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#protection
viral arch
willow scarab
mop cape was grinded through every raid
west galleon
i played sub rogue so ring+soul cap was big explosion
willow scarab
cape was given in SoO
chilly brook
That’s what I get for not playing the xpac
west galleon
that wasn't even the fastest iron reaver kill
viral arch
Yup, there is faster
willow scarab
that looked sick
chilly brook
“Anyone else feeling really gay right now” LMAO
willow scarab
i quit in BRF
chilly brook
You missed out
willow scarab
got realm first blackhand and then quit to do uni work
chilly brook
HFC was great
willow scarab
came back for 3 weeks in EN then left again until uldir ended
west galleon
besides tyrant velhari fuuuuck that bitch
viral arch
and it was made even more infuriating by the fact that she literally dropped nothing good
chilly brook
I’m still sad that my guild died in Uldir
viral arch
the trinket was a trap
west galleon
she dropped a mace that was funny looking on some races xd
viral arch
yeah
chilly brook
Only got one kill on Vectis, Zek and Fetid during a trial before I took a break due to burnout
viral arch
I tried going through uldir
chilly brook
I actually enjoyed Uldir
chilly brook
I hated doing mother on Mythic though
I got stuck with the adds which killed any chance at parsing
viral arch
How much did you glitch her vs. how much instantkills did you suffer
oh, yeah
bitchduty
chilly brook
Yea
Something about tclap being OP and adds died faster and we wouldn’t have to worry about them if I did it compared to our BrM
viral arch
more like you would get clapped by MOTHER when there was only one healer left in the room
vs. /afk
chilly brook
Funny how that happens, you can parse your heart out in any other difficulty but once you get to Mythic it’s like “nah fuck you bitch duty”
It took me weeks to convince my raid leader we only needed one tank for Taloc
chilly brook
Yeah
viral arch
we ox statued it
chilly brook
“What if you die”
viral arch
because why the fuck not
drop ox statue on transition, job done
taloc himself did legit 0 damage
chilly brook
Don’t get me wrong I liked my guild but when I was billed “cutting edge” I think they oversold themselves
west galleon
who the fuck does that
viral arch
heretics, I tell you
exotic spoke
Everything has a cutting edge if you try hard enough
chilly brook
Especially when criticizing wipes on Zek cuz people kept walking into clouds and spawning adds is being too elitist
viral arch
Depends where the puddle was
puddle in china? person's fault
puddle below the boss? find who dropped it
viral arch
my favourite was the "half the raid just died to laserbeam"
west galleon
then blame tank for not moving 🗿
viral arch
nah, it was during a time there was no reason to be stacked
chilly brook
My favorite was having to taunt the boss halfway through the combo because our BrM “couldn’t” take the whole combo
viral arch
What
He knows he can't die, yeah?
if you're taking the boss first you need 18k HP coming out of the combo on the very first one
chilly brook
Apparently not
viral arch
every other one you cannot die
there is no unavoidable damage after any other combo
if you're taking the boss #2 it's the fourth combo I think?
chilly brook
I don’t remember anymore
All I know is I laughed about it quite a bit
Especially when the whole guild was like “you sure about playing prot in BFA? I’ve heard they’re gonna be bad. Are you gonna keep your monk geared just in case?”
Then endgame hit and it was like “you take no damage, this is boring”
sand egret
Honorable mention to the best IRL tank: Hat's off to you, random person in Philly, for taunting half the internet's traffic this morning breaking tons of shit. 🛡
chilly brook
Lol
sand egret
If your shit was failing ~6 hours ago....blame your co-tank 😃
hasty nova
I'm looking at how to rank up vision of perfection and I see that you need 4 https://ptr.wowhead.com/item=169774/progression-sprocket but it seems that you can only get 1 sprocket per week from King Mechagon????
so it will take at min 4 weeks to get from rank 2 to rank 3?
😦 feels
sand egret
that'd be time-gating, yeah
hasty nova
I think most prot warriors agree that Visions of Perfection is the best main slot essence. What about the other two minor essences? What is the current theory on best minors.
I would hate to randomly doing 8.2 things and find out I should have been getting "X" every week to level up my minor BiS essence.
chilly brook
I’m not sure if we have a concrete answer on that
hasty nova
I was reading up a bit, it seems some prot warriors would want Aegis of the Deep for the versatility minor buff
i personally think i will level Sphere of Suppression for the haste buff.
XD
but that means I will need to do the war coordinator NPC stuff and battlefield tactician
warm plinth
Lucid Dreams and Sphere are the most mentioned possibilities for minors.
But we'll have to see how they play out
hasty nova
50k honor from pvp
hasty nova
joins AV we have 11 tanks in here.
warm plinth
lol
chilly brook
Imagine forcing pve’rs to do pvp
warm plinth
Ikr
chilly brook
Oh wait that was WoD
warm plinth
Tbh I will probably not get Sphere just because I would have to do PvP
And I'm not about that life.
chilly brook
Cuz there was nothing to do outside of raids 🙃
hasty nova
I don't mind it so much, just another grind. would rather do pvp than islands personally so i'm with it.
warm plinth
Idk, I can carry an island on my own. Not so much a BG
Plus islands are like 7 mins where a BG can be 15-20
hasty nova
Azeroth's Undying Gift is like a second sheild wall. Could be nice for Mythic Raiding. as a major power
warm plinth
I can't see us using anything besides Vision for a major essence at this point in time. It's just too strong.
Unless there's a situation during WF prog that requires a second Shield Wall
chilly brook
I don’t know why you would need a second shield wall though
hasty nova
Yeah, it's hard for me to think of anything that would require that tho. I guess it would have to be extremely circumstantial
warm plinth
¯_(ツ)_/¯
Who knows; could be a tank buster that's not blockable or something that needs to be mitigated. But it would also have to be something an external couldn't be used for so it's very very unlikely
I was just mentioning a hypothetical scenario that would be the only time we'd use that over Visions (which is probably a nonexistent hypothetical situation)
chilly brook
Just have a DH taunt and blade dance it 🙃
hasty nova
I am assuming someone has done the dps difference of rank 3 crucible of flame vs vision of perfection for mythic plus damage?
or is it just assumed that visions will provide better/more dmg to mobs
warm plinth
Not sure anyone has done the actual math but you can rest assured it will be done (since that's usually done after we can be relatively certain no further changes will be made). I can't see a ~30% increase in uptime on Avatar being worse than Crucible though.
hasty nova
I mean, I agree with the assuming but I have not done the math or seen it done.
I guess tomorrow we can find out more. and the following weeks
warm plinth
I'm sure it's already being worked on with the patch so close.
But we still have 2 more weeks before Visions exists in-game so there's still plenty of time for last minute changes
hasty nova
oh? it's not being released tomorrow?
warm plinth
No, it's obtained from Mechagon, which doesn't come out til July 9th
chilly brook
Well here’s the question
chilly brook
We know the UF nerf hits us with ~15% reduction in damage
hasty nova
unless there is only mythic option
warm plinth
Pretty sure it's Mythic only anyway
Until they break it up for heroic/mythic+ later on
chilly brook
How much of a buff in damage would a ~30% uptime in avatar be
Because tbh if it’s ~15% or more I don’t see any other essences beating it out with how we’ve scaled
hasty nova
It's just hard for me to fathom why the game designers would add so much tanking "major power" damage items, when it would be better for us to just use visions and get avatar more often
tropic star
does the life and death one see decent for a minor power in dungeons
hasty nova
I'm not saying that they don't normally make bad choices.
warm plinth
I think that math is beyond me. But you're looking at at least a 20% damage boost on probably ~80% (likely a little more) uptime.
hasty nova
just that is a lot of different dmg essenses. like Anima of life and death doing max health in fire dmg
tropic star
its 2.5 min Cd tho
warm plinth
Not accounting for the BoM/small boM procs
hasty nova
well rank three of visions also gives you and 2 other nearby allies 107 haste for 10seconds
warm plinth
It does
hasty nova
that is a pretty sweet random buff to throw in...
warm plinth
But the proc, if it happens outside of an existing Avatar, has a reduced effect.
tropic star
still
hasty nova
pretty thick iceing on the cake. I mean tyranical weeks and two rogues on a boss with ya
warm plinth
It's still amazing because it's still 20% extra damage from the base Avatar. You just only get like 630 mastery instead of 1.8k (assuming 415 azerite with 3 BoM)
hasty nova
prot warrior dps is nice and all but buffing the actual dps has always been super effeicent for over all party dmg.
undone sun
He did state it just yesterday
warm plinth
Yeah, but we never used BoM for the IP anyway. At worst it'll be a minor defensive loss (since it could potentially overwrite a larger shield)
undone sun
Yup
hasty nova
the ripple in space is at the very least interesting.. allowing you to port.
with heroic leap i don't see us using it
but dk's or other lesser tank classes
might find use for that trash
shit that essence would have been a HUGE deal for G'huun.... lol
warm plinth
The damage is alright but it's got a long CD and the 2 second wait could be a little obnoxious.
You can walk 25 yards in 2 seconds
chilly brook
Huh
warm plinth
Well, run
chilly brook
I guess I shouldn’t be too surprised but visions probably won’t be getting taken that much for DH
sand egret
you can use it as a poor mans Transcendence maybe for some funky pull shenanigans
warm plinth
Yeah, like pop it down behind LoS, leap out to pull shit, get ported back
hasty nova
yeah blade that is what i was playing around with
chilly brook
Transcendence is 👌🏻
sand egret
the Ripple that is, esp if it doesnt factor in LoS
warm plinth
I can't imagine it would since it's porting to a set location like demonic portal and transcendence
Neither of which are affected by LoS I don't think (I know Trans isn't)
hasty nova
I guess what i'm ""Really"" wondering is, Do i need to be getting rank three of all of these esseneces in preperation learning curve of the patch. or blessily have these things already been learnt, and i can lazily just get visions, sphere, and 1 other good minor
warm plinth
But on the other hand, not using Visions would be bad
chilly brook
I mean we’ve survived this long without a port
warm plinth
Unless there's some gimmicky shit in the raid, I doubt we'd be changing our essences a huge amount.
chilly brook
I don’t think we’ll need one
warm plinth
Yeah, and no one is gonna give up Visions for it
hasty nova
I guess another question is
Can i use dps essences while tanking?
Like blood of the enemy has a nice
minor power
thunder clap crits would allow us to get 40 stacks quickly
sand egret
yeah, that essence is a DPS specific one
hasty nova
So in order for the essence to work i would have to be in arms or fury?
warm plinth
Yeah the DPS role ones can't be used by tanks afaik
sick sentinel
Does VoP proc BoM?
shut summit
Yes
Weaker bom
If vop procs during your cast avatar then it just extends the strong bom
sick sentinel
35% value BoM right?
sick sentinel
Will other majors be more helpful than VoP then or will VoP still be the top one
shut summit
Prolly still vop
sick sentinel
Are their localized sims for the traits yet or no
mortal pike
Undying Gift defensively?
undone sun
@sick sentinel no
Instead of asking daily you should ask hourly and maybe it'll be up
junior ivy
lol
lusty grotto
mwahi is the one that works on the APL
so until he does something there's not gonna be any sims iirc
undone sun
Afaik the essences weren't even in SimC till very recently
lusty grotto
gotcha
undone sun
So that was out of mwahis hands
lusty grotto
undying gift sounds nice but it's not visions for major
plus its only available in the raid so
ionic fern
Jeap, they recently got put in and i've been busy real life dealing with things.
lusty grotto
no rush no rush
ionic fern
But i'll get around to it soonish. Probably in the next couple of days.
undone sun
Pfft @ionic fern you have no real life obligations 😡
lusty grotto
sounds like it'll be super tedious
ionic fern
True story @undone sun YOu know the SF contract...my soul now belongs to SKyhold.
undone sun
Yup
lusty grotto
what kind of information from the traits would you need
to make it easier
like proc rates and stuff like that?
ionic fern
That should now all be implemented in the SIMC backend.
lusty grotto
i see
sick sentinel
and I said localized, not public release lol
chilly brook
@ionic fern psszzhhh real life commitments? Who needs those?
haughty haven
Anyone have a theory on what essences to get asap tomorrow?
lusty grotto
😡
fierce phoenix
Mechagon?
haughty haven
@lusty grotto I checked the pins, I did a search, but was looking for a more concise answer. What is the point of this discord if not to be able to ask questions
haughty haven
I don't understand what that means @undone sun Current topic?
undone sun
What's being discussed
lusty grotto
you can scroll a bit up or search for visions/essences/traits
we've just had a million questions about it
in the last couple of days
exotic spoke
I mean - it’s a matter of we don’t know.
It’s being talked about right now.
we have feelycraft ideas but not theorycrafter
And the one that a lot of people believe will be our major isn’t available tomorrow anyway
haughty haven
oh so we can't talk about more then once topic at a time, I miss understood.
I also am unable to read this group constantly, so when i come on there is like 250 unread messages
Sorry to interupt
lusty grotto
gotta love these passive aggressive types
exotic spoke
People predict vision of perfection will be our major but we don’t know.
Good luck getting that in the next two weeks though
haughty haven
I am not trying to be passive aggressive, that is the problem with the internet. I am honestly sorry that I have not figured out the way to use the class discords to find information quickly. @lusty grotto So no sarcasm or passive aggressiveness.
lusty grotto
🤷
haughty haven
I will work on finding better search terms and see if I can find a way to utilize the tool better
oblique garnet
Nimcy dont be rude
lusty grotto
the problem isn't that you're searching, its that we don't know because the content isn't out
we have some ideas
but those are probably not set in stone
haughty haven
@lusty grotto that is why my orignial question said "Theroy"
not give me the answers or I will troll you!!! 122333
lusty grotto
our ideas won't even be live tomorrow for the most part
a great number of essences do not go live tomorrow
any essence available in raid, mechagon, m+ related
haughty haven
Yep totally get that
oblique garnet
In theory we could do the same what archi did for fury and arms but i dont think any of us has the time
haughty haven
thanks for letting me know I am not totally off base by feeling like its kinda up in the air
lusty grotto
only one we think will be good and will be available tomorrow is... lucid dreams?
let me rephrase that
sphere as well
but since we will only have 1 major and 1 minor at the start
lethal plaza
There might be 1 'goto' essence, but I honestly think it'll depend on the content and encounter you are currently doing that will determine which essence would be 'best'
lusty grotto
you need neck lvl 55 to open up your 2nd minor, keep that in mind
and neck lvl 65 for the final minor
chilly brook
@haughty haven you can say you weren’t being something but the fact of the matter is how you put your response down was passive aggressive
exotic spoke
For the most part I think it’s vision of perfection and lucid dreams as major and minor (once perfection is available)
I think it’ll be pretty much for everything personally
haughty haven
@chilly brook I think no matter what I say it comes off as passive agressive, because thats what we are used to on the internet
lusty grotto
nullification dynamo is also a contender
haughty haven
Like saying I am sorry. comes off as Well I am sorrry you elitist assholes
chilly brook
It’s more of how you form the response
lusty grotto
that's certainly not what im used to in the internet
exotic spoke
Truth - looking at that as an option for the third one
lusty grotto
and im one of the oldest people here
haughty haven
@chilly brook I am not good at the english... never been like it
lusty grotto
that's more likely the case
haughty haven
I will stop talking, sorry for any issues I started. Thank you for the info.
chilly brook
And I can see that, not holding it against you just letting you know
No need
You can stay around
Hell everyone here knows I’m an ass all the time
lusty grotto
i think i will go suppression or lucid dreams tomorrow
haven't decided yet
so i'll test them out in M+
exotic spoke
Going for lucid dreams tomorrow personally. Probably can’t get them until Wednesday / Thursday if I remember
chilly brook
I’m too far behind to even know
lusty grotto
well yeah you gotta do the quests and shit
chilly brook
Or even be able to go one right away
exotic spoke
And level up a bodyguard
chilly brook
Nah fam I gotta hit 50 first 🤢
exotic spoke
What do you need to do to get sphere of suppression again!
lusty grotto
you don't
chilly brook
Oh
lusty grotto
sphere is win a bg for r1
lucid dreams is just the first quest
should be easy enough
exotic spoke
Yeah - doesn’t that have to be in season 3?
And also - pretty sure it’s level a hero
lusty grotto
those 2, i don't think so?
the quest for sphere is available atm
its from the war coordinator
chilly brook
What is Anima from?
lusty grotto
yeah lucid dreams is a rank 3 bodyguard, that one you're right about Riki
anima won't be available until s3
chilly brook
Oof
lusty grotto
well
i suppose we'd have to see if its obtainable
its only 4+ mythic dungeons
nevermind
Complete a 4+ Mythic Dungeon in Season 3 and loot the end of dungeon chest.
exotic spoke
Yup can’t do that one yet
I’m hoping to get a flawless operation mechagon first week. Maybe a pipe dream but we’ll see
lusty grotto
only 3 available that are tank exclusives tomorrow will be sphere, dynamo, and aegis
chilly brook
Azeroths undying wish or w/e would probably be super nice on DH tbh
lusty grotto
essences for all specs will all be available with the exception of Visions
chilly brook
Short CD strong defensive
lusty grotto
yeah too bad its raid locked
sick sentinel
chilly brook
Conflict is supposed to be good too
lusty grotto
theres like 3 traits locked behind doing pvp
world pvp, instanced pvp, you name it
conflict, ripple, sphere
chilly brook
I feel dirty refilling
Rerolling*
But hey I enjoy it and it’s a downgrade soooooo
lusty grotto
so basically our pool tomorrow will be:
All Specs
The Crucible of Flame (starting quest)
Worldvein Resonance (cap island expeditions for the treasure map quest)
Ripple in Space (kill 25 opposing faction while in warmode in Nazjatar)
Memory of Lucid Dreams (get a rank 3 bodyguard in Nazjatar)
Conflict and Strife (Earn 500 Conquest and claim a weekly PvP War Chest.)
Tank spec only
Aegis of the deep (Honored with your Nazjatar rep)
Nulllification Dynamo (Honored with your Rustbolt rep)
Sphere of Suppression (Win a normal/epic BG or a PVP island expedition)
These won't be available until Season 3 which is 2 weeks after
Visions of Perfection (all specs - Complete Mechagon)
Azeroth's Undying Wish (tank spec - requires drops from the raid)
Anima of Life and Death (tank spec - requires season 3 M+ completion)
and at least 1 of those is locked behind leveling a bodyguard in nazjatar
3 of them locked behind pvp
chilly brook
I’ll probably be going for conflict
lusty grotto
2 locked behind rep
rotund sluice
has anyone done the math on theoretically how long it will take to get to exalted with naj/mech (assuming ideal conditions)?
lusty grotto
how long did it take you to reach exalted with the current reps
it'll be more or less the same
you do WQs there, hope for an emmisary, use rep buffs like darkmoon faire, etc
no idea if there are any other ways to get rep
via grinding or turn ins
exotic spoke
I just wish I had more info on operation mechagon
Also, some of it’s going to be luck dependent on mission tables
lusty grotto
ah yes the long forgotten mission table
sick sentinel
@chilly brook you are everywhere my man!
exotic spoke
It’s good for ap /rep / runes - finishing missions as quickly as possible
green helm
probably been asked loads but what do i need to farm 8.2 for best essense? or which ones are the favoured?
exotic spoke
We don’t know yet
And yes it’s been asked a lot
We think vision of perfection / lucid dreams - but we don’t know. More feelycraft than theorycraft
green helm
yeah sorry , thought as much
lusty grotto
the rest won't be available until 2 weeks after... season 3 only
undone sun
Stats won't push you over that tbh
sick sentinel
But i will take a lot of dmg
sick sentinel
5 mobs insta goes me to 30%
undone sun
As long as you take ilevel on most slots, it's more up to proper play
sick sentinel
My ilel is pretty low for 20 i have only 409 equiped
409,97
proper play will still help you tho
But i don't do something wrong at mechanincs
i avoid all spell and i kite as much i can
lusty grotto
ok i updated my list again
sick sentinel
I use to use only 1 BoM and 3 DCs with 409 and 19/20s were fine
lusty grotto
sick sentinel
But if mobs hit me for 5sce i 'm dead
undone sun
Sounds like CD and am management issues then, or healers completely ignoring you
undone sun
You're wrong though
lusty grotto
one of these things is not like the other
undone sun
Stats won't make you magically survive
oblique garnet
Mobs killing you in 5 seconds on non tyrannical week🤔
undone sun
That's entirely up to proper play on your side and the healers side
analog swift
un related, anima of life and death might be pretty memey with last stand +commanding
sick sentinel
Like, I use No Defensive traits basically. 3 DCs, 1 BoM. No tank trinkets and 400 shield
and I could do 19/20s fine
409 ilvl
sick sentinel
I have to say it again because he generally think it's a stat issue
analog swift
LOL wrong person
sick sentinel
i ahve 3 dc 2 bs and 1 bom
analog swift
that's wack traits
oblique garnet
Well theres your problem
sick sentinel
That's exactly what I have tho
lusty grotto
getting carried to 2.5k dang
sick sentinel
and I dn't have issues
undone sun
2 Bs definitely isn't great
analog swift
yeah it's not all traits ofc, but no IF is fucked but it does always astonish me just how high people can be carried with a good healer and a consistent group/pool of keys to choose from
sick sentinel
But i have the same healer from the start of the season
sick sentinel
I reroll from dk to warrior 3 weeks before
lusty grotto
you're basically carried by exceptional dps and heals
but you absolutely shouldn't be deleted in 3 seconds by non fortified mobs
analog swift
and ofc having 5 keys to choose from is always nice
lusty grotto
that alone raises a big red flag
oblique garnet
Dk and warrior are basically the opposites in terms of how they play
sick sentinel
Warrios are fun to play
chilly brook
@sick sentinel meh I'm mostly just in here, sometimes I pop my head into the dh discord
sick sentinel
Warrior man?
chilly brook
yea was a warrior main
sick sentinel
What do you main now?
lusty grotto
warries
sick sentinel
Nice. Ill probably dump my time into it as well. Only thing i want is a pve/pvp character. Hard to find a good combination unless its dps
like pure dps classes i mean
Maybe ill make the DH pvp as well as pve
chilly brook
Imagine a class that had 2 tank specs and 1 dps spec
chilly brook
ngl I'm a bad person
joined some random guild
dude asks if anyone wants to buy that cool 2h sword from island expeditions I bought it off him for 5k then another guy tells him it's worth 75k and I dipped outta the guild
sick sentinel
XD
lusty grotto
jesus christ
undone sun
👀
chilly brook
no ragrets
tropic star
was tehre a 'first 2 week' essence pick for us? im assuming visions is the go to once mechagon released
lusty grotto
dunno sound like Lucid dreams and Sphere are good
sick sentinel
hello
so I took a look at the new raids azerite
and saw the combos
shit's looking good for prot
tropic star
were new azerite trait descriptions reeleaaed
sand egret
whats the new zone trait
lusty grotto
guess im fucked then
chilly brook
@sick sentinel IF is bad though 
sick sentinel
???
chilly brook
I'me memeing off of this morning
sick sentinel
I was not reading hell #prot this morning sorry
chilly brook
Don't blame you
lusty grotto
you mean the guy that got banned twice?
sick sentinel
wait wtf
lusty grotto
parsemonger
sick sentinel
people got banned? nice
lusty grotto
yeah its a dude that has ban evaded a lot
hes 100%,99% parses
just flat out giving incorrect advice to people
chilly brook
Was his name parsemonger this morning? Cuz I didn't see that
chilly brook
huh didn't see any of those this morning
sand egret
https://ptr.wowhead.com/spell=303008/undulating-tides 🤔 that shield....not too bad.
below 50% so the threshold is reasonably high to see practical use and 45 second cooldown is also short enough that it could be up reasonably often. at a 435 ilvl (just pulled that one out of my ass) it's 46k per, which isn't the worst.
sick sentinel
^^with 0 vers
sand egret
does it scale with Vers?
not seeing it in wowhead, but I could be looking at the wrong tooltip data
sand egret
😱
oblique garnet
sick sentinel
anyhow, it's 54k shield at 550 which is mythic level
sand egret
it's one of those safety net style mechanics, that actually doesn't fall into the common traps
sick sentinel
look what the problem is
sand egret
could be a good mid-tier choice for those needing that cushion
esp in dungeons for more nervous prots
sick sentinel
the damage proc can't proc when the shield is calling down
sand egret
yeah, but at that point you maybe don't care about the extra dps as much as not dying
considering it's on Benthic gear....smaaaaht
chilly brook
Completely off topic but I've changed my mind on warfronts, they're a great addition to the game. They allow me 30 minutes to grind in skyrim on my switch while AFK.
sand egret
it's why Fishing was/is ever a thing. 😃
glad dew
I know this has been asked already but which essences are bis for prot or is it still speculation?
sand egret
technically still speculation, but after all is unlocked Vision as Major will be very strong
warm plinth
Visions Major, Lucid Dreams and Sphere minors (minors are still up in the air but Lucid Dreams will almost certainly be one of them)
sand egret
but like all things, should wait until the masses are in the shit and using it before it all gets "officially" ironed out 😃
rotund sluice
haven't touched pvp in wow for a while. anyone give an estimate on how many hours of BG/island/etc to get rank 3 suppression?
lost meteor
how is vision helping me in raids though? on a single boss encounter i get a little bit of dps and a little survivability depending on my azerite traits. especially at the beginning while still undergeared i dont see how its bis
chilly brook
I mean it's not a little bit of dpsa
warm plinth
Yeah it's a lot of DPS lol
chilly brook
or a little bit of survivability
warm plinth
And it's a lot of survivability if you have BoM and there's blockable damage
chilly brook
mastery gives a lot of survivability
crit block=double block up to an 85% reduction cap
lusty grotto
that's why there's no set in stone
warm plinth
Avatar also increases rage generation through Unstoppable Force, which helps defensively with higher uptimes of Demo Shout and Last Stand (Bolster) via Anger Management CDR.
exotic spoke
It (avatar) can be used to help fill in shield block down time if you’re constantly tanking (such as fights like conclave) or when you know you’re about to take a huge single hit(s) and need to crit block to live (such as grong double or triple smashes)
chilly brook
Crit blocks were a god send on Fetid
warm plinth
WTB Neltharion's Fury
exotic spoke
Barely played in uldir. Didn’t enjoy the raid and didn’t enjoy the state of prot then
I was around - but just barely. If my guild needed a tank I was there
charred void
Is there any resources on valuing tank essences out? just from PTR play and such
chilly brook
You want Visions
exotic spoke
We have ideas - but they haven’t been validated yet
^^ that’s the leading contender
rotund sluice
the minor is the CD reduction and ya its ava
obviously requires more theorycrafting but i think most discussions i've seen the consensus is to use visions as the major at least as its currently stands
exotic spoke
Yup - with lucid dreams as a minor too
sick sentinel
Both Visions and lucid dreams are basically used as an avatar CD reduction
exotic spoke
But it helps with demo shout too which is very nice due to increased rage gen
sick sentinel
Lucid with VoP, both reducing avatar CD. Then rage gen from getting melee'd. You're going to have a lot of uptime on avatar
Those all reduce demoralizing shout also, which makes avatar CD even lower
mega
exotic spoke
Now you’re thinking with Avatar
rotund sluice
feels like VoP (major) and Lucid (minor) are pretty easy choices. It'll be a long time until even the neckbeards can socket a 3rd minor but right now I'm torn between anima/suppression/conflict ... right now i'm leaning toward anima if for nothing else I won't have to pvp and I'll get it naturally just doing M+
bigger health pool is kind of underwhelming in a lot of situations tho
exotic spoke
Don’t know if you can get anima yet. Some you have to do in the season - don’t remember if this is one of them
sick sentinel
have to wait until season 3
analog swift
anima you have to do in the season
but that + last stand + commanding +mongo is gunna be dope
exotic spoke
Meh
analog swift
that's so much damage
probably not more overall
but it just sounds fun to do it once, like for an opening motherlode pull
analog swift
i wonder if you could do it there, walk out and swap
probably will be locked behind the CD
silver sail
Yea
I wan a know how hard it is
Gonna try for rank 4 vop first week
It opens
Just take 3 hours
And lust every pull
exotic spoke
Mainly curious if it has a timer - I would think so
ripe mason
I'm kinda embarassed to confess this but I'm having a lot of problems holding aggro and picking up many mobs with Prot. Don't know what it is.
oblique garnet
@exotic spoke you mean the dungeon?
ripe mason
DCs?
sick sentinel
Deafening crash
silver sail
Did you press thunderclap
exotic spoke
Yeah @oblique garnet for the Hertz Locker achievement
ripe mason
Yeah, I'm using Thunderclap on cooldown and it's out of Avatar.
sick sentinel
How many DCs do you have
ripe mason
I don't even know what deafening crash is
oblique garnet
Wasnt hertz locker just doing the dungeon without dying or am i misremembering it?
primal sable
DC is the thicc thunderclap trait
exotic spoke
@ripe mason lets start with the basics. What Ilvl are you, what content level are you doing, and what Ilvl are your dps
sick sentinel
nah it's not skittish
silver sail
DPS
oblique garnet
Deafening crash definitely does not make prot
silver sail
For not keeping their dicks in their pants
exotic spoke
@oblique garnet that’s what I don’t know. It says “before all life on Azeroth is wiped out” so maybe a timer?
sick sentinel
Not having a single one kinda ruins you
exotic spoke
It’s not ideal - but it certainly doesn’t ruin you
ripe mason
@exotic spoke 385, normal BoD. Around 380-390
oblique garnet
@exotic spoke there was no timer on the dungeon 🤷
silver sail
Bastion of might is the only
Super essential
@oblique garnet then I can do a 12hour dungeon
Lusting every single pull
Yes?
exotic spoke
@ripe mason is youeebnot undergeared relative to your dps.
Link your character / spec if you don’t mind? Maybe it’s talent choices
silver sail
Awesome
oblique garnet
The dungeon itself is not that hard
ripe mason
I'll link when I'm done
oblique garnet
I dont know how the achievement works tbf ill have to find that out later
exotic spoke
Yeah was just curious because it would dictate pace / pull size
Timer - pull decently large and push
exotic spoke
lol
lusty grotto
thats right guys cc everything
incercepts into avatar fuck this shit
hey you told us to cc
oblique garnet
There are alot of oneshot mechanics on bosses
lusty grotto
GOTTEM
exotic spoke
3 tank 2 heal this shit
exotic spoke
I’m kidding btw
lusty grotto
you run with rogues with cheat death? smh
oblique garnet
Sure you only get the loot once
exotic spoke
It is a weekly lock out
oblique garnet
You can still run them
exotic spoke
You can’t die
silver sail
the achieve says "in a lockout"
lusty grotto
ah the good ole undying run
silver sail
fucking retards on thaddius
lusty grotto
flexes undying title
exotic spoke
Undying buddy!
silver sail
yes
lusty grotto
yikerinos
lusty grotto
at least its only 5 people
exotic spoke
It’s not that it was necessarily hard nnug. Just unforgiving
lusty grotto
imagine doing that in wotlk naxx lmao
silver sail
"operation mechagon - achieve run- 3kio + only"
oblique garnet
If you go in blind you wont make the undying run
ripe mason
@exotic spoke Alright, so what did you want me to send?
silver sail
to get it down 100%
exotic spoke
What spec are you using deceive
silver sail
first
ripe mason
Prot
exotic spoke
Like talent choices
ripe mason
Let me just load it
This is what I use for M+
I feel relatively confident doing M+
exotic spoke
Then you’re looking good for talent choices
lusty grotto
you mean for everything right?
exotic spoke
I mean I use safeguard nim :p
lusty grotto
so do i
silver sail
nothings more fun than 1v5'ing outside a M+
lusty grotto
just not in everything
silver sail
with warmode
lusty grotto
kr/fh yes
ripe mason
But yeah, I'm relatively confident playing M+ but I've got no clue what to do in a raid environment
exotic spoke
Honestly a lot of them on high levels
ripe mason
Like I tried to do Champion of Light on Normal but I couldn't pick up all of the ads
exotic spoke
Play the same and it won’t go wrong deceive
lusty grotto
man i have to bite my tongue every time i go into a pug that has all WM off
silver sail
askfor md/tricks if you have it
exotic spoke
Make sure you have avatar. We aren’t the best tanks for adds on that fight imo.
ripe mason
Probably because I don't know how to play Prot properly
lusty grotto
but then i just realize i can just go in and afk
silver sail
literally
lusty grotto
sorry guys WM on im not a pussy
ripe mason
Alright, I'll keep that combo in mind.
So demo on cooldown since I have booming, right?
ripe mason
After that it's just the regular rotation, right?
It's probably also because I haven't tanked in a long time.
I used to play a lot of Blood.
Like a LOT
Going over to Prot feels a little weird
exotic spoke
Is ptr still up
silver sail
dont be afraid to use last stand to smooth damage
oblique garnet
Should be
primal sable
just remember to hit your abilities
ripe mason
@primal sable Oshit you're right
silver sail
legit though
primal sable
most of the time, low dps issues are from huge downtime
silver sail
less potential ignore pain mitigation
primal sable
and people not clicking their abilities and just standing there autoing
silver sail
BOM also makes avatar into a defensive
ripe mason
Blood is etched deep into my muscle memory so I still have to think about where certain abilities are 😛
exotic spoke
You know what would be a real dick move? If you got rank 4 and it only gave you the visual but you got the benefits of whatever rank you currently have
oblique garnet
@exotic spoke the keyword here is the non-robotic life
silver sail
still gonna flex my golden avatar
lusty grotto
poor robots
exotic spoke
@oblique garnet I mean yeah - but it still sounded kinda like a timer could be involved
exotic spoke
Going to try it on ptr tonight to see: getting my push group together (or as much as possible) to see
oblique garnet
Blizzard wants the rank 4 essence to be hard to get
exotic spoke
^^. I also wonder about the feasibility of selling that too
lusty grotto
there's no m+ version of mechagon right? i'm guessing it'll come later like karazhan?
exotic spoke
“Go sit in the corner at zone in and DONT TOUCH ANYTHING”
silver sail
split M+ later
rotund sluice
rank 4 is just a cosmetic... personally just gonna focus on getting rank 3 on the important ones ASAP and then as things settle down casually work towards the rank 4 cosmetics
silver sail
rank 4 gives you rank 3
exotic spoke
^^
silver sail
and you get it first week
exotic spoke
^^
exotic spoke
Nnug knows what’s up
junior ivy
shoul;d i buy no mans sky?
rotund sluice
oh dayum
silver sail
yea burt
hence why I wanna tryhard this
to the max
gonna be a big power upgrade to get it 1st week
youll have rank 3 goin into mythic
and m+ s3
exotic spoke
Already need to do it ASAP - might as well start going for flawless
silver sail
compared to a 1/2
rotund sluice
hmm i'll probably tank it on my other toons first and then jump on the warrior to try and get a perfect clear
rotund sluice
well just to learn the dungeon
think most folks in my guild or that i just run M+ with have at least 2-3 chars so just get everyone to run it once on their best alt
exotic spoke
Hence why I’m going onto PtR to try it. I don’t have alts
rotund sluice
commitment
exotic spoke
Played this char since day 1 vanilla
oblique garnet
Iirc first 5 bosses have one shot mechanics
Maybe more
Theres alot of trash that can also kill you really quickly
exotic spoke
I don’t know if I’ll be able to do it - but damn sure I’m going to give it my best shot
strong forum
if you really only need keystone master to get rank 4 anima
thats going to be the easiest of em all
like, by far
almost instantly if youre really going at it
exotic spoke
15s in all of them on time right?
exotic spoke
Yup
civic isle
Is keystone master achv going away tomorrow ?
oblique garnet
Yes for s2
sick sentinel
@strong forum I am talking for me guild
strong forum
are you, or am i, having a stroke cuz i dont know what you just said
golden dove
He is talking for he guild
strong forum
also i set up our #promotion so anyone is free to read up on it
sick sentinel
tanking*
does OMG open first day on patch? thought it will open on s3
@oblique garnet how hard would you think it will be to do a +20 on HC week
strong forum
given that you will have 430 ilvl and the difficulty only increases by ~20%
it should be fairly easy
west galleon
didn't they do that different going into season 2
like you had an 11 and it went to a 7 or smth
strong forum
should still be very much possible
since again, the base dungeons dont get buffed by 30% but the key levels increase by 10% per level instead of 8% per level
strong forum
owo
west galleon
i wasn't saying it's not possible I'm saying doing a 23 this week won't get you a 20 hc week
if they do it like they did last season
strong forum
ah ye
warm plinth
You could just do a 24 on July 8th. That’d get you a 20 if they do the 3 extra level drop like they did in S2
oblique garnet
@sick sentinel live 22 difficulty as of rn is 360-370% on 8.2 and s3 it would be 573% and im not sure if get are keeping bobsalami
sick sentinel
we are probably not
oblique garnet
Odds of actually being able to do a +20 are not good
You could probably slum it out in few hours
Potentially there could be a dungeon you might have a chance of doing on hc week
Something without high burst damage
analog swift
I gotta assume they are keeping him. He’s much more than a seasonal affix tbh
modern brook
I assume they're keeping the mechanic but flavoring it in another way
analog swift
Yeah that’s possible
modern brook
Probably some like reinforcements thing
modern brook
Something like that
Obvs thats a big guess though
Sorta want them to take it out bwom buff is a meme
oblique garnet
Even with the 20% buff i dont think you would meet the damage check
modern brook
not first week at least
oblique garnet
Damage/hp check
modern brook
Side question: I heard people saying that cannons are now working on an energy system? I thought they had given them ammo
oblique garnet
22 next season is equilavent of doing 30+ this season
Basically each cannon can shoot 5 times no more
modern brook
Yeah thats what i had thought
is it called energy or something?
PPl were discussing it like it was rogues
warm plinth
It's called energy, but it doesn't regenerate like energy.
west galleon
should just have ammo
modern brook
Whats important is that i was right
lusty grotto
the scaling isn't gonna be on until s3 right?
oblique garnet
No
modern brook
i think it starts tomorrow
cause thats when 8.2 drops and "mythic" gear is +15 ilvls higher
sick sentinel
pretty sure the gear bump comes on season day
modern brook
🤷 idont know shit man'
lusty grotto
hmm
modern brook
we running tonight or nah
lusty grotto
yeah just gotta get that shrine done so hopefully totem will be on
he already got his though
spice ferry
hey @lusty grotto lemme know if you can organise that TD. Did another guild keys and didnt get one 😦
warm plinth
We didn't have the off-season type thing last time so it's hard to say when that shit will happen tbh.
spice ferry
either WC or TD
lusty grotto
ok sure
oblique garnet
We did ghash
spice ferry
dk needs WC, war needs TD
spice ferry
idc long as i get it on one char
modern brook
where u could do a 15 and only get a 10 or something like that
or like only up to 7s mattered?
something like that
spice ferry
thats during heroic week
warm plinth
That was just beginning of season reduction. Keystone Master for S1 was available right up until Season 2 released
That's so that you aren't easily geared for Mythic raids
We didn't have a 2 week off-season last time where nothing matters, so it's hard to say which track they'll take
I would imagine we'll at least have lowered gear in the 2 week period, if not the same as now
woeful phoenix
was their any recommendations made yet for Prot Warrior essence, bis dmg , bis defensive etc
oblique garnet
No because people dont have the time to test all of those right now
It will be up in sometime during the future
lusty grotto
anima is not available on reset
lusty grotto
warm plinth
That's right, keep yourself safe.
Oh you only have to win 1 BG for the Rank 1 of Sphere @lusty grotto ?
lusty grotto
yes
sick sentinel
I don't suppose Prot can equip any damage essences?
warm plinth
Prot is a DPS spec though 😉
lusty grotto
your face is a dps spec
sick sentinel
Okay, I was pretty sure, but just wanted to make sure before I got my traits swapped back over to fury for initial quest running XD
lusty grotto
😎
warm plinth
Oh shit 🔥
exotic spoke
Every spec is a dps spec.
lusty grotto
lel
sick sentinel
Was going to get Blood of the Enemy first for the week one PVE grind XD
exotic spoke
Lucid dream for me
exotic spoke
Lucid is a dps essence!
lusty grotto
ok ok i won't assume trait's genders
sick sentinel
Suppose it depends on the traffic at the hours I play, if it's dense I'll be prot w/Ripple, if it's relatively dead, fury w/ Blood
Although the damage from all the tank ones is a little underwhelming, IDK 😛
exotic spoke
I mean - it’s all about Avatar and boosting up time which has the double whammy of increasing dps and survivability
lusty grotto
👢 🍵 👏
sick sentinel
True, but the main one for that is season-locked XD
exotic spoke
Lucid dreams is a major part of it too
tough vault
fierce urchin
must be a new MDI build
lusty grotto
@spice ferry you on?
spice ferry
not particularly lol
lusty grotto
ok ill dps
spice ferry
❤
glacial thorn
So with the nerf to TC again via talent, you think prot pallys are closest to being the new meta? Lets keep it simple and say just comparing damage.
glacial thorn
Wish they would make sotr a reduction in total damage not lame armor..
flashback to legion
spice ferry
@lusty grotto i love you
versed blade
Anyone know what essences are going to available at 8.2 launch?
Or at least which ones to focus on getting for raid in the 2 weeks leading up to it opening?
spice ferry
ill hit you up soon as he's ready
lusty grotto
the rogue is bullfango btw
spice ferry
oh nice
oblique garnet
Oh you made it to 2k nim?
spice ferry
👋
vocal skiff
living the pug life
lusty grotto
yeah and i have some semi reliable people now
oblique garnet
👏🏻
lusty grotto
just looking for an elusive 15+ shrine for my brother
warm plinth
Someone give me some Zandalari reputation.
warm plinth
5200 :/
lusty grotto
oof
warm plinth
Literally everything else is done except the rep and it's making me sad. Grinding islands is so damn slow.