protection

[spiral ravine]

Guys can anyone please explain me the "window bug" for the last trash un WCM?

[sick sentinel]

One guy jumps on the window

They try to jump

They get no path available

So they don't

And they melee you instead

Some thing with snapping in AD

[spiral ravine]

So dps get up un the window while i tank the trash down and they get no dmg?

[sick sentinel]

Only 1 person needs to

Do you mind me promoting my own shit? I have a video of a wcm 20 where we do it

[spiral ravine]

Sure sure!

[spice ferry]

i would also like to see this video

[sick sentinel]

It was in promotion

Wait

Linked it again

[spice ferry]

ty

thanks @sick sentinel thats sweet will definitely use next time

[sick sentinel]

You should

It's really really good

[spice ferry]

i dont really watch other people do keys often so i never really find out about these kind of things

[sick sentinel]

I don't watch either

I get told by people that do

[spice ferry]

yeah we've only just really started looking at what other people do for our runs

like we found the FH first boss los thing organically haha

[trim bay]

@sick sentinel what should ur dps be on a freehold

[sick sentinel]

Depends on week, pulls, key level and other factors

and dick size

[spice ferry]

dick size is very relevant

[sick sentinel]

It's way too late, I'm gonna go to bed, you chose the worst time to ask me a question

Dm me and I will get to you in the morning

[trim bay]

haha sorry its 1045 am here

but ty

[open gazelle]

can your ignore pain shield crit for more or not? ive noticed the first one is usally 60k and you can overlap it with a new one to about 80kish but i havent noticed if it can crit and your first one can be 80k or so

[undone sun]

No crit

[sick sentinel]

i think this week my overall was like 30k

where top dps was 40k+

@trim bay

but it depends on pulls where you lust and stuff like that

[open gazelle]

wow thats a bummer, pretty sure it could crit in legion

[sick sentinel]

im pretty sure it didnt in legion aswell

it might be versa proc that increased the shield value or something

like concordance itself and it could stack 3 times unlike now

[steel mauve]

it never crit

[dapper canyon]

Will I be able to use titanium residuum for better gear next patch / does it in it make sense to spend it now ?

[astral crystal]

what melva said

when concordance procced your IP got ridic

[undone sun]

There was another ip crit in the artifact too

"""crit"""

Ip proc is the right term I mean

[spice ferry]

@dapper canyon a random max ilvl piece is going to cost 47500 next patch. Presuming that its 3 weeks per random (like now), if you can get (or be close to) 16k by the time s2 drops then yes it is worth to save

[willow scarab]

@dapper canyon

[spice ferry]

obviously the amount we acquire through other means is also going to increas with 8.2, so if you say have 14k and during the first 2 weeks can farm that extra 2k, plus the ~15.8k you'll get each week from a 10, you can then buy a piece early. Then it is worthwhile

[willow scarab]

I second what Konrad has said, originally people were aiming for 17-20k before s3 and if you're not close to that then it's not worth worrying about stocking up TR

[spice ferry]

however if you are relatively low (sub 10k) imo its not really gunna make any difference in the first few weeks of s3 whether you saved it or not, and if you have weak peices you may as well fish for better pieces.

If you're happy with what you have now, then might as well hold it regardless though

[ebon lagoon]

Question, I got two 375 shoulders, both with Iron Fortress and Crash; one has Azerite Veins and Intimidating, the other has Gutripper and Gemhide. Which one is better? I'd be double-stacking the 2ndary traits with the first shoulder.

[spice ferry]

probably the gutripper one for dps, but its a 375 piece you'll replace it soon enough

[ebon lagoon]

Ok.

[willow scarab]

I'd take azerite veins if you're doing content that is hurting you, gutripper otherwise. 375 shoulders with gutripper won't help you do prog

[ebon lagoon]

Okay.

[sand relic]

HOW DO U DROP STACKS ON king rasta mythic

im trying to heal as a monk but i have to stand in the stuff to heal him and it hurts

hes keep getting hit way 2 hard

[lusty grotto]

hmm

no swaps on mythic?

im just making shit up i havent done mythic hehe

[sand relic]

I heard there is a way to drop stacks

[lusty grotto]

someone will probably answer soon

[dapper canyon]

@spice ferry @willow scarab Thanks

[spice ferry]

do you have to stand inside to heal?

im pretty sure if the tank max meele ranges bwom you can heal from outside the circle

its kinda tricky to position though

[lusty grotto]

yeah the range doesn't increase in mythic right?

[spice ferry]

honestly i dont know haha

stuck on jaina prog so havent recleared in ages

[lusty grotto]

kinda weird cause im sure healers have range outside the circle in heroic

[junior ivy]

hi

[spice ferry]

im 99% sure if your tank max meele ranges bwom he's healable from outside. There are two strats, you either suicide to reset stacks and ankh totem or swap when rasta does the spell that makes tanks run away

[willow scarab]

You swap during scorching dev because rasta won't move

or you get a pally/bdk to solo it with magic immune + AP totem

Taking 5-10 stacks to heal tank is okay but not good,tank can position bwon and then move 2 steps back without bwom moving

making him in range to heal

[spice ferry]

yeh thought that was the case

[sand relic]

ya we are doing the reset strat with totem

but hes still getting hit super hard

and it takes a while for stacks to drop off then i cant get back in to heal him

@willow scarab

[willow scarab]

Totem is the hardest strat of them all

If the tnak is getting hard he's either going way over 40 stacks or is bad

and he's being hit hard, it's not that you guys aren't healing hard enough - right?

[steep lily]

Just spell reflect

Forehead

[spice ferry]

@sand relic what tank are you talking about? presumably warrior since you're here?

[sick sentinel]

Best you link a log so we know exactly whats going on

[lusty grotto]

so i fucked around with a spotter on a 17

mfw giants aren't affected by spotter

i knew about horsies

[dense flame]

have you guys messed with lurker gift in m+?

[lusty grotto]

but not giants lmao

[sick sentinel]

Lurkers is nice

[dense flame]

does it ever seem to get in way?

[spice ferry]

yeah they're not

neither are the reaps that spawn from them

[lusty grotto]

was fun

ya

that i knew about

[sick sentinel]

Lurkers in M+ lines up better than raid because u aint using avatar on CD

[lusty grotto]

im certainly using avatar on cd

except when reap is coming

[dense flame]

does the dmg taken ever feel like it gets in the way

[lusty grotto]

smh

[sick sentinel]

dmg taken is weak

Better options for pumping cuz it aint the burstiest option

[lusty grotto]

there def are better trinkets

[sick sentinel]

Lurker is less potent but lasts long, would be good for big big pulls if u trust yourself to stay alive

[dense flame]

fsho

[sick sentinel]

What options do u have

[dense flame]

currently i use 420 prism/405 socket gore. Have 410 lurker socket, 400 rezan, 410 uunat tank trinket, 400 anchor.

[sick sentinel]

Shame that u don't have any on use trinkets like Vial or RAGE

[wispy plume]

since we talking about trinkets what yall think between the three: 400 Prism, 410 Gigavolt Engine, and 415 Alch stone

[echo cloud]

where did the spell reflect BFA listing go?

[undone sun]

#268491842637660160

[fresh valley]

jaina 9% wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!

[dense flame]

[shut summit]

[undone sun]

[lusty grotto]

nice nice!

[exotic spoke]

Missing UR 21 by 15 seconds feels bad

😦

Nim its your fault

[distant crystal]

sounds like you didn't pull big enough

[olive fulcrum]

does anyone know how much haste you need to hit a 4/2 second TClap with max stacks of ITTF? im sitting at 1.7k haste and TClap is 2.1 sec cd i want to get it down to 2 sec for fun

[potent anvil]

During avatar?

[distant crystal]

lol

can you imagine how much you'd need outside avatar

like 75000 haste rating

[potent anvil]

Well, 200% haste during avatar, so 400% outside of it? W/e that is in rating.

If you wanted thunderclap to be every global.

[olive fulcrum]

its 4.2 sec baseline and 2.1 during avatar (sorry didnt make that clear)

[timid jay]

If my quick maff is correct it should be roughly 2950 haste rating

3/(1+1.15x)=2 x=~0.434

[olive fulcrum]

fuck thats still a bit far even in uldir....

[timid jay]

43.4*68=~2950

[ionic fern]

I miss the phrase "napkin math"

:(

[timid jay]

well I didnt have a napkin here

[soft kindle]

I can pretend Cosmo is orange

👏

[timid jay]

Dont need to be orange to do the EZ math

[sick sentinel]

He didn't ask how much fpr every global

He asked for a 2 sec cd

@olive fulcrum I had 4/2 sec cd on tclap with about 1850 haste

[timid jay]

what

Its for 2 sec cd

hence 3/(1+1.15x)=2

3 second base with avatar

1+1.15(ITF) times the haste you need to reach 2

[sick sentinel]

I am confusion

[timid jay]

Ok so say you have 50% haste

6 second base CD on TC

6/(1+0.5)=4

4 second CD

[sick sentinel]

Yes

[timid jay]

Percentage haste buffs stacks multiplicatively

So itf + the required haste to reach 2 second CD with avatar up would be3/(1+1.15X)=2

Which turns out to be roughly 46% haste

[sick sentinel]

That sounds about right

[timid jay]

Wait

no

I'm stupid

LUL

[sick sentinel]

Shouldn't 50% haste give you 2 sec thunderclaps with avatar

[timid jay]

Its supposed to be 3/(1+0.15X)=2

wait

am I stupid

its too early for math

[sick sentinel]

Doing this on phone is a lot harder than j thought

[timid jay]

https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=3%2F((1%2B0.15)X)%3D2

30.4% haste

2069.58

rating

@olive fulcrum I fucked the math, its way less rating xd

[lime mantle]

After or before into the fray?

[timid jay]

After

WIth full ITF

Its been too long since I did any haste calculations 😅

[trim bay]

this may be a very stupid question, but is there a haste cap? or is it un limited per say

[sick sentinel]

100%

[timid jay]

Thats only for GCD

0.75 sec GCD is the lowest

Haste still works at higher amounts to reduce TC CD etc

and attack speed

and so on

[sick sentinel]

@timid jay my tc is 4 sec cd outside of avatar at 48% haste

[timid jay]

6/(1+0.48)=~4.05

chec´ks out

[sick sentinel]

okay nice

[sharp night]

your base formula is still incorrect

should be 3/(1.15*(1+x))=2

oh the formula you put into wolfram was correct though

[timid jay]

yeah thats why I linked it

xd

forgot the 1+x, just had x

but yeah

still got the right haste eventually

[sharp night]

yeah that doesn't matter since you can define x as either the percentage increase in haste you need or the total haste you have without ITF

[timid jay]

more clear in having it as the +haste you need tbh

[sharp night]

some people prefer it the other way for whatever reason

just like how blizz shows percentage increases per key level even though it's somewhat less intuitive than the "multiplier"

[old zephyr]

now the real question, is by how much does avatar increase your DPS assuming 3 BoM

[near ivy]

a lot

[long yarrow]

hi guys

i have a question

[ionic fern]

👋

[long yarrow]

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=271546/strength-in-numbers this

trait

stack?

how much life?

[ionic fern]

The hp stacks yes.

[long yarrow]

x2?

so...

20k for enemy?

[near ivy]

#promotion

[strong forum]

#promotion

[south yarrow]

xd

[sick sentinel]

@reef inlet #promotion

No

It's not

Now get it out of here

[stoic night]

I'm assuming w.e that person posted was removed / removed from server / banned? Can't find anything upon recent scrolling 😮

[sick sentinel]

He deleted it

[heady bluff]

Can we solo tank the first boss on Boa with shield reflect? Seems hard to reflect that debuf

[sick sentinel]

Yes we can

[heady bluff]

And when do you spell reflect? Seems to be hard to "aim" it

[exotic spoke]

After he does the angelic whatever - can’t remember the full name. There’s another cast after that. I refect during that cast

[heady bluff]

Ty

[steel mauve]

Reflect right at the end of the long angelic cast and youll reset every time, there isnt a cast right after it, about 1 or 2 seconds before its ended

[exotic spoke]

There’s been a cast right after it for me when he does righteous fury I think

[steel mauve]

Shes always meleed me right after the cast, and the 10 second cast is about the only way to reset with out kiting

[exotic spoke]

Are you horse or alliance?

Horde

[sick sentinel]

Horse

Lmao

[trim bay]

@sick sentinel sorry again if this sounds retarded but why do people gem crit

if haste is our primary stat

and they woudlnt be at 100 percent

just for avatar memes?

[sick sentinel]

It doesn't sound retarded and it's a very good question

[trim bay]

Whew. lol

i see warriors with less gear then me gemming crit and im like 😮 wtf am i doing wrong

[sick sentinel]

Haste is really really good defensively and its value doesn't really diminish

But crit is also extremely good for dungeons

And some people that do high keys (me included) after they are comfortable enough to have as high shieldblock uptime as they can get they go for crit enchants and gems

(You still keep quick navigation though)

The reason for that is not necessarily what you think it is

[trim bay]

hmmm. as in high SB uptime from their haste?

[sick sentinel]

Yes

Up to a point you need more haste to not have gaps

The thing with parrying attacks is

It's more rng

And rng mitigation is bad

[trim bay]

Yea. i assumed you would always have downtime with SB

feck

there is so much to learn

[sick sentinel]

But you can parry bleeds and magic effects

(Magic effects that apply on hit)

[trim bay]

yea. but at what point do you decide to go crit

purely when your happy with your rotation? like you said?

[sick sentinel]

There is always downtime but you fill in with LS and SW

You know you can go for crit

When you don't have to ask that question

[trim bay]

hahaha

yea thats fair enough

i just wanted to educate my self more or less

[sick sentinel]

I don't wanna say any specific numbers or the one I use because people get angry or take my words in a way I didn't mean to

[trim bay]

well do u assess your haste with out into the fray

[sick sentinel]

With

Well

No

Wrong question=wrong answer

I assess my haste by haste rating

[trim bay]

well this will sound dumb. what do you mean by haste rating

[sick sentinel]

How much is your haste number

As in, how much is the stat

[trim bay]

1232

[sick sentinel]

Get more haste

[trim bay]

what should one aim for

[sick sentinel]

Depends on how many procs you have on your gear, as in OP/rezans/eng helm etc

But you need at least 1400

Or so

Because that's when you can do 3 SBs in a row without a gap

But that's the minimum amount of haste where you're comfortable

It's not a cap or soft cap of any sorts

[trim bay]

hmmm. very interesting. i didnt know that. that seems like a lot of haste

as in if u dont get socketrs etc

sockets

[strong forum]

I was at 1.7k haste when I chose to gem crit

[sick sentinel]

Same as nome

[trim bay]

well wtf

[sick sentinel]

I was at 1750

[strong forum]

But that's only to get that 30% parry cuz it looks cool to have 30%perma parry

And now I have 1.5k crit and haste

[sick sentinel]

Then I switched 5 haste gems to crit gems

[trim bay]

are you lucky with drops or just smash content enough to get socketed gear

[strong forum]

Lucky

[sick sentinel]

I smash

[strong forum]

I'm confident to say I have one of the best gear in the world, but that's also lucky

[trim bay]

if i jump into gear i thought was less good i got 1379 haste

[sick sentinel]

@trim bay keep highest ilvl

[trim bay]

what about wpns

that have haste

and a socket

[strong forum]

Ilvl

[trim bay]

kk

well i feel like im told to get more haste

[sick sentinel]

I have like 1550 crit, 1400 haste, 200vers and like 600 or so mast

[strong forum]

On weapons only ilvl matters

[trim bay]

but forced to have less

[strong forum]

Well you're not forced

But it's better to have haste oriented gear

[sick sentinel]

Look fam

Ilvl is king

You can choose stats between items of the same ilvl

[trim bay]

yea thats what i do. and i always pick haste vers items. or the one with the most haste

[strong forum]

Also I remember you saying you're low ilvl? Or was that sm1 else

[trim bay]

im 416

[strong forum]

Oh nvm

[sick sentinel]

Haste vers for raids, haste crit for dungeons

[dense flame]

You know what would be sick

[trim bay]

well. my mastery is at 1189

[dense flame]

being baseline

[strong forum]

That's oof

[trim bay]

but my vers is

liek

[sick sentinel]

That's

[trim bay]

65

[sick sentinel]

A lot of mastery

[strong forum]

1.2k mastery is quite... Ooof

[dense flame]

Imagine class fantasy using ravager

[trim bay]

well i wish i could swap it out

lol

[dense flame]

Thunderclap everything and then throw ravager

[strong forum]

Ye, @oblique garnet knows that he's got like 13%vers

[trim bay]

13 percentr

[strong forum]

Ravager baseline would be fun to say the least

[trim bay]

how

[strong forum]

Unluck

That's how

[sick sentinel]

^^

[ionic fern]

Rng with gear as it is with WoW.

[trim bay]

so basically depending on your luck, every single person will have a different stat layout

due to RNG

[ionic fern]

Jep

[olive merlin]

I have 13% vers too.. at 413 ilvl

[strong forum]

Unless you play 50000+ dungeons every season

[trim bay]

i have 1 percent vers

[strong forum]

Ye same

[ionic fern]

Eventually you will get enough same ilvl gear that you can "optimize".

[trim bay]

Bloody hell. I wonder what else im doing wrong

[strong forum]

Play more

Thats the only solution

[trim bay]

tell my wife

[strong forum]

To shit gear

Atleast you have a wife :pepehands:

[trim bay]

haha

😦

[strong forum]

But I got my new cpu yesterday so I'm happy

[trim bay]

very nice

going back to the FH

and 30k dps being good

[strong forum]

Ye that's aight

[trim bay]

i really struggle to see hjow thats achieved

do u lust in trash/reaping

[strong forum]

Freehold is one of dungeons where you can get 40k tbh

As tank

[trim bay]

well

[ionic fern]

You just pull big

[trim bay]

i need to re roll

[strong forum]

Ye freehold is just big pull fiesta

For the pumps

[trim bay]

i assume u dont pug

[strong forum]

Nop

But my healer is a shaman

So think of that what you will

[ionic fern]

Pug is the best for pulling big tho since someone always either body pulls or tab targets the wrong pack.

👌

[dense flame]

Hahaha

[trim bay]

hahaha yea that is legit

[olive merlin]

Also have to make sure you have dps with you that can kill said big pull. Everyime I pull big I'm standing there tanking forever.. but that's like 13s

[dense flame]

Bolster everything

[strong forum]

In pugging you need to hit 150% count BTW

[sick sentinel]

Or be like @oblique garnet

And doctor the pulls

So you look good in overall damage

[dense flame]

I love when you are purposefully delaying a pull for a pat, then someone gets impatient

And just pulls for you

“Retard tank pulled the pat”

[oblique garnet]

@sick sentinel i dont do that

My pulls are efficient

[trim bay]

when ur in a reaping pull or just a massive pull and your using avatar. due to the GCD are you just spaming DC or revenge in between DC casts

[livid totem]

Tehre are retards everywhere.

[trim bay]

sorry

TC

raizou is on the money

[ionic fern]

TC does the most aoe damage so if you can use it every GCD you spam that after getting the bleed on the enemies.

[livid totem]

Just saw one this morning : a restodruid doing almost as much DPS as mine and saying I was lost in Eye of Azshara.

@dense flame

I simply had a big lag.

1 fight was enough for him to think I don't know how to play my class.

[dense flame]

Lol. Honestly for me I always get great “bar stories” from pugging.

[trim bay]

so once bleed is applied just use TC. dont cycle between TC and Revenge

[olive merlin]

Honestly don't know how you guys have the patience to pug as tank

[dense flame]

It’s like “untold stories of the ER” but “untold stories of BFA M+”

[livid totem]

Just use Revenge whenever you proc it, or have too much rage to spend on.

[trim bay]

'its hit and miss

[livid totem]

but never ever skip TC.

[sick sentinel]

I don't pug 🤷

[trim bay]

so when avatar is used

if i use revenge wouldnt that reset the GCD

[dense flame]

I like practicing on my veng DH in pugs

[trim bay]

so i should just be spamming TC

[dense flame]

[trim bay]

im a potato

[livid totem]

Is it possible to TC spam ? oO

[trim bay]

well feck

[exotic spoke]

I mean... it’s basically what we do lol

[dense flame]

With enough haste procs yes

[exotic spoke]

In m+

[trim bay]

i like TC and revenge on fre e procs

but i get alot of free procs

[exotic spoke]

You need to use SS too. Don’t miss opportunities for that either.

[livid totem]

well I always did revenge and TC back to back during avatar

[ionic fern]

With "normal level" of haste you TC every other gcd without lust in Avatar windows.

[exotic spoke]

Do not give up shield slams for free revenges

[trim bay]

my lo rd

i would pay good money to watch someone play

[ionic fern]

Plenty of warrior streamers

Or just check Sense on YT.

[olive merlin]

I go something like TC into revenge to spread bleed into Tc, sb, tc, free whatever proc, Tc, free whatever, Tc, sb etc.

[sick sentinel]

Look at my vids

[exotic spoke]

Unless I’m giving bad advice because I’m hung over. But basically it generates rage and we want to maximize rage utilization

[ionic fern]

Diddn't know you stream Kaege.🤔

[exotic spoke]

Scar, you need to use shield slam

[sick sentinel]

I uploaded 2 videos on youtube lmao

[ionic fern]

😂

[sick sentinel]

My pc can't stream

[exotic spoke]

I started streaming this past week.

Best warrior on a shit server

[sick sentinel]

And I had to lower my settings to 1 save for particle effects and projected textures

[livid totem]

I'm gonna have good internet this afternoon

[exotic spoke]

Sorry - the best warrior on my shit server... cause I’m like the only warrior that does mythic raids and higher keys

[sick sentinel]

But I have a 20timed wcm and a 21ml over by 4 mins up on my youtube

[livid totem]

I'm waiting for the guy and then I'll be able to stream (hopefully)

[exotic spoke]

Missing UR21 by 16 seconds felt bad

[ionic fern]

[livid totem]

I thought you said 15 ?

15 sec

[olive merlin]

@exotic spoke I use ss in there.. it's free quite often and usually fills in one of those "free whatever" slots 😂

[exotic spoke]

Aight. Just making sure. Don’t skimp on your Shueld slams

I thought it was 15. Looked at io and it said 16

[olive merlin]

Nah.. the thing I have to watch though is I will forget about sb before ss sometimes.

[exotic spoke]

Had 3 deaths.

If we didn’t die we time it. We also had to reset the 3rd boss because of one of those deaths. That cost us a minute

[hushed whale]

I know its skittish but I was having a rough time with threat last night 😦

[jagged bay]

hello i hope you all have a amazing weekend 😃

[sick sentinel]

@jagged bay thanks you too ❤

[strong forum]

DW I'll stream

[jagged bay]

thanks 😃

[strong forum]

With my amazing i9 9900k but Bitrate of insane 1.7k

So I have the power, but not enough Internet

Not to mention 200 ping :pepega:

[livid totem]

I have it !

yay !

wait

Gotta go fast !

I know, "only" 57 Mbps for the upload, but I'm pretty sure it's more than enough for streaming, right ?

[sick sentinel]

that's mine

lmao

[livid totem]

Sound like mine 1 hour ago.

[strong forum]

Tfw my old flat 1 Street further could get 1gbit/s and my current can get 25mbit/s max

Bro fuck old buildings

For streaming 5k-6k is the best

For crisp stream, but 3k is already enough

[livid totem]

wait what ?

you're telling me, it's slow for streaming ?

if so, sh.t.

The world is moving way too fast for my tastes...

[warm plinth]

57 Mbps upload is way more than enough for streaming @livid totem

[hot jetty]

hello is it possible create a macro for intercept + victory rush when available?

[warm plinth]

Pretty sure Nim was talking about bitrate

[sick sentinel]

@hot jetty it is possible but also a really really bad idea

[hot jetty]

@sick sentinel why?

[spice ferry]

ive streamed with like 4mbps up

[warm plinth]

Eh of all the weird macros I’ve seen asked for in here, it’s probably the one least likely to cause an issue. He can’t intercept and victory rush at the same time ever because of the min range on Intercept.

[sick sentinel]

it will never work

[hot jetty]

I know that, but my idea is use VR when is on and when I am not in range use intercept

[sick sentinel]

except if you want to have one less button, the same for victory rush and intercept

[hot jetty]

@sick sentinel exactly one button for 2 spell

[warm plinth]

Why not? 🤔 Can you not just do /cast intercept /cast VR and it’ll accomplish what he wants? It’s weird but it won’t hurt anything

[sick sentinel]

sure yeah

a

/cast victory rush``` should work

but 🤷 do wherever you want with it

[hot jetty]

ok perfect,

what do you mean?

[warm plinth]

I don’t think #showtooltip will work properly with it though, since you can cast intercept on enemy targets as well.

[spice ferry]

wouldn't it just always try to cast intercept?

[warm plinth]

Yeah but since it’s off GCD, it’ll also always try to cast Victory Rush

[spice ferry]

oh yeah true

[warm plinth]

And since there’s no situation you can cast both at once, it’s pretty safe

[empty inlet]

https://gyazo.com/f39e7967075e6bad19df9009634467ee

my azerite trait when i was doing keys yesterday 🤔

[warm plinth]

I don’t even recognize the top right one lol. What is that

[empty inlet]

fury traits

[warm plinth]

Oh haha

[sick sentinel]

LMAO

[empty inlet]

i mean i didn't feel any difference /shrug

[warm plinth]

Yeah I mean the other two are fine really lol. That’s BoM and MS right?

[empty inlet]

ya

[warm plinth]

Can’t imagine feeling bad traits on one piece

[indigo thorn]

Some traits for some specs can actually be used in other specs (though the ones I’ve heard got nerfed cross-spec). Example would be brewmaster and the pressure point trait. However, idk if those fury traits would’ve done anything.

[sick sentinel]

they don't do anything]

[strong forum]

@livid totem 57mbit/s is 57000kbit/s, you need 5-6mbit/s (, 5000-6000kbit/s)

So you have 10x of the speed 'required'

[livid totem]

oh ok !

phew...

[strong forum]

Now I corrected it properly

[warm plinth]

Yeah I can stream just fine and I have like 20 upload or something like that.

Because Spectrum provides quality internet to modern nations. 👍

[sick sentinel]

@oblique garnet I dropped 1IF for a MS

i play double MS

its really good

proc rate is really high

I can drop the TC for a IF tho

and go 3 bom 1ms 1dc 1 if

instead of this

[civic isle]

Any word on how prot warriors are going to do come 8.2?

[open bluff]

still stupid strong, aoe's not going to be as insane due to unstoppable force nerf + no more reaping in m+

[strong forum]

^

Still the strongest

[lime mantle]

S-strongest is gonna be VDH!
[Laugh track]

[analog swift]

I also think with tyrannical beginning to outscale health intercept is going to be more and mroe useful

[strong forum]

Which is stupid BTW

There shouldn't be attacks in 1shot range whilst everything else hits like a wet noodle

Like eudora being ultra dangers just because of her fucking 1shot

[lime mantle]

Spit gold and needles

[warm plinth]

Spit gold is getting nerfed in 8.2 though iirc

[lime mantle]

Yep

I was listing shit that hurts

[warm plinth]

Powder Shot definitely is gonna need similar treatment though unless we want to have the Legion shit going on by the end of the expansion

[stoic pilot]

Well

It’s already happening now

Was watching a 26 TYR and Eudora one shot a Druid with resounding and 260k hp

[warm plinth]

Yeah, but only on super high keys that don't affect the vast majority of the M+ community.

[stoic pilot]

Like ???

[warm plinth]

But the scaling and M+ difficulty increases will put us back to where we're seeing that much lower

[stoic pilot]

Well yeah just saying it’s not near the end of expansion and it’s starting to happen already

[warm plinth]

Yeah, fair enough

[lusty grotto]

btw ive been streamiung 1440p @ 60fps on 100mb down 10mb up

should be enough

upload is the real limit to streaming

[lime mantle]

Time to make a target of target macro?

[warm plinth]

lol

[livid totem]

1440p and 60 fps with only 10 Mb ? I'm good then ~

[lusty grotto]

ya you should be good

[warm plinth]

I guess I don't have 20 up either. I have 10 so yeah, should be fine

[livid totem]

I think th eproblem will be my cpu which could be the bottleneck

[sick sentinel]

fuck siege

just wanted to say

[lusty grotto]

yeah

[warm plinth]

👍

[lusty grotto]

fuck those little shits that run

bolster the shit out of everything

[livid totem]

I'm using a modest ryzen 3, which I doubt could handle that much 1440p and 60 fps

[sick sentinel]

we lost the time cause spoter bugged out

[livid totem]

but I'm sure it'll be enough for 720p at least

[lusty grotto]

sorry raizou

that's what i stream with hehe

[livid totem]

aw :p

[sick sentinel]

i stream with 5mb upload

[livid totem]

no wonder

[sick sentinel]

its enough

[warm plinth]

Dem post hurricane speeds though

[lusty grotto]

but ive streamed with less

[warm plinth]

77ms ping though; feels bad

What do you get in-game?

[lusty grotto]

yo 50 mbits up is really good though

you have more than enough

that depends on the data center you're running the speed test against

i get around that though for WoW

60-70

[warm plinth]

That's not bad then

[lusty grotto]

kinda weird that its 800 down but so little up in comparison

but that's still 20mbits more than me

could stream 1440 np

[warm plinth]

I think Comcast does 1 gig down 50 up in some areas around here. I just need to move a little south so I can get that google fiber though. 1 gig up :Q...

[lusty grotto]

so anything less is more than doable

1080, 720... etc etc

comcast man 😢

good thing there's no comcast here hehe

[warm plinth]

I have Spectrum; I don't even get speeds that high so that would be an upgrade lol

[lusty grotto]

i was with verizon in virginia

avoided comcast like the plague

[warm plinth]

Was their fios pretty good?

[lusty grotto]

in the area i was in yes

but obvioulsy it varies from area to area

[warm plinth]

Yeah ofc

[sick sentinel]

I heard azerite traits are stealth changed on ptr
anything interesting for prot atm?

[strong forum]

streaming at 1440p is a waste

1080p is the max thats supported afaik

[lusty grotto]

a waste for who

[strong forum]

its not supported to be streamed you only get a 1080p output

[lusty grotto]

uhh

[strong forum]

from twitch's end

your streams only in 720p 60fps

your output*

your canvas aka mainscreen may be 1440p 60fps but the output is only 720p as of your last vod

[lusty grotto]

yeah you're right

[strong forum]

its relatively new even that twitch supports 1080p 60fps

[lusty grotto]

its 720p max for non-affiliates

[strong forum]

yup

well no

720 60

[lusty grotto]

yeah

[strong forum]

eiher 1080 30

or 720 60

[lusty grotto]

affiliates get a lot more though, im pretty sure ive seen more than 1080@60

[strong forum]

i streamed 1080 40fps 3 years back

affilates get options

[lusty grotto]

like shroud for example

[strong forum]

thats a partner

[lusty grotto]

ah

well yeah

[strong forum]

thing is, you can stream on 1080 60, but theres no lower options

affiliates / partners get options

but you are limited to 5k as unpartnered

and partners can stream open end now

[lusty grotto]

let me double check my settings

[strong forum]

like, if you dont have a sub button

you cant use more than 5k upload anyway

btw

[lusty grotto]

yeah no sub button is non-affiliate, that much i know

[strong forum]

and im pretty sure nobody can output a clean 1440p 60fps stream at this point and time

1080 is relatively new as i mentioned

top quality used to be 864p 60fps

[lusty grotto]

yup def downscaled in my settings, just saw it

[strong forum]

big brain here ama

man the things i would stream if i had good upload now.

it'd be so entertaining you dont even know

like my guild could lowkey get mad views on youtube with the shit we're talking

[lusty grotto]

hmm

so my settings were changed by streamlabs, but

my OBS downscaled to 1080

ive only just started using streamlabs

either way it doesnt matter

[strong forum]

streamlabs is wonky

obs studio is faster

[willow scarab]

Doesn't everyone use OBS?

[strong forum]

imo

[lusty grotto]

since its max 720

[strong forum]

streamlabs is OBS

but a different kind of OBS

[warm plinth]

Yeah, Streamlabs is just OBS but different

[lusty grotto]

streamlabs is just a nicer looking skin with some options

[strong forum]

OBS studio is the general one, streamlabs OBS is a "modded" version

i have both

like studio more cuz its way less laggy

[willow scarab]

More prot warrior content

Show us your vids boys

[warm plinth]

I just checked out streamlabs the other day; it's kind of overcomplicated at first glance

[lusty grotto]

streamlabs is kind of easier to use than OBS

but its the same thing yeah

depends on what you want or need

[strong forum]

streamlabs gives you more fancy stuff

its compiled

[lusty grotto]

yup

ive only started using it recently in comparison though

OBS was always the go-to

Studio, that is

[strong forum]

really doesnt make a difference

[lusty grotto]

as long as settings are properly configured i suppose not

[strong forum]

both do the same, streamlabs is just more stuff that otherwise would require additional installs or edits in the browser

[lusty grotto]

ya like looking at twitch chat :p

[strong forum]

you can edit your dashboard and sub stuff directly in streamlabs which you would otherwise do on twitch/dashboard or streamlabs.com

[lusty grotto]

streamlabs also has a wizard for settings

[strong forum]

ya but dont do that

[lusty grotto]

if you dont know what you're doing for bitrates and shit

[strong forum]

well doesnt take alot of effort to setup

[lusty grotto]

right, but its good for beginners

[empty inlet]

https://gyazo.com/1fabeec1cc341b303049cd9c009ead53

that time of the week

:pepega:

[sick sentinel]

oh no

ML is horrible

[potent anvil]

Just do the anti-bolster strat for mechs, easy.

[empty inlet]

?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/508094300614164503/589002000046489601/unknown.png

didnt' work btw

died 20 times and only killed 1 mech

[potent anvil]

Yeah, that's one way to do it. Afaik, 4 mechs can be prompted early and you can pull around it afterwards.

Takes setup, so I dunno if its entirely worth.

[honest frigate]

Just skip to R&D and don’t do peacekeepers ez

[empty inlet]

just drop the ml to a 10 and push it back up

[sick sentinel]

whats the anti-bolster strat for mechs?

[potent anvil]

Peacekeeper 1, 2, 8, 9 can be put in at the start of the key aka rogues/anyone that can rush in and get them in and suicide. After that, you can literally just pull around them without aggro'ing.
Could get an extra mech by having an rdruid/monk or anyone with a grab/push to get Peacekeeper 10.

[empty inlet]

have rogue stealth ahead and tag all the mech jocky and vanish Keepo

[potent anvil]

According to MDT.

[sick sentinel]

alright ty

[potent anvil]

If you tag the respective jockeys and then die, assuming people who aren't doing anything are zoned out, you reset the aggro and can proceed thru normally.

[sick sentinel]

@warm plinth I recorded a 20 td

I thought I was recording on 22 ml but I didn't press the button

unluck I guess

[warm plinth]

RIP

[sick sentinel]

ml?

no\

it was uuuuugh

freehold

it got me some score as well 😄

[warm plinth]

Nice lol

[inland mesa]

My stream has all my I think 17s to 20s timed saved. Until my group fizzled out at 2500 io

I never got to try big boy keys :(

[nocturne rapids]

on grong mythic, if we get 3 smashes in a row. what to do?

say other tank gets one, i taunt for second one, then a third comes

[inland mesa]

First tank should taunt back

I'll put my twitch in promotion for key vods

[warm plinth]

I need moar YT uploads for when I'm bored at work lol.

[young rivet]

Yup, first tank to get hit taunts back @nocturne rapids

Just smash it cuz it’s gonna go be close

[opaque shuttle]

https://gyazo.com/0387fd5a0eca5753e88773060a47f6bd With those stats, should i go for a 410 haste/mastery ring ( motherlode ) or a 400 haste/crit ring ( boralus ) ?

[warm plinth]

Doesn't matter what your stats are; use the higher ilevel ring.

[prisma oracle]

Any useful addons I need out there? Im a freshly geared tank, ready for m+'s

[warm plinth]

Method Dungeon Tools is probably useful to have; it lets you set up routes for dungeons or import already-created routes

[prisma oracle]

Yeah, i've got that one under controle

any good addon to fuck this skittish thing?

I keep loosing aggro.

losing*

[warm plinth]

Tbh if you're losing aggro, one of two things is happening: Either your DPS outgear you by a lot, or you're likely not playing properly

That goes for skittish as well; it's basically a non-affix for us in 95% of cases

[glad sparrow]

Very hard to lose aggro in aoe situations as prot. Pretty much use Tclap as much as possible. I try to use avatar and demo shout at every pull. You do a ton of dmg and easy to keep aggro. For skittish you may have to taunt but most cases Tclap will bring it back

[prisma oracle]

Im 398 playing with 415 dpsers, might be why :p

[warm plinth]

Yeah...that's definitely not gonna help haha

[glad sparrow]

Just keep spamming your Tclap. If you need to taunt more, heroic leap resets your taunt cooldown

[prisma oracle]

oh, nice. Didnt know that

[glad sparrow]

Very easy to miss

[prisma oracle]

is there a way to bind method dungeon tool to a button? so I can open that map instead of the regular map

[wooden radish]

@ionic fern boop. TGIF

[ionic fern]

@wooden radish i agree 💯%

[sweet summit]

415 or 400+s ring?

[ionic fern]

Most likely the 415 one.

[sweet summit]

ok, thanks

[sick sentinel]

Hi guys, what food do we eat as prot wars?

[lusty grotto]

#268491842637660160

https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/protection-warrior-pve-tank-gems-enchants-consumables

(you can use borealus sausages too)

[sick sentinel]

yeah, eat strength food....but really? crit food or haste food isnt even considered?

[lusty grotto]

you gain far more from str than the secondary options

its just due to the amount of stats they give you, nothing else

as they are limited

as in

70 of a secondary vs 85 (or 100) of str

[strong forum]

big laggy stream man here

[warm plinth]

wat

[strong forum]

im strumming

but i have shit upload

[lusty grotto]

lmao

rip

[warm plinth]

Wow, not even 5 out of 5

[sick sentinel]

I DO NOT WANNA DO MOTHERLODE OF FUCKING FORT AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[warm plinth]

You should. And just to make it extra horrible, you should pull all the masterminds

[agile spruce]

Do moment of glory stack guys?

just checked 😛 ye they do

[prisma oracle]

is the thunderclap nerf 70% or 50%?

[signal plover]

Pinzzzz

[empty inlet]

I depleted a 23 ml just to get a 22 ml

This is why muscle quit the game

[charred prawn]

he quit to be best frost bolter eu

and to spend all his time ganking lowbies in duskwood

[prisma oracle]

Best professions for a prot war?

[undone sun]

whatever makes the most money

[prisma oracle]

but for craftable items?

[warm plinth]

The engi helm is pretty good, but not mandatory.

[prisma oracle]

alch trinket not that great?

[warm plinth]

It's good if it's your highest trinket but just about anything halfway decent will be better than it at the same ilevel

If you're just really struggling to get trinks beyond 400, it'd be worth making the 415, but if you have 410/415 trinkets already it's not really worth it.

[wispy plume]

Yeah it’s not terrible. Like he said if you don’t have high trinkets it’s pretty decent. Like a 70% uptime on average in m+

[strong forum]

just got ML20 aswell

fun

[sick sentinel]

yeah ''fun''

good luck

its doable but feels so bad to play ML

[silent quest]

Guys is there a cooldown on reap soul stacks, or is it literally every melee hit?

and should i be doing anything to avoid them? or just facetank and wait for dispells?

[warm plinth]

It's every melee hit afaik. Healer should be dispelling you on CD

[sick sentinel]

yes its every melee

[silent quest]

i just had a ML where healer complained I got to too high stacks 😦

[warm plinth]

Were they dispelling on CD? Because they have no complaint if they weren't.

[silent quest]

I've always just facetanked with a cooldown up and shockwaved if it gets scary before

oh

3 dispells for one reaping

not sure if thats on cooldown or not

probably?

[warm plinth]

It ticks every 3 seconds. If they fail to dispel on CD, that means you're getting an additional, avoidable tick while you're at the highest stacks.

[silent quest]

oh no, only 2 for reaping

one was offensive

not sure purify CD. 8 seconds?

[warm plinth]

Every defensive dispel has an 8 second CD. So if they wait even one second, you're taking an extra tick

And it'll have however many extra stacks you gained in the last 3 seconds included in it, which could potentially be a lot

[silent quest]

how high stacks do you expect to get to?

between dispells

[oblique garnet]

30ish

Depends alot on the dungeon

[warm plinth]

it does depend on the pack though. Some packs will have more/less risen souls

The more Risens, the more stacks

[silent quest]

ok cool. his complaint was literally "you got to 30 stacks"

so i guess i probably was ok 😛

[warm plinth]

Yeah I mean before vers, 30 stacks is gonna do 60% of your HP per tick

So that's a lot of damage

[oblique garnet]

Healers fault if the tank dies to reaping

Dot

[warm plinth]

^

[trail whale]

or it's waycrest hallway side

[silent quest]

it was the first ML reaping

its not even like i died

he just complained 😛

[oblique garnet]

Waycrest hallway side reaping doesnt bring stacks high enough since maggots are not in it

[lusty grotto]

just remember that if you parry hits, you get less stacks obviously

[oblique garnet]

Havent been for ages

[warm plinth]

Or dodge with your 3% dodge 😄

[lusty grotto]

🙃

[warm plinth]

@sick sentinel Regeneratin' can be kinda clutch lol. That full heal after kiting in WCM once necrotic dropped 😮

[sick sentinel]

that's how it's meant to be used I think

it's very good if used properly

you can even use it with bleeds

press the button JUST after the tick

and heal 2 ticks before the next tick

[warm plinth]

Nice

[sick sentinel]

for grievous for example

[undone sun]

oh

that makes more sense

[warm plinth]

Thyme was like waitwut

[silent quest]

ok, so sounds like its not my error

[undone sun]

i was going to doubt that it "worked" with bleeds

[warm plinth]

Yeah definitely not

[silent quest]

ive never had problems with it before, so it seemed odd 😄

[warm plinth]

Nothing you could really do about it anyway unless you just ran away which would be really stupid lol

[sick sentinel]

shockwave into regeneratin'

[warm plinth]

I mean, unless you always play with a bad healer I guess. Then you would have to XD

[sick sentinel]

true combo

[warm plinth]

Is it on the GCD?

[sick sentinel]

yes, sadly

[lusty grotto]

weird

[warm plinth]

I'm working on unlocking ZT right now. Think my horde war is gonna be one.

[lusty grotto]

like most of the other racials aren't

[sick sentinel]

Does anyone have a WA for tracking party interrupt please?

[lusty grotto]

zen tracker

is the one most people use

[undone sun]

i used nogga's

[silent quest]

nah I mostly facetanked, but then dps pulled another pack and got a mech up to +5 bolstering and it all went to shit

[warm plinth]

You're a zen tracker

[sick sentinel]

Is that WA or a standalone?

[lusty grotto]

its a WA with an addon

[undone sun]

https://wago.io/SkjHi61Bz one i used

[silent quest]

then healer left and blamed me because "too many stacks" was the issue 😛

[lusty grotto]

well that looks nice

[warm plinth]

Yeah...I've played with a few healers who let the tank die to reaping stacks. And every time I tell them that they need to dispel on CD. And pretty much every time they say "but it just comes right back" smh

[lusty grotto]

shrug i dispel at 15 stacks

then on cd

on chipadin

never been a problem

my healers usually do the same

[warm plinth]

Yeah it's not like it's a challenging situation. Literally press a button when it's available. GG

And then those healers are always shocked when the tank dies. Like it was literally your fault lol

[lusty grotto]

yup

[sick sentinel]

Thanks @undone sun

[undone sun]

👍

[inland mesa]

anyone have a link to the AP needed for neck levels 51 and beyond?

[sick sentinel]

@undone sun so the interrupt spell only shows up if they use it for the first time?

[lusty grotto]

it tracks their interrupt cds

is that not what you wanted?

im thinking you wanted something along the lines of who interrupted what

[sick sentinel]

@lusty grotto Hey mate - yeah its perfect. It just doesn't show the spell when going into the dugeon - It only shows up if the player uses his/her interrupt for the first time

[lusty grotto]

ohh

yeah you might need an extra addon for that

LibGroupInSpecT perhaps

[sick sentinel]

Mmmm ok thanks 😃

[warm plinth]

It probably doesn't know what interrupts are present until they use it. I don't have one of those so not quite sure how they work

[lusty grotto]

so the problem is that the WA won't know what they have until they use it, unless its forced to inspect the other player, but i could be wrong

[astral crystal]

anyone know why some people run idol on mythic uunat?

[lusty grotto]

which is why Zen Tracker for example forces you to download LibGroupInSpecT

[strong forum]

best fucking ML 20 in my life

[lusty grotto]

(which was included in details but removed due to classic rework)

[strong forum]

80 deaths

we died 17 times alone to get Bob buff

no BRs

[lusty grotto]

flawless run? haha

[strong forum]

because besides me with engi

it was so fucking funny

most fun i had in a long time

just going FULL INT

mage randomly getting oneshot by bolsterd mech jokey because of grease gun

or by addled thug

FULL PEPEGA

[lusty grotto]

@sick sentinel download LibGroupInSpecT imo

and see if it works

ill give you a link

its on both on Curse and WoWinterface

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/libgroupinspect

[sick sentinel]

Thanks mate

[lusty grotto]

hopefully it works 👍

[sick sentinel]

Still doesnt work

[warm plinth]

I imagine the WA would have to be set up to call the information.

[sand egret]

Alternate-take: I like that it only shows it after they use it. Then it becomes glaringly obvious when ThatRogueGuy's name ain't there until the last pack.....

[oblique garnet]

@astral crystal Apparently mythic uunat hurts 🤷

[sick sentinel]

lmao

did you get to tank him?

[oblique garnet]

Nah our guild doesnt progress cos but atticus asked why people run idol on uunat @sick sentinel

[sick sentinel]

oh

ofc it's to kill your friends

[shut summit]

wasnt that bad, only sketch parts are when MC in last phase / tanking multiple adds, boss himself is chill

[oblique garnet]

Did you ran with multiple paladins to have bop for those overlaps @shut summit ?

[shut summit]

only 1

i never got bopped

[oblique garnet]

Huh

[shut summit]

ye we just used whatever, guardian druid / 1 pal / 6 melee

fukit

[oblique garnet]

I mean i guess nobody really cares for cos so they get w/e comp xD

[sick sentinel]

question

if you get boped

since the adds are fixiated on you

they stay on you right?

[shut summit]

as long as you have the fixate debuff, ye

[sick sentinel]

that sounds rrl strong

we have been (almost) clearing in a day and we have 2 raid days free

and we want to attempt crucible

for the past 3 weeks

attendance boss is hard though

[astral crystal]

Gonna start uwunat this Sunday

[sick sentinel]

also our priest "can't play disc"

(he got bullied into quitting the guild lmao)

[oblique garnet]

Kazzak people are toxic😪

[sick sentinel]

there are 2 specific guys in the guild

that made our resto shaman quit

and our holy priest quit

in the span of a month

I mean

he was bad

[neon tangle]

I finally got m mekka down last night

That was fun

I knew it was gonna be the kill cause I got 3 bombs on me, one during lust

[warm plinth]

Congrats

[junior ivy]

hi

[undone sun]

hi

[sick sentinel]

hello

[junior ivy]

i went to my sisters graduation today and the girl sitting infront of me had a baby bunny in a box

and was playing with it the entire time

it made my day

maybe my week

[undone sun]

😄

[sick sentinel]

that's

super cute

[junior ivy]

she let me take a pic

[sick sentinel]

awwwwwww

[lusty grotto]

delicious

with some rice

[junior ivy]

stop

[terse arch]

Hey all a bit new here to prot warrior

[lusty grotto]

might need it to be adult though

[terse arch]

Any recommendation on guides?

[lusty grotto]

icy veins

[junior ivy]

thyme will tell you everything you need to know

[terse arch]

And does racial matters?

[junior ivy]

yes, be a gnome

[lusty grotto]

not really

[junior ivy]

sorry

[lusty grotto]

unless if you're alliance and want to push high lvl keys

horde racials generally don't matter

[terse arch]

@lusty grotto which race would you choose?

[lusty grotto]

not my place to say

go with what you feel looks better

[junior ivy]

are you horde or alliance

raelar

[lusty grotto]

#268491842637660160 has everything you need, in the protection section

[terse arch]

Cool will look into it @lusty grotto

Planning to switch to alliance

[sick sentinel]

gnot a gnelf

[terse arch]

Since in my server the ratio is messedup

[sick sentinel]

gnot a gnoblin

[lusty grotto]

alliance NE, Dwarf, Dark Iron

[warm plinth]

You should be a Kul Tiran

👍

[lusty grotto]

if planning on pushing high keys

[terse arch]

@warm plinth big dad bod human

[warm plinth]

Fuck yeah

You can do the super dad mog

[terse arch]

@lusty grotto any specific reason why NE?