There's a guide in #268491842637660160
#protection
chrome pike
Hey guys quick question about Mastery, Does the increased block chance update the chance to block when looking at current target block%?
distant crystal
like does your character sheet change based on what you have targetted? pretty sure that's a no
chrome pike
I'm trying t figure out if i need more mastery or less for M+ but have no idea how to tell when i reach whatever cap I'm looking for
warm plinth
There's no cap to look for, so...
distant crystal
there's no caps just get the biggest ilvl gear you can
and when you're comparing same ilvl look for haste/crit > vers/mast
but they're all pretty close
chrome pike
Thought I wanted to get mastery until i reached 42.5% chance to block
distant crystal
no
you should be blocking almost everything anyhow with SB
mastery is just for crit blocks and filling the gaps
warm plinth
Check out the bottom pin @chrome pike
distant crystal
haste reduces the gaps tho
warm plinth
You're still going to choose the highest item level piece regardless of what stats.
I'm not really sure how you got that from the pin 🤔 It literally says that the soft cap isn't a thing.
chrome pike
Is there any stat cap I should be look for then or literally just take best ilvl gear?
warm plinth
Best ilevel. If two pieces are the same ilevel, you can worry about which stats to take.
chrome pike
right and then prio is just haste or crit
chrome pike
okay, thanks for helping out
warm plinth
Sure thing
umbral forge
Did nimchip quit wow again
warm plinth
Nah, I can still ping him
umbral forge
Ping him for me please, I can't.
warm plinth
@lusty grotto the Nightborne guy wants you
chrome pike
Do I still go for ilvl on rings too?
warm plinth
You can give up like 5 ilevels on rings for better stats. Probably not worth it overall to sacrifice more than that. Can also sacrifice 5-10 ilevels on rings for a socket
umbral forge
i have news.
Vulpera hype caravan dug into the codes wowhead posted so I have a theory about the Vulpera.
I consider them essentially confirmed now.
When they're playable i will make my warrior a Vulpera. Just for you.
@kaege
chrome pike
so i have the 400ilvl crit/haste with socket vs a 415 haste/vers with socket
warm plinth
Definitely the 415
chrome pike
regardless of the 140 loss of both haste and crit?
warm plinth
Correct
chrome pike
then the last thing is a 410 ritual bandage vs a 400 rezans
but trinkets dont have stam so i think rezans is still better?
open gazelle
So for weapon enchant I’m going with the vers one, is this a better option bc I only have 4% vers atm or is haste just the go to one? I already have rezans eye, overwhelming power, and eng goggle haste proc as well, do I need another haste proc with weapon enchant or is vers good?
lusty grotto
wat happen @umbral forge
you people typing my name with lower case n
@lusty grotto
shit
it works with lower case n
🤔 wonder why you couldn't find me
mortal brook
@lusty grotto
lusty grotto
👋
umbral forge
Essentially I think I know why there's so much code suggesting Vulpera as a playable race over any other candidate.
mortal brook
👋
mortal brook
to spread out the furry population, hopefully
lusty grotto
because haste is a better stat
mortal brook
cuz anger management stronk
lusty grotto
IP is not your main means of damage reduction
youre buffing the wrong thing
shield block is your main DR tool
haste makes the cd shorter
umbral forge
Ok so everyone knows 8.1 was in tandem production with 8.0 right? They always do that. It's why Legion had PTRs 24/7.
lusty grotto
and is stronger dps-wise
open gazelle
only to a minimum of 11 sec and my other haste procs usually keep me there
lusty grotto
just to be clear jettom, are you high right now?
lusty grotto
ok are you drunk?
lusty grotto
only to a minimum of 11 seconds? where are you getting this @open gazelle
open gazelle
shield block can only be reduced to 11 sec, ive had 80% haste with procs before and its 11 sec cd on shield block
lusty grotto
so feelcraft?
if you think you can maintain 80% haste
then by all means
go whatever stat you want
open gazelle
im just saying 11 sec is like the minumum cd you can get to on it
open gazelle
no
lusty grotto
ok
so any other haste procs aren't worthless
and even if you thought it was
versa is not the way to go
well, versa might be good in raids
but crit is the other candidate for M+
the number of things you will DR with versa in M+ settings are so minimal, that it's hardly worth in comparison
as well as interruptable or reflectable
weary socket
But only if you go for dps
lusty grotto
no
are you aware crit gives you parry
its not only for dps
if you parry reaping hits, you parry dot applications, if you parry certain hits in high keys, you prevent bleeds, etc etc etc, and lastly if you parry you take 0 damage
warm plinth
Besides, haste doesn't just reduce SB cooldown.
lusty grotto
^
open gazelle
so like in any sitaution if u can have crit or haste before vers choose crit/haste?
weary socket
Yea but if you struggle with magic dmg in some dungeons?
lusty grotto
it increases deep wound ticks
so more dps
you shouldn't be struggling iwht magic dmg in any dungeon except for 2 very specific bosses
which are in ML
if you are, it's due to your group failing to interrupt
open gazelle
so like haste/crit are always better than vers?
oblique garnet
Haste also shortens your other abilities cd not just shield block
lusty grotto
Jettom are you writing the Odyssey there?
lmao
i feel like this will be a wall of text
umbral forge
We all know we were supposed to get Zandalari in 8.0
Ion also said they swapped Zandalari with the Mag'har so the Zandalari and KT would come out at the same time.
What if he lied and the actual plan was 8.1 to be Kul'Tirans and Vulpera? Then they decided to move zandalari and Kul Tirans both to 8.1.5, meaning another race had to take the zandalari spot in 8.0?
Obviously putting the vulpera there would feel a bit weird. So they moved the Mag'har instead.
And the Mag'har were originally planned for an 8.2.5 or 8.3.5 release, perhaps to bolster Saurfang's rebel forces? Or recruited by Sylvanas to help her fight off Saurfang.
Upon deciding to push the Vulpera to an 8.2 or 8.3 release instead, Blizzard opted to remove their codes from the gamefiles, but forgot tidbits a few areas, hence we got stuff like the Vulpera brewfest icon and now lately this article, where the vulpera are clearly next to the Kul Tirans in code? < https://www.wowhead.com/news=292270/vulpera-allied-race-hints-race-condition-for-in-game-cutscenes>
It answers why there's soo much vulpera datamining as opposed to other potential AR's and it makes me excited to play as one. So, I will make my Warrior a Vulpera when they are available. !hype.
warm plinth
Oh dear jesus
lusty grotto
lmao holy shit
umbral forge
umbral forge
I like wow
lusty grotto
not sure if it matters lol
umbral forge
inland mesa
vulperra allied race for pandas
lusty grotto
wow conspiracy theories!
open gazelle
also does parry have a deminishing returns?
umbral forge
@lusty grotto do you like my theory?
weary socket
Is Leach, avoidence and socket worth to drop 5-10 ilvl?
warm plinth
You can drop a little for a socket on a ring. But no to both leech and avoidance.
oblique garnet
@weary socket no
Leech and avoidance are not worth
Sockets are not worth dropping ilvl in pieces like shield and 1 hand
lusty grotto
for leech
lol
i gotta be honest jettom
its not that i dont like it
its just that i don't really care about vulperas lol
lusty grotto
all secondaries and anything gained by them are subject to diminishing returns, but the point to get there is absurdly high @open gazelle
i cant its almost 1 AM i got work tomorrow
maybe tomorrow night
lusty grotto
i died like a champ
exotic spoke
yeah you right
orchid token
I thought that said "nim ruin a 9 freehold for me"
And i was like
damn dude knows nim well
lusty grotto
you didn't see the MVP hookshot grappling hook on my ship though Riki
siren grabbed me
threw me
orchid token
Rofl gottem 👌 👌 😂 😂
lusty grotto
grapple hook?
exotic spoke
i think
modern brook
u fuck
lusty grotto
botw2 me wants
modern brook
::(
lusty grotto
tomorrow bull tomorrow
exotic spoke
night guys
warm plinth
Night
distant crystal
i just wasted a drum
to debunk @open gazelle
we need to steal the !hastecap trigger from the spriest discord
!hastecap
warm plinth
lol
warm plinth
Someone said that you couldn't get Shield Block CD lower than 11 seconds earlier.
distant crystal
for a brief moment i thought they might be right, cause with OP proced and max fray stacks i hit 11 seconds
then i hit drums :p
oblique garnet
You can get to 11 seconds without procs
lime lodge
is Reckless Flurry a worthwhile trait for ST still?
like better than Bastion+Treacherous?
oblique garnet
No it is not better
ionic fern
For general info - You can sim different combinations of traits for DPS @lime lodge with raidbots.
Just remember to set Treacherous uptime to something realistic instead of 100%.
lime lodge
kk ty
oblique garnet
90% is pretty realistic
lime lodge
why is vial of animated blood used so much when it (seems to) sim so badly?
ionic fern
People can't choose what trinkets they get loot wise..hence you use what ever you have.
Out of curiosity..why do you think it's used so much?
I rarely see anyone actually using it.:D
lime lodge
just looking at top 100 logs for heroic and mythic
I think you're right its just available and easily farmed
rapid wren
is engineering worth it instead of herb/alch
spice ferry
Helm is decent, and you can get an early, high ilvl azerite piece in the new tier
Presuming you raid ofc
autumn pendant
BS will be nice new patch too 🤷
rapid wren
yeah i raid weekly and spam m+ the rest of the week
spice ferry
What’s bs making in 8.2?
If you prog quickly through heroic and get a couple mythic down, you can likely get a helm before many others will via crafting. This also then means you can trade one if it drops for you to your guild if you don’t need it/others can get more use out of it etc
spice ferry
What ilvl?
autumn pendant
Dont really remember
spice ferry
If it’s mythic bass and sockets I’ll probably pick it back up
Will look into it thanks 😉
oblique garnet
Its 5 item levels less than mythic base but with a socket
rapid wren
think bs will be best prof for us then?
autumn pendant
@spice ferry what Late said
oblique garnet
I dont know if it will be one of the best professions but it definitely wont make it worse
willow scarab
BS + alch probably the best moving forward
I wish I wouldn't lose 10+ years of recipes changing professions, I want to craft items but it's such a big loss
Enchanting/engineering has so much niche collectible stuff
oblique garnet
They changed that @willow scarab whenever you change professions and switch back you can relearn all the recipes
Theres an item from the vendor that you buy for like 1k gold or smth and it allows you to relearn all the recipes
willow scarab
I know that applies to current profession skills
sick sentinel
Don't take off engineering
willow scarab
I don’t think I can buy the item and relearn VAnilla enchants or being maxed in every tier of engineering
willow scarab
I know, I used it for ages
sick sentinel
Also do not unlearn recipes that are unobtainable
willow scarab
But I want to be able to change to fill slots with other stuff from different professions depending on what drops for me
That’s my exact concern
crystal dirge
Hey lads, I have tanked my first 20+ key, a +21 ToS. We had two hiccups during, one was a reaping wave pulled with 3 incubator mobs, the other was two nimbuses and a stormcaller mob right after Merektha. Do you think those were not good pulls this week or on that difficulty? The previous one I died, even though block was up, shield wall as well at the latter parts of the pull, and was reflecting for lower reap soul dmg. 2nd hiccup pretty much everyone went low.
ionic fern
Nope,not bad pulls
willow scarab
We changed our route so we could shroud the entire nimbus/stormcaller path between 2nd/3rd bosses this week because they suck
ionic fern
Probably just personal mistakes.
willow scarab
The incubator pull is a good pull though
tranquil sand
Hello. Can i post a log here to ask for help?
tranquil sand
sorry im blind
crystal dirge
Thanks guys!
tranquil sand
Say, does spell reflecting on high Bwonsamdi stacks in p2 reduce the damage from deathly withering?
ionic fern
Yes.
tranquil sand
How is never surrender vs bolster and devastator vs booming voice atm? for Rasta-mekka
polar bluff
What are the best trinkets for m+?
ionic fern
Bolster is the default go-to in general for all purposes. Devastator is good for pure st dps but for rasta/mekka i'd take BV since it is only slightly behind ST dps wise but pulls ahead in rage gen and aoe dps.
@polar bluff there's not a single answer to that question. People usually run a mix of Rezans/Gore/Diamond
Other options include R.a.g.e/animated blood/everchill etc.
polar bluff
Okay thanks
novel temple
@willow scarab Just make another warrior @sick sentinel
novel temple
Because you’re a discord channel treasure @sick sentinel
lime mantle
@lime mantle
sick sentinel
danie is not funny when you do it
lime mantle
I wanted to feel important too like @sick sentinel
novel temple
You’re important too @lime mantle everyone is important
lime mantle
b8 for my clever joke
novel temple
Yesssss
lime mantle
Any way to track when you overlap LS and SB by the by?
sick sentinel
@umbral forge
made a weak aura
for vic
I tried to tag vic but he is gone :((
that was like
"you overlapped SB and LS you fucking retard"
or something
lime mantle
I have it
agile spruce
Guys is it worth swapping out the engi helm to get 3 bastion? I'll loose a clap so ill only have 1. Atm got 2 claps 2 bastions
novel temple
I just use last stand and shield block together 🥴
lime mantle
It’s the “DONT OVERLAP REEE YOU SUBHUMAN LS IS UP END YOUR LIFE REEEEEEEE” AKAK best aura ever.
lime mantle
@agile spruce bastion is more m+ damage than extra DC
lime mantle
I just rolled the dungeon one with BoM and tc first try.
Get good.
Same with shoulders.
lime mantle
Because I am half reading this and half doing cryptography so I read TC as DC
sick sentinel
imagine using more than one DC btw
Is it bad I have no IFs
no thanks
@sick sentinel depends
lime mantle
Imagine not using 3DC 3 BOM
agile spruce
ah so 3 bastions and 1 clap is more dps? but loosing the engi helm kinda sucks
lime mantle
It’s like you want your dps to not be humiliated on aoe
sick sentinel
@lime mantle please
I am really passionate about this
That's what I'm using
3 DC
so shut up because you are going to lose this convo
just
go
and spec off your DCs and keep just one
lime mantle
Yes, bastion also is good for survival. Pop bastion and check your block/cblock @agile spruce
sick sentinel
Well it's either 3 DCs or bonded with IP traits
hold up and listen
@sick sentinel okay then that's fair, keep your DCs I guess
agile spruce
thanks guys! 😃
lime mantle
@sick sentinel I switch between IF and 3rd DC the other options are worse than DC on my gear (generic dps iirc and/or bloodsports).
sick sentinel
if you can have IF/BfI/CR/BBI/SS/MS
get it over second or third DC
@agile spruce if you can get a helm with both bom+something else that is really good, then you can switch but if else keep your eng helm
while the gismo trait might do a bit less dps than BoM it does good enough dps to keep it
you can still make your dps look bad with it
agile spruce
The other helm I'd use has CR on it so it would be bastion + CR instead of the engi helm
sick sentinel
do you have DC somewhere else on your gear?
agile spruce
Ye I got 1 on my chest
sick sentinel
whats the alternative to that?
agile spruce
IF
sick sentinel
I would rather use IF on chest, eng helm with DC and gismo
you are not comparing just the items one by one
you are comparing the whole set
look at the bigger picture
sick sentinel
if you could link me a random top gear sim to see what you have in your bags ( in dms) I could help you a bit more if you want to
and also explain my line of thinking at the same time
agile spruce
Will do!
opaque shuttle
Hey guys, i have the helm from Jadefire, is it risky to use it in mm+ with treacherous covenant ?
sick sentinel
I was literally just advising the guy above you to use it 👀
answer is always the same
opaque shuttle
Oh sry didn't read ^^
sick sentinel
depends
(no it was in dms)
@opaque shuttle it depends on a lot of factors and it's a question you have to answer yourself
it is good? hell yeah it's very good
the real question is "can you pull it off?"
Is 23k Dps good on freehold
when I only have 1 BoM
having only 1 bom is a problem
Can't do anything about it
and 23k is not a lot for freehold tbh
esp the week
made my char 3 weeks ago
Hopefully I get jadefire this week
head*
and shield
from champions
well I mean it was only a 13
so mobs died a little fast so less nuking
quiet crane
3 bom is where it’s at friend
opaque shuttle
@sick sentinel Well , i know that this helm is very good but i got an other help which has IF and BfI and tbh i'm new to prot and i don't know what's the best 😢
quiet crane
Should be able to attain them fairly easy but just through the raid
For mplus 3 bom and at least 1 dc the rest is more or less preference
For raiding defensively BFI and IF is real good and blood sport
Offensive it’s just the same as mplus
sick sentinel
IF is really really good
quiet crane
^
quiet crane
Fat 👏
sick sentinel
Bfl is... What? 🤔
cobalt trellis
Brace for impact
quiet crane
^
sick sentinel
Right
quiet crane
Increase block and dmg from shield slam and stacks if I remember correctly
sick sentinel
And.. For raid ed do not stack azerite, rather more different ones, right?
cobalt trellis
also individual stacks are not refreshed
some stack, some dont, check out icy-veins prot warr guide
quiet crane
For raid it’s fine to stack IF and BFI and even BS defensive or for progression if you arnt well versed in warrior but they won’t make or break you
The big one however is making sure you have one DC
polar bluff
should i stack mastery or vers or crit?
quiet crane
Ilvl
polar bluff
so if i have 415 ring with crit+mast i should use that insead 405 with haste+mast?
quiet crane
If comparing same Ilvl then for damage haste>crit survival haste>mastery=verse
Yes use the 415
polar bluff
ah okay
and inner ring traits. should i go for something like heed my call or a defensive one?
quiet crane
That’s entirely on you me personally HMC
polar bluff
okay cool thanks 😄
exotic plover
Any recomendations for wa or addons?
ionic fern
There's also WA's in the #ui-addons-manager . Just check the first pin there. @exotic plover
fickle edge
Anyone have mythic plus tank guides or something to just help me get better in general
primal sable
There arent any afaik
Learn what the bosses do
Learn what is blockable and reflectable
sick sentinel
There is
sick sentinel
resources is probably not updated
timid jay
That guide had some meme worthy statements at least
sweet kettle
pure meme
timid jay
Think that's the reason it wasn't pinned or in resources
sick sentinel
What was meme worthy
timid jay
Didn't read too much into it but I know his statements about crit blocking was a big thonk
sick sentinel
I haven't read anything that is super out of place nor anything
timid jay
That's the reason there's a pin about crit blocking and the value of it
sick sentinel
Well that is one thing out of many other useful things
and that's just theorycrafting stats in general which for most classes is pretty eh
oblique garnet
some of the traits in there are also pretty monkaS
timid jay
I just know people were memeing the guide real hard when it was released
oblique garnet
block cap
sick sentinel
I like to see them make their own guide that big with that many actually useful statements. The only thing I see wrong is just the stat portion
the actual tanking
and knowing how to play
is very detailed for both raiding and M+
Tells you in depth every mob, boss and other things also
What you can use spell reflect on
how to use it for maximum benefit
etc
all there
ionic fern
Block section is confusing/wrong. Traits/stats section as well. In general it does what it's supposed to do but since Lepan isn't really that deep into warrior he mixes some things up which ended up confusing a lot of people.
quiet crane
That guides interesting to say the least
ionic fern
Stating to stack mastery and talking about block caps is just bad.
exotic plover
Can you block spells?
ionic fern
🤔
sick sentinel
you can't block spells
you can block abilities
it's different
^
that brain fart
you can reflect spells
ionic fern
@exotic plover check the #268491842637660160 Protection section there's a blockable/reflectable sheet there .
oblique garnet
its fine you can block spells if youre paladin
lime mantle
No Paladin SB ;-;
primal sable
Block memes aside, a guide detailing every dungeon boss ability and how to deal with it would be cool
stoic pilot
Here’s a question for you guys
If you have a raider having an off night is it acceptable
I.E. not frequently but just one night messing up a lot more than usual
ionic fern
Ofc it's acceptable
willow scarab
Does anyone alawys play 100%?
stoic pilot
Okay so I shouldn’t feel as bad
I went absolute mongoloid on blockade last night for some unknown reason
willow scarab
Imo how you respond is more of a commentary on your own cognition
stoic pilot
I just chalked it up to having an off night but I apologized for my frequent mistakes but I still kinda felt bad.
Some pulls I just entirely forgot to soak ire’s or miscounted lol
willow scarab
Maybe stretch next time? Eat better through the day? Have a coffee? Take a break before raid? Have a warmup M+ before raid? Sleep more?
Could be anything
Healthy body = healthy mind = healthy raid performance
For me at least
stoic pilot
Probably a good idea
I was frustrated because an hour into raid my internet shut off and I had to use phone hotspot for the entirety of raid
Stress could probably of contributed
ebon hound
That could definitely contribute to stress and overthinking which would lead to bad play, gotta accept the mistakes you made, do a hard reset and keep the strong mental.
stoic pilot
I’ll keep that in mind for tonight. Appreciate the positive advice friends
sick sentinel
You could do all of that, or you can take the easy route
Just put the blame on everyone but you
It's their fault for not adjusting after all
livid totem
@ionic fern what traits would you have suggested instead of Lepan's ?
3x bom 1x DC is already a pretty good start afaik, isn't it ?
exotic spoke
Yes
final mist
You’ll generally want BfI, IF, etc, for the last two spots.
exotic spoke
It’s the propagation of “soft cap” and stat priorities imo which is the issue
final mist
Whatever you have access to.
exotic spoke
But yes, that too
final mist
Also, that.
livid totem
didn't he state "offensively" ?
final mist
Soft and hard caps don’t exist; or rather, they do, but they’re unreachable and theoretical, so they don’t exist in practice.
livid totem
IF doesn't give you much compared to TC does it ?
final mist
His mastery caps are meant in defensive nature, since they deal with blocking, and they’re flat out wrong.
livid totem
I know about the cap % no worries
I'm just talking about the traits he's using "offensively"
exotic spoke
It gives you survivability. In a progression raid setting you want defensive over offensive traits
livid totem
which imo isn't really worth of "big yikes"
exotic spoke
It’s the combination of all of those. But yeah - why go offensive when you’re just starting?
livid totem
"Best offensive azerite setup for dungeon"
mortal brook
unreachable and theoretical just get 250 mastery for crit block cap, and 200 haste for Tclap global 4head
exotic spoke
You’re also assuming that you’re not going to ever dip in dungeons. Why sacrifice more survivability?
final mist
His azerite setup was never offensive. It takes into account his dumbass mastery reasoning.
That’s what he bases it off.
exotic spoke
Take 3 BoM and 3 DC if you want damage in m+
exotic spoke
I wouldn’t want the damage against me WHEN, not if, I dip because I will get low
final mist
Whether or not he comes to a similar conclusion to us doesn’t matter, because his reasoning is flawed and, because the guide is meant to teach, he’s fundamentally failing in the guide’s purpose.
So people read this, and think, “Wow, this must mean I need XXX% Mastery for everything!” and roll with it.
That’s why we’re all, “Big yikes”, about it
livid totem
Sure.
exotic spoke
Sal, out of curiosity - obviously more block is better - but if we could get to high enough mastery (with BoM) and high enough avatar up time (with essences) is there a line of reasoning that makes sense in stopping at 42.5% block
I disagree with it now because avatar yo time at about 40% is no where near enough
final mist
No. Mastery does more than just Crit Block.
And if you’re going gung-ho on Mastery, that probably means your other stats are lacking, meaning SB uptime suffers.
exotic spoke
Sorry, I mean in terms of not using more things like BFI and IF
exotic spoke
I know. I’m just looking ahead and trying to theorize things is all
I run them in different situations - always have 2 of them in raid and for bad m+ weeks
Just trying to think is all. Too early for that though
final mist
There were times where I never had any and times where I had multiples. They’re just incredibly good defensively.
exotic spoke
Truth
livid totem
I gave up about ppl trying to explain the stats and what they mean (in the past) : they were mostly all talking out of their ass, and in the end it didn't matter because it was mostly insignifiant.
ionic fern
Offensively i'd suggest either 3BoM/3dc or 3BoM/2DC/IF while TC is really good its benefit depends on the group(specifically healer) you're running with while DC/IF bring you benefit regardless. Considering this guide was ment for general public. @livid totem
sick sentinel
Just do yourself a favor and just delete all the information that lepan says in that guide from your brain
His information is about as useful as mr.robot is for finding what's good gear to use
empty inlet
last mason
Why do good players like that put out such trash content
oblique garnet
pretty sure lepan said on stream that he wrote the guide before reaping was properly released
last mason
But I mean even then
When’s the last time a spec had to chase ANY stat breakpoints, esp tanks
I think frost mage had to in legion, but other than that..
lime mantle
I think prot Warrior “sort of wanted but not a lot” 30%+ haste on m+ at some point in early legion
undone sun
not really, it was a meme breakpoint that circulated most classes
no one really stuck to it
warm plinth
It’s still here Thyme!
warm plinth
It won’t go away
lime mantle
As said, I just hazily remember it from having a set called “30% haste m+”
timid jay
30% haste was a thing before HR nerfs iirc
lime mantle
On the other hand my other set was “highest ilvl”
timid jay
was enough to keep SB up for close to 100%
wary gyro
I know mm hunter had certain haste breakpoints in legion
oblique garnet
With the essences 100% blocktime would be really close
lime mantle
Essences are gonna be some bullshit
At least they won’t take VDH out of the dumpster.
At some point he’ll be out and we’ll be afraid, hopefully the last patch before wow shuts down.
neon tangle
@last mason outlaw rogues effectively have a breakpoint in haste
It goes from one of your best stats to your worst at some point
cinder pasture
Well...Now that's done. Running out of things to do until next patch 😂
exotic spoke
Do what you think is fun. Push m+, make gold, farm transmog, pre for next patch by stock piling more AP through other means
willow scarab
@cinder pasture Are you 10000/10000 or 19999/10000?
exotic spoke
19,999 based on his Screenshot
shut summit
Paragon reputation
willow scarab
thank you
warm plinth
Couldn't you just make sure your inventory is full and continue to loot them so they go to your mail?
Or does it prevent you from turning it in if your inventory is full
unborn island
@cinder pasture fancy seeing you here
get inventory full of chests
idk if even possibru
inland mesa
I didn't turn in knifu quest and a few other things so I think I have enough saved to instantly hit 51 if I want patch day
inland mesa
the knife crucible turn in for like 1500
might do islands and try to get the AP missions, complete them and let them sit there too
willow scarab
That’s actually an interesting idea too
sick sentinel
so
I made a big bird
like a really big bird
in atal
(link is in promotion btw)
inland mesa
what WA do you have that says current pull after pull stuff
I guess with reaping going away that's not as helpful
exotic spoke
Guessing, can’t check, but guessing that it calculates current percent of what you’re in combat with right away
sick sentinel
in hindsight
exotic spoke
Takes away guess work / math mid pull to know if you need more %
sick sentinel
I should have told them
to cancel their bladeflurry
and just hit the bird
but I didn't think about it
exotic spoke
Kaege, in your opinion - UR this week
Pulls before 2nd boss. How many mobs per pull. Like 5-6 as long as not double bloodswarmer?
sick sentinel
the same as every week
1 bloodswarmer max on every pull
1 maggot max on every pull
lashers you take 2 max
you can take more than 2 if you have 3 melee dps
exotic spoke
Fill in with the oozes?
sick sentinel
yes
exotic spoke
Run spriest rogue havoc rdruid
exotic spoke
We’re just thinking we can pull bigger this week. And have been chain pulling versus big pulls.
Slightly bigger
sick sentinel
I didn't record the UR we did yday
exotic spoke
Doing a test run in a 19 before we do the 21 we got from tos
sick sentinel
I haven't run with an Spriest ever so I don't know how much damage they do
but it should be alright, the timer is decent for UR
exotic spoke
We’re shrouding between first boss to second boss room I think. Avoiding ticks / the pats
sick sentinel
I like killing that
sap maggot, darkness and kill things
pull maggot into 3 blobs
reaping with 2 lashers
keen stirrup
should I play with Knot of ancient fury 400 with socket or Grong´s primal rage 400? ( first trinket is Rezan´s gleaming eye )
sick sentinel
if you wanna see the run where this clip was from
@keen stirrup you just do not use grong's primal rage because it's hot garbage
keen stirrup
nice, thx
lusty grotto
Kaege don't be pussy, do reaping with 2 bloods warmers
What is this lasher wimp shit
😂
lusty grotto
Yes all bloodswarmers
Watch as your comrades get deleted
Finish the wimpy swarmers + reaping yourself
👌
modern brook
pull the whole roominto the boss
an ideal ull
2x reaping
14x kicks and stuns
bolster boss
👌
lusty grotto
Look at your teammates in the eye and whisper "weaklings" to establish dominance
Oh that's even better bull
lusty grotto
Mind=blown
exotic spoke
Be like AQ40 - C’thun whispering in your ears “your friends will betray you.” “You..... are..... already.... dead”
exotic spoke
Lol
exotic spoke
I am not doing that pull on a 21 or even a 19
However. Get me a ten and I will
Swiftness pot. Run a lap into boss
lusty grotto
Right only on a 25 or higher
sick sentinel
it's not going to work riki
exotic spoke
I know. But it’ll be fun
I don’t expect it to work on a 10.
I expect to die. But it’ll be fun lol
exotic spoke
Maybe in a drunk run I’ll be able to convince them
mortal brook
If you dont look good doin it, if it even worth doing?
exotic spoke
I have dreadnaught. I always look good
mortal brook
Helll yeah
cinder pasture
@sick sentinel Yep, got one chest of each 😛 @unborn island 😎
exotic spoke
@cinder pasture you stock up on island shit too?
cinder pasture
Nah, haven't done that yet...Maybe I should 😛
exotic spoke
It’s quest items 😃
lusty grotto
If I mail you my 3ds can you SR to infinity to get my final 3 shinies in ORAS, since you're even more of a completionist than Ill ever be? @cinder pasture
cinder pasture
I understood maybe 10% of that..So sorry no 😛
lusty grotto
3k SRs for shiny giratina
:, (
Pokemon, I'm talking pokemon
Omega ruby alpha sapphire =ORAS
SR = soft reset
crystal dirge
probably a stupid basic question but 415 socket vial is better than 400 avoidance rezan 's right? and I should go crit for dmg and haste for survavibility? Mainly m+ oriented player
lusty grotto
One basic misunderstanding that I'm seeing lately
Is that crit is not "for damage"
All of our secondaries are both benefitial to dmg and to defensiveness
crystal dirge
parry+dmg, but I mean, if we are talking same stats, haste is better for survavibility than the parry increase from crit no?
wispy plume
Doesn't crit increase in value for both damage and survivability as targets increase
exotic spoke
Parry is inconsistent as damage reduction on single mobs.
However, on large pulls / multiple mobs it averages out due to math / probability and is very nice. This and the fact that it is strong for dps makes it a go to for m+
wispy plume
More targets is more crit damage and more parry
golden dove
Does IF stack?
wispy plume
Lol Riki and I were thinking the same thing
sand egret
yes
lusty grotto
Yes IF stacks
exotic spoke
Yes eninra
golden dove
Ok followup question is it worth stacking?
lusty grotto
Sure
golden dove
The other choice is basically a second clap trait
exotic spoke
Do you need survivability + aoe dmg?
lusty grotto
Depending on content and your other traits
exotic spoke
It’s not a bad choice. But do you need personally
I’ll rephrase
It is always a solid / good option.
golden dove
Just m+, 3 bom, 1dc,2IF is what I use atm
crystal dirge
Okay, thank you guys for the expert answer on the stats, can I still ask if I was right in my logic about the trinkets tho?:p
exotic spoke
It comes down to so you need it? Do you think you need it?
lusty grotto
That's fine eninra
exotic spoke
That’s a good set up.
As to my question - no one can answer that except you and your healers
lusty grotto
You mentioned only two trinkets and said crit @crystal dirge
But yes vial might be better depending on your other option
golden dove
Yeah I feel fine, except now im pushing 17s+ I feel like the only thing really gimping me is magic dmg
golden dove
The new trinket in palace looks like a bandaid for it or am I thinking too much?
crystal dirge
@lusty grotto I asked the crit cause of the socket:p 410 Gorecrusted+leech 400 rezans+avoidance 415 vial+socket
exotic spoke
Haven’t even looked at it yet.
But yeah when it’s heavy magic damage reflect what / when you can. Even if it isn’t reflected its damage reduction
IP / demo shout / SW and hope it does before you do.
Be sure your group is kicking the right things
lusty grotto
I thought it was a 410 rezan
lusty grotto
Yeah vial + block is a good choice
crystal dirge
@lusty grotto that's what I thought too, thanks man!
potent anvil
Is there a specific dungeon/scenario in which you're afraid of magic damage? Because for the most part, it's just interrupts.
oblique garnet
only in ml
modern brook
🤷
oblique garnet
on tyrannical
golden dove
So for the most its bad pugs not interupting
modern brook
oooo thats fair
exotic spoke
Honestly, I think we’ll be better vs magic damage next patch
exotic spoke
Also, RIP, bad pugs are a hazard
golden dove
Or KR
modern brook
U can walk out of that
exotic spoke
Kite those smashed and you can avoid them
sand egret
you can dodge smashes/reflect them
golden dove
Dodge how? I constantly move, dont stand in the swirls but the cast still does a hit on me
sand egret
KR spectral bolt spam is mostly a lock-down problem and well Shadow of Zul...is just an ass
deep smash is a 1 sec cast/5 yard range ability
golden dove
And yeah I guess tyr ML is annoying bit rotating CDs and spamming IP has been fine so far.. and deathskipping the masterminds
oblique garnet
besides if youre doing shrine you only kill one enforcer
Shouldnt be too big of an issue
on fort
sand egret
but reflecting the smash is also the move
golden dove
I mean I didnt die and we still did it, but it was super close and guys are doing like 25s so it just made me wonder
Cause obviously its doable
exotic spoke
Also depends on affixes and comps
golden dove
Im hoping come season 3 guildies will be interested in it again cause pugging feels like a diceroll
sand egret
quite literally the inherent nature of pugs, yeah.
exotic spoke
But yeah - more demo shout up time / more IPs for us next season
modern brook
implying we're getting into pugs next season
sand egret
no bear? no care.
exotic spoke
I mean I won’t get into pugs bull... but I don’t pug lol
sick sentinel
yes
exotic spoke
Rip?
sick sentinel
and we said that we could do 22 instead
oblique garnet
you still should have finished it so you could get 22 keys for the next week
oblique garnet
well that works aswell
exotic spoke
That’s a big ducking bird
prisma oracle
What are some of the best dungeon trinkets we can use? Im stuck with a 365 trinket, while being at 405 ilevel..
wary gyro
At that point literally anything at a decent ilvl
exotic spoke
Like literally anything
final mist
Just farm whatever dungeon you can and try and get something to replace it. Some of the WQ trinkets aren’t “bad”, either.
exotic spoke
Howler, vial, rezan, butchers block, knot, WQ, literally anything
red wedge
Peoples' favorites seem to be Rezans from Atal, Gore-crusted from Waycrest, and Vial from Underrot
exotic spoke
I’d use a sporepod - just not the active - in your case
prisma oracle
yeah, been waiting for a WQ for 11 days now.
Was away this weekend when there was one up.
wispy plume
Shouldn't be too bad just target like 3-4 dungeons and q for any 10 of those few. You will get a trinket
mental scarab
do we have a price on the new azerite gear?
mortal brook
https://www.icy-veins.com/forums/topic/43864-azerite-armor-prices-and-titan-residuum-in-patch-82/ yes, but we don't have tables for TR droprate from weekly chest
mental scarab
mhm
wow if i didnt get the same frekking chest 5 weeks in a row i could have bought a 430 riight away -.-
mortal brook
5 times in a row? D: coulda gotten a targeted at that point
inland mesa
wru Q&A
potent anvil
We can assume that a weekly 10 in s3 will give around 17.2k, if it's following the same formula of roughly 3 weeks to get a random.
47.5 / (1725/625) ~= 17.2k
mortal brook
or it won't scale properly, just like 10s are only giving 420s on ptr =/
potent anvil
Yeah, who knows. 🤷
inland mesa
I thought they fixed ptr for 10s to give 430
and guess there wasn't a Q & A today, feel lied to, but I guess that means patch earliest date would be July 9th then?
fierce urchin
i thought there was a q&a today also?
mortal brook
could still be the 25th, they'd be silly not to line it with Shadowbringers tbh
inland mesa
25th is cutting it close as they would have had to come out today and say hey 2 weeks left season, not just it's ending soon(tm)
I thought shadowbringers did come out the 9th
mortal brook
the 2nd then maybe, lining with full release of SBringers
28th for early access
2nd for live
inland mesa
don't they usually shy away from things before holidays, so releasing right before the 4th would be ballsy
steel mauve
idk if i would really consider 4th of july a major holiday release in comparison to christmas and the like though
mortal brook
plus EU/everywhere else doesn't really care so
steel mauve
ya that too, its a single country holiday
granted canada celebrates the first of july
indigo thorn
Went from a 375 compass to a 420 sporepod trinket. You win some, you lose some. Still an upgrade 🤷
stiff bear
tanked first shrine 20.. holy fuck that was painful xD
potent anvil
Grats 
oblique garnet
What route did you end up using?
exotic spoke
And what comp?
lusty grotto
eh shrine isn't too bad
an interrupt missed is RIP but yeah
also skipping elem, basically forces you to double pull after bridge, and that can get spicy real fast with bolstering
and enforcers fucking hurt no doubt
deep smash ftl
waxen cradle
I am curious has the consensus shifted at all in trait priority for raid towards or away from more dps oriented traits ?
Obvious TC has huge value, but I am talking in terms of stacking BoM x3 as we would do in M+
oblique garnet
In raid scenarios getting 3x TC 2x BoM 1 DC brings overall most offensive value
At this point theres little to no point playing defensively unless youre undergeared and progressing
waxen cradle
Yeah that was mainly the thing I was curious about and that was my assumption but assumptions can lead to well you know
sick sentinel
wait is a 3rd TC> 3rd BoM in raids?
oblique garnet
Yup
sick sentinel
I don't raid as prot so I had no clue
oblique garnet
But not by alot
waxen cradle
Now in M+ MScheming still ranks right up there with TC, TC obviously being great but if you had to choose 1 TC over 2 MScheme I would assume take the TC yeah ?
Guaranteed strength over a proc yeah ?
oblique garnet
If you have a chance to go with 3x BoM 2x MS 1 DC for m+
Id take it in a heartbeat
Over tc
sick sentinel
MS>TC?
waxen cradle
Ok that was something I struggled with a bit also
oblique garnet
But now that it actually has good uptime MS is pretty good
sick sentinel
MS is really good i started using it and i can say its better then 3rd DC
maybe 2x MS is better setup then 2xDC aswel
oblique garnet
It is
sick sentinel
haste is really good it procs alot and as prot warrior you can get it proc really fast
lusty grotto
Ya I def like ms
sick sentinel
i just got my first item with it today tried it its good
lusty grotto
Thanks to deswind for the recommendation after the buff
oblique garnet
Before they fixed it Ms was hardly worth it
exotic spoke
Wait, late - you’d take Ms over more DC for aoe dmg?
Fuck me.
3 BoM, 2ms, 1 dc optimal dps?
oblique garnet
Your overall tc would hit less but you would get more claps so it pulls out ahead in m+
exotic spoke
I’ve been going for 3bom 3 dc recently
oblique garnet
I thought we had discussed about this before 🤔
exotic spoke
Maybe - but I may have missed it / forgotten. We tend to talk while I’m at work
And I get all “Yeah that sounds good” - Ohh shiny object
And forget
lusty grotto
hey riki did you forget you told me i would get invited to your guild and become a main raider, and have all the loots passed to me?
on nimchy
lusty grotto
totally did happen, @oblique garnet you remember right?
exotic spoke
Yeah... I told that to someone’s alt... totally. No of course not.
lusty grotto
one sec
oblique garnet
I dont do politics sorry nim im gonna have to stay out of this
lusty grotto
exotic spoke
Without doctoring the screenshot can you please show what I said “yes” to
lusty grotto
exotic spoke
That happened afterwards
exotic spoke
I’d like both things in one continuous screenshot
THERES A TIME STAMP
oblique garnet
Nim if youre faking screenshots atleast fix the time to be the same
lusty grotto
oh, my pc has its time broken sorry
oblique garnet
Thats scamming 101 smh
exotic spoke
Your statement said after lol
lusty grotto
i decline your false attempts at a logical conclusion, sorry
exotic spoke
I’ll tell you what. You want to transfer to my shitty dead server where we are literally the only real mythic guild at this point you’re more than welcome to
I’ll even let you become a recruit.
I can’t pass loot to you though
I say “real mythic guild” and we’re only 6/9
lusty grotto
silly goose, xrealming is a thing
exotic spoke
You’re not in guild then
lusty grotto
i cant dip into my brontosaur funds 😦
lusty grotto
i only need 3.8 million more man 😢
exotic spoke
There are two people in my guild that have over 50m in gold and assists
Assists
Fuck assets
lusty grotto
ahem, are they looking to become sugar daddies
i.. don't swing that way but...
i'd be willing to make an exception
😉
exotic spoke
I took 3m gold in gambling from one of them
undone sun
hmmm
lusty grotto
back off thyme, they're mine
exotic spoke
Lol
warm plinth
Nimchip would make a really good Nigerian prince if you ask me.
lusty grotto
hey man
exotic spoke
Or French
sick sentinel
@warm plinth I can explain
exotic spoke
French Canadian?
sick sentinel
lusty grotto
now you've crossed a line
sick sentinel
look at this
lusty grotto
ahaha
exotic spoke
That’s a lot of warnings
warm plinth
Nice!
warm plinth
TIL Kaege doesn't perform well under pressure.
warm plinth
I'll be 1k raider.io if I can do a Shrine, KR and ML on my horde toon
I'm like 847 without them. 💪
exotic spoke
I’m going for 2500 this week
warm plinth
This is why people respect what I say (in my imagination). Hardcore 1337 M+ score.
Meanwhile @lusty grotto is only doing 18s so
exotic spoke
I’ve dragged him through one. I think a 15ish TD? Maybe it was lower I dunno
warm plinth
I could use a TD as well. Mine is only +5
My war is still chillin with that 59 score. Nbd
sick sentinel
The one I was not focused in the slightest?
warm plinth
What did you eat afterward?
sick sentinel
I made some spaghetti with minced meat
warm plinth
Not bad, not bad.
sick sentinel
Btw the 3 recordings were after I ate
warm plinth
Maybe you just don't play well on a full stomach
warm plinth
Yeah man, that's that food coma
warm plinth
Sorry to hear that man. I'll wait patiently for more haha. I gotta get back to work. ttyl
sick sentinel
Cya man
oblique garnet
Are we pushing tmrw kaege?
sick sentinel
Exam 2-5
And we have to find out what the fuck happened to yen
Because we have absolutely no clue
sick sentinel
So we finished the atal 22
And she stood still
She logged out
She timed out of voice
Hasn't been online since
Wait no
She said gz to ziggy
Nvm
We good
oblique garnet
Oh man i thought it was time to bust out the resto shaman