protection

[sand egret]

no worries, although between CR/BS, it's pretty up to you. CR provides damage

[silver sail]

Id use that

[dusky sentinel]

Regarding what u guys wrote about shaman. I Let mine go just because no1 wanted me 😦

[sand egret]

BS provides less maintenence

rShaman are a spec that you can make a name for yourself on

[woeful dock]

You'd use double vampiric over masses?

[sand egret]

since they're rare and very potent if played right

[warm plinth]

@woeful dock links are fine; if you put <link> it won’t show the preview, for future reference

[sand egret]

yes

[silver sail]

I mean I would

but it's w/e

[woeful dock]

Oh ok thanks Ghash honestly don't use these very much since main is blood dk and we just do ilvl and any trait that isnt ours XD

[sand egret]

prot is similar except its every trait that IS ours

[silver sail]

i wish i had BI

😦

[woeful dock]

I give you mine ❤

[silver sail]

mdi 415 only pls

[sand egret]

that being said, BI is a strong neutral, like MS

[dusky sentinel]

Yeah but the world is like: "What the masses say is correct. And shamans cant push high keys etc."

[silver sail]

define high

[woeful dock]

Well thanks boys! Gonna play around with it, have a good tuesday hope your boxes are op

[sand egret]

people said that about prot in 8.0

[dusky sentinel]

Remember that @sand egret 😉

[exotic spoke]

Pugs don’t usually think outside of the MDI meta box they saw

[dusky sentinel]

I couldnt even get into a +5 at 385 😛

[sand egret]

such is the way of puglife

[exotic spoke]

Ironically - it’s easierfor classes without representation in MDI to get into m+ in higher keys

Higher being relative of course. I. The 13-17 range people in my guild don’t have issues getting accepted

[silver sail]

yo tell that to the people who decline me as fury

[lusty grotto]

i like shamans

i like monks

i run a lot with MW monks

like 3 of the healers for my keys are MW

i dont give a shit about the rdruid meta

WW monk is so good too

glimmerdins ❤

the only healer i don't generally like are priests

because for some reason, most of the ones i group with are either trash or trolls

[dusky sentinel]

I tried healing with druid but I just dont like the "keep dots on people" kinda healing. I like being stressed 😛

[silver sail]

I like brez

I dont like having to use my scuffed engineering one

[dusky sentinel]

hots

[mental scarab]

Soooo any goood WA strings for hard cc like sheep/zap amd so on?

[silver sail]

what sort of WA?

[mental scarab]

Showing the duration left 😃 an icon you can move around so i can se what the grp is doing

[lusty grotto]

uhh

have you tried nameplates?

cause that's pretty standard on elvui nameplates for example

[silver sail]

erm

i just use plater

for that

[mental scarab]

I have plater for that

[lusty grotto]

if you're ccing that much...

that you need to keep track of them

[mental scarab]

But i wont one that i can move and not locked to the enemy bar

[silver sail]

i mean whats wrong with that

[mental scarab]

Ah nvm then 👀

[lusty grotto]

well i have no idea, i haven't really needed something like that

[silver sail]

nor have I

try wagio

100% there will be one there

[mental scarab]

Ay ay

[willow scarab]

I use this one for CC

shows everyones ccs and durations

and a separate one for stuns/hard/short ccs

[lusty grotto]

there you go @mental scarab

[mental scarab]

Oh nice

Name of addon?

[willow scarab]

weakauras i got from wago ages ago

if you PM me your btag I can send you them

[mental scarab]

Oki 🤓

[tough vault]

Just checking out some guids on Prot tanking. The guy that wrote the guide on WoWhead is quite enthusiastic about KT being the best race for them Alliance side. Does that still hold true? I can imagine (DI) Dwarf also being particularly interesting for the racials

[strong forum]

did is best

[sick sentinel]

dwarf is better

i played alliance for a long time dwarf or dark iron is better

you can delete so many bleeds dots also you get damage reduction or str

[strong forum]

DiD gets 1% physical dmg reduction

ontop of OP racial for practically every debuff in the game

[empty inlet]

dwarf c an remove necrotic 😃

[strong forum]

KT might be numerically more defensive cuz of 1%vers + 2% offheal

but in reality DiD has way more applications

[tough vault]

Yeah, looking to maybe switch from BRM to Prot for M+ and Raid tanking

Thanks guys

[lime mantle]

1% defensive are meaningless, the active is more useful because it removes int moments

Which will kill you more than taking 0.5% less damage

[oblique garnet]

Wowhead guide

[warm plinth]

^

Yikes

[winter aspen]

If youre a tank main and not playing NE/dwarf fuck you 😃

[sick sentinel]

(Alliance)

[warm plinth]

[exotic spoke]

I played space goat for a bit and that’s cute

[willow scarab]

void elf is the aesthetic choice

[sick sentinel]

50% off transmog costs

[winter aspen]

June 25 oh shit

[willow scarab]

wait what

was it just announced? next week? 6 days to prepare?

[winter aspen]

Check yt

[warm plinth]

Yeah

[sick sentinel]

We basically knew it

[warm plinth]

https://twitter.com/Warcraft/status/1141028037535944707

[sick sentinel]

You should have been prepared

[winter aspen]

Next week pogU

[willow scarab]

it's on wowhead

i was preparing for june 3rd

[empty inlet]

https://gyazo.com/dfb71eb0a1186eef0ba2fda627dc4db3

keys closed

[willow scarab]

TD24? closed?

[lusty grotto]

hmm 6 days to get 71 io for big kid io

hmm

[warm plinth]

Imagine thinking what you say matters when you only do 18s

😏

[lusty grotto]

goddamn

😢

[warm plinth]

pat

[lusty grotto]

welp at least its an easy week

[warm plinth]

Should be an easy 71 score

I'm setting the bar high for myself. I need a 10 KR, ML, and TD to get the achievement.

[lusty grotto]

i honestly could get the io easily if i dpsed some keys

but...

that's just 🤢

[warm plinth]

Prot is DPS 🤔

[lusty grotto]

hmm

are there any high io warriors here that haven't fury'd or arms keys at all this season?

[warm plinth]

Sense is almost 3100 and has no DPS keys

[lusty grotto]

sense is a god

[warm plinth]

Guess it depends what you consider high io though

[willow scarab]

I'm 2850 and I haven't dps'd in my life outside of pvp

[lusty grotto]

i dont think it matters though

[warm plinth]

I think Late always plays prot on his warrior but not sure what his score is.

[lusty grotto]

i won't gain io dpsing keys right now

[willow scarab]

Most warriors I see exclusively play prot

[warm plinth]

If I remembered his toon name right, Late is 2705

[lusty grotto]

i just have to hope to god the dps i run with finally get pots

[warm plinth]

He does have DPS keys but they're all 12 and under

[willow scarab]

maybe try to pug into some oce players and just deal with the ping

everyone in the 2500-3500 scene here is really good

[lusty grotto]

ya oce are good players

[willow scarab]

Every american i've played with lately is a bot

idk if it's normal

[lusty grotto]

but the time zone and/or ping rapes me

ill try during the weekend

[warm plinth]

Yeah, playing with 300ms is horrible 😦

[lusty grotto]

wait

are there really bots for M+?

that'd be funny

[willow scarab]

Not an actual bot

I wonder how you'd write a script for keys

[lusty grotto]

ohhh

yikes wtf

[willow scarab]

I wish we had an extra week

[supple plover]

I'm 2.6k and dpsed a single key for shits and giggles but that was a like a 10 or 13

[willow scarab]

my paragons won't quite make it to 19999/10000

[supple plover]

Wishing my full team formed sooner so we could have gotten closer to 3k

[warm plinth]

If they start AK up right away, might be worth it to wait anyway

Get another week of AK

[lusty grotto]

yeah i mean i dont think dpsing them gives you anything

[willow scarab]

Nah it's worth it no matter what

[lusty grotto]

i just remembered something Tofu said

about how people were inflating io by offspec'ing

[willow scarab]

go from 19999 to 9999 then farm up another set for the following week AK

[warm plinth]

Well, if you DPS higher keys than you tank, it'd matter

[lusty grotto]

oh yeah

that would for sure

[warm plinth]

But yeah most people are just bullshitting on off-spec I think

How do you get rep that fast Fum?

[willow scarab]

Every single WQ in the game with WM on

and a contract

[warm plinth]

Oh WM gives more rep? 😮 Shit. I might have to actually turn it on.

[lusty grotto]

i was gonna start doing paragons last week and forgot

so i guess im way too late for it

[willow scarab]

atm

I didn't have any at 10k last reset

storm's wake was at 3k

it was WQ week thoguh

[lusty grotto]

ah

[warm plinth]

I don't care about paragons really; I was just asking so I can get Zandalari rep faster to unlock ZTs lol

[willow scarab]

I only care about them for the 2.5k AP

[warm plinth]

Yeah I did all Zuldazar WQs last week so I could get the bump up

With that 50% bonus rep

[willow scarab]

It's a collective 45k from all of the paragons on patch day

[warm plinth]

And the 1k resources to do rep missions

[willow scarab]

and it's 50k for lvl 51 neck

so you're getting 51 for free

[warm plinth]

Oh yeah that's definitely nice

I'm only 45 I think on my highest toon though so I'm not even close

[lusty grotto]

im close to 50

didnt do islands since... a month ago though

[warm plinth]

I am probably gonna be farming those for a bit just for the dubloons to buy rep

[primal steeple]

Hrm June 25th. P Day

[warm plinth]

So I don't have to rely solely on like 6 WQs per day

[lusty grotto]

hmm

interesting

i forgot about doubloons

[warm plinth]

Because I don't want to do the Zuldazar quests. Boring af

[willow scarab]

dubloons for rep?

[warm plinth]

Yessir

[willow scarab]

I have 6500 dubloons

how do i buy rep

[hasty nova]

Neck level gonna be weird in 8.2

[warm plinth]

You can buy 16,250 rep with that many dubloons

[lusty grotto]

well there's a doubloon merchant

[warm plinth]

If I did the math right anyway

Yeah you go to the dubloon trader by the expedition map

They sell items like Soggy Page, Island Flotsam, etc.

[hasty nova]

Need to stack those Titan res too

[warm plinth]

Each item is turned in to an NPC for 250 rep each.

Costs 100 dubloons per item

[hasty nova]

where is the doubloon merchant?

[willow scarab]

ohhhh those items

[warm plinth]

Like...3 steps to the right of hte map

the*

[lusty grotto]

horde side is right next to the map

[hasty nova]

oh i'm alliance

[lusty grotto]

alliance should be close too

[willow scarab]

Alliance side is in front of the map

I just found it

[warm plinth]

Alliance one is pretty close too

[willow scarab]

Captain Klarisa

[warm plinth]

Captain Karisa or something like that on Alliance

[hasty nova]

oh really? wow never noticed it i guess

[willow scarab]

true that's big rep for free

[hasty nova]

alright cool i'll check that out then

[lusty grotto]

ya she sells mounts and shit

[hasty nova]

damn I was wondering what to do with doubloons

shit i probably have a lot of them

[warm plinth]

But yeah dubloons come pretty fast now so you can get rep at a decent clip, considering it's farmable

[lusty grotto]

the heirloom gear is NOT worth it btw

[warm plinth]

Yeah the heirloom gear blows

It's super low ilevel

[willow scarab]

such a busy week fuck

preparing for 8.2, tying off all lose ends AND timwalking?

[warm plinth]

You actually do TW? Why?

[willow scarab]

surely they should have pushed it back 1 week

I do 1 on every character for 500 tokens so eventually i can buy all of the mounts/pets/toys in one sweep

[warm plinth]

Ohh

[lusty grotto]

it definitely is kinda weird that they gave a week heads up

[willow scarab]

and this one I have glaives for so I can get the glaive DH xmog

[astral crystal]

do we know what the best essence will be kicking off 8.2? 👀

[lusty grotto]

they should have announced last week

[willow scarab]

Visions

[warm plinth]

Visions of Perfection, Lucid Dreams, and not 100% on the other minor. Probably the haste one whatever it's called

[astral crystal]

yeah i was thinking visions

[willow scarab]

But not available for 3 weeks

[astral crystal]

but just in case

isnt mechagon doable day 1?

[willow scarab]

Depends how good you are

I'm focussing on getting every essence unlocked that I can and then chasing specific ones after

[astral crystal]

wait waht

[willow scarab]

Because the current information could be wrong

[astral crystal]

mechagon mythic is easy isnt it?

from what i've seen anyway

[willow scarab]

Difficulty is subjective so I can't really confirm or deny it for you

It wasn't too bad when I did it on ptr

[astral crystal]

🤔

[sick sentinel]

Hi guys, pls, can me smbd explain how to make cannons smoothly in TD with rogue in grp?

[astral crystal]

ANYWAY the question im trying to ask here

is if vision of perfectio nis obtainable day 1

[willow scarab]

The best answer I can give

[mental scarab]

That the essence for avatar?

[astral crystal]

ye

[willow scarab]

found this as well

would like blizzard to clarify

[lusty grotto]

@sick sentinel have him tricks you, then hop in (and shoot stuff obviously)

then he can hop out, tricks again, then hop in

not sure if that's what you're looking for

[sick sentinel]

y, kind of

is it maybe better to kill the adds on right

[lusty grotto]

adds on the right?

[sick sentinel]

than kill adds that are being ccd

😃

[lusty grotto]

what adds on the right?

[sick sentinel]

the first cannon grp

are 2 mobs wich are gonna be ccd

[lusty grotto]

you shoot the 2 dudes, then shoot the wall

you don't need to cc them

you pull them in and then run out so cannon shoots door

you can get 3 mobs there for reaping

[exotic spoke]

Can’t really do that so well for much longer

[lusty grotto]

then pull with a wall shot for more

[sick sentinel]

what is wall shot:)

[exotic spoke]

I mean you can - you just can’t kill with cannons

[lusty grotto]

shoot the corner

[exotic spoke]

^^

[lusty grotto]

riki its not 8.2 yet

[exotic spoke]

I said for much longer

[lusty grotto]

dont confuse him :p

[exotic spoke]

I qualified it

[sick sentinel]

yes i am confused, do not do that:)

[exotic spoke]

STOP BEING A TRAITOR NIM AND COME ALLIANCE

[lusty grotto]

ok forget about the wall shot

you do not cc the adds

just pull them inside and run out

rogue then shoots door

that's it

[exotic spoke]

all you need to do is grab the mobs and pull them - run back towards the cannon

Do not stand with them otherwise you will die

[lusty grotto]

then he can keep shooting the door when reap comes

[exotic spoke]

^^

[sick sentinel]

y

and should i run down for the mobs we shrouded?

[lusty grotto]

no

[sick sentinel]

well if i need it for %

[lusty grotto]

you should have enough on that last floor

inside of it

you do not "go down"

going down means backtracking way too much

3F -> 2F = no

[sick sentinel]

than i fuckeed it up on my key:´/

[lusty grotto]

why would you even go down

[sick sentinel]

for %

[lusty grotto]

i mean

there's a lot of mobs on that floor

[sick sentinel]

we spended 10 mins discussing the key

first pull

3 people DC

[oblique garnet]

@astral crystal Yes vision if obtainable day 1

[sick sentinel]

at the same time

and if you fail and die, you must run and cant get up the stairs bcs of the mobs

[astral crystal]

ty late

[lusty grotto]

what lvl key was this

[sick sentinel]

22 atal

[lusty grotto]

no

thurgy's

[sick sentinel]

15

oh

[lusty grotto]

why are you even shrouding so much on a 15

[sick sentinel]

bcs i am not hardcore player:)

[lusty grotto]

i just

[sick sentinel]

and i like to skip shytty mobs

[lusty grotto]

i just dont understand why you skipped so much and not know how to do cannons, what's the point? just do the dungeon normally

what did you specifically skip

[hasty nova]

Someone catch me up on what visions is?

I am trying to follow yall';s convo but i got lost

[sick sentinel]

i have my perfect vision how to do it, its just that you do it your way and smbd do not like it and quit the grp

[lusty grotto]

you skipped alligator? or death pulled alligator + dude

[hasty nova]

i got exsaulted on everyone and I got the reclear ready so i can turn it all in on day one

[lusty grotto]

what else did you skip

[hasty nova]

but after that what do want to do first in 8.2 new content wise to get ready for raid and mythic plus

[sick sentinel]

nothing, we just shrd the stairs to cannon

[lusty grotto]

but you said

[hasty nova]

for TD man you should youtube ppl doing 20+ keys for postions to shoot cannon and what not

[lusty grotto]

you shrouded a lot

[sick sentinel]

nope:)

[lusty grotto]

what did you shroud?

[sick sentinel]

only stairs to cannon nothing else

[lusty grotto]

ok

first of all

there's no stairs there

its a gate

you open it, you shroud in

[sick sentinel]

and you go up the stairs

[lusty grotto]

there's no stairs to first cannon

its all on the same floor

same level

cannon is outside, you start shroud inside

you pull the 2 dudes in front of the cannon in

[warm plinth]

There are stairs to the first cannon though. It’s on a little platform with stairs going up to it :p I think he meant they shrouded to the cannon but said it weird.

[sick sentinel]

ok

[lusty grotto]

pull the guy at the door that you shrouded and the 3 casters (if you can't wall shoot)

then run out

and have cannon spam the door

[sick sentinel]

so pretty much https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCD3_fhYWHw from 5:52 min

and you are right, its on same floor, i do not know why i thought its big staircase

[lusty grotto]

red x is wall shot

[sick sentinel]

ok, so that place keep mobs inside

if cannon shoot that place

[lusty grotto]

you only do that if you need the %

but i dont think you needed it at all

just pull the 4 mobs + the 2 outside

shoot door, thats it

and no

it doesnt keep the mobs inside

you shoot it to pull them

but again, you didnt need to do it

[sick sentinel]

so it is some kind of bug/exploit what ever

[lusty grotto]

the mobs are just too close to the wall

look

forget about the wall shot

[sick sentinel]

:

[lusty grotto]

you really REALLY didnt need it

[sick sentinel]

)

[lusty grotto]

its not an exploit

its just too complicated

when you have problems with % on that one

its best to do better on what you're familiar with

so you grab the 2 mobs next to the cannon

and follow the white arrow

then run back out

[sick sentinel]

ok, so in my case, we killed pretty much everything in lower floors, so we did not need to pull extra

[lusty grotto]

rogue shoots the door since the mobs will be grouped running out through it

that's it

[sick sentinel]

if we would need to have more % we would do wall shot and it would bring more mobs....correct?

[lusty grotto]

you dont need more %

so don't worry about it

[sick sentinel]

ok, sounds good 😃

thanks for explaining it to me

[lusty grotto]

unless you shroud a lot and skip a lot downstairs

via certain stuff rogues and dhs can do

you should be good on %

and those are the only mobs you need, given it's not teeming

you shouldn't need to pull more from inside

[strong forum]

im important colour now

[chrome crag]

I have a question, obviously I know I would need different weapon(s), axerite gear, and possibly trinkets, but which (if either one) of the DPS specs could I share the most gear with Protection (Stat Weight Wise) or is that a pipe dream and I would need to build 2 / 3 different sets?

[ivory helm]

Hey guys im Getting a list together Building the BIS Essences for my guild so we can prepare for the next raid

i would like your guys opinion for the BIS essence for Prot Warrior, Fury and Arms

[primal steeple]

Prot’s major is pretty apparent

[undone sun]

BiS in current expacs

[ivory helm]

Sadly im not a prot warrior 😄 im just going though the Class discords gathering as much info as i can about them 😄

[oblique garnet]

its not a long list

[hidden kindle]

Which essences seem to be our bis?

[lusty grotto]

🙏 for lord Merek

everything is subject to change

[exotic spoke]

It isn’t obvious?

/SadPanda

Vision of perfection as major
Lucid dreams as minor
Sphere is the other one late and I were looking at.m as our last minor

However it’s all subject to change as nim said

[inland mesa]

ugh why is it next week D:

there's barely any raid info out, guess people have 3 weeks to figure it out

[sand egret]

hope everyone has to go in blind

just pure chaos

riots in the streets. desolate looking kids, desperate to find their parents who are out searching for guides online. Pure, utter anarchy.

[modern brook]

democracy*

haha relevence to current events!

[clever shale]

cant decided between these rings any opinions?

[modern brook]

no boms = take mastery 🤷

[warm plinth]

Use what you have equipped

[clever shale]

oh shit i have 2 boms i have the wrong azerite in that pic

[neon tangle]

I would use the 415s w/ sockets

[modern brook]

2boms = take not mastery 🤷

[clever shale]

i suppose they are all so close it wouldnt matter that much

[modern brook]

U got it pal

I'd say 415 w/ socket if either of the 415 had haste as a stat

[warm plinth]

I wouldn't prioritize mastery without BoM anyway. BoM is good because it's an assload of mastery, not because it's the best stat.

[neon tangle]

^^^

[odd crown]

if im Zandalari what loa should i go w/ for M+?

[warm plinth]

Haste and crit are still better regardless

[neon tangle]

it's also an assload of mastery that you always have during avatar

[modern brook]

gonk gang

[clever shale]

sweet thanks guys

[sick sentinel]

bull

[night oxide]

alright I just started playing a prot warrior and im coming from the world of bear druid where i mainly spend rage on ironfur what is my first priority on defense for rage

[sick sentinel]

how can give bad advice so consisnently

[modern brook]

re: rings or gonk gang

[sick sentinel]

not having bom

doesn't have to do with mastery

[modern brook]

🤷

👌

[warm plinth]

@night oxide Your first defensive priority in 99.99% of situations is Shield Block (or Last Stand w/ Bolster talented when SB is unavailable, but that doesn't cost rage). Second defensive priority is Ignore Pain.

[sick sentinel]

@modern brook did you know that the more mastery you have the better it becomes defensively?

[modern brook]

1. dont @ me 2) why are you gearing defensively 3) 🤷 if you wanna ride my ass this hard over negligble difference go for it

[undone sun]

@modern brook

[warm plinth]

[exotic spoke]

👢🍵👏 more and you win

[modern brook]

All I'm saying is if u have 3 bom's

And ur looking at a ring with crit and a ring with mastery

the crit will do more damage 🤷

[warm plinth]

That's the case even if you have 0 BoMs though.

[modern brook]

If u have 0 boms it makes more sense to gear defensively though

[oblique garnet]

@astral crystal Nvm vision of perfection wont be obtainable at the start of 8.2 but rather at the launch of the raid

[exotic spoke]

Some people arent comfortable enough with it to go more offensive. I mean I’ve been going more and more offensive - even though my gear hasn’t changed much

[modern brook]

🤷 theres a stat priority for that

[exotic spoke]

Just because as I pushed I didn’t feel safe - purely because of experience

[lusty grotto]

🐢

[undone sun]

Definitely more of a comfortability thing

[exotic spoke]

Wait... @oblique garnet no Perfection off the bat? What kind of bullshit is this

[lusty grotto]

ARGH caught by the olde "didn't scroll down" monster again

[undone sun]

🐢

[modern brook]

🐢

[lusty grotto]

"Didn't scroll down": 567, nimchip: 0

[undone sun]

Nim "didn't scroll down" chip

[lusty grotto]

gasp

[oblique garnet]

https://www.wowhead.com/news=292215/content-coming-in-season-3-instead-of-rise-of-azshara-launch @exotic spoke

[trail whale]

i didn't see any changes to the boring mess that is beguiling

[modern brook]

highly unlikely meaningful changes will happen to it

I'd expect number maybe location adjustments

not much else

[trail whale]

they'll do numbers tuning to it obviously

but ugh that's just... such a nothing boring piece of blah

[neon tangle]

seems like it'll take a little more thought than reaping

[modern brook]

IDK it seems like ghuun 2.0

its resolved before u put the key in

[neon tangle]

but without the "welp, rip key" from ghuunies

[trail whale]

well reaping was a joke, but at least you got to hit big numbers while doing the joke

[neon tangle]

"season 1 was toooo hard, season 2 was tooo easy, season 3 might be just right"

[trail whale]

even if the difficulty of beguiling is right

it's still boring

[modern brook]

Honestly i think reaping is the best seasonal affix so far

its something you adjusted how you played this season for

granted after the nerfs its basically a non-issue

[neon tangle]

Did you though?

[modern brook]

Yeah

Routes changed around skipping marks

pulls cahnged to minimize casters, namely in shrine

[neon tangle]

At any reasonable level people just like, pull it in to packs, or use it for multidot on bosses

[modern brook]

I dont think thats the metric for interactivity with the dungeon though

[neon tangle]

I'm gonna argue that infested had a far, far larger impact on pulls and routes

and that didn't make it better

[modern brook]

I wont argue that but i will say infects problem was the rng associated with it

REaping was our decisions

gghuun and from what i can tell beguile is litterally just "welp we cant go this way now"

its solved before the keys put in

[exotic spoke]

For one of the mobs. Two of the other ones don’t seem that bad

[modern brook]

Yeah thats my point riki

every week we just adjust the path to dodge the shitter mob

thats the affix

[neon tangle]

maybe high level players put more thought in to reaping than I'm giving them credit for, most of the time it just seems like they pull it in to whatever pack

[modern brook]

im not a high level player for the record

I just mean that across the season there were sweeping changes in how we handled certain dungeons

[neon tangle]

I think that's more of a statement about how much ghuun fucked routes, and less about reaping

[modern brook]

where as ghuun wasnt a change in the dungeon it was just a detour sign

and that detour got moved 🤷

[lusty grotto]

well at least there's no more died-just-before-reaping-welp-hope-i-make-it-with-50-mobs shenanigans

[modern brook]

What im trying to say is that I think in the sense of a seasonal affix, something that affects how we handle keys in that season, reaping's approach is much more interesting even if the affix itself was a bit disapointing

[neon tangle]

I guess I feel about reaping like you do about ghuun, i think if reaping was removed and we just had the first 3 affixes routes would be almost exactly the same, except for a little flddling for the last %

[trail whale]

are you intentionally doing the formatting with seasonal or is that something the discord is doing

[lusty grotto]

and no more reaping critter keeping you in combat shenanigans

[modern brook]

I highlight with coding

yes

[neon tangle]

like, what would -you- do differently if reaping didnt exist

[modern brook]

I've been using shrine cause i think its the dungeon thats most effected by reaping, both becuase of its awkwardly high Tormented count and its abiltity to skip the last 2 (maybe 3 idr)

[lusty grotto]

i think they should have addressed the fact that there are mobs that are just plainly stupid in the dungeons and that's why they are skipped instead of designing an affix that makes them mandatory

[slim pier]

how's Servant Splitterer for tanking

Splitter

[modern brook]

its pretty 😬 but still better than stats if ilvl is higher, iirc

[warm plinth]

It's good for pure single target but trash past that. That being said, use it if it's your highest ilevel

Weapon DPS matters more than the stats/effects on the weapon

[slim pier]

yeah it's my highest ilvl by 10 ilvls

[modern brook]

have fun splitting servants

[slim pier]

lmao

[warm plinth]

^

[neon tangle]

@modern brook I don't know if "I can ignore the mechanic even more in shrine" is a good way to judge an affix either 😛

[oblique garnet]

@lusty grotto What if hear me out, the void emissary will spawn on the critter?!

[modern brook]

Thats a fair criticism sadbox

i think maybe my thoughts is that ignoring reaping feels like handling it creatively

where as ignoring ghuun feels like I'm just walking past an add because rng said to this week

[lusty grotto]

hey lets address the fact that windspeaker and runecarver are stupid mobs that are (1) too difficult on certain affixes, (2) give shit percent

imagine that

[modern brook]

rune carver on bolstering 😬

[lusty grotto]

also (3) a huge fat waste of time

[warm plinth]

You mean you don't pull runecarver with the guardian elemental? Peasants.

[lusty grotto]

im happy there's trash diversity

[modern brook]

I honestly cant tell how they expected people to finish that dungeon while doing runecarver windspeaker and bridge ele on fortified weeks

[lusty grotto]

it makes the dungeon interesting

[warm plinth]

Totally trolling 😄

[lusty grotto]

but there are very specific mobs

that are just... not

colossus on AD...

which thank god got nerfed

will make routes a bit more varied

that's what they had to do in the first place

[modern brook]

is that on the left side?

[lusty grotto]

instead of designing an affix that revolves around making you do those mobs

yes

[modern brook]

IDT ive ever pulled the colossus

[neon tangle]

Did they add anything that will force you in to pulling packs? e.g. "must kill X emissaries"

[warm plinth]

No

You aren't required to kill any of the emissaries that I'm aware of. And two of them can be stealth skipped

[neon tangle]

welp, I'm glad I'll be a dps next season

[modern brook]

^ its forcing a path by making certain pulls per week more difficult than usual

[neon tangle]

so I can just leave all that route bullshit to the tank

[modern brook]

or unskippable

[warm plinth]

I would not be surprised if the void emissaries are almost universally skipped

[lusty grotto]

we will see

[modern brook]

are the void the detectors?

[warm plinth]

Because they're ridiculous, and will be more ridiculous on higher keys when they have higher health (and they're affected by affixes)

Yeah

[modern brook]

wait really?

they're fortified?

[warm plinth]

They have true sight and do the shadow AoE that starts at 50% hp

[lusty grotto]

but how will you skip them if they have true sight

[warm plinth]

Death skips

[lusty grotto]

ugh

welp im officially going engi

going back to my vanilla roots

[modern brook]

Beguiling mmore like bedying

[warm plinth]

They were affected by Bolstering on the PTR Bull. I can't speak for all affixes but stands to reason that they'd be fortified.

[modern brook]

that needs to be fixed lol

[warm plinth]

Agreed

I can only imagine if Sanguine works on them, since except for the enchanted one, they're stationary XD

[lusty grotto]

affixes affecting seasonals... didn't they learn from s1?

[modern brook]

I mean

I remember pre-season 2

[lusty grotto]

i guess they did with reaping

but NO lets make a u-turn again

[warm plinth]

Well, I guess the void one again would be the only concern as long as you had a knock in your group.

[modern brook]

the 😬 sanguine reaping fear

[lusty grotto]

engi time ghash

knockback belt

[modern brook]

1/10m

[lusty grotto]

👌

[warm plinth]

Since the tides one can be CCed itself, just not the mobs around it

[modern brook]

^ thats actually my bigger concern with the affix

it just seems like its going to make fort weeks unecessarily hard

and tyr weeks remain relatively unaffected

[oblique garnet]

guess what

the damage scaling is doubled from s2 : )

[lusty grotto]

yeah bull

[warm plinth]

I thought it was just 8% to 10%?

[lusty grotto]

well that's not unexpected Late

[modern brook]

of keys or of fort?

[lusty grotto]

of keys

[modern brook]

that makes sense

[neon tangle]

I am personally excited to see my first prot warrior charge at an enchanted emissary, avatar, demo shout, tclap, ded

[lusty grotto]

i mean lets be fair, we are also getting a power bump

in general

as in everybody

[modern brook]

i think their current plan for BFA M+ is to keep 10s as relatively accessible

or rather, to keep the levels of keys fairly consistent across seasons

[oblique garnet]

@neon tangle Yeah it will literally kill you

[modern brook]

so as to avoid "oh i did +23 in season 12" not meaning anything

[oblique garnet]

22 right now is 366% bull in s3 its 573% increase i dont think we gain enough output hps/dps and health for there not be oneshots

[neon tangle]

@oblique garnet or like, eyebeam

[warm plinth]

😄

[lusty grotto]

well late

they are nerfing stuff too

gold spit for example

[warm plinth]

Question for anyone who played PTR, does the enchanted emissary stay put after being knocked? Or does it try to run back in?

[lusty grotto]

i wonder why they havent touched on azerite shot / eudora's

[sand egret]

I wouldn't be surprised if they want to limit the spread of keys and make keys a bit more normalized in gain

[warm plinth]

Yeah I'm expecting to see azerite/powder shot nerfed next

If they want to avoid 1-shots

[sacred ravine]

ok guys i got this trinket i think its good but what do you think of the figuine of the colossus

[lusty grotto]

well they havent' ghash

and its 1 week away

[neon tangle]

@lusty grotto 25% nerf, close to 200% damage at the same key level 😛

[lusty grotto]

release candidate is done

[warm plinth]

Yeah I know. But that doesn't mean they won't.

[modern brook]

I mean i pulled the key number out of my ass. but we're also getting another 30ilvls of gear + essences so like my points is that i think by this point in season 3, 22s will be roughly as accessible as they are now

[sacred ravine]

i got it from time warping

[warm plinth]

I would say it's probably trash.

[west turtle]

Is there any consensus about what essences are best for Raids and M+?

[modern brook]

I will agre

[lusty grotto]

Wartonk it doesn't matter you will replace it anyway eventually

[sacred ravine]

each block heals me for 3k

[modern brook]

Its been discussed a couple of times before @west turtle

[sacred ravine]

lasts for 20 seconds

[lusty grotto]

use it if its your highest ilvl

[neon tangle]

@sacred ravine what ilvl?

[sacred ravine]

365

[modern brook]

Major perfection; minor the rage one; minor sphere

[lusty grotto]

TW gear doesn't WF/TF too high anyway

you will replace it fairly fast

[modern brook]

^

[sacred ravine]

yeah i figured but it sounds good

[warm plinth]

It's not a bad defensive trinket probably, depending on if the heal has an ICD (which it kinda has to I would think)

[west turtle]

Thanks that's the all around best? @modern brook

[modern brook]

I believe its the only

@oblique garnet and @exotic spoke would know better than i

[lusty grotto]

im not convinced on the rage one

[oblique garnet]

You are fool

: )

[lusty grotto]

no you

[modern brook]

I wasnt either nim, then riki said anger management and i was like yeah ok

[sick sentinel]

Major Vision of Perfection, Minor Sphere of Supression, Minor verse gain per nearby targer (forget the name)

with Nullification Dynamo as an opt in for places with a ton of magic dmg

was what i heard

[lusty grotto]

i will wait for lord merek's math

[civic isle]

So with 8.2 coming June 25th. Does that mean the achievement will be gone then or at the start of season 3

[sick sentinel]

Cutting Edge goes away on the 9th, Mythic Plus achieves go away on the 25th

the 2 weeks in between are considered 'off-season'

[civic isle]

Essences coming out the 9th then ? They just opening the new zones ?

[sick sentinel]

no essences are out the 25th

[modern brook]

some are locked till s3

[sick sentinel]

at least all the ones obtainable outside raid, mechagon dungeon/ timelocked

[oblique garnet]

Running both sphere and aegis as minors wont be that good

Lucid dreams will provide more defensive value than either of those

[civic isle]

Where u reading up in Essences at?

I wasn’t gonna research until they were more confirmed

[warm plinth]

https://www.wowhead.com/guides/heart-of-azeroth-essence-overview

[civic isle]

Thx

[warm plinth]

This says it was updated this morning, so should be about as up to date as it gets

[sick sentinel]

You think the rage return + verse proc would happen often enough

[modern brook]

isnt it 50%? book hard

[sick sentinel]

thats how much it refunds

not how often it procs

[modern brook]

I dont read

I've heard ppl say that it feels often enough, but thats been in the context of rogues

so

[sick sentinel]

idk its free rage+ verse

vs. guerenteed vs that caps out at 5 targets+ free impassive visage

[modern brook]

Free rage is a lot though

[chilly brook]

Who cares prot warrior is gonna be gimped in 8.2 anyways cuz nerfs and stuff 🙃

[oblique garnet]

VS a trait that will increase our rage and bring our mitigation back up faster?

[sick sentinel]

provided the ppm are good yah

[modern brook]

^ yea i was typing that

[sick sentinel]

all depends how reliably it procs

[chilly brook]

Oh wait that’s right

[sick sentinel]

also lowers avatars cd too (:

[chilly brook]

It’s not that big of a difference top kek

[sick sentinel]

or does via anger management

[chilly brook]

Can’t wait to watch the community perception tank though for no reason

[sick sentinel]

itll be pally

was still solid dps output, no nerfs, and now gets free wings

[modern brook]

DH is a sleeper next season i think

[chilly brook]

When I say tank I meant get destroyed

Not referencing an actual tank

I wouldn’t mind DH being sleeper

[modern brook]

I'ma just that perception right onto dk's

[warm plinth]

Aegis doesn't seem to give that much vers. Not even 1% if this guide has correct numbers, and that's with 10 targets (the cap)

[modern brook]

@warm plinth the numbers in wow head i believe are pre scaling

With neck level

[warm plinth]

Gotcha

[modern brook]

I could be wrong on that

[chilly brook]

But from what I’ve seen the DH discord doesn’t even think it’s gonna be a big improvement

[modern brook]

i just assumed that cause they're similar to azerite traits # which are pre scaling

[chilly brook]

Unless something new came up and I didn’t see

[sick sentinel]

it #'s are def off cause crucible on ptr does a lot more than listed

for the initial hit

[modern brook]

not to my knowledge i just think they benefit a lot from vision

[warm plinth]

Nothing has changed that would change DH tanks.

At least, not substantially relative to other tanks

[sick sentinel]

Meta isn't that crazy a cd no? at least it wasn't massive in legion and they never 'fixed' it

[modern brook]

I think top 3 next season will be Prot/Bear/Prot

[sick sentinel]

how much are sockets worse on wrists

10 ilvls~ give or take

[honest frigate]

Laughs in bear

[sick sentinel]

best to just sim

[modern brook]

Its not that meta is a crazy c its that its a long one

And also that they dont have fucking anything

so every proc carries a lot of weight

[chilly brook]

I mean didn’t they make meta less crappy?

[sick sentinel]

right but all it provides is some pain gen which is nice but not game changing

and health

[modern brook]

and 200% amror

and an improved generator

[sick sentinel]

so... you can just not use sheer to fill for a smidge

[warm plinth]

Pain gen is something they didn't even need though. Soul Cleave is still a trash ability

[modern brook]

I mean

I dont want to get into the problems of vdh

[sick sentinel]

maybe its been too long since i played DH, but you never used to use improved sheer in meta

[chilly brook]

They buffed soul cleave damage though

[modern brook]

im just saying vdh gets a lot more out of vision than like blood

[warm plinth]

Nothing they changed on the PTR is going to save them. It's not even really going to make them better than now.

[sick sentinel]

for sure

[lusty grotto]

shear

[warm plinth]

Yeah they buffed like 5% of their total damage, which is basically nothing.

[sick sentinel]

and bears, all the changed were their armor stacking a smidge

the change to Frenzied Regen was a side grade

[lusty grotto]

armor gains are nothing to laugh at

[modern brook]

bears are already op rn

[lusty grotto]

don't underestimate it

[modern brook]

just dont say it too loudly

[warm plinth]

I mean, bears got a much-needed change to enable them to have their mitigation up faster though

[sick sentinel]

they're op if they can hold threat

is 8.2 out now or is that next week

[warm plinth]

Next week

[sick sentinel]

thats a big ask

[modern brook]

next

[sick sentinel]

25th

[modern brook]

just wait for 4 sunders 4head

[lusty grotto]

4 wtf

FIVE

FIVE or you get kicked

[modern brook]

😬

[civic isle]

@modern brook what u mean bears are already op?

[chilly brook]

Wait what did they change on Frenzied?

Take it off GCD?

[warm plinth]

What's wrong with druid damage? They were already okay and they got a buff to Thrash direct damage and Swipe in 8.2. You can't base every tank's AoE on ours because ours is broken.

[modern brook]

@civic isle a bit of artistic hyperbole

Bears just have good throughput rn

and decent utilty

but everyone thinks they're bad

[civic isle]

Hmmm

[modern brook]

cause the current flavor of the month is BIG STOMP

[warm plinth]

Worse than us ~= bad

[civic isle]

Lol

[modern brook]

pmuch

[chilly brook]

What did they change with Frenzied Rejuv?

[modern brook]

didnt they add back the hot?

[warm plinth]

They have frontloaded heal and can consume rage to heal more

[modern brook]

IDR what they did to frenzied regen

[warm plinth]

It's still on GCD

[chilly brook]

Oh so still on GCD oof

Feels so shit

[civic isle]

They made frenzied an auto up front heal I think

Right now isn’t it an over time ?

[sick sentinel]

yah, saw a lot of bears complain that it ate rage they didn't want it too

[civic isle]

Maybe I’m wrong

[chilly brook]

Reaction based abilities on the GCD.....

makes sense

[warm plinth]

It was always over time.

[modern brook]

I remember their first revision removed the hot completely

[sick sentinel]

so its a side-grade at best

[civic isle]

I thought 8.2 they changed it to instant ?

[chilly brook]

LOTP shouldn't be on GCD either

[warm plinth]

It has an up front instant

But it still has the HoT component

[civic isle]

Ah

[sick sentinel]

it has an extra rage consumption for up front heal

[warm plinth]

Yeah 30 rage = 18% max HP heal up front

And I believe they removed the base rage cost. So it does the HoT with no rage at all, and then consuming rage makes it heal x% instantly per rage consumed up to 18%

at 30 rage

[modern brook]

yeah that sounds like it

Its confusing cause they separated the ability into like 2-3 ranks

[warm plinth]

Yeah it's got 3 now. The last rank increases the healing by 33% but not sure if that's 33% more than live or 33% more than rank 2 (but equal to live at rank 3)

[modern brook]

Yeah exactly what I was referring to actually

[hazy dust]

What's the consensus on prot in 8.2 still top or we fallen a bit?

[warm plinth]

Still top/tied with top most likely. We're still the kings of mitigation and our DPS is still going to be at the very least on par with other tanks, if not still slightly higher once essences come into play.

[sand egret]

Block still gon' be Block, so that isn't changing. Still strong as hell against that type of damage.

[modern brook]

I hope ythats like exactly true

[sand egret]

just less DPS bitchin' when you're clapping 2x their AoE

[modern brook]

#protection needs more what if we could place like a sheild in the ground that acts as LoS so we can compete with other tank choices in m+

honestly the worst part of s2

[sand egret]

don't get me started on why player-created LoS may not be the best idea 😃

[modern brook]

I just miss that and the dual wielding shields when? connvos from s1 :^(

[sand egret]

(not that I don't like it)

prot needs to do more "protecting". Flex Safeguard's flair more imho. That kinda shit is what Prot is about

[modern brook]

I am protecting

[sand egret]

inb4 "no mo mobs no mo damage"

[stoic pilot]

i like safeguard

but it's so annoying missing half of packs with clap

because the range without crashing thunder is so pitiful

[sand egret]

yep, but your ally getting instagibbed without it can also be annoying 😏

it's a "choice" in talents that isn't a super fair one, tbh, and somewhat representative of what Ion alluded to in his recent Q&A

[inner trail]

"don't get me started on why player-created LoS may not be the best idea" s m o k e b o m b

[sand egret]

if you didn't get the implication, it's specifically for PvE. Player's don't run mental LoS checks.

[inner trail]

its going to become usable in pve tho

[sand egret]

no

It was specifically removed for reasons I would probably have stated, had I started 😃

[inner trail]

oh that's nice

[sand egret]

If you're talking about the Essence, that is

[inner trail]

yeah thought they kept it

[sand egret]

no, that was an obvious "not gonna pan out" one 😃

but yeah, Rogues got that all swapped out. Most likely because they realized what keeping it would entail

[exotic spoke]

What could go wrong with los blocking things with an affix that has a 60 yard pulsing aoe of death that hits everything in LoS

I don’t know what you’re talking about blade

[sand egret]

👀

yeah, we need a reason to bring rogues imho

[exotic spoke]

Obv

Thank god that was changed

[warm plinth]

3 rogue meta

[sand egret]

cuz they get countered hard by that one thing

[warm plinth]

Still need cloak for void emissaries :p

[sand egret]

but like real talk, 9.0 Class Design just them going "Ok, how do we make the rest of the classes like Rogues"

[lusty grotto]

jesus christ are we back at 8.0

talking about a wall of shields, hmm we could call it...

Brick Shield

gottem

dual wielding shields, when?

ravager pull in with chains because why the fuck not, when?

my personal favorite:

[undone sun]

50% party 🎉

[lusty grotto]

wait

that's an ok favorite

instant @primal crypt summon

but my personal favorite is reflective plating back, when?

also warrior insults mobs, they turn away and you can pass, fuck you it's not shroud

[undone sun]

🤣

[warm plinth]

Is there anyone who doesn't want reflective plating back though?

[lusty grotto]

and last but not least

pre-nerf warbringer back, when?

[undone sun]

that's my personal favorite

[agile spruce]

Guys, What essence are prot warriors wanting? for raiding and m+. If you could whisper me it since im going to bed and by the time i wake up there will be about 500+ messages 😛 Thanks alot guys!

[primal crypt]

50%party

[sick sentinel]

Yo that's like

Half a party 🎉

[warm plinth]

Who's that guy without a smiling Asian man in his pfp? Can't possibly be @primal crypt

[primal crypt]

xD

[oblique garnet]

@primal crypt

[warm plinth]

Guess I'll settle for smiling Squirtle

[primal crypt]

@oblique garnet

[sick sentinel]

The happy asian man's smile was making me smile as well

[primal crypt]

😄

You guys are the best

best discord people ever

[undone sun]

compact mode
what's an avatar 🙃

[warm plinth]

Same Kaege.

[oblique garnet]

@primal crypt Did you find new people for your guild?

[primal crypt]

Still working on it

I might have to reroll heals

But they dont want to replace me as tank now

[lusty grotto]

50%party

[primal crypt]

50%party

[lusty grotto]

yamo did you get that 17 done on your priest lol

[primal crypt]

oh nah lmao

[lusty grotto]

i mean on your ilvl 375 priest

[primal crypt]

my priest got a 11

[lusty grotto]

nice nice

[primal crypt]

healing as disc is hard

[lusty grotto]

haha

welp time for the chest of bracers

[warm plinth]

inb4 actually something good

[lusty grotto]

415 ring

meh

ML ;\

fucking teeming week, "yeah just give him ML"

clear whole donut, still not enough percent

[warm plinth]

RIP you

[lusty grotto]

@warm plinth can you do the math

how much rep is 492 dubloons

[warm plinth]

1k

8 more would be 1250

[lusty grotto]

poo

im 86% into 49 meh

i wonder how considerable 51 will be

[sick sentinel]

why farming doubloons tho?

[lusty grotto]

for rep

for emmisary boxes

[warm plinth]

Because it's the only real farmable way to get re

rep

[sick sentinel]

oh for emmisary

i cba those

there will be catch up for azerite anyway

[lusty grotto]

yea i dont think ill get em

not worth it at this point

[sick sentinel]

i didnt even do wqs for like 2 months or something

maybe more

[lusty grotto]

maybe if i had started earlier

yeah i feel you

wqs are super boring

[sick sentinel]

i burned myself out a bit cause i farmed 42 traits before bod came out

and that was horrible

[warm plinth]

Fum said earlier that it's 50k for level 51 necklace

[lusty grotto]

shrug

its just an ilvl increase on neck

iirc

its good if you have it set up by now but

im way late

[warm plinth]

Yeah but you'll have to get to 55 to unlock the next essence slot iirc

So it's a head start

[lusty grotto]

perhaps

[oblique garnet]

250 of those dubloons buys one of the rep tokens

or was it 100

and it gives 250 rep?

its not even worth

50->51 is 56k without ak iirc

[warm plinth]

100 is 250 rep

[exotic spoke]

Fuck that noise

[warm plinth]

Idk, I'm gonna use it to get ZT rep since there's no other consistent way to farm it

[exotic spoke]

Ill have about 12/13 caches saved up and some island quests / the weekly I’ll do this week.

Good enough for me

[dark lark]

Is there a sticky on essence theorycrafting yet

*insert *

[oblique garnet]

No because they are still subject to change

[dark lark]

Aw

[exotic spoke]

^^

[dark lark]

I just want to be told what to use! /S

[exotic spoke]

The one I’m most excited for isn’t around until new raid releases 😦

Perfection / lucid dreams seems to be really good.

That’s more feelycraft though

[dark lark]

I'm excited for vision of perfection, what about you

Definitely feelycraft

[exotic spoke]

Vision of perfection as major. ENTIRELY feelycraft

[dark lark]

That's not the raid though

[oblique garnet]

I didnt find the logs i had from the essences with lucid dream compared to without

The rage gen was big

[spiral sandal]

Hrm, am I understanding this correctly?

1. Bound/intercept in
2. Demo Shout [Booming voice],
3. Thunderclap
   4a. [if on CD] Revenge
   4b. Devestate?

whoops forgot shieldslam over thunderclap

[oblique garnet]

1. Avatar

[dark lark]

@spiral sandal I would slam/TClap before demo shout

For snap agro

[steel mauve]

intercept and avatar at the same time

[dark lark]

And yes avatar first

Shield block as 3

SB is off gcd anyway

[steel mauve]

i wouldnt exactly put AM's into the order

[dark lark]

So it should be up asap

[spiral sandal]

I tend to keep a look at when its up and use it as neccessary ignoring pain if its on CD

[steel mauve]

they should just be used as the situation arises

ignore pain should be used with shield block not when you cant SB

[dark lark]

So I would go,

1. Intercept/Avatar
2. Shield Slam or Thunderclap (based on number of mobs)
   2b. Shield Block ASAP
3. Demo Shout

[exotic spoke]

Dshoo the dungeon isn’t releasing until the raid does

That’s why we can’t get perfection until then

[spiral sandal]

Interesting

[dark lark]

@exotic spoke

[spiral sandal]

went into a timewalking and was getting aggro ripped off me so I assumed it was one of two things: Poor play on my part

or B) Stats after scaling hurting me

[oblique garnet]

Poor play

[dark lark]

Avatar with clap will snap agro to you

Almost guaranteed

[oblique garnet]

90% of the time

[steel mauve]

imo i dont think TW has ever scaled well, but as a warrior its mostly play

[spiral sandal]

I know with druids and their trees thats a given - those things kinda taunt

[dark lark]

I don't even time walk on baby alts

[spiral sandal]

same with earth elemental

[steel mauve]

the only time you get aggro ripped is if the dps massively outgear you, or you arent hitting buttons

[dark lark]

That sfine

[spiral sandal]

i was level 93

[exotic spoke]

Or skittish

[spiral sandal]

and I saw the mage at 120 - was unsure of it was after scaling issues

[steel mauve]

as a prot warrior you still dont during skittish unless the 2 above apply

[dark lark]

Those are minions taking damage, not party members. You can still build agro until the minions die

[exotic spoke]

But I didn’t read the whole chat. So ignore what I said lol

[spiral sandal]

All bueno

i would rather focus on improvement on my end

so iinput is always welcome

[dark lark]

Clap before Demo imo, you need the snap agro

[steel mauve]

basically if you can keep SS and TC on cd then chances are you wont lose aggro

[exotic spoke]

Also, iron if dps goes mongo on sifferent targets cause of say bursting - and you don’t have avatar up yet yeah they will lol

[dark lark]

The demo shout mitigation will still be helpful a GCD later

[spiral sandal]

fair

[steel mauve]

ya, tc before demo usually is needed

[spiral sandal]

So leap in TC [if avatar is off CD use it]

then shout

and start slamming shields