you always always
#protection
exotic spoke
When 2400 was big dick numbers
lusty grotto
you mean in wrath
neon tangle
@stark fox It works basically the same as armor
exotic spoke
Ran double arms warrior and rogue for shits and giggles in threes in tbc.
If their healer wasn’t a paladin - we won. Though we were all 2300 players playing at 1800 because we hit a wall of paladin healers
livid totem
@exotic spoke @sand egret about the rogue dead's zone, what about those who knew that trick but couldn't pull it off because either they had poor connexion or because it was the rogue ?
exotic spoke
Not on my cluster.
You needed 2400. Then one season AJ showed 2350 wasn’t enough
lusty grotto
s4?
exotic spoke
Yeah season 4
So we pushed - and dropped to 2250. That’s when glad cutoff was lowest
And we missed it
livid totem
I mean you guys all remember the "teleport-all-over-the-place" rogues right ?
exotic spoke
2300 was the cut off onny server / battle group that season.
Previously it was 2400 ish
exotic spoke
I played against sodapoppin once at some point - maybe wotlk and I played against reckful in rbgs in cata.
Things didn’t end well
lusty grotto
did you have tich on it?
exotic spoke
Maybe? I can’t remember
warm plinth
I used to love watching Sodapoppin just because he was one of the very few people who had the balls to play feral when they weren't that great (and I played feral until MoP)
lusty grotto
bg5
exotic spoke
Ruin, I don’t know which one. But fuck we could have played
lusty grotto
cutoffs didnt inflate until s4
lusty grotto
you couldn't get glad in 2s though
exotic spoke
Yes you could
exotic spoke
That change was made later
lusty grotto
you couldn't
exotic spoke
Yes you could. A double SL / SL lock team got it from playing together
The twos not giving glad was changed later
neon tangle
I played exactly one season in BC
And it was as a resto Druid
And SL/SL lock as a partner
shut summit
def could get glad from 2v2 early on
shut summit
yup
exotic spoke
I stopped and did only RBGs after that. No clue when it was removed
exotic spoke
So that’s why I was higher and didn’t get it.
I was consistently 2350 ish. Too low but 50-100 on 2s.
Then season four I pushed and dropped about 150 rating and if I say I would have had gladiator
Feels bad man
lusty grotto
makes sense, rating cutoffs in 2s should have been higher for sure
iirc 5s cutoffs were like 2k
lusty grotto
there's a shitton of difference between brackets though
exotic spoke
Threes I did was my 2s partner plus rogue. Solid rogue but not the best. But it was good
warm plinth
Season 4 was the last season of BC I think; 2s titles didn't get taken out til Wrath. Also TIL they don't have 5s anymore? I had no idea 😂
Shows how often I do arena
trim bay
yea i hardly do it either.
warm plinth
I got Rival in 2v2 in Season 3 BC and I've probably done less than 50 BGs since then
And even less arenas
exotic spoke
Yeah.
I think 2s titles taken out end of wrath?
I swapped from arenas to RBGs in Cata
Had fun. Until people started Ddosing at high MMR because everyone used Skype and you could get IP addresses from it
Not often - but enough to cause a problem.
Literally a person would disconnect and not be able to do anything until we got out of the match. 5 minutes later they’d be fine
exotic spoke
Either that or WotLK can’t remember
exotic spoke
I’m getting old 😦
warm plinth
5s weren't removed until Legion
lusty grotto
ah
warm plinth
exotic spoke
Very nice find
5s retired start of legion actually.
Season 7 removed gladiator / weapons / shoulders from 2v2s
valid knot
So with the tc nerf + new affix, will prot warr stop begin top dog in m+ next patch?
shut summit
lusty grotto
lmao
lament mantle
410 Rezans/400 Prism/425 Jes howler. Confused as to the better combo for M+
sick sentinel
lmao
lament mantle
Probably the prism/rezans right?
exotic spoke
^^
It’s fucking 15 ilvls overthr nearest competition too
Controversial opinion maybe - prot will be fine if not as good (in a different way) next patch
sick sentinel
riki
it's 25 ilvls over the its competition :))
and prot will be perfectly fine lmao
lament mantle
Roger, sorry for the seemingly dumb question D:
analog zinc
how does Gemhide work with Prot?
i know for monks gemhide proc is calculated before stagger
lusty grotto
just to be clear: you're asking about the conditions in which it procs?
you want to know if it procs on 10% of your hp before any mitigation is done?
if so
yes
it works before blocking or absorbs
im not 100% sure about armor dr though
i could test it out
analog zinc
Okay thanks, so it shouldn't be impossible to proc then
lusty grotto
thats why its rated so high defensively in the icy veins guide
inland mesa
We were talking about perfection, pearlescent, and sphere as the essences to potentially go for. Do they come from easier to get sources since we need to get them in different versions up to epic?
stark fox
Can I check Tricks of the Trade casts with details somehow?
exotic spoke
Kaege fair - I was comparing it to the 410 rezan.
Also - fucking chest of disappointment
@inland mesa I can’t remember but you don’t need to get every rank - you can bypass essence ranks
Also wowhead has all of the current essences and how to get them
junior ivy
hi
spice ferry
👋
sick sentinel
@junior ivy you said hello in group chat and I answered and then you didn't say anything :((((
junior ivy
lol sorry
inland mesa
@exotic spoke really? I can't seem to find how to get them anywhere, just lists of them
exotic spoke
it’s there, raid just started so I can’t but search “wow 8.2 essences” on google and it should be there
bleak trail
I have to fill in and tank mythic rastakhan tonight, will I have an easier time with prot or blood? They are about equally geared
bleak trail
We will be swapping, so prot for the movement?
sick sentinel
Prot if you are swapping
It's gonna be tough on you if you make any mistakes, don't get me wrong
But with proper play you should be needed less healing
Compared to a bdk
bleak trail
Thx. Is there somewhere I could look up this anch totem strat? We haven't had any pulls yet so I'm unfamiliar with mythic outside of the fatboss guide. Don't recall that strat though
sick sentinel
Basically instead of tank swapping from bobsalani to rasta
You get a resto shaman to spec into anch totem
You tank the boss as long as you can
Shaman drops anch totem on you
You die
Accept rez
And taunt
bleak trail
Easy enough
sick sentinel
So you can reset stacks
bleak trail
Would a brewmaster be a better fit for the anch strat over blood or prot?
Can run it by our main tank, he plays brew
sick sentinel
I am pretty sure its paladin>blood>bdk>warrior
For anch totem strat
Don't quote me on that
exotic spoke
BDK is best for it imo. But I could see paladin
sick sentinel
I'm not 100% sure
spice ferry
can't pally last longer
bleak trail
If bdk is viable for it at least I'll go with dk
exotic spoke
Ignoring the healing debuff from bdk
spice ferry
due to whatever their spell is... spellwarding?
exotic spoke
Our bdk got to 90 stacks first time
sick sentinel
I have only seen prot palas and bdks do it
exotic spoke
I wouldn’t want to do it as prot
sick sentinel
^^
spice ferry
can prot spellreflect the heal absorb he casts?
sick sentinel
No, you use spell reflect for the 20% dr during it iirc
spice ferry
ahh yeah fair
sick sentinel
@bleak trail I think there are either vods on twitch about it or maybe videos, I don't have anything to link you rn sadly
Good luck though!
bleak trail
Thanks, apparently we had a change in healers so we're going to have to swap on bosses tonight (no resto shaman), but I'll look it up to maybe try it another week. Thanks for the advice!
potent anvil
🔫
lusty grotto
deswind your rng affecting my alts but not my main 😦
it wasnt even a bonus roll
it was a regular drop
mortal brook
avatar worth holding on to to let it overlap with demo? like 10s?
lusty grotto
i dont
i only hold avatar if a reap is coming
i dont hold it for demo
demo is up fast enough anyway
but honestly i don't see why it would hurt
you could do it
10 seconds isn't that much
orchid token
avatar and demo shout should always be synced anyway
if they aren't you fucked something up, and holding one or the other to re-sync them is worth it in the long run
mortal brook
makin sure. dudes ava uptime pretty low
mortal brook
new raid cotank. dudes jumping between 20% and 33% uptime
mortal brook
shoudl still be around 40% yeah?
warm plinth
Depends on the uptime on the fight I guess
potent anvil
I don't think its worth holding avatar unless it was for a very specific reason in raids. Like high damage phases or incoming adds.
Then again I don't raid tank, but I don't see a reason to hold it tbh. Just pump dps
wispy plume
Tradewinds or Iron Fortress for M+ the other trait is BoM
quiet crane
There isn’t a reason to hold it. Only time you would is on op to pad but only if you ain’t holding it for more then 5-10 sec
Otherwise it’s a straight up loss
I spose if you’re running triple bom it sorta turns into a defensive CD aswll due to mastery on blockables but if you’re running tripple bom it’s not to use itdefensively
distant crystal
is boralus ultra laggy for everybody right now
also @wispy plume i'd go tradewinds
and i'd hold avatar if multisided is about to happen on JFM
sick sentinel
This might be a dummy question but which races are the best ones for prot war if there is any.
spice ferry
Depends what your running
sick sentinel
M+
spice ferry
Nelf is amazing in m+ if you can utilise smeld
sick sentinel
What about horde side
spice ferry
Zanda I think is the best dps wise for horde, though I’m not 100%. But belf brings torrent which while not as good as it was in legion is still useful
oblique garnet
Belf
Its just little bit behind zandalari troll in damage in m+
But all races are barely noticeable so play whatever you think looks the best
sick sentinel
kk tyvm
neat harbor
quiet crane
Tauren by dear boy amaze have big beefy shoulders a second intimidate ability
mortal brook
wear a good mog, its a threat increase. make them WANT to attack you
ionic fern
Can't argue with that logic.
mortal brook
exhibit A
mortal brook
ooo you got? nice
mortal brook
what race
distant crystal
dwarf
ionic fern
Ugh..but why
chilly brook
@mortal brook I just want to avoid your character
mortal brook
D:
undone sun
we all do
mortal brook
@distant crystal concern
undone sun
at least there's a theme
mortal brook
what you mean, i have a theme 🌈
undone sun
i don't know about specifically for jaina, but it's a single target offensive trait, yes
last mason
Just clapped for 53k
mortal brook
shiny
last mason
Really clappin cheeks out here
mortal brook
gettin dummy thicc
oblique garnet
@exotic spoke it doesnt do much on jaina compared to other traits especially now that you are killing the elemental and things like tc give more value
inland mesa
I cant find this pearlescent essence on wowhead o.O
mortal brook
oblique garnet
@inland mesa iirc it was changed to be called memory of lucid dreams
willow scarab
Is there a consensus on which essences are the best from ptr? Any kind of compilation online I can read
mortal brook
keep changing. up till today worldvein resonance was godtier, now its meh
give it time tbh
to live
oblique garnet
@willow scarab i did some testing but havent gotten through all of them so far it seems vision as major into memory as minor and either aegis of the deep or sphere of succession as the other one
inland mesa
Ah the other class specific one
willow scarab
I was thinking vision and aegis were going to be 100% no alternative option
mortal brook
aegis got whack. its like 10 targets to max out now
oblique garnet
It still gives hefty amount of vers
inland mesa
So we have to do nazajatar, and then islands for treasure maps
mortal brook
yah
oblique garnet
But sphere also gives haste and reduces attack speed on epic rank
So its a toss up with them
mortal brook
resonance minor still good at rank 3.
oblique garnet
Memory has good synergy with am + vision
mortal brook
any more than 1 in group and you'll hit the 4 stack cap consistently
200 mainstat per stack solid
inland mesa
And then either unshackled for aegis or rbg for sphere lol
oblique garnet
Honestly the biggest impact comes from vision + memory
mortal brook
is memory rage gen solid enough for consideration?
willow scarab
65 isn't gonna be that hard
i fully expect to be like 55 in the first week
nullification dynamo looked good too
oblique garnet
You need 350k ish ap to get to 55 from 55
Memory rage gen is pretty big
Will result in extra dump onto IP but will make the class play even faster
mortal brook
making it on 2nd week shouldnt be bad if you've stockpiled caches and pop it after the AK once you've hit 54
play so fast you gotta go devastator just to fit in all the gcds 😄
willow scarab
18 caches is basically 51 on reset
- overwhelming odds + emissaries if they have AP + I have 120k AP worth of rabbit charms
That's like 53 without doing anything new, no raiding, no world quests
just from using what's in my bags
mortal brook
you get the darkmoon firewater last faire?
willow scarab
still have some left from years ago
mortal brook
nice
inland mesa
120k of worth or rabbit charms what, oh you mean spam islands
oblique garnet
I mean i have 1k of rabbit charms aswell
inland mesa
Cant you only hold 5
mortal brook
run with a friend. he has stockpiles of rabbits feet, i have oodles of bandaids and lightprisms ^.^ goes fast
oblique garnet
You can mail them to your alts
mortal brook
yeah but BoA so mail to alt
willow scarab
Mail them to yourself and they just sit in mail
inland mesa
Is it that much faster than just slaughtering heroics in like 3 pulls
willow scarab
I would be surprised if people weren't getting close to 60 by the time heroic releases
4 minutes for a mythic, you tell me
sick sentinel
@willow scarab What trinkets do you use
inland mesa
That with all 3 splitting up with charms?
willow scarab
For what
oblique garnet
Heroics is 2-3 minutes but only if you have flashfire brews
mortal brook
or bandaids//prisms
sick sentinel
Mplus
oblique garnet
With 3 people using rabbit charms its 3-4 minutes for mythic
willow scarab
Depends what the key is and also I don't really do m+ anymore it's borign
either 425 rezan + 415 socket block or 415 diamond + 415 idol
inland mesa
What's these battleground achievements for the sphere theres nothing by that title in wowhead
oblique garnet
But yeah considering theres gonna be 3-4 weeks before mythic opens once we can begin ap farm people should be 55-60
mortal brook
should just be 1k and 1.4k for r3
willow scarab
What happened?
inland mesa
I thought they said only 2 weeks between patch and raid
mortal brook
depends too. they may not remove cap until start of s3, so day of heroic opening
willow scarab
it looks like 3 weeks from patch to raid according to wowhead
mortal brook
speculation
oblique garnet
@inland mesa yes 3 weeks after the patch before mythic opens anyways
mortal brook
we'll know more on the QnA thursday
mortal brook
timing it with Shadowbringers would be smart
oblique garnet
2 weeks > heroic opens
undone sun
based on the rumors i hear
oblique garnet
3 weeks mythic opens
undone sun
that's not far off
inland mesa
Shadowbringers comes out when
willow scarab
"As as reminder, Season 3 will start two weeks after Rise of Azshara launch. We do not know when Rise of Azshara is coming and the PTR realms are still in testing and development."
we're wrong
kaege is right
willow scarab
I already knew mythic opened a week later
sick sentinel
2 weeks for hc, 3 weeks dor mythic
sick sentinel
Yes I know you know
distant crystal
i got my first couple 3stacked paragons ready
mortal brook
just hitting exalted again >.< stupid main swap
inland mesa
So sphere epic is rbg 1800?
mortal brook
r3 should be 1.4?
willow scarab
I don't think they'll gate epic behind something as high as 1800
oblique garnet
Rbg 1800 as prot is really easy aswell
inland mesa
It says battleground master
mortal brook
r1 was conq cap. r2 was 1k, i think r3 was 1.4k
sick sentinel
1800 is not high
oblique garnet
Youre just running flags
willow scarab
yes it is
just because all of us can get 1800 doesn't mean it's not hard for your average player
remember that t3 essence is suppose to be accessible, t3 is suppose to be hard
mortal brook
all the better. plenty of shitters in the pool to beat
willow scarab
to lock t3 behind 1.2k and t4 behind rank 1 gladiator is fine
but to lock t3 behind 1800 is not
sick sentinel
Wait its rbgs rating or any raiting
willow scarab
It's not meta for rbg either
sick sentinel
I think 1400 makes a lot more sense
willow scarab
rbg is dh/guardian
mortal brook
baer is 4 fite
willow scarab
1400 is achievable and low, 1500 is where you start your mmr if you've never played arena
old arena scrolls reset to 1500
inland mesa
R1 is Complete achievement "Battleground Initiate" in Season 3 or later.
inland mesa
Then brawler for 2, master for 3
mortal brook
is that just wins then?
willow scarab
I assume it will be "complete X battle grounds in season 3"
inland mesa
Legendary is certain number of wins
willow scarab
I don't really know what achievment they will make though
oblique garnet
Isnt initiate achievement usually like 10 bgs or so
mortal brook
oh, gross. just bashing your face against the bg then =/
willow scarab
I have battlemaster... there's like nothing left to add
There's no room for a "win 1 of each bg" achievment
unless
hear me out
New bg?
mortal brook
what's keystone competitor
oblique garnet
Didnt they announce the new bg?
mortal brook
Ashran epic bg
willow scarab
and the 100 wins achievment is broken into 10/25/50/100 like big meta achievments like mounts
inland mesa
I thought initiate was the 1400 rank then brawler 1600 and master 1800, but I only pvp for early gear and mount
willow scarab
keystone competitor is all 10s in time right?
undone sun
keystone master?
mortal brook
nah that's for r4
willow scarab
combatant / challenger / rival / duelist / gladiator
1400 / 1600 / 1800 / 2100 / 2400
@inland mesa
oblique garnet
I mean
mortal brook
get my 420 ilvl gear =
pale imp
😕
oblique garnet
They changed it on ptr to match the heroic week gear
willow scarab
I hope it’s 420 for 10s and 435 for 15s
oblique garnet
420 is the heroic week gear
mortal brook
but heroic is 430 =/
inland mesa
Its lower so you cant fem m+ week 1 right, you just farm it on off time during mythic week
oblique garnet
+10s on mythic week will be 430
willow scarab
You can’t farm until mythic release yeah
oblique garnet
And cache will be 440
mortal brook
we'll see
oblique garnet
So its 5ilvls less than mythic gear
willow scarab
Last season +6 dropped 385 so your best loot will be 415/speculative 420 from +6 next season
mortal brook
+5 and +6. you overachiever
willow scarab
So.... farm 6s if your gear sucks
I didn’t even do keys until mythic raid was released
inland mesa
I think I only need rings and trinkets at 420 at this point
willow scarab
I only just started playing the game before bod releases
oblique garnet
I did higher keys at the start because the +5 farm was boring
willow scarab
Rings weapon and one trinket are all I have below 420
So I might just farm islands
Sell 10-15 carries for gold, huge early marke t
last mason
That would be nutty
mortal brook
yeee boi
last mason
Is it worth to take safeguard for spit gold
mortal brook
spit gold nerf soon yeah?
oblique garnet
Well its not like the nerf will matter that much considering the dungeon difficulties will skyrocket compared to what it was from s1->s2
willow scarab
and also give me a reason that either of the other 2 options are worth anything
oblique garnet
They are not for kings rest
But assuming you are running with somewhat meta comp you will have multiple classes that can immune it
sick sentinel
I was in a call with weep the other day while I was reading the changes
And she was like
"685% is a big number"
lime mantle
Which one?
I think the ilvl 400 is better because of the socket giving more secondary stats total.
lime blade
I got a 415 Servant Splitter out of my chest and had a 395 Adulation Enforcer so its basically 37 Strength+DMG Effect vs 75 Haste und 52 Vers
How do I know whats better?
prisma oracle
Hey, how does the alchemy trinket fare for prot warriors?
oblique garnet
@lime blade 415
lime blade
alright, I just simmed and it backs that up but wasnt unsure because its only dps
sick sentinel
@lime mantle I'd use the 410
lime mantle
@sick sentinel but why?
sick sentinel
First of all, stamina is not useless
So like, a 410=400+s
In stats
At that point you just choose the stats you like more
And normally, haste crit> haste vers
Buuuuuuut
Avoidance lmao
The cleaves in wcm for example hurt a whole lot less with avoidance
It's not argus
But it helps
sick sentinel
Yes
lime mantle
Thought it was only swirlies and similar aoe
sick sentinel
Cleaves are still aoe
Basically everything that is not single target
Do you play rogue?
Whatever you can mit with an untalented feint
Gets reduced by avoidance
Including the shot from the first boss freehold p2
prisma oracle
thoughts on alchemist trinket?
lime mantle
@sick sentinel I see! Thanks.
oblique garnet
alchemist stone is good until you get better alternatives
spare epoch
got the skyscorcher shoulders from vendor, for m+, would u use Unstable catalyst (sims higher dmg but have to stand still) or brace for impact?
Nerfclap is using Unstable catalyst, but Naowh is using brace for impact with the same piece..
sick sentinel
Brace
spare epoch
i'm at 50.16% block value allready though due to 415 shield and 850 ish mastery, so i'm quite above the soft cap for block
undone sun
don't worry about a block cap
spare epoch
I just ment that unstable catalyst sims higher in terms of raw dmg than brace for impact and the defensive bonus by brace isn't that massive
But I don't know how often u lose value from catalyst due to movement
ionic fern
I wouldn't take any of the "stand still to get benefit" stuff since it's unreliable ..especially in m+ scenarios
oblique garnet
it can proc from charge iirc
so it might be somewhere midway in charge xd
10/10 trait
spare epoch
That does seem unreliable, ill go with brace then, thanks for input
lime mantle
Is this another episode of nerfclap forgets he isn’t a Bdk?
inner bear
Hey Guys, could need your advice once more.. kinda struggling with my rings and (a bit) with my trinkets
Rings: 400 (314 haste, 144 crit) , 405 (Socket, 286 Haste, 181 Mastery) OR 415 Jadefire ring (145 crit, 340 versa) 425 (323 crit, 179 versa)
i don´t want to loose my haste.. but yeah.. 25 gs.. is the stamina and stat summary maybe worth it? =/
lime mantle
@sick sentinel how so? You don’t move so might as well be rewarded for not moving 😹
inner bear
trinkets is kinda the same problem .. got the opulence trinket in 425.. it deals no deeps tho 🤔
sick sentinel
bdk just runs away
inner bear
was using alchi 415 + block or the healing trinket out of CoS most of the time in m+
guess i´ll go with alchi + opulence.. but yeah.. tbh i´m struggling more with the ring question..
lime mantle
@sick sentinel I am bullying BDK “mobility” be silent and leave your logic aside.
Also @inner bear Kaege discusses/explained a similar issue above a few hours ago (I had a 400 ring with socket vs a 410 ring without).
inner bear
oh thanks.. will read it up
ye well.. but haste/crit is not the same as crit/versa.. i know stamina is not useless.. but is the stamine worth my haste..
strong forum
Rage + alc
livid totem
@inner bear just farm until you get a 425 with haste, problem solved. 👍
still aurora
m+ vial/rage? Only doing 15s
inner bear
great idea, thanks
prisma oracle
!guide
little ravine
how are you guys doing for your weekly chests? I reckon I'll get another cloak this week
teal urchin
Hey guys, one question. I see the top warrior tanks on raiderio with 20-26% haste, but I have higher percentage than that. Are they doing it to increase their dps or I should try to increase my critical and mastery and deacrease my haste a little bit?
undone sun
likely just what they ended up with from gearing, i wouldn't really worry about what other peoples stats are considering ilevel is king
lime mantle
@little ravine ring (Warrior) and useless gloves (Paladin)
Didn’t bother with VDH as Still looks bad in 8.2
livid totem
Even if the DPS was kinda good, I'd not play a VDH... They're really not fun to play at all >_<
strong forum
@teal urchin so you have more than 1.8k haste? But people just end up at where they are
I just went with a meme build and socketed and enchanted crit a bit to get 30% parry on default just for fun.
strong forum
Vdh is fine, raid tanked for the 1st time last week and was surprisingly smooth
In m+ its a bit MonkaS but you just gotta get used to it and is fine until 20s
And incredibly fun to play imo
full spruce
Why I play all 6 just to keep things different*
sick sentinel
@prisma oracle #268491842637660160 the icy veins guide
prisma oracle
ty
sick sentinel
VDH is F U N dude
strong forum
Just leveld my 5th tank, guardian, last week will never touch monk though fuck monk
And bdk is just a weekly slave for when I'm ultra bored
full spruce
My alliance warrior (7th tank) finally hit 410. Ready to pug some 3/9s
livid totem
Meh. To each their own eh ? x)
lime mantle
@livid totem if only the DPS was an issue...
DH is fun because it’s simple.
Vdh however needs heavy unfucking of talents, values, etc...
livid totem
I hate the whole vdh gameplay tbh
and especially spirit bomb : you have to wait 1 sec before it hits the ennemies
dunno about you, but for me it's already triggering me
as if the sigils weren't enough, I have to deal with that spirit bomb bs aswell x)
lime mantle
Sigils are the best part tho?
lime mantle
Also spirit bomb has to win the wonkies shit ever created at every incarnation.
Also fuck orbs. Fuck orbs. Fuck orbs. FUCK ORBS.
Learn to time them.
livid totem
Why bother when all the others tanks has instant AoE ?
I'm glad you like it though. we need more tank either way
lime mantle
Sigils are for sick utility lmao. Except fire.
Also I’ve playing tank since vanilla because fuck hard jobs I want low effort and great praise.
(Denote I didn’t really understand what it was until someone slapped me on wotlk)
prisma oracle
is our goal to keep up "Ignore Pain" as often as possible, or only in tough situations?
willow scarab
Tanking is harder than dps???
distant crystal
keep up shield block as much as possible when you're getting punched
@late wasp in raid, tank is the easiest role imo
willow scarab
Who's fumanchu
willow scarab
Tanking well during prog and serving out good damage*
Holding a boss and not dying with good gear is easy
but so is dpsing a 50 parse
tanking is like dpsing but with also having to do tank stuff
distant crystal
and also not having any of the dps mechanics to worry about, typically
willow scarab
You think so?
In what fight in BoD is it less work to be a melee dps than it is to be a tank
willow scarab
I would argue that swapping to an add, interrupting a few times and using an extra action button is as hard as staying alive + juggling tank debuffs
If it's harder it's marginal and there are 8 other bosses
strong forum
Dpsing is easier than tanking, especially in dungeons
However parsing good as dps way more competitive
distant crystal
well in dungeons it's not even close
strong forum
Obv
willow scarab
Healer is pretty important in keys
DPS is braindead and so it's extra annoying when a dps has a big ego
distant crystal
healing's only hard when the dps and/or tank are inting
and you gotta save them from themselves
or if it's crazy affixes
willow scarab
DPS do marginally more dps than a prot warrior in a key
without any of the additional responsibilities
distant crystal
hard disagree
autumn pendant
🤷
willow scarab
Off topic
We're talking about raid still
Tanking is like DPS on harder difficulty
DPS is like tank without the brainpower
autumn pendant
Raiding isnt really hard for individuals but for team as whole to coordinate
distant crystal
tank dps in raids is almost irrelevant
whole sedge
What in gods name am I reading
autumn pendant
distant crystal
not sure what you mean by cutting edge raiding
unless you literally just mean killing the end boss on mythic
neon tangle
Isn't that true of all your dps anyways?
it matters more when you're doing progression, especially early on when ilvls are low
lime mantle
@willow scarab those are things tanks do now.
Back ways when tanking was:
Put shield
Taunt when RL says
Try to keep aggro if a dps pulls he should install omen.
Dungeon content is and has always been non content.
willow scarab
Cutting edge as in getting CE in respectable time / before big nerfs
I tanked back then too
I had 540 defence rating don't worry
Tanking is easier now than in the past but it's harder than dpsing no queston
lime mantle
Tanking was way easier before lel.
Most fights didn’t have any relevant tank mechanics only hard thing was tanking aoe groups.
ionic fern
Tanking is easy ..most guilds don't require the tank to do anything other than taunt and everyone's happy. If you try to do more than just be a taunt bot then it'll get harder.
lime mantle
Tanking was seen as hard because outside of a group your character is (literally) useless compared to a dps with gear.
Same applies to heals.
Basically what Mwahi said, most people where happy with you being a def capped tankbot
willow scarab
So you guys didn't use death's verdict + deathbringers in ICC? You didn't use thok tail + talisman in SoO? You didn't use scabbard in BRF?
When did you guys finally start doing tank dps
distant crystal
lol
ionic fern
Mate,last time i tanked before Legion was in Vanilla.
distant crystal
we get it you pump and you're proud about it
willow scarab
I'm not trying to suck my own dick
I'm saying that tanking is harder than dps
And you're adamant that dps is somehow hard
neon tangle
@willow scarab idk if I'd say that tanking is harder than dpsing, there's a lot of dimensions there
distant crystal
i don't think any role is really that hard i just don't think tanking in raids is the hardest
ionic fern
It legit comes down to what you expect from yourself...most tanks are happy just taunting as i said and everyone else in the grp is happy with it as well.
willow scarab
even 7 years ago the meta was to have your prot warrrior solo tank and then top the dps for the raid
neon tangle
e.g. dps generally have more mechanics to deal with and a more complex rotation
ionic fern
If you expect more from yourself then obv it's going to be harder.
willow scarab
Tank meta has been to do DPS for almost a decade
ionic fern
You think that but it's not the case in like 90percent of the players.
neon tangle
tanks have a relatively higher level of responsibility as far as pathing and pace setting goes
willow scarab
Sometimes I forget my anecdotal experience doesn't apply to everyone
And there are tanks who are happy to 3 tank M champs once a week
and then log off
distant crystal
kek
willow scarab
Comparing what I do / think tanks should do to what joe bloe with 402 ilvl and a heroic progging guild doesn't make sense
strong forum
Thing is, it's easy to do good enough as tank
strong forum
But to play a tank well is completely different story
willow scarab
battle shamans more valuable thank tank dps
rest of healers i think you're wrong
do your 50k hpally opener then that's done for your dps
distant crystal
i mean battle shaman is the most glaring example
willow scarab
dps phase 1
ionic fern
In raids being a tank is easy as hell tho..🤷 in m+ it's another story tho.
distant crystal
but your disc priests that are just dpsing and chillaxing for 2/3 of the fight
neon tangle
also FWIW I never saw someone mention tank dps all the way thru cata
neon tangle
like, the only time was "wow you lost to the tank"
lime mantle
The thing is, specially on the period I spoke about as long the group didn’t wipe nobody would look at the meters and go like “dude wtf this tank hits like a wet noodle!”, unlike a dps.
willow scarab
How are you gonna do fights in cata like chimaeron with a tank doing 4k dps who could do 8k dps
enrage hits and you don't get a prog kill as early as you could
strong forum
Raiding is easy enough to get through it without min maxing
ionic fern
Jep
lime mantle
@willow scarab clearly dps did bad damage :)
-Average bad player reaction to enrage
distant crystal
on prog having the tank do mechanics and live is paramount
neon tangle
@willow scarab I mean I don't disagree, but I never saw someone even look at it... even on prog guilds
strong forum
However, you know a tank is good when he can deal good damage and still survive
willow scarab
If you're in a good guld where your dps are performing at sim or close to it
The question of how to beat enrage then lays on healer and tank dps
distant crystal
but most tanks are designed where if you're not doing like 80% of your max dps you're probably not doing your mit right anyhow
willow scarab
I don't think that's true either
willow scarab
I'm currently low grey logging on M uunat but i'm rank 1 world for healing
and I'm the same player who gets 99s for damage
distant crystal
i mean, i'm not talking about 80% of your max add padding parselord dps
i mean 80% of your max dps on the thing you're tanking
lime mantle
@willow scarab “if you are in a GOOD” vs “AVERAGE”
strong forum
Well you don't grey log even if you don't pad, he's just 100%focusing on defensive play
willow scarab
no revenges unless procs
shield slam/clap on CD and i'm 421ilvl
It's not as simple as "play properly" for 80% log imo
distant crystal
yeah i mean fights vary wildly
willow scarab
dps azerite and trinkets is gonna throw you up like 30-40% on your parse
little ravine
you'd need dps trinkets surely to log
neon tangle
@willow scarab I guess main thing I'd say is that anecdotally speaking I've seen more of a focus on tank dps over the years, it was certainly night and day going from cata to the expectations in BfA
willow scarab
It's been this way for half the games life if not longer though
strong forum
My guild has 0 expectations on tank dps and always say nobody cares about your logs :pepehands: even though I'm rank 1 prot on my server :pepehands: many booly
willow scarab
It's really weird getting in these discussions though because like I don't know who played which xpacs
and which tanks did solo tank bosses
etc
neon tangle
I played from vanilla -> cata, then off until BfA
willow scarab
Are you on a dead server though Nom?
distant crystal
i mean i was a catweaving bear tank in cata
strong forum
No im on ravencrest
distant crystal
i get tank dps
strong forum
Biggest alliance server
willow scarab
In WoD I was doing literally 2x the 2nd warrior's dps on the server
but it was also a dead server
willow scarab
I think i'm on like 900 or something
someone said 920 to me this morning
I've been letting the other tank log and focussing on uunat so it's been a while since i looked
strong forum
Well my average is 94.1 so far, with jaina being a 76
So if I can get a good jaina log im at like 97 overall or smth
neon tangle
but I didn't raid "seriously" in cata or wrath, and in BC people didn't seem to care
willow scarab
average 96.9 perf 98.9, 920 points
you motivated me to look
I got rank 7 on jaina and it was a 97%
on my second kill
strong forum
Oof..
willow scarab
I don't think people cared in BC @neon tangle that i'll agree to
strong forum
Yeah im not getting a good jaina log then
distant crystal
kinda hard to get good jaina log anymore with killing the ele eh?
strong forum
Ye
neon tangle
That's not 100% tho, I did care
neon tangle
I did a shitload of dps in 5man as a bear tank
dumbest rotation ever, just press literally everything on CD
people said I sounded like a helicopter on vent because I'd just sit there punching 123123123123123123123123123123123123123123
lime mantle
Thrash the trash.
neon tangle
anyhow, for my semi-casual guilds in cata/wotlk there wasn't any thought to tank dps
neon tangle
and anecdotally speaking I cared about playing well, but never really saw it mentioned
unborn island
@strong forum another ravencrester!!!
unborn island
<- hasn't even killed normal Jaina, and runs keys only in Pugs ;)
I had good parses in legion?
strong forum
Oof... That's an ultra yikes
late imp
Some 1 see nerf to thunderclap ?
undone sun
recent?
strong forum
Also @unborn island i haven't killed a single boss on normal bod on any char so we got smth im common
lime mantle
I am also ravencrest now.
I should get a group to push but I am lazy.
inland trail
What are currently the best trinkets for mythic raiding? I currently have the Lingering Sporepods in 425 and the Crucible Trinket in 395.
pallid axle
I prefer to score high 90-95% logs on the 1-3 weeks of a new tier. just cause doing good dmg while rekilling/farming bosses means nothing 😄 doing good dmg on the firstkill actually helps with the progress 😄
sick sentinel
drowsy veldt
So how hard this nerf going to effect us am I going to no longer be on of the top dps in my dungeons lol
sick sentinel
I doubt it'll change anything
only a 15% overall nerf to dps
and we get a lot more avatar uptime also
livid totem
why not make multiple alts so youc an be sure to be the top dps ? x)
drowsy veldt
I have 5 over 405 lol
sweet summit
Is it 15% without the essence?
sweet summit
O nice
sick sentinel
and we'll be the top damage mitigation
tank
because of that essence also
3 BoM
sweet summit
And bom procs with every avatar off of essence?
modern sedge
does anyone have a good pawn string for prot
sweet summit
Just sim i guess
sick sentinel
so yes
drowsy veldt
/simc
sick sentinel
it should
sweet summit
Awsome
drowsy veldt
Ok that’s good news
oblique garnet
im not sure if they changed that one
drowsy veldt
Bad enough I prob have to switch my dps to arms 😤
oblique garnet
that bom wouldnt proc from the procs you get from essences
sick sentinel
It should proc
oblique garnet
it should but i remember there was some talks about it being changed
sick sentinel
If they did
That would actually be the worst decision ever lmao
We would be fucked
sweet summit
Guess we just have to wait and see 🤷
tawny plover
Iron Fortress or Bloodsport? 🤔
tawny plover
I was right then 😄
sick sentinel
How good isdadalea's wing
exotic spoke
??
sick sentinel
dadalea's wing
exotic spoke
I have no clue what that is off hand
tawny plover
it's a World Quest Trinket iirc
tawny plover
it's either a small shield that procs on damage or a larger shield that procs on damage taken
exotic spoke
Yeah. Looks like garbage
tawny plover
yeah, either are garbo
well, at 425 you can equip it on both slots to be able to trade trinkets to your pals, that's all the use there is to it.
and to boost your ilvl while sitting in your bags.
exotic spoke
@lusty grotto you get that link I sent you last night?
rancid cedar
guys people telling me that i'm super squishy as prot
what possibly i'm doing wrong?
oblique garnet
not using shield block
exotic spoke
What’s your Ilvl?
rancid cedar
381
exotic spoke
What content are you doing?
rancid cedar
mithic plus
exotic spoke
Like what level of m+?
rancid cedar
7-8 atm
final mist
exotic spoke
Sal beat me to it.
Spec?
exotic spoke
Or just link character rq?
rancid cedar
rq?
exotic spoke
Really quickly
Basically - the point I’m getting at, is that without more information / logs we can’t tell you what’s wrong
You could be under geared. You could use the wrong talents, traits, gear. You could be playing wrong. It could be something else entirely.
Help us help you
But if you can provide your armory link we can tick some of those items off and say what isn’t wrong potentially
willow scarab
Maybe we should add a guide on how to request help in the pins
Name:
Server:
Item Level:
Content you are doing:
Issue:
Log link:
Raiderio:
Armory:
Warcraftlogs:
etc
exotic spoke
Like I get that how I did it could come off as an asshole. But I don’t know what else to say
willow scarab
Hit us up with as much info as you can chief
willow scarab
Name? Server? You're doing +8 keys and feeling squishy at 381 ilvl, yes? Let's make this work
rancid cedar
Sickparanoid - Nemesis
I mean, either I'm really squishy, or the healer were really bad and blamed me
exotic spoke
America’s servers right?
rancid cedar
EU
rancid cedar
yep
willow scarab
The helm and chest azerite choices are good, so you haven't gone wrong there
Could you post an in-game picture of your character equip screen and tell us which trinkets you have
exotic spoke
Rezan is a good prot option at least
willow scarab
I would actually use the fury trinket instead
crit = parry
355 is pretty low compared
If you're feeing squishy I think you need to have a look at the wowhead and/or icyveins guide and then see how that lines up with your playstyle
The biggest help for us is logs
rancid cedar
can i put logs of mithic plus?
willow scarab
You can my friend, you can log anything current
exotic spoke
Yup, talent wise
willow scarab
I prefer stormbolt but that's situational
exotic spoke
Without logs hard to say.
Be liberal with your CD usage. Last stand should be part of your active mitigation 3 SB into last stand
You can take stormbolt. That’s fine.
willow scarab
You never want to be sitting on 2 charges of shield block
exotic spoke
I’d take safeguard over crackling thunder too personally
But those are personal preferences
willow scarab
The lines that matter the most and cannot be changed: Level 15, Level 45, Level 60, Level 90, Level 100
rancid cedar
im sure i always keep active shield block
and ignore pain
maybe i should use more last stand
willow scarab
You use last stand to plug the holes where you don't have shield block available
Because of the bolster talent
Rather than a reactionary spell, you basically use it as shield block
exotic spoke
Side note - I missed this weeks affixes
willow scarab
fort skittish bolstering
lusty grotto
yeah i got it riki
exotic spoke
Sorry, I meant “I missed these affixes compared to other weeks bullshit”
But skittish will be more annoying next patch
Enjoy and bask in the shittiness of my Ui
exotic spoke
No biggie. I have a shitty ui.
Just upgraded my pc from potato to good so I figured I stream Incase people (mainly guildmembers) want to watch from a tank perspective. We have a ranged dps that usually steams, healer, now me
exotic spoke
Had a bad night in raid. Lots of fuckery and fun instead of progression.
But some times you need those
exotic spoke
But yeah - potato pc to non enables it. It’s funny because streaming already made me self conscious about some things I do and should change
1660 TI
exotic spoke
OBS
lusty grotto
just about the same thing hehe
exotic spoke
I set it up on our break mid raid last night. So I’ll have to check some things out and tweak
lusty grotto
try streamlabs its kinda easier
OBS is good though
i used it until about a few weeks ago
livid totem
lol @exotic spoke and @willow scarab you guys realize the talent won't help him feel stronger if it may be a rotation problem right ? x)
willow scarab
Yes @livid totem we both understand that but you want to help cover all of the bases
livid totem
stormbolt, safeguard, rumbling Earth ? We don't really care, he got the core talents, isn't that enough ?
willow scarab
Feel free to tag him and offer further help above what we did if you can add anything constructive
livid totem
We just need log
lusty grotto
yeah they told him that
lusty grotto
but he didn't provide a lot of info either way, not a lot can be gathered from "people say im too squishy"
that can mean a lot of things
exotic spoke
Raizou you’re right. I said he had the right talents - but I just preferred safeguard.
livid totem
no I was too quick to judge, didn't see the rest of the chat.
modern brook
wow @willow scarab thanks for shitting on dh w/o me :^(
lusty grotto
i missed the safeguard thing
exotic spoke
All good man
lusty grotto
but yeah safeguard shouldn't be part of the problem hehe
livid totem
bought a rx 570 just a few days ago 😂
exotic spoke
Spent about 1k on a brand new comp
willow scarab
It's okay I'll make it up to you @modern brook
exotic spoke
Mine?
livid totem
yep
lusty grotto
ehh
exotic spoke
Have the links from new egg. Was the first comp I built
modern brook
😍
lusty grotto
so i built a 2600 pc a few months ago
livid totem
care to share ? In private if ya want ❤
lusty grotto
do you have any issues with WoW stuttering raizou?
this was for a friend and he says it stutters
livid totem
I don't have a 2600
lusty grotto
ah ok
livid totem
I bought a ryzen 3 1300 first
willow scarab
anyone else still using a gtx 760
livid totem
wanted to wait a lil more before the prices drop
willow scarab
no? just me?
lusty grotto
im still on my i5 6600k hehe
exotic spoke
No Ryzen
lusty grotto
1070ti though
exotic spoke
Funeiyo I was until last Friday lol
livid totem
well I had a 2010 comp too :p
lusty grotto
that's usually what i try to go to
livid totem
phenom 2 x4 960 BE
modern brook
xd imagine buying things in 2010
willow scarab
The trick was to run everything off an SSD and not run much ever
lusty grotto
if they last and i dont have to upgrade significant stuff
modern brook
I'm probably going to upgrade my whole rig soon
livid totem
well @lusty grotto you're good to go with that 1070 card alone