id be a twink
#protection
junior ivy
quiet crane
Lmao
warm plinth
rofl idk what's happening in here
quiet crane
Idk either but it’s hilarious
sick sentinel
Stereotypes
quiet crane
I blame kaege
dusky mica
identity protection, it's almost like tanking
quiet crane
Started because he didn’t say he’s Greek
warm plinth
Kaege, this is your fault
quiet crane
Bad kaege
quiet crane
😂😂😂😂
dusky mica
put Keerg in the sin bin
quiet crane
^ yes agreed
sick sentinel
I'm actually out of words
warm plinth
Say it in greek
quiet crane
^^
warm plinth
So catfriend knows
quiet crane
😂
junior ivy
lolol
dusky mica
lol
sick sentinel
...
quiet crane
You hurt her feels man
sick sentinel
I'm not a cat though
quiet crane
He’s to busy going after someone in the Loki familiar he forgot he’s friends
@sick sentinel
junior ivy
where is @undone sun anyway
sick sentinel
I'll go to bed
quiet crane
I know suns up here is down there
And it’s almost 12 mid day here
@warm plinth hows the wep hunt going
Still rocking the juicy 370 I read about last time
warm plinth
Not even, 360 mannn
I tried to get a 370 from a WQ but the WQ bugged out and I couldn't complete it
junior ivy
lol kangaroo as your pic, youre serious about australia
wicked ruin
whats the best race for an horde prot and why? (M+ Oriented)
junior ivy
gnome
warm plinth
Doesn't really matter for horde tbh
rustic bronze
Go zandalari
undone sun
@junior ivy hello
junior ivy
there he is
sick sentinel
i'm uhh what they call a 'fair dinkum bloke'
bronze moon
does intervene work on eudoras powder shot base or do you need safeguard?
shut summit
works base
stoic night
rip lad
warm plinth
Had it on my desk where I always do, got a sick ring, and I guess got a little too excited and managed to swat it with my hand.
undone sun
Yikes
lusty grotto
hmm
well
you could let it dry
then replace the psu
when i was in college, the bathroom flooded on my apartment
my desktop was on the ground
it "fried"
so i just let it sit for a bit
a couple of days later, the psu was obviously dead
warm plinth
Don’t think the PSU got any of it tbh. Pretty sure the graphics card or motherboard got the worst of it because the monitors shut off immediately but the tower was still going until I unplugged it
warm plinth
That’s the plan
What a bummer
Right after getting a 420 vers>haste ring on my DH lol
undone sun
Hope it was time for an upgrade anyways 😅
neon tangle
@warm plinth I built a computer once, turned it on, within 10s I managed to knock a can of mt dew in to the top fan
it landed top down and just emptied in to the case
thrown everywhere by the fan
undone sun
😑
warm plinth
Nope. Pretty much everything in it is maybe 6 months old except the graphics card which is a 1070
undone sun
oof
warm plinth
Yeah if it didn’t have fans on the top it would probably be mostly okay. But it has two and it pretty much went right into the fans
neon tangle
But it worked fine for like 8 years after that, so whatevs
warm plinth
We’ll see what happens. I’m not really that stressed about it. Just not looking forward to being bored all the time lol
undone sun
Time to get into mobile gaming haHAA
lusty grotto
just make sure you do not turn it on until it has completely dried out
gotta be patient about it
and please for the love of god don't pour rice into your case
neon tangle
more importantly, what kind of tea?
warm plinth
@undone sun Thank god for Diablo Immortal amirite?!
lusty grotto
rice works well with cell phones, but on a case it is super yikers
ahem, with pleb non-water proof cellphones
pixel 2 xl ftw
warm plinth
Uhh it was crystal light raspberry green tea. There’s no sugar in it though so idk how bad it’s gonna be. It didn’t dry sticky on the side of the case so idk
warm plinth
I just have it sitting on the kitchen floor right now (mobo side up) to let as much drain out of it as possible.
Then I’m gonna take everything out and pat it dry
lusty grotto
not sure if patting stuff is a great idea
just put it beside a window
and not all the way on the floor
floor level usually is cooler since heat rises
let it sun dry if possible
warm plinth
Yeah either way I’m waiting a couple days. Not trying to make sure it’s dead or anything
ionic fern
What,why?
last mason
Because people facepull out the ass and people suck at boss mechanics
scenic moth
Everyone took three months off
sick sentinel
Plan your pulls around the mongos in your group face pulling
But rest of affixes are like... Nothing just more trash
last mason
Ur second boss isn’t puggable on tyrannical I’m convinced
sick sentinel
You are a prot warrior, if people face pull it isn’t a death sentence
last mason
And yea more trash is more mobs that nobody kicks
sick sentinel
I pugged a 19 UR today
last mason
Yea but I’m stuck around 1500 io, so nobody is actually good or coordinated
sick sentinel
Imho the first boss is harder to pug in UR than the second
scenic moth
Usually on tyrannical UR I do the second boss after the third
or at least after killing trash leading to the third
sick sentinel
On tyr you should always try to have hero up for second boss. At least in my experience
I lust the second boss on fort til just cause it’s a pain in the ass
ionic fern
@scenic moth what keys are you doing that you're running so fast that you don't have lust up for 2nd boss after clearing all the trash+some on the way to 3rd boss? O.o
scenic moth
Just 14/15
graceful brook
guys does classic WoW require a subscription on its own ??
ionic fern
No.
undone sun
Positives and negatives
graceful brook
my current BoA is still active but when i loggin on classic it is said require an active game time
spice ferry
classic does not require its own sub
graceful brook
does that happened to all you guys or is it just me ?
lusty grotto
Classic is not out yet
open bluff
Classic is currently in beta and is running on different servers than it will when it goes live
lusty grotto
It's available in the launcher but it's still not out
They announced the release date a while ago
undone sun
But the testing currently requires an active sub
lusty grotto
Ah well
open bluff
Correct, but errors like that should be expected
Then again, classic beta is arguably in better shape than BFA
undone sun
Not exactly the gold standard
chilly brook
Classic is pretty pog tbh
strong forum
Can't wait for the 3 apm power
Eating after every mob
And bosses with 1.3 mechanics
lime mantle
In classic we measure in ppm (pornography per minute), which means Ret is OP.
trim bay
@last mason I know what you mean. Did a UR today and couldn't get the first boss. Can only kick and SR so much. Hit and miss though. But for pugs I would say last week was far better as people don't need to do mechanics for boss fights.
lime mantle
First boss in UR is hard as dick if people aren’t on voice or forget to have a WA to track interrupts
sick sentinel
High underrot without voice is really really bad
full spruce
After it and demo
sick sentinel
after avatar and after demo shout
full spruce
Other wise you pretty much lose half of it due to GCDs
Speaking of trinkets I need to do a key and play with rage trinket and I got 420 anchor on last m jaina kill
bronze terrace
What trinkets are good i have to Trinket wie absobdhield from beobswami and a Haste trinket
ionic fern
Bwomsandi trinket is meh...what haste trinket is that? Rezans? Rezan's is good.
old zephyr
it's good if you do MDI pulls where you know you'll die
stiff oracle
or its good in fortified packs where you know kicks will go off 😃
oblique garnet
?
exotic spoke
Rainon - if you know kicks are going to fail find a better group
Bwomsamdis trinket isn’t very good.
Except in very specific situations
strong forum
As I found out its apparently used on high keys during bolstering
Makes Kind of sense, but at the same time still eh.
Not sold on the idea
exotic spoke
I hate that it has a use every 6 minutes or whatever - and otherwise it’s just strength
I feel like you actually save time with a better trinket. The exception being in MDI doing stupid huge pulls for a little safety nets
strong forum
It's not even every 6 minutes, it's maybe gonna get used once in a dungeon maybe
exotic spoke
At most it’s once every 6 minutes hit yeah pretty much
strong forum
It has use in mdi cuz you only get 1 chance
exotic spoke
Or 8 - I can’t remember
strong forum
On high keys you get a thousand chances
exotic spoke
Truth
strong forum
That's the difference
exotic spoke
Use a better trinket - survival if you honestly think you need it. Diamond would be so much better than bwomsamdis
strong forum
But then again, rainon is an mdi player so he was just tryna spark smth
exotic spoke
Fair. I just don’t see it in non MDI situations though
strong forum
Not even a tank at that
final mist
strong forum
Well it was played by a couple tanks last week on high keys
But bolstering is just scary
final mist
Doesn’t mean it’s good. People used Leech too, remember?
lusty grotto
well to be fair, if you're dipping that low on super high keys... its worth it
exotic spoke
In a general sense it’s wrong to use. But it can have specific uses where correct
lusty grotto
otherwise its just a STR stick doing absolutely nothing
exotic spoke
You’re a strength stick nim
lusty grotto
😮
tender phoenix
quick question that is not a prot question but more of a tank question but is it worth it bringing the 2nd boss in motherloade to the edge aka wall?
oblique garnet
2nd boss?
tender phoenix
the rock dude
oblique garnet
I mean i just move it with the adds so they will die
after that its just patchwerk fight
just face it away from the group
tender phoenix
does he hit them?
strong forum
Just make sure your team knows when not to stand in front :^)
tender phoenix
what im asking is, should i move the boss to keep the stun to just me or nothing?
so he has a smaller AoE space
autumn pendant
tough vault
DPS should be smart enough to look at the boss's ass at that point
not that the arena has any threats around it either
lusty grotto
i personally try to move him out so he doesnt stun them to make life easier but yes
hes right dps should be smart enough for it
i also tank him in the middle, have dps try to kite adds through it, stun when they earthquake and lust so they burn them down with cleave
then its netflix time
wary lantern
when i go to the left side in Atal, how do we pull that bird from downstairs?
lusty grotto
you need a 40yrd range nuke or engi bombs
torn gust
Lets take it this question: overwhelming power > 2 DC and no IF?
lusty grotto
and im not 100% on the engi bombs, but it was suggested a while back
no tier 2 trait is worth sacrificing tier3/4 traits
wary lantern
okay, ty
lusty grotto
its not worth pulling the bird this week though
IMO
the whole point of it is to do a reap fast on that side
but with teeming you won't get the percent
so you might as well go down and do the whole skyscreamer pack teeming or not
wary lantern
roger
lusty grotto
(or having a rogue tricks them up)
since you can only pull 1 at best with the 40yrd thing
maybe you can make it work idk
willow scarab
I just got tagged in my guild discord too
how fucking stupid
fuck blizzard is so stupid sometimes
exotic spoke
Yeah it’s bullshit
Have 6 in bags, and only like 7 ready to collect. I could have maxed it out if I had known
sick sentinel
they also increased ap you should grind after like 55 traits
so you have to wait for AK
i never farm artifact so doesnt affect me really
ancient ore
will unstoppable force still a good talent in 8.2
sick sentinel
Not only will it be bad in 8.2, so will prot warriors
Don't play it anymore
We are trash now
Go play a bdk
sick sentinel
Do it like @oblique garnet
Order a floor pedal
And bind thunderclap to it
Wow, I make the joke of weak neck babies that are bdks, but if mashing a single button causes u damage, wow
ancient ore
im still gona continue playing prot warriors
inland mesa
Anyone know if higher keys give more AP in the weekly chest? Or is it the same amount, I havent found anything definitive
lusty grotto
Floor pedals ftw
sick sentinel
Nvm in thinking of essences
410 idol with sockel vs 400 prism in raid/m+?
prism only provides half as much ehps under ideal conditions but it smoothes dmg, so dunno
inland mesa
Wow f that paragon box nerf
tawny maple
@sick sentinel don't take idol in raid but mythic+ it's a god
warm plinth
@inland mesa AP weekly reward starts at 1k for +2 and goes up 50 for each key level.
inland mesa
hmmm, so there's not a massive need to kill myself on a 20+ this week as it's like a WQ different
inland mesa
yes...the quest gives the AP now, not the box, so if you have 6 in your bank they're gold and resources now and no AP
I could have had the 12 ready, and now I'll be lucky to have 10 >.> with 6 dead ones
analog swift
anybody know if the Eternal Ornaments from the quests to upgrade the forge janx for crafted gear drops at the same rate as breaths of bwonsamdi?
inland mesa
who the what now
lusty grotto
Rip
Wow man that's a rough one
That's an asshole move by blizz to be sure
Should have done it way before at least
Yet another reason not to do world quests lol
primal steeple
So Avatar essence wont be available until 2 weeks when mechagon comes out. Anyone eyeballing a major essence to use in its place until then?
inland mesa
I'm probably going to try to get all of them as high as I can for the inevitable nerf/rebalance
exotic spoke
Lucid dreams is first one I’m going for because of perfection not being available
old night
that force multiplier enchant is looking spicy
exotic spoke
Yeah but it’s a lot of rage refunded
And it’s one I’m planning on using after perfection anyway
wicked ruin
anyway to track which spells can be reflected? apart from memorizing them. a WA or addon? i tried one WA but it's not working for me.
wicked ridge
if vision procs, does it also give you the 20 rage from activating?
or is that rage strictly from actually using avatar normally
undone sun
Assume it's the one #268491842637660160 @wicked ruin
wicked ruin
@undone sun yeah i tried that one, but doesnt work for me, maybe works only with english clients? i tried it with the hexers in nazmir and the bar doesnt appear
orchid token
if vision procs it gives any on-use benefits providing the CD wasn't active already
so if it procs during avatar you get nothing
but if it procs outside of it you get any benefits, including the rage & bastion of might
paladins get their guaranteed heal crit from it too
wicked ridge
nice, thanks.
primal steeple
Yup and it blows we can’t get it for 2.5 more weeks
warm plinth
Yeah looks like the only thing they're taking in the hotfix is anything that would extend durations
lusty grotto
hmm
im wondering
actually let me just google it
hmm fuck
yup so professions skill lvl resets when switching back and forth
but you relearn anything you had learned
was thinking about going back and forth between engi and mining
but i guess ill just have to do mining on another toon
good thing flying is out in a couple of weeks 😃
warm plinth
https://www.icy-veins.com/forums/topic/44059-world-of-warcraft-patch-82-official-patch-notes/ Official 8.2 patch notes
exotic spoke
Nim, what other profession do you have
hasty nova
Unstoppable Force Thunderclap damage reduced to 30% (was 100%).
Developers' notes: Protection Warrior burst DPS with Avatar is extremely high for a tank. This talent was adding more damage than necessary, given that it also decreases Thunder Clap's cooldown and synergizes well with certain Azerite traits.
how big of a nerf is this?
sand egret
"The UF nerf is a 35% nerf to Thunder Clap damage inside of Avatar (up from 25% from the previous datamined nerf).
This works out to a ~8% or so nerf to overall DPS in Single Target situations, and about a ~15% nerf to overall DPS in "average" AoE situations.
No, Prot isn't dead. No, Dragon Roar is not better. Prot will still do a lot of damage in dungeons and we are by no means unviable or anything of the sort."
- from the pins 😃
undone sun
The pin was updated @tranquil cedar
hasty nova
oh wait
tranquil cedar
ah
sand egret
it's a hit, for sure
hasty nova
where is the pin i'm sorry idk how to do discord that well
tranquil cedar
ok nvm deleting
sand egret
if you're in the client, top right
undone sun
📌 on the top right
hasty nova
oh i see
sand egret
dis guy
tranquil cedar
it's red if you haven't clicked it 😃
tranquil cedar
that's the posting date not the edit date
warm plinth
Yes
hasty nova
well 15% is not the end of the world i suppose
still will be doing more dmg than other tanks for big pulls
sand egret
nope, this also doesn't include like essences and stuff
hasty nova
but without reaping, and lower dmg, I do think we will get an overall heavy hit
warm plinth
We'll likely do more than them without big pulls due to higher Ava uptime
sand egret
so yes, a nerf. But it won't make us suddenly dumpster damage etc
stark sage
the bigger nerf to prot is losing the reaping waves
sand egret
yeah...
hasty nova
Well we are still far better off than when BFA released season 1
so i'll carry on. Suprised to see that there is not that much more changes. I was exspecting a lot more
warm plinth
We're still going to be #1 or tied with #1 anyway. We still have the best mitigation of any tank spec which is not nothing.
fierce urchin
I mean. Prot still has one of the best mitigation toolkits for M+
the damage was just a bonus
hasty nova
@stark sage Yeah that is soooo true.
stark sage
depending on how important add control is, we might be missing some key utility when dealing with beguiling
sand egret
tbf, season 1 wasn't bad either 😦
stark sage
but otherwise we should remain strong
hasty nova
Season 1 was bad lol. Not as bad as a lot of people seemed, but it was certainly not a great or good season for prot war
stark sage
it was just a time where grasp and grip utility far outshined having above average aoe dps
hasty nova
^
Especially in the PuG mythic + community
I'm looking for the essence dicussion and the pinned message isn't really linking me to information i thought it would
warm plinth
Well, the only add control we wouldn't provide is a grip, which imo has a marginal impact on the emissaries at best. I guess theoretically you could grip the enchanted out of the pack and then drop DnD on the rest of the mobs, but that seems super awkward to me. And it's far easier to CC tides emissary and move the pack than vice versa; even if you were to move it, a knock would make more sense than a grip in that situation.
hasty nova
anyone have word on new bis's and new essense?
fierce urchin
i mean we'll see how things go. meta's are annoying but fun. BRM could jump up for utilities sake. Or pally who knows.
stark sage
@warm plinth we also miss general hard CC, i know BDK doesnt have one but its still a consideration if CC becomes in high demand
sand egret
if that was the case, Monk will prob shoot up in popularity
fierce urchin
thats the consensus thus far. Para/rop are useful af
slender pollen
What do u think about dudu?
sand egret
dudu is going to be solid
fierce urchin
and the hot trub dps boost isnt as op as it was at first, but its still pretty good
warm plinth
Yeah that's true Keladan, but the meta isn't going to change much; you'll still have rogues that provide hard CC. I can't see needing more than is typical since if you need to CC something, it's the emissary which doesn't really require extra hard CC that the current meta doesn't provide
stark sage
yeah, we will just have to see how hard the meta shifts
if anything the loss of reaping would be the biggest hit to prot being fotm
warm plinth
I can see monks being in the limelight a lot more this season though; ring is definitely invaluable even without the emissaries
hasty nova
I have also noticed that most of the keys have had their enemy forces requirements increased and the value of "mini boss" mobs have increased. I think this will put emphisis on killing them and make groups focus on single target > aoe
warm plinth
But yeah I think that too. Reaping will cause the biggest shift and could bring paladin or monk to the forefront just because we're not pulling 200k on trash packs XD
hasty nova
which might add to the warrior fade?
warm plinth
They didn't increase the minibosses enough to make them worth pulling
hasty nova
warm plinth
People will almost certainly just pull other non-miniboss packs to make up the increased force requirement
chilly brook
Far better? No community perception just decided we actually were good in 8.1
stoic pilot
So wait I was reading up
Are we not able to do Mechagon dungeon to get vision of perfection for a couple weeks after 8.2 release?
sand egret
honestly the largets component to any warrior fade is going to be tanks who re-rolled not feeling as "obligated" to play Prot, so they'll go back to other tanks
warm plinth
Mechagon doesn't come out until the raid does on July 9th
hasty nova
Well people that PuG keys over forming long term groups will easily tell you that season 1 was a lot harder for prot warriors to get into groups than in season 2
sand egret
wasn't really hard for me, personally
warm plinth
Yeah but that's just community perception, like Griff said. It's not because we were bad.
chilly brook
Of course it was a lot harder because the community said we were shit lul
sand egret
but that's because you just stood out in a sea of bad prots haha
warm plinth
We had some changes that made us unquestionable in 8.1 but we were still amazing before 8.1
chilly brook
Nothing fundamentally changed for us in 8.1
sand egret
blocking rocks did 😃
hasty nova
I agree with that Ghash, but regardless of the reaaon it was still that way.
chilly brook
We did a shit ton of damage on 8.0
warm plinth
Yeah, blocking ranged projectiles was huge
sand egret
8.1 also gave us BoM
chilly brook
Mitigated a shit ton too
sand egret
BoM being the big tipping point
chilly brook
Yes projectile blocking was probably the biggest thing imo
BoM was just free damage. We’d still probably be top tier for reaping without it
sand egret
BoM > RockBlocking > Few sec off of SB
warm plinth
I see they boosted Soul Cleave by another 20% though. So watch out for those DHs 😂
sand egret
BoM is also a good mitigation cooldown in the M+ world
hasty nova
My damage went up by a lot in 8.1
sand egret
BoM will do that
hasty nova
exsactly
chilly brook
The amount of mobs will do that lol
hasty nova
well reaping also contributes to that tho.
sand egret
but from a fundamental mitigation perspective, we didn't change too much
warm plinth
Not just reaping, but the lack of Infested
chilly brook
I hit over 100k in 8.0
warm plinth
Meaning you could pull larger packs even outside of reaping
hasty nova
We also gained a lot of armor/health, GCD differences
sand egret
all in all, the environment changed more than the class from 8.0-8.1
sand egret
yeah and t he GCD one is more of a QoL
hasty nova
I mean you say as much as you want that 8.0 warrior was no different than 8.1 warrior. But every single one of you is a lot better off with the changes
sand egret
and less of a power improvement
chilly brook
It’s a nice to have thing but didn’t make us any more viable
warm plinth
Yeah I would say the GCD one was quality of life
sand egret
But he's not wrong, we are better now than we were before
warm plinth
We didn't say we weren't. And we didn't say that the average prot warrior didn't have a harder time getting into PUGs in 8.0 vs 8.1. We were just explaining that our current popularity isn't really a result of us improving, but rather of the environment allowing us to better showcase what we have to offer.
sand egret
we just weren't bad like it was percieved
chilly brook
I didn’t say we aren’t better off in 8.1
sand egret
well that's all he's saying
hasty nova
Well Ghash I think that is what YOU are saying and i agree with that.
oh wait, no i disagree with
harder time puging
i puged that whole era and 8.1 and that difference is night and day
warm plinth
That's what I said; I miswrote it the first time.
hasty nova
granted I was only 1.3k in 8.0 and i'm only 2.1k now
chilly brook
But it’s like splitting hairs, 8.1 didn’t make us magically good we were always good it just took a small meaningless overall “buff” to make us not perceived to be bad by the community with one or two actual buffs sprinkled in (projectile and BoM)
hasty nova
Well there were still warriors doing the top tier keys in 8.0 so obviously we were "viable"
but average and even most of the above average warriors made a huge break through when we did get our small buffs. and when 8.1 hit we were able to show off through reaping
warm plinth
I love showing off 😊
hasty nova
i love telling dps to do more dmg than the tank during a reap XD
gonna miss reap for sure
chilly brook
I mean the average warrior wasn’t anything to write home about if Uldir logs were anything to go by
hasty nova
for sure that.. lol
sand egret
DKs switching off their DKs meant more Prots in the playerbase.. Helped perception as well
chilly brook
Most of them still thought IP>SB
sand egret
some still do
chilly brook
🤢
hasty nova
most of them still SB and turn their back to half the mob
hasty nova
lmao exsactly
chilly brook
And yet somehow we’re considered top tier even when in 8.0 the argument was “look at how many deaths there are for prot compared to other tanks”
warm plinth
😏 You're so adorable
warm plinth
@sick sentinel Has anyone ever told you that you're weird for having your own character's name displayed?
lusty grotto
uhh
warm plinth
You should play as a female gnome Nim. Fit your adorable personality
lusty grotto
Kaege going half Jettom with that
warm plinth
Next he'll be race-changing to Nightborne
lusty grotto
ghash stop, my masculinity can't take it
warm plinth
😂
lusty grotto
i should drink a 12 and bench just to regain some of it
warm plinth
Yeah, otherwise we'll have to call you Girlchip
lusty grotto
GAH
warm plinth
I want to know if there exists a tank that actually pulls when the pull timer says pull
Or if we all universally pull on like 1.5 or 1
lusty grotto
hmm
trail whale
pulling on the pull timer results in jaina hauling ass up the boat to the ranged dps that precast and then slowly moving back to where she started
melee dps complaining the entire time
warm plinth
But tbf they probably precast when they do because they know tanks don't actually pull when it says pull. It's like a vicious circle
sweet summit
can/should i drop IF for tradewinds or DC, even tho i already have one DC?
sand egret
no
sweet summit
aight, ty
stark sage
bear dps is surprisingly not bad with the right azerite setups
sick sentinel
im guessing prot pally will be best damage
celest gate
Fleshrending if it had another component would be great
sand egret
currently does pretty good dps atm tbh
celest gate
How does prot pally do damage? Seraphim windows?
analog swift
last defender is pretty strong as well
i think it outscales seraphim at around 7 targets which is a standard pull size in most keys
exotic spoke
Better mitigation means bigger packs which means more dps
primal steeple
Prot pally has high dmg output through Blessed Hammer, consecrate, and Avenger shield. On top of seraphim being on a 45 sec cd and shield procs
exotic spoke
Time will tell
primal steeple
Also they can kite and still cast the majority of their abilities
exotic spoke
Kitings for bitches
primal steeple
Guardian i think will be in a real good spot come next week. Their dmg is already reasonably good and consistent through the whole dungeon. They will have brez, roar, remove corruption and soothe in bear form plus FR got buffed by 33%
exotic spoke
Agree with thatz. Guardian prot prot in some order are my top three
warm plinth
They do have typhoon and vortex
exotic spoke
Prot slow is usually not necessary though in fairness
primal steeple
I agree
exotic spoke
Our mitigation / damage reduction will get better than it already is. So I think that’ll be the best reason to keep@us relevant
neon tangle
Just wait until someone figures out a good skip that needs stampeding roar
exotic hamlet
Hi guys, first sorry for my english. For Prot Warrior on Alliance, i'm hesitate on Dwarf, or Night Elf ? Which is better and why ? 😮
undone sun
Dwarf bleed drop is generally more useful, nelf can be good but to fully benefit from it you'd want your whole group to be nelf as well
weary nymph
Guys spell reflect WA works only un english or is viable in other lengauages?
neon tangle
@exotic hamlet nelf is a bit more of a must-have as someone who can rez, all it will really win you is the ability to not die when you're doing skips
dwarf is realllly good on necro weeks
exotic hamlet
k , if i understand Dwarf is better for pushing maybe ? but nelf is better if i can speed run ? dodging and speedrun ?
neon tangle
I mean, pushing is speed running
celest gate
Those % changes are going to be weird on teeming aren't they?
neon tangle
@exotic hamlet nelf is better if you have a whole group of them because you can all do a skip, shadow meld, continue on
if someone isn't a nelf you have to let them die, and then rez them
tl;dr, both have nice parts, nelf is arguably better for pushing but it requires coordination
warm plinth
On the other hand, dwarves look way better than night elves 🙃
neon tangle
dwarf can remove necro stacks/reaping stacks with their racial which isn't -necessary-, but pretty darn nice
primal steeple
% changes and cannons will turn TD into the new ML i think. Where you will do the majority of your trash up front and the death skip the ramparts with mounts
exotic hamlet
it's not easy, you make me so hesitant haha
warm plinth
There's not a wrong choice
neon tangle
I would personally go for dwarf unless I had a full nelf group
warm plinth
If you're asking, it probably doesn't matter for you anyway.
neon tangle
^^^
primal steeple
I like my blood elf racial in dungeons. Makes annoying shields in TD, KR and UR go away
exotic hamlet
i'm on alliance @primal steeple :S i think i rerace on Nelf because i'm playing a lot with teammate and no PU.. So maybe is the best solution if i understand your arguments
primal steeple
Imo cosmetics is everything when choosing a race. If your toon isn’t visually appealing to you it won’t mean as much.
So unless you are pushing +25s or WF just go with what you like
exotic hamlet
y it's a good conclusion!
warm plinth
weary nymph
Guys, Spell Reflect WA from #268491842637660160 works only in english or more lenguages like germ or spanish?
strong forum
BIG TANK MAN
TANKING +14 on 380 guardian 🤣
warm plinth
Good question. I'm not sure.
Guess it depends on if it goes off of spell ID or spell name
weary nymph
I dont know, im really bad with WA
warm plinth
You could always just try it out? I imagine it would still work in a regular dungeon.
stark sage
they're pretty close, crit has more defensive value vs auto attacks, verse has more value vs magic damage
arctic ridge
I’m 1700 prot pally and 1500 prot warrior, so my opinion probably isn’t super valid, but I stack a lot of verse
stark sage
go with the socket imo
arctic ridge
The 410 yeah
sick sentinel
crit is better for m+
stark sage
you want more total stats
wary lantern
hm
sick sentinel
except rings and such obviously
most damage you take in m+ is melee which means you can parry
wary lantern
tanking mainly m+
sick sentinel
there is like only couple places where crit is worthless or only for damage but for those fights you should be fine with your own tooltip
and for really high magic damage no matter how much versa you stack it wont really matter
sick sentinel
no its fine
wary lantern
6*
stark sage
those 2 pieces are pretty damn close
sick sentinel
i got like 1k crit 1.5k haste and 500 each versa mastery
but thats the gear i got
it can obviously change depending on the TF i get
wary lantern
i usually go with what have more haste 😄
sick sentinel
like lower crit
wary lantern
if it isnt downgrading
sick sentinel
yeah same
i had really good haste so i changed my enchants and sockets to crit but still keeping quick navi for sure
it works for me didnt see any point where i cant survive except pepega gameplay
mystic whale
is the new Naga Hide weapon enchant worth it ?
sick sentinel
probably we are not going to use it but we'll see
wait a few days after the patch is here
unreal scarab
Did somebody already calculate how the thunderclap nerf will affect us prot warriors?
unreal scarab
Can you like give it to me in one sentence doc... How bad is it gulp
warm plinth
Look in the pins
unreal scarab
Ah thanks lad
warm plinth
It's not
unreal scarab
But the pins are talking about 25% damage loss to thunderclap I thought it would be 50% inside avatar
unreal scarab
I also throw my shield away before I engage!
arctic ridge
Now we’re talking!
warm plinth
UF's bonus went from 100% to 30%. If a TC does 100 damage, current UF gives you 200 damage
unreal scarab
Holding up one Matron with one hand and strangling a maggot with my left hand while kicking the priests of ghun right in the boob!
warm plinth
Post nerf, if normal TC does 100 damage, UF gives you 130 damage, which is 65% of 200 (or a 35% loss)
analog swift
@arctic ridge 10+10=20 10+5=15. 15/20 =.75
unreal scarab
Ah ok, so it doesn't hit that hard. Well pain suppression is still from the global cooldown so everything is Cheesy
arctic ridge
Damn right you’re kicking, that’s a tank thing rogue with 47 interrupts, stuns, and CCs
unreal scarab
Like me mama always said: "If you wanna kick a mob right you gotta kick yourself son!"
You were right MoMA
primal steeple
TC dmg will be decently lower for the two weeks before Mechagon drops and we can access the Avatar essence. After that it’s anyone’s guess
undone sun
👀
warm plinth
Obviously. Don't you see where it says Focused Will up there?
undone sun
Honestly didn't even see it
warm plinth
Maybe they're just Warriors of Light
undone sun
Paladins
warm plinth
Priests are just paladins with dresses on anyway
undone sun
Hmmmm
lusty grotto
i thought paladins were warriors in dresses
warm plinth
Yeah but they also have Jesus
lusty grotto
so are priests warriors in dresses squared?
do they group up exclusively with children?
undone sun
Yikes
warm plinth
Yikes
undone sun
We're getting into dangerous territory
lusty grotto
🚪 🏃
undone sun
👮
warm plinth
I need an adult
lusty grotto
hmm i wonder if someone has done a human priest, with 4 gnomes in a group
warm plinth
Dude
undone sun
warm plinth
:facepalm:
warm plinth
lusty grotto
wait till i get home i probably have a screenshot
yeah that's even worse than gnomes
you see
undone sun
Pass
lusty grotto
at least gnomes are adults
undone sun
That you know of
lusty grotto
hmm
warm plinth
What about baby gnomes?
lusty grotto
you know
that makes me wonder
cause there are children model in game for a bunch of races
warm plinth
Yeah, for Children's Week
undone sun
NotLikeThis
warm plinth
Imagine having to admit Thyme is right, despite him always being right
lusty grotto
no worries, we can beat up priests pretty well in pvp unless if they're disc
undone sun
Robes suck anyways
warm plinth
You're gonna be a holy pally?
chilly brook
Seals just brought back the good old days
lusty grotto
wdym
chilly brook
Yea I’ll probably be holy
chilly brook
Beasts in raids and beasts in pvp
chilly brook
Meh
lusty grotto
pvp for sure
chilly brook
I played holy in tbc and Wrath
lusty grotto
that's a fun one, im not gonna lie
warm plinth
Wait, you have seal of light right? 😂
chilly brook
Nothing really different there
lusty grotto
i dont think so
chilly brook
Yea your judgement changes on what seal you have active
warm plinth
I pretty much only played a feral druid in vanilla (I know, I'm one to talk right?)
chilly brook
Idk if I have seal of light in vanilla though
lusty grotto
hey man
chilly brook
I started in tbc so it’s like a new experience to me
lusty grotto
imagine being a feral druid in vanilla
warm plinth
I did tank though which was slightly better than DPSing at least
warm plinth
What's mangle? 😄
undone sun
🐻
chilly brook
For real though playing the classic beta last night was so pog
warm plinth
I had warden staff in vanilla bro. I was SET
lusty grotto
fucking spammed the shit out of it on BGs and always got top kills
on tbc prepatch
that was fun times, when i hung around with 2 rogues, 1 feral druid, 1 resto druid in AV
of course i got jumped
SURPRISE
warm plinth
I did feral pvp in BC (as cat). Imagine having to shred from behind a target with the feral hitbox issue
lusty grotto
mangle though
chilly brook
I kinda wanna level a priest
warm plinth
Being in front of your target and being told you're not close enough to your target to cast that ability 🙃
chilly brook
And find a bunch of other priests so we can just full shadow premade
lusty grotto
uhhh....
warm plinth
Um sir
lusty grotto
im trying to remember our spriests in vanilla
warm plinth
You need to respect the hybrid tax
lusty grotto
i can count 1
lusty grotto
(who also got atiesh)
warm plinth
Wait, I wonder if they're keeping the /follow change 😮
chilly brook
You just dot everything and then if one person gets focused everyone else heals
warm plinth
Quad box warlocks again?
chilly brook
And you rot the other team
lusty grotto
you seem to think you can rot stuff in vanilla
warm plinth
You can
lusty grotto
when shit just get blown up by
warm plinth
Like 6 damage at a time
Imagine doing a premade in vanilla WoW that isn't all rogues though
lusty grotto
my ashkandi MS on your face
(or Sulfuras, or Cthun axe, or TUF from AV with mace spec)
(or FM/GM 2 handers)
sand egret
some say he’s still waiting for his swing timer to go off to this day....
chilly brook
Like I said it’s apparently a cheesy comp
lusty grotto
hello
warm plinth
Gotta have that random stun on hit (did I remember that right?)
lusty grotto
do you remember me? https://classic.wowhead.com/item=19323/the-unstoppable-force
warm plinth
😂
sand egret
you forgot the “not DR’d stun” part
warm plinth
I mean, diminishing returns barely existed in 1.12 anyway.
warm plinth
Imagine the best staff for PvP being one that doesn't even have your main stat on it
warm plinth
Yeah
lusty grotto
Had a few pieces of agi that I recall for sure
balmy narwhal
lusty grotto
im not gonna lie, that is extremely hard to read
undone sun
As in how it's written
lusty grotto
yep
warm plinth
Probably because there's not a single period and only two commas in the entire thing
undone sun
Yeah, wasn't originally sent as one whole paragraph
chilly brook
Meh let people think it’s a big nerf
undone sun
Pass
chilly brook
Just tell em Vengeance is the new king
undone sun
Misdirection is bad for the "community"
warm plinth
Thyme doesn't believe in WoW community 😢
oblique garnet
Why would you
Sco is gonna say that warrior is bad and half the players believe him
primal crypt
@oblique garnet
oblique garnet
@primal crypt
primal crypt
How goes it :)
@oblique garnet you still pushing? Saw you streaming the other night
oblique garnet
Eh not really pushing none of my usual group is playing the game that much
potent anvil
WoW is dead 😞
warm plinth
My computer is dead 😦
potent anvil
RIP Ghash's computer 😞
warm plinth
ty
oblique garnet
Its true wow is indeed dead😒
Probably gonna raid log next tier
Go outside
Have a life you know
warm plinth
What's outside?
oblique garnet
With the changes to ap theres no incentive to even farm it unless you want to burn out
oblique garnet
@lusty grotto link
shut summit
😏
undone sun
😡
oblique garnet
So now your group needs to do 118k dps to kill the void add fast enough
Shouldnt be too bad
warm plinth
tl;dr:
- Enchanted emissary damage reflect nerfed to 150% instead of 200%, and only lasts 20 seconds instead of 30.
- Tides emissary health reduced by 60%, CC on it capped to 8 seconds but no DR.
- Void emissary health reduced by 35% and aoe cast has 9 second cast time instead of 8.
- The teleport they do when you "kill" them is a 5 sec cast instead of 8.
warm plinth
Yeah
inner trail
you mean 118k dps before a single cast goes off? or on a high key?
that link says it only has 1mil hp on a +10
oblique garnet
118k dps as a group on a 10 before a cast goes off yes
warm plinth
Yeah that's before the 1st cast, which you don't really have to kill it before, but depending on the packs it's in you may not be able to afford a 50% hp spike party-wide
inner trail
seems doable to always do it before 2nd cast for sure
warm plinth
Yeah on a +10 it'll be easy to kill before 2nd cast
inner trail
even on higher keys
warm plinth
Only need like 15.7k DPS average across tank/dps
inner trail
can pop some defensives for the first cast
definitely not as bad as people make it seem
oblique garnet
The first cast does 50% of your groups hp
No matter the difficulty
Or key level rather
warm plinth
Yeah
inner trail
it just says deals damage equal to 50% of hp
does it actually ignore defensives
or do you just mean that damage is not affected by key
warm plinth
Nah it'll be affected by defensives
Explosive and bursting both are; no reason this wouldn't be.
But yeah I think he just meant the damage isn't affected by the key
tough vault
The void adds, are they random each run or each week?
And how random are they
Look at the heldis one for example, that’s pretty shit
warm plinth
I think they're on a rotation like Infested was
oblique garnet
Yup
There was one spawn that was right on the door in kings rest
When you enter the instance
tough vault
... yikes
Cant cloak, nuking it down requires big range. Death run only viable then?
inner trail
if you don't pull any adds with it there is no other damage coming in at all so pretty easy to survive 3 casts
warm plinth
One on the first dervish pack in ToS before Galvazzt and one in Wind miniboss in Shrine lul
Are they serious
oblique garnet
you wont live 2 casts
warm plinth
How would you survive a 100% hit?
inner trail
defensives
oblique garnet
Everytime cast goes through the damage is increased
warm plinth
Okay how would you survive the 3rd cast?
oblique garnet
You wont live it
warm plinth
Because you're not surviving the 3rd with defensives even
tough vault
My only frame of reference on the mechanic was the preach video. It seems pretty brutal that dmg
lusty grotto
inner trail
you have 9 seconds to heal back to full
oblique garnet
Huh???
warm plinth
You can't heal after a 1-shot dude
lusty grotto
grats we're #1 for UR forever now
warm plinth
3rd cast will legit kill you; no avoiding it without an immunity
inner trail
unless you reduce the damage below 100%?
warm plinth
You can't though, not without an immunity
warm plinth
You're using defensives on the second cast; what do you have left lol
tough vault
When did it drop combat tho?
warm plinth
What I want to know is that if you LoS it, does it move to get in LoS or just stays there chain casting?
I'm guessing it stays put but idk for sure
oblique garnet
It doesnt move
inner trail
does it get 100% increased damage with every stack?
tough vault
If it’s on door of KR there’s a few crevices, but also 2 big guys and the voidspawns
oblique garnet
It doubles after every cast
warm plinth
wowhead's original post says 50% increase each time; are you sure it's double?
inner trail
^
warm plinth
If it is 50% you could actually survive 3 casts
Because you wouldn't need defensives til the 3rd one
inner trail
yeah that was what I was talking about
warm plinth
Yeah I just noticed that; you might be right if it is 50%
inner trail
can be a big problem if it's in a difficult trash pack though
warm plinth
Because then it'd be 50% first time, 75% 2nd time, 112.5% 3rd cast
inner trail
from that post it would seem like 3rd cast is 100% but idk
warm plinth
Yeah I mean a 75% hit is still brutal
oblique garnet
Tbf if youre going to sit there and kill the add if your group is decent you will kill it before the 2nd cast
inner trail
"you have to deal with the Emissary at the maximum 5 stacks granting a bonus 250% shadow damage"
warm plinth
But should be a non-issue since you can easily kill it by 2nd cast
inner trail
which would make it not multiplicative
tough vault
So either eat dmg and kill it, or dont engage it at all
inner trail
Would be cool if it gave you a buff after all yeah. But considering the amount of time you spend on a reaping wave, it will likely be more than 15 seconds or whatever it takes to kill one of these, doesnt seem bad at all if you have to engage it
warm plinth
I think in the early datamined shit, they gave you a buff if you killed them. But then they changed them to porting out instead of dying and I guess that kind of went out the window
sacred roost
still want at least 1 defending crash, right?
defeeaning rather
crap I can't speel
and are we enchanting for armor and mastery now?
analog zinc
is it worth it to shield block on mythic bwonsamdi?
sacred roost
if your tanking rakashan, I would thing
not bwansambi though, he's all magic\
how are prot tanks handling the first boss, crusader?
her dot seeems to crush me
warm plinth
You can reset it when the boss casts Prayer of the Fallen
sacred roost
that's only mythic, isn't it?
analog zinc
ya
warm plinth
Yeah, sorry I confused you for him lol
analog zinc
heroic champions is harder to tank than mythic
barren torrent
Yes, in Heroic you have to switch or zerg
sacred roost
seems like it's better for me as prot to tank adds.
barren torrent
In Mythic Prot is really good at tanking the boss
sacred roost
because you can reset?
barren torrent
Yes
warm plinth
What nerfs? We only got one nerf and it's not even that big of a deal.
barren torrent
Just do a few step out during her Mythic cast, when boss reaches you just use Spell Deflection and that's it
The only nerf we got is a damage output nerf
Prot will still be strong AF
primal crypt
we got nerfed?
barren torrent
Yes. Thunderclap's damage boost with Unstoppable Force got nerfed from 100% bonus damage to 30%
barren torrent
Ye
warm plinth
What in the world does that mean
lusty grotto
ZenTracker
warm plinth
Still not sure what that means. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say "I don't know" 😃
onyx vessel
Mild nerf tbh if they really wanted to shit on us nerf AM
main pike
Is there a resource somewhere of "Cool places to use Spell Reflect?"
warm plinth
@onyx vessel We don't even talk about that sir. 😬
primal sable
includes blockable spells
chilly brook
Damn they dropped it to 30% instead of 100% increased damage on tclap lul
warm plinth
Yeah they did that like a month ago
spice ferry
what wep enchant do you guys run?
lusty grotto
pretty sure we've said it a million times
but
quick nav
also on the Icy Veins guide
lusty grotto
mate is a retard
spice ferry
thought so
analog zinc
how come leech isn't good for warriors?
you'd think it would be helpful for a tank with little built in healing & massive dps
main pike
Thanks Styx!
lusty grotto
steep lily
Im guessing 'Force Multiplier' enchant in 8.2 is expected to replace quick nav for us?
lusty grotto
because straight up secondaries are miles better than the leech @analog zinc
and because we are not budget bdks
you can certainly go for whatever tertiary you fancy as long as you're not sacrificing ilvl or secondaries
its quite possible yes @steep lily but we will see
spice ferry
goodluck getting tertiaries without sacrificing ilvl tho let alone secondaries
warm plinth
You have to take damage to need to heal it 😏
@lusty grotto Somehow my PC is completely fine
warm plinth
Oh, I just filled the case up with rice tbh
lusty grotto
that the lifespan of your stuff might have reduced
warm plinth
Kidding
lusty grotto
lmao
im not gonna lie that would have been pretty funny
having rice jammed in fans and shit '
warm plinth
Yeah, that's fine. Works for now so that works for now haha
lusty grotto
ok just monitor your hardware just in case
my flooded pc worked for a year or 2 after the flood
but my psu did die
i had to reseat cpu too
with new thermal paste etc
warm plinth
Yeah I think it did do something to the motherboard because it made me reset my bios settings
warm plinth
Yeah it could be.
willow fractal
durign the opulence fight if someone gets teleported to the other side with the volatile charge during the flames of punishment what should they do?
someone asked me that and since i have always tanked the fight i am not sure tbh
spice ferry
stand still
you dont take any damage if you dont move after being teleported, for like 10 seconds i believe
willow fractal
right but everyone is stacked behind the boss cause its during flames of punishment so when they stay still they are ok but the volatile charge that have then drops on the raid