with SB on cd
#protection
spiral sandal
dark lark
Don't override shield block
warm plinth
You don't leap in to packs. You intercept.
dark lark
But yes
steel mauve
leap wont gain you a whole lot, its very small damage and aggro, the rage from intercept is usually better
dark lark
Shield block for 6 seconds, shield block again
spiral sandal
perfect
warm plinth
Leap is primarily when you need taunt reset or need to escape.
dark lark
I also leap for double pulls lol
dark lark
Or to kite
hushed whale
filthy transfuion or if
oblique garnet
If
hushed whale
exclusive for m+
oblique garnet
IF
oblique garnet
Added block value allows you to stay in longer and need less healer attention + the trait itself does ok damage
steel mauve
also almost always our prot spec traits are better than the generic ones
dark lark
Nerf uses filthy transfusion on live keys, not sure if it's because he doesn't have anything better in that slot or whaf
steel mauve
we have actually pretty strong traits
hushed whale
fair enough, I came from dk where the opposite was true
oblique garnet
Meticulous scheming is probably the only exception that is better than some prot traits
hushed whale
thanks for taking the time 😃
oblique garnet
And blightborne infusion
dark lark
Both naowh and nerf use 2x deafening clap for the damage, I wonder why that is instead of getting another general trait or something
oblique garnet
Nerf runs unstable catalyst for some ungodly reason
dark lark
Yeah but Im not going to challenge nerfs opinion lol
undone sun
i can tell you why but it wont be very diplomatic
oblique garnet
It is a bad trait for m+
undone sun
🙃
oblique garnet
It can proc off charge
dark lark
Lawl
oblique garnet
And leave the puddle mid charge
It is by very definition anti m+ trait
Unless he kites back to it and stands there
Which i doubt he does
warm plinth
You should challenge people's opinions if you have reason to think they're wrong/you're right.
dark lark
That guy should have netted more residuum than all of us combined
oblique garnet
Iirc he has bfi on his piece
warm plinth
The reason we have all these bullshit memes is because people refuse to challenge people based on their raider.io score.
dark lark
Or their mdi champion status?
warm plinth
Correct.
dark lark
Lol
oblique garnet
Nerf is famous for his questionable gearing choices tbh
undone sun
brainlet
oblique garnet
In mdi he ran real traits after naowh showed them to him
warm plinth
Nerf is becoming as famous for his questionable gear choices as Sco is for his typically wrong tank rankings.
oblique garnet
I have one piece from raid
Azerite piece that is
Best pieces come from random rolls anyways
Ashvane chest and kraken shoulders would give 2x BoM 2x MS iirc
And then you get helm with Bom + DC
empty inlet
That's what I have
warm plinth
Nerf was making the questionable choices on the tournament realm where he did have choices.
empty inlet
But I did keys one day with my fury helmet
So no DC and missing 1 bom
I couldn't even feel the difference
Your azerite traits have like no impact on game play
empty inlet
You either have shield block up and take 0 damage or you die
dark lark
For m+ we're trying to maximize damage though
oblique garnet
Yes and 2x MS would give more damage
3x BoM in m+ gives the most damage
And after that all you need is 1 DC and can free for all the other 2
dark lark
Or blightborne/swirling sands
oblique garnet
Swirling sands would be big if it procs during avatar
Its mediocre when it doesnt
Blightborne is always big because crit
spice ferry
would you take 1st meticulous over a second DC?
empty inlet
dark lark
@spice ferry yes
oblique garnet
Thats why you gotta get that sea brawlers helm 😉
spice ferry
empty inlet
Vamp speed is actually such a huge trait
oblique garnet
Next season alot of things will be dead
empty inlet
Keys closed
oblique garnet
Not looking forward to doing keys next season tbh
oblique garnet
potent anvil
To be fair, vamp speed does one thing extremely well, which is having your healer not spend as many GCDs/none at all healing you after every pack so you're practically ready for the next pull. So having 1 for next season is still pretty good.
oblique garnet
Vamp speed works well in big pulls
But next season might change that too
So we might not be able to do those big pulls
potent anvil
Guardian druid, triple rogue, rdruid meta
Stealth around all the beguiling packs, ez.
undone sun
dont they have true sight 🤔
dark lark
God raider.io's mobile site sucks ass
Naowh used 2x deafening and 1 blightborne, why would that be
In mdi
So he could get overwhelming power and vamp speed instead??
warm plinth
Only the void emissaries have true sight
potent anvil
Hmm, I know void-touched emissary has true sight. I don't think the others do. I could be wrong.
warm plinth
The other two don't
analog swift
not only is crit itself one of if not the best stat for dps on it's own the free revenge procs from parry is saucy
oblique garnet
You tagged wrong person i think @analog swift
dark lark
@analog swift I meant like, why is he not using 2x blightborne and 1x DC, instead of 2x DC and 1x blightborne
wispy plume
400 prism 400 bargain 405 block and 415 alch stone
which 2 for raid and which 2 for m+?
warm plinth
block and stone for both. Could use block/prism if you need the defensive trinket for M+ or stone/prism for raid
wispy plume
kk thanks @warm plinth
oblique garnet
@dark lark because on live you cant get 2x blightborne pieces with 2x BoM at 415ilvl
And on mdi it was to get 3x vamp speed
dark lark
Ah just the way the traits lined up then
last mason
Why do most of the big streamers take a random bloodsport
At least that what it seems like
dark lark
Are they using pauldrons of unifier
If so, it's because they're valuing vampiric speed apparently
potent anvil
Hmm, you can get vampiric speed on sea-brawler's helm or desert guardian's chest if you don't want bloodsport.
If anything they're probably picking it up solely for a stronger IP.
oblique garnet
It isnt that much bigger ip
sweet kettle
maybe for the memes?
last mason
Vampiric speed for the speed? Or the healing
potent anvil
Healing
It's a strong 1 point wonder, anymore and you get a lot of overhealing. I would know, because I run two
spice ferry
what would you guys reroll here? I got like 2k resid on the warrior which is basically a useless amount come s3
warm plinth
Chest I guess? They're all pretty good. That's probably got the worst middle/inner ring though.
You're not getting any better than that helm I would say. Perfect traits
weary veldt
1 resounding vs 1 vamp speed?
warm plinth
For M+, vamp speed probably.
spice ferry
yeah i knew i lucked out with the helm
i cant really complain at all about them, but 2k resid is basically a useless amount in a couple weeks so yolo
weary veldt
i mean think of it this way,, what is that piece gonna do for you right now?
get you KSM? sure go for it? but what
get your +10 done faster? not worth imo
spice ferry
possibly provide me a marginal increase now, or guaranteed to be useless next season
warm plinth
I mean, he has a point though. 2k residuum is like 4% of a random in 8.2
spice ferry
i would agree if the difference between 415 and 445 wasn't like 40x the TR
weary veldt
something better than nothing
warm plinth
Not really going to make or break him with the quantities we'll be getting next season
spice ferry
yeah, my dk has 15k banked up, so its worth saving on him
but if i can get a marginal increase for the last weeks of keys sure
warm plinth
Yeah you can probably cut 3 weeks down to 2 weeks with that, assuming +10s
spice ferry
yeah ill be able to
it gives me 2 weeks to make the difference between what i have and what a 10 keys
which should be like 1-2k at 8.2 rates
but ill also get another 1k this week minimum anyway
warm plinth
Yep
last mason
Would you guys take a single if or single bs in m+
willow scarab
IF
last mason
Also is the avoidance on life speed worth more than op
last mason
Yea thought so
dark lark
warm plinth
Wait, why?
undone sun
hmmm
warm plinth
inb4 leech 😢
ionic fern
That's a weird decision indeed. O.o
last mason
Are there any t3 tank traits you guys would take over dps ones
distant crystal
ionic fern
We got 4 tiers
sick sentinel
This is what you want for T3 traits, OP is seriously OP
primal sable
what are those traits lmao
sick sentinel
Good traits
primal sable
cheesing dps is sinful
sick sentinel
What youre looking at there is the best ST prot dps build
ionic fern
Doubt.
sick sentinel
No doubt
ionic fern
What's your chars name @sick sentinel?
sick sentinel
¯_(ツ)_/¯
ionic fern
Stacking rf falls behind other stuff iirc. Like 2 was max that was decent after that other traits started pulling ahead. Stacking TC is the way to go pretty much.
sick sentinel
Nah
Something you need to consider is the whole piece itself, the overwhelming power + gale-force striking makes for more auto attack and more dmg, overall this build pumps
I have the 3x TC 2x BoM and 1 RF build and it sims worse by a significant margin
sick sentinel
Patience
undone sun
ionic fern
Ping me when you got the sims.
chilly hemlock
releaaaaaase the sims 👀
undone sun
... that's incredibly humble /s
sick sentinel
Rank 1 US prot now btw
Forreal tho, this is the best build
No competition, lemme get the "current meta" build
primal sable
rank1 in what
stoic pilot
On one fight
stoic pilot
From the current logs atm
sick sentinel
I beat pumps on mekka, jaina and stormwall iirc
I use 2x TC on most fights due to the amount of cleave I can exploit, I use this build for stuff like grong, mekka stormwall etc
stoic pilot
Did he even play warr for those tho, seems odd he doesn’t even show up in top 10
sick sentinel
3x BoM is actually better than 3x TC cuz its all about burst situations
for like jadefire
Xuens come 25% dmg increase, the burst is better than the strength. Burst game for most fights, sustain in others
stoic pilot
For anyone who’s actually gotten rank 2 on ptr how do you get the stuff from King Mechagon for the Vision Of Perfection rank 2
Sorry not rank 2, rank 3
bold marten
Do we have someone who made a video for the upcoming changes and how it will influence our performance as tank?
undone sun
not from in-house
willow scarab
Pumps and boost used cheese strats
their ST sim is lower than 21.5k
boost sim is like 20.5k
bold marten
Would be interested in how we will perform in mythic plus after reaping is gone and tc nerf. I cant imagine how much we will gain with the new essence system.
sick sentinel
Next tier will be mega fun
I see great things, I have a super build planned
So stay tuned
bold marten
@sick sentinel how?^^
sick sentinel
Classified information
bold marten
chilly hemlock
😨
bold marten
I believe that even with super build, prot-pally has good chances to be the new top tank - change my mind ;)
sick sentinel
Depends on what you mean top tank
Top tank for prog, but you probs mean dps
Time will tell, but the build is gonna pump
bold marten
Only refering to M+
sick sentinel
I don't worry about M+ much... can ask @willow scarab that
willow scarab
I think M+ will be pretty even
monk might even make an appearance
gonna be a stupid season for keys anyway
sick sentinel
We will see
neon tangle
At least we know BDK will remain in the shitter
sick sentinel
Debatable
undone sun
it's dead anyways 🙃
neon tangle
Unless they make some of those essences better I’m not sure what hope they have
They’re still rocking VB for vision, and they already do less damage than most of the other tanks
sick sentinel
The healing is good
More healing they do, more the healer has to worry about them. This means they can dps more or heal others, plus essences aren't the only thing which decide whats gonna be good
Plus their dps aint bad, Ive gotten some 20k overall finishes with BDK before
neon tangle
Just numbers wise they are pretty far behind pally/warrior/bear on cleave/AoE
It’s sorta like this season, it’s not so much that what they are getting is -horrible-
But when BDKs got another blood trait row it wasn’t amazing, but warriors and pallies got some super impactful stuff
Vision of perfection will be a pretty awesome major for pally/warr/bear
If everyone else gets a buff you basically have been nerfed 😛
quiet crane
I can’t seem to wrap my head around these essences and shit... which is looking to be strong for raid and dungeons and what does it do?
I think I’ll be right once I Actually see it in game just atm idk I must be extremely dumb I just don’t get it
brittle owl
you'll probably swap around a few essences depending on affixes/keylevel
in raids you'll prob use the dmg reduction one and the magic absorb for prog
and then just use whatever sims highest for parses
also i wouldn't hedge all my bets on vision of perfection
for pallies and woyers at least
quiet crane
And they drop from different content right?
warm plinth
There’s no way warrior isn’t using visions without something huge changing. Higher uptime on Avatar is a no-brainer, especially with BoM in keys.
quiet crane
So you go farm em?
warm plinth
Prot warrior*
quiet crane
So vision is an avatar proc one?
warm plinth
Yeah
brittle owl
there's alot of shenanigans you can do with the essences in keys
quiet crane
That sounds nasty
I guess I’ll just see how the whole system works when it comes out
Then I won’t be dumb dumb
brittle owl
i highly doubt there will ever be a class that will just use one in an optimal scenario
but vision is a safe and easy to use choice
quiet crane
Funny how I know so much about warrior and tank mechanics and stuff in general but couldn’t decipher these essences. Jesus I feel dumb
warm plinth
I can see us using at least 2 of the 3 consistently at all times. Maybe changing the third depending on content.
quiet crane
So what ones are looking solid then? Obviously this avatar one is nuts
You said there’s a magic absorb and DR one?
brittle owl
yeah
quiet crane
What are they called and where they located
Sorry I couldn’t make sense of wowhead tbh
brittle owl
theres one that gives you a magic absorb, a big one, and onw that gives you super high DR for 4 seconds
quiet crane
Rather ask my brothers in prot her e
brittle owl
theres also a cheat death one but that will hardly see use
quiet crane
So essentially a runic tap
brittle owl
sorta
brittle owl
like a huge tankbuster or something you can cheese with the vision
magic absorb one is encounter specific also
brazen lion
how good is vial of animated blood defensively?
inland bolt
how big is the nerf to thunderclap in 8.2 and how does it effect overall
ionic fern
@inland bolt pins.
inland bolt
is this after the second nerf as welll?
inland bolt
only 35% seems abit exaggerated right?
ionic fern
Purely for TC damage. Overall in m+ it's like 15%
@brazen lion not really considered as a defensive trinket but in general it's good for like 3-5s then it's downhill from there.
full spruce
Aye boys hit that meme 420 ilvl. Celebrate had an artist draw one of my puppers as my warrior. Working on commission to do all 6 tanks.
ionic fern
Gz and nice puppy.
full spruce
If only I could tank mekka on warrior. I got a 425 speed and socket giga engine on DK. Only con to playing all the tanks.
strong forum
Well if your other tank is bdk aswell you can go prot
full spruce
Only plays bear
crisp fractal
crystal dirge
Dunno how to feel about this, got 410 rezans which is nice, 2-3 weeks before s3 which is not, paired with a goddamn 21 KR which I dont want to do this week xD
kindred rapids
Guys questions got 410 socket Jes/ 415 prism/ 410 trinket CoS wich two run? Jes is not that good for me better the two other
strong forum
Kill command! :grug:
Numbers :3head:
chilly brook
It’s honestly not much different than prot tbh
Spend all the excess focus to bestial Wrath more
strong forum
I mean what spec Is different to any spec besides dot classes nowadays
chilly brook
I mean ret is very different
strong forum
It's all just press X on cooldown ( some have more some have less) x to spend excess resources until X available again
ionic fern
Only thing different about dot classes is that you don't have to watch when things come off cd to use them again but you gotta watch when dot's are about to fall off to use them again.👀
chilly brook
Oof 12 minute q for timewalking
ionic fern
Tho it's more fun atleast than non-dot classes for me...you can manage your dot's + do your st rotation (boomy perspective)
chilly brook
Not a fan of dot classes except for assassination
strong forum
I liked Legion affli
I like affli in general, but it's so fucking bad on aoe rn it's sad
Can't even motivate myself to do weekly on my WL cuz it's so trash
chilly brook
Why am I just sitting here grinding restoration levels in Skyrim? 🤔
strong forum
But imagine how insane soulflame would be for reaping
Pull reaping into any pack / boss and just one shot everything as soon as smth dies
lime mantle
Sorta like UDK?
ionic fern
What did they do to affli? Just demolish Seed of Corruption?
strong forum
Just doesn't do numbers
Dots do nothing
Seed talent is nerfed to 2 targets on talent and the explosion does 0
Affli is pure ST dps with UA spam and drain life stacking thingy
ionic fern
Feels bad.
strong forum
Danie do you know what soulflame was?
Whenever an add died, it would explode for quite some damage, it would chain react typically. With the amount of low hp adds you get through reaping, that alone would 1shot anything because of the chain reaction of explosions
So if that were still a thing you could probably literally global a boss from 100-0
ember lintel
is "strength in numbers" a good trait? i cant find it on icy veins in azerite triers.
for m+
strong forum
It's very weak considering it doesn't heal you, it just ups you current HP and max hp and after the buff falls off you lose the given HP again
So unless you wanna snapshot a healthstone during that, it's not gonna do anything for a prot warri
Imo
ember lintel
got that, thanks
torn gust
Boys, how does tanking uu nat work, heroic
strong forum
Just yolo until dead, theres no secret.
Get ready for add swap, that's about it
torn gust
just where does tank swap
strong forum
After the debuff runs out the other tank gets it
Ykno, the debuff that forces the adds onto you
sick sentinel
I was p0nged
wild hamlet
Sorry to be that guy, I'm coming back to the game after a hiatus, is Prot in a relatively good place?
ionic fern
In a very good place.
Defensively and offensively both. We will get a tiny adjustment in the 8.2 to our damage (check the pins for more info) but that's nothing too major.
strong forum
We are the meta tank right now @wild hamlet
wicked swift
hy guys, does we need to stack haste or can a full mastery be viable for mm+ ?
for protection warrior
autumn pendant
Meta for next 3 weeks and then we shall see 🙃
ionic fern
@wicked swift haste/crit are the stats you want for m+ due to you actively tanking for most of the time meaning you want to have everything up more often with haste and crit to provide you parry and more damage. Actively stacking mastery isn't good for m+. In general you still go with ilvl->haste/crit->w/e.
near ivy
@autumn pendant 👋
wicked swift
@ionic fern hum ok, thx for the information 😃
paper patio
Hi, I have not played since BFA launch. Is IP still on GCD?
stark ruin
no
paper patio
Ty
sick sentinel
So is uunat trinket something I need to be careful using or is it use it when you need it? It's not gonna like annihilate my partys HP bars is it lol
sick sentinel
What about raids
sweet kettle
The dmg it doesn't isn't that insane
analog swift
Did they change how spell reflect interacts on champions
near ivy
@sick sentinel it does like 10k damage
ionic fern
@sick sentinel it doesn't annihilate anything. The damage it does to others is almost like nothing
near ivy
the heal is big because its multiple targets and its 2.5x the damage you do iirc
ionic fern
So use it when ever.
near ivy
if the people around you cant survive that 10k hit they were most likely gonna die anyway
and you can not actually kill somebody with it
it can not be a killing blow
brittle owl
just gotta wait for bursting weeks to be able to snipe someone dead
brittle owl
or quaking if you get the timing right
mental scarab
😂
lime mantle
Next week we get essences innit?
fickle pagoda
yep
sick sentinel
@near ivy you can kill people with it
last mason
Ugh m+ sucks this week
near ivy
@sick sentinel you can kill people with it, but it will not be the killing blow
if somebody has 25k hp, the idol does 10k and another hit does 20k
if the 20k hits them and then you pop idol, it wont damage them and it wont heal you
if you pop idol, taking them to 15k hp then the 20k hits them
they will die
i tested this on release
with both a level 120 and a low level character, in party, out of party, in war mode, out of warmode
with gear equipped and max health reduced and without gear equipped gimping max health
im pretty sure this isnt something ive fucked up testing on
strong forum
Ye it's an amazing push week
Only easier week than this is with raging instead of teeming
But it's about as easy as it can get
analog swift
Definitely the most fun week
exotic spoke
Star, that sounds right based on what I’ve seen. Tried to kill someone after a duel and it didn’t hit them
cinder pasture
Got a +20 TD in my chest, along with a 5 ilvl upgrade. Finally something good 😄
exotic spoke
Grats man!
abstract geyser
Is the uunat trinket (415) worth using over vial?
(400)
In m+
Or does vial still outperform
413 static strength seems hard to pass up
sick sentinel
just use idol
rapid jewel
what essence would be best for Jaina mythic?
oak heart
swirling sands or callous reprisal for raiding?
oblique garnet
CR
oak heart
and CR over a 2nd DC right?
oak heart
Yes
dim osprey
Hello folks, I'm relatively new to prot warr and I'm looking for some tips on general improvements? I've looked at icy veins guides and I'm looking into getting weak auras n such, but I don't really know what to look at improving. All I know is that logs are saying I'm not brilliant ^^'
oak heart
offensively? spam higher prio buttons :p defensively, look into damage taken and how to improve that way. uptimes on ip and sb. on fights where u don't need to plan big cds, use them often.
dim osprey
Ait man cheers
lusty grotto
there is no uptime checking on IP
oak heart
There is if you don't press it often
lusty grotto
if youre gonna check uptimes, check SB effective uptimes yep
exotic spoke
Aidy uptime is different than effective casts
You should track casts not uptime on IP
exotic spoke
I know.
But you worry more about casts than up time for Ip because if you’re taking a lot of damage IP is going to be chewed through
lusty grotto
i know thats what he meant
oak heart
ah that's what I meant
exotic spoke
It’s why I think it’s more important to track casts of it
lusty grotto
yup of course
exotic spoke
The real question is what major essence are we using until we can get Perfection
Lucid dreams?
sick sentinel
just did a 19 key
3 seconds off
with 23 deaths
lmao
clean key, could of done a 20/21 easily
and I'm only 1.5k on my prot
😢
junior ivy
i forget, how much gold is a month sub?
exotic spoke
Whatever a token is in your region.
I think for NA it’s about 110-120k
junior ivy
ty
junior ivy
i miss motherload
strong forum
This
mystic whale
so what's the best essences to hunt down in 8.2 ?
strong forum
Vision of perfection @mystic whale
mystic whale
thats the free avatar one ?
sand egret
yeah, and I think you get that via the neck questline so it should be one of the first ones you get
prisma oracle
How is Vial of Animated blood for prot warriors?
sick sentinel
good
prisma oracle
I just got it 425!
exotic spoke
@strong forum what are you using until you can get vision?
warm plinth
Visions is from the dungeon. Can’t get it til July 9 @sand egret
exotic spoke
Yup
warm plinth
Pretty sure Crucible of Flame will be everyone’s first one. That one comes from unlocking the heart forge.
exotic spoke
Correct - but is it the best one to use until July 9th
gentle sequoia
Isn't there a better looking one from questing in Nazjatar?
warm plinth
Can’t be bothered trying to go through it on my phone. Here’s the essences and where you get them: https://www.wowhead.com/guides/heart-of-azeroth-essence-overview
gentle sequoia
Yeah, Memory of Lucid Dreams looks nice until VoP, doesn't it?
exotic spoke
Lucid dreams is one of the minors I want. May use it until perfection
gentle sequoia
Btw, wowhead doesn't list any new raid drop materials for engineering goggles, the recipe won't unlock till season 3 or something?
sand egret
Oo Mechagon isn't until July 9th?
sick sentinel
@prisma oracle if you wanna use the vial efficiently you should have a seperate keybind for it, do not macro it with avatar
and only use it after avatar and demo shout have been cast
exotic spoke
Correct blade
warm plinth
@sand egret https://www.wowhead.com/news=292215/content-coming-in-season-3-instead-of-rise-of-azshara-launch This lists everything and whether it's coming with patch or new season
sick sentinel
Same
lusty grotto
rip nvm essences unlocks are indeed affected
im an idiot, was looking at the azerite armor
inland mesa
Is the blueprint just killing the king again? So basically 6 weeks to get epic level vision
clear charm
Hey guys, i'm tanking jaina mythic for the first time tonight, i'm wondering if i should take my monk or my prot warrior. Any input ?
sweet kettle
Play the one that has more gear and you feel comfortable with
lusty grotto
☝
undone sun
Both are pretty strong for it, it's definitely a matter of comfortability
rapid jewel
yeah and dont waste SB charges during her non tank combos. if you time it right you can block nearly 100% of her attacks#
if you are on avalanche duty, monk is easier
rapid jewel
the first essence doesnt require an certain level and every neck get boostet to 35 with patch
bold marten
Does someone know if there will be some kind of pre-quest for Operation "Mechagon" ?^^ I want to get the vision essence as fast as possible^^
rapid jewel
yes, but it only takes 10-15 minutes
oblique garnet
You wont be able to get the vision until raid opens
bold marten
really? >.<
undone sun
Correct
exotic spoke
Yes
prisma oracle
ok, thanks mate
runic hare
Any info out on which of the essences are the best to go for?
sweet summit
Ok so i need some help for 3rd boss in ML, she hits like a truck this week and i cant seem to survive. I only dump rage on IP and i SR the dot, use SW and LS basically on cooldown. is there anything im missing?
warm plinth
Depends on how coordinated your group is. You could make it so that you only receive it when you can SR it, and the other times it goes to a DPS that can immune it/negate it in some way
sweet summit
Is it closest target?
open bluff
Yes
lusty grotto
the 2 closest
since she does 2
then 2 after that
mw monks can reflect it
cloak also negates it
sand egret
cloak/touch/blur/yadayada
the key is to game it if you need to
and reflect as much as you can
lusty grotto
if you can do you - dispelled target, then (cloak/blur/diffuse magic) + dispelled target i guess it helps
your group shouldn't be getting hit by anything
so your heals is pumping heals on you
everything there is avoidable
aside from chemical burn of course
lusty grotto
the healer should know he needs to pump heals on you
undone sun
@runic hare I'd imagine guides will be updated soon, can't even get vision till raid release anyways, patience
warm plinth
So you can take it each time, but the healer can only dispel one person. So you reflect one/healer dispels other person, then the next one you get dispelled and a DPS mitigates/immunes it
runic hare
That's alright @undone sun , was just curious!
lusty grotto
aside from wall + demo + IP, there's nothing else you can do
warm plinth
pretty sure you can do it without the healer having to pump anyone unless it ends up on someone without an immune/mitigation
lusty grotto
you can also LS to gain some hp
sweet summit
I am aware, but thanks. I guess we just have to communicate better ://
warm plinth
If other people are taking damage, it's probably their fault because the healer is paying attention to people they shouldn't have to
sweet summit
Yea, on cd there as well, same with ava
lusty grotto
when you look at the fight there's very specific times where you take damage from her
since the rest of the time shes spewing the azerite
so your healer should know you will get hit hard, as part of tyrannical preparation
but on intervals
she also does 0 damage on you while casting burn
sweet summit
Oh yea, thanks
lusty grotto
also when shes doing the blower thing
warm plinth
You're a blower thing
lusty grotto
can confirm
clear charm
Hey saw a thread on reddit about intercepting powder shot. Anyone got a macro that intercept target target if hostile or just target if not?
primal sable
/cast [@targettarget, help][@target, harm] Intercept
lusty grotto
oops there you go
we use safeguard in FH for powder shots, and azerite shots from Kragg, and also from gold spit in KR
having that macro in high keys is def worth
exotic plover
Im new to prot and what is this about?
Using the charge to take away the initial hit?
exotic plover
ah
Also what Traits am i supposed to use in Raids? I only see Mythic+ in #268491842637660160
lusty grotto
there's 2 lists in the icy veins guide
one for raids, one for M+
top one is for raids
exotic plover
So the Icy veins guide is better than the wowhead one?
exotic plover
Ok
lusty grotto
that's some other guy
exotic plover
Why would you link it if you didnt support it?
lusty grotto
shrug
exotic plover
Ok but thanks!
rustic bronze
oblique garnet
its really not
honest frigate
Target of target macro can be really scary if your group isn’t well versed in it though
You’re better off LOS’ing the casts as melee and having healer/ranged bait if the group comp allows it
analog swift
^^
it's a tricky week
because you do these mongoloid pulls and destroy
and then everyone is in a lax mood and gets mollywhopped by the boss
sand egret
I'm just stoked to push this week
last mason
Yea it’s shitty pug dps on top of that
So the mongo packs hardly even die fast enough
And just tried a UR, second boss is nearly unpuggable
In my experience
sand egret
i mean, it's just a tyr week in UR
old night
whats looking to be the go to ring combo in 8.2
those logic loops and bit band things
im thinking the ability below 50% and then the haste buff?
sand egret
haven't even looked at em tbh, but a haste buff is juicy
bold dock
anyone have a list of spells that are reflectable in m+
recently found out you can reflect the tornados from first boss in temple and makes me wonder what else is reflectable
undone sun
last mason
Ik, but my pugs always have so much trouble with the second boss
After it does the first tantrum should I keep it in the middle of the room or drag it back to the ribcage
inland mesa
I see blizzard played with words and made traits immediate on new azerite pieces, but the azerite empowerment is still gated behind super high neck levels >.>
wispy plume
Yeah which is exactly what they said. All traits are unlocked. What’s the point of an empowerment if it doesn’t empower anything
wheat bronze
At that point, azerite gear may as well drop as 420 and not have an empowerment trait
wispy plume
Might as well just have the gear drop 5ilvl higher and remove it
Yeah what he said 😂
wheat bronze
Neck level will still be extremely important, it's just you're grinding for essence slots instead of traits you've already unlocked 19 times
primal steeple
And stam %
Gettin to 65 gets you all three essence slots, +15 ilvls on your gear and 12%? Stam
sick sentinel
dude does anyone know how to transmog to diff artifact colors? its stuck on the purple Scale of the earthwarded
in my appearances
i cant change it
wheat bronze
Did you unlock the other color variants?
sick sentinel
well ok, i "bugged" the unlock for the scale BUT i also have the real one. i have the pvp color, which is purple on my alliance warrior which unlocked the purple scale
but i have the real scale on my horde warrior
but i cant use the default color in xmog
fleet flint
@sick sentinel I had that issue a while back as well. The best thing to do is to go to skyhold with the artifact equipped, select the appearance you want, then relog. If that doesn't work, I'm sure a quick support ticket would get it sorted out.
warm plinth
Good shit
inner trail
Wrong.
potent anvil
My reading comprehension must be bad because I don't know what I just read. 😞
lusty grotto
Wrong.
warm plinth
oblique garnet
He might be onto something /s
last mason
Prodigy of the new milenia
lusty grotto
lmao
lusty grotto
quote of the day potential right there = 10000%
hey man its been a while since i did quote of the day
undone sun
Technically correct
chilly brook
He just obviously doesn’t know how to measure uptime roflmao
last mason
Wrong
lusty grotto
lusty grotto
Wrong.
warm plinth
Code block is required.
chilly brook
Like fr where do these dudes come from?
lusty grotto
LFR
chilly brook
Have they always been warriors and just never been bothered to get good or are these the fotm dudes who couldn’t be bothered to read up on the class because “I’m a hella good insert old fotm tank here so I already know what I’m doing”
lusty grotto
they could be contrarians
fighting the good fight against cookie cutters
with a whisper as they die to things they say fuck you ill spec indom
chilly brook
Dude ‘member all the kids who rerolled prot in 8.1
chilly brook
Who always were like “HR is like BiS on Fetid”
undone sun
😴
chilly brook
It’s like come on man, we’ve been doing this for a while we wouldn’t tell you AM is the way to go if it wasn’t. And you’d think if HR was actually good we’d have figured that out a long time ago
But like Last Stand with Bolster makes HR kinda a joke
umbral forge
stiff bear
opal siren
So if i understand correctly, do i only get deafining crash on one piece of gear?
warm plinth
You only need it on one piece of gear
opal siren
Ty
torn gust
is overwhelming power actually crap for tanking?
undone sun
It's great
sick sentinel
hey cat
sand egret
@chilly brook that's a quality screenshot right there. Didn't realize I should start stacking that area damage
that's like anti-avoidance right?
sick sentinel
is DBM 100% reliable for when to taunt? like on Grong
split estuary
civic isle
I haven’t done more than a few keys. So I’m not 100% accurate. But looks like u need to pull big and move fast. If u can do that. Then it’s an ok week
ancient tartan
Looking for opinions on trinket combo for both m+ and raids...I have:
425 barnacle
410 vial
400 rezans
400 butcher's
400 diamond
red wedge
Personally, i run butchers/vial for m+ and then diamond/rezans for raids and high tyr keys..
imo (and i could be wrong) diamond and rezans are for suvivability. vial, and butchers are more for extra dps. barnacle is kinda garbo, but it's your highest ilvl /shrug
chilly brook
@sand egret anti avoidance hahahahaha
That’s a good one lol
We back to vanilla with negative resistances now 🙃
lusty grotto
for the current content yes @sick sentinel
kindred rapids
I have :
400 Rezan/ Vial
400 socket butcher
415 prism
410 Trinket from CoS
410 socket Jes
Wich one do you think is better to run for m+?
Here I run prism+CoS Trinket
strong forum
Rezan + butcher
Or rezan + prism I would say
oblique garnet
@sick sentinel I have 1.4k haste now got 300+ today
oblique garnet
some sockets and haste gear xD
oblique garnet
still 14% vers (8
exotic spoke
@sick sentinel i don’t know when DBM tells you to taunt on grong.
Watch his cast bar. If he casts two in a row taunt it off before he finishes his second cast
sick sentinel
raid ends
officer wants to be talk to me
oh fuck
"hey Kaege, you are MTing next tier"
undone sun
End of raid doesn't sound like it could be bad tbh
lime mantle
You’d be amazed
undone sun
When I got the notice I was getting the boot, it was the morning before Monday raid
undone sun
Lol
chilly brook
lmao
sick sentinel
both our tanks are going to be out for a many of our raid days first month of the tier
undone sun
That was supposedly part of the reason @warm plinth
sick sentinel
(btw I blasted this week but yeah)
lime mantle
I spent all night wipping on conclave.
oblique garnet
We recleared in 1 night hype
warm plinth
sick sentinel
formal token
What Essences are we thinking friends? 😃
lusty grotto
lord merek pls
cosmic scaffold
warm plinth
Just broke my monitor; thanks Mehd
cosmic scaffold
❤
sick sentinel
wut are the new essences that are good
undone sun
At least the fly is gone right ...
undone sun
Soon™ for essences
undone sun
Every class discord is getting the questions
warm plinth
When did we pin spam in #protection ?
lusty grotto
i did
i know you didn't :p
my 2nd emoji combo will suffice
👢 🍵 👏
2nd favorite
oof
im not even mad, im impressed
you know
i wish heroic throw was 40 yards
can do my super awesome AD strat by myself
lime mantle
Which is?
exotic spoke
Kite like a bitch?
lusty grotto
pulling the skyscreamer up
exotic spoke
❤
lusty grotto
to left side
lusty grotto
yeah
stoic pilot
I believe
stoic pilot
I think the only thing I made them for was the
lusty grotto
that's when i found out i fucked up
stoic pilot
Triple saurid snap pack in atal lol
lime mantle
Wait.. 🤔
lusty grotto
you can do your first reap left side on non-teeming weeks
all mobs die next to each other
so its a quick reap
but you gotta pull up that skyscreamer or just pull the colossus pack
its a perfect 20%
stoic pilot
We always just do reap with the triple skyscreamer pack
And then chain into the 2 skyscreamer after they die
lusty grotto
yeah i said on non-teeming weeks
timber nest
undone sun
Most likely
stable flame
mt is out tonight so i'm pulled in for jaina. does spell reflect work on anything?
rapid jewel
no, you cant anything on jaina, but can block everthing
stable flame
k, thx
primal sable
Pugs are bots tho
undone sun
Beep boop
oblique garnet
🤖
oblique garnet
I had fun in keys today
lusty grotto
the AD was super easy but the pugs managed to die on the most stupid shit
so they scuffed it
not my key so whatever
WM, i was #1 dps on witches
of course it didnt happen
warm plinth
I'll do keys with you bb
warm plinth
lol
sick sentinel
Late had fun because he didn't do keys with me
lusty grotto
15s 16s for the luls
sick sentinel
I had a headache today that lasted all day
oblique garnet
Well you baited me😒
oblique garnet
”Come keys with us”
lusty grotto
bait you?
oblique garnet
”Oh we are full already btw”
sick sentinel
DUDE
lusty grotto
oof
sick sentinel
WE HAD 1 DPS
lusty grotto
that's a master bait for sure
warm plinth
Nimchip carry me
oblique garnet
Yeah sure thats what happened
lusty grotto
warm plinth
I'm not in that server, whatever it is
warm plinth
Kaege and Late are the dream team though
oblique garnet
Also @sick sentinel gz on promotion to real warrior
lusty grotto
gz kaege!
warm plinth
Raid MT is real warrior?
lusty grotto
yes
oblique garnet
Yeah fury is just poor mans rogue 8)
lusty grotto
^
sick sentinel
Tanking is sleeper man
warm plinth
Raid tanking is boring though
sick sentinel
Exactly
oblique garnet
Its blast
lusty grotto
just watch netflix while your dps and heals die to the most obvious shit ad nauseaum
lusty grotto
hoo boy
16 siege with disc priest, warlock, mage
hoo boy
fun guaranteed
(and a ret pally)
sick sentinel
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
warm plinth
Face the halberds away from the group Nim
lusty grotto
lmao
warm plinth
Jesus
mortal brook
the heck is a halberd in siege? horde mob ability?
spice ferry
do alliance not have those?
warm plinth
Alliance has worse shit than horde trash-wise
warm plinth
20%
sick sentinel
I thought it was 10% for avoidance and 20% for leech
warm plinth
Leech doesn't have a cap
sick sentinel
Oh
empty inlet
20% for leech
potent anvil
Avoidance is 20% cap.
3x Gemhides will get you 16.75%, so 3.25% from gear will cap you. If you plan on running gemhides.
sick sentinel
I remember asking here
Because I thought it was 20% as well
And I was told it was 10
20% makes a lot more sense yeah
potent anvil
It was big to have an avoidance set for Legion m+. Not so much for BfA m+.
warm plinth
Yeah I was gonna say unless it was changed in BfA, it's still 20%. But makes no sense to nerf the stat because it isn't nearly as useful in BfA
There were tons of boss mechanics that you had to gear for and avoidance was just an easy way to reduce them
sick sentinel
Cleaves in wcm seemed to hurt a lot less when I got 2x415+s+avoidance rings
6% avoidance is a lot
warm plinth
Yeah literally a flat 6% reduction to pretty much anything that hits multiple targets
that can hit multiple targets*
lusty grotto
i havent played a priest in a while but
does MD trigger dispel magic cd or something now?
junior ivy
hi
lusty grotto
i thought priests could cover siege last boss fine with it
goes to show how much i play with priests
warm plinth
Uhh, not that I'm aware?
sick sentinel
Hello cat
junior ivy
what are you guys doin
junior ivy
i built my first base in subnautica
warm plinth
Doing WQs and islands to get Zandalari rep
lusty grotto
so i was about to 3 chest this Siege with those people
until last boss
and then i noticed the priest was falling behind on heals
we wiped like 5 times, i only stayed cause i felt bad
so that's why i'm asking
lusty grotto
(priest ended up being an asshole)
warm plinth
Nice.
warm plinth
Great internet there though 😏 🤣
quiet crane
Yeaaaaaa right 😂
junior ivy
wait youtre greek?
junior ivy
kaege are you greek
warm plinth
Kaege is Greek yes
warm plinth
Uh oh. @sick sentinel is in trouble
junior ivy
jjust like thyme never told me he was american 😡
sick sentinel
Yeah I'm greek
junior ivy
you never told me
sick sentinel
I thought everybody knew
junior ivy
i didnt know
warm plinth
You need to change your username Kaege. "Kaege. I'm Greek" Apparently that's what people have to do when they talk to cat
sick sentinel
Does it matter?
junior ivy
i went YEARS thinking thyme was in europe
dusky mica
Change name to The Keerg
warm plinth
lol
warm plinth
catfriend is a dudette
sick sentinel
And cat, I know we talk but we don't talk that much
dusky mica
Catfriend never told me she was a girl
sick sentinel
Never got a chance to tell you I guess
dusky mica
JESUS
quiet crane
Might be throwing fire starters into the flames here
dusky mica
Shook
warm plinth
Yeah I know right Kabuto
quiet crane
This gunna be spicy
warm plinth
Although I can't imagine a guy with the name catfriend
quiet crane
).)
warm plinth
Might as well name himself Virgin
quiet crane
^^
warm plinth
Yeah but you'd be one of the gross obese gay dudes
junior ivy
what why
quiet crane
2019 didnyou just assume
warm plinth
to have that name
junior ivy
im offended