protection

[mortal brook]

alun'za getting buffed by 500% is some pretty solid balancing too ^^

[spice ferry]

Yeh just dial it up to maximum ezpz #balance

[mortal brook]

'the boss that kills itself it too ez!' 'do what you gotta'

the 420 from 10s on ptr is still up as well -.-

[oblique garnet]

It will do around 50k damage per tick still nothing special

[mortal brook]

esp with everyone having 30 more ilvl, np

[spice ferry]

thats presuming they dont do a m+ rescale again though

presumably m0s are gunna drop what... 400 ilvl gear in s3?

[lusty grotto]

@chilly brook we actually use str food

i haven't eaten haste food since s1

sausages all the way

fuck that sounded wrong

[chilly brook]

wait why did you tag me

I didn't ask

[distant crystal]

in b4 rogues hop in the canon and pop adrenaline rush

[oblique garnet]

Doesnt work they have 5 shots

[distant crystal]

i mean they have 100 energy and each shot costs 20 :p

but adrenaline rush surely won't increase cannon energy

[oblique garnet]

Will only just change how fast you will start shooting nothing else changes from the dungeon

[distant crystal]

it's gonna be scary trying to pull all of that stuff at once for the tank

i don't think you can do the "skip everything and go back and pull to the cannon" strat

[warm plinth]

Nothing a player does impacts the cannon that I'm aware of, does it? Even getting hit hurts the player and not the cannon.

[distant crystal]

with double rogues and all that

misdirect/tricks is the only thing i can think of

[crude summit]

with the changes to thunder claps dmg, do you feel prot will fall out of favor at higher keys?

[warm plinth]

No, with the uptime we're expecting (pending further changes ofc) on Avatar, I think we'll still be very strong.

[distant crystal]

i feel like the mega avatar dmg isn't really as necessary without reaping

but it'll really depends on how buff other tanks get

warr is still the king of blockable dmg

and it'll still be on the high end if not the highest for dmg dealt

[oblique garnet]

Its the fact that we take the least amount of damage which leads to needing less healer attention that will not let us be dethroned

[distant crystal]

prot pally might give a run for its money tho

[lusty grotto]

oh that was @warm plinth

[oblique garnet]

Guardian will maybe do higher aoe damage

[lusty grotto]

sorry @chilly brook

[oblique garnet]

Not paladins

[distant crystal]

nim out here disturbing the peace

[spice ferry]

wouldn't you also just rotate through all other canons rather than just using the first for everything?

[distant crystal]

there's only 2

[crude summit]

idk i feel sheild block and ignore is better then sheild of the rightous

[spice ferry]

technically there is 3, but point still stands

[distant crystal]

well there's only 2 within range of the "pull everything" strat

[oblique garnet]

@spice ferry you will use the first cannon to kill the first 2 adds + the ones that reaching the 2nd cannon and then use the 2nd to kill the ones to 3rd boss

[distant crystal]

unless you're gonna kite through the mage room

[spice ferry]

could you skip the ones before 3rd boss with shroud?

or do those have truesight?

[oblique garnet]

You can

[spice ferry]

and then use 3rd cannon

for them

[distant crystal]

one sees invis but you can sap it

and shroud

[lusty grotto]

you can imprison it

you can also blind/hitbox it

[distant crystal]

or just sap it :p

[lusty grotto]

or yeah hookshot+sap

[oblique garnet]

You just need to work around it a bit and wait the adds to be grouped and then shoot with the cannon

[distant crystal]

but the mdi strats where they double sap and skip tons early

[oblique garnet]

Make every shot count kind of deal

[spice ferry]

yeah really not a big change tbh

[distant crystal]

and then just pull giga packs to the cannon

[oblique garnet]

Mdi strat wont probably work

[distant crystal]

is prob dead

[oblique garnet]

Thats mostly dead due to the emissaries

[distant crystal]

could maybe do some tricks pulling where your 2 rogues pull things so that everything funnels at the same time

[oblique garnet]

If theres enchanted one at the cannon youre gone with that strategy

[spice ferry]

more affected by s3 affix than cannon changes anyway

[oblique garnet]

^

[distant crystal]

oh true

[spice ferry]

no reap

no need to shoot a million cannon balls

[distant crystal]

i mean the big broken thing was just being able to kill a bajillion trash count with cannons

on fort weeks

2 chesting 24s

[oblique garnet]

Only thing it will really change is that you wont be able to 2 chest like 25+

[distant crystal]

i think it needed a nerf tho

they might just need to do some more adjusting to make the trash more doable on high fort weeks

lookin at you salt blast

[oblique garnet]

The trash is not exactly hard

[distant crystal]

well it's more timing but i hate that salt blast pack

so many things to kick

[oblique garnet]

Inb4 the cc immune emissary with the salt blast guys

This kills the man

[distant crystal]

change the pvp essence to give us mass spell reflect

[last mason]

420 vial or 415 jes

M+

Or both for galaxy brain

[oblique garnet]

Vial

[last mason]

Yea figured, more dmg

[oblique garnet]

Ideally i wouldnt use either

And technically jes is more damage but 2 min cd

[last mason]

Why wouldn’t you use either?

[oblique garnet]

Vial is essentially only ”great” for first 6 seconds or so

So 2-3 claps maybe 4 with lust

[last mason]

What would you take instead? Just stay procs or defensivesv

?*

I’ve been running the vial and a 410 eye

[oblique garnet]

What trinkets do you have

[last mason]

Only real defensive I have is idol, then a 400 block, 390 syringe

Along with the ones I mentioned already

[oblique garnet]

410 rezan + vial is still the best combo out of your trinkets

[last mason]

Yea makes sense

Does idol have any niche use

I like the heal despite myself knowing it’s not great

[oblique garnet]

Its pretty big heal but i havent found many good uses for it

And its useless on this week for example because only times youre really low health is basically when youre high on necrotic stacks and running away from everything so you cant really heal anyways

Its only ”good use” comes from when youre taking surprising spike damage but that rarely happens on a warrior so i dont really know in what situation you could use it, maybe kings rest 🤷

Or motherlode i guess

[analog zinc]

First time tanking mythic grong on the prot war
My offtank was shit, at one point I took 3 stacks of the bleed & the throw & still lived by being pumped with heals.
Another point I got double smashed & lived, the 2nd smash only did 250k & I didnt have shield wall up or anything

[mortal brook]

nice

[oblique garnet]

@chilly brook If they intend to keep players from gearing up through m+ what do you think of this

[spice ferry]

That from ptr?

[little marsh]

well that emmisary makes sense, current emmisarys are 400 (normal difficulty), so 8.2 emmisaries should be normal difficulty too

plain m+ are supposed to drop 400, farmeable gear in nazjatar can be upgraded to 430. 415 as emmisaries is normal stuff, every raid tier is a 30ilvl jump so..

[oblique garnet]

@sand egret No you cannot mc the enchanted emissaries for your own benefit

[chilly brook]

@oblique garnet I don’t even think emissaries are useful for the most part

[oblique garnet]

thats not the point

[chilly brook]

Half the time when you’re trying to gear it’s not even worth doing until later and even then it’s 50/50 on if it’s even going to be an ilvl upgrade

[oblique garnet]

it makes no sense that at 420 ilvl you are getting 415 rewards from emissaries if +10 gives 420 gear

[chilly brook]

I mean it makes no sense that emissaries are basically not worth doing at all past a certain ilvl and rep other than just a measly amount of gold or AP

[oblique garnet]

Your previous point was that gear should be earned, if you can just get raid lvl gear from doing world quests how is that any different?

[chilly brook]

I don’t really agree with it either

And I didn’t say that I did

Idk why you’re asking me the question to begin with my stance is the same on world quests as it is for m+

[sick sentinel]

I went to sleep

And woke up

And you're still talking about gear

What is this

[oblique garnet]

@sick sentinel i went to ptr and there was some rediculous stuff so if the +10 gear changes go through and theres no added gear from +15 m+ is not even worth doing for most people given that by doing wqs etc you can upgrade gear to 430

[livid totem]

I think M+ isn't popular, which is why they're trying to attract the casual ppl with emissaries gear ?

[sick sentinel]

That's just fucking stupid

[livid totem]

Won't be the first thing blizz is doing stupid things.

[sick sentinel]

fuck

Please

Don't suck

I can't quit the game now

[livid totem]

I'm more concerned about classic than this gear sh.t

[sick sentinel]

I made 2 friends buy bfa

[undone sun]

yikes

[sick sentinel]

I can't tell them I'm quitting

[undone sun]

nah, the friends that got me into the game did that

[sick sentinel]

@undone sun one of them is weep, she bought eu wow

[little marsh]

if they just increased ap on m+ so they were worth as AP farming content too...

[undone sun]

bought the game and a month for me in MoP, quit WoD prepatch

[livid totem]

Lol, I'm in the same boat : except he used to be a hardcore player with only 1 class and one spec

but what can I do ?

Blizzard might be geniuses though, especially if they succeed to make the player switch to classic even though everything in this game is thousand times slower.

[oblique garnet]

They purposefully make s3 affix be a pain in the ass and then classic comes people raid log and play classic and when classic hits content draught inevitably they release s4 with giga fun affix so people will play it for a while and then they do something new for classic

It just makes sense from a business standpoint

[livid totem]

I truly doubt classic will be THAT successful

[oblique garnet]

It will for few months

[livid totem]

Few months ? oO

I give it a few weeks top

how is that different from Sc1 / war 3 remastered version ?

[oblique garnet]

Ngl i was on the same boat but after playing it for a while its honestly most fun ive had in wow for a while

[livid totem]

what's Ngl btw ?

[sick sentinel]

Not gonna lie

[livid totem]

Oh. Thanks.

[sick sentinel]

The difference between those remasters and classic

Is that classic's appeal is the community

And it's an amazing game

[livid totem]

That's exactly what my sc1 die hard fan said

sc1's friends*

[mortal brook]

KSL stronger than its been in a while, tbh

adding brackets helped a lot

not high pop by any means but still a decent community

[sick sentinel]

@livid totem play classic and come say it again

[mortal brook]

literally playing classic to troll anyways 😄

[livid totem]

Oh I will.

no worries

[mortal brook]

i like my retail loot pinatas. 2 pieces of loot for a 40 man raid where one piece is for a class not in your faction? nty

[lime mantle]

Tbh if you play classic and you spend your time doing anything but making other people not have fun you are playing wrong

[mortal brook]

naming my character ShandrisKiter. going to be kiting Shandris to org. all gearing and things related will be to better kite shandris to org

will continue until ban

then back to retail 😄

for the moonfare

they tethered her post-cata. made me sad

[wise heart]

Is using last stand at 100% hp, just for the block a bad habit? Asking for m+ mainly

[mortal brook]

treating it as part of shield block uptime rotation is perfectly acceptable. that's what the talent's all about

[lime mantle]

@mortal brook perfection

[wise heart]

I see, thanks!

Also curious - is it worth holding demo shout for boss abilities like last boss td explosive burst when theres not much damage otherwise?

[sick sentinel]

Just use it

On cd

[mortal brook]

part of the rotation!

if you figure you can fit another into the fight, its worth using earlier. if not, sure hold onto it

[wise heart]

Yeah, thats what ive been doing pretty much, but I feel like i've progressed high enough that id need to do some min maxing (starting to do 20s) and stuff that didnt hurt in 16s are hurt ing now 😄

[mortal brook]

nice work

[sick sentinel]

Thing is

With DC and AM

You hold a really good uptime on it

If you press it on CD

[wise heart]

thats true

Thanks for the help!

[trim bay]

@sick sentinel do you run your rezan and gore for high keys as well?

Or do you swap out

[sick sentinel]

I run rezan's+goreblock both at 400+s

for high, non necrotic shrines and motherlodes I go 415+s diamond

and for lower than 20 keys I go 385+s syringe over rezans

[unborn island]

is Syringe that good?

[sick sentinel]

36% uptime

[trim bay]

Interesting. What's your thoughts on idol? And I assume you don't use jez because of the 2 min CD?

Also thanks for the Info

[sick sentinel]

idol is 1 min

and I got it at 410 like this week

so never had the opportunity to try it

[rapid wren]

is using 2 on use trinkets bad?

i have 400 knot, 400 jes howler and 385 prism

[sick sentinel]

using 2 on use trinkets is not bad

as long as they are both 1,5 m trinkets

using a 1m trinket such as knot+ another on-use trinket is bad

if you wanna roll double on-use then you should use vial+RAGE (mekka trinket)

[rapid wren]

its more that this is all i have rn

lol

[trim bay]

I have a 425 howler 410 rez, 410 idol, 400 diamond, 400 block I just don't know when to switch from offensive to defensive

[sick sentinel]

@rapid wren use knot+prism

[trim bay]

If I do a 15 I use idol and diamond just to make sure I'm doing all I can to survive and take the dmg loss

[sick sentinel]

and try to get more trinkets 😛

@trim bay use jes' and rezans

[rapid wren]

haha im workin on it! ty kaege much apopreciated

[sick sentinel]

both offence and defense

[trim bay]

And macro jes with every second avatar?

Well second ish

[sick sentinel]

don't macro it

get a weak aura that reminds you to press it

[trim bay]

Yea I starting macroing it because I would forget. But I'll check out a weak aura now for it.

[sick sentinel]

the thing with macros

[trim bay]

I would be very interested to see what you think of idol when you use it

[sick sentinel]

is that avatar is on GCD

so using a trinket on the same button

means you lose 1 sec of uptime

you lose 1 GCD of clappage

[trim bay]

Yea that actually makes alot of sense. Do you pop avatar demo then an on use trink?

Like in that order

[sick sentinel]

yes

actually no

avatar-clap-demoshout-(use trinket and)clap

[trim bay]

Aight. That's easy enough to fix.

[sick sentinel]

also I will probs not use idol

you use idol when you dont trust in healer

I trust ❤

[livid totem]

aren't on use trink off GCD ?

[trim bay]

I pug for the most part so I pray

[sick sentinel]

idol is good for pugging

the hunter of my push group

when he plays his prot warr alt

can't pug without idol

[trim bay]

Hahaha

Yea I find it really handy.

Saved me more then I would like to think about

[sick sentinel]

exactly

idol is the friend that takes you home when you're drunk

[trim bay]

But I just worry I'm sacrificing another trinket just because of health. But the end goal is to survive I guess

[quiet crane]

Pug literally is a mini lay on hands

[trim bay]

Haha

[quiet crane]

Best part is you can proc it off adds to not just team mates

[trim bay]

And has their way with you when your passed out

Filthy idol

[quiet crane]

That’s right. Survival first once you’ve got that down pact then focus on dmg

[trim bay]

Yea. That's why I was using diamond as well

[sick sentinel]

99% of the time

just by not wiping

you will time the key

[quiet crane]

Diamond isn’t to shabby either

[sick sentinel]

so focus on that

[quiet crane]

Reduces slot of dmg overall but idol is still far superior defensively

[trim bay]

Yea. This week was slow due to people not knowing mechanics and the boss fights going longer

[sick sentinel]

also

[quiet crane]

The only one I seeem to see pugs struggle on in tyrannical keys is adderis + aspix

[sick sentinel]

70k damage

every min

is noot bad

[quiet crane]

^ that to

No one knows wtf to do with arc dash

And it just obliterates everyone

[trim bay]

You should have seen the sots I did earlier today

Last boss was rip

[quiet crane]

Wow? The last

[trim bay]

Yea. Second boss was almost perfect

I had high hopes

[quiet crane]

Usually I see pugs struggle with either stormsong or the brother sister boss

Crikey

[trim bay]

Then check mate lol

[quiet crane]

How do you even wipe on the voz

[trim bay]

Someone screwed the interior

Interupt

[quiet crane]

I’m pretty sure I’ve NEVER been in or seen him cause a wipe

[trim bay]

Killed the healer

[quiet crane]

Lmao

Rip

[trim bay]

Yea lol

My only other question is what do you consider a step up in key difficulty

Like when should I use idol over jes

16ish? Or legit not till 20

[quiet crane]

20 I’d say personally

[trim bay]

Well I need jot worry then

Not

Lol

[quiet crane]

Up until a 20-23ish you can pretty much dps your way through with a solid group and your own self play

There’s just to many factors that go into it though really so if you’re struggling with the content you do now take idol

If not run jes but it won’t matter at your lvl

[ionic fern]

What ever you are comfortable with. A trinket won't save you at that key level regardless.

[sick sentinel]

playing better is what will save you

[ionic fern]

^

[quiet crane]

Btw has anyone tested eternal

The new raid on ptr

[trim bay]

Sweet as. Thanks for the info guys. Really appreciate it

[quiet crane]

No stress

[sick sentinel]

come here with any questions you have (and don't be afraid to tag me as well)

[quiet crane]

Need someone to let me know if it’s magical dmg focused like I previously heard

[trim bay]

Cheers guys \

[chilly brook]

@livid totem here’s the thing with classic and why it won’t be only fun for a few weeks, and it comes down to two things that a lot of employers will do to keep workers engaged and happy.

1. cultivate meaningful work: when classic gets down to business a lot of the stuff you’re doing is work, however that doesn’t mean it can’t be fun. In a lot of cases work can be fun and classic accomplishes this by keeping the player engaged in pretty much all aspects of the game, the gameplay is simple but everything is dangerous and most of it requires you to pay attention. On top of that because everything is dangerous and it takes real effort to get anywhere instead of being on autopilot it feels more meaningful and rewarding.
2. cultivate meaningful relationships: because everything in classic actually is dangerous that means you’re encouraged to group, because tagging isn’t shared you’re encouraged to group, because there is no cross realm you’re encouraged to be nice to save face for your rep, because there is content that is actually designed to only be able to be completed with a group you’re encouraged to be grouped, see where I’m going with this? Classic at its core is a deeply social game and that’s a huge aspect of what makes the classic experience something that people desire. And because of how much you actually have to group to get anywhere in the game it will be successful on that merit alone, mmorpgs are meant to be deeply social and without a good community they will slowly bleed players, something that a lot of individuals have quit current WoW over not being able to find a group to play with etc.

[orchid sand]

Well put

Its true you dont behave. You dont progress

lol

[ionic fern]

And classic will bleed players as well since people will jump in there with unrealistic expectations/nostalgia. 🤷

[mortal brook]

masses of twitch viewer bandwagoners

that havent' actually experienced the thrills of failing to herb an herb

[ionic fern]

I'm 100% sure i will play Classic but i know that after the nostalgia is over i will go back to live for the QoL changes they've made.

[mortal brook]

I'm gonna treat it like a Diablo season

accomplished all goals? great, not gonna push

[sick sentinel]

I will level

eventually

that's about it

[ionic fern]

Leveling for months after school while mom yells at me from the other room to study and watching drakedog videos to get hyped for endgame pvp. Good times.

[mortal brook]

fishing for 3x the cast time, no fish

thus is life

[trim bay]

Sounds like hell

[strong forum]

I will only play classic when there's nothing to do for the week on retail

[mortal brook]

if s3 m+ +10 ilvl is 420 going live, i'm gonna have a lot more free time not spamming dungeons

[little sand]

Heya, just a quick question, I was thinking of the siphoning enchant. what are your thoughts and feelings about this enchant for prot warriors? I like quick navigation, but anyone tried this enchant out?

[sick sentinel]

siphoning is big bad

[little sand]

why?

[sick sentinel]

because healing 2,5% of your damage done doesn't heal you more than a health pot in a whole avatar

you get he majority of the healing during avatar

which is your most durable period of time

[mortal brook]

quick nav pays off better in offense, cd scaling and rage gen

[sick sentinel]

and a good uptime on a 50-200 haste buff and a 600 haste proc is worth a lot more than a 2,5% leech

leech is not a good stat and it is worth very little

any other enchant is the game is a lot more valuable than siphoning

[little sand]

is siphoning good for any tanks?

[sick sentinel]

siphoning is the worst enchant in the game

for every single spec

in the game

it is a meme

[mortal brook]

secondaries enchant pay off better

[autumn pendant]

No u

[sick sentinel]

siphoning is only used by people that have no idea how to gear a character

and everyone who used to use it is slowly starting to go back to quick nav

[timid jay]

LEEECH

[mortal brook]

met a bdk with siphoning on his weapon in LFR :arthsad:

[ionic fern]

Say NO to Siphoning kids. Stay safe.

[livid totem]

@chilly brook I think you vastly overestimate the social aspect of the game. Especially now that people are too used to get everything pretty quickly. Nowadays, kids will group and say hello and goodbye only for the sole purpose of gearing their own characters and disregarding everything.
And if Classic is exactly like I've played in Vanilla with the gear being way slower to obtain, then you can be sure the community won't stay that long.
But obviously, that's only my opinion.

[chilly brook]

Except that’s part of the point

[livid totem]

I truly don't have high hope (if any) for Classic. Especially when Blizzard isn't what it used to be. And even more true since Blizzard is owned by Activision (remember Diablo phone's game ? LOL what a fiasco)

[chilly brook]

The fact that it requires more time and effort feeds into the number one point

And no you should never underestimate the social aspect of an mmorpg, the social aspect is literally what makes the game

[livid totem]

if it require more efforts, then they'll simply quit

[chilly brook]

That’s not even true

[livid totem]

especially if they could play retail

[oblique garnet]

Activision has owned blizzard for a long time

[chilly brook]

Fortnite for example takes loads of effort in the amount of time to get all the battlepass items

[livid totem]

Yep and it's been downhill since then

(activision that is)

[chilly brook]

And it’s one of the most popular games for people “nowadays”

[oblique garnet]

WoW has always been up and down

Its because the genre is what it is

You cant please everyone

[chilly brook]

The point is whether or not people will find the effort put in being worth the rewards

And that can be an entirely different question in and of itself

[livid totem]

Either way, I don't really understand why Blizzard is making that move

[chilly brook]

But just because things in classic require more effort in terms of time investment doesn’t mean it can’t appeal to the “fortnite generation”

[livid totem]

They want to split the comunity in half ?

[oblique garnet]

Getting old school gamers back into the game?

To get more money?

[chilly brook]

Neither did games media yet it boosted WoW to the top of twitch

[oblique garnet]

It makes perfect sense in business standpoint

Why create something new when you can recycle something old and get alot of money?

[chilly brook]

Literally releasing old content for new money

[livid totem]

The old school gamers are already too old to play WoW, they mostly have Life, and if they play classic, you can be sure they won't have time to play it

[chilly brook]

Wut

Dude

You

[wooden radish]

@ionic fern 👋

[chilly brook]

Wat

That’s why people played WoW in vanilla

[livid totem]

At most they'll play only 1 month or 2 and then quit

[chilly brook]

Because it wasn’t hardcore

Compared to shit like EQ

You realize classic WoW was a very casual centric game right?

[ionic fern]

@wooden radish 👏

👋

[livid totem]

They weren't many players in EQ to begin with (except if you talk about the asia's community)

[chilly brook]

🤔

[livid totem]

Vanilla been wayyy simpler than EQ

but either way, I don't understand your point ? It's still take a lot of time in order to have a meaningful experience

[chilly brook]

No it doesn’t

Because everything you do in classic is meaningful and working towards that end goal

[wooden radish]

@ionic fern merek used a double negative about dragon roar. does that make it better than unstoppable force? i'll hang up and listen.

[oblique garnet]

@wooden radish get out

[trim bay]

Putting in effort for my neck to hit 50 has taken any and all effort I have

[wooden radish]

@oblique garnet 😘

[livid totem]

Well, I hope you're right, or I hope not because that would make less subscribers than it already has

[chilly brook]

Spend an hour in game, get a level boom you got a skill point

[oblique garnet]

@livid totem the catch is that you buy sub to retail and you get one for classic you dont have to pay for 2 subs

[chilly brook]

I mean in general if you don’t want to play classic don’t

But it doesn’t hurt

[livid totem]

that will mean the player will have to choose between BfA and Classic

[chilly brook]

And if you looked into why the classic community has wanted to game I think you’d actually find that it’s very simple why they want it

And no it doesn’t

[ionic fern]

I believe this is the case where the double negative intensifies the negative clause in the sentence @wooden radish

[livid totem]

when it's already hard to find a group

[chilly brook]

Because a sub gets you both

[strong forum]

Just watch venrukis video on him saying how he was wrong about classic, actually makes alot of sense and is relatable to me

[livid totem]

...

I don't think you get what I mean

[oblique garnet]

Classics release will most likely come when bfa hits content draught

[chilly brook]

And when you can’t do stuff in one version and want to keep playing the game then swap to the other

Ez

[oblique garnet]

Where its at a point where you can just raid log

[livid totem]

tha'ts the thing

[strong forum]

Well it'll release on August 27th which is mid raid ( for normal guilds)

[ionic fern]

It's going to be as any other release...everyone will play it for various reasons and then the playerbase will drop.

[chilly brook]

https://youtu.be/-k5K4a-teWo

@livid totem

[livid totem]

look : oh there's a friend telling me to come to classic in order to play the dungeon Black Fathom Deep

[strong forum]

That video is really good

Lowkey

[livid totem]

and at the same time I have another friend who wants to play a +15

[chilly brook]

It is

[livid totem]

what should I do ?

[timid jay]

Bfd sucks

[chilly brook]

Do the one you want to do?

[timid jay]

Sunken temple is where it's at

[undone sun]

@timid jay no u

[oblique garnet]

And as soon as people are done with classics gearing and raid where its raid log time on classic bfa gets content update

[livid totem]

Don't you see what I mean there ?

[chilly brook]

I get friends that ask me to play different games all the same time you either say yes or you say no

[livid totem]

that you have to choose between the 2

[timid jay]

@undone sun you like bfd?

[undone sun]

fuck no

[chilly brook]

No because that’s not really a problem

[timid jay]

I have traumatic memories of healers not making the jumps there

[livid totem]

jesus

[strong forum]

I was also on the train that classics gonna suck cuz it's slow and bla, but venruki makes some amazing points if forgot about how old school wow was

[livid totem]

How can you be so dense ?

T_T

Look

let's imagine something

You have a game

[wooden radish]

@ionic fern how come you're not a nitro booster for this server? are you not a team player?

[livid totem]

that have multiple mode

like I don't know

Capture the Flag

Or 5v5

[chilly brook]

Dude you could say the same situation for someone asking you to Mythic BFD and another friend asking you to a +15 but they can only play that day so you have to pick

[livid totem]

Or I don't know

[ionic fern]

If i was a team player i would be playing Paladin for the team support.

[chilly brook]

So no it’s not me “being dense”, your point is just stupid

[oblique garnet]

Ok so let me ask you this you have a girl asking you out for a coffee and friend who wants to play something @livid totem what do you do?

You make a choice based on what you want to do

[chilly brook]

^

Ding ding ding

[wooden radish]

@ionic fern

[livid totem]

We're already have wayyyyy too much thing going on with BfA that if they want to split the comunity of WoW in half because of Classic and BfA then this game is doomed from the beginning

[strong forum]

Na

[timid jay]

Hardly going to split the community

[oblique garnet]

Theres literally nothing to do in bfa atleast for me

[strong forum]

There's content for like 10hrs a week per char on bfa

Tops

[livid totem]

You do realize we already have less people than when BfA came out ?

[timid jay]

No one plays retail anyway

[empty inlet]

lol

classic is going to suck dong

[strong forum]

Don't project from you onto others cosmo

[empty inlet]

when people realize there is actually no content

[chilly brook]

“Too much things to do in BFA” I’ve never heard a more hysterical statement

[strong forum]

There's not enough to do in bfa cuz gearing is so fast and ap is shit

[livid totem]

Nomeratur : 10 hours a week is already a LOT for the Average WoW Joe

[strong forum]

That's why you play 5 characters

[livid totem]

I'm not sure you realize how much you play at this game

[oblique garnet]

10 hours a week is a stretch

[chilly brook]

Not even 10 hours at this point

[strong forum]

I play 7hrs in raid

And 3hrs m+

That's it

[oblique garnet]

3-4 hours to clear bod

Weekly m+

[strong forum]

Any other time i wanna play I get another alt going

[oblique garnet]

If you dont have alts it takes like 5 hours to do shit

[strong forum]

Hence why I'm at my 5th alt in 2 month s

[chilly brook]

4 hours for raid (2 hour raid twice a week) 1 hour for a m10 and then what? An hour for world quests? OMEGALUL

[livid totem]

And you think that Vanilla's people now have time to play 10 hours for a simple level up ? I highly doubt it, but hey, I could be wrong.

[chilly brook]

Ten hours for a level

[strong forum]

Well I have 4 hrs a day to play

[chilly brook]

Omegalul

[strong forum]

1 of that I spend gaming

[chilly brook]

Dude you’re missing the point of classic

It’s not a sprint

It’s a marathon

[livid totem]

@strong forum 4 hours a day is already a lot

[strong forum]

Classic is a timesink for players that want to play

4 hrs of free time??

No

[chilly brook]

It’s not about the destination

It’s about the journey

[strong forum]

I play for 1hr a day

Not 4

[ionic fern]

People expect different things..for me it's about the destination..i hate leveling.

[strong forum]

Cuz there's nothing to do in bfa

[heavy vault]

caring only about the destination gave us wow in its current state

[oblique garnet]

Yeah and if you have more time on your hand you are running out of things to do on every single class in the game

In bfa

[ionic fern]

I legit got nothing against WoW in its current state. I take it as a game and enjoy it..stop overthinking it.

[livid totem]

You're acting exactly like a die hard sc1's fan I used to have @chilly brook trying to find many silly reasons to justify why Classic will be good. I do truly hope you'll get what you desire. Thing is, I'm pretty sure it'll be a big failure.

To each their own I guess.

[strong forum]

Well I also think classic will fail

And die very quickly

Cuz endgame is shit

[oblique garnet]

Youre saying it will be a failure because people dont have time

[ionic fern]

It's a game..let people enjoy what they want. 🤷

[chilly brook]

It’s not silly reasons...

It’s literal human psychology

Wadu hek

[strong forum]

There's nothing to race for in classic

So time doesn't matter

I would only want to race to 60 to btfo elitists

[heavy vault]

If they dont update it ever it prob will die off eventually. ngl

[strong forum]

And stomp noobs

That say vanilla is the best shit ever

[chilly brook]

I can spend 30 minutes a day working on a list of things that will take me a month to complete at the rate that I am able to dedicate time to it at, as I continue to knock things off that list I will feel more and more accomplished

It’s literal

Human

Psychology

[livid totem]

You sounds like an overachiever kind of guy 😂

[chilly brook]

Wut

[strong forum]

Me?

Or griff

[chilly brook]

Dude I don’t even get my +10 done most of the time because I can’t be bothered

[livid totem]

No @chilly brook

[strong forum]

I'm proud to say I've never skipped a weekly chest on my main

Since launch

[oblique garnet]

I hate the grind in wow but i do it anyways because im bored 🤷

[chilly brook]

Like you’re just skipping to ad hominem because you don’t have anything to base an argument on other than a bias

[mortal brook]

once i hit 420, heart 50 and capped all my reputations, i just cant be bothered

[livid totem]

yeah a bias that I'm pretty sure I'm not alone

far from it actually

but hey

[chilly brook]

You literally have a bias against classic and it’s clear in how you’ve talked about it this whole time

[oblique garnet]

@mortal brook thats when you log in hop few laps around great seal and repeat few times a day

[mortal brook]

i can't chill in hubs man. havent since TBC

gotta go fast!

[livid totem]

Because I have very strong reason to believe that this is a blizzard's move to make people coming for the WoW game in order to justify the failure they did with BfA

[strong forum]

Tfw I run like 50 circles in bearanus

[timid jay]

So?

The reason why doesn't really matter

[strong forum]

Nothing wrong with it

[livid totem]

I just wish instaed of making Classic, they did something more fun for BfA

[strong forum]

It's been a trend since mop that you have a good and then a bad expansion

[timid jay]

As long as they provide a good vanilla experience I don't care if they reason is aultruism or wanting to swim in more money

[chilly brook]

And in the topic of SC1 vs SC2, SC1 was a better RTS

[livid totem]

but no, they want to make it more simple than it already is

[chilly brook]

The classic team isn’t even the BFA team

[livid totem]

That's only because of Nostalgia

[chilly brook]

My guy come on

[strong forum]

Just watch bellular vid, he explained it amazingly too

[chilly brook]

^

[mortal brook]

hell, the ptr team isn't the class balancing team ^^

[strong forum]

Current wow is theme park MMO

Vanilla was rpg

That's it

[livid totem]

Sc2 is better in every aspect except its balance and the design of the units

[timid jay]

So

The RTS part

[chilly brook]

Yo dude you keep talking about Nostalgia

What about Venruki

A guy who has no nostalgia for vanilla

[oblique garnet]

I didnt play during vanilla

[livid totem]

who is that ? >_<

[chilly brook]

Because he didn’t play it

[lime mantle]

I see no reason to not make legacy servers other than blizzards rampant autism and “I MADE THIS SO ITS GOOD REEEEEEEEEE”.
Also I think BfA is a new wod. I doubt we’ll get .3 or .4

[chilly brook]

The guy I literally linked the video to you for

[timid jay]

Same about the wod part

[livid totem]

Oh.

[strong forum]

He explains it perfectly

Too*

[timid jay]

Except wod had good class design and fucking amazing raids

[livid totem]

is there subtitles ?

[timid jay]

Just nothing else to do

[livid totem]

(I'm deaf)

[oblique garnet]

Bfa raids arent too bad

[chilly brook]

Probably Idk

[strong forum]

Uuuh..

That's unlucky

[lime mantle]

Also preach, who played and explains why he likes classic even addressing its flaws.
And he’s never been a huge classic dude either.

[timid jay]

I only played the first one, felt p bad to me

[oblique garnet]

Well uldir was mediocre

[timid jay]

Guess class design coloured it in a bad light for me

[oblique garnet]

Yeah didnt help that playing prot didnt feel good to play

[lime mantle]

@timid jay dude what if we gut classes for one xpac gimmick and then forget hahaha what if we put spells that have been ogcd for years on the gcd hahaha dude what about pvp gotta get those 3 viewers man!

[timid jay]

haHAA

Fucking joke what they did to specs in bfa

[mortal brook]

also source that starcraft1 was more balanced than sc2 pls

[full spruce]

Good ol classic days. Was fun but I’m over it.

[chilly brook]

Preach was also another “I don’t think I’ll play it much” and then now he’s all over it

[timid jay]

Most specs were designed around the artifacts, let's just remove them

XDDDD

[lime mantle]

And legos

Haha isn’t that funny

[oblique garnet]

@timid jay let me ask you this did you like early stage of legion?

[timid jay]

I did, outside of the massive legiondary rng

[lime mantle]

^^^

[timid jay]

You got some pretty impactful traits early on

[full spruce]

^^

[timid jay]

The artifact gear you got early in bfa I didn't even notice

[lime mantle]

Legendaries are a good idea implemented in a blizzard (read full retard) way.

[timid jay]

Oh wow, I block for slightly more

Oh my TC hits a bit harder

[livid totem]

@mortal brook I would like to say, mapmakers did a hell of a job to make the game balanced than blizz's doings

[oblique garnet]

You liked when blizzard tuned your specs mid raid to make one obsolete and you had to grind ap for the other specs

Fun times 8)

[timid jay]

Well I was never a hardcore raider

[lime mantle]

@oblique garnet was very fun!
I left the game :^}

[mortal brook]

you're right there. cannon rushing in BW and WoL was a lot less effort than it is now 😄

[oblique garnet]

@lime mantle i did the same

[lime mantle]

Legion was apex blizzard

One step forward

60 backflips back

[timid jay]

I certainly enjoyed legion way more than bfa

Had it's rough patches at the start not gonna deny that

[mortal brook]

that said, sc2 is incredibly balanced even in favored matchups by map. and sure, mapmakers are a large part of that, but youll see blizzard fixing maps into the season, hotfixing any racially favored imbalances

[timid jay]

But it's way better than bfa was imho

[livid totem]

Venruki it's like he never experienced the true addiction of WoW x)

[oblique garnet]

It was enough to push me off the game

[exotic spoke]

Wotlk best expac

[oblique garnet]

The early stages of legion was just too much for me

[timid jay]

Unlucky it was a good expansion

[livid totem]

@mortal brook I blame blizz though for being very late to implement the lurkers

Like, they should've put it in HotS and be done with that LotV sh.t

[mortal brook]

but things like a separate lurker den were net positive for balance

[livid totem]

but no, we had to deal with the M&M with banes for 6 f.cking years

[oblique garnet]

It didnt help that after i took one week vacation my guild died

[mortal brook]

they're always considering the balance at several levels of play

and all in all, still pretty balanced

[livid totem]

yep

[timid jay]

Oof

[livid totem]

But that didn't make me want to continue though

[mortal brook]

as much as terrans will whine about it ^.~

[timid jay]

But yeah you were hardcore raiding then right @oblique garnet ?

[chilly brook]

Glad that we’ve moved onto SC instead of “anyone who wants classic is wrong”

[mortal brook]

blessed be your forge @chilly brook . great be thine cannons in your opponents main

[chilly brook]

nuclear launch detected

[exotic spoke]

I don’t want classic - but I want it to succeed

[livid totem]

I don't know that venruki guy though. It's almost like he got paid by Activision to change his opinions 😂

[oblique garnet]

I mean kinda yeah i was rl back then but i didnt think me taking one week vacation would just break everyone over because they failed to clear en xD

[timid jay]

woow

Failing to clear EN

[chilly brook]

OMEGALUL

[oblique garnet]

I know

[mortal brook]

that place had a skip and everything

[chilly brook]

Venruki paid by Activision topkek

[timid jay]

But yeah for the hardcore raiders doing that MoS farm for ap seemed like a chorce

And with the legendary bugs early on

[exotic spoke]

So true

[timid jay]

That kinda sucked

[full spruce]

Venruki overhype streamer is all

[exotic spoke]

Maw was fun though. I liked it

[chilly brook]

Next thing I know he’s gonna say Asmon is a blizzard employee that’s secretly just been being paid to make hype for classic so people would want it and give them more sub money to try it or come back

[timid jay]

I still enjoyed the expansion, NH fixed a lot of stuff

[mortal brook]

you get some glorious affix weeks tho, pull the entire fuckin cliff with the boss, then pull the entire fuckin boat with 2nd boss. soooo fun

[oblique garnet]

I got bis legendaries on the first 2 that wasnt the issue

[exotic spoke]

Hated NH though

[timid jay]

Yeah MoS was my favorite dungeon in that expansion

[oblique garnet]

It was just the constant shitshow of having to grind ap for multiple specs

[mortal brook]

be nice to have a shorter dungeon.

[full spruce]

Court of Stars my fav

[mortal brook]

like CoS

[timid jay]

CoS had some cool concepts tbh

[exotic spoke]

Between how prevalent magic damage was and attendance issues I was like ugh

[timid jay]

Too bad they didn't expand on it

[mortal brook]

imagine an MDI with court in it. actually having racial diversity other than nelves

[full spruce]

The breakdown of kara was great too. That was my favorite time outside of grinding r14 and raiding being a no life 20yr old

[timid jay]

@oblique garnet I hear you, they did learn their lessons with AP though

[livid totem]

@chilly brook The fact that you say omegaLUL or topkek like a kid means I can't really take you seriously anymore. Maybe you should drop that meme ?

[timid jay]

Was a lot easier later on

[full spruce]

Favorite time of BC that is

[mortal brook]

kara was fun. idk about mechagon

[ionic fern]

@mortal brook racial diversity..everyone was BE back then.

[timid jay]

Gotta get that aoe silence

[mortal brook]

well look at you mr fancy horde

[livid totem]

I think I'm gonna ignore you and hope for the best for you and your classic's game

[chilly brook]

If that’s your bar for whether or not you can take me seriously then my lord

[ionic fern]

I'm alliance..

[timid jay]

Imagine ignoring someone for saying topkek

Filthy alliance scum

[oblique garnet]

Yeah i came back during nh and ended up lasting a month due to not having any friends who played

[mortal brook]

!! filthy alliance scum

[chilly brook]

Sorry you can’t actually read the content of an argument and evaluate the point instead of flipping out over a dumb internet meme

[mortal brook]

wait

[chilly brook]

Imagine

[livid totem]

Well I'm already sooooo over that sh.t in streams

that's like they're seeking for attention

[full spruce]

I like both. Should grind out 5 other alliance tanks for 50 neck too

[timid jay]

You are allowed to swear in here

[chilly brook]

Imagine being triggered over omegalul, pepega and all the other twitch reactions

[livid totem]

doesn't matter

[mortal brook]

heck

@timid jay

[full spruce]

REEEEEEE

[chilly brook]

[oblique garnet]

@mortal brook that kind of language wont be tolerared

[chilly brook]

Do you not like discord reactions either?

[mortal brook]

🗞

[timid jay]

If only @fierce juniper enabled emotes here we could use some pepegas

[ionic fern]

Imagine discussing these kinda things in #protection rather than #off-topic

[timid jay]

Imagine that huh

[chilly brook]

Oof

[mortal brook]

i mean its that or leech memes

[full spruce]

Shut up mwahi alliance scum

[livid totem]

welp, that clearly was off topic. My bad.

[chilly brook]

TBH I’d eat a vacation from this discord for this topic

[final mist]

🤔

[timid jay]

Real fascist regime under Mwahi

Can't even stay off topic anymore

[final mist]

You mean Sal

[timid jay]

Smh

[final mist]

😬

[exotic spoke]

Lol

[oblique garnet]

🚓

[timid jay]

No you were always a fascist when you showed up

[ionic fern]

Sal is the bad guy here. I'm just a friendly reminder.

😂

[final mist]

Either way, don’t be toxic / patronizing and stay on topic

[timid jay]

😡

[undone sun]

🏃 👮

[mortal brook]

we can ask eyir to monitor the channel to make sure none of the things we talk about suck or are offtopic

[final mist]

For clarity, leech memes are not staying on topic

[timid jay]

Eow

[mortal brook]

eyir suck

[oblique garnet]

Can you pin that Sal?

[mortal brook]

eyir sucks

[gilded tendon]

fuk u @mortal brook

[chilly brook]

Eyir sucks

[gilded tendon]

fuk u @chilly brook

[mortal brook]

ahah

[timid jay]

Are you directing flak towards me now @final mist

[mortal brook]

^^

[chilly brook]

Lmao Steve

[undone sun]

hmmm

[timid jay]

I thought you were better than that

[mortal brook]

thank goodness thyme is here

[oblique garnet]

Thank you Sal 😗

[ionic fern]

A NON MAROK PIN;!!!

[final mist]

If emotes were enabled Cosmo, I’d be using my sip emote rn

[undone sun]

inb4 pin is purged because it makes too much sense

[timid jay]

Can you changes names still?

[final mist]

I can

[timid jay]

Or did that get purged when you lost admin

[undone sun]

oof

[final mist]

Oof

[timid jay]

Change my name to siphon is bis

[chilly brook]

anyways now that this topic is over time to sleep

[timid jay]

Or else 😡

[ionic fern]

@timid jay no u

[final mist]

YouHaveNoPowerHere.gif

[timid jay]

No u x2

[undone sun]

[ionic fern]

Can't beat that..:(

[timid jay]

Dont feel too powerful

[mortal brook]

https://tenor.com/view/uno-reverse-allcolor-reverse-card-gif-13843660

[timid jay]

I'll get blue helmet in here

[full spruce]

Infinity stacks of infinity stacks?

[timid jay]

Blue helmet will save us

[final mist]

Red helmet > all

[timid jay]

Red helmet is evil

[livid totem]

did that Venruki ever played Vanilla at all ?

[oblique garnet]

No

[timid jay]

Green helmet is truly the worst timeline

No emotes

[livid totem]

(sorry for the offtopic)

[oblique garnet]

I mean Sal how long did you go back to check if we have stayed on offtopic? Im guessing were at 3-4 hours now

[final mist]

A little off-topic now and then is fine.

[livid totem]

Alright i'm gonna stop here

[exotic spoke]

More of the attacks on one another and off topic being an issue?

[timid jay]

Nono

[final mist]

It’s not so bad when there’s content droughts and nothing to really talk about, don’t mind it so much as long as you guys help people when they ask.

[full spruce]

When in doubt blame Kaege

[sick sentinel]

Sal is fun police

[final mist]

But yeah, attacks and shit is never okay.

[timid jay]

More personal attacks and less offer topic talk

[heavy vault]

at least u guys talk about wow. the other class discos im in only talk about other stuff lmao

[mortal brook]

🚓

[timid jay]

Right

[exotic spoke]

Kaege - change away from anime profile please.

[timid jay]

No anime allowed

[final mist]

What’s wrong with anime profile pictures?

[sick sentinel]

@exotic spoke she will be mad if I do

[exotic spoke]

For you sal nothing. For kaege I can’t take him seriously

[oblique garnet]

On the topic of changing things back on track, With the incoming essences prots apm will increase approximately by 10-15 any thoughts ?

[timid jay]

How high will the apm reach?

Roughly

[oblique garnet]

80-85 ish

[covert cypress]

nO aNimE alLoWeD

[timid jay]

That's actually pretty high

[exotic spoke]

Good imo late.

[oblique garnet]

with some combinations leading to even higher ones

[heavy vault]

good. more activity is better

[sick sentinel]

100 apm prot again ?

[timid jay]

Now bring back heroic strike to make us all get RSI

[ionic fern]

The faster the better.

[exotic spoke]

Perfection, pearl, sphere let’s go boys

[autumn pendant]

Your keyboard breaks sooner than your shield

With that apm

[final mist]

Too bad it doesn’t effect me, I’m a warlock now.

[autumn pendant]

Wow

[exotic spoke]

My shield is indestructible now

[ionic fern]

Using keyboard for binds..what is this.

[mortal brook]

devastator gonna pull ahead or nah?

[oblique garnet]

Now heres the catch, we will most likely end up capping ip more often to prevent overcapping on rage

[timid jay]

@final mist stay on topic

Only warriors allowed

😡

[final mist]

@timid jay 🔨

[full spruce]

Good ol end of legion rage dumping

[ionic fern]

I got you @timid jay don't worry about Sal.

He can't even kick the bots.

#Norealpower

[final mist]

Marok gets mad, even though they’re never online

Ffs

[ionic fern]

😂

[mortal brook]

Sal cant boot out eyir? that sucks.

[gilded tendon]

fuk u @mortal brook

[mortal brook]

^^

[exotic spoke]

AM needs to go at end of bfa. Yeah it works but it is severely limiting design

[timid jay]

Make it baseline

[final mist]

She’s only ever online when someone says she sucks, other than that well

[timid jay]

Solved

[final mist]

Eyir sucks

[gilded tendon]

fuk u @final mist

[ionic fern]

Interactive AI.

[exotic spoke]

Cosmo that doesn’t solve anything lol

[timid jay]

How doesn't it

[ionic fern]

I love you Eyir

[final mist]

The spec needs to be designed to work at a base level, and have talents interact with it

[mortal brook]

confirmed, eyir stormforged waifu

[exotic spoke]

The issue is that we’re approaching 100% uptime of avatar and demo shout

[final mist]

Not talents fixing the spec’s problem

[exotic spoke]

^^

[oblique garnet]

I really tried to stay on topic but i cant do much when the mods join and take it offtopic

[final mist]

AM needs to be baseline, a few other things need to be baseline

[exotic spoke]

And there is so much synergy - too much so - around that talent

[final mist]

Things need to be changed

[final python]

Hey guys, looking to start a prot warrior, what is the best race to go dps wise?

[final mist]

Mastery needs to go

Et

[mortal brook]

bring back multistrike!

[exotic spoke]

Play what you think looks cool

[mortal brook]

and Ursa Major!

[ionic fern]

Jep..the racial effects are minimal @final python

[winter aspen]

LF draenei has huge aoe ability

[timid jay]

Bring back defense, parry, Dodge, block rating and block value 😡

[final python]

I know they are minimal, but there is one that is slightly better

[dry whale]

What is ip cap? Or does it change depending on stats

[final python]

I just don’t know what it is

[heavy vault]

You won't notice

[exotic spoke]

I’ve been human, goblin, dwarf, gnome, space goat; dark iron. They all have niche little things that are good

[timid jay]

@dry whale unless it has changed it should be 1.3 IP casts

My info is slightly outdated though

[undone sun]

correct

[ionic fern]

Look at LFD/UD then @final python

[full spruce]

@final python get out of here dirty bear

[dry whale]

Ty

[oblique garnet]

only situation where you will actually notice is when people are raiding and from logs you see lf draeneis having this big ass nuke that can crit like 100k or smth

[undone sun]

it does change on stats, but 1.3 accounts for that

[final python]

Woah, rude dan

[mortal brook]

https://bloodmallet.com/index.html#warrior_protection?data_view=races damage differentials are almost non-existent. there's plenty of racials that are high quality of life, like from goblin, dwarf, etc.

[timid jay]

Increases with attack power for reference

[full spruce]

😋

[timid jay]

Fuck, we are on topic again

Cya when we get off the rails

[undone sun]

shit

[oblique garnet]

@timid jay Give it like 2 minutes

[mortal brook]

there's no shame in picking the race with the most appealing ass

[timid jay]

This tbh

[exotic spoke]

Lol

[mortal brook]

and the answer is kul-tiran

[final python]

That’s what I was looking for, I knew there was one of those charts for bear, didn’t know about prot warrior

[full spruce]

Female orc for thicc

[final mist]

Racials don’t actually matter in the big scheme of things. If you’re looking to push your DPS, and this is gonna sound toxic, but the best advice is to just

Play better

[final python]

(I’m a try hard bear Main 😜)

[final mist]

Or get better RNG on procs

[oblique garnet]

oh you should stick to bear they are better in aoe after the nerfs to prot btw

(No meme)

[timid jay]

Is the best ass a #transmog discussion or not

[undone sun]

[final python]

I know, prot is the only tank I don’t have at 110 at least

[final mist]

That’s actually #off-topic cosmo.

[full spruce]

@oblique garnet you don’t have to cotank with him. He’s a dps parse whore; pretty good though

[final python]

Pretty good? 🙃

[oblique garnet]

Dps parse whore
Bear main
Well ok then

[mortal brook]

easier to 99% when its an endangered species

[timid jay]

But finding the best pants to make it good would be #transmog then I guess

[oblique garnet]

great thing about prot is that you dont actually take increased damage when youre getting those 99s

[mortal brook]

get the good specs where you dont have to choose; your survival rotation is your best dps rotation. prot war and bdk life

[final python]

Eh, if you catweave correctly it’s not that dangerous 😝

[timid jay]

Bearcatting

[mortal brook]

pressing maul :wutface:

:sadbear:

[empty inlet]

keys closed next week 😠

[final python]

#bringbackrots

[exotic spoke]

The old John Madden feral dps flow charts

[oblique garnet]

@empty inlet Wdym?

[empty inlet]

warrior nerf next week keys closed

not going to beat your current score 😠

[exotic spoke]

??

[oblique garnet]

??? is patch coming next week

[timid jay]

Reset prob happened on us?

[mortal brook]

this maintenence may be the pre-download. cant imagine it launching NOT to overlap Shadowbringers tho

[timid jay]

Idk

[empty inlet]

after next reset

not this one

[undone sun]

i would definitely be on it being soon, rumor is it gets announced on the Q&A

[oblique garnet]

Oh yeah today is tuesday 🤔

[undone sun]

making it ~2-4 weeks till patch +2 more for raid

[mortal brook]

when's the QnA

[empty inlet]

so this is last week for m+

[undone sun]

thurs

iirc

[empty inlet]

:agnry:

[timid jay]

Tomorrow is Wednesday @oblique garnet

[empty inlet]

😠

[timid jay]

Keeping you up to speed here

[exotic spoke]

Eh, I’m optimistic.

[empty inlet]

last week to get your 28 toldagor boys

[timid jay]

Also I keep thinking you're lala

[undone sun]

i'd still say ~2 weeks till

[timid jay]

Confusing

[exotic spoke]

But I’m not doing keys that high

[final mist]

There’s no way it doesn’t overlap in some for with Shadowbringers

[strong forum]

Id say its 3-6 weeks

[final mist]

Blizz scared of the good games now

[oblique garnet]

His timeline actually makes sense since blizzard said new season would start 2 weeks after patch

[strong forum]

What is shadowbringers lemme google

[undone sun]

FF14

[strong forum]

Kek

Cba

[final mist]

FF expansion

[exotic spoke]

Meh

[undone sun]

they usually come out together

patches for ff14 and wow

[timid jay]

Remember when they placed expansions to siphon(best enchant btw) players away from other MMO's

[strong forum]

🤔

[exotic spoke]

Only mmo I’ve played is wow

[oblique garnet]

These two weeks would be the offseason week and then we get fort quaking bursting on heroic week

[final mist]

You’re missing out tbh

@fierce juniper when are we making a FF Warrior channel / discord

[strong forum]

I've played many mmos, and all suck so much, they have 0 flow

[timid jay]

are you even called warrior at high level

[strong forum]

Bdo is the 2nd best but it has no endgame

[empty inlet]

sanguin grevious is good though Pepehands

[timid jay]

or what is the base spec

[final mist]

Yeah, Warrior is the job’s name

Start as Marauder

[timid jay]

oh right

[exotic spoke]

Sal, I decided after I saw what I did in vanilla - cata that I couldn’t play a second mmo.

[final mist]

You’re missing out, FF is like

Entirely better than WoW rn

[timid jay]

outside of leveling

[final mist]

Which admittedly isn’t a hard or high bar but

[timid jay]

fuck the leveling

[undone sun]

not exactly the gold standard anymore

[oblique garnet]

@empty inlet Im not saying that those arent good weeks those are just when the patch comes but the new season isnt there yet

[exotic spoke]

In terms of time played / mistakes made.

Sunk cost fallacy as well as I honestly didn’t want to come back in legion at first but I was enticed

[final mist]

I didn’t mind the leveling, it’s a fun experience for me

[mortal brook]

I'd imagine itll line with Shadowbringer's early access on the 25th, or Shadowbringers launch on the 2nd, just to overlap. wouldnt be the first time they've done a release like that

[timid jay]

MSQ in the base game

damn its bad imo

[final mist]

Best part of FF for me is that can do everything on my one character, I don’t have to have alts for every class

[timid jay]

that part is amazing

[exotic spoke]

How much of a grind is it? Like rate it in terms of wow expansions?

I just don’t have alts - problem solved!

[mortal brook]

think mid TBC. characters weren't a pain to level but it took a chunk of /played to do it

[exotic spoke]

Yeah, I don’t have time for that

[final mist]

It’s not even that bad anymore

[oblique garnet]

@exotic spoke Im actually afraid to check my total time played across all my characters 😄

[exotic spoke]

@oblique garnet I’m close to 600 on my warrior

[oblique garnet]

this expansion alone

[mortal brook]

What i want is vanilla SWTOR level storytelling and gameplay. but with endgame that actually exists

[final mist]

Your first is probably going to take a bit of time since you don’t have the extra boost from having a max, but with Road to 60, it should only take you a few days

I can level a class now from 1-70 in about a week playing 2-4 hours a day

[exotic spoke]

About 250 if those days came from vanilla

The pvp grind was real

[mortal brook]

250 days, 3 raid loot drops

I was a buffadin tho so i was pretty far behind on the waitlist ^^

[exotic spoke]

It was more the waiting in queue for 30 minutes to play for 10. Afk doing other shit while waiting

In the main pvp group. And usually flag bitch since I had tank gear from progression raiding

But, if the other team afked out out Druid ran it