah I know, I think the dmg is kinda meh, if you consider you have to pull two CDS for some burst dmg. If you consider a old Thunderclap did over 30k crit its not so much.
wooden radish
@ionic fern 👋
strong forum
40k, but you don't need to blast the 2cds for it
exotic spoke
You’re comparing apples to oranges. They are different. One is for dps and one is for tanks
strong forum
Just pair it with last stand since you are using it very often anyway
exotic spoke
^^
strong forum
And then you already have you 60k+ snapshot with 120k crits
Sounds good to me
If that's not dmg idk what is
rapid jewel
can it crit? I know it doesnt scale with taltented demo or avatar.
strong forum
Idk if it can, but I assume so
rapid jewel
but I dont know how much health scales up tbh. from season 1 to 2 the health scaling on azerite items alone where insane. Not sure if they did that again
exotic spoke
There’s a lot of % Stam on the neck
rapid jewel
yeah later down the line with 445 gear + high neck gear and stam flask, you probably become the new FH lvl booster, since you can wipe out half the instance with a good pull and one button press
strong forum
I assume we will have close to 500k
Maybe 600k
If not more actually
Stam flask 🤔
exotic spoke
Chug the flask before you use essence and then chug a strength flake
Thanks blizzard. Real pay to win
Stam pot nome?
strong forum
Actually yeah, I think we'll hit around 600-700k with mythic gear
rapid jewel
If you force it I guess you can pull over 1.5 mio HP with the right gear, flasks, pots, azerite + cooldowns
strong forum
With LS + Stam buff alone you'll be above 1mil
exotic spoke
Tried to convince my group to do ML 20 on ptr last night.... they all said nah
Oh imagine on TD with the fort buff too
strong forum
TD isn't gonna change much
You just gonn clear before 1st boss
Then just do insane pulls before cannons
exotic spoke
I meant the increase in your health from the buff
strong forum
Ah
exotic spoke
But yeah - pretty much. Group them all up for the 5 shots
exotic spoke
Rip
exotic spoke
Would have to go on the floors that you have options for the path
exotic spoke
The fort buff from the prisoners if you get it
willow scarab
Also the CC / true sight affecting shrouds and cc skips
no more 65/70% on cannons
actually it's more like 75%/80
ionic fern
Jeap,you usually got to cannons with around 30%
You can still do it..you just gotta group the mobs up decently and will be a lot harder.
Like a huuuuge pull and aim so all the mobs get hit by all 5 shots.
willow scarab
I can imagine dying while trying to group them, especially on fort
rapid jewel
if you have a begulging there, you can forget about grouping them
strong forum
TD will just require way more coordination
But should even out once you figured that out
Can still do tons with cannons
oblique garnet
Because the new affix is a thing and also is rng every week i dont think anima will be too good since you cant do big enough pulls where it would outweight vop
willow scarab
But the boss of this discord said to use it
rapid jewel
anima has two min cd
strong forum
Hm
willow scarab
2 mins lines up with last stand
rapid jewel
dont forget anger management ...
willow scarab
i'm not
oblique garnet
Im not sure if those essences are finalized
strong forum
Obv not
willow scarab
We thinking servers come up exactly after 8 hours or earlier?
strong forum
Idk im EU and I start work when servers come up so I don't have to care either way :^)
willow scarab
maybe anima makes rsham more viable
servers come up 8am my time so i wanna set a 7:30 alarm, make a coffee and be ready
exotic spoke
I think it’s something to consider - and anima is easy to get. It’s nothing we have to go out of our way to get
strong forum
The issue with rsham is mana, and movement
strong forum
Haha
exotic spoke
Lol
willow scarab
yes
strong forum
Guardian pvp talent
willow scarab
rally azerite trait
strong forum
Ah
willow scarab
strength in numbers
strong forum
Ah yeh... Those exist.
willow scarab
race change tauren
i could go a tier as a cow if i was horde
might be a bit of fun
strong forum
I'm a filthy hm now
willow scarab
kinda fuckin with the idea of worgen or gnome for the tier just to mix it up a little
oblique garnet
Its 2 min cd on anima right?
lusty grotto
holy fuck lmao
willow scarab
I have 572k right this second without indomidable
from last stand / rally
nothing else to bosot stamina
So you can already hit 700k if you went full stamina, maybe 750k
You're probably looking at 1m with last stand
willow scarab
imagine that but inflated 30 item levels + indomitable + stamina flask/pot
strong forum
Why are we talking rank 2 when r4 is free
lusty grotto
honestly all tank ones are good
strong forum
Or doesn't that change CD
willow scarab
r2 changes cd
oblique garnet
Its not bad by any means
lusty grotto
none of them are bad, wish they had the same dev for trinkets
oblique garnet
Its just
willow scarab
I just wanna figure out what to pick to snipe some easy logs in bod this week
oblique garnet
Would i take it over VoP?
lusty grotto
yeah
oblique garnet
Probably lucid fumeiyo
willow scarab
rage generation?
oblique garnet
Or crucible
willow scarab
I was almost thinking crucible
exotic spoke
Crucible is the one you get off the bat correct?
willow scarab
yeah
oblique garnet
Yes
willow scarab
do you even have time to unlock lucid before raid
level 3 bodyguard is surely a multiple day thing
lusty grotto
i guess the only damage ones this week are... lucid/ripple/crucible
willow scarab
worldvein resonance would be good depending on numbers
lusty grotto
oh right
world vein
hopefully i wont hit too much trafic today to get those done
flying to VA next week
hopefully will have time for keys
willow scarab
got numbers for it
exotic spoke
The four to pick up seem pretty easy / not out of the way
lusty grotto
sexy
willow scarab
also requires 4 users
Every 18-25 sec, a Lifeblood Shard erupts from the nearby ground for 12 sec.
oblique garnet
Didnt it also have range where you needed to stand
strong forum
Imagine raiding bod in 8.2
oblique garnet
Gotta get those buffed trinkets
novel temple
What trinkets got buffed?
exotic spoke
Wel probably go back to BoD a little later for server first Jaina rofl
strong forum
All of em
strong forum
I don't have ANY anchor
oblique garnet
Stat proc trinkets didnt get buffed
strong forum
I'll just laugh about the absurdity that diamond is gonna be
fossil heron
go back and farm mythic, maybe even heroic opulence for diamond?
strong forum
Prolly ye
strong forum
It's gonna be insane for prog raiding
strong forum
Retardation :^)
oblique garnet
Get that 425 diamond
strong forum
Tfw my supposed to cotank got a 425 diamond on his boost run on mythic
And now he's quitting
Fucking 400ilvl and gets 425 diamond
fossil heron
just get 425 vial instead for big avatar dmg
oblique garnet
I wonder if i still have the link saved where a dude has insane titanforge conch from heroic
willow scarab
my GM is a rogue who has a 425 lurker
on his bdk he plays only for mekka he has a 425 vial
lusty grotto
vial 🤢
willow scarab
i'd use a 425 vial
willow scarab
I'm gonna get punished next season for getting an early 425 rezan 415 socket block
i had no trinkets then suddenly bang both in like the 6th week
lusty grotto
well remember
they made the chest change thing
where you accumulate bad luck protection again
so no more bracer chest
willow scarab
If that's true why haven't I gotten anything from chest in 2 months
is it slot protection or TF protection
oblique garnet
I got a 420 ring with a socket from chest this week
Time to see how many sporepods in a row i will get now
willow scarab
Looking like i'll have 17-20k TR when raid is released too
if keys drop 3 lvls i should have a 20 for the first week of season 3 too
hopefully a 445 in time for mythic
strong forum
Yeah BTW, do you reckon you wanna buy 1 445 or 3x 430 initially
Cuz the raid ones don't look so good tbh
Since you can get a 445 every 2nd week anyway, might aswell get 430 instantly
willow scarab
Entirely depends how lucky you are with the 7 coins
I'm also an engineer and eng helm is always giga
tacit solstice
keen yacht
Is new patch live in NA?
austere oar
in a few hours iirc
full spruce
Servers will be down from 7am-3pm pst though
lethal plaza
lol damn long time
void meadow
its a vvvv big patch
sand egret
pshh, they just gotta flip a switch
inland mesa
But the switch always breaks D:
spice ferry
yeah in 8 hours
agile spruce
Can anyone link the spreadsheet that showed the ap grind and what to do?
there was a sick one posted a few days ago
heavy vault
rain tapir
I've read the essence guide but as a m+ mainly and raiding secondly warrior shouldn't we just use avatar major and minor?
or can't u stack em?
rapid jewel
major includes the minor
inland mesa
And you can only have an essence in once, not 3 of the same
rapid jewel
three VoP on resto druid, when the proc rate stacks and you never leave tranuility because of it 😃
exotic spoke
Three vop for us.... damn near perms avatar
exotic spoke
I mean at that point you’re not playing prot anymore
You’re an avatar of rage
modern brook
a golden god
exotic spoke
More grey scale
modern brook
a greyden god
exotic spoke
Lol
rain tapir
damn there will be alot of new stuff tomorrow then
rapid jewel
yeah but it is about time, the patch took a shitload of time
strong forum
Well yes, it's 2 zones, class changes, essences, a raid
Not all open but it's there
exotic spoke
Personally I’d rather they take time and get it right. However, time will tell if they got it right or not
rain tapir
+1
rapid jewel
they will nerf and buff essences during the first 2-4 weeks, thats for sure.
hasty nova
Humtol, yeah but if they nerf the amount of haste sphere provides
yet still have it provide haste
i will still use it as a secondary
exotic spoke
I mean - current theorycrafying says to use different ones
hasty nova
what does current theory say? I thought it was visions main, lucid sphere secondary
exotic spoke
Depends on what you’re doing but check pins.
hasty nova
where does it say in pins? i don't see it there
exotic spoke
Visions and lucid (in some form) are used for m+ and raids. Sometimes you use worldveins sometimes you use anima
hasty nova
oh nice riki I have not seen this wowhead one
exotic spoke
I know Marok updated icy veins
hasty nova
Whew, idk I feel like they are under playing value of sphere of suppression
rapid jewel
the first iteration of sphere was nuts, reduced enemy attack speed by 15% when they attack you and that was the passive
hasty nova
I always thought stacking haste was more important than gaining versility you would get from aegis of deep
strong forum
Haste is important for CDs and rage gain
hasty nova
conflict and strife also stacks vers
strong forum
So it never loses value
exotic spoke
I’d go by icyveins personally
hasty nova
yeah for surviability I might take those, but when i'm pushing keys I think i sould stick with the haste increase.
oh let me check that out right quick
strong forum
And VoP doesn't have to be explained
exotic spoke
Agree - it’s kinda interesting. I’ll get all four and play around but probably going vop, lucid, worldvein
rapid jewel
we already have a shitload of haste in m+, I run around with 50% haste. There comes a point where you dont care so much about anymore
hasty nova
yeah i agree with icy veins WAYYY over wowhead
strong forum
The rage refund directly translates into more CDs, thus more Avatar and more dps
heavy vault
talking about raids right
exotic spoke
Both
strong forum
M+ since raiding is easy
heavy vault
well guide says use anima for m+
strong forum
Yeah na
exotic spoke
It does - we’re questioning it
strong forum
Not sold on that one, but could be good nonetheless
We don't know
That's the thing, we don't know yet.
It's only ptr stuff not live
rapid jewel
i guess anima depends. with reaping yes, but begulging dont let you pull like you want , what you need to do to get big value of anima
hasty nova
ah i see why you are talking about worldvein now
I suppose that one is still up in the air then
exotic spoke
Humtol - you were going for week 1 (when it’s open) Perfection run right?
strong forum
Everything is kind of up in the air tbh
heavy vault
well anima says 1 target breaks even
strong forum
Cuz of changes
heavy vault
shouldnt be hard to get 5 targets for maximum value
strong forum
You mean 15
exotic spoke
For health yes bwiin. Also - maximizing value is way more targets
rapid jewel
VoP with 3 times BoM will be my first goal. I might try a weired build for single target dmg
hasty nova
no i think vop and lucid are no longer up in air
strong forum
We never know
hasty nova
i think those are pretty strait forward must takes, until they update stuff
hasty nova
oh yeah well in that case anything is possible >.< lol
heavy vault
can discuss what we got so far 🤷
fresh valley
well, i did a waycrest 14 last night just for one last hoorah of mega dps before it goes away. did 30k overall dps for the dungeon, highest ive ever done. 
hasty nova
Yeah worldvein seems better for raiding? and sphere better for mythic plus? thats what i'm gathering so far.
exotic spoke
Perfect operation mechagon run seems possible week one.
Concerned about two bosses mainly. The twins and king mechagon.
hasty nova
rapid jewel
not sure if i go for hardmode mechagon or perfect mechagon in week one
hasty nova
exotic spoke
I mean - you’re going for perfection week one. Why not try to get rank 4 right away
rapid jewel
rank 4 only gives you the cosmetic
hasty nova
i don't really care about the kiting thing as much, but just giving me haste to cast more claps would be worth it imo, especially with avatar off cooldown much more with VoP
exotic spoke
Thought it gave you the previous ranks too
strong forum
Ez
rapid jewel
perfection: no one dies during the run
strong forum
Can't you just straight up out gear it
exotic spoke
One shot mechanics
rapid jewel
hardmode is a certain order for the first 4 bosses, on the last four it is still not discovered
strong forum
Ah rip will never get that then
Cuz my guild is pepega
Too pepega for that shit
Or can you solo it
strong forum
Unluck
exotic spoke
What’s the order humtol?
rapid jewel
I want a high proc of the mechagon shield, seems pretty op
rapid jewel
the first 3 you need to do the ones with the 4th boss help over it, this unlocks the hardmode for boss 4
exotic spoke
And what does it give as a reward?
inland mesa
Really worldvein over sphere for raiding o.O
strong forum
I assume you can try mechagon as often as you want
hasty nova
yeah chew i would
rapid jewel
an achievment, but who knows what else? no one finished it yet
exotic spoke
Fair
inland mesa
What's worldvein from
strong forum
Islands I think
exotic spoke
It’s a mythic dungeon nomeratur. Don’t think you. Can die in there at all
signal plover
The world's veins
strong forum
Well if its 1shot mechanics
And you can't die once for r4
I haven't seen it so idk how hard it is
I don't know shit about the patch
Ima just yolo
Cuz it's the fastest way anyway
exotic spoke
One shot may be overstating. But definitely punishing
rapid jewel
Not sure how the improved visual will look on VoP
strong forum
Golden Avatar with flames
exotic spoke
Twins and last boss have definite one shot
strong forum
And you get a 2h Hammer
rapid jewel
yeah if someone fucks up the convaior belt you can say goodbye to your perfect run 😃
hasty nova
shit you know riki this icy veins is saying take anima of life and death as major power for mythic plus
it would have to be pretty strong dmg
exotic spoke
We can leap over the alarm bots btw
hasty nova
for that to be the case
rapid jewel
My guess is that begulging reduce the effectivness of anima
hasty nova
i mean i know that avatar got a slight nerf to dmg
so maybe the dmg'ed nerf vs the dmg of w/e but still
thats a big choice
exotic spoke
Easy to get higher ranks in world vein
strong forum
We don't truly know why marok has put it there so.. Ye
exotic spoke
And anima
strong forum
We can only speculate
exotic spoke
I’m betting it’s for defensive utility over avatar price given the BoM proc he said
hasty nova
i'm trying to find the page that showed all the esseneses what they do and how to get them
i can't find the link anyone have?
austere oar
rapid jewel
you get them all for the stuff you already do. Island, raids, dungeons, rep there are only a few from BGs but these arent major for us
hasty nova
I cannot veiw google docs at work 😦 any other way to veiw that sickness? thank you for that link tho
strong forum
The important ones you get via the zones and m+
hasty nova
@rapid jewel i disagree. I think sphere for the haste will be perfect for mythic plus and that is a honor one
strong forum
The rest you don't have to worry about
austere oar
wowhead should have a detailed list under the 8.2 category
warm plinth
I don’t see it saying we will use anima for M+, just that we want it available for M+. It even mentions the heal and puts no real highlight on the damage which implies it’s mentioned for its idol-like effect on the major.
And while idol is a strong trinket, we don’t use it all the time.
rapid jewel
@warm plinth this depends on your healer too, if you have CDs he can let you drop and do more dmg, with a pog healer, the active is kinda useless.
warm plinth
But again he highlighted the heal, not the damage. It very well could be a defensive suggestion.
hasty nova
i wasn't sold about worldvein for raids, but after reading up on it and listening to others, i am now a beleiver for taking it as a minor in raid
For mythic plus tho, i will have to test the difference of anima of life and death over visions. becuase unless it's serious dmg, i don't see it being better
inland mesa
What made worldvein jump in front of sphere for raids?
rapid jewel
it will take a shitload of time until we reach the third minor, where VoP and Lucid probably take the first two slots
warm plinth
Look at 8.1.5’s guide. Everything recommended is ranked defensively, not offensively. I don’t see why that would change now.
inland mesa
That's cuz Marok is a lover not a fighter
void berry
When you say you're gonna get VoP week 1,you mean week 1 of the raid right ?
It opens with the raid ?
rapid jewel
yes
warm plinth
Yeah can’t get it for a couple more weeks
void berry
Ok thx. Too bad.
warm plinth
You can technically get it in a week if you do whatever challenge they’re talking about to unlock rank 4 (which also unlocks rank 3)
hasty nova
I didn't realize rank 4 unlocked rank 3?
is that confirmed
rank 3 is time gated by like 4 weeks lol
that would be a strange loophole
warm plinth
That’s what people are saying. It would make sense though, since rank 4 by itself is useless.
Rank 4 is the cosmetic rank
hasty nova
I remain doubtful, why would they time gate rank 3 with 4 weeks and rank 2 with two weeks
if u can just do a dungon no deaths
and get all ranks
rapid jewel
no i doesnt make sense, and people put a lot of effort and gold in shit like this, see pets and mounts
hasty nova
yeah i think u can get rank 4 cosmetic effect, yet not have the rank 3 utility effect
I could be wrong that is pure speculation
warm plinth
Yeah who knows. Worst case people will do it and get the rank 4 visual and realize they don’t actually get rank 3
warm plinth
Sound pretty cool if it’s what they said up in chat a bit
rapid jewel
just wait two days and let other people test it, plan group accordingly to the result
warm plinth
Or just do it on an alt you don’t care about and practice haha
rapid jewel
I have 0 alts 😃
exotic spoke
The boss design in there is cool
warm plinth
I guess tbf I only really played one character until Legion which is when I went alt crazy
rapid jewel
yeah, since legion and the introduction with ap grinds i never bothered. I can torture myself through that with one char but two? never
exotic spoke
I have a second warrior a Druid and a bdk at 110 (bdk was a boost) but never played them really at all. Maybe less than a day played between them in total.
warm plinth
I have 11 120s XD
exotic spoke
I don’t play alts. If I play WoW it’s because my main since vanilla needs something or I want to do it
warm plinth
But only 2 are remotely geared. I have a 410 horde DH and a 408 alliance DH. My war is only 397
lusty grotto
I only played nimchy/chipadin/magechip cause I got bored waiting for people to log on for keys tbh
warm plinth
Once I get my zandas unlocked I will probably ignore the alliance toons altogether.
rapid jewel
Gearing is the easy part, it usually takes me one weak to get a char on a HC level
warm plinth
And just do war/pal/DH
3 alts will probably be pretty easy to maintain. I play a decent amount.
rapid jewel
If i even think of doing island on three different chars, I rather quit. Rather spend my time powergrinding in normal dungeons
warm plinth
I don’t care much about AP grinding so
I’m not raiding so I have no real pressure on that front
rapid jewel
yeah I like to progress on combat efficency on my char, that is what keeps me going
warm plinth
I do too. I just don’t need it to go at a pace that would require islands. That being said, I am grinding islands right now to get sandals to rep and it blows
Zandalari rep
lime wing
Should I run UF still? Damage went down from 100% do 30%, but the other row talents seems weak aswell...
simple stump
But cd Hello
rapid jewel
Yeah you still go for UF, the CDR on TC is worth it
lime wing
I thought so, thank you
echo cloud
i thought they were just going to do 100% to 50 jesus christ
why not just throw away prot warriors 😕
atomic copper
Marok: The UF nerf is a 35% nerf to Thunder Clap damage inside of Avatar (up from 25% from the previous datamined nerf).
This works out to a ~8% or so nerf to overall DPS in Single Target situations, and about a ~15% nerf to overall DPS in "average" AoE situations.
No, Prot isn't dead. No, Dragon Roar is not better. Prot will still do a lot of damage in dungeons and we are by no means unviable or anything of the sort.
rapid jewel
we will still beat dps on aoe pulls
does someone know which shield get first depleted when you have a lot them or do they take all the same amount?
rapid jewel
I wonder where the mechagon shield proc will be.
sand egret
👀
@rapid jewel from what I've found there are basically two types of interactions that can happen, which I believe is based on the source of the shield. Is there a specific shield you're wondering about?
rapid jewel
yeah the one from this: https://ptr.wowhead.com/item=169068/salvaged-mekacycle-shielding&bonus=4779:1472
would be nice if it isnt the first one which gets wreacked from my 5 active shields 😃
sand egret
🤔
inland mesa
if all 5 are up at once you form Captain Planet and you instantly 1 shot the boss
sick sentinel
Hey guys so trinket question. 400 Bwondamdi trinket oor 380 uunat trinket
sand egret
I can't say for certain since I haven't messed with that shield. However, I'd expect to fall into the aura category....but the trigger part could put it in the on-use category
if we're lucky and it's the 2nd one, then pumping IP will allow you to get more value out of the damage proc (TLDR: is that on-use shields like M'chimba's Bandages take the damage after IP while aura types like Resounding Protection take the full damage before IP is even touched)
it's a funky but interesting distinction that i stumbled upon, tbh
rapid jewel
so aura gets depleeted before on use? What is about the new shield trinket from the raid vs prism, prism is an aura i assume while the new faithless trinket moght be an on use?
sand egret
prism follows the same rules as RP
so it takes the damage then IP does
opposed to splitting it 50/50 with IP
rapid jewel
so https://ptr.wowhead.com/item=169315/edicts-of-the-faithless&bonus=4798:1487 could be the second categorie with the on use on it making it stronger overall?
sand egret
my theory is that when you equip something that provides a shield that continually refreshes it's essentially an aura. So I think it's treated differently than on-use stuff under the hood
HUGE caveat is that this is purely my theory
Oh snap
I never noticed that trinket....
love it
the "equip" part seems like it would fall into the Prism/RP style
rapid jewel
but the last line in the text has an on use
sand egret
the tooltip looks broke so I'm not sure what the on-use does..per se
rapid jewel
the first iteration of the trinket said it activatet it, ergo give you the first sheild
sand egret
but if it creates a shield, it could fall into the M'chimba style. Just gotta find some poor sucker to run the raid for me and nab it so I can make them test it 😃
accepting guinea pig applications currently
rapid jewel
not sure if i want this to depleted fast or not, 67k absorb every 16 seconds (- haste) looks pretty insane
sand egret
im pretty sure if it lasts 15 sec it just refreshes like similar skills
rapid jewel
yeah but it wont get the 10% bonus I guess, I wonder if it dont get depleeted at max stages does it go back to stage 1 or dops it one stage
but thanks for the explanation anyway, if I get this I will contact you 😃
scenic mural
Does anyone think that devastator with reckless fury azerite trait is viable? I’m new here, i like devastator playstyle more but dont want to overly gimp myself
warm plinth
That's a parse build for PURE single target
As soon as you have a single additional target, it's no longer viable.
weary veldt
anyone else think its really dumb king mecha drops two different ilvl azerite pieces?
rapid jewel
@scenic mural if you do/try it, take a dagger
warm plinth
What? Is that a thing? 🤔
sand egret
(but I think we strongly suggest you dont try it 😃 )
warm plinth
You can't cast Revenge with a dagger as far as I know...
rapid jewel
@warm plinth its a really simple playstyle, reduces your dmg skills form 4 to two, where you wont get in danger of wasting rage on revenge. Its ok if you find tanking hard and want to focus more on mechanics and def uses
warm plinth
Why would spending rage on Revenge be wasteful in a build dedicated to doing damage? 🤔
rapid jewel
since you wont need it, dagger devastator gives you tons of procs
sand egret
going an offensive build to focus on def seems...odd
warm plinth
I do not think that's a thing.
sand egret
prob better off playing a diff class at that point, since you're just like...not using abilities as part of your kit
that's like a DK saying I dont wanna use blood boil
west galleon
not really lol
warm plinth
Besides, losing Revenge would be a massive loss to damage. Regardless of increased procs from a dagger, that doesn't mean you will have no free globals to cast Revenge
sand egret
and like...it's our only other aoe device outside of TClap
just seems weird to not use it
warm plinth
Well and in the top 5 parses, Revenge is like 8-10% of their damage
sand egret
assuming your desire is to learn
warm plinth
On Jaina
And that's running Devastator, so obviously they have time to use it
Using a dagger isn't going to eliminate 92 revenge casts
west galleon
comparing someone who’s really good at prot to a hypothetical someone who is so bad at prot they don’t want to use revenge
rapid jewel
what is the fight legth on that parse?
west galleon
what a big brain u have
warm plinth
8 minutes
7:59 to be specific
And btw I don't think anyone is actually using RF to parse anymore. The 4 of the top 5 who are using Deva aren't using RF; they're using 2 BoM, 1 DC, 3 TC
warm plinth
And even the guy who is using RF isn't using a dagger
lusty grotto
What is this classic
warm plinth
Gotta apply those sunders hella quick
(not even sure you could sunder with a dagger tbh lol; i didn't play warrior then)
rapid jewel
8 minutes = 7 minutes active on that boss. 160 auto swings with a sword vs 234 with a dagger. One autoswing with devastator + reckless fury = 6k dmg. Its really dump playstyle, but it works and its really easy, which let a bad player focus more on the important parts
sand egret
fucking warriors stealing all my daggers
warm plinth
He's not saying to use it for weapon damage
He's saying faster swings = more slam procs from Devastator
west galleon
rf would proc more too wouldn’t it
rapid jewel
yes, you basiclly do 4 procs on a auto swing, 3 times RF + devastator
lusty grotto
Do you have proof of this
warm plinth
Yeah
rapid jewel
its stupid, it wont get you rank 1 but it is super easy to play
exotic spoke
Fuck - time to grab a dagger
rapid jewel
go on the ptr, azerite gear there is for free, as well as a good dagger and test it out 😃
warm plinth
Just seems like a weird suggestion to make a bad player play a bad build (outside of very niche situations) and use a bad weapon to play better
lusty grotto
Yeah test it out and post the results
warm plinth
Like if they're that bad that they need some gimmicky ass shit like that, they probably aren't killing Jaina
on Mythic
exotic spoke
I wouldn’t personally recommend RF to new players
west galleon
did the person that asked say they were on mythic Jaina? i don’t see that but maybe I missed it
lusty grotto
As far as i know gale force is the only thing that might contribute positively to that build. Certainly not daggers.
primal sable
novel temple
Can’t we just take the new axe that increases our attack speed instead now?
(When the raid comes out)
rapid jewel
what axe?
lusty grotto
Depends if it affects RF/deva. There were items in legion (ring from court for example) that increased attack speed but they absolutely didn't work with devastator
Even then
Devastator is an ST parse build
lusty grotto
You gain less rage than BV, you are less defensive without BV, you are likely to trigger AM less as a consequence
fierce juniper
The Icy Veins guide has been updated for Patch 8.2.
https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/protection-warrior-pve-tank-guide
Not much is changing for Prot itself with the patch other than the UF nerf. The main thing to check out of course is the Essences page. It's still a work in progress and things are subject to change. Feedback is greatly appreciated.
Additionally, the guide has not been updated for Season 3 (2 weeks from now) changes. i.e. Palace, Operation: Mechagon, etc.
sand egret
o7
exotic spoke
Servers up btw
astral crystal
anyone else's keyboard not work in-game?
exotic spoke
For NA according to guildees of mine
rapid jewel
nim, there are always bosses in raids that hit the tank like a wet noodle, where you dont need the extra BV uptime. Opulence for example
astral crystal
only esc works
lusty grotto
Smh
rapid jewel
becaue spirit padding is for paring, not for killing the boss
fossil heron
isnt most jaina dmg not about autos anyways?
novel temple
@rapid jewel this axe https://ptr.wowhead.com/item=168902/dreams-end&bonus=4798:1487
Also the ring from court increased damage, not speed @lusty grotto
rancid cedar
what is the essence anima of life and death?
lusty grotto
exotic spoke
God damnit why couldn’t this patch come out next week
exotic spoke
End of quarter and super busy with 12 hour days at work
tough vault
ah 😦 rip
exotic spoke
Working that until Saturday
novel temple
I feel your pain Riki
exotic spoke
So much shit to do on live and if PTR is up to continue testing things there
modern brook
honestly end of quarter is probably exactly why they pushed it out this week
if ppl resub it makes their quarterly look better
exotic spoke
I don’t disagree - but god damn it’s frustrating lol
modern brook
indeed
inland mesa
Anyone have a link to the 3.01mb patch keeps freezing my computer D:
sick sentinel
Be careful when you start the Nazajtar stuff if you're hoping for a 415 weapon. It's only giving 370 rn.
If you are like most though 415 weapon is whatevers
vocal skiff
Why does ElvUI not have something by now, feels bad to play standard UI
trail whale
"by now"
ornate ferry
Just glad the days of 4 ElvUI updates a day are over
lusty grotto
Why would elvui break
At work right now but
It has never broken on patch releases for me
vocal skiff
No idea
exotic spoke
Did you check “use out of date addons”?
vocal skiff
I did, and then tried using them outdated. Nevertheless, it's no concern, as a new version is up
Now I am just trying to figure out why aren't my weakauras not loading lol
steel phoenix
Did emissaries reset on US?
open bluff
no
warm plinth
I've had friends who said ElvUI broke on patches @lusty grotto but I'm with you; it's never been broken on patch days for me.
Now watch, I'm gonna get home from work today and mine'll be broken (I'm not going to update it at first, just so I can check 😂)
inland mesa
Took an hour to get game to patch, now I crash at nazjatar cut scene and game freezes process wont die computer wont restart need to manually turn it off to get it to open again to repeat. Great patch 10/10
junior ivy
is there a new patch today
brisk ferry
yes
warm plinth
guy asks a question about the patch
asks if there's a new patch
brisk ferry
I came back after a few months, I actually wanted to play my monk but looks like I need to pvp in order to get the best essence
guess I'll just play warrior some more
terse dragon
topaz ridge
Guys any opinion on this Trinket for Tanks? http://us.battle.net/wow/en/item/159619 I just got a M+10 Titanforged ilvl425 vrsion of this
Currently I have Rezans Eye and Bwonsandi's Bargain
neon tangle
@exotic spoke I feel your pain
lusty grotto
Yeah I'm crunching this week too
End of quarter ftl
But at least I got vacays next week
Do you need bwomsamdi @topaz ridge ?
rapid jewel
bwoswandi is pretty garbage to be honest
lusty grotto
Doe sit activate for you a lot currently?
Because otherwise it's doing absolutely nothing for you
naive panther
So how’s the nerf feel to people? Anyone rage quit yet?
late imp
what traits are bis now whit nerf same ?
lusty grotto
What is rage quitting though, prot Warrior main since vanilla ftw
Icy veins guide is updated @late imp 
naive panther
Yeah I’m just curious if anyone is livid.
lusty grotto
its kind of old news by now
rapid jewel
icy veins is updated? Quick navigation is still over the new entchant with shield?
trail whale
i'm sure people are freaking out as they're doing world content in nazjatar about their damage right now
lusty grotto
you might have missed a couple of reactions, and when i mean reactions i just mean "are warriors still vaible" type questions
naive panther
I’m more angry they haven’t improved vengeance properly or scaled other tanks dps up like they should have.
I saw a lot of that bs.
I mean I’m still planning to play warrior even with everything happening as well. But know how a nerf feels when you play it the first time.
tulip arch
The change log on the icy-veins enchants page does say it was updated today for 8.2
Like it has the new enchant for rings listed
Same with the new feast
lusty grotto
yeah
600 haste is a lot
from a defensive point of view
compared to a static 15k absorb
and obviously naga hide has an icd
tulip arch
Yea, it's possible it still has a higher value than the new enchants, or even just that it provides more consistent value rather than spiking stats
sand egret
I feel proud, I'll actually get a cache this week!
As a side note, it's realllllly hard to unlearn 10 years of muscle memory
oof
lusty grotto
traitor.gif
sand egret
i had to switch my keybindings at some point, having SB on a shift modifier was...problematic